This is a crazzzzy take by you guys. Dont let the little teensy tiny powerful motors cloud your judgement over whats actually important. This is an embarrassment on lucids part for even letting people try to use this piece of software.
Honestly, you were praising the feature a lot, but the video seemed to show that it’s definitely flawed. I’m sure it has its moments where it works really well, but it did not do it here.
That software is a joke. This guy is trying to pretend that lucid is any good maybe to given future vehicles like the gravity. The girl's reaction is very honest
This was god awful ADAS. I know Lucid employees watch out of spec, and this was absolutely cringe and they should be embarrassed. Lucid does a lot of things well, but this was not one of them.
lol no they're not. That's only true where your friendly neighborhood billionaires have convinced the government to close the door on competition. Go look at the systems in China
"if you think this was pretty good, I'd like to see what you think is bad" 100% agree, that was a terrible drive, and this video should have been more critical.
That ADAS is flat awful. It hurts your credibility to apologize for it. Take your Model 3 out there with 13.2 and then tell me that Lucid is not bad at this.
What I just saw seemed very unsafe. You really tried to say how good it was when it worked. "so far pretty good" are you even aware of what was happening. Passenger should have been giving the review. She seemed ready to get out of the car.
Yeah, I think Jordan let his love for the rest of the car get in the way here a little bit. Put this exact same system in a Kia/Hyundai/Genesis and there would have been a lot more deductions in the Editor's Input section.
Wow! That section where it swerved back & forth going down to one lane was insane! Looked seriously unsafe & dangerous. I give FSD crap, but on its worst day it doesn’t look as scary as what I just witnessed. Jordan & Lacey are going to need a few drinks after that drive!
Wow crazy. This not good at all. My wife was getting nervous just watching. I’m trying to get her to use the FSD on out Model 3. Had to show her a video of FSD driving in San Francisco to calm her down. Praising this is really a disservice.
This is actually crazy, I would have terminated the test after it swerved all over the place like that. Incredibly dangerous. Why would you even let the car do that?? You should have taken over immediately and disengaged it, especially when it swerved left. I love out of spec, but it’s really disappointing to see you guys let cars put others in danger like this in busy conditions. If no one was around then fair play, but there was traffic passing you on the left when it swerved like that, crazy!
The second time this lucid nearly killed you, you should’ve ended the test. Not continue to see if it would improve and continue to praise lucid motors.
That system is horrible. It can't even handle minor curves (WITH HD maps) without trying to kill you. I do not EVER remember a time where a Tesla couldn't handle minor bends in the road like they encountered. 😅
It seems to be tentatively offering the features of navigate on autopilot, but requires mapping, and still performs worse than that ever did. It’s honestly shocking how bad this was
Jordan!!! Look you are one of my favorite people on the OOS channels. Please for your own credibility try to do an objective review. This is the worst video you have made due to you constantly trying to make excuses for the Lucid while the car is actively trying to kill you and Lacy. Rewatch this Video and critique yourself. You lose credibility with the constant excuses. I'll never get to drive all these cars you get to review and rely on you and the other member of OOS to at least try to be objective. Oh and a shout out to Lacy for now bailing on you half way thru the video. Just look at her face she was really scared a few times.
You are incorrect about Tesla’s vision only system being the reason for any “phantom braking” you may have experienced and when.. You don’t know how the system works or if software was responsible, you just know it’s vision only. I would say it is more likely software was the cause vs cameras not being able to see clearly or determine if there’s actually anything if front of the car because I’d bet the system would require you take over completely if it was at all unsure if there was an object in front of you - vs just braking out of uncertainty. Phantom braking is more likely a bug or software that’s not better optimized yet. When the cameras actually cannot see something clearly OR are blocked etc the screen will flash red and you will be told to take over immediately. There’s plenty videos showing what happens when they cameras actually cannot see or are unsure
It's clearly a software bug. The phantom braking for oncoming headlights started with 12.5.4. got better with 12.5.6. Seems to be fixed in 13.2.1 although I'll withhold final judgement until I've used 13.2 for a few weeks.
