What's the problem? Most EV drivers do this a few times per year.... I tend to go to the most expensive because they are always available and functioning. The difference is literally a coffee 3 times per year. I wouldn't have a car if that was a concern
@@hansj5846The problem is how expensive it is. Some people live in the part of the venn diagram where driving is a necessity and budget is a problem including housing budgets and not being able to afford a place where charging at home is possible. Happy it is working for you. EV adoption will not be maximised if it doesn't work for others too.
@@markarmstrong9550EVs wont ever be more than 10% of all vehicles on UK roads. They're currently at 3.6% and stalling. Lots of people can't afford them. Lots of people can't charge them at home. Lots of people don't want them. The overall conclusion of Dave's videos on charging is that it's an unreliable, ridiculously expensive faff.
Thanks, only ever used Osprey once ,just to check it out, very easy to use, but too expensive. I only put a few pounds worth in just to get home, like we all do.
It's a very good point about who is actually going to use chargers like this and the pricing that they need to make sense. Osprey do offer a discount through Octopus Electroverse however its only a few percent so your only looking at 5-10p off. Maybe when theres more competition in all towns and cities perhaps we will see more competitive pricing.
The heavy cables are a real struggle, especially with the extra weight on the charging port. Don't forget that the diameter of the cable is directly related to the voltage and current, so a 400v cable at 300 amps would need to be much thicker than 800v at 150amps, or a 1000v cable at 120 amps, despite all three delivering 120 kW.
Ok as an obvious expert can you tell me how the incredibly thin and flexible cables on the Tesla V4 chargers are rated at 500kW and 1,000 volts? Yes there is a cable rating plate on the superchargers. I think you will find that the limiting factor is in fact the cooling and Tesla has proprietary cooling that is much more efficient than their competitors. Just a thought from a non expert
Dave, electrical device plates typically apply to the device alone not the supporting ancillaries like connection cables (which typically have their own signage, often printed on the cable but potentially not in propietary cases). Tesla haven't stated the capabilities of the V4 pedestal cables, although many siites rate the V3 cables at 250kW (which had a different cooling design) and the Tesla Semi megawatt (hefty/thicker) cables used on dedicated V4 pedastals. The V4 cables on the car chargers use a similar immersive-cooling from the Semi's megawatt cables (the DC charge wire bundles are immersed in the coolant return pipes). But with the V4 car cables being thinner they may be targetting the 500kW limit of the Cybertruck The cables on other makes of 1,000v chargers tend to be overprovisioned to a higher capacity to prevent the cables from restricting charge rates These are also actiively cooled, some using the same immersive-conductor approach as Tesla but with larger conductor dimensions (higher current carrying capacity). These cables also have active thermal monitoring along the cable and in the connector to allow the charger to manage the charge rate within the cable's spec. Other systems, with thinner cables tend to use coolant return path thermal management that sense the average temperature across the cable to protect the cable, but offer a lower peak/sustained current carrying capacity compared to actively monitored or overprovisioned cables. Tesla elected to include design esthetic characteristics as well as electrical ones in their car cable design (Elon has stated a dislike of 'elephant trunk' cables in the past). This prioritises thinner cable dimensions potentially at the cost of sustained current carrying capacity. All we can say about the V4 cabinet cables is their capacity is somewhere between that of the V3 cables (250kW) and the thicker Semi truck's megawatt cable. It may be the cable has been optimised for the Cybertruck's peak need of 500kW (200 to 300kW sustained). (p.s. electronics/electrical engineer by trade).
@@davetakesiton 👍I never said I was an expert, but I'm glad you've already considered the cable gauge and current capacity, there's no need to be so passive aggressive about it. I was simply pointing it out since I didn't see it mentioned in the video. So a cable capable of 350kW of power at 400v needs to support a current of 875 amps, where as at 1000v it would only need to support 350 amps and obviously doesn't need as thick of a cable. I'm sure cable cooling also has a big part to it.
Prices really ought to be at least comparable to Tesla. I'm a month in to EV ownership and thanks to your excellent channel and the £8.99 Tesla NonTesla membership, I charge off peak at £0.34 per Kw. Unable to charge at home, I begrudgingly paid £0.60 at a Be.Ev charger yesterday as the retail outlet where the superchargers are was gated and locked. Why can't others come anywhere near to Tesla prices?
