Top Thrill 2 Doesn't Make ANY Sense
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2023
- Top Thrill 2 is opening next year, and I couldn't be more excited for it! But, ever since the announcement of the ride, there have been a few key aspects of the ride that just don't make sense to me. What are they? Watch to find out!
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Another thing to keep in mind - Dragster's flat plate incident happened the same year CP closed Wicked Twister. This meant they could use the 2022 season to gauge how much the public missed it. So even though they were in discussions with Intamin, they probably decided taking a risk on Zamperla was value added because two launches wouldn't be an option with them. They'd be guaranteed a ride that reminds guests of Wicked Twister's launches while keeping the top hat of Dragster. Then, they'd only need to work with Intamin to the extend needed to maintain Maverick, Millie, and Wilderness Run. All while donating Wicked Twister's spares to Valleyfair! and Dorney. Not a bad deal, all things considered.
Here's the thing though: they eliminated the part that flew off. The proximity plates that caused the accidents are no longer there. They replaced that entire system with a new, modernized digital proximity sensor system that doesn't require plates at all. The same kind of accident literally cannot happen again.
Very good points!
More importantly, Zamperla promised their new train design involving no welded parts, meaning either the whole train stays on or the whole train comes off, this is probably what saved cp from having to move the queue line as it eliminates the threat of any pieces falling off.
@@justinsimons5633It's still got bolts and wheels. There's still parts that can fly off, though it's much, much less likely to happen now.
This thing should have been demolished after the incident
Something else definitely could still happen. Something could conceivably work itself loose and out. It IS machinery and therefore the words NEVER CAN HAPPEN AGAIN is speculation at best. Hopefully nothing will happen.
I'd hoped CP would repaint Dragster purple and rename it "UV: Ultimate Velocity". If you're effectively adding 2 straight sections at 90+ mph, it makes sense to sell the GP on how fast you're going. But I'm guessing CP instead wanted to remind guests how much of Dragster is staying the same. From the parking lot and entrance, the spike will *absurdly dominate* everything else around it. It's almost 3 TIMES as tall as Rougarou's lift hill! It's only when you reach the end of the main midway that the top hat will come into full view. And then the casual guest who hasn't been following any of construction updates can see the rest of the structure is the same.
I remember going to CP when the spike was halfway done, and it was already looking INSANE, so I agree!
Its a financial decision. The ride is really gonna be costly to remove. Also the rides footprint isn't that big. The ride was popular and does have a high thrill. They did the best most affordable option they could... and we still have a ride over 400 feet. I think it's as good as it was gonna get. Let's go enjoy.
That’s very true!
They're focus is no longer on the best and most high thrill rides. They've shifted their focus to resorts, lodging, and dining. This is why they have been going very cheap on the rides recently and not spending much in that department. They could have reopened the original.
@@alecscheerer_rundidn’t know that 16 million dollars is “cheap” as for the queue it’s 100% covered with impact resistant steel, the same used on the underside of cars, so it should be very good at protecting guests from debris.
@alexcutionman4569 its undercarriage 😂
@@aann2939 actually the correct term would be chassis
Finally someone is talking about the incident with real acknowledgement. I feel it’s been brushed under so much to make space for “new ride! new ride!”
The new queue is covered according to the renderings to protect guests. Cedar Point doesn't have a lot of extra space to reroute the queue.
That’s a good point
They have more room and space that the GP doesn't realize.
Ok take advice from a coaster enthusiast
If the ride is high maintenance and doesn’t get good ridership they’ll remove it
Hydraulic launches like found on the one on top thrill dragster are very unreliable but fast, while LSM what is found on the new coaster doesn’t need to be reset and is very reliable
I honestly just thought adding a gated over head fencing over the queue was perfect
true, the new version is awesome, though!
@@CoasterVerse I do like it but I just think hydraulic launch was iconic and shouldn’t have been replace even if it had to for the spike
Literally nothing, and I’m sure cedar point wouldn’t try to take the record for tallest spike anyway but they did.