His theory on "redundant sensors" has long been proven incorrect. It seems he forgot or never knew Tesla had a radar with the cameras. That was when phantom braking was at it's WORST. When two different sensor systems disagree, which one do you believe? 😅 Also, v13 of Tesla's FSD has little to no phantom braking (basically no hard braking unless there is an emergency). Doesn't that heavily disprove the point you were trying to make?
What an insanely scary piece of horrible software. They threw every single piece of hardware available into this and it drive like complete n00b level. Wth they doing?
FSD 13 on AI4 - will take you from your garage, through the challenge and park itself at the end, and you will not need to touch the steering wheel or pedals. Nothing else on the market can do this.
I had a similar near disaster with Cadillacs pre mapped Super cruise in a Lyriq. Between Orlando and Tampa the i4 was widening- the construction was complete but the road wasn’t rescanned and the Lyriq wanted to plow in the to median because it used to not be there.
This is the biggest cope I've ever seen in my life. There is no such thing as self-drive with that Lucid. 100% fail. I get that it's a loner and you have to be nice but that's ridiculous. You guys lose credibility points with me on this one. Yet You can criticize Tesla for phantom breaking with V12. Ok.
I’ve driven about 15,000 miles using FSD-some of it documented on my channel. I've done a 12-hour round trip from LA to Vegas in heavy traffic. Watching this video is nerve-racking, with erratic swerves at 21:48 and almost hitting a divider at 30:10. It also traveled slower than surrounding traffic, causing everyone to pass, and even tried to exit the freeway unexpectedly. I understand some people think FSD v12 or v13 is nearly ready, but in my view, it still has a way to go. That said, it’s nowhere near as risky as something like Dream Cruise. I stopped making videos, because Tesla FSD became boring (which is good thing)
2:50 - "They've promised future updates…" If Tesla's "level 5 autonomy next year" every year for the past eight years, and the collapse of Fisker leaving Oceans without half their promised "coming in a future update" key features have taught me anything, it's not to ever trust "coming in a future update." (Heck, even Rivian has done that, scaling back the level of autonomy gen 1 vehicles will ever get, requiring gen 2 for the features that were promised back in 2022.)
Your emphasis on not preferring Tesla’s camera only (FSD) vs adding radar and or lidar is short sighted. To come close to what Tesla can do you should include the costs to do so in today’s dollars and the future limitations other approaches bring or limit. No system today is perfect but only Tesla has a principled pathway to it. Your comments about remapping limitations are self incriminating to your initial position statements. We know how to interstate reactions to vision/ sound and tactile based systems because we go through the world in that manner. Because of this common view billions of human interactions are directly applicable to training of the AI. For radar or lydar assumptions must be made pre and post inference then again by the driver. “Optimization of end hardware”is called software. Radar and lydar limit the stride of AI development as does premapping. Yes Tesla is that far ahead and because of first this type of first principle development.
I’m so shocked that Out of Spec is sooo out of date on Tesla FSD. Almost everything you said about Tesla FSD was incorrect. Like, phantom braking on Tesla was a problem. Over a year since I’ve heard anyone mention phantom braking. Although recently praised for reacting to dangers before the driver ever noticed them. If you have such a strong bias for a product, then you should exclude yourself from reviewing it because we see the result exemplified on this video!
They own a million teslas, just most are older HW3 where phantom braking is still a problem. They are waiting to get V13 on one of their newer AI4 cars and will do an up to date test on it. Their ADAS testing procedure is something like once a year, which works for most automakers since they progress so slowly. Tesla is difficult since there’s always a newer better version out there
At 3:20 in regards to the LIDAR being active, The only times my Laser Radar detector has gone off in the last year is when there's a Lucid nearby and a few months ago on a dark night when I got a continuous laser alert for about 40 minutes on a 20 mile drive and after parking in an area near an Air National Guard base with helicopters operating.