EV ownership if you can't take advantage of off-street 7p per kWh night charging is insanity. Add the depreciation and your yearly cost will be twice that of a diesel.
Because Elon realised that for electric cars to become accepted, they needed a charging infrastructure so it goes hand in hand. The rest of the car manufacturers have no interest, once out of the showroom it's someone else's problem. The CPO's are only interested in getting grants and growing a customer base (app signups) so that they can be sold for a commercial exit strategy. They aren't interested in actually selling any energy and yet they're happy to ask you to give them a free loan in the form of funds in your account. I had a lovely email from OVO yesterday, I've never used them never deposited with any provider but the email said "you haven't logged in for the months, if you don't log in soon, well close your account and any funds are forfeit." Nice little earner, funds spread across multiple providers that don't get used and literally stolen. If they do get lucky with some mugs taking a charge, then that's just a bonus for them!
@@Un-ApologeticI've bought an EV as an eco-enthusiast and because it represents progress and a better world for everyone moving forward. If it was about money I'd buy a 15 year old diesel car. I just don't see the logic in paying double for the exact same thing 😂
@thelifeofbatteries2603 rubbish. 90% of company car drivers have EVs because of either salery sacrifice or they were forced into having one. I'd say 85-95% of private EV owners drive them because it's cheaper than ICE because they can charge at home on 7p per kWh. I charge my PHEV at night for 7p per kWh and charged my 2 previous EVs the same. This environment scare tactic played no part in my decision. It was solely about saving money, but the 2 EVs were shite so I went back to diesel and also a Phev.
Looks like somewhere we would go but we would skip using these things at 79 pence ! maybe 49 at tops otherwise we just head for the nearest Tesla supercharger.
Was there last Monday morning ,plugged in Ccs for 40%, 33 kw @ 79p is £25.83 p. Not the fastest on my ID5 @ 48KWH SO 45 MINS charge look around m and s and Tk Maxx time to go back to Wales then .Good stopping off place but rarely use due to home charging mainly
Dave, not sure if you have made a video talking about Mercedes me-charge? I use it over in Germany and I pay around €00:55 at any charger that is in the me-vharge group. These are only needed on longer journeys.
I’ve seen a few of these vids and I have to say that owning an ev is not worthwhile unless you can charge for free which luckily I can. Otherwise I would not have bought one
You can only charge for free if you have solar but then again technically it's not free as it's taking the electric from another appliance. But still cheaper than the grid.
@ sorry, what I meant for free is that I charge at work for free and I have a granny charger if needed for weekends and holidays so I’m quids in really. Public charging rates I have to use occasionally on long journeys. Overall I’m happy with my ev but only because I’m fortunate with my charging setup
@@williamnorth5277 oh absolutely. If you can charge at work for free and the car's range is decent on a full charge then you're quids in. It's a unique position that probably only one in ten people are in but if that one is you, then take advantage. Very few things nowadays are free. Happy New Year 🎊
I believe Osprey are very good at working with local councils to get a bunch of chargers installed, this the councils can show they're playing their part in the OZEV mandate (allegedly)! My local council announced with great pride that Osprey were putting some chargers in and that the council had given them permission for it but when I heard that they were expensive Osprey, my heart sank........ Screwed again! And to add insult to injury, they're in a pub car park where you have to pay to park or register inside the pub only in opening hours! Screwed again!
Tesla prices are lower because they sell EVs so they don't need to charge so much, the charging is like "loss leader" that probably makes them a small profit. That business plan can't work for the independent charger operators.
@@djtaylorutube the quotes around it makes it short hand to say they'll keep the prices lower and not actually a be a real loss leader - i didn't want to have to type this long explanation
@rtfazeberdee3519 Ok but they run the Superchargers at a profit and still with low prices. The other CPO's are twice the cost and aren't interested in lowering prices, that's not their business model. Grow apparent customer base through app sign ups and hope to cash out when someone bigger buys them out. It's a complete shitshow.
Bang on Dave, I will never use Osprey chargers while they continue with their extortionate prices. I currently use Tesla or Ionity depending on which works out more convenient. I've not tried Fastned yet as not many on my long routes and the one that is has only 50kW charging speed. Maximum I pay including subscription works out at roughly 55p kWH. Keep upthe good work.
