It’s terribly hard to believe that they went through this in a factory, back in the day. I now have a lot more respect for what I call old timers, and I’m 72 years old.
bmcc12 I was thinking the same thing. I bet they must have used some sort of tool/jig on the assembly line to keep the snap rings expanded as the gears were positioned down the shaft. I’d also bet this was a job done by women. Partly due to the their smaller hands and partly due to their tendency towards having more patience. I’m certain I would have been fired my first day on the job for throwing one of those gears in frustration.
You had me creased up with laughter listening to your philosophy about why folks do complicated things in their spare time. Even so, another supremely enjoyable video! Thanks.
Had to be something else to work on the assembly line installing those gear sets and getting everything exactly where it needed to be. You've really done an outstanding job getting those two units looking so nice and clean painted up better than the day ot was first rolled outta the factory for testing.
Very nice work. Not usually anything other than a green guy but the way you’ve done this restoration has really caught my interest. I’ve watched the whole playlist 3 times in a week and s half lol
After all the graft that you have put into scrap engines on the Cat, it's great to see you make progress on X231 again pal. Thanks for the work you put into the videos, always entertaining.
Here in British Commonwealth countries, what you call cotter pins we call split pins. Cotter pins to us are the pins with a ramp on them such as are used to hold old fashioned bicycle pedals on the crank! Great video, I am glad it went together (comparatively) nicely! 👍
Holy smokes...amazing the tolerances and the complexity of a manual transmission..from something so long ago... Such a great video and some day hope to see that tractor humming along doing it's thing...Great job!
Squatch mate as always your videos have me interested from the first second to the very last second, thank you for your time and effort in making this video, also please increase the swearing level as it makes me feel like I'm closer to home!!👍😋
I guess the excitement is the challenge of the job, my last oversize job was a Falk reduction gear for a sugar cane refinery in Florida. 75hp 1 -1/2" input shaft 4" 90° output shaft. It was something like 40-1 reduction. For the vat stir paddles. & it crashed hard. The only thing that was reused was the case vaults (2) almost 2" thick huge square case's that had to have the correct gear mesh, backlash and clearance. Fun stuff rebuilding a 1/2 million dollar reduction gear, and then stand by a warranty.😵. All that destruction was caused by a $500.00 bearing that failed. Looked to be lack of lube. Everything was a real pretty blue & razor sharp metal everywhere.
In the Navy we had several small wedges that had a small grooves on both side that would fit between tangs of snap rings just enough to keep them open on a shaft. they had flags on them to "remind you they existed" it would allow you to slide them down a shaft in a situation like first gear. I don't know where we got them at but they were a help on a lone man job like that
What is this world coming to?!? Two videos in a row with humor!?! Another great video Toby, hope all is well and that the rest of the transmission and torque amplifier goes together fine for you.
Thanks for another installment, It's coming together nicely . I'm going to say if you think thats not fun, you should try working on a Deutz DX120 tractor transmission. Those things have big snap rings in , but you can't use big pliers due to room issues. I could teach you swear words you didn't know existed after tearing one apart in the wrecking yard I worked at. The guy wanted one shaft, they are so bad for going out he came and inspected the part when the side cover was off, then said pull it out he thought it was good. When I got the shaft out it was junk, The splines had stripped in the other part it fits in twisted and locked it up. That was a $7000 brand new component from Deutz, he thought his luck was in for used at $3500. Thats 15 hours of my life I won't get back pulling it apart to ! Take care
That's when you start charging by the hour in labor for your frustration: 'Are you SURE you want me to tear into this gearbox just to see if that one part is good? I'm charging 10 bucks an HOUR for my time FIGHTING snap rings and gear splines.'
Squatch253 don’t worry, I watch the cat videos too. I’m looking forward to the day that you get it up and goin. It’s going to be an outstanding part of history that has been brought back to life for future generations to enjoy.