Eventually everyone will have to license FSD just like they had to switch to the NACS port. 13.2 is working very very well and FSD works everywhere. I've used it on highways, rural roads through NH and Vermont. Big cities like Boston and NYC and small cities like Newport RI which has narrow single lane colonial streets. There has been a lot of two steps forward one step back with FSD but the progress has been impressive. Nobody else has tried to solve the general self driving problem. Waymo is limited to a few cities because it requires pre mapping which isn't scalable. Ford threw in the towel a couple of years ago, GM just gave up. It's possible that China has a comparable system but we can't use Chinese software for national security reasons. Biden has already banned Chinese software and you know that Trump isn't going to reverse that.
Yeah, after watching Tesla FSD on v13 handle complex LA traffic, dense NYC gridlocks, and curvy backroads with ease (mind you it already has been fantastic for over a year now on the highway) versus Lucid's "ADAS" system, Tesla is WAAAAY ahead of the competition in terms of ADAS.
Not sure if you've considered this already, but the capacitive wheel line should receive a score when the vehicle doesn't require you to touch it. Not the case in this vehicle but worth thinking about for other tests.
Video is so biased toward Lucid, man I do watch ur videos, but Lucid's " fsd', is in its infancy still, .... lots and lots to do. They need much much more then their daddy's money to crack true FSD, like tesla has done. Ty for the video.
Oh yes, Elon and the FSD team missed a real opportunity by not consulting you on your opinion on extra sensors. My opinion, your comment will, in 2025, prove how important it is that people unqualified to speak on a subject should not. Yes, even if they hate the CEO of the company.
Thanks for sharing this video. It shows that owners can not trust self driving features. I sailed a sailboat across oceans using autopilot, but monitored it the entire time, because sometimes it failed. The difference with cars is that on the highway a very small error can result in disaster. Driving assist on my Mach E really makes driving easier, but I watch it like a hawk, ready to take over at the first sign of a problem. I was pleased to see the Mach E got a very good score in the Hogback Challenge, but I still monitor it closely.
There is a trick for torque in a Tesla. Its not used with FSD anymore but when it was required the way to apply it was to use the scroll wheels. I usually adjusted the speed up or down one MPH but the volume wheel worked also. Turning the wheel was very unreliable but turning a scroll wheel was simple and always worked.
I don't understand why there's the need for these premapped systems. The adaptive cc is more than perfect in my Volvo. It's all anyone really ever needs. It seems like a complete failure for the system to continually try to find premapped portions, or if anything might be different from when it was mapped, it cuts off.
Which Volvo is that? I was lent a 2024 Volvo XC40 Recharge Ultimate while my Model 3 was in the body shop last summer. Its steering hold is so weak that even resting your hand on one of the spoke is enough to disengage it while it tries to follow the road. That wouldn't be so bad if it **didn't disengage SILENTLY!** WTF??? No audible or haptic feedback that it disengaged, while turning! Just the little icon disappeared from the console screen. I couldn't believe it. And that's if it was able to follow the curve in the first place. Any curves other than a mild highway curve and you have to take over as it won't be able to stay in its lane, similar to that Mercedes video that was posted last summer. The ADAS in that Volvo was pathetic.
I understand this is a stress test, but it falls short of expectations. I appreciate Lucid as a vehicle and the hardware is incredible, but the software and ADAS software definitely require significant improvements. I’m optimistic that these issues can be addressed through software updates. However, I’m not sure when these improvements will be available. While Lucid is an exceptional driving vehicle, it has a long way to go in instilling confidence in drivers who rely on ADAS assistance. They need to develop hands-free, eyes-on highway driving capabilities similar to Supercruise, Bluecruise, and FSD. The Dreamdrive Pro hardware appears promising, but they lag behind in developing the necessary software to unlock its full potential. I’m hopeful that they’ll have something in the works by the time Gravity Deliveries commence. The absence of a robust, reliable, and confident ADAS system is the sole obstacle preventing my family from trading in one of our current cars for a Lucid. If you’re not concerned about ADAS and have the financial means to lease or purchase a Lucid, you’ll likely be delighted with the vehicle.
It's always been about the software. The hardware in ADAS vehicles were almost always better than humans. As Musk has said many times, "humans just use two cameras on a swivel". Lucid will not solve this software issue for a LONG time, if ever. They don't have the time, resources, or leadership to make this happen.