The accident was mostly just the final nail in the coffin for the remodel. The biggest reason is actual because they couldn't keep the damn thing running with the hydraulic system. I honestly think the remodel would have happened eventually no matter what because of Cedar Fair's shaky relationship with intamin and the horrible reliability issues, but the accident forced that timeline to speed up. I think the name was chosen because TTD was such a popular ride, they want people to still be drawn in by the Top Thrill Dragster name while still selling it as something different.
Very true!
to me, the remodel adds profits, reliability, and an assurance to the guests that mistakes were fixed to assure safety concerns. Many people make analogies to re-inventing the wheel. Cedar Point is talking this wheel, adding Alloy, dope rims, spinner rims, stronger materials, etc (My Wheel analogy is literally an analogy, these are just my way of saying it's gonna be better, BTW and has nothing to do with the ride itself)
Good points!
I don't see how you're points make the ride any better.
@@alecscheerer_run Without them fixing the problems, there would be no ride, yes?
I'll take this version of Top Thrill over zero version.
do you guys plan to open attractions that enthusiasts will enjoy like how you strived to do in the past?@@ScottyMania313
that's a heart attack 120 200 your not ok
I feel like they could've pulled it off without the spike. They would just have to REALLY up the power of the LSMs to reach top speed in the same amount of time as the original hydraulic launch.
Very true
There's a ride in Dubai that achieved this feet almost. 112 in 6 seconds. The problem is the ride basically has its own power grid because the load would literally destroy dubais power grid. They have massive super capacitors just to power the lsms and still can only git 112 in 6 seconds. Ultimately its just easier to use a swing launch
Correction it was Spain. My brother told me the wrong location
@@marciimeris503edit it then dont need to put the bottom bit
I feel like when they changed one thing, it led to many other needed changes. A very detailed project
Definitely!
Considering dragster did work right from day one and lost more parts than a plate. Remember the dragster tires , launch cables, hydraulic motors blown .
True!
The 0 to 120 in 4 seconds for me was the best part of the original dragster. This version just seems to be a souped up but shorter wicked twister. However, I do belive TT2 will be a good ride it just won't be as good as the first.
That’s very true!
The remodel was the final nail in the coffin after Cedar Point's long battle with the original dragster - they hated this ride the second it opened (as well as Intamin), and now they had an excuse to finally close it and axe the hydraulic launch system that was giving them so many problems.
#1 - the line is longer now because the ride is longer
#2 - why not add in a hill after the hump, like Kinga Ka. Coming down and just going straight and flat is boring
It’s a good idea to remodel this because it would have always been Kingda Ka’s little bitch.
0:17 “slightly” 💀
Hahaha
@@CoasterVerse you don’t know the power of dragster’s old launch.
Everyone hating on it still gonna ride it over and over
Time for another live premiere
Let’s do this
There putting an anning over the wating area so if debry were to hapen to fly off again it would hit the tent ⛺️ not people
Okay, that’s good!
I think the park wanted to get rid of it and Zamperla offered to do the project at a very low rate to build their portfolio. CF as a company bought a lot of zamperla this past yeat
I hope the launch is only slightly weaker. The original launch was my favorite part of the park.
It definitely seemed like the best part of the ride
That hydraulic launch can't be replaced. Top Thrill Dragster was my favorite coaster and the launch made the ride what it was. They've taken out the best part of it and downgraded it. The new launches will be far weaker and won't provide anything memorable.
@@alecscheerer_run Agreed. Hopefully, the first launch's acceleration at least is on par with Red Force's. Some youtube comments have questioned if it will be weaker than Maverick's launch tunnel. If it is, that would suck.
@eddieholt8222 We better hope so. My worry with that is that it only reaches 74mph on a pretty long section of track. If it takes that entire time to reach 74, then it'll have a weak acceleration to it
@@alecscheerer_run I hope the time to reach 74 seconds is one to two seconds not the entire time. That is exactly what I am worried about. I wish Cedar Point would announce the acceleration specs.
Can we ge a drop ride in the middle of the track like Kingda ka? That would be great.
Everyone knows it’s the same ride so even if they changed the entire name we all know it’s still the same ride. So I really don’t think they were trying to erase any memory.. most people who are not coaster or theme park enthusiasts don’t even know about the incident.. I literally forgot about it and I’ve been to cedar point a few times.. new ride looks cool though… I think it needed a new update.
