I can't wait to see you go through the ampli-torque on this. I have one I need to work on this winter on my 335 and your video I'm sure will be very helpful!
@@squatch253 Subscribed already so will get a notification when you upload another clip. Looking forward to that next update, but no need to rush, as I have a backlog of your earlier videos to catch up on. Great channel, glad I found it...
I just saw a gorgeous restored 56 M&M UTC tractor on Aumann Auctions Tractor site. Good grief that that thing looked huge. 4cyl wide heavy front axle, big tires. Third generation owner!
Love the side by side comparison. Have to wonder just what they were thinking as they laid down the lines on paper and sent them to the casting shop. Thanks for the yellow and red. You are going to have a busy winter.
Good to learn about the progress of the brand,...what a pity they aren't around today,..but, I know, that's the way the equipment industry goes. This wasn't a 'dry' video to me, Thanks again.
This has been an amazing documentary and process and i look forward to future installments. Instant subscriber here. On a side note, years ago i did my own restoration on an old 69 allis Chalmers b112 riding mower. Not nearly the level of difficulty as this but watching this reminded me how fun it was and now has me looking again for an old piece of equipment to dig into.
I don't understand all of the parts you talk about because I've never had a tractor and worked on it. But, the way you go through stuff and explain in detail I can visualize them and what they're for. Thanks!
on the prototype tranmission clutch case MM was looking at a Fwd/REV shuttle that replaced the torque amplifier. for a possible fork lift or loader industrial application.
Great video series. I recently acquired a 445 Utility 1957. I am in the process of getting it running again. You have some great tips on engine assembly. Thank you.
Good eye, Excellent Shakedown inspection evaluation, Had the privilege of working on some Ford experimental 4 cylinders engines that came from the factory.( prototype) that never met the manufacturing line, you brought back some good memories.
I have copies of the patent documents for the throttle clutch you mentioned near the end of this video. It was installed on some of the models of the NTU prototype that we have photos of from 1943.
My brother has a 445 that will move in the shop one day. There were a run of dashes availible years back, i grabbed one for him, that part to us would have been a very difficult part to get an original that looked good and ACTUALLY worked. Will suscribe and keep up with your progress
Thanks for the wonderful video. Despite the impossible task of retro engineering you do an awesome job of rethinking the design of the original staff. This is made very difficult after the factory modifications. Can’t wait to see the parts reassembled. Thanks.
That would really be fun, wouldn't it? I don't recall that the machine is really all that old, I suppose there actually might still be someone around that worked on it. Finding them would be the trick, and then whether they still remembered anything interesting about the project.
@@squatch253 No, everything is in the process of being freeze dried! Good old wood heat. I'm threatening to build a fire but not quite yet. I'll let Sweetie do the saying on that deal. We have to keep turning the heat pump lower and lower to keep the blue light off. The wood is there. When it's time, it'll be time. Watch out for everybody till they get their snow legs back on. C U, Toby and Pop!
Thanks for the education, it's nice learning about other brands of machines especially the experimental' s. You've probably figured out I'm a Fordson /Ford guy for my tractor of choice in my collection. I've only ever worked on 2 MM's through my repair shop the worn out 4 cyl diesel town lagoon pumping tractor that won't start unless it gets a visit from the" Ether Bunny" and his can of fun, all I do with that one is oil changes when they want to pay me now as it's a $1000 tractor. I also go over and get it to start first time every year for the new operator, as they never have the same guy 2 years running. One year I made 2" angle iron alternator mounts and got it to charge as well, somebody mounted a 10si alternator before and it vibrated right off. The tractors bolted to the bracket now it's so strong, it's going nowhere unless somebody takes it off and steals it. Or the tractor if the amount of ether to start it don't get them high and they pass out first ! The others a 6 cylinder my old neighbor had from new in the family that mice hauled canola seed in and filled some cylinders with open valves . Those little buggers must of hauled half a wheel barrow full in that motor, before it even filled the cylinders and started filling the manifold. I took the injectors out and the manifolds off They guy didn't want to spend much so we got it moving on the crank a few turns pushing stuff out, then hit the starter. There was still a pretty good spurt of black stuff and water came out and hit the shop wall 8 ft away. I shoved it all back together fixed the mouse entrance holes, and if fired up and ran perfect after that, it just smelled like burning mouse piss for a few days when the motor warmed up !. Take care.
Thanks for the video! I suppose that may be boring to a lot of people, but I'm as fascinated as you seem to be about the differences and what the mystery bosses and holes might have been. And speaking of that, my guess on that diagonal hole near the bell housing is that it was an inspection or measurement hole used on the prototype so they could inspect inside after things were assembled. It will be interesting to see just what is visible or reachable with a feeler gage after the machine is assembled again.