Personally, I would rarely if ever use a rapid charger at a retail park or supermarket, where as I do occasionally use the 7kW destination chargers to top-up when shopping. I guess if you don’t have home charging these rapid chargers do make sense at the right price but that would have to be ~ 40p/kWh or cheaper.
Dave, the cable size difference between the Kempower and Tesla chargers reflects the power rating and cable length differences. The Tesla charger's, v3 for example have a short 2m cable length that supports 150kW charging whereas the Kempowers supports 300kW at just under 4m length. The Kempower's cable will support charging at a higher peak rate for longer durations. However, it is yet to be seen with the V4 new cabinets whether the charge point device cables will be upgraded as well, to sustain higher currrent longer duration charge curves (like those supported in 800v vehicles).
@@djtaylorutube - the 250kw is the peak capacity rather than the sustained capacity, which over the charge cycle is more important. We know the cybertruck on V3 cabinets with V4 devices charges at 250kW only for 15%, drops to 220kW till 30% (206kW for a few minutes on a V3 pedastals) then the rate degrades to 125kW at about 50% falling to 70kW by 70%. This seems to be charger/cable limited as the cybertruck charges at 327kW on 800v chargers with an extended charge curve, on a test on a more beefy charger with more hefty cables (a NXU 1MW HGV charger). It may well be that the V3/4 device pedestals are optimised for 400v Tesla's and may need upgrades beyond the V4 cabinet for full 800v architecture support. We'll know in the UK once the first V4 cabinet goes live and we can compare the charge curve of a Hyundai, Kia or Porsche on them against a 350kW Ionity or similar.
@@djtaylorutubeyour domestic fuse can often handle 16A. Try drawing that for 24h......or please do NOT try that. Continuous and peak effect isn't the same thing ❤
@GruffSillyGoat Yep but that's the rate set by the car, there's no information that defines what the unit is capable of. Cybertruck is an oddity since it's at 800V architecture, split into parallel 400V packs for charging, just like the 2nd gen Taycan.
The rate is determined by both the vehicle and the charger (ISO 15118). The car monitors the systems inside the car (port, charge controller, BMS and batteries) whilst the charger monitors everthing upto the car's charge port (grid, charger, cable and connection plug). Both can vary the charge rate based upon environmental and system conditions.
HMRC need to get their thumb out and make considerations for company car drivers who cannot charge at home I.e. live in apartments. 7p a mile claim while we pay anywhere between 39p to 89p at public chargers, it’s bonkos.
@@williamlawrenson8345it's not a free car though, there are company car tax on the form of BIK. Granted it's low at the moment but it's still there. Goes with the job, want a company car, get a job that offers one.
@ as per HMRC, company EV drivers can only claim 7p per mile for fuel. Even though the prices for electricity has gone up by 10% this quarter. If you depend on public chargers, you loose 3-4p every mile you drive.
@@williamlawrenson8345 a company car is a perk, but not all company ev drivers can charge at home. If you use public chargers, 7p a mile doesn’t cover your costs.
there are logistical and physical limitations you know. Perhaps 8 x 300kw is just too much for the nearby local infrastructure.I fail to see anything beatiful about those chargers
At EA the price is high at 64¢ a kwh at 12-26-24, However, since EA has gotten new charge points I have not yet had a problem I have changed the way that I initiate charge sessions too which could have also effect the success of my charge sessions I open the app to the charge point that I am about to use, then I plug in the cable and then quickly swipe the slider in the app I have not yet had a single problem in about nine sessions with the new charging points
@@oliver90owner I was being sarcastic to dave... the end of the sentence should have been the indicator :) Of course I know how a leaf, which I have had for 2 years actually works, unlike Dave in a previous Video :) But that is basically what the fact checking dave who still believes in political C02 and likes to talk nonsense about leafs.... I have a leaf and an Model S :)
@@Un-Apologetic People other than sales men should rather make these videos :) I do wish at least he would make corrections and be a bit more humble about it?
