Maybe 15 hours if you go by Mitchel Scanlon novel “Fifteen Hours”. Krieg is a whole different beast compared to other Astra Militarum groups. It’s more of how many bodies are you willing to expend for an objective. Best representation of this mindset is the novel “Krieg” by Steve Lyons.
It just a regular Commissars job. On Vraks they had to execute full bataillons who refused to keep fighting and where running back to their own trench (when trying to breach the second defense line if I remember correctly)
No that's just the online headcanon. Just like the idea that Kriegers are suicidal maniacs that charge Chaos Marines with their shovels. The lore is this: The Krieg Commissars are morale officers just like any Commissars. Kriegers break just as any other regiment and they don't swing their shovels around. On Vraks their morale actually broke and they fled so so much for the unbreakable maniacs the Internet makes them out. Kriegers *do* have a very pragmatic view of life and will die to achieve a certain goal (even if that goal is just to advance the front line a few meters). They are skilled fighters and use tactics and thus by the very definition they don't spend their lives easily. I find it a crying shame that the Death Korps have been reduced to a meme regiment. It's very reductive and takes away from their lore and character.
@@Onk3lM0 actually the commissars of Krieg do sometimes have to stop the men from charging to far ahead and being killed they also have faced being killed by their men for stopping them from charging cuz the commissars are not from krieg and do not know the reason why the men of krieg fight the way they do some with time understand the reason but they also know that it’s useless to waste men
@@andrewramsdale sure but that is neither an inherent quality of Krieg (read Gaunt's Ghosts series. Incompetent Commissars that don't understand or work with their regiment are common) nor does it occur in such a frequent way that it's a "thing" Krieg is known for.
I'm approximately two weeks into this hobby (started with the Militarum Combat Patrol), and just want to say this was a really nice, low-key and fun way to learn about these units.
I love how most of us are here to use minis as battle tokens to enact a plan of war and duel our opponent in a battle of wits, meanwhile Dave is literally here to play with his dollies - and he is 100% unashamed and unapologetic. You stay you Dave ❤
Love DKoK, have a large collection myself but no Forge World resin, only 3rd party and 7 boxes of the old "Veteran Guardsmen" from the earlier Kill Team set and many many tanks. Keep it up Dave, great vids
theres actually 2 command squads from frogeworld, the one in the video is the company command squad which is the hq unit, there is also the line command squad which was back when troop slots were a thing and you could put several infantry squads in a single troop slot beause guard, the line command was where the vox was the solar auxillia use this format in the horus heresy for their infantry tercios
1. Commissars are trained in the schola progenium. Depending on what they do and where they are posted some even get to retire, imagine that. But yes, the casualty rate is quite high. 2. The average guardsman/woman lasts 5 minutes in combat. 3. The commissars attached to the death korps (commissars usually arent from the same world as the regiment they serve in) have a quite difficult job. They usually dont need to execute soldiers, since krieg corpsmen usually are very disciplined and devout, but rather restrain them from headlong suicidal charges and take on their other responsibility of being advisors to commanders , often cautioning the krieg commanders to not waste their men in useless meatgrinders, but rather save their strength for important battles. 4. The quartermasters often dont just mercykill mortaly wounded soldiers on the battlefield, but also take out their blood in transfusions to save it for those who can be treated.
Thought the same but I learned that they are actually a conglomeration of different WW1 uniforms. Their coats are French, helmets German, gas mask English and so on.
I don't know how 40K uses Combat Engineers, but in the real world, they're usually the ones that clear minefields and obstacles that would hinder tanks and mechanized infantry from moving forward during assault, they also tend to do any demolitions or breaching of fortified bunkers that is needed. and yes, they can also build bridges and that sort of thing.
Came to the comments to see if my fellow kreigers correted your bit on Commissars, and it looks like they did. Normally the Commissar ensures the troops face and charge the enemy, but in the case of DKOK they intentionally stymy their zeal or try to hold them back where necessary, to avoid overwhelming and unnecessary casualties.