Hey your video's are never boring not when you the most interesting person in the whole wide world , just kidding but when are you going to start with the rebuild can't wait thanks.
Those two bosses above the brake casting would be exactly where mechanical brake cams would have possibly been if a rotating arm had been thought of for actuating those cams. Since I know nothing of how MM brakes work,I shall simply have to watch the episodes till you get to that reassembly step. Maybe the designers were doing belt and suspenders approach and a just in case approach if the design they settled on had not worked. Water getting down past the shaft would have been an ongoing problem without some really careful thought.Cheers.
Looks like some of those bosses casted on the exterior are datum "target points" for location on machining fixtures. You can bet these bosses weren't needed during production because the fixures were more extensive.
Inspection and measuring hole, given how large it was and the fact that it has no features to it. Repaired a prototype bell housing for a friend, also had that kind of holes in it, difference was they were reinforced with a brazed circle, and had stamped numbers next to them.
Some of the differences can be due to the production runs were thought to be used for multiple models not just this one, so maybe they were thinking of making several other models. Just a thought.
I'm a D2 fan, but now I might have to watch your other videos in this series (23 of them...gotta find that kind of time). Are the prototypes in this video throw-aways? I ask because it looks like there's a massive crack near the bottom of the rear housing at 1:50. Or am I wrong about that?
@@squatch253 Thanks for taking the time to type out the whole not-so-short (but very interesting) story. But it looks like right now your D2 project is giving you a taste of what TH-cam "fame" looks like. People love watching videos of orphans being found and being turned into something amazing. Kind of the ugly duckling being becoming a beautiful swan. It never gets old. I don't know how important TH-cam is to you, or what you want your channel to become, but it looks like you have some channel-building opportunities before you. I should also mention that TH-cam followings can lead to dramatically higher values for the subject of a video series after the project is complete. A great example would be the wood canoe ("sport dory" he calls it) that sold on ebay for $7200, which is outrageous for a boat that can't take a motor. It was the subject of a 37-chapter video series on Lou Sauzedde's "Tips from a Shipwright" channel. He has 91K subscribers, is sponsored by a materials supplier, AND sells the finished product for more than its normal street value. Basically, TH-cam is a significant part of his business. Just some food for thought.....
Stunning projects, sorry for asking, you probably answered this many times, did you restore the prototype to 100% original or do you make improvements on some places where it was weak or a small failure
I assume you're going to restore the production version since you're comparing it with the prototype. Do you gather bearings, etc. for the production version at the same time you get them for the prototype?
@@squatch253 I can certainly understand the burnout. I've been working on restoring an antique airplane for close to 20 years now and feel I've not made much progress. To top it off I have another one waiting to be restored.
Awesome info and interesting as usual! Your knowledge is inspiring, if I ever get a D4 or D2 you could charge a fortune to check out the prospective purchase via Skype or FaceTime!
HI NICE TO SEE THEM DIFFERENCES , WHAT MADE THEM PLUM FOR ONE OR THE OTHER MY MATE HAS A COUPLE OF BIG RUMMLEY OIL PULS , WITH HUGE CASTINGS AND I FIND MYSELF THINKING HOW ON EARTH DID THEY WORK ALL THAT OUT, IF THEY HAD BEEN LOOKED AFTER ME THINK THEY WOULD BE LIKE NEW TODAY, BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO MAINTANCE WHEN THE NEWNES HAS WORN OF ANY WAY ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND YOUR FANTASTIC WORK
@@squatch253 wouldn't it be great if we all loved our jobs, i guess that's why its called work, i too hate my factory job every day, but it pays the bills
I can't wait to see you go through the ampli-torque on this. I have one I need to work on this winter on my 335 and your video I'm sure will be very helpful!
Great video.
Just binge watched the entire 24 episodes in this playlist :) Hoping I dont have to wait too long for the next one :)
@@squatch253 Subscribed already so will get a notification when you upload another clip. Looking forward to that next update, but no need to rush, as I have a backlog of your earlier videos to catch up on. Great channel, glad I found it...
Fascinating.
Your attention to detail is impressive. Thanks for the great videos
I find machine archaeology interesting, well done as always.
Grew up 14 miles from Stockton , found myself elbow deep in many Cat equipment , but I am so entertained with this MM prototype keep them coming.
I just saw a gorgeous restored 56 M&M UTC tractor on Aumann Auctions Tractor site. Good grief that that thing looked huge. 4cyl wide heavy front axle, big tires. Third generation owner!
Love the side by side comparison. Have to wonder just what they were thinking as they laid down the lines on paper and sent them to the casting shop. Thanks for the yellow and red. You are going to have a busy winter.