Well, you get a BIG A-PLUS from me on this whole deal! Like I said, you could be a surgeon, no problem. And I like the philosophical deal. You have to have a calling for something like this to be fun but the final result IS fun, and bunches of it! I don't get into anything even CLOSE to this but when it works, there is a big 'WHEW' let out. Spring is coming and Pop can get a break on the stoking and thanks for the grin! I don't blame you AT all! Well earned!
Great video enjoyed it know the fun of building top loader Ford 4 speeds those tight spots are fun! I was disappointed you said there was going to be some cursing but I didn't hear any & I was hoping to learn some new words lol
It's like being the boy who holds the flashlight for dad.! Just remember don't shake it or try to look at what he's looking like . !!! Dad said I told you rite here don't worry about what iam looking at!!you son of@$%&#!!!!! Lol good to see you are making progress!!👍 The whole not seeing doesn't bother me anymore I look after the job !!!🤣🤣
Super excited to see this pop up on my feed. Great video, SQUATCH. Getting real close to bolting some major housings together.. Going to start looking like a tractor again before you know it.
@@squatch253 Progress is progress! I can't wait to see the next phases of it when you start bolting sections together. You still have some PTO/HYD issues to figure out, correct?
@@squatch253 That thing sure was rough inside. I sure do marvel at your abilities and attention to detail, though. This thing will be BETTER than new when you get it all done. I imagine it to be like the MM at Nowthen that had very low original hours on it.... x231 is going to be one of the best examples of a FULL restoration around, for ANY tractor. I'd like to do the Farmall H memorial project to this amount of detail... But I don't know if enough money could be raised to finish it! Look forward to more updates. Progress is progress!
Why do you do it? Because of the natural buzz you get when you finish the task, and think "I did that". And, thankfully for us viewers, you keep coming back with more.
At least Deere had the good sense to use progressive fit snap rings on that bottom shaft so they can't drop in the groove they don't belong in. of course that means they have to go on in the exact order too. I always wondered how they did it at the factory as it is a time consuming job doing it like you or I do.
7:28 Ah, yes, the age old question. When you're armpit deep in frustration and shite, and can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Just gotta keep telling yourself it's a challenge that you've got to overcome, that makes the good parts even more rewarding. Y'know, between the cursing and resisting the urge to throw things across the room. 😆 I was thinking of that "why am I doing this and calling it fun if it isn't fun" line myself, today; as it took me two hours to make up and fit a 14" brake hard-line. It'll be worth it by the end...
Dang that's awesome. And just think that was built with old school technology!!! Those old plant workers would have thought they would have died and gone to heaven with all the new machining practices.
Mac has a special pair of pliers used for a 3 speed power shift on a 637 and 657 Cat scraper. You can take a pair of tipped spreader pliers and cut V groves and do the same thing
Looking good! Everything is so clean, you did not get your hands dirty. The clearance on that one gear that almost touches the case boss you could clip your fingernails with it!
Looks to me like those are just as "fun" to do as the bottom shaft on a JD Synchro Range or Quad Range transmission, only this one a great deal simpler. The JD has 4 snap rings, 3 thrust washers, and two sets of shift collars and hubs that all have to be strategically stacked in place as the shaft is going in.
@@squatch253 gives a guy a good excuse to have a beer or more when you're finally done with it. They made a "dummy shaft" to stack it up easier, but those seem to be as readily available as hen's teeth.
Looks to me like the difficulty encountered with that final snap ring is the reason MM did away with the spacer/sleeve and went with intermediate snap rings!
So there is a benefit to having slender hands, especially when working on transmissions like this one. ( size 10 or large gloves for me ) I've done a few ford 3 speed transmissions back 100 years ago , or so it seems , so I'm glad to be able to just watch you do these boxes. I am no less interested though. If something doesn't go as it should, you go right ahead and curse or swear, I'm sure most of us who follow you here, won't mind at all. I think we all understand !