I'd like to go over the lore a bit more: Certain parts of the internet have sadly made the Death Korps a meme, all about how Kriegers will suicide charge the most rediculous situations with just their trench shovel and just kill their Commissars when they try to keep them from running to their death like headless chickens. I find that very reductive and whilst I can chuckle at the silly memes it has gotten to a point where this awesome army with a rich backstory is just the "haha, shovel goes brrrt" faction. So I'd like to take this opportunity and explain the actual Death Korps: Commissars assigned to the Death Korps of Krieg don't have the primary directive of "stop the men from running into enemy gunfire". They are morale officers just like any other Commissar out there. As Dave explained Kriegers carry the eternal guilt of their forefather that once betrayed the imperium and thus they think of themselves as "unworthy" and having to cleanse their bad name via glorious death in service to the Emperor. However, that doesn't mean they want to die and just throw their lives away. In fact they want to serve the imperium as best they can. That usually means winning wars and you don't win wars by blindly dying at every opportunity. Their grim outlook on life just makes them take on missions other regiments would hestitate. Need to crawl 3 kilometers through a tunnel we dug and explode these melta charges under the enemy's ammunition depot, which will 100% vaporise you in the process? Kriegers will do it. Need a unit to stay behind and hold the line while the rest retreats? Kriegers will give you three units (if you want). And so on. Life is a currency to be expended to win the war but that doesn't mean life is cheaply thrown away. Kriegers, whilst indoctrinated for war from a young age, aren't emotionless killers that'll never break no matter what hell you send them into. The civil war on Krieg itself saw regiments regularly breaking each others morale. And famously the Siege of Vraks also saw Kriegers morale break and retreat. They are absolutely hardass warriors, each and every one of them, but they are still human.
I find the name of the lances on the cavarly to be hillarious because fire lances were probably the first firearm used....and GW just took the concept and changed the name.
Death Korps are best Korps. I have a personal fascination with anything WW1 related. The cavalry are interesting to me on two levels. In fluff terms the notion that they are for flanking makes the Death Korps the most ambitiously optimistic troups in the game. Trench and seige warfare are pretty notorious for not actually having flanks to attack. Thats a hallmark of that type of combat really lol. On a personal level horses were a big deal in WW1. Horses were used to shift arty and supplies around. My great grandfather (mothers side) served in WW1 in an artlillery regiment as one of the horse dudes. By some odd coincindence my other great grandfather (fathers side) worked on the home front training the horses that went to France (and probably got blown up often).
@ Man, I bought a bombard for my Krieg and dry fitted the gun with the huge shell, looked awesome. But then I looked up the stats - S6???? I’m just going to proxy it as something else.
Can't go wrong with Siege Studios. They did a custom Gabriel Seth and Sanguinor for me and I'm happy with both. Alternatively, Blightforge on IG makes epic grim dark conversions. I have a Kharn by him, and it's glorious.
How much of the lore got butchered here, Jesus. So the short version. Planet's government gone rogue, said "fuck the Imperium", the loyalist held out in a hive city in a last stand, the Imperium seen the planet as a lost cause so refused to send help, then the loyalists thought to themselves if the Emperor can't have the planet, nobody should, so dig up an old human weapon system from under the hive city, which turned out to be a bunch of nuclear warheads, which would have been easy target for the much more up-to-date missile defense systems, so instead they detonated them in atmosphere, not the surface. This turned the already battle-scarred Krieg into a nuclear wasteland, which favored the loyalists, as they have been well prepared for this. 500 years of brutal trench warfare ensued and eventually the loyalist won. When the Imperium turned up, they demanded Krieg the tithe the planet owed them, and Krieg gave 20 regiment instead of the expected 1 or 2. All geared up for the worst of the worst, the Krieg then become one of the most feared of the Imperial Guard, not only to the enemy, but for the Imperium forces as well, as to the Krieg's request they get deployed only to the harshest, most unlikely to turn victorious battles because of how determined and hard to kill they are, so when a casual guardsmen sees the Krieg arriving to "reinforce" them, it means the situation has gone to absolute shit. Some source also suggest they are vat-grown.