To stimulate EV usage the government would be wise to put caps on DC fast chargers. Subsidize the charge cost and not put people off with the highway robbery of the charge cost in the UK. In Thailand all DC fast chargers appear to max out at about 22-24 cents per kWh. This operating cost of EV vs ICE is not limited to at home charging.
The lower charge rate from the other chargers is likely down to the maximum load that the supply can handle so they have just chosen to derate them to ensure the max load from the DNO is not exceeded.
Van charging won't be a problem soon as there won't be any EV vans on the road. DPD are offloading their fleet of 70 mile range when loaded Ford Transits. Hertz have cancelled a massive order for EV vans and ordered diesel instead. There is no future for EV vans.
Unfortunately you're probably right - too many batteries for good range = massively reduced payload unless you uprate the van to more than 3.5t. Then you need people with more than a standard car licence to drive them.
Those vans it is getting rid of, must be getting replaced by these ones?. "The company is targeting a 46% reduction in emissions by year end with a third of its final-mile fleet now electric. An additional 350 EVs (4.25t Ford eTransits) are being deployed over the next few months which will take its EV fleet close to 4,000 strong. "
@beneliastrains irrespective of weight class battery power doesn't work for goods vehicles. A 7.5 ton EV would have a reduced payload equivalent to a 3.5 ton van. There are some electric trucks Scania and Volvo 44 ton. Range is less than 250 miles empty, and 150 when fully loaded. It's then an overnight charge of around 12 hours. My V8 Scania does on average 7.5 miles to the gallon but holds 750 litres so has a range of around 1250 miles. I do around 300- 400 miles a day then the night driver does around another 300. The truck has less than two hours off per day. 90% of haulage companies work lorries this way to make them pay.
@@Un-ApologeticThe Tesla Semi has been reported to have travelled over 400 miles on a single charge with a 20 tonne load. This is just a 1st gen truck which will undoubtedly improve.
I watch the lovers and the haters of EVs alike. I've owned two EVs in the past and now own a PHEV. The general synopsis is that EVs aren't worth buying unless you can charge at home 95% of the time and you buy a used car that's done most of it's depreciation. My negative opinion isn't about the cars themselves some of which are brilliant. My negativity is at the lies the manufacturers claim regarding range and miles per kWh etc. And at the so called "specialists" that claim EVs are so much more better for the planet. Also the absolute opportunism that the charge companies have jumped on. EVs are what we are told to adopt in order to save the planet and are in their infancy yet companies have seen pound signs so buying them is ridiculously expensive and running them can be ridiculously expensive.
79p! So about 45-50 quid for 200 miles. That is like filling a petrol car and being charged £100! They have to slash those prices.
What's the problem? Most EV drivers do this a few times per year....
I tend to go to the most expensive because they are always available and functioning. The difference is literally a coffee 3 times per year. I wouldn't have a car if that was a concern
@@hansj5846The problem is how expensive it is. Some people live in the part of the venn diagram where driving is a necessity and budget is a problem including housing budgets and not being able to afford a place where charging at home is possible. Happy it is working for you. EV adoption will not be maximised if it doesn't work for others too.
@@markarmstrong9550EVs wont ever be more than 10% of all vehicles on UK roads. They're currently at 3.6% and stalling.
Lots of people can't afford them.
Lots of people can't charge them at home.
Lots of people don't want them.
The overall conclusion of Dave's videos on charging is that it's an unreliable, ridiculously expensive faff.
Pricing is key and it needs to be lower even without membership. The Tesla Supercharger prices make these prices look crazy!
Osprey is 63p between 7-11pm if you use the Electroverse app. Still too expensive.
@@garrycroft4215 British gas is 7.9 between midnight and 0500. 26 p peak
Used them and Costa next door.
It was one of the most cable friendly experiences for my EV.
These are cheaper through Electroverse. 73p peak and then 63p 7pm onwards
Thanks, only ever used Osprey once ,just to check it out, very easy to use, but too expensive. I only put a few pounds worth in just to get home, like we all do.
Osprey do a discount between 7pm and 11pm on Electroverse. 20% to anyone, via Electroverse, and additional 5% or 8% if you’re on an Octopus EV tariff.
It's a very good point about who is actually going to use chargers like this and the pricing that they need to make sense. Osprey do offer a discount through Octopus Electroverse however its only a few percent so your only looking at 5-10p off.