Looked forward to seeing an update on this one :) Shame we diddnt get to hear the swears such as 'Son of a submarine' or 'Your father was a turnip' but I digress. Excellent progress!
"Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory." ~ General George S. Patton I am sure Toby was adequately exhilarated when the last snap ring was in place.
It makes you wonder, special tools be damned, just how long it took them to assemble one of those in the factory. That looks like it could be a good day's work even with special tools, jigs, and all the guys you wanted to help assemble it.
Good to see you could transition over and take some time off from the D2!....that's all I've got to say for now, with the hours I've put in with this past blizzard I'm mentally and physically exhausted, winter can end any day as far as I'm concerned!
Looking good boss. Reminds me of trying to get a shift fork out on a JD 3010. Had everything out of the way, Could move lots of gears and shafts around... you think I could find the one spot to give me the clearance? Four hours later...
I would be interested to see how these steps would have been done in the MM lab and or then on the 445 production line? It would drive the Lean Engineers nutz. Its almost as much fun as pulling injector sleeves out of the 7.3 or the 6.0
The tolerances are the same from production to prototype? Seems to me that gear will expand about a thousand per inch and it looks close to 10" so looking at ten thousand expansion and if you have less than 20 you really getting close. Spins nice and would hate to see it touch when it gets hot. Awesome vid.
Cast iron or cast steel expands 5.8-7.0 millionths of an inch (10^-6) per degree of temp change. The gear would be a puddle before it got hot enough to take up 20 thousandths of clearance.
3 hours condensed into a hair under 14 minutes. I wonder how many shillings went into the curse box during this installation? Probably less than when you found those cracks in the block of #5J2115!
@@squatch253 I can only imagine how much time goes into creating and editing the video content ready for upload. I think I speak for many others who follow your channel that we all really appreciate all that additional effort.
Not wanting to be a big "A" hole... but did you ever think about getting 3 sets of 90 degree snap ring pliers? that way with the ratcheting pliers you can just push the pinion in?
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It’s terribly hard to believe that they went through this in a factory, back in the day. I now have a lot more respect for what I call old timers, and I’m 72 years old.
bmcc12 I was thinking the same thing. I bet they must have used some sort of tool/jig on the assembly line to keep the snap rings expanded as the gears were positioned down the shaft. I’d also bet this was a job done by women. Partly due to the their smaller hands and partly due to their tendency towards having more patience. I’m certain I would have been fired my first day on the job for throwing one of those gears in frustration.
Been there Done that
You had me creased up with laughter listening to your philosophy about why folks do complicated things in their spare time. Even so, another supremely enjoyable video! Thanks.
I enjoy learning how they made it all work together. Thanks for sharing!
I would have sworn that the large gear was gonna hang on that boss. This is a very interesting series.
Had to be something else to work on the assembly line installing those gear sets and getting everything exactly where it needed to be.
You've really done an outstanding job getting those two units looking so nice and clean painted up better than the day ot was first rolled outta the factory for testing.
Very good, that gears looks like my Farmall Super A, awesome video
Oh Lordy, all that ring and groove hopping. Can only imagine the pressure some guys were under building these new, over and over and over...
Love watching those old pieces of equipment get cleaned up and running. Thanks for your work.
Very nice work. Not usually anything other than a green guy but the way you’ve done this restoration has really caught my interest. I’ve watched the whole playlist 3 times in a week and s half lol
Awesome video. Surprising that 1st gear tolerance is so low !
Happy Sunday morning to you
After all the graft that you have put into scrap engines on the Cat, it's great to see you make progress on X231 again pal. Thanks for the work you put into the videos, always entertaining.
Here in British Commonwealth countries, what you call cotter pins we call split pins. Cotter pins to us are the pins with a ramp on them such as are used to hold old fashioned bicycle pedals on the crank!
Great video, I am glad it went together (comparatively) nicely! 👍
Holy smokes...amazing the tolerances and the complexity of a manual transmission..from something so long ago...
Such a great video and some day hope to see that tractor humming along doing it's thing...Great job!