My brain vomits every time someone says Astra Militarum instead of Imperial Guard. You are not alone. Have a lot of trouble enjoying 40k since they changed the names of everything. Feel like they ripped off their own universe then buried the original one. Those aren't Dark Eldar! they are Dark Aeldariaeiou. I ran out vowels to attach to them so I'll just use latin.
@@forevermorbid8949well honestly just go outside of the hobby for awhile because this is sad. It’s literally still called and known as the same thing stop being weirdly passionate over the most irrelevant thing. Especially for warhammer specifically that is so far from a thing to be upset about
@@Wolfbroa I have, I collect Flames of War now. Don't worry I don't go out of my way to flame about it normally, he just gave a mention to it. Now that 40k is becoming popular outside of just miniatures its rubs in the renaming. Being opinionated isn't a bad thing so long as you aren't flailing your opinions around at everyone all the time. A lot of the new names are cringe.
What’s the life expectancy of a Kriegsman vs Guardsman? Most accurate answer lives twice as long ❤
7 ½ hours
@@Mr_Quimper Just couldn't make it 8 hours eh?
For the average guardsman, life expectancy on the battlefield is measured in hours. For the kriegsmen? Minutes.
Maybe 15 hours if you go by Mitchel Scanlon novel “Fifteen Hours”. Krieg is a whole different beast compared to other Astra Militarum groups. It’s more of how many bodies are you willing to expend for an objective. Best representation of this mindset is the novel “Krieg” by Steve Lyons.
depends, are you at the front of the line or are you traitorous scum?
If memory serves the Krieg Commissars have the job of keeping the troops from running into battle, rather than from battle.
It just a regular Commissars job. On Vraks they had to execute full bataillons who refused to keep fighting and where running back to their own trench (when trying to breach the second defense line if I remember correctly)
No that's just the online headcanon. Just like the idea that Kriegers are suicidal maniacs that charge Chaos Marines with their shovels.
The lore is this:
The Krieg Commissars are morale officers just like any Commissars.
Kriegers break just as any other regiment and they don't swing their shovels around. On Vraks their morale actually broke and they fled so so much for the unbreakable maniacs the Internet makes them out.
Kriegers *do* have a very pragmatic view of life and will die to achieve a certain goal (even if that goal is just to advance the front line a few meters). They are skilled fighters and use tactics and thus by the very definition they don't spend their lives easily.
I find it a crying shame that the Death Korps have been reduced to a meme regiment. It's very reductive and takes away from their lore and character.
@@Onk3lM0 as if 40k community actually reads their own lore. flanderization within, flanderization without
@@Onk3lM0 actually the commissars of Krieg do sometimes have to stop the men from charging to far ahead and being killed they also have faced being killed by their men for stopping them from charging cuz the commissars are not from krieg and do not know the reason why the men of krieg fight the way they do some with time understand the reason but they also know that it’s useless to waste men
@@andrewramsdale sure but that is neither an inherent quality of Krieg (read Gaunt's Ghosts series. Incompetent Commissars that don't understand or work with their regiment are common) nor does it occur in such a frequent way that it's a "thing" Krieg is known for.
I frigging love the Death Korps of Krieg. Can't wait for the new models to come out.
I'm approximately two weeks into this hobby (started with the Militarum Combat Patrol), and just want to say this was a really nice, low-key and fun way to learn about these units.
I love how most of us are here to use minis as battle tokens to enact a plan of war and duel our opponent in a battle of wits, meanwhile Dave is literally here to play with his dollies - and he is 100% unashamed and unapologetic. You stay you Dave ❤
Facts.
I think the death Korps are the best regiment by far and am super siked for there new plastic models
Same. New models look cool.