Maybe when theres more competition in all towns and cities perhaps we will see more competitive pricing.
The heavy cables are a real struggle, especially with the extra weight on the charging port. Don't forget that the diameter of the cable is directly related to the voltage and current, so a 400v cable at 300 amps would need to be much thicker than 800v at 150amps, or a 1000v cable at 120 amps, despite all three delivering 120 kW.
Ok as an obvious expert can you tell me how the incredibly thin and flexible cables on the Tesla V4 chargers are rated at 500kW and 1,000 volts? Yes there is a cable rating plate on the superchargers. I think you will find that the limiting factor is in fact the cooling and Tesla has proprietary cooling that is much more efficient than their competitors. Just a thought from a non expert
Dave, electrical device plates typically apply to the device alone not the supporting ancillaries like connection cables (which typically have their own signage, often printed on the cable but potentially not in propietary cases).
Tesla haven't stated the capabilities of the V4 pedestal cables, although many siites rate the V3 cables at 250kW (which had a different cooling design) and the Tesla Semi megawatt (hefty/thicker) cables used on dedicated V4 pedastals. The V4 cables on the car chargers use a similar immersive-cooling from the Semi's megawatt cables (the DC charge wire bundles are immersed in the coolant return pipes). But with the V4 car cables being thinner they may be targetting the 500kW limit of the Cybertruck
The cables on other makes of 1,000v chargers tend to be overprovisioned to a higher capacity to prevent the cables from restricting charge rates These are also actiively cooled, some using the same immersive-conductor approach as Tesla but with larger conductor dimensions (higher current carrying capacity). These cables also have active thermal monitoring along the cable and in the connector to allow the charger to manage the charge rate within the cable's spec. Other systems, with thinner cables tend to use coolant return path thermal management that sense the average temperature across the cable to protect the cable, but offer a lower peak/sustained current carrying capacity compared to actively monitored or overprovisioned cables.
Tesla elected to include design esthetic characteristics as well as electrical ones in their car cable design (Elon has stated a dislike of 'elephant trunk' cables in the past). This prioritises thinner cable dimensions potentially at the cost of sustained current carrying capacity.
All we can say about the V4 cabinet cables is their capacity is somewhere between that of the V3 cables (250kW) and the thicker Semi truck's megawatt cable. It may be the cable has been optimised for the Cybertruck's peak need of 500kW (200 to 300kW sustained).
(p.s. electronics/electrical engineer by trade).
@@davetakesiton 👍I never said I was an expert, but I'm glad you've already considered the cable gauge and current capacity, there's no need to be so passive aggressive about it. I was simply pointing it out since I didn't see it mentioned in the video. So a cable capable of 350kW of power at 400v needs to support a current of 875 amps, where as at 1000v it would only need to support 350 amps and obviously doesn't need as thick of a cable. I'm sure cable cooling also has a big part to it.
Prices really ought to be at least comparable to Tesla. I'm a month in to EV ownership and thanks to your excellent channel and the £8.99 Tesla NonTesla membership, I charge off peak at £0.34 per Kw. Unable to charge at home, I begrudgingly paid £0.60 at a Be.Ev charger yesterday as the retail outlet where the superchargers are was gated and locked. Why can't others come anywhere near to Tesla prices?
EV ownership if you can't take advantage of off-street 7p per kWh night charging is insanity.
Add the depreciation and your yearly cost will be twice that of a diesel.
@@Un-Apologetic it's not all about the cost, cough, choke....asthma
Because Elon realised that for electric cars to become accepted, they needed a charging infrastructure so it goes hand in hand.
The rest of the car manufacturers have no interest, once out of the showroom it's someone else's problem.
The CPO's are only interested in getting grants and growing a customer base (app signups) so that they can be sold for a commercial exit strategy. They aren't interested in actually selling any energy and yet they're happy to ask you to give them a free loan in the form of funds in your account.
I had a lovely email from OVO yesterday, I've never used them never deposited with any provider but the email said "you haven't logged in for the months, if you don't log in soon, well close your account and any funds are forfeit."
Nice little earner, funds spread across multiple providers that don't get used and literally stolen.
If they do get lucky with some mugs taking a charge, then that's just a bonus for them!