Good to learn about the progress of the brand,...what a pity they aren't around today,..but, I know, that's the way the equipment industry goes.
This wasn't a 'dry' video to me, Thanks again.
This has been an amazing documentary and process and i look forward to future installments. Instant subscriber here. On a side note, years ago i did my own restoration on an old 69 allis Chalmers b112 riding mower. Not nearly the level of difficulty as this but watching this reminded me how fun it was and now has me looking again for an old piece of equipment to dig into.
I don't understand all of the parts you talk about because I've never had a tractor and worked on it. But, the way you go through stuff and explain in detail I can visualize them and what they're for. Thanks!
Interesting video. I will have to go back to the start of your project as I only discovered your channel a few weeks ago. A lot of catching up to do.
on the prototype tranmission clutch case MM was looking at a Fwd/REV shuttle that replaced the torque amplifier. for a possible fork lift or loader industrial application.
Good educational stuff!
Great video series. I recently acquired a 445 Utility 1957. I am in the process of getting it running again. You have some great tips on engine assembly. Thank you.
Great video. Pretty interesting to learn the differences.
Good eye, Excellent Shakedown inspection evaluation, Had the privilege of working on some Ford experimental 4 cylinders engines that came from the factory.( prototype) that never met the manufacturing line, you brought back some good memories.
I have copies of the patent documents for the throttle clutch you mentioned near the end of this video. It was installed on some of the models of the NTU prototype that we have photos of from 1943.
Got hooked on the Super M, now back to #X231, woo whoo get'er done.
Very informative and interesting, enjoyed watching your work. Looking forward to future episodes.
My brother has a 445 that will move in the shop one day. There were a run of dashes availible years back, i grabbed one for him, that part to us would have been a very difficult part to get an original that looked good and ACTUALLY worked. Will suscribe and keep up with your progress
Thanks for the wonderful video. Despite the impossible task of retro engineering you do an awesome job of rethinking the design of the original staff. This is made very difficult after the factory modifications. Can’t wait to see the parts reassembled. Thanks.
That would really be fun, wouldn't it? I don't recall that the machine is really all that old, I suppose there actually might still be someone around that worked on it. Finding them would be the trick, and then whether they still remembered anything interesting about the project.
Really enjoy the video's, very interesting. thanks
Glad you're back inside because as I understand, the white stuff is falling or has fallen. Thanks, Toby! Good comparison! Hi 2 Pop too!
@@squatch253 No, everything is in the process of being freeze dried! Good old wood heat. I'm threatening to build a fire but not quite yet. I'll let Sweetie do the saying on that deal. We have to keep turning the heat pump lower and lower to keep the blue light off. The wood is there. When it's time, it'll be time. Watch out for everybody till they get their snow legs back on.
C U, Toby and Pop!
Thanks for the education, it's nice learning about other brands of machines especially the experimental' s. You've probably figured out I'm a Fordson /Ford guy for my tractor of choice in my collection. I've only ever worked on 2 MM's through my repair shop the worn out 4 cyl diesel town lagoon pumping tractor that won't start unless it gets a visit from the" Ether Bunny" and his can of fun, all I do with that one is oil changes when they want to pay me now as it's a $1000 tractor. I also go over and get it to start first time every year for the new operator, as they never have the same guy 2 years running.
One year I made 2" angle iron alternator mounts and got it to charge as well, somebody mounted a 10si alternator before and it vibrated right off. The tractors bolted to the bracket now it's so strong, it's going nowhere unless somebody takes it off and steals it. Or the tractor if the amount of ether to start it don't get them high and they pass out first !
The others a 6 cylinder my old neighbor had from new in the family that mice hauled canola seed in and filled some cylinders with open valves . Those little buggers must of hauled half a wheel barrow full in that motor, before it even filled the cylinders and started filling the manifold. I took the injectors out and the manifolds off They guy didn't want to spend much so we got it moving on the crank a few turns pushing stuff out, then hit the starter. There was still a pretty good spurt of black stuff and water came out and hit the shop wall 8 ft away. I shoved it all back together fixed the mouse entrance holes, and if fired up and ran perfect after that, it just smelled like burning mouse piss for a few days when the motor warmed up !. Take care.
I watched the whole video,Very Interesting!
Thanks for the video! I suppose that may be boring to a lot of people, but I'm as fascinated as you seem to be about the differences and what the mystery bosses and holes might have been.
And speaking of that, my guess on that diagonal hole near the bell housing is that it was an inspection or measurement hole used on the prototype so they could inspect inside after things were assembled. It will be interesting to see just what is visible or reachable with a feeler gage after the machine is assembled again.