Looking forward to starting a Krieg army, pretty cool army showcase vid. I really liked the format :)
This channel rocks. Keep moving.
Watching daddy Dave tell me a story was weirdly nice and soothing.
great video dave, death corps krieg (unendng and (so far) uncaring waves of mass casualties) has analogies in 2024 warfare too! thank you Sir!:)
Krieg were my first army and my gateway to being such an avid enthusiast for the Imperial Guard.
Yea, I gotta agree a 40k army based on Rohan would very awesome to see.
Fantastic video Dave
The lenses of your Quartermaster's mask go exceptionally hard, I must figure out how to recreate it lol.
Brilliant video and may I just say, for the emperor 😅😅
Really great job! 🌟🌟🌟🌟
Love DKoK, have a large collection myself but no Forge World resin, only 3rd party and 7 boxes of the old "Veteran Guardsmen" from the earlier Kill Team set and many many tanks. Keep it up Dave, great vids
I love that the DKOK is a hommage to the 1st world war soldiers, mixing French and German soldiers elements.
So cool
theres actually 2 command squads from frogeworld, the one in the video is the company command squad which is the hq unit, there is also the line command squad which was back when troop slots were a thing and you could put several infantry squads in a single troop slot beause guard, the line command was where the vox was
the solar auxillia use this format in the horus heresy for their infantry tercios
Kept moving today. Got over a mile walking with the dog…..and Farsighted is the Bomb.
Honestly can't wait to see the new models painted in this super dirty grimdark style, I think they're gonna look rad.
The "bumper" on the colossus is a spade. It lowers into the earth to prevent the howitzer from rolling back from recoil.
15:05 the bumper you mentioned is also used to dig in the ground so when the gun fires it goes get kicked back becuase of the recoil
Interesting. What is it about the DKoK that draws you?
lol, @@MWG_Dave AI responses are crazy... Recoil. Recoil, draws us back.
Imagine Krieg on horse army versus mounted daemons of Khorne. That would be an epic ride.
Yarrick omnibus, fantastic book, highly recommended.
1. Commissars are trained in the schola progenium. Depending on what they do and where they are posted some even get to retire, imagine that. But yes, the casualty rate is quite high.
2. The average guardsman/woman lasts 5 minutes in combat.
3. The commissars attached to the death korps (commissars usually arent from the same world as the regiment they serve in) have a quite difficult job. They usually dont need to execute soldiers, since krieg corpsmen usually are very disciplined and devout, but rather restrain them from headlong suicidal charges and take on their other responsibility of being advisors to commanders , often cautioning the krieg commanders to not waste their men in useless meatgrinders, but rather save their strength for important battles.
4. The quartermasters often dont just mercykill mortaly wounded soldiers on the battlefield, but also take out their blood in transfusions to save it for those who can be treated.
. . . And now for the Steel Legion refresh, come on GW ! ! !
They look like WW1 german soldiers. I might start collecting them soon. Especially the cavalry models.
Thought the same but I learned that they are actually a conglomeration of different WW1 uniforms. Their coats are French, helmets German, gas mask English and so on.
@@Onk3lM0French German and English like u said the ones that are pure German in looks are steel legion
I don't know how 40K uses Combat Engineers, but in the real world, they're usually the ones that clear minefields and obstacles that would hinder tanks and mechanized infantry from moving forward during assault, they also tend to do any demolitions or breaching of fortified bunkers that is needed. and yes, they can also build bridges and that sort of thing.
I hope we can get a plastic mecharious soon, my dkok needs a vulkan variant
Damn, that collection is worth a small fortune.
Half tracks FTW!
Love you Dave
such a shame their models were obscenely overpriced for a generation (and now they're in plastic, just normally overpriced)
It's probably so owner's of the old models don't feel ripped off
Grimguard 3D printed armies, you’re welcome
Came to the comments to see if my fellow kreigers correted your bit on Commissars, and it looks like they did. Normally the Commissar ensures the troops face and charge the enemy, but in the case of DKOK they intentionally stymy their zeal or try to hold them back where necessary, to avoid overwhelming and unnecessary casualties.