@@Un-ApologeticI've bought an EV as an eco-enthusiast and because it represents progress and a better world for everyone moving forward. If it was about money I'd buy a 15 year old diesel car. I just don't see the logic in paying double for the exact same thing 😂
@thelifeofbatteries2603 rubbish. 90% of company car drivers have EVs because of either salery sacrifice or they were forced into having one. I'd say 85-95% of private EV owners drive them because it's cheaper than ICE because they can charge at home on 7p per kWh.
I charge my PHEV at night for 7p per kWh and charged my 2 previous EVs the same.
This environment scare tactic played no part in my decision.
It was solely about saving money, but the 2 EVs were shite so I went back to diesel and also a Phev.
Good to see they have Chademo connectors Dave. :)
For those who continued to buy Leafs even after the writing was long on the wall for Chademo 🙂
Looks like somewhere we would go but we would skip using these things at 79 pence ! maybe 49 at tops otherwise we just head for the nearest Tesla supercharger.
The potentially nearest open to all Tesla Superchargers are V3 and still not operating at White City Manchester
You might be able to see a steam train at a weekend from that car park
Which line is that? Chargers with trains or planes are always a bonus. Used to enjoy Tesla Heathrow T5 for flight path action.
Love the random shopping 🛒 trolley..
Unfortunately "Nice little retail parks" are what ruined main streets and ended to a great degree walkable shopping.
Was there last Monday morning ,plugged in Ccs for 40%, 33 kw @ 79p is £25.83 p. Not the fastest on my ID5 @ 48KWH SO 45 MINS charge look around m and s and Tk Maxx time to go back to Wales then .Good stopping off place but rarely use due to home charging mainly
Dave, not sure if you have made a video talking about Mercedes me-charge? I use it over in Germany and I pay around €00:55 at any charger that is in the me-vharge group. These are only needed on longer journeys.
Agree about the cost too expensive unless you use sporadically, lower price would encourage more usage otherwise no viable profits from this site
Sad to see that some people seem to consider EV charging bays as trolley parks though.
I thought EV parking bays were for ICE vehicles? 😅
I’ve seen a few of these vids and I have to say that owning an ev is not worthwhile unless you can charge for free which luckily I can. Otherwise I would not have bought one
You can only charge for free if you have solar but then again technically it's not free as it's taking the electric from another appliance. But still cheaper than the grid.
@ sorry, what I meant for free is that I charge at work for free and I have a granny charger if needed for weekends and holidays so I’m quids in really. Public charging rates I have to use occasionally on long journeys. Overall I’m happy with my ev but only because I’m fortunate with my charging setup
@@williamnorth5277 oh absolutely. If you can charge at work for free and the car's range is decent on a full charge then you're quids in. It's a unique position that probably only one in ten people are in but if that one is you, then take advantage. Very few things nowadays are free. Happy New Year 🎊
@@Un-Apologetic 👍 and a happy new year to you
I believe Osprey are very good at working with local councils to get a bunch of chargers installed, this the councils can show they're playing their part in the OZEV mandate (allegedly)!
My local council announced with great pride that Osprey were putting some chargers in and that the council had given them permission for it but when I heard that they were expensive Osprey, my heart sank........ Screwed again!
And to add insult to injury, they're in a pub car park where you have to pay to park or register inside the pub only in opening hours!
Screwed again!
Tesla prices are lower because they sell EVs so they don't need to charge so much, the charging is like "loss leader" that probably makes them a small profit. That business plan can't work for the independent charger operators.
They run the Superchargers as a profit centre, not at a loss.
@@djtaylorutube thats more or less what i said and why i put "loss leader" in quotes.
@rtfazeberdee3519 well they're not loss leading if they're operating at a profit. 🙂
@@djtaylorutube the quotes around it makes it short hand to say they'll keep the prices lower and not actually a be a real loss leader - i didn't want to have to type this long explanation
@rtfazeberdee3519 Ok but they run the Superchargers at a profit and still with low prices. The other CPO's are twice the cost and aren't interested in lowering prices, that's not their business model.
Grow apparent customer base through app sign ups and hope to cash out when someone bigger buys them out.
It's a complete shitshow.