The remake is Top Thrill Disaster. They’re ruining it with lessor ride. Everyone knows it but drink the kool aid and fiercely defend it. So weird how people are pumped for what is objectively a down grade.
Not sure how it’s a downgrade when it went from one launch to three and from a 17 second ride over 2 minutes. The people complaining are getting ridiculous at this point.
Good they didn't re-name it Top Thrill parts ejector II
No kidding 😅
you have ruined my day, i was reading this and i spit water all over my keyboard and one key dosent work anymore
Come on. Everyone wanted to experience the roll back, now we can will an extra thrill
I'm not going on Top Thrill 2. It isn't safe.
They wouldn’t open the ride if it wasn’t safe, many safety precautions are being taken to make sure that it’s as safe as possible!
This video from CoasterVerse 1 is really good value!
Thank you!
Let me act like I know what’s going on
NO WAY ITS NYTERBLX
0:00 hyperia? i cannot care about top thrill 2 and im american. im gonna visit uk for Thorpe park 😂
Its just wicked twister taller and faster meh I could skip completely
So a few points to make. The change from hydraulic to lsm. Anyone whose worked in a field with hydraulic systems in place knows how finnicky they can be. The littlest leak can cause a pressure drop enough to shut down these systems.
Lsm launches are much more reliable as theyre just magnets + electricity. No pressure system involved. No valves, no massive rotating drum. No what was it.. 36 hydraulic motors?
The downside of lsm is the power required for a launch equal to top thrills original launch is EXTREMELY excessive. So much so that the ride dubai that has an lsm launch that hits 112mph in 6 seconds basically has its own power grid with massive supercapaciters.
The injury caused them to look into modernizing the ride and as they looked they realized there were so many issues that could be fixed and the culmination of the issues led to this revamp.
The new trains will be lighter and require less maintenance as they will have 0 welds. Thats why they chose zamperla despite intamin lsm being a much more forceful launch (as evidenced when comparing motocoaster in darien lake to maverick At cedar point)
Will this be a welcome change? Maybe maybe not. But it sure is a change that was needed for the ride.
From a personal rider stand point, i look at it like this, to me the ride was worth it once per trip for the acceleration and then id go ride the maverick, steve, gatekeeper, etc all atleast 3+ times per trip. Now with these changes maybe the ride will be worth more rides per trip. Who knows tho
Those are all really good points! The unreliability of dragster was insane, I’ve been going since I was one years old, it was closed at least 1-2 times each time I would go!
@@CoasterVerse I remember my first trip to Great adventure kingda ka was down the entire week.
Lsms while much less intense are just so much more reliable. In fact to this day my second favorite ride ever is an lsm launch coaster.
I still remember my first ride on maverick. Remember approaching the lift hill and being like "where's the chain" and then zoom! But what caught me really off guard was the 2nd launch.
I remember getting in line thinking "this will just be a filler ride between the cool big stuff!" And then wondering why the line was so long for such a small ride.
are you kidding me ? I could ride the TTD multiple times and did. Just being around watching people ride was great.
@marclimeris503
You really can't compare Maverick to Motocoaster because Motocoaster is a flywheel launch not lsm. However, your point is valid that Indrivetech (Intamin) makes the more punchy launch compared to Intrasys (Zamperla, and pretty much all other manufacturers).
@@marciimeris503 i didnt know it was possible to not notice the launch lift
i dont get it
I’m excited for the ride, however, it does make me question why the ride is even being redone in the first place if the park is just repeating their original ride
The line will be covered. It was a freak accident and the trains removed the failure points.
They tried to retain cost as larger projects are to come. This was to retain a very good ride and make it more involved with out taking up more space.
I can't understand why people obsessed with an unreliable coaster with a 400' drop just because of a 3.8 second launch and a 12 second prime ride time would hate a much longer coaster that actually provides airtime. Assuming TTD was better: it was still the 4th best coaster in the park. No wonder America has a crack epidemic: they're obsessed with 3.8 seconds highs. Even crack lasts longer than that. Say no to drugs and just ride Steel Vengeance, consider riding it as part of your drug rehab therapy. 🙄
Thank you for your common sense. The people who are crying over this sum up exactly why I hate coaster enthusiasts. They complain about TT2 EXTENDING the ride, yet lightning rod REMOVES the best part (launched lift hill) and replaces it with nothing, yet coaster enthusiasts give it a total pass. Why do coaster enthusiasts have to ruin everything they touch?