Like zombie voodoo terminators, the chances of a ladybug landing on your sleeve is low, but never zero.
I'd like to go over the lore a bit more:
Certain parts of the internet have sadly made the Death Korps a meme, all about how Kriegers will suicide charge the most rediculous situations with just their trench shovel and just kill their Commissars when they try to keep them from running to their death like headless chickens.
I find that very reductive and whilst I can chuckle at the silly memes it has gotten to a point where this awesome army with a rich backstory is just the "haha, shovel goes brrrt" faction.
So I'd like to take this opportunity and explain the actual Death Korps:
Commissars assigned to the Death Korps of Krieg don't have the primary directive of "stop the men from running into enemy gunfire". They are morale officers just like any other Commissar out there. As Dave explained Kriegers carry the eternal guilt of their forefather that once betrayed the imperium and thus they think of themselves as "unworthy" and having to cleanse their bad name via glorious death in service to the Emperor. However, that doesn't mean they want to die and just throw their lives away. In fact they want to serve the imperium as best they can. That usually means winning wars and you don't win wars by blindly dying at every opportunity. Their grim outlook on life just makes them take on missions other regiments would hestitate. Need to crawl 3 kilometers through a tunnel we dug and explode these melta charges under the enemy's ammunition depot, which will 100% vaporise you in the process? Kriegers will do it. Need a unit to stay behind and hold the line while the rest retreats? Kriegers will give you three units (if you want). And so on. Life is a currency to be expended to win the war but that doesn't mean life is cheaply thrown away.
Kriegers, whilst indoctrinated for war from a young age, aren't emotionless killers that'll never break no matter what hell you send them into. The civil war on Krieg itself saw regiments regularly breaking each others morale. And famously the Siege of Vraks also saw Kriegers morale break and retreat. They are absolutely hardass warriors, each and every one of them, but they are still human.
That Drill makes surprising technical sense, for being a 40K model...
I find the name of the lances on the cavarly to be hillarious because fire lances were probably the first firearm used....and GW just took the concept and changed the name.
Great grimy style
Love all tanks 😊
I like the old minis better, I don’t know if it’s the crunchy grim feeling but ya
Death Korps are best Korps. I have a personal fascination with anything WW1 related. The cavalry are interesting to me on two levels. In fluff terms the notion that they are for flanking makes the Death Korps the most ambitiously optimistic troups in the game. Trench and seige warfare are pretty notorious for not actually having flanks to attack. Thats a hallmark of that type of combat really lol.
On a personal level horses were a big deal in WW1. Horses were used to shift arty and supplies around. My great grandfather (mothers side) served in WW1 in an artlillery regiment as one of the horse dudes. By some odd coincindence my other great grandfather (fathers side) worked on the home front training the horses that went to France (and probably got blown up often).
There combat engineers! They blow stuff up, build bridges,dig tunnels! They fix your damn car!
Rumor has it that Kreg are mostly clones, thus mass casualties are no big thing.
That’s a lot of shovels 👀
I keep wanting to see these painted in feldgrau or with head-swaps to French infantry helmets.
Cool army, but very expensive. 👍🏽🙏👍🇳🇱🇺🇸💙❤️💜
The gorgon reminds me of WW2 landing craft.
I really wanted a Macharius for my Krieg army and I was waiting to buy it as a graduation present for myself, now it's gone.
Not just the Macharius tanks, but also the Bombard, Praetor and a host of other models.
@ Man, I bought a bombard for my Krieg and dry fitted the gun with the huge shell, looked awesome. But then I looked up the stats - S6???? I’m just going to proxy it as something else.
In your opinion, who would be the best professional to commission a unique miniature, including both conversion and painting?