Bang on Dave, I will never use Osprey chargers while they continue with their extortionate prices.
I currently use Tesla or Ionity depending on which works out more convenient.
I've not tried Fastned yet as not many on my long routes and the one that is has only 50kW charging speed.
Maximum I pay including subscription works out at roughly 55p kWH.
Keep upthe good work.
Personally, I would rarely if ever use a rapid charger at a retail park or supermarket, where as I do occasionally use the 7kW destination chargers to top-up when shopping. I guess if you don’t have home charging these rapid chargers do make sense at the right price but that would have to be ~ 40p/kWh or cheaper.
Parity with most ICE cars is much higher than 40p/kWh. Need to get your facts right? Or another agenda?
Dave, the cable size difference between the Kempower and Tesla chargers reflects the power rating and cable length differences. The Tesla charger's, v3 for example have a short 2m cable length that supports 150kW charging whereas the Kempowers supports 300kW at just under 4m length. The Kempower's cable will support charging at a higher peak rate for longer durations.
However, it is yet to be seen with the V4 new cabinets whether the charge point device cables will be upgraded as well, to sustain higher currrent longer duration charge curves (like those supported in 800v vehicles).
V3 cable supports 250kW
@@djtaylorutube - the 250kw is the peak capacity rather than the sustained capacity, which over the charge cycle is more important. We know the cybertruck on V3 cabinets with V4 devices charges at 250kW only for 15%, drops to 220kW till 30% (206kW for a few minutes on a V3 pedastals) then the rate degrades to 125kW at about 50% falling to 70kW by 70%. This seems to be charger/cable limited as the cybertruck charges at 327kW on 800v chargers with an extended charge curve, on a test on a more beefy charger with more hefty cables (a NXU 1MW HGV charger).
It may well be that the V3/4 device pedestals are optimised for 400v Tesla's and may need upgrades beyond the V4 cabinet for full 800v architecture support. We'll know in the UK once the first V4 cabinet goes live and we can compare the charge curve of a Hyundai, Kia or Porsche on them against a 350kW Ionity or similar.
@@djtaylorutubeyour domestic fuse can often handle 16A. Try drawing that for 24h......or please do NOT try that. Continuous and peak effect isn't the same thing ❤
@GruffSillyGoat Yep but that's the rate set by the car, there's no information that defines what the unit is capable of.
Cybertruck is an oddity since it's at 800V architecture, split into parallel 400V packs for charging, just like the 2nd gen Taycan.
The rate is determined by both the vehicle and the charger (ISO 15118). The car monitors the systems inside the car (port, charge controller, BMS and batteries) whilst the charger monitors everthing upto the car's charge port (grid, charger, cable and connection plug). Both can vary the charge rate based upon environmental and system conditions.
In my area I just consider myself lucky if I can locate a rapid charger that still has a cable attached!
Sounds like Newark then?
@ Worksop/Retford area.
HMRC need to get their thumb out and make considerations for company car drivers who cannot charge at home I.e. live in apartments. 7p a mile claim while we pay anywhere between 39p to 89p at public chargers, it’s bonkos.
And you get a free car I guess? Not sure of the full context.
7p a mile? Do you mean 7p per KWh?
@@williamlawrenson8345it's not a free car though, there are company car tax on the form of BIK. Granted it's low at the moment but it's still there.
Goes with the job, want a company car, get a job that offers one.
@ as per HMRC, company EV drivers can only claim 7p per mile for fuel. Even though the prices for electricity has gone up by 10% this quarter. If you depend on public chargers, you loose 3-4p every mile you drive.
@@williamlawrenson8345 a company car is a perk, but not all company ev drivers can charge at home. If you use public chargers, 7p a mile doesn’t cover your costs.
there are logistical and physical limitations you know. Perhaps 8 x 300kw is just too much for the nearby local infrastructure.I fail to see anything beatiful about those chargers
Are those trolleys left by lazy folk again that are in the charging bays? Some people just can’t manage to put them back where they go can they?
It needs the £1 coin in the handle thing to make these folk return trollies.....
Same bunch of lazy barstuards that push there coffee cup and sandwich wrapper under the car before driving off
I've not come across an Osprey charger that doesn't have Ccs and chademo. Their great reliable chargers
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@@davidilm3752 There, their and they're always seem to cause confusion.....
