Thank you so much! I love my channel and feel that I owe it to viewers to give my true and honest opinions. When I review anything, I always tell folks that you get the fleas with the dog so to speak. Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
Greetings from SJC! After much waiting, I finally got my camo green Byrna starter kit and overall I'm pretty satisfied. The only major drawbacks are the co2 cartridge allen key set up (there has to be a better way) and the fact that pepper balls are not available in California and are considered 'illegal'. Great video head to head comparison, subbed!
Absolutely! I sent a suggestion to add some sort of protrusion on the end to be able to remove and re secure that with your fingers. I've been told that something along those lines is in the works. We shall see ;) Thanks for watching!
Yes find an engineering firm to weld a little piece of metal at the end ,so your fingers can turn the cap. Byrna has made a 12G adaptor and cartridge available from June 2021, Shoot in the face with solids then hit attacker with launcher ,breaknose etc, learn som KragMaga etc...The leaslethal is a cheating way to blind,distract attacker to give you time to hot them in the face,throat,neck for a quick takedown. When they are down reload and empty a mag of solids in the mouth down the throat...Lol
VERY, VERY, VERY COOL demonstration! No 'Ums', 'Uhs' or wasted time (or annoying background music)...great video and to the point. Pros/cons well explained and the true capabilities of both launchers. BTW, you should wear some kind of eye protection...those projectiles were bouncing!
As with everything I buy, I researched the living daylights out of these. Here's what I found. 1) The Byrna guns are 'twitchy' and not as reliable as some others. 2) The price of these Byrna, SALT and others are all around three to four hundred dollars with the exception of one. *The Umarex T4E P2P HDP .50 Pepper CO2 Gun which comes with 10 Pepper powder and 10 Rubber Ball rounds is under one hundred dollars, and I've not had a single failure unless the co2 tank is nearly exhausted.* (plus the Umarex holds six rounds rather than five and uses standard 12 gram co2 bottles rather than these dinky 8 gram)
Absolutely!!! I have two more to test against them as well. Next video is a nasty contender but still on the upper end of the price scale. We shall see. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
The umarex is nice, especially if you get the first strike .50 cal empty fsr shells for pepper round. But the first strike fsc is the most reliable and realistic one so far and it shoots hard hitting. 68 rounds. Of course If you get the drum round from g3d paintball or adn paintball and add that to your tipx, then you have the option of shooting fsc 30-50 rounds and you'll never have to reload in a situation where there's danger plus reloading with the g3d is extremely easy
I have the Byrna with the 12 oz capacity booster installed on the end called a Boost Adaptor but after reading your post I purchased your Umarex and also a similar Scorpion by Lancer Tactical. Both are similar but dissimilar. I've not had any problems with the Byrna or any that you stated but as you stated, the Umarex is under $100 as is the Scorpion by Lancer and I have no problems with any of 'em. I'm just into firearms and collecting, even though these are technically not firearms but rather 'launchers'. I just love 'semantics' and what can be done with it. lol Anyway, I have these three launchers as well as ones by Pepperball, which is a beast and other lesser names. I even have a Kimber pepper sprayer pistol and holster. I only use one of the pepper 'pistols' if I am some place that restricts firearms and then I use a pepper pistol and a Taser, which are technically not firearms, or shock devices, so I'm over-covered with the defensive 'weaponries', but better that than under or none at all, right mates.
@@roryswan9083 Hi Rory. I don't have the Scorpion holster. That's the leather holster from Tactical Scorpion Gear that the SD fits in to and I ordered the cloth, nylon, denim or whatever the fabric is direct from Byrna and here's the catch. I buy things because I take anything that I'm interested in to their limits and have to go though the entire system getting stuff I don't really need because I guess that would be because I'm ocd that way??? lol Anyway, I made up the excuse that I would carry the Byrna in places where CC is not allowed, but I usually avoid places where it's not except my local post office whose postmaster gave me permission because we know each other for a long, long time, and they carry that authority because Congress said it's ok but it's the postmaster general in Washington that has said no and so the laws state the local postmasters can give special permissions. But where I was going with this is that because of this, I've not had the opportunity, chance or maybe, my own self-inflicted restrictions to carry it so I have no experience to share with you. I wish I'd known about the Scorpion when I purchased mine from Byrna because they first told me they had no holsters for their units, then a year later I saw they did, then they gave me problems ordering it because they don't like shipping to post offices until I showed them how much business they were losing by not shipping to them and explained how they like many other US businesses don't understand the new PO shipping policies and how much safer they are than leaving packages outside on front steps just ripe for stealing. In any case, I smartened them up and then had an issue with the sale price and on and on it went. I've talked with the Inventor and owner of Byrna on several occasions regarding that and other ideas, but as with any business these days, it's a bit rough trying to get through to them. Had I known about the Scorpion at the time, I'd have ordered it instead but thanks to you now, my wallet just might get lighter because you brougjt it back up to my attention and I may order it now. Thanks alot. lol If I do and you still would like a review, I could make a promise to test it and get back to you or rather do a jen psaki move and 'circle back to you' on it. LOL Let me know fellow patriot. lol
@@AlternateArmsSD Burna kept trying to say that only THEIR C02 cartridges would work in their launcher, I should have know that was a bunch of BS 😂😂 smh
@@CeeWorld69 Heh yeah, when I first got one, I thought the same thing. Then I started doing a little bit of research and found out that the 8 g cartridges are the exact same ones they use in seltzer machines. I’ve been using them in mine ever cents for the channel. If you’ve got the extended version of them, you just use the 12 g cartridge. I’m actually pretty glad they didn’t do anything proprietary. That could’ve been catastrophic.
Great review 👍 I agree the Byrna does not like any type of rubber balls. I purchased 5 gram nylon with steel riot balls and my Byrna love them. Plus I learned that you do not want to go too heavy on your rounds because it massively slows down the velocity. 8 and 10 grams are most definitely less effective.
Absolutely! I have a very large head to head video coming up with a couple other launchers as well. Also, I will be adding an FPS meter to my set very shortly. It’s time to get some solid statistics on these :-) Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
@@romeowhiskeyjuliette8711 I initially bought these through riot ball. And again they are totally fantastic. Riot ball does not carry them anymore but I did find and buy some more on Amazon. On Amazon it reads as, Riot Ball 100 count x 0.68 Cal. Paintballs 5 g each PVC steel self-defense less lethal no seem. I bought 100 of these and they are the exact same ones and they are fantastic. Thank God they can be reused. But they are not cheap. The company that they are sold through is named, candler trade LLC and they cost for 100 $69. But to me they are totally worth it. Byrnas kinetic rounds have nothing on these.
Hey. Just wanted to say I luv ur channel. & Your reviews on the launchers are great! I watched the one on the salt supply s2. & I ordered 1 for myself. I got it a few days ago& I love it. It is very powerful. So easy to use. Ty again for all ur great videos. I been watching your channel for a few months now. I hope you keep going for a very long time. Take care& stay safe
Absolutely! These are very effective at under 35 feet (Although in later testing It was very accurate at 70 feet but lacks stopping power at that distance.) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Great video, but using a CO2 cartridge can cause the gun to "freeze up" in cold environments, because when the gun is fired, CO2 gas is very cold, so combined with extremely low outdoor temperatures, the weapon could become unusable. However, simply brandishing a gun will usually scare a perp away.
Greetings! I thought about that as well. What would have the opposite effect. However, considering anyone carrying would not be outdoors for a period of time which would allow the carts to freeze or expand, with the weapon directly exposed to the elements, I can’t see that being an every day issue. Typically, they are on your side from the car to the place you’re going. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I've been trying to decide on what SD Device would work best for myself and my colleagues. I work in the Limo business in Minneapolis. With all these crazy riots and car jackings going on, I need something less lethal to defend myself or clients if a situation arises. We normally carry but there are locations where lethal weapons are prohibited. Such as MSP Airport and other federal properties. A few cops actually mentioned the Byrna and recommended it to me. Thank you for taking the time to create this video.
I completely understand! What initially started me down this path was my business as well. I own a flea market and, if the need ever arises to protect myself, my customers, or my vendors, these are a much better option. I am also testing several other models in the next videos and I've found a couple I was impressed with. Folks have been suggesting different models and brands they would like to see as well. The list is ever growing it would seem. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Good thing about the Salt Supply is, when the CO2 in punctured and you dont use it all, it can stay in the gun for up to a few Months i believe without losing any pressure or doing damage to your gun.
@@flokaineyunggoldmouth1087 Sebra and Mission upcoming in a future video (As well as a few others) .. My goal is to find the most practical and best value in the end. There's a lot of testing to do ;) Thanks!
@@flokaineyunggoldmouth1087 Did you mean Sabre? If you did, there isn't a difference. Salt and Sabre pepper launchers are the Tippmann TiPX made for the home defense market. The difference between the paintball version and the home defense version is the regulator, and I believe, the firing bolt assembly. The home defense version is capable of a much high fps due to the pressure relief valve being tweaked and the bolt assembly having more holes.
You’re going to love it. I have a lot of the Umarex weapons, but my Byrna is still one of my favorite all around pepperball launchers. Stay away from firing the rubber balls, stick to the solid or pepper balls.
I have the Byrna SD and love it. I shoot the solid nylon rounds and have never had a problem. The rounds are very inexpensive on E Bay. I also have the Byrma Boost to use 12 gram Co2 bottles in my Byrma. Both the 8 gram and 12 gram Co2 bottles work good. The 12 gram probably have more firepower and more rounds fired per Co2 cartridge. I could get easy 15 rounds with the 8 gram but I think over 10 rounds were less powerful. Have not tested the 12 gram yet but I would expect an easy 15 round capacity with full firepower. The Byrna is extremely accurate !! Don't break into my home. My Byrna is loaded and I will hurt you. A Co2 cartridge can be kept in the loaded Byrna and will not leak pressure because it does not puncture the Co2 cartridge until the trigger is pulled once. So... the Byrna can always be ready.
Greets!! Yes indeed! Puncturing method is only present in two of the weapons I know of. The byrna and the salt supply. The salt supply is Not exactly a day today carry weapon :-)
Great review but please consider NOT changing the parameters of the test. When you fold the foam for gun #2 then do the same test for gun #1. Better yet, continue testing with increased foam. BUT the SAME for each gun. Love the review !!!