@ Yeah, it definitely has a long way to go, although they haven’t marketed it as a full self-driving competitor. However, with the hardware it has, hopefully, it can perform better on highways. While I don’t expect any of their goals to include side-street driving, I would like to see unmapped highways at least receive some reliable autosteer functionality. And perhaps mapped highways can get hands-free eye-on autosteers with automatic lane changes. I understand that Tesla faces criticism for its FSD system, and I believe it’s fair to critique any and all ADAS systems. However, they should also be credited with bringing something quite good to the consumer market. I would trust being driven in a Waymo vehicle over a Tesla, but access to Waymo is very limited. I belong to the camp of wanting more investments in ADAS systems and reducing the number of human-driven vehicles on the road simply because of the poor driving skills of many drivers. I am hopeful that ADAS systems will advance, but I am also cautious about the rollout process.
@@Greg-R I doubt Lucid will be able to do anything more than GM and Ford has implemented. I am curious why you would be more comfortable in a WAYMO, though. Is it just because of LiDAR? LiDAR can have the sun in it's "eyes", too. However, I do not believe it has a wavelength filter for this, because the sun pushes all wavelengths. WAYMO vehicles get stuck. They have a lot of real world data, when compared to the others. They have almost nothing when compared with what Tesla has gathered.
Wow just can't get over how hideous the mismatched seat colors look. Why do they force black seats up front when you want a light interior and only the rear seats can have light color? Such an arrogant design decision that leaves out potential customers who want to buy a car with a light interior.
Tesla's FSD, is trained AI based on driving data that Tesla retrieved from their own cars on the road. If you want the have the same capabilities you either license Tesla's FSD or train your own, which will take time as it did with Tesla. So its really not fair to compare any of them to Tesla honestly, FSD is 10 years ahead, I'm surprised you guys are not documented regarding this, you have Model 3's with HW 4 that are capable of FSD v13.2.2, test it, start it from the parking lot. Also I'm pretty sure only the Chinese companies also have a similar system . Europe will license this tech. Now back to Lucid system, sorry but its trash and dangerous.
Kia is so good in Adas performance, not only in Hwy but in City as well. He is saying Korean products are bad. I can imagine how inaccurate his reviews are.
Lacey nails it “It feels like you are in a car with a friend who can’t drive” 😂 Jordan this video is a bit out of character/typically very sensible judgement for you tbh :/
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I think from the very beginning of having the AMBER intro card you’ve had a typo saying it’s Stree free. You probably got paid mid five figures and you can’t properly proofread anything. It’s been up there at least a month. 😂
I think this tester fundamentally misunderstands the self driving challenge. It’s all software and intense AI training at this point. Saying the car has all the hardware, now they just need to “dial in the software” reveals a very shallow understanding of the problem space. Tesla “had the hardware” (HW3) since 2018ish and 6 years of software iteration and they still aren’t there Also the infotainment computer has nothing to do with the self driving processing power. So saying the UI is super snappy, is irrelevant regarding how the ADAS will perform (they probably do have a powerful chip there, but it would be different hardware) Jordan I love your content so much, especially your character during races, but this video really threw me. Maybe you guys can do another collab with Dirty Tesla to up skill the team on how these systems work and how they can be reviewed? ❤
This system looks like an extreme safety hazard and if auto pilot had a recall or something silly that this video is like the billboard for legal action because Lacey’s face tells you that this thing insights sheer fear
This should be called an "Out of Brain" Review..How could Kyle not slam Lucid for releasing such a clearly dangerous ADAS system that could have caused a serious accident at several points in this short drive..Unbelievably relaxed and biased Lucid reporting that is quite shameful. Thank goodness for Tesla and V13.2.2 and their clearsighted vision for a Camera only approach with intelligent Ai software enabling a Tesla to drive safely and fully autonomously on any road without the need for premapping..Lucid needs to licence Tesla FSD and fast, before it seriously maims or kills one of its owners...!