Squatch mate as always your videos have me interested from the first second to the very last second, thank you for your time and effort in making this video, also please increase the swearing level as it makes me feel like I'm closer to home!!👍😋
I guess the excitement is the challenge of the job, my last oversize job was a Falk reduction gear for a sugar cane refinery in Florida. 75hp 1 -1/2" input shaft 4" 90° output shaft. It was something like 40-1 reduction. For the vat stir paddles. & it crashed hard. The only thing that was reused was the case vaults (2) almost 2" thick huge square case's that had to have the correct gear mesh, backlash and clearance. Fun stuff rebuilding a 1/2 million dollar reduction gear, and then stand by a warranty.😵. All that destruction was caused by a $500.00 bearing that failed. Looked to be lack of lube. Everything was a real pretty blue & razor sharp metal everywhere.
In the Navy we had several small wedges that had a small grooves on both side that would fit between tangs of snap rings just enough to keep them open on a shaft. they had flags on them to "remind you they existed" it would allow you to slide them down a shaft in a situation like first gear. I don't know where we got them at but they were a help on a lone man job like that
What is this world coming to?!? Two videos in a row with humor!?! Another great video Toby, hope all is well and that the rest of the transmission and torque amplifier goes together fine for you.
Thanks for another installment, It's coming together nicely . I'm going to say if you think thats not fun, you should try working on a Deutz DX120 tractor transmission. Those things have big snap rings in , but you can't use big pliers due to room issues. I could teach you swear words you didn't know existed after tearing one apart in the wrecking yard I worked at.
The guy wanted one shaft, they are so bad for going out he came and inspected the part when the side cover was off, then said pull it out he thought it was good. When I got the shaft out it was junk, The splines had stripped in the other part it fits in twisted and locked it up. That was a $7000 brand new component from Deutz, he thought his luck was in for used at $3500. Thats 15 hours of my life I won't get back pulling it apart to ! Take care
That's when you start charging by the hour in labor for your frustration: 'Are you SURE you want me to tear into this gearbox just to see if that one part is good? I'm charging 10 bucks an HOUR for my time FIGHTING snap rings and gear splines.'
Need more! Enjoy the videos very much!!
Squatch253 don’t worry, I watch the cat videos too. I’m looking forward to the day that you get it up and goin. It’s going to be an outstanding part of history that has been brought back to life for future generations to enjoy.
Well, you get a BIG A-PLUS from me on this whole deal! Like I said, you could be a surgeon, no problem. And I like the philosophical deal. You have to have a calling for something like this to be fun but the final result IS fun, and bunches of it! I don't get into anything even CLOSE to this but when it works, there is a big 'WHEW' let out. Spring is coming and Pop can get a break on the stoking and thanks for the grin! I don't blame you AT all! Well earned!
It will be nice to see this done.
Great video enjoyed it know the fun of building top loader Ford 4 speeds those tight spots are fun! I was disappointed you said there was going to be some cursing but I didn't hear any & I was hoping to learn some new words lol
Meticulous workmanship! Very well done!
It's like being the boy who holds the flashlight for dad.! Just remember don't shake it or try to look at what he's looking like . !!! Dad said I told you rite here don't worry about what iam looking at!!you son of@$%&#!!!!! Lol good to see you are making progress!!👍 The whole not seeing doesn't bother me anymore I look after the job !!!🤣🤣
Super excited to see this pop up on my feed. Great video, SQUATCH. Getting real close to bolting some major housings together.. Going to start looking like a tractor again before you know it.
@@squatch253 Progress is progress! I can't wait to see the next phases of it when you start bolting sections together. You still have some PTO/HYD issues to figure out, correct?
@@squatch253 That thing sure was rough inside. I sure do marvel at your abilities and attention to detail, though. This thing will be BETTER than new when you get it all done. I imagine it to be like the MM at Nowthen that had very low original hours on it.... x231 is going to be one of the best examples of a FULL restoration around, for ANY tractor. I'd like to do the Farmall H memorial project to this amount of detail... But I don't know if enough money could be raised to finish it! Look forward to more updates. Progress is progress!