I think everyone thinks about the draster accident completely wrong i think of it this way the accident is not the main reason the ride closed at all son of beast was going to reopen the exact same way with just new trains and they just had an issue with the loop so they removed it and that accident was much worse. The reason dragster closed was because of the other issues the ride had cedar point knew for years draster was unreliable and would need to be changed or taken out the accident just gave them the perfect chance to do so just like the 2009 son of beast accident gave them a reason for closing the ride. In both cases if they were not problematic rides they would have reopened with the only change to draster being the new intamin trains that's how i view it
Really good point!
it would help to separate your stuff into paragraphs or atleast have more punctuation. im no grammar nazi, its just hard to read
One thing i noticed when i was there this weekend and not just for t-3 but all the rides is they need to put porta-johns or some thing in queue lines. We were in line for Steel Vengeance for 3 hours and i had to leave the line and work my way back in to use the restroom.
Oh wow, that would be greatly needed!
HELL NO. WHAT A STUPID IDEA. You'll have people LEAVING line and attempting to get back in line after peeing. This is still line jumping. Get all that done BEFORE YOU GET IN LINE. Who is going to shut the potties down during the day to clean them? Who wants to SMELL that, especially on a very hot day, the delightful smell of portable potty excrement. If you have to use the restroom, do it before you get in line. I'll be damned if you try to get in front of ME while you were in the bathroom then try to get back in line, sorry Felicia, it doesn't work that way. What a TOTALLY ASININE comment
Can't wait for Xcelerator thrill 2 xD
Woohoo 😅
2nd xceleration 💀
😮😮 it better be safe
It will be!
Some of your criticisms aren't particularly valid. For example the queue can easily have shielding to prevent something form hitting a guest, and the part that fell off is gone. I went on the TTD in 2005 and while it is certainly a thrill and the coiling up and down the nearly vertical sides but in a sort of cage was unlike anything I've been on... BUT I've never really been psyched to go back on it. So replacing ride 1.0 with ride 2.0 is a big let down. It certainly wouldn't be my primary motivation to visit. I suppose the one way it DOES make sense, is that the original was rather popular and unique and they can learn a lot of lessons from what was the most problematic ride ever. Your video is very thought provoking, but I suppose the thesis is unproven.
I completely understand that, I was going off of what I could see in the concept art, and until the ride is fully fleshed out, there’s still some room to speculate
Because of the reliability issues
True
I dont care what they call it.
Fr, it is not going to affect the ride experience omfg.
I know it’s already in the plans but I was really just hoping for a single rail. LMS launch is just like whatever at this point. I wish they would have added a smooth hill to zoom over at the end like Kingda ka, now that would’ve been cool. This is just meh to me.
That would’ve been cool!
Maybe the point is to turn a yawnworthy ride into a less yawnworthy ride.
What mic are you using btw? Lol sounds great
It’s called the Jlab GoTalk, I found it at Best Buy, thank you!
@@CoasterVerse thanks!
Honestly only bad part of the ride is the name. A bit clever but just not very creative. Obviously the he name isn’t a huge deal because they can always change it and it doesn’t really affect the ride experience
Very true!
Agreed...The name was super low effort...and and the spike is just a "gimmic" (gimmich, Gimmick?) I think a 500' second "top hat" would have truley made "a noise" in the coaster / amusement park world - I think this is a swing and a miss (no pun intended)
I totally agree. Good pun hahaha
I think both of you are huge losers who make me hate coaster enthusiasts. Why do you have a problem with too thrill 2, but totally excuse lightning rod removing its launched lift hill? Hypocrites
You haven't ridden it so you don't know if it's a miss. In fact, it's Cedar Point, so it won't be.
@@RA-hx9uc oh I will have an open mind and arms in the air
They altered the ride because it was costly to maintain and no doubt a constant headache, particularly with complaining guests. They wanted something more reliable. People need to realise that the ride wasn’t closed because of the accident. It was closed because it was unreliable and a maintenance nightmare.