Keep it cant wait to see the mighty mo running
That'll be a cool tractor one day.
thanks for explaining the differences really enjoy the videos! wont be long and shell be going together!
Squatch253 haha! Never fails when your waiting on one part! I’m sure will your skills of what you’ve done so far you’ll have it together in no time!
These is history lesson! THE NICE WAY
The devil is always in the details. Great analysis of differences.
Hey your video's are never boring not when you the most interesting person in the whole wide world , just kidding but when are you going to start with the rebuild can't wait thanks.
Gives a good idea about the amount of engineering involved in getting things into production. At NCR it was always, make it cheaper. Good preparation.
Awsome video I learned alot
Those two bosses above the brake casting would be exactly where mechanical brake cams would have possibly been if a rotating arm had been thought of for actuating those cams. Since I know nothing of how MM brakes work,I shall simply have to watch the episodes till you get to that reassembly step. Maybe the designers were doing belt and suspenders approach and a just in case approach if the design they settled on had not worked. Water getting down past the shaft would have been an ongoing problem without some really careful thought.Cheers.
Looks like some of those bosses casted on the exterior are datum "target points" for location on machining fixtures. You can bet these bosses weren't needed during production because the fixures were more extensive.
Inspection and measuring hole, given how large it was and the fact that it has no features to it. Repaired a prototype bell housing for a friend, also had that kind of holes in it, difference was they were reinforced with a brazed circle, and had stamped numbers next to them.
wow very different yet strangely similar
Some of the differences can be due to the production runs were thought to be used for multiple models not just this one, so maybe they were thinking of making several other models. Just a thought.
Are you restoing both machines at once
Is this to replace the broken rearend on the MM crawler
I'm a D2 fan, but now I might have to watch your other videos in this series (23 of them...gotta find that kind of time). Are the prototypes in this video throw-aways? I ask because it looks like there's a massive crack near the bottom of the rear housing at 1:50. Or am I wrong about that?
@@squatch253 Thanks for taking the time to type out the whole not-so-short (but very interesting) story. But it looks like right now your D2 project is giving you a taste of what TH-cam "fame" looks like. People love watching videos of orphans being found and being turned into something amazing. Kind of the ugly duckling being becoming a beautiful swan. It never gets old. I don't know how important TH-cam is to you, or what you want your channel to become, but it looks like you have some channel-building opportunities before you. I should also mention that TH-cam followings can lead to dramatically higher values for the subject of a video series after the project is complete. A great example would be the wood canoe ("sport dory" he calls it) that sold on ebay for $7200, which is outrageous for a boat that can't take a motor. It was the subject of a 37-chapter video series on Lou Sauzedde's "Tips from a Shipwright" channel. He has 91K subscribers, is sponsored by a materials supplier, AND sells the finished product for more than its normal street value. Basically, TH-cam is a significant part of his business. Just some food for thought.....
I know you'll probably never see this, is there a story behind the production parts tractor?
Stunning projects, sorry for asking, you probably answered this many times, did you restore the prototype to 100% original or do you make improvements on some places where it was weak or a small failure
In the prototype the bottom bore it looks like a crack going down from the bore to the base (where the web brace should be)
Ok thanks for the reply , interesting segment
I assume you're going to restore the production version since you're comparing it with the prototype. Do you gather bearings, etc. for the production version at the same time you get them for the prototype?
@@squatch253 I can certainly understand the burnout. I've been working on restoring an antique airplane for close to 20 years now and feel I've not made much progress. To top it off I have another one waiting to be restored.
Awesome info and interesting as usual! Your knowledge is inspiring, if I ever get a D4 or D2 you could charge a fortune to check out the prospective purchase via Skype or FaceTime!
I hang on every word.
You think the turqe amplifier was on the farm or in factory
@@squatch253 thank you
The thumbnail looks like a mad dog 😂
or hippo
HI NICE TO SEE THEM DIFFERENCES , WHAT MADE THEM PLUM FOR ONE OR THE OTHER MY MATE HAS A COUPLE OF BIG RUMMLEY OIL PULS , WITH HUGE CASTINGS AND I FIND MYSELF THINKING HOW ON EARTH DID THEY WORK ALL THAT OUT, IF THEY HAD BEEN LOOKED AFTER ME THINK THEY WOULD BE LIKE NEW TODAY, BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO MAINTANCE WHEN THE NEWNES HAS WORN OF ANY WAY ALL THE BEST TO YOU AND YOUR FANTASTIC WORK
Just wanted to say outstanding job on the line boring!, are you a machinist by trade?
@@squatch253 wouldn't it be great if we all loved our jobs, i guess that's why its called work, i too hate my factory job every day, but it pays the bills