Great stuff. Glad to see it assembled!
Good you see you back on the mm.
I absolutely love this series! You are a talented man my friend!!
Why do you do it? Because of the natural buzz you get when you finish the task, and think "I did that". And, thankfully for us viewers, you keep coming back with more.
Finally a new video on the x231, love this series...
Very meticulous work excellent.
Looking good. You read my mind every time. I was just think about lube and then you mentioned that all was properly lubed. Nice work.
when some one says "it took three hours to fit a shaft" they never get it good video
At least Deere had the good sense to use progressive fit snap rings on that bottom shaft so they can't drop in the groove they don't belong in. of course that means they have to go on in the exact order too. I always wondered how they did it at the factory as it is a time consuming job doing it like you or I do.
7:28 Ah, yes, the age old question. When you're armpit deep in frustration and shite, and can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Just gotta keep telling yourself it's a challenge that you've got to overcome, that makes the good parts even more rewarding.
Y'know, between the cursing and resisting the urge to throw things across the room. 😆 I was thinking of that "why am I doing this and calling it fun if it isn't fun" line myself, today; as it took me two hours to make up and fit a 14" brake hard-line. It'll be worth it by the end...
Dang that's awesome. And just think that was built with old school technology!!! Those old plant workers would have thought they would have died and gone to heaven with all the new machining practices.
Mac has a special pair of pliers used for a 3 speed power shift on a 637 and 657 Cat scraper. You can take a pair of tipped spreader pliers and cut V groves and do the same thing
Looking good! Everything is so clean, you did not get your hands dirty. The clearance on that one gear that almost touches the case boss you could clip your fingernails with it!
Looks to me like those are just as "fun" to do as the bottom shaft on a JD Synchro Range or Quad Range transmission, only this one a great deal simpler. The JD has 4 snap rings, 3 thrust washers, and two sets of shift collars and hubs that all have to be strategically stacked in place as the shaft is going in.
@@squatch253 gives a guy a good excuse to have a beer or more when you're finally done with it. They made a "dummy shaft" to stack it up easier, but those seem to be as readily available as hen's teeth.
Looks to me like the difficulty encountered with that final snap ring is the reason MM did away with the spacer/sleeve and went with intermediate snap rings!
Great job!
Great video you never disappoint me. I'm real excited to see the next one. Thanks again.
Difference between work and play is attitude (in some cases). Thanks for the video.
So there is a benefit to having slender hands, especially when working on transmissions like this one. ( size 10 or large gloves for me )
I've done a few ford 3 speed transmissions back 100 years ago , or so it seems , so I'm glad to be able to just watch you do these boxes. I am no less interested though.
If something doesn't go as it should, you go right ahead and curse or swear, I'm sure most of us who follow you here, won't mind at all. I think we all understand !
Looked forward to seeing an update on this one :) Shame we diddnt get to hear the swears such as 'Son of a submarine' or 'Your father was a turnip' but I digress. Excellent progress!
"Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory." ~ General George S. Patton I am sure Toby was adequately exhilarated when the last snap ring was in place.
It makes you wonder, special tools be damned, just how long it took them to assemble one of those in the factory. That looks like it could be a good day's work even with special tools, jigs, and all the guys you wanted to help assemble it.
You can get different snap ring pliers that are like a cross between snap ring and piston ring pliers
Made for jobs like this
Makes it easier
Ya made it look easy.
Can you imagine doing that all day long.
Great progress. Keep up the fine work.
Good to see you could transition over and take some time off from the D2!....that's all I've got to say for now, with the hours I've put in with this past blizzard I'm mentally and physically exhausted, winter can end any day as far as I'm concerned!