Can't go wrong with Siege Studios. They did a custom Gabriel Seth and Sanguinor for me and I'm happy with both. Alternatively, Blightforge on IG makes epic grim dark conversions. I have a Kharn by him, and it's glorious.
What colors did you use on the tanks...(*To paint the future kriegs and tanks)
Taurox half tracks would look better than wheels or tracks only
Yeah Buddy!
RIP SODAZ's 40k animations.
Do all of these have 10th date sheets
Beautiful, but I’m a little sad the hades breaching drill won’t be remade
But does it need to be remade?
More showcases!!!!!!!!!
Ayy i have an army much like that. But that rusty vibe might make me repaint them all. Again. 😭
Commissars are trained from a young age for the job. IIRC
I wish have all tanks. I'm collecting tanks.. only have 4 tanks.😢
This is trench crusade
Theyre also based off the french in ww2
oof... kireg JUSt got their refresh lmao
Kriegsmen don't run away... The issue is they run forward too much
Ask Poles why would they take horses to the tank fight back in 1939 😐
Why is he pronouncing korps like core?
please, just find real art for the backdrops, there is so much of it you dont need the ai slop
0:51 AI images?? 🤮🤮🤮
How much of the lore got butchered here, Jesus. So the short version. Planet's government gone rogue, said "fuck the Imperium", the loyalist held out in a hive city in a last stand, the Imperium seen the planet as a lost cause so refused to send help, then the loyalists thought to themselves if the Emperor can't have the planet, nobody should, so dig up an old human weapon system from under the hive city, which turned out to be a bunch of nuclear warheads, which would have been easy target for the much more up-to-date missile defense systems, so instead they detonated them in atmosphere, not the surface. This turned the already battle-scarred Krieg into a nuclear wasteland, which favored the loyalists, as they have been well prepared for this. 500 years of brutal trench warfare ensued and eventually the loyalist won. When the Imperium turned up, they demanded Krieg the tithe the planet owed them, and Krieg gave 20 regiment instead of the expected 1 or 2. All geared up for the worst of the worst, the Krieg then become one of the most feared of the Imperial Guard, not only to the enemy, but for the Imperium forces as well, as to the Krieg's request they get deployed only to the harshest, most unlikely to turn victorious battles because of how determined and hard to kill they are, so when a casual guardsmen sees the Krieg arriving to "reinforce" them, it means the situation has gone to absolute shit. Some source also suggest they are vat-grown.
There’s no suggestion, cloning is explicitly stated in the Krieg novel
He’s a heretic
You could have dusted them off first
Oh, but I didn't just so you could leave this comment ;)
@@MWG_Dave Cost you watch time and future views though, but hey comments are cool I guess
Lol one of the largest shills on YT
My brain vomits every time someone says Astra Militarum instead of Imperial Guard. You are not alone. Have a lot of trouble enjoying 40k since they changed the names of everything. Feel like they ripped off their own universe then buried the original one. Those aren't Dark Eldar! they are Dark Aeldariaeiou. I ran out vowels to attach to them so I'll just use latin.
Its for the purposes of copyright.
@@damnationdan5253 Yeah I am aware it is. Understandable with it being GW, but doesn't make me any less passionately against the decision.
@@forevermorbid8949well honestly just go outside of the hobby for awhile because this is sad. It’s literally still called and known as the same thing stop being weirdly passionate over the most irrelevant thing. Especially for warhammer specifically that is so far from a thing to be upset about
@@Wolfbroa I have, I collect Flames of War now. Don't worry I don't go out of my way to flame about it normally, he just gave a mention to it. Now that 40k is becoming popular outside of just miniatures its rubs in the renaming. Being opinionated isn't a bad thing so long as you aren't flailing your opinions around at everyone all the time. A lot of the new names are cringe.
i liked this, show off more minis, too few showcases on youtube cant find inspiration :(
Will do!
TF is all the T'au hate about? They're badass. .
RIP SODAZ's 40k animations.