He was using the smaller 8oz CO2 cartridge with the Byrna when Byrna offers an extension to hold the standard 12oz cartridge and the extension from Byrna is mysteriously called a Boost Adaptor. That would have been a more equal comparison.
You are correct. When this video was actually published, they didn’t have the extended version out. However, I don’t think you’re going to get much of a change in feet per second but you certainly will for volume and number of shots.
@@AlternateArmsSD the Boost Adapter adds between 5-10 fps, so it doesn't really add any real speed boost, but it does allow you to get up to 30 shots vs 20 shots out of each cartridge I found. Honestly I didn't find it was worth the extra cost as if you haven't stopped your attacker with the first two clips, extra shots aren't really gonna help much.
One more thing the byrna SD looks just like a real gun. When it’s in the holster there’s no way to tell. And when I brought my Byrna had a sell. I got the regular Byrna SD in the case. But I also got 95 of the others solid balls and a box of 8 CO2 carriages. And the price was 349.00. Great deal keep a lookout they runs special regularly.
That’s an interesting idea. I would wonder about the affect it would have long term on the internal seals and mechanisms on the Byrna. I’ll look into it. Thanks!
Always gotta be one huh :) I think you understand the concept. Besides, on subsequent tests using bearings and other forms of ammo I was able to actually shatter frozen water bottles. I am planning to do something like that on the next head to head video as well. Also, “less lethally accurate” just didn’t feel right! ROFL :) The point is that both are very accurate at their intended range. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Oh man, that was the first time I'd ever seen that camera go into a "heat shutdown" mode :) It recovered nicely though once we came in out of the sun. Thanks for watching!
it may be the front screw where you put the co2 if it's anything like the Tippmann TIPX there is an adjustment in the co2 cap to compensate for variations in co2 length not all co2 are created equal try turning that screw when it happens I'll bet it stops
@@graywolf3456 Oh I guess they're not available until June but u can pre order them on byrna's website byrna.com/products/byrna-boost-12-gram-co2-adapter
That Salt Supply unit looks like you'd be trying to smuggle a sub-machine gun compared to the compactness of the Byrna Launcher. Thanks for the video! Also, the Byrna has an attachment to use the larger C.o.2 cartridges & the new LE has it as their standard model.
Greets! Yeah, the salt supply reminds me of the gun that robocop carries :) Yeah, I have tested several of the Byrna launchers (I carry an extended version from time to time) and I can’t wait to get my hands on the LE. Soon with any luck :)
@@AlternateArmsSD - The LE is what I'm waiting on. I've been researching Less Than / Non-Lethal for about a year now and so far Byrna keeps ending up on the top of my list.
@@danofiremano You can’t go wrong! They’re supposed to be sending me one to test on the channel, but I haven’t seen it yet. As soon as I do, I guarantee it’s going up :-)
I was and am so close to getting the Bryna. It’s on sale, $280 for Black Friday. But I would never buy it for $399. Never. Don’t. It’s blocky. And I think (with no proof) that even if you love it and put it in a special case every night, it’ll break after 3 to 5 years. I could be very wrong. But it’s blocky and doesn’t feel great to me. Personally I don’t see how they could make it a better design unless, they moved the co2 tank to the handle and then put the guns in a track that runs under the barrel. Then, you probably could have a magazine which is huge for reloading, and it would lose some reliability. Again, this is my opinion and I don’t have huge hands. Just regular, medium sized gloves hands. But I own hand guns that are very tailored to people and feel more durable. Steel has that effect. For a concerned person, lives in an area with homeless, road ragers, riots etc. I would say buy one. Immediately. If it makes you feel safe and brings a better quality of life to you. Then $280 is well worth it. Me personally, I would rather use a kimber pepper blaster. As it’s way smaller. Way cheaper. But way less effective. I’m betting my life on, I can fight. I usually have a knife. And I run marathons, so most people aren’t going to just run me down. But, I have a kid. Can’t run that fast with her. So I have a kimber. I’d highly recommend people have something. This is expensive. Get it in sale, sure. But be warned. Larger than you think, blockier than you think.
The Byrna is something else. I’ve had mine for 4 years now and have never had any issues. I alternate between by Walther PPQ and my Byrna almost daily. There is a substantial cost difference for sure! You are correct about the feel. They are not as heavy as any of the other weapons I have tested but they pack a heck of a pinched I’m a big fan of Kimber and I’ve been trying to get a few of their products on the channel for some time. We shall see :) Have a great week!
Question 2 -> would you use the pepperball option indoors? Would the pepper also get in the user's face and disable the defender as well? How would you use this for home self defense?
Greetings! The C02 cart doesn't actually puncture until you pull the trigger. You can leave it loaded and ready indefinitely. I have heard from some sources that the pepperball rounds do have a shelf life of around 6 months although I haven't tested that myself. As far as home defense, from my testing indoors, the powder tends to stick to the object it hits. It will create a small cloud in the immediate area if you fire multiple rounds. Its nowhere near as "messy" as pepper spray. There are many other kinetic options too. You can fire steel core riot balls which will certainly deter any would be attackers (particularly if you hit them in a soft area or the face.) I have several more options coming up as well. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
ROFL!! You have no idea :-). In the future video I pointed out that a user actually mentioned that to me and I felt kind of silly. I actually use it in all of the subsequent videos. In a future head-to-head test I have in mind, it’s going to be particularly important. Stay tuned :-)
I have seen demos where the OC/CS pellet from Bryna completely incapacitates the target. The TCP only somewhat and would not completely stop an aggressor. The Salt S1 OC/CS you fired produced irritated eyes and coughing but you were able to talk and react which would not stop an aggressor. Byrna OC/CS seems to be the most effective. Your thoughts?????
Greetings! From my research to this point, that is exactly what I've found. There are also much more powerful versions of the CS balls that was very nasty and not for retail sale (that I've found yet). The ugly truth is that both weapons have good and bad features and the best version would be a hybrid of both. That being said, I still daily the Byrna. I am looking into some more expense and more powerful version for future videos. We shall see.... Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I'm not sure how it is now, but I read that Tippmann/Mission got their rounds from Byrna. Byrna was based in South Africa and Mission rounds stated "Made In South Africa". Would it be far fetched that Salt stills gets their rounds from Byrna? Nope! Money is money. I also believe that Byrna gets their buttstock kit used on their Mission 4 launcher from Modern Combat Sports, a paintball company that also deals with less lethal contracts also. One of their products is...... pepper rounds.
Great review! Appreciate you taking the time and effort to test both. I totally understand the time it takes compared to what people see in the final video (it's exhausting). Though, it sort of seemed to me that you almost wanted the Byrna to win. I have no dog in the fight so I don't care either way, I'm just trying to decide which one I want more. I'm just wondering if you had more of a stake in the Byrna winning?
I have no stake at all. My entire goal is to show folks exactly what they get in the mix. This is an older video though. Look forward and you’ll see what I mean. Salt supply is the ONLY launcher that I’ve had that has never had a jam firing all types of ammo.
Wow I wasn't expecting such a throughly review because I'm just watching your vid for the 1st time and I see PC components lol.. But great video u answered a lot of questions I had.. My BYRNA XL will be delivered this coming Tuesday and can't wait to try it out with the default 12 Co2 that u can actually convert to HPA with a special adapter but of course for training purposes only due to the fact you'll have a air line coming from the weapon with a tank lol
Thank you so much! Yeah, the boards behind me actually represent about 40 years of IT :-) however, I’m a tech channel and these are definitely cool tech! I actually will have another video coming out shortly with another competitor so to speak. Thank you so much for watching!
You are correct! That foam head was rather spongy and if you notice on that hit, I hit the curvature by the neck causing the round to roll up the head. That added with the fact that were on the second magazine on the same cart. I had several of the rounds actually imbed into that head. I'm trying to located a ballistics dummy head for future tests. I'm truly curious to see what damage 5 solid rounds to the face could do. Have a great night man!
@@AlternateArmsSD yeh that makes sense. I was just about to ask you about using ballistics gel to test with. There’s a website called Clear Ballistics that sells all kinds of that stuff. They’ve got kits with different molds and I believe the heads are around $150. It would be interesting to see them perform against the gel that has the skull and the torso with the rib cage in it. I’ll definitely be looking forward to that video!
Very good video indeed ,although made me think of my recent decision,because to be honest I’ve ordered the salt gun just last week(they are backed up about 4 weeks),but now I’m not sure that i did the right thing.Also wondering if you ever had a chance to contact them regarding that air leak you’ve head,and if it was easy to fix. Thank you and I’m looking forward to hear from you!👍
Greets! Im so sorry for the delayed response. I JUST saw this. Yes indeed, its a pressure "gassing off" valve. Apparently when the Salt Supply "detects" over pressure, its a safety release to let off some pressure. When it stopped. it still fired fine throughout the testing. (It just caught be off guard) I have several other options up and coming soon! Have a great week and welcome to the family!
Greets!! Welcome to the family! I use a Sony CV1 for the main camera with the stock lens. It overheats outside (This is Texas and gets nasty and humid) but never inside (yet). It’s been the best main camera I’ve had to date though. Thanks for watching!
@@bendogie1 Yea indeed, I have them on my website. Www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com Also, I’m working on something in the back for everyone.. stay tuned :)
I have a Byrna and love it so far. Just one thing that happpend to me was that the pepper balls started to brittle and break after a long time loaded in the magazine. When I shoot they burst immediately. So the training balls(hard balls) are always loaded. What would you guys advise on how to approach this.
That’s a very good point that I will address in a future video. The pepper balls can, and will, degrade over time depending on weather exposure. (Humidity, excessive heat, excessive cold, etc) My suggestion, and what I personally do, is a staggered magazine combining solid and pepper balls. The first round chambered is a riot ball. This will shield the pepper balls in the magazine to some degree. Also, I’d suggest changing them, if unused, every 3 months or so. (Depending on your environmental conditions. On a side note, I have found the “pepperball branded” balls to be a but more resilient than the Byrna branded. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Does she attend a college? What are the rules about pepper spray? What state do you live in? You can shoot me an email if you’d like.. there are a few important questions to ask :) jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
It appears they did. I did run into a strange issue where the cartridge blow off activated during charging the salt supply on one cartridge.. But it didn't happen again so I'm not sure what that actually was. As far as the Byrna, I've run about 200 cartridges through it and it hasn't failed yet.. Time will tell. Thanks for watching!