As a car the Lucid takes some beating, but that's not directly what this test is about. Is it just me or is it not a shock that a half price Chinese vehicle, under test in the USA, but essentially, never to be available there, behaves better within the driver assistance system? EDIT: This reminds me of my VW ID3.
Every time the camera fell, I thought you were getting into an accident. I would return the car if it did those swerving when it almost hit the wall or with the exit.
What the heck? That looked crazy dangerous and scary to use. And it ranked middle of the pack? I get the point about Kia stuff turning off without warning. But honestly that looked much worse than Autopilot circa 2018? Feature wise it looks on par with “enhanced autopilot” from that era when you had to initiate a lane change then it would complete it?
Man, i’m with Lacey, was super scary. I liked when Jordan said it’s not doing too bad, and Lacey was like WTF yes it is😆
The 'self driving' only works half the time and then almost drives you into the crash barrier... "so far it's not been too bad" 🤣
This is a crazzzzy take by you guys. Dont let the little teensy tiny powerful motors cloud your judgement over whats actually important. This is an embarrassment on lucids part for even letting people try to use this piece of software.
“Why do you think it’s good when it’s clearly not?” 😂😂😂 Love it!
I do not understand how this guy is so charitable to this product.
Lacey reaction faces:
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Honestly, you were praising the feature a lot, but the video seemed to show that it’s definitely flawed. I’m sure it has its moments where it works really well, but it did not do it here.
That software is a joke. This guy is trying to pretend that lucid is any good maybe to given future vehicles like the gravity. The girl's reaction is very honest
This was god awful ADAS. I know Lucid employees watch out of spec, and this was absolutely cringe and they should be embarrassed. Lucid does a lot of things well, but this was not one of them.
For all the crap people give telsa fsd, they are light years ahead of any other car maker.
lol no they're not. That's only true where your friendly neighborhood billionaires have convinced the government to close the door on competition. Go look at the systems in China
"if you think this was pretty good, I'd like to see what you think is bad" 100% agree, that was a terrible drive, and this video should have been more critical.
That ADAS is flat awful. It hurts your credibility to apologize for it. Take your Model 3 out there with 13.2 and then tell me that Lucid is not bad at this.
What I just saw seemed very unsafe. You really tried to say how good it was when it worked. "so far pretty good" are you even aware of what was happening. Passenger should have been giving the review. She seemed ready to get out of the car.
Yeah, I think Jordan let his love for the rest of the car get in the way here a little bit.
Put this exact same system in a Kia/Hyundai/Genesis and there would have been a lot more deductions in the Editor's Input section.
A rider will always view the trip as scarier than the driver. Just like it's never the driver who gets sick.
Wow! That section where it swerved back & forth going down to one lane was insane! Looked seriously unsafe & dangerous. I give FSD crap, but on its worst day it doesn’t look as scary as what I just witnessed. Jordan & Lacey are going to need a few drinks after that drive!
Wow crazy. This not good at all. My wife was getting nervous just watching. I’m trying to get her to use the FSD on out Model 3. Had to show her a video of FSD driving in San Francisco to calm her down. Praising this is really a disservice.
This is actually crazy, I would have terminated the test after it swerved all over the place like that. Incredibly dangerous. Why would you even let the car do that?? You should have taken over immediately and disengaged it, especially when it swerved left. I love out of spec, but it’s really disappointing to see you guys let cars put others in danger like this in busy conditions.
If no one was around then fair play, but there was traffic passing you on the left when it swerved like that, crazy!
The second time this lucid nearly killed you, you should’ve ended the test. Not continue to see if it would improve and continue to praise lucid motors.
Driving on I70 is not an edge case…
Jordan: ‘It just doesn’t instill confidence.” - Understatement of the year.
Who thought, for a moment, they crashed when the camera fell down? 😂
It definitely made me jump!
That system is horrible. It can't even handle minor curves (WITH HD maps) without trying to kill you. I do not EVER remember a time where a Tesla couldn't handle minor bends in the road like they encountered. 😅
It seems to be tentatively offering the features of navigate on autopilot, but requires mapping, and still performs worse than that ever did. It’s honestly shocking how bad this was
It should get so many minus points for that whole time where it didn't activate at all!