Actually it was a combination of both. The accident accelerated closing that maintenance headache
@@timothykaczmarek5871 accelerated it definitely, but it ultimately closed because it was a pain to maintain and even with the maintenance it did have; it was still a problem.
@Livinthecoasterlife Then in that case it should have been gone a long time ago since the money dumped into that thing I'm sure didn't do anything for their bottom line and was no longer generating a positive ROI. More of a liability and with the 3rd accident, I'm betting it was a decision of get it working more than it's current state or get it outta here. Can't tell you how much money they sunk into that POS each operating MONTH!! Surprised the stockholders didn't call for its removal years ago either. Each time that Dumpster was down, it wad costing someone money. It's going to be interesting to see how it will be next year. And couldn't anyone come up with a better name??
Complaining guests wouldn't make any difference. I worked at Cedar Point and ran the Demon Drop, and that stupid ride was down a lot too (Intamin btw--coincidence? Hmm 😒!), to the point that we called it the Lemon 🍋 Drop!! People bitched about that being down left and right. But when it DID run, it was a good ride.
@@timothykaczmarek5871 I think people just need to stop complaining of him being totally honest. That’s all humans seem to do these days on social media.
My excitement level for this ride is about 3/10. First launch is super lame, can’t believe they have the nerve to call it a “rollback.” They also had a chance to blow the lid off the coaster world by adding new elements after the top hat. Zero imagination.
That’s true
It's not that they couldn't imagine it, it that they could pay for it!
The queue is covered so they are protected. The ride was modified but also the cost were repainted so other rides will be added.
The ride was not bad to start but it needed to be reliable. The spike will make it fast and more reliable.
The name well the ride did not dramatically changed so it would be hard to to change the name much.
exactly, what’s the point of making all these changes instead of changing the two main problems? the point is to make sure it doesn’t happen again lol.
Definitely
So.... a teen is telling the world what makes sense at what doesn't?
She has no technical or economical knowledge at all....
My goal is to always to make fun videos that people can enjoy. If you don’t like it, I’ll try to do better!
Top thrill 2 is such a lame name they shoulda named it dragster’s revenge imo
that’s also a lame name tho
Fake top thrill 2
They used the accident as an excuse, the accident has zero to do with this. They used the accident as a way to try to cover up that they are doing this to eliminate paying maintenance costs for the hydraulic launch system. I think this is the biggest downgrade of all time. I honestly have zero excitement for this. Reopening the original was an option, but they decided to go the downgrade route instead. Cedar Point's best days are long behind them. Steel Vengeance was the last great coaster they'll ever open. I know, this sounds harsh, but it's the truth and the way I see it. Some will agree and others won't, but that’s ok.
That’s very true! It does seem like cedar point has lost its classic, charming atmosphere of the early 2010’s and before.
the launch isn't as powerful. Unlike Dragster, which had that insane 120 miles per hour launch, Top Thrill 2 only hits around 70. You know, it's got people kind of disappointed, especially when they were expecting that same heart-pounding rush from the original. Some are saying it's because they went for a longer track, but sacrificed the intensity of the launch in the process. Roller coaster enthusiasts are a passionate bunch, and the weak launch of Top Thrill 2 has left them longing for the days when rides were all about those jaw-dropping moments. Let's see if it can live up to the legacy of its predecessor in the long run!
look at parks nopw. all parks now are dissapointing. This is probably the most exciting ride I have heard from in a couple years! @@CoasterVerse
The new name is so lame
Agreed
*Slightly* weaker launch? 🤣
Top Thrill Dragster - 0 to 60 in 1.5 seconds, and 0 to 120 mph in 3.8 seconds.
Top Thrill Camry - 0 to 74 mph in 7 seconds.
Saying a Toyota Camry has a "slightly weaker launch" than a Dodge Demon would be a more accurate statement.
Top Thrill Camry 🤣, very true
I, TTD/2Ron4695/46, made some timings and think the 0-60, (at the point before the stands where the keep out sign was) was closer to 1.3sec.& TT2@speed 'X' , around the entrance till it leaves the LMS @ 120 is approx. 2 sec. [this for me was most unexpected ].