It's an easy fix. There's a screw in the CO2 cap that can be adjusted. It also serves to release all the CO2 in case the canister needs to be removed but is punctured and not empty.
Brother, that is really a point of preference. I have a video coming up that had the heads each pistol by caliber. There’s a couple I haven’t even shown you guys yet that are absolutely amazing. Stay tuned, I’ll give you all of the information you’ll need to make a solid decision :-)
Hey David, if you watch the video to the end, I mentioned that my camera kept overheating outside. That’s why we lost that second shot. However, you get the exact same amount of coverage as far as pepper balls goes as they are both 68 caliber rounds.
@@AlternateArmsSD Will you shoot a short video that shows the Byrna launching Salt Supply rounds? After watching many videos, the Salt Supply rounds seem to have a more immediate and more severe impact than the Byrna rounds, pepper and max. Of course, the controls around these tests vary, such as windspeed. But if I can launch Salt Supply rounds out of my Byrna than all is good.
@@davidfamilydoctor9430 Greetings! You absolutely interchange the rounds between them. Also, there are sooo many different types of ammo.. Rubber, steel/rubber, PCV, Nylon, Zram, aluminum, steel, rhodamine, and on and on :) However, a good quality pepper ball is what you really want as well!
Thanks brother! I love my channel. I have been at it for a few years now and its grown and changed quite a bit. Wait till you see what I have coming next :)
I am having a difficult time thinking of how this kind of device would be useful. If I am in a situation where I need to pull a gun or gun-looking device on someone, it will be a life or death situation. In that situation the only thing I want in my hand has more than 5/6 rounds and fires lead.
Its the same principle as pulling a taser. If You're looking for a less lethal form of self defense then these are the way to go. As I've said many times before, these are NOT replacements for an actual firearm. They are an option. Just one more point on that topic, MANY police departments are currently using the Pepperball TCP and Byrna as day to day backups. As far as the 5/6 rounds, simply drop the mag and load another. You can get an average of 3-4 mags before the CO2 cart goes. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD my other hangup is that unlike a taser it looks just like a handgun, so you run the risk of getting shot with a real gun by police or a confused good samaritan bystander. You also have to worry about being charged with brandishing.
@@JamesBond-qv2ht Personal responsibility certainly plays into any weapon you carry. Not every situation devolves into a gunfight. These are designed as an alternative. Certainly not for everyone, but for some.
They are close to 1-1/2 - 1-7/8" wide. They are both very comfortable in the hand although Id say the Byrna was a tad more manageable due to its size. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks! It's really close to the same dimensions as the HK P30 9mm and much lighter. The Byrna is a wide frame though ... thanks again :-) You do a great job.
I'm really new to this pepper gun stuff lmao so let's say I wanted to fire the rubber projectiles to just get a feel for the gun would I have to exchange the C02 cylinder after it's punctured or does it hold it's seal?
Well, they will hold their seal for quite a while but if you’re going to store it for future use you’re going to want to replace the cartridge. However, you can simply “dry fire” the weapon to discharge the remaining CO2 if you don’t want to fire rounds. It’s always best, particularly if you are going to carry this, to keep the cartridge unpunctured until you need it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Excellent review! My question is regarding the Salt Supply launcher. Does Salt actually modify the Tippmann Tipx to handle additional FPS? I've heard a standard Tipx for paintball purposes has much lower velocity. So was anything done to the Salt other than cranking up the velocity adjuster? Any upgraded hardware? I'm considering just getting the Tipx and adjusting accordingly to accommodate for self defense, but I want to know if there's more involved than simply turning up the velocity adjustment. Thx!
So many folks have referenced the Tippmann and in some future video I hope to head to head the salt and the tippmann. (They certainly look identical) As far as mods to velocity, I'm not sure. I do know that the tippmann is primarily a "paint ball" gun which limits its velocity to the rules of paintball whereas the salt is a "self defense" launcher. Whether or not that actually makes a difference, only a head to head will tell. I'll have a good FPS meter shortly so we can get a good side by side comparison. One thing to note, higher velocity is not always your friend when dealing with pepper balls. I they break in the launcher (which they most certainly will with higher pressures) you're likely to dust yourself as much as the attacker. I'll be conducting more "burst" type tests in the near future. Have a great weekend and welcome to the family!
Actually, I did BUT, if you recall I mentioned that strange "gassing off" that the Salt Supply did on the last C02 cart. Well, it caused a loss of about 20%-30% of the pressure to be lost. (Apparently this was a normal occurrence when the gun thinks the C02 cart has too much pressure) I didnt think it would be a fair comparison at lower power. That being said, I did test afterwards using a new solid (smooth) rubber riot ball wit ha steel core and got similar results to the Byrna. The balls penetrated the head easily. I have a VERY interesting and POWERFUL version Ill be shooting a video for shortly. Stay tuned :) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Is it me or the salt supply looks like a tipx .and the burna looks like A more compact Fs pistol. i can see guys getting the burna on the field but whats the fps on the burna and salt supply.
Greets! Around 300FPS is what I was seeing from both initially. The byrna fell off a tad at the end (Due to the smaller C02 cart) but fired hard through 2 mags. Thanks for watching!
Great video! Question - can you keep this loaded and ready to go? Or do you have to unscrew / put in the Co2 cartridges everytime before you use them? Wondering how long it takes to set up before it is useable in real world scenario - and if you have to bother with oil and such maintenance like I've been hearing about. Looking for an option like this as my wife is very anti-gun since we have little kids. Thanks
I just watched the video on Byrna's site... The CO2 cartridge gets punctured automatically the first time you squeeze the trigger. It can be stored, ready to fire, indefinitely. That's a HUGE selling point. Very foolish of them to bury that info about 5 minutes in to the 3rd video I watched trying to find that out.
You can keep an unpunctured cartridge in the chamber indefinitely. I believe, Byrna's puncture once you take it off safety. The SALT/Mission/Tippmann punctures on the first trigger pull and is ready to fire on the next pull. Takes seconds. SALT is easy to maintain. It's a paintball gun that's been around for a long time. Plenty of videos to show you how to maintain and troubleshoot it. Cake walk.
Heh, you might find this interesting, but I get this argument now and then. At the end of the day, if you have to use your actual firearm in a self-defense situation, and you kill somebody, lay your weapon down, raise your hands, you’re going to jail. You’ll have to go through the entire process. Not to mention the fact, if you are an actual human being, killing another person will eat it you for the rest of your life regardless of whether they deserved it or not. You will never hear me tell you that a non-lethal weapon is as good as a lethal weapon. However, we don’t live in the OK corral. It is not a constant gun fight in every single scenario of life. These are fantastic alternatives for defending yourself without taking a human life. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD Oh I agree, I am retired LEO and even I am afraid at times, as the Radical DA's put a kink now a days in all advice given, has nothing to do with the Law/statue these days!,,,Shame! Good Vid!
The umarex are poorly designed , there is a knob at the bottom of mag that you must smash hars to pierce co2...stupid...Umarex are for training cqc only ,they are not self defense pistols. Stay with Mission,Tippmann,Byrna or Grimburg,Tcp etc as they are designed specifically for self defense.
@@swamivandermerwe That is great info! A design like that kind of reminds me of the bear CO2 BB gun pistols. They had that same “twist to pierce” thing on the bottom. Sounds more like a toy or a training device than an actual practical self-defense item. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the video! Excellent content here. I just purchased the Salt gun. The reason I went with the Salt gun is because the Byrna states the effective shooting range is a little over 60 feet, where the SALT is 150 feet. I'm curious if you found that to be true? I really like the idea of having almost triple the range with the SALT.
Yes indeed, the salt supply did actually have a greater range. Both of them had features that I very much liked and some that I did not so much like :-) the salt supply did fire a wider variety of rounds with no issues. I just did a review of the pepper ball TCP which is another heavy contender. You might take a look at that one too. Thanks so much for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Just wanted to say thank you for your insight, responsiveness and professionalism with everyone's questions here. It isn't common to see someone not only post a video but provide so much insight to everyone's questions, even the trollers I saw on here. Thank you!!
@@AlternateArmsSD So maybe 1 last question (sorry!) but the reason I want a gun like this is because I am an usher at a church, with a lot of folks that are not very big on us carrying a lethal weapon in church, but more in favor of something like this. The reason I want range is it is a fairly big church, so being able to have a greater range is very beneficial. But, ideally I wanted something I could put in my suit jacket, and I feel like the SALT is too big for that. Maybe the Pepper Ball TCP would be better? Looks like the range on that is 150 feet as well.
@@RomoChannel absolutely. For conceal ability you would definitely want to go with either the pepper ball or the byrna. Although, if you look at a previous video you will see a review for a Umarex HD which also might work very well for you.
@@AlternateArmsSD Cool! I just watched a Brit offer a review and he says it is fully legal in the UK. They've also got a HDS 68 that resembles a double barrel snake charmer. They both look like air guns of old with the bulbous knob sticking out from the hand grip. The revolver-style magazine is pretty ingenious. The speed of unload and reload of those magazines was not reviewed.
Hehe Yeah, I never realized how difficult shooting for a camera can be. :) Trying to keep an angle where you can see down the sights is very challenging :-) Thanks for watching!!
Great Vid. Btw how is the customer service at Salt supply? Ive seen many complaints at facebook groups with Byrna and their lack of communication. However Sal supply seems to have less development for their SD weapon. Also is The SS gun modifiable to crank up the FPS?
Well, I can tell you that salt supply is very responsive to emails. I haven’t really had issues with either (aside from shipping delta which is understandable at this point in time). I’ve also heard the stories but I haven’t experienced it myself. As far as the mods, I’m assuming you’d be limited to the pressures of the C02 carts you were using. I’ll look into it though! Thanks for watching!
SALT, supplies customer services will not answered any or all inquiries immediately takes them 24 hrs on line, live services its near to impossible to reach. However, when you do get any answers its accurate. The product it is good an accurate hitting target.