Jordan!!! Look you are one of my favorite people on the OOS channels. Please for your own credibility try to do an objective review. This is the worst video you have made due to you constantly trying to make excuses for the Lucid while the car is actively trying to kill you and Lacy. Rewatch this Video and critique yourself. You lose credibility with the constant excuses. I'll never get to drive all these cars you get to review and rely on you and the other member of OOS to at least try to be objective. Oh and a shout out to Lacy for now bailing on you half way thru the video. Just look at her face she was really scared a few times.
This guy's explanation about software and compute power is so funny. Lacey is so nice patiently hearing this crap
damn that is scary at times.
This is a terrible look for Lucid. At this point, they should pull it and try to license Tesla's FSD.
You are incorrect about Tesla’s vision only system being the reason for any “phantom braking” you may have experienced and when.. You don’t know how the system works or if software was responsible, you just know it’s vision only. I would say it is more likely software was the cause vs cameras not being able to see clearly or determine if there’s actually anything if front of the car because I’d bet the system would require you take over completely if it was at all unsure if there was an object in front of you - vs just braking out of uncertainty. Phantom braking is more likely a bug or software that’s not better optimized yet. When the cameras actually cannot see something clearly OR are blocked etc the screen will flash red and you will be told to take over immediately. There’s plenty videos showing what happens when they cameras actually cannot see or are unsure
It's clearly a software bug. The phantom braking for oncoming headlights started with 12.5.4. got better with 12.5.6. Seems to be fixed in 13.2.1 although I'll withhold final judgement until I've used 13.2 for a few weeks.
I love these tests! This system is so disappointing!
His theory on "redundant sensors" has long been proven incorrect. It seems he forgot or never knew Tesla had a radar with the cameras. That was when phantom braking was at it's WORST. When two different sensor systems disagree, which one do you believe? 😅 Also, v13 of Tesla's FSD has little to no phantom braking (basically no hard braking unless there is an emergency). Doesn't that heavily disprove the point you were trying to make?
But he *feels better* with more sensors 😏
What an insanely scary piece of horrible software. They threw every single piece of hardware available into this and it drive like complete n00b level. Wth they doing?
The Volvo EX90 does not use its LIDAR, the Lucid does not use its LIDAR, so what is the point of LIDAR?
Marketing
Not sure about the Lucid, but the Volvo's lidar will be a later ota update. Not sure when. Volvo probably doesn't even know for sure.
FSD 13 on AI4 - will take you from your garage, through the challenge and park itself at the end, and you will not need to touch the steering wheel or pedals.
Nothing else on the market can do this.
just tested FSD. how do you tell FSD drive in/out of my driveway? driving is very good, but parking is like a beginner.
@@ben-l8g2nthat will come with an Update soon
I had a similar near disaster with Cadillacs pre mapped Super cruise in a Lyriq. Between Orlando and Tampa the i4 was widening- the construction was complete but the road wasn’t rescanned and the Lyriq wanted to plow in the to median because it used to not be there.
This is the biggest cope I've ever seen in my life. There is no such thing as self-drive with that Lucid. 100% fail. I get that it's a loner and you have to be nice but that's ridiculous. You guys lose credibility points with me on this one. Yet You can criticize Tesla for phantom breaking with V12. Ok.
21:55 WTF,, 🥶
30:15 😱😱😱
That was terrible indeed, I don't know who he let it go 4 so long. scary
Car is like, " ope, time to die :) "
@@ATICrossX 😅👍
I’ve driven about 15,000 miles using FSD-some of it documented on my channel. I've done a 12-hour round trip from LA to Vegas in heavy traffic. Watching this video is nerve-racking, with erratic swerves at 21:48 and almost hitting a divider at 30:10. It also traveled slower than surrounding traffic, causing everyone to pass, and even tried to exit the freeway unexpectedly. I understand some people think FSD v12 or v13 is nearly ready, but in my view, it still has a way to go. That said, it’s nowhere near as risky as something like Dream Cruise. I stopped making videos, because Tesla FSD became boring (which is good thing)
Almost died
when fsd 13 hogback test?