Why instal 150kw CHadeMO ? , and half of the charging points too !! !! .
At EA the price is high at 64¢ a kwh at 12-26-24, However, since EA has gotten new charge points I have not yet had a problem
I have changed the way that I initiate charge sessions too which could have also effect the success of my charge sessions
I open the app to the charge point that I am about to use, then I plug in the cable and then quickly swipe the slider in the app
I have not yet had a single problem in about nine sessions with the new charging points
but those chadamo leafs have no bms and will just charge to 100% and beyound won't they dave :)
Mistaken, other agenda, or what? Leafs DO have a BMS, of course. All lithium batteries should have a BMS
@@oliver90owner I was being sarcastic to dave... the end of the sentence should have been the indicator :) Of course I know how a leaf, which I have had for 2 years actually works, unlike Dave in a previous Video :) But that is basically what the fact checking dave who still believes in political C02 and likes to talk nonsense about leafs.... I have a leaf and an Model S :)
@@ndudman8Dave is clueless about some things. He comes out with some right tripe at times.
@@Un-Apologetic People other than sales men should rather make these videos :) I do wish at least he would make corrections and be a bit more humble about it?
To stimulate EV usage the government would be wise to put caps on DC fast chargers. Subsidize the charge cost and not put people off with the highway robbery of the charge cost in the UK. In Thailand all DC fast chargers appear to max out at about 22-24 cents per kWh. This operating cost of EV vs ICE is not limited to at home charging.
The lower charge rate from the other chargers is likely down to the maximum load that the supply can handle so they have just chosen to derate them to ensure the max load from the DNO is not exceeded.
Looks like they are better trolley parks than car chargers such a waste and must be costing the operator a kings ransom.
70p is about equivalent to diesel prices (at 45mpg) So it needs to be less than that to tempt people with no drive to buy an EV. (Except a Tesla)😢
Van charging won't be a problem soon as there won't be any EV vans on the road. DPD are offloading their fleet of 70 mile range when loaded Ford Transits. Hertz have cancelled a massive order for EV vans and ordered diesel instead.
There is no future for EV vans.
Unfortunately you're probably right - too many batteries for good range = massively reduced payload unless you uprate the van to more than 3.5t. Then you need people with more than a standard car licence to drive them.
Those vans it is getting rid of, must be getting replaced by these ones?.
"The company is targeting a 46% reduction in emissions by year end with a third of its final-mile fleet now electric. An additional 350 EVs (4.25t Ford eTransits) are being deployed over the next few months which will take its EV fleet close to 4,000 strong. "
@beneliastrains irrespective of weight class battery power doesn't work for goods vehicles.
A 7.5 ton EV would have a reduced payload equivalent to a 3.5 ton van.
There are some electric trucks Scania and Volvo 44 ton.
Range is less than 250 miles empty, and 150 when fully loaded. It's then an overnight charge of around 12 hours.
My V8 Scania does on average 7.5 miles to the gallon but holds 750 litres so has a range of around 1250 miles.
I do around 300- 400 miles a day then the night driver does around another 300.
The truck has less than two hours off per day.
90% of haulage companies work lorries this way to make them pay.
@@Un-ApologeticThe Tesla Semi has been reported to have travelled over 400 miles on a single charge with a 20 tonne load. This is just a 1st gen truck which will undoubtedly improve.
ROFL
The pitch forks and flaming torches in the comments 😂
Watch some videos of Mark P Mills for some EV home truths, but l am sure you will all disagree 😊
I watch the lovers and the haters of EVs alike.
I've owned two EVs in the past and now own a PHEV.
The general synopsis is that EVs aren't worth buying unless you can charge at home 95% of the time and you buy a used car that's done most of it's depreciation.
My negative opinion isn't about the cars themselves some of which are brilliant.
My negativity is at the lies the manufacturers claim regarding range and miles per kWh etc.
And at the so called "specialists" that claim EVs are so much more better for the planet.
Also the absolute opportunism that the charge companies have jumped on.
EVs are what we are told to adopt in order to save the planet and are in their infancy yet companies have seen pound signs so buying them is ridiculously expensive and running them can be ridiculously expensive.