@@bulldog03leatherneck91 I have always had better luck emailing them than calling them. The tend to respond within 24 hours. I know they had some turn over up there and folks were moved around. Thanks for watching!
Well the main disadvantage when carrying isss…… are you planning on walking around with the cylinder punctured already,?? In most cases you won’t have a incident in a day, so you might as walk around with it not punctured . You may find your self at a critical disadvantage if you have to do a setup before defending yourself 🤨☝️!!
That's true. The Byrna WILL fire the first round without having to "prep" but the first round fires a considerably lower velocity. After the first round is fired though, You are firing full velocity until you are out of rounds (or need a new C02 cart). Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD - Okay, I rewatched the video and saw that actually both guns don’t puncture, until you pull the trigger ( if I heard right) . I like the other gun can shoot 11 times before exchanging clips.
@@uplift56 That is correct. You can carry them without having to puncture the seal until you need it. My only question with this was the duration and lifespan of the inner seal for the C02 cart. I suppose time will tell.
I’d check your local area for sure but I know that these are not classified as firearms. For all intensive purposes they are paintball guns. During any police interaction it is always best practice to let them know you are armed. Have a great week and thanks for watching!
Absolutely. I did a lot of research on this and they are perfectly legal wherever mace or pepper spray is legal. Providing of course you use it for self defense only. Have a great day.
Yeah, the point was to illustrate the lake of recoil. Obviously, you don’t teacup and weapon that has recoil but you can see it doesn’t affect accuracy at all! Thanks for watching!
Usually when your balls drop, it's due to evolutionarily positive growth. However... Edit: "guys it is deadly accurate." Translation - it is as accurate as it can be or, as you, the shooter, is. This guy can shoot. Straight through 2.5 foam layers at 15 - 20 ft? I would NOT want to be on the wrong end of these "non lethal" weapons. Faaaaarrrkk me, I'm out!
Oh you’re absolutely correct. These are some of the most expensive models. However, I have other videos of much more affordable weapons that perform just as well. I try to keep the video separated so that I can keep the economical away from the ridiculously expensive :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Please get rid of that useless video inset in the upper corner, it is too small to be of any use. If you want to show detail, then show it full screen. Also take some courses in video production, that will help your presentation skills and improve your framing techniques.
Funny you should mention that. I just ran a poll about “stumpy’s” feed. I’ll be pulling it down on future videos. I’m always changing, improving, and learning. Thanks for watching!
My fear is that this is an extremely bad idea. Police only use non-lethal if there is backup. If you hit an armed attacker with this and make him mad, the rest of your day could go very badly!
There is a reason that they use these for riot control. There’s a reason that they use these as back ups. There’s a documented and well-known reason that people use pepper spray. You need to remember that every single layer of self-defense counts. You’re not going to hit somebody and make them mad. Typically you’re not out there firing at the Incredible Hulk or Godzilla. Any regular human that takes a direct hit, or multiple hits, is going to go down and go down quickly. There is absolutely no way to describe you how horrible that pepper gas is. As I’ve said many times in the past, this is not a replacement for a firearm. It is an alternative way to defend yourself. Fortunately, we don’t live in the gunfight at the OK corral every single day. These would be able to handle a majority of your situations quickly and effectively.
@@AlternateArmsSD It's an alternative way to defend yourself that could get you in a world of hurt. In high winds, heavy rain, or facing a heavily clothed attacker, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
@@davidjenson4512 ROFL, ok so let’s concede that if you are : 1. In a hurricane or tornado.. it may not help 2. If you are in a torrential rain storm, it may not be effective. 3. If you facing someone dressed in a ski suit like the kid in “A Christmas Story”, it may not be effective. My friend, I have tested these in MANY real world scenarios and have have fantastic success. As I have stated about a trillion times, this is NOT a replacement for a firearm but an alternative.
How appropriate, he is talking in a room full of toys about toy guns. Listen guys, those nerf guns will get you killed. Get a real firearm, get real training and be able to bring the real heat if you absolutely have to. If you are an ex-convict and can’t own a real firearm then you should of thought about the consequences of your actions and I don’t feel sorry for you. But truly…..those toys can get you killed ! If it’s serious enough to pull one of those out then it’s serious enough to pull a real gun out. Oh my goodness, a toy gun that you are counting on to save your life uses co2 drink making cartridges and oh steel core balls lol, this is hilarious.
Greets and welcome to the family! Interesting take.. However, at no point did I ever insinuate that this was a "replacement" for an actual firearm. Of course an actual firearm is far superior but this is meant to be a less lethal alternative to those who cant carry a firearm (due to local laws and regulations *Or locality or country*), those who do not wish to carry a firearm for personal reasons, or for those who are simply more comfortable with a another form of self defense. These are not, and never will be a replacement. That being said, these are most assuredly not toys. There are countless videos showing the effective nature of these types of self defense items. Not every situation will devolve into the "gunfight at the OK corral". There are many situations where this type of item would be quite effective and sufficient without the added issue of killing the other party. Thanks for watching and have a great week!
Without a doubt this video is the best. No lies no comparing it to a real firearm. Thanks.
Thank you so much!! I always try to bring truth to everything I do or test for folks. Thanks for watching and have a great week!
Looking for your comparison of the Hero 2020 vs. Byrna launcher.
Man it is so refreshing to hear someone say exactly what needs to be said and present facts and conclusion without all of the other bullshit.
Thank you so much! I love my channel and feel that I owe it to viewers to give my true and honest opinions. When I review anything, I always tell folks that you get the fleas with the dog so to speak. Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
I'm so glad you did a test for both of these. It was hard to decide and I've been trying for months on which one to get. Really thank you so much.
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching!
Greetings from SJC! After much waiting, I finally got my camo green Byrna starter kit and overall I'm pretty satisfied. The only major drawbacks are the co2 cartridge allen key set up (there has to be a better way) and the fact that pepper balls are not available in California and are considered 'illegal'. Great video head to head comparison, subbed!
Absolutely! I sent a suggestion to add some sort of protrusion on the end to be able to remove and re secure that with your fingers. I've been told that something along those lines is in the works. We shall see ;) Thanks for watching!
Yes find an engineering firm to weld a little piece of metal at the end ,so your fingers can turn the cap. Byrna has made a 12G adaptor and cartridge available from June 2021, Shoot in the face with solids then hit attacker with launcher ,breaknose etc, learn som KragMaga etc...The leaslethal is a cheating way to blind,distract attacker to give you time to hot them in the face,throat,neck for a quick takedown. When they are down reload and empty a mag of solids in the mouth down the throat...Lol
@@swamivandermerweyou're a menace to society and I love it
VERY, VERY, VERY COOL demonstration! No 'Ums', 'Uhs' or wasted time (or annoying background music)...great video and to the point. Pros/cons well explained and the true capabilities of both launchers. BTW, you should wear some kind of eye protection...those projectiles were bouncing!
Thanks man!! Yeah, I will for sure in the future. These things do get down range quick! Thanks for watching!
As with everything I buy, I researched the living daylights out of these. Here's what I found. 1) The Byrna guns are 'twitchy' and not as reliable as some others. 2) The price of these Byrna, SALT and others are all around three to four hundred dollars with the exception of one. *The Umarex T4E P2P HDP .50 Pepper CO2 Gun which comes with 10 Pepper powder and 10 Rubber Ball rounds is under one hundred dollars, and I've not had a single failure unless the co2 tank is nearly exhausted.* (plus the Umarex holds six rounds rather than five and uses standard 12 gram co2 bottles rather than these dinky 8 gram)
Absolutely!!! I have two more to test against them as well. Next video is a nasty contender but still on the upper end of the price scale. We shall see. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
The umarex is nice, especially if you get the first strike .50 cal empty fsr shells for pepper round. But the first strike fsc is the most reliable and realistic one so far and it shoots hard hitting. 68 rounds. Of course If you get the drum round from g3d paintball or adn paintball and add that to your tipx, then you have the option of shooting fsc 30-50 rounds and you'll never have to reload in a situation where there's danger plus reloading with the g3d is extremely easy
I have the Byrna with the 12 oz capacity booster installed on the end called a Boost Adaptor but after reading your post I purchased your Umarex and also a similar Scorpion by Lancer Tactical. Both are similar but dissimilar. I've not had any problems with the Byrna or any that you stated but as you stated, the Umarex is under $100 as is the Scorpion by Lancer and I have no problems with any of 'em. I'm just into firearms and collecting, even though these are technically not firearms but rather 'launchers'. I just love 'semantics' and what can be done with it. lol Anyway, I have these three launchers as well as ones by Pepperball, which is a beast and other lesser names. I even have a Kimber pepper sprayer pistol and holster. I only use one of the pepper 'pistols' if I am some place that restricts firearms and then I use a pepper pistol and a Taser, which are technically not firearms, or shock devices, so I'm over-covered with the defensive 'weaponries', but better that than under or none at all, right mates.
@@FoxBonly how do you like the Scorpion?
@@roryswan9083 Hi Rory. I don't have the Scorpion holster. That's the leather holster from Tactical Scorpion Gear that the SD fits in to and I ordered the cloth, nylon, denim or whatever the fabric is direct from Byrna and here's the catch. I buy things because I take anything that I'm interested in to their limits and have to go though the entire system getting stuff I don't really need because I guess that would be because I'm ocd that way??? lol
Anyway, I made up the excuse that I would carry the Byrna in places where CC is not allowed, but I usually avoid places where it's not except my local post office whose postmaster gave me permission because we know each other for a long, long time, and they carry that authority because Congress said it's ok but it's the postmaster general in Washington that has said no and so the laws state the local postmasters can give special permissions.
But where I was going with this is that because of this, I've not had the opportunity, chance or maybe, my own self-inflicted restrictions to carry it so I have no experience to share with you.
I wish I'd known about the Scorpion when I purchased mine from Byrna because they first told me they had no holsters for their units, then a year later I saw they did, then they gave me problems ordering it because they don't like shipping to post offices until I showed them how much business they were losing by not shipping to them and explained how they like many other US businesses don't understand the new PO shipping policies and how much safer they are than leaving packages outside on front steps just ripe for stealing.
In any case, I smartened them up and then had an issue with the sale price and on and on it went. I've talked with the Inventor and owner of Byrna on several occasions regarding that and other ideas, but as with any business these days, it's a bit rough trying to get through to them.