Seriously! The Tesla 13.2 will be able to start from the parking lot
@@olemissjim hopefully it doesn’t run that first stop sign like it did the last time they ran it
@@olemissjim And park correctly afterwards.
a fsd v13 review would be cool. especially a big comparison between all adas system even something like the comma 3x
Surprised pre-mapped is still a thing at all when you can buy a Corolla for $20K and have full lane centering on any road.
2:50 - "They've promised future updates…"
If Tesla's "level 5 autonomy next year" every year for the past eight years, and the collapse of Fisker leaving Oceans without half their promised "coming in a future update" key features have taught me anything, it's not to ever trust "coming in a future update."
(Heck, even Rivian has done that, scaling back the level of autonomy gen 1 vehicles will ever get, requiring gen 2 for the features that were promised back in 2022.)
Your emphasis on not preferring Tesla’s camera only (FSD) vs adding radar and or lidar is short sighted. To come close to what Tesla can do you should include the costs to do so in today’s dollars and the future limitations other approaches bring or limit. No system today is perfect but only Tesla has a principled pathway to it. Your comments about remapping limitations are self incriminating to your initial position statements. We know how to interstate reactions to vision/ sound and tactile based systems because we go through the world in that manner. Because of this common view billions of human interactions are directly applicable to training of the AI. For radar or lydar assumptions must be made pre and post inference then again by the driver.
“Optimization of end hardware”is called software. Radar and lydar limit the stride of AI development as does premapping. Yes Tesla is that far ahead and because of first this type of first principle development.
I’m so shocked that Out of Spec is sooo out of date on Tesla FSD. Almost everything you said about Tesla FSD was incorrect. Like, phantom braking on Tesla was a problem. Over a year since I’ve heard anyone mention phantom braking. Although recently praised for reacting to dangers before the driver ever noticed them. If you have such a strong bias for a product, then you should exclude yourself from reviewing it because we see the result exemplified on this video!
They own a million teslas, just most are older HW3 where phantom braking is still a problem. They are waiting to get V13 on one of their newer AI4 cars and will do an up to date test on it.
Their ADAS testing procedure is something like once a year, which works for most automakers since they progress so slowly. Tesla is difficult since there’s always a newer better version out there
Phantom braking is still a thing for cars on v12 which is a lot of cars. It’s gone in v13 from my experience with it so far.
Lacey looked like she wanted out of that car!
So a car that is 100K almost make you crash few times... This is very disappointing... Do they test their releases??!!
Switching from VW ID.4 to Rivian was a downgrade in ADAS due to premapped thing. I can enable Travel Assist even on city roads.
Comma AI support for Rivian coming soon
Yeah I even do it on my Prius. It's honestly really disappointing so many luxury cars can't.
@@RealElectechis it really though? I'm waiting for it, looks like gen 1 Rivians are not getting any ADAS updates.
At 3:20 in regards to the LIDAR being active, The only times my Laser Radar detector has gone off in the last year is when there's a Lucid nearby and a few months ago on a dark night when I got a continuous laser alert for about 40 minutes on a 20 mile drive and after parking in an area near an Air National Guard base with helicopters operating.
Lucid software and ADAS is embarrassingly bad and dangerous. Compared to FSD 13 it looks a decade behind or more.
Compared to Autopilot from 2013 it is behind.
Eventually everyone will have to license FSD just like they had to switch to the NACS port. 13.2 is working very very well and FSD works everywhere. I've used it on highways, rural roads through NH and Vermont. Big cities like Boston and NYC and small cities like Newport RI which has narrow single lane colonial streets. There has been a lot of two steps forward one step back with FSD but the progress has been impressive. Nobody else has tried to solve the general self driving problem. Waymo is limited to a few cities because it requires pre mapping which isn't scalable. Ford threw in the towel a couple of years ago, GM just gave up. It's possible that China has a comparable system but we can't use Chinese software for national security reasons. Biden has already banned Chinese software and you know that Trump isn't going to reverse that.