Those ratcheting snap rings pliers are the trick. Not sure how the camera work could be any better.
very great video again !! thanks men !
interesting work, once the next shaft is in a may make more sense yet for me.
Hope Snap-off is giving you money. Never seen so much nice tools
it's to teach us apprehension for a job well done ? or maybe it's humility and to keep us humble. keep up the good work
Nice job !
Looking good boss. Reminds me of trying to get a shift fork out on a JD 3010. Had everything out of the way, Could move lots of gears and shafts around... you think I could find the one spot to give me the clearance? Four hours later...
Yeessss I’ve been waiting for this video. So excited!!!
I would be interested to see how these steps would have been done in the MM lab and or then on the 445 production line?
It would drive the Lean Engineers nutz.
Its almost as much fun as pulling injector sleeves out of the 7.3 or the 6.0
Nice!! And your video showed a lot despite the close quarters.
another great vid.,,,,,,,,,,,what kind of paint is that in the trans...??
Awesome MM stuff.
My bad! I commented on possible wear on the spacer in an earlier video. I see why they used it now! BobUK.
almost needed to make a low profile snap ring tool.
Good video and good luck. 😊
Great video of the mm but waiting on more D2 cat videos but any video is good 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Gravy sakes. That is frustration on a graduate level. You should probably drink a quart of coffee before starting on that!! :D
Nice to see that all fit. Do the end bearings need to be packed with grease or are they oiled by the transmission oil?
Awesome back to the ninny mo. I really enjoyed the cat videos but there’s just a draw to X-231 since I watched your tracked Minneapolis Moline video
Have to wonder if there isn't some sort of clip that could fit on the snap rings and keep them open.
Great video 👍🏻
The old masters were doing there thing when they designed that .
Is there a reason - other than the frustration of two more rings - that you used the spacer rather than snap rings?
WOW,,well done 😈
What is the make and model of your snap ring pliers?
snap rings are the work of the devil
looking good
Yay moar X231!!!
The tolerances are the same from production to prototype? Seems to me that gear will expand about a thousand per inch and it looks close to 10" so looking at ten thousand expansion and if you have less than 20 you really getting close. Spins nice and would hate to see it touch when it gets hot. Awesome vid.
Cast iron or cast steel expands 5.8-7.0 millionths of an inch (10^-6) per degree of temp change. The gear would be a puddle before it got hot enough to take up 20 thousandths of clearance.
Did they do it this way in production as well?
Great video as usual, how do you keep things from flash rusting in the time gaps between projects?
Squatch253 Interesting, thanks for the details, pity I’m in damp Scotland with an unlined and unheated shed.. explains a lot!
3 hours condensed into a hair under 14 minutes. I wonder how many shillings went into the curse box during this installation? Probably less than when you found those cracks in the block of #5J2115!
@@squatch253 I can only imagine how much time goes into creating and editing the video content ready for upload. I think I speak for many others who follow your channel that we all really appreciate all that additional effort.
I was waiting for the swearing,..Just for a laugh !
That’s probably why they got rid of that sleeve, and just used a circlip...
I understand why they got rid of the spacer and went with snap rings...
How many cuss words were flown during manufacturing of that entire assembly? Lol. Not to mention skinned knuckles.
Nice
Good job! Go find yourself a comfortable chair and chill
Not wanting to be a big "A" hole... but did you ever think about getting 3 sets of 90 degree snap ring pliers? that way with the ratcheting pliers you can just push the pinion in?
Three hours tedious work and no swearing, at least not audible. Congratulations!
Not sure why the one thumbs down...why?
Did you give up on the cat project?
I believe that he said that he was gonna keep looking for a good block.
@@blazerich3332 He's right sure he's got one run down.
It is getting harder and harder to restore some of this vintage equipment. As some of the parts are just not being made any more
Tight spaces, snap rings and cursing??? Say it ain't ^%*^% so. Ha!!!
I don't know if my sensitive ears can tolerate swearing, lol. I always thought cussing was required.
Who can down vote these videos?