Had I known about the Scorpion at the time, I'd have ordered it instead but thanks to you now, my wallet just might get lighter because you brougjt it back up to my attention and I may order it now. Thanks alot. lol If I do and you still would like a review, I could make a promise to test it and get back to you or rather do a jen psaki move and 'circle back to you' on it. LOL
Let me know fellow patriot. lol
This has been so helpful, and I love your energy!!
Thank you so much!! I love my channel :) Thanks for watching!
This video was VERY, EXTREMELY informative! THANK YOU!!
My pleasure my friend!! Thanks for watching!!
@@AlternateArmsSD Burna kept trying to say that only THEIR C02 cartridges would work in their launcher, I should have know that was a bunch of BS 😂😂 smh
@@CeeWorld69 Heh yeah, when I first got one, I thought the same thing. Then I started doing a little bit of research and found out that the 8 g cartridges are the exact same ones they use in seltzer machines. I’ve been using them in mine ever cents for the channel. If you’ve got the extended version of them, you just use the 12 g cartridge. I’m actually pretty glad they didn’t do anything proprietary. That could’ve been catastrophic.
Great review 👍 I agree the Byrna does not like any type of rubber balls. I purchased 5 gram nylon with steel riot balls and my Byrna love them. Plus I learned that you do not want to go too heavy on your rounds because it massively slows down the velocity. 8 and 10 grams are most definitely less effective.
Absolutely! I have a very large head to head video coming up with a couple other launchers as well. Also, I will be adding an FPS meter to my set very shortly. It’s time to get some solid statistics on these :-) Thank you so much for watching and welcome to the family!
would you share with us the name of these 5 gram balls and where you got them? cheers.
@@romeowhiskeyjuliette8711 These are nasty! amzn.to/3GR1xB4
@@romeowhiskeyjuliette8711 I initially bought these through riot ball. And again they are totally fantastic. Riot ball does not carry them anymore but I did find and buy some more on Amazon. On Amazon it reads as, Riot Ball 100 count x 0.68 Cal. Paintballs 5 g each PVC steel self-defense less lethal no seem. I bought 100 of these and they are the exact same ones and they are fantastic. Thank God they can be reused. But they are not cheap. The company that they are sold through is named, candler trade LLC and they cost for 100 $69. But to me they are totally worth it. Byrnas kinetic rounds have nothing on these.
@@richardhopkins9493 Thanks for getting back to me. does it say "paintball" in the description? The orange ones?
Hey. Just wanted to say I luv ur channel. & Your reviews on the launchers are great! I watched the one on the salt supply s2. & I ordered 1 for myself. I got it a few days ago& I love it. It is very powerful. So easy to use. Ty again for all ur great videos. I been watching your channel for a few months now. I hope you keep going for a very long time. Take care& stay safe
@@michaelbassinger6229 Thank you so much Brother!! This community is amazing and I have big plans for everyone :)
Agree distance sounds about right, until it goes down. Be conscious of your surroundings.
Absolutely! These are very effective at under 35 feet (Although in later testing It was very accurate at 70 feet but lacks stopping power at that distance.) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Great video, but using a CO2 cartridge can cause the gun to "freeze up" in cold environments, because when the gun is fired, CO2 gas is very cold, so combined with extremely low outdoor temperatures, the weapon could become unusable. However, simply brandishing a gun will usually scare a perp away.
Greetings! I thought about that as well. What would have the opposite effect. However, considering anyone carrying would not be outdoors for a period of time which would allow the carts to freeze or expand, with the weapon directly exposed to the elements, I can’t see that being an every day issue. Typically, they are on your side from the car to the place you’re going. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I've been trying to decide on what SD Device would work best for myself and my colleagues. I work in the Limo business in Minneapolis. With all these crazy riots and car jackings going on, I need something less lethal to defend myself or clients if a situation arises. We normally carry but there are locations where lethal weapons are prohibited. Such as MSP Airport and other federal properties. A few cops actually mentioned the Byrna and recommended it to me. Thank you for taking the time to create this video.
I completely understand! What initially started me down this path was my business as well. I own a flea market and, if the need ever arises to protect myself, my customers, or my vendors, these are a much better option. I am also testing several other models in the next videos and I've found a couple I was impressed with. Folks have been suggesting different models and brands they would like to see as well. The list is ever growing it would seem.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
That was an awesome review!!! You are very detailed, I loved it!!! Thank you!
Thanks man! I really enjoyed both of them! Thanks for watching!
Good thing about the Salt Supply is, when the CO2 in punctured and you dont use it all, it can stay in the gun for up to a few Months i believe without losing any pressure or doing damage to your gun.
I haven’t tried a long term puncture test. Perhaps a future video...... Thanks for watching!!
What's the different between salt supply, sebra and mission tpr
@@flokaineyunggoldmouth1087 Sebra and Mission upcoming in a future video (As well as a few others) .. My goal is to find the most practical and best value in the end. There's a lot of testing to do ;) Thanks!
@@flokaineyunggoldmouth1087 Did you mean Sabre? If you did, there isn't a difference. Salt and Sabre pepper launchers are the Tippmann TiPX made for the home defense market. The difference between the paintball version and the home defense version is the regulator, and I believe, the firing bolt assembly. The home defense version is capable of a much high fps due to the pressure relief valve being tweaked and the bolt assembly having more holes.
Your reviews of the Byrna have been very helpful. I'm getting mine on Tuesday.
You’re going to love it. I have a lot of the Umarex weapons, but my Byrna is still one of my favorite all around pepperball launchers. Stay away from firing the rubber balls, stick to the solid or pepper balls.
I have the Byrna SD and love it. I shoot the solid nylon rounds and have never had a problem. The rounds are very inexpensive on E Bay. I also have the Byrma Boost to use 12 gram Co2 bottles in my Byrma. Both the 8 gram and 12 gram Co2 bottles work good. The 12 gram probably have more firepower and more rounds fired per Co2 cartridge. I could get easy 15 rounds with the 8 gram but I think over 10 rounds were less powerful. Have not tested the 12 gram yet but I would expect an easy 15 round capacity with full firepower. The Byrna is extremely accurate !! Don't break into my home. My Byrna is loaded and I will hurt you. A Co2 cartridge can be kept in the loaded Byrna and will not leak pressure because it does not puncture the Co2 cartridge until the trigger is pulled once. So... the Byrna can always be ready.
Greets!! Yes indeed! Puncturing method is only present in two of the weapons I know of. The byrna and the salt supply. The salt supply is Not exactly a day today carry weapon :-)
Thank you for all your hard work and passing on all thatt knowledge to us. Byrna it is for me.
My pleasure man!! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!!
Great review but please consider NOT changing the parameters of the test. When you fold the foam for gun #2 then do the same test for gun #1. Better yet, continue testing with increased foam. BUT the SAME for each gun. Love the review !!!
Thanks Brother! Yeah, this is an older review and pre “skully”. He leveled the field :)
He was using the smaller 8oz CO2 cartridge with the Byrna when Byrna offers an extension to hold the standard 12oz cartridge and the extension from Byrna is mysteriously called a Boost Adaptor. That would have been a more equal comparison.
You are correct. When this video was actually published, they didn’t have the extended version out. However, I don’t think you’re going to get much of a change in feet per second but you certainly will for volume and number of shots.
@@AlternateArmsSD the Boost Adapter adds between 5-10 fps, so it doesn't really add any real speed boost, but it does allow you to get up to 30 shots vs 20 shots out of each cartridge I found. Honestly I didn't find it was worth the extra cost as if you haven't stopped your attacker with the first two clips, extra shots aren't really gonna help much.
One more thing the byrna SD looks just like a real gun. When it’s in the holster there’s no way to tell. And when I brought my Byrna had a sell. I got the regular Byrna SD in the case. But I also got 95 of the others solid balls and a box of 8 CO2 carriages. And the price was 349.00. Great deal keep a lookout they runs special regularly.
Yes indeed, and worth every penny :-)
Where did you buy a SD , gas cartridges and solid balls for $349 ?
@@javadog6288 It was a sale but I’m working on something. Stay tuned :)
Burns has an add on that I bought with mine, it allows you to use a standard CO2
Yes indeed! They also have some very cool options and add-ons! Thanks for watching!
What is burns? Are you saying Byrna has a CO2 adaptor? for the 12G?
@@swamivandermerwe My guess would be that auto correct got him.
You should do a comparison with the byrna and first strike that would be one hell of a competition I think the first strike would win
Yet another one on my list! :) These things are a tad expensive and I do this all out of my pocket but sooooonnnnn :) Thanks for watching!
Great video demonstration on these 2 items.
Thanks! They were both very nice. Thanks for watching!
I love how this person talks. He sounds like a professional speaker. He can work doing demos at any company.
Thank you so much!! Nah, I just love my channel. I know I can get excited when I’m playing with new toys or tech :) Thank you so much for watching!!
great demo they are excellent for defence
Thank you! I picked up the Byrna but haven´t tried it yet!
It’s a great device. I have a few more to test but it set a high bar. Thanks for watching!!
Well done from Australia
Thanks man!! Be safe down there. I heard it’s nuts! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
You have to spray tire shine on the rubber balls. Smooth as silk.
That’s an interesting idea. I would wonder about the affect it would have long term on the internal seals and mechanisms on the Byrna. I’ll look into it. Thanks!
Just bought the byrna
You won’t regret it, they put out a heck of a launcher. I have the new LE coming in shortly for review as well.
"Dang guys, that thing is deadly accurate"
I think you mean less than deadly accurate. Lol.
Always gotta be one huh :) I think you understand the concept. Besides, on subsequent tests using bearings and other forms of ammo I was able to actually shatter frozen water bottles. I am planning to do something like that on the next head to head video as well. Also, “less lethally accurate” just didn’t feel right! ROFL :)
The point is that both are very accurate at their intended range. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I just ordered a Byrna SD👍👍👍
You’re gonna love it! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Pretty accurate for an air gun. Did you season the camera before cooking or at the end?
Byrna does as well. They have a pretty extensive list of add on and accessories. This goes down as my favorite for sure:) Thank for watching!
