It's funny that both Old Norse and Homeric Greek can identify age of lines/words by their mutual dropping of initial V/W sounds, and how it would affect meter.
It's cool to think that if this wasn't poetry it would be harder to determine its age. Meaning that poetry is a great way of transferring knowledge down the centuries, whether coincidental or not.
yooo Dr. Crawford so I've been watching for maybe a month or so now and i really just wanna say I love your videos and i really wish i found your channel earlier....but yeah I've been super interested in Norse myth ever since I played God of War 4 and ill be honest I am more of a beginner to all of this but its extremely intriguing to a point where I'm minorly passionate about it and your videos have taught me a lot and I really mean that. Anyway, thank you for making these videos!
I'm not gonna lie. Some of your videos go over my head. Haha. I do love being in the old places of the world though. Not half an hour from where I live in the Seqouias, there is the oldest grove of redwood trees. It is awe-inspiring. Thanks for the video.
5:53 Speaking of precise dating .... as Snorre lived before Turks conquered Constantinople and Troad right next, how do you feel on the extant text of his prologue to the Edda placing Trojaborg in Tyrkjaland?
Just to chime in with what I would mean if I said that: Philology used to be one of the principal branches of university research, and then around 1700 it lost ground to the natural sciences. Around 1800, linguistics became a discipline in its own right, and so philology came to occupy an even smaller fraction. The methods of a philologist generally consisted of getting to know as many ancient texts as possible as well as possible, and around 1900 (just as with Euclidean geometry) there arose a sentiment that that approach had been near exhausted of its potential. Now that the year is around 2000, it would be very useful to gain the insights of philologists, since so much more is known about archaeology, genetics, and linguistics. But since there are almost no university posts anymore, they're few and far between.
This is not a comment on the content of the video itself, but rather on your pronunciation of as [ʍ]. I love it! I don't think it would have existed in your native dialect of English, no? I assume it's due to your knowledge of Old Norse?
I believe Dr Crawford mentioned that he picked that from older relatives when he was a child. That wh used to be said that way in English, but has largely disappeared in the language in the last century.
Do you believe that there are possibly manuscripts of Norse myth that haven’t been discovered yet, or do you think that all of the works we have are definitively the only surviving myths and nothing else could be out there?
1:02 I am not a botanist either, but as tree ring dating has come as one challenge to Young Earth Creationism, I have obviously dealt with it. Oldest living trees, or recently dead ones, by tree ring dating have been tied to sprouting from the ground after a LXX date for the Flood. Not before it. When it comes to compounding tree rings over different samples, this is another aspect of the method, I have heard both 10 000 and 20 000 years as citations for how old that could go. There is another lignine based method, namely historic dating, sometimes leather will do for lignine though, and there is a similarity: the further back you go studying out of context samples not directly tied to the present, the less reliable the method becomes.
12:11 Ah, first part of Havamal is after all convertible to Proto-Norse and still metric! So, it could be by Odin (who- or whatever is behind the tradition of a "god" appearing in Uppsala region)! Nice!
Odin never really "appeared" in a region. He continues all of the stereotypical functions of a PIE Skyfather god into the recorded period of the religion
@@tamerofhorses2200 You miss that Pagans sometimes took human appearances as manifestations of much older and mightier gods. Like Krishna, a man who died in 3102 BC, by the Hindoos is taken as being a manifestation of Vishnu.
It's possible the trees we're seeing are protected by the surrounding trees, and since he's above the tree line there's nothing to block the wind where he's standing.
A question, unrelated to the video: did Old Norse have two different accents like present day Swedish/Norwegian? In which case Icelandic (and Faroese?) would have lost it, or did the two accent system develop after settlers moved to the aforementioned islands?
It's funny that both Old Norse and Homeric Greek can identify age of lines/words by their mutual dropping of initial V/W sounds, and how it would affect meter.
I wish I could be dating an Old Norse poem
It's cool to think that if this wasn't poetry it would be harder to determine its age. Meaning that poetry is a great way of transferring knowledge down the centuries, whether coincidental or not.
I woke up to this, thank you. 👍 This is a subject I really wanted to know more about, so I'll be listening on my way to school.
yooo Dr. Crawford so I've been watching for maybe a month or so now and i really just wanna say I love your videos and i really wish i found your channel earlier....but yeah I've been super interested in Norse myth ever since I played God of War 4 and ill be honest I am more of a beginner to all of this but its extremely intriguing to a point where I'm minorly passionate about it and your videos have taught me a lot and I really mean that. Anyway, thank you for making these videos!