Oh man, that was the first time I'd ever seen that camera go into a "heat shutdown" mode :) It recovered nicely though once we came in out of the sun. Thanks for watching!
lol
it may be the front screw where you put the co2 if it's anything like the Tippmann TIPX there is an adjustment in the co2 cap to compensate for variations in co2 length not all co2 are created equal try turning that screw when it happens I'll bet it stops
Loved this very informative video. Thank you very much!
Thank you so much!! I have many head to heads planned in the near future! Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Can you Try it with glass , metal and and plastic(rubber)..????
Awesome video thanks for this fantastic time....and let us know.
Thank you so much! have a great weekend!
There is a company that makes a front adapter for the byrna to accept regular 12gram co2.
@@graywolf3456 Oh I guess they're not available until June but u can pre order them on byrna's website byrna.com/products/byrna-boost-12-gram-co2-adapter
@@graywolf3456 No problem glad to help a Texan! Im in Illinois it sucks here with the Anti gun Democrats but I do have a ccw.
I ordered the adapter from Byrna on pre-order I'm just wondering how it will fit the holsters I've already ordered.
@@blackpowderpapa I ordered one too. I’ll get it in June
Like the salt gun only not for toting around I'm not robo cop the Byrna would be ideal for conceal carry
Funny you should say that, that was exactly what I thought the first time I saw that salt supply. “Drop it creep” ROFL
That Salt Supply unit looks like you'd be trying to smuggle a sub-machine gun compared to the compactness of the Byrna Launcher. Thanks for the video!
Also, the Byrna has an attachment to use the larger C.o.2 cartridges & the new LE has it as their standard model.
Greets! Yeah, the salt supply reminds me of the gun that robocop carries :) Yeah, I have tested several of the Byrna launchers (I carry an extended version from time to time) and I can’t wait to get my hands on the LE. Soon with any luck :)
@@AlternateArmsSD - The LE is what I'm waiting on. I've been researching Less Than / Non-Lethal for about a year now and so far Byrna keeps ending up on the top of my list.
@@danofiremano You can’t go wrong! They’re supposed to be sending me one to test on the channel, but I haven’t seen it yet. As soon as I do, I guarantee it’s going up :-)
Good product comparison. Some of the other videos seem to be by almost disgruntled testers!
I noticed that too! I always try to have fun on my videos. If you’re not enjoying what you do, why do it? Thanks for watching!
I was and am so close to getting the Bryna. It’s on sale, $280 for Black Friday. But I would never buy it for $399. Never. Don’t. It’s blocky. And I think (with no proof) that even if you love it and put it in a special case every night, it’ll break after 3 to 5 years. I could be very wrong. But it’s blocky and doesn’t feel great to me. Personally I don’t see how they could make it a better design unless, they moved the co2 tank to the handle and then put the guns in a track that runs under the barrel. Then, you probably could have a magazine which is huge for reloading, and it would lose some reliability. Again, this is my opinion and I don’t have huge hands. Just regular, medium sized gloves hands. But I own hand guns that are very tailored to people and feel more durable. Steel has that effect.
For a concerned person, lives in an area with homeless, road ragers, riots etc. I would say buy one. Immediately. If it makes you feel safe and brings a better quality of life to you. Then $280 is well worth it. Me personally, I would rather use a kimber pepper blaster. As it’s way smaller. Way cheaper. But way less effective. I’m betting my life on, I can fight. I usually have a knife. And I run marathons, so most people aren’t going to just run me down. But, I have a kid. Can’t run that fast with her. So I have a kimber.
I’d highly recommend people have something. This is expensive. Get it in sale, sure. But be warned. Larger than you think, blockier than you think.
The Byrna is something else. I’ve had mine for 4 years now and have never had any issues. I alternate between by Walther PPQ and my Byrna almost daily. There is a substantial cost difference for sure! You are correct about the feel. They are not as heavy as any of the other weapons I have tested but they pack a heck of a pinched
I’m a big fan of Kimber and I’ve been trying to get a few of their products on the channel for some time. We shall see :)
Have a great week!
Question 2 -> would you use the pepperball option indoors? Would the pepper also get in the user's face and disable the defender as well? How would you use this for home self defense?
Greetings! The C02 cart doesn't actually puncture until you pull the trigger. You can leave it loaded and ready indefinitely. I have heard from some sources that the pepperball rounds do have a shelf life of around 6 months although I haven't tested that myself.
As far as home defense, from my testing indoors, the powder tends to stick to the object it hits. It will create a small cloud in the immediate area if you fire multiple rounds. Its nowhere near as "messy" as pepper spray.
There are many other kinetic options too. You can fire steel core riot balls which will certainly deter any would be attackers (particularly if you hit them in a soft area or the face.)
I have several more options coming up as well.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for the useful info, keep up the good and unfortunately necessary work of defending our families.
@@jeffreysoboe My pleasure man! We are always our own first line of defense. Have a great week!
EL Falcon Jeff?
@16:23.. Was thinking "hmm, eye protection might be needed here".
ROFL!! You have no idea :-). In the future video I pointed out that a user actually mentioned that to me and I felt kind of silly. I actually use it in all of the subsequent videos. In a future head-to-head test I have in mind, it’s going to be particularly important. Stay tuned :-)
I have seen demos where the OC/CS pellet from Bryna completely incapacitates the target. The TCP only somewhat and would not completely stop an aggressor. The Salt S1 OC/CS you fired produced irritated eyes and coughing but you were able to talk and react which would not stop an aggressor.
Byrna OC/CS seems to be the most effective.
Your thoughts?????
Greetings! From my research to this point, that is exactly what I've found. There are also much more powerful versions of the CS balls that was very nasty and not for retail sale (that I've found yet). The ugly truth is that both weapons have good and bad features and the best version would be a hybrid of both. That being said, I still daily the Byrna. I am looking into some more expense and more powerful version for future videos. We shall see.... Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
I'm not sure how it is now, but I read that Tippmann/Mission got their rounds from Byrna. Byrna was based in South Africa and Mission rounds stated "Made In South Africa". Would it be far fetched that Salt stills gets their rounds from Byrna? Nope! Money is money. I also believe that Byrna gets their buttstock kit used on their Mission 4 launcher from Modern Combat Sports, a paintball company that also deals with less lethal contracts also. One of their products is...... pepper rounds.
Can you load that with steel breaker balls I think that will be a better option
Great review! Appreciate you taking the time and effort to test both. I totally understand the time it takes compared to what people see in the final video (it's exhausting). Though, it sort of seemed to me that you almost wanted the Byrna to win. I have no dog in the fight so I don't care either way, I'm just trying to decide which one I want more. I'm just wondering if you had more of a stake in the Byrna winning?
I have no stake at all. My entire goal is to show folks exactly what they get in the mix. This is an older video though. Look forward and you’ll see what I mean. Salt supply is the ONLY launcher that I’ve had that has never had a jam firing all types of ammo.
@@AlternateArmsSD Appreciate you clarifying. I'll check out some other vids. Thanks!
@@WarriorWisdom My pleasure brother! Have a great weekend!
You musta missed that second shot with the byrna LOL.
No, it was so damn hot my camera kept shutting down. I lost a TON of footage. Thanks for watching!!
They're just a knock off of the tippmann tipx which can accurately hit you from 100' to 100 yards depending on if you do the long distance upgrade
It’s on my list too :) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Seems that he is pro Byrna!
Heh well, I do enjoy it so far :) I have an interesting competitor coming up soon. Thanks for watching!
you deserve more sub !
Thanks man!! It’s a lot of work, that’s for sure, but I do love making the videos :-) i’m glad you’re enjoying it. :)
Wow I wasn't expecting such a throughly review because I'm just watching your vid for the 1st time and I see PC components lol.. But great video u answered a lot of questions I had.. My BYRNA XL will be delivered this coming Tuesday and can't wait to try it out with the default 12 Co2 that u can actually convert to HPA with a special adapter but of course for training purposes only due to the fact you'll have a air line coming from the weapon with a tank lol
Thank you so much! Yeah, the boards behind me actually represent about 40 years of IT :-) however, I’m a tech channel and these are definitely cool tech! I actually will have another video coming out shortly with another competitor so to speak. Thank you so much for watching!
Good channel..
Thanks my friend! I do love making the videos :0 Welcome to the family!
That ricochet that hit the counter at the end looked like it was still fully intact with no burst…
You are correct! That foam head was rather spongy and if you notice on that hit, I hit the curvature by the neck causing the round to roll up the head. That added with the fact that were on the second magazine on the same cart. I had several of the rounds actually imbed into that head. I'm trying to located a ballistics dummy head for future tests. I'm truly curious to see what damage 5 solid rounds to the face could do. Have a great night man!
@@AlternateArmsSD yeh that makes sense. I was just about to ask you about using ballistics gel to test with. There’s a website called Clear Ballistics that sells all kinds of that stuff. They’ve got kits with different molds and I believe the heads are around $150. It would be interesting to see them perform against the gel that has the skull and the torso with the rib cage in it. I’ll definitely be looking forward to that video!
@@robertwilliamcurl1490 I’ll definitely look into it. I’m kind of a one-man show though so I buy it all on my own :-)
Very good video indeed ,although made me think of my recent decision,because to be honest I’ve ordered the salt gun just last week(they are backed up about 4 weeks),but now I’m not sure that i did the right thing.Also wondering if you ever had a chance to contact them regarding that air leak you’ve head,and if it was easy to fix. Thank you and I’m looking forward to hear from you!👍
Greets! Im so sorry for the delayed response. I JUST saw this. Yes indeed, its a pressure "gassing off" valve. Apparently when the Salt Supply "detects" over pressure, its a safety release to let off some pressure. When it stopped. it still fired fine throughout the testing. (It just caught be off guard) I have several other options up and coming soon! Have a great week and welcome to the family!
What camera and lens you using for the intro? Outstanding wide angle for 1080p 60fps! Overheated? Sony 6300?
Greets!! Welcome to the family! I use a Sony CV1 for the main camera with the stock lens. It overheats outside (This is Texas and gets nasty and humid) but never inside (yet). It’s been the best main camera I’ve had to date though. Thanks for watching!
You're really cool, CTS Guy! I'm now subscribed.
Thanks man! It was great meeting you!
good vid Jon but where are the Grenberg(SP) mace/pepper balls with the BB inside for 100% breakage on any surface????
Oh, it’s coming :) So many videos so little time :)
@@AlternateArmsSD OK jon can I get them from Grimberg???
@@bendogie1 You can indeed!
@@AlternateArmsSD jon >called Grimberg but they only make these irritant rounds in 68 cal>>anyone else make them???
@@bendogie1 Yea indeed, I have them on my website. Www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com
Also, I’m working on something in the back for everyone.. stay tuned :)
What laser & light will go on the t4e HD 50 with holster bought one on Amazon and it was too small to fit the rail
I sent you a link on the other question. Take a look.
Good test - nice job
Thanks!! I really don’t think you could go wrong with either one :) Thanks for watching!
I have a Byrna and love it so far. Just one thing that happpend to me was that the pepper balls started to brittle and break after a long time loaded in the magazine. When I shoot they burst immediately. So the training balls(hard balls) are always loaded. What would you guys advise on how to approach this.
That’s a very good point that I will address in a future video. The pepper balls can, and will, degrade over time depending on weather exposure. (Humidity, excessive heat, excessive cold, etc) My suggestion, and what I personally do, is a staggered magazine combining solid and pepper balls. The first round chambered is a riot ball. This will shield the pepper balls in the magazine to some degree. Also, I’d suggest changing them, if unused, every 3 months or so. (Depending on your environmental conditions.
On a side note, I have found the “pepperball branded” balls to be a but more resilient than the Byrna branded.
Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
bro i need your help my daughter is 18 years of age. and want to know what for her is good (BYRNA) or the umerax (50) cal
Does she attend a college? What are the rules about pepper spray? What state do you live in? You can shoot me an email if you’d like.. there are a few important questions to ask :) jonreynoldscts@gmail.com
interesting but do they make a fart spray version or skunk would be good as well
Ewww yuck! :)
I've heard that the salt supply guns sometimes misfire and don't puncture the co2. Did the Byrna fix that?
It appears they did. I did run into a strange issue where the cartridge blow off activated during charging the salt supply on one cartridge.. But it didn't happen again so I'm not sure what that actually was. As far as the Byrna, I've run about 200 cartridges through it and it hasn't failed yet.. Time will tell. Thanks for watching!
It's an easy fix. There's a screw in the CO2 cap that can be adjusted. It also serves to release all the CO2 in case the canister needs to be removed but is punctured and not empty.
So what's the best self defense co2 pistol?
Brother, that is really a point of preference. I have a video coming up that had the heads each pistol by caliber. There’s a couple I haven’t even shown you guys yet that are absolutely amazing. Stay tuned, I’ll give you all of the information you’ll need to make a solid decision :-)
10:30, we don't see the 2nd shot from the byrna. Also, the salt seems to have a much bigger spray or burst than the byrna.
Hey David, if you watch the video to the end, I mentioned that my camera kept overheating outside. That’s why we lost that second shot. However, you get the exact same amount of coverage as far as pepper balls goes as they are both 68 caliber rounds.
@@AlternateArmsSD Will you shoot a short video that shows the Byrna launching Salt Supply rounds? After watching many videos, the Salt Supply rounds seem to have a more immediate and more severe impact than the Byrna rounds, pepper and max. Of course, the controls around these tests vary, such as windspeed. But if I can launch Salt Supply rounds out of my Byrna than all is good.
@@davidfamilydoctor9430 Greetings! You absolutely interchange the rounds between them. Also, there are sooo many different types of ammo.. Rubber, steel/rubber, PCV, Nylon, Zram, aluminum, steel, rhodamine, and on and on :) However, a good quality pepper ball is what you really want as well!
@@AlternateArmsSD a video that ranked and described the options would be welcome. All need to be .68 caliber.
@@davidfamilydoctor9430 Ill see what I can do :)
What type of byrna thst look like a hand gun?
It’s a Byrna SD.
Crazy Computer Guy.... LOL
second time watching .. earned a sub and a like this time
Thanks brother! I love my channel. I have been at it for a few years now and its grown and changed quite a bit. Wait till you see what I have coming next :)
@@AlternateArmsSD will do
Byrna HD
Can’t go wrong :)
I am having a difficult time thinking of how this kind of device would be useful. If I am in a situation where I need to pull a gun or gun-looking device on someone, it will be a life or death situation. In that situation the only thing I want in my hand has more than 5/6 rounds and fires lead.
Its the same principle as pulling a taser. If You're looking for a less lethal form of self defense then these are the way to go. As I've said many times before, these are NOT replacements for an actual firearm. They are an option. Just one more point on that topic, MANY police departments are currently using the Pepperball TCP and Byrna as day to day backups. As far as the 5/6 rounds, simply drop the mag and load another. You can get an average of 3-4 mags before the CO2 cart goes. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD my other hangup is that unlike a taser it looks just like a handgun, so you run the risk of getting shot with a real gun by police or a confused good samaritan bystander. You also have to worry about being charged with brandishing.
@@JamesBond-qv2ht Personal responsibility certainly plays into any weapon you carry. Not every situation devolves into a gunfight. These are designed as an alternative. Certainly not for everyone, but for some.
@@AlternateArmsSD WTH. An imposter is posting under my name. Cheap imitators. Just FYI my name is Bond. James Bond.
New sub great channel,🤙🤙🤙🍻
Thank for watching and welcome to the family!!
On their website they give the height and length but not the width. Would you measure it and let us all know?
They are close to 1-1/2 - 1-7/8" wide. They are both very comfortable in the hand although Id say the Byrna was a tad more manageable due to its size. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks! It's really close to the same dimensions as the HK P30 9mm and much lighter. The Byrna is a wide frame though ... thanks again :-) You do a great job.
@@samuelself9629 Thanks!! I do love my channel :) Hope to talk to you again!
Can you use .58 cal. or .60 cal. Lead round balls?
I havent tried but the weight difference would certainly affect distance, accuracy, and impact. Ill give it a shot. Thanks for watching!
Do you know what holster will fit the new Sd ???
They have one listed on their website. I haven’t got one… yet :)
How did the Leland C02 soda seltzer cartridges work in the Byrna?
They worked perfectly! I was pleasantly surprised :) Thanks for watching!
I'm really new to this pepper gun stuff lmao so let's say I wanted to fire the rubber projectiles to just get a feel for the gun would I have to exchange the C02 cylinder after it's punctured or does it hold it's seal?
Well, they will hold their seal for quite a while but if you’re going to store it for future use you’re going to want to replace the cartridge. However, you can simply “dry fire” the weapon to discharge the remaining CO2 if you don’t want to fire rounds. It’s always best, particularly if you are going to carry this, to keep the cartridge unpunctured until you need it. Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
It's recommended that you replace the cartridge 24 hours after puncture.
Excellent review! My question is regarding the Salt Supply launcher. Does Salt actually modify the Tippmann Tipx to handle additional FPS? I've heard a standard Tipx for paintball purposes has much lower velocity. So was anything done to the Salt other than cranking up the velocity adjuster? Any upgraded hardware? I'm considering just getting the Tipx and adjusting accordingly to accommodate for self defense, but I want to know if there's more involved than simply turning up the velocity adjustment. Thx!
So many folks have referenced the Tippmann and in some future video I hope to head to head the salt and the tippmann. (They certainly look identical) As far as mods to velocity, I'm not sure. I do know that the tippmann is primarily a "paint ball" gun which limits its velocity to the rules of paintball whereas the salt is a "self defense" launcher. Whether or not that actually makes a difference, only a head to head will tell. I'll have a good FPS meter shortly so we can get a good side by side comparison.
One thing to note, higher velocity is not always your friend when dealing with pepper balls. I they break in the launcher (which they most certainly will with higher pressures) you're likely to dust yourself as much as the attacker. I'll be conducting more "burst" type tests in the near future.
Have a great weekend and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD My friend, you just got a sub!!! 😁
Didnt test the salt supply on the head
Actually, I did BUT, if you recall I mentioned that strange "gassing off" that the Salt Supply did on the last C02 cart. Well, it caused a loss of about 20%-30% of the pressure to be lost. (Apparently this was a normal occurrence when the gun thinks the C02 cart has too much pressure) I didnt think it would be a fair comparison at lower power.
That being said, I did test afterwards using a new solid (smooth) rubber riot ball wit ha steel core and got similar results to the Byrna. The balls penetrated the head easily.
I have a VERY interesting and POWERFUL version Ill be shooting a video for shortly. Stay tuned :)
Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Is it me or the salt supply looks like a tipx .and the burna looks like A more compact Fs pistol. i can see guys getting the burna on the field but whats the fps on the burna and salt supply.
Greets! Around 300FPS is what I was seeing from both initially. The byrna fell off a tad at the end (Due to the smaller C02 cart) but fired hard through 2 mags. Thanks for watching!
Pretty sure the Salt is made by Tippmann. It is identical to the Tipx.
@@JamesBond-zd5jx I believe your right. At some point I’ll grab a Tillman just to compare but they are identical from what I can see.
Great video! Question - can you keep this loaded and ready to go? Or do you have to unscrew / put in the Co2 cartridges everytime before you use them? Wondering how long it takes to set up before it is useable in real world scenario - and if you have to bother with oil and such maintenance like I've been hearing about.
Looking for an option like this as my wife is very anti-gun since we have little kids.
Thanks
I just watched the video on Byrna's site... The CO2 cartridge gets punctured automatically the first time you squeeze the trigger. It can be stored, ready to fire, indefinitely.
That's a HUGE selling point. Very foolish of them to bury that info about 5 minutes in to the 3rd video I watched trying to find that out.
You can keep an unpunctured cartridge in the chamber indefinitely. I believe, Byrna's puncture once you take it off safety. The SALT/Mission/Tippmann punctures on the first trigger pull and is ready to fire on the next pull.
Takes seconds. SALT is easy to maintain. It's a paintball gun that's been around for a long time. Plenty of videos to show you how to maintain and troubleshoot it. Cake walk.
With all of there less than lethal, the only shot I am firing is a head shot! You are going down,,,Period!
Heh, you might find this interesting, but I get this argument now and then. At the end of the day, if you have to use your actual firearm in a self-defense situation, and you kill somebody, lay your weapon down, raise your hands, you’re going to jail. You’ll have to go through the entire process. Not to mention the fact, if you are an actual human being, killing another person will eat it you for the rest of your life regardless of whether they deserved it or not.