I'm not gonna lie. Some of your videos go over my head. Haha. I do love being in the old places of the world though. Not half an hour from where I live in the Seqouias, there is the oldest grove of redwood trees. It is awe-inspiring. Thanks for the video.
Very interesting, I've always wondered how linguists know when something is written in that time's original language and when it isn't.
That's not the sort of dating i was expecting. Nevertheless, I am never disappointment by your videos.
Intense lol
“Fill in the blank, I’m not a botanist.” That’s pretty funny.
I have read that the King James Bible was written in pre-1600s “archaic” English.
Damn dr JC rocking that moustachio
5:53 Speaking of precise dating .... as Snorre lived before Turks conquered Constantinople and Troad right next, how do you feel on the extant text of his prologue to the Edda placing Trojaborg in Tyrkjaland?
What do you mean by your comment about philologists?
Just to chime in with what I would mean if I said that:
Philology used to be one of the principal branches of university research, and then around 1700 it lost ground to the natural sciences. Around 1800, linguistics became a discipline in its own right, and so philology came to occupy an even smaller fraction. The methods of a philologist generally consisted of getting to know as many ancient texts as possible as well as possible, and around 1900 (just as with Euclidean geometry) there arose a sentiment that that approach had been near exhausted of its potential. Now that the year is around 2000, it would be very useful to gain the insights of philologists, since so much more is known about archaeology, genetics, and linguistics. But since there are almost no university posts anymore, they're few and far between.
Is that a 10X felt hat? What type of hat?
Love this vid ❤️
Farfar was pretty good at dating old Norse. That was how he ended up with Bestemor!
This is not a comment on the content of the video itself, but rather on your pronunciation of as [ʍ]. I love it! I don't think it would have existed in your native dialect of English, no? I assume it's due to your knowledge of Old Norse?
I believe Dr Crawford mentioned that he picked that from older relatives when he was a child. That wh used to be said that way in English, but has largely disappeared in the language in the last century.
Do you believe that there are possibly manuscripts of Norse myth that haven’t been discovered yet, or do you think that all of the works we have are definitively the only surviving myths and nothing else could be out there?
1:02 I am not a botanist either, but as tree ring dating has come as one challenge to Young Earth Creationism, I have obviously dealt with it.
Oldest living trees, or recently dead ones, by tree ring dating have been tied to sprouting from the ground after a LXX date for the Flood. Not before it.
When it comes to compounding tree rings over different samples, this is another aspect of the method, I have heard both 10 000 and 20 000 years as citations for how old that could go. There is another lignine based method, namely historic dating, sometimes leather will do for lignine though, and there is a similarity: the further back you go studying out of context samples not directly tied to the present, the less reliable the method becomes.
Put a windscreen on that lav mic Doc. Maybe even a "dead cat", when it's this windy.
12:11 Ah, first part of Havamal is after all convertible to Proto-Norse and still metric!
So, it could be by Odin (who- or whatever is behind the tradition of a "god" appearing in Uppsala region)!
Nice!
subtitles show "a dolphin rain tested this"
So much for computer linguistics, what is the real spelling of "a dolphin rain"?
Adolf Ring?
Odin never really "appeared" in a region. He continues all of the stereotypical functions of a PIE Skyfather god into the recorded period of the religion
@@tamerofhorses2200 You miss that Pagans sometimes took human appearances as manifestations of much older and mightier gods.
Like Krishna, a man who died in 3102 BC, by the Hindoos is taken as being a manifestation of Vishnu.
@@tamerofhorses2200 If as a Hector you prefer the deities of the Poet of your namesake "hektoros hippodamoio" ... who was Mentor?
Why don't the trees move in the wind?
It's possible the trees we're seeing are protected by the surrounding trees, and since he's above the tree line there's nothing to block the wind where he's standing.
They do, watch closely.
They've been practicing for thousands of years at resisting the wind. Must get boring eventually doing nothing.
A question, unrelated to the video: did Old Norse have two different accents like present day Swedish/Norwegian? In which case Icelandic (and Faroese?) would have lost it, or did the two accent system develop after settlers moved to the aforementioned islands?
Didn‘t knew that *Ramsey Dewey* was interested in Norse Mythology 🤔