You will never hear me tell you that a non-lethal weapon is as good as a lethal weapon. However, we don’t live in the OK corral. It is not a constant gun fight in every single scenario of life. These are fantastic alternatives for defending yourself without taking a human life. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD Oh I agree, I am retired LEO and even I am afraid at times, as the Radical DA's put a kink now a days in all advice given, has nothing to do with the Law/statue these days!,,,Shame! Good Vid!
I wanted to know if you can test the umarex .50 cal pepper gun in comparison
I will look into it! Thanks for watching!
The umarex are poorly designed , there is a knob at the bottom of mag that you must smash hars to pierce co2...stupid...Umarex are for training cqc only ,they are not self defense pistols. Stay with Mission,Tippmann,Byrna or Grimburg,Tcp etc as they are designed specifically for self defense.
@@swamivandermerwe That is great info! A design like that kind of reminds me of the bear CO2 BB gun pistols. They had that same “twist to pierce” thing on the bottom. Sounds more like a toy or a training device than an actual practical self-defense item. Thanks for watching!
So what is the new contender
You’ll find out Monday :) Thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Thank you for the video! Excellent content here. I just purchased the Salt gun. The reason I went with the Salt gun is because the Byrna states the effective shooting range is a little over 60 feet, where the SALT is 150 feet. I'm curious if you found that to be true? I really like the idea of having almost triple the range with the SALT.
Yes indeed, the salt supply did actually have a greater range. Both of them had features that I very much liked and some that I did not so much like :-) the salt supply did fire a wider variety of rounds with no issues. I just did a review of the pepper ball TCP which is another heavy contender. You might take a look at that one too. Thanks so much for watching and welcome to the family!
@@AlternateArmsSD Just wanted to say thank you for your insight, responsiveness and professionalism with everyone's questions here. It isn't common to see someone not only post a video but provide so much insight to everyone's questions, even the trollers I saw on here. Thank you!!
@@AlternateArmsSD So maybe 1 last question (sorry!) but the reason I want a gun like this is because I am an usher at a church, with a lot of folks that are not very big on us carrying a lethal weapon in church, but more in favor of something like this. The reason I want range is it is a fairly big church, so being able to have a greater range is very beneficial. But, ideally I wanted something I could put in my suit jacket, and I feel like the SALT is too big for that. Maybe the Pepper Ball TCP would be better? Looks like the range on that is 150 feet as well.
@@RomoChannel absolutely. For conceal ability you would definitely want to go with either the pepper ball or the byrna. Although, if you look at a previous video you will see a review for a Umarex HD which also might work very well for you.
@@AlternateArmsSD Is the range on the Unmarex similar to the SALT gun? Also, can all of these guns also shoot rubber bullets, along with paintballs?
Have you reviewed the HDR .50?
Funny you should mention that……. It’s coming next. Stay tuned :)
@@AlternateArmsSD Cool! I just watched a Brit offer a review and he says it is fully legal in the UK. They've also got a HDS 68 that resembles a double barrel snake charmer. They both look like air guns of old with the bulbous knob sticking out from the hand grip. The revolver-style magazine is pretty ingenious. The speed of unload and reload of those magazines was not reviewed.
Nice shooting, but get rid of that tea cup grip.
Hehe Yeah, I never realized how difficult shooting for a camera can be. :) Trying to keep an angle where you can see down the sights is very challenging :-) Thanks for watching!!
Great Vid. Btw how is the customer service at Salt supply? Ive seen many complaints at facebook groups with Byrna and their lack of communication. However Sal supply seems to have less development for their SD weapon.
Also is The SS gun modifiable to crank up the FPS?
Well, I can tell you that salt supply is very responsive to emails. I haven’t really had issues with either (aside from shipping delta which is understandable at this point in time). I’ve also heard the stories but I haven’t experienced it myself. As far as the mods, I’m assuming you’d be limited to the pressures of the C02 carts you were using. I’ll look into it though! Thanks for watching!
SALT, supplies customer services will not answered any or all inquiries immediately takes them 24 hrs on line, live services its near to impossible to reach. However, when you do get any answers its accurate. The product it is good an accurate hitting target.
@@bulldog03leatherneck91 I have always had better luck emailing them than calling them. The tend to respond within 24 hours. I know they had some turn over up there and folks were moved around. Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks, will do in the future.
@@bulldog03leatherneck91 My pleasure brother! Have a great weekend!
Well the main disadvantage when carrying isss…… are you planning on walking around with the cylinder punctured already,?? In most cases you won’t have a incident in a day, so you might as walk around with it not punctured . You may find your self at a critical disadvantage if you have to do a setup before defending yourself 🤨☝️!!
That's true. The Byrna WILL fire the first round without having to "prep" but the first round fires a considerably lower velocity. After the first round is fired though, You are firing full velocity until you are out of rounds (or need a new C02 cart). Thanks for watching!
@@AlternateArmsSD - Okay, I rewatched the video and saw that actually both guns don’t puncture, until you pull the trigger ( if I heard right) . I like the other gun can shoot 11 times before exchanging clips.
@@uplift56 That is correct. You can carry them without having to puncture the seal until you need it. My only question with this was the duration and lifespan of the inner seal for the C02 cart. I suppose time will tell.
@@AlternateArmsSD - yes let time tell the facts ☝️.
Does this require a conceal carry permit at any time, cause I was wondering if cops would consider you armed without it if still in a holster.
I’d check your local area for sure but I know that these are not classified as firearms. For all intensive purposes they are paintball guns. During any police interaction it is always best practice to let them know you are armed. Have a great week and thanks for watching!
It doesn’t.
@@josephdominick5216 Thanks man!
Absolutely. I did a lot of research on this and they are perfectly legal wherever mace or pepper spray is legal. Providing of course you use it for self defense only. Have a great day.
@@josephdominick5216 Fantastic research! Thanks for watching!
the way you were holding the Byrna was bothering me
Yeah, the point was to illustrate the lake of recoil. Obviously, you don’t teacup and weapon that has recoil but you can see it doesn’t affect accuracy at all! Thanks for watching!
Hey, do you know anyone who would buy all my 1980s Atari games and console?
Actually, I might. Shoot me an email... Jonreynoldscts@gmail.com .. Let me know what you have
I can shoot 6 rounds. There is enough room in the pistol to drop in a ball and then insert the magazine with its 5 balls.
Greets! I am conducting a couple tests about this. I’ll keep you posted! Thanks for watching!
Both wepsons 🤔
Usually when your balls drop, it's due to evolutionarily positive growth. However...
Edit: "guys it is deadly accurate." Translation - it is as accurate as it can be or, as you, the shooter, is. This guy can shoot. Straight through 2.5 foam layers at 15 - 20 ft? I would NOT want to be on the wrong end of these "non lethal" weapons. Faaaaarrrkk me, I'm out!
Do me a favor keep the head I want to show it to my wife this weekend
Oh, it’s not going anywhere :) Thanks for watching!
Shits obviously for rich people.. you could literally buy a good handgun for $350-$400....
Oh you’re absolutely correct. These are some of the most expensive models. However, I have other videos of much more affordable weapons that perform just as well. I try to keep the video separated so that I can keep the economical away from the ridiculously expensive :-) thanks for watching and welcome to the family!
Please get rid of that useless video inset in the upper corner, it is too small to be of any use. If you want to show detail, then show it full screen. Also take some courses in video production, that will help your presentation skills and improve your framing techniques.
Funny you should mention that. I just ran a poll about “stumpy’s” feed. I’ll be pulling it down on future videos. I’m always changing, improving, and learning. Thanks for watching!
My fear is that this is an extremely bad idea. Police only use non-lethal if there is backup. If you hit an armed attacker with this and make him mad, the rest of your day could go very badly!
There is a reason that they use these for riot control. There’s a reason that they use these as back ups. There’s a documented and well-known reason that people use pepper spray. You need to remember that every single layer of self-defense counts. You’re not going to hit somebody and make them mad. Typically you’re not out there firing at the Incredible Hulk or Godzilla. Any regular human that takes a direct hit, or multiple hits, is going to go down and go down quickly. There is absolutely no way to describe you how horrible that pepper gas is.
As I’ve said many times in the past, this is not a replacement for a firearm. It is an alternative way to defend yourself. Fortunately, we don’t live in the gunfight at the OK corral every single day. These would be able to handle a majority of your situations quickly and effectively.
@@AlternateArmsSD It's an alternative way to defend yourself that could get you in a world of hurt. In high winds, heavy rain, or facing a heavily clothed attacker, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
@@davidjenson4512 ROFL, ok so let’s concede that if you are :
1. In a hurricane or tornado.. it may not help
2. If you are in a torrential rain storm, it may not be effective.
3. If you facing someone dressed in a ski suit like the kid in “A Christmas Story”, it may not be effective.
My friend, I have tested these in MANY real world scenarios and have have fantastic success. As I have stated about a trillion times, this is NOT a replacement for a firearm but an alternative.
How appropriate, he is talking in a room full of toys about toy guns. Listen guys, those nerf guns will get you killed. Get a real firearm, get real training and be able to bring the real heat if you absolutely have to. If you are an ex-convict and can’t own a real firearm then you should of thought about the consequences of your actions and I don’t feel sorry for you. But truly…..those toys can get you killed ! If it’s serious enough to pull one of those out then it’s serious enough to pull a real gun out. Oh my goodness, a toy gun that you are counting on to save your life uses co2 drink making cartridges and oh steel core balls lol, this is hilarious.
Greets and welcome to the family! Interesting take.. However, at no point did I ever insinuate that this was a "replacement" for an actual firearm. Of course an actual firearm is far superior but this is meant to be a less lethal alternative to those who cant carry a firearm (due to local laws and regulations *Or locality or country*), those who do not wish to carry a firearm for personal reasons, or for those who are simply more comfortable with a another form of self defense. These are not, and never will be a replacement.
That being said, these are most assuredly not toys. There are countless videos showing the effective nature of these types of self defense items. Not every situation will devolve into the "gunfight at the OK corral". There are many situations where this type of item would be quite effective and sufficient without the added issue of killing the other party.
Thanks for watching and have a great week!