Teslam go to your home
@@wolfgangpreier9160 it should only be compared to autopilot, not FSD. This is in a different universe from FSD v13.
Disaster. He sounds like he's being paid by Lucid.
Yeah, after watching Tesla FSD on v13 handle complex LA traffic, dense NYC gridlocks, and curvy backroads with ease (mind you it already has been fantastic for over a year now on the highway) versus Lucid's "ADAS" system, Tesla is WAAAAY ahead of the competition in terms of ADAS.
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Not sure if you've considered this already, but the capacitive wheel line should receive a score when the vehicle doesn't require you to touch it. Not the case in this vehicle but worth thinking about for other tests.
Ain't no way I would trust that system. Manual drive only.
Worst self driving example ever . No matter how hard you tried to make excuses . I’m willnunto bet that Tesla would have aced this simple drive
Video is so biased toward Lucid, man I do watch ur videos, but Lucid's " fsd', is in its infancy still, .... lots and lots to do. They need much much more then their daddy's money to crack true FSD, like tesla has done. Ty for the video.
Oh yes, Elon and the FSD team missed a real opportunity by not consulting you on your opinion on extra sensors. My opinion, your comment will, in 2025, prove how important it is that people unqualified to speak on a subject should not. Yes, even if they hate the CEO of the company.
I definitely wouldn’t be buying the safety features on that car…I was actually scared for you..not safe at all😳😳😳
why are you defending lucid... this is horrific.. no $150k car self driving software should be this bad
Thanks for sharing this video. It shows that owners can not trust self driving features. I sailed a sailboat across oceans using autopilot, but monitored it the entire time, because sometimes it failed. The difference with cars is that on the highway a very small error can result in disaster. Driving assist on my Mach E really makes driving easier, but I watch it like a hawk, ready to take over at the first sign of a problem. I was pleased to see the Mach E got a very good score in the Hogback Challenge, but I still monitor it closely.
That thing looked scary!
There is a trick for torque in a Tesla. Its not used with FSD anymore but when it was required the way to apply it was to use the scroll wheels. I usually adjusted the speed up or down one MPH but the volume wheel worked also. Turning the wheel was very unreliable but turning a scroll wheel was simple and always worked.
I don't understand why there's the need for these premapped systems. The adaptive cc is more than perfect in my Volvo. It's all anyone really ever needs. It seems like a complete failure for the system to continually try to find premapped portions, or if anything might be different from when it was mapped, it cuts off.
Which Volvo is that?
I was lent a 2024 Volvo XC40 Recharge Ultimate while my Model 3 was in the body shop last summer. Its steering hold is so weak that even resting your hand on one of the spoke is enough to disengage it while it tries to follow the road. That wouldn't be so bad if it **didn't disengage SILENTLY!** WTF??? No audible or haptic feedback that it disengaged, while turning! Just the little icon disappeared from the console screen. I couldn't believe it. And that's if it was able to follow the curve in the first place. Any curves other than a mild highway curve and you have to take over as it won't be able to stay in its lane, similar to that Mercedes video that was posted last summer. The ADAS in that Volvo was pathetic.
I understand this is a stress test, but it falls short of expectations. I appreciate Lucid as a vehicle and the hardware is incredible, but the software and ADAS software definitely require significant improvements. I’m optimistic that these issues can be addressed through software updates. However, I’m not sure when these improvements will be available.
While Lucid is an exceptional driving vehicle, it has a long way to go in instilling confidence in drivers who rely on ADAS assistance. They need to develop hands-free, eyes-on highway driving capabilities similar to Supercruise, Bluecruise, and FSD. The Dreamdrive Pro hardware appears promising, but they lag behind in developing the necessary software to unlock its full potential. I’m hopeful that they’ll have something in the works by the time Gravity Deliveries commence.
The absence of a robust, reliable, and confident ADAS system is the sole obstacle preventing my family from trading in one of our current cars for a Lucid.
If you’re not concerned about ADAS and have the financial means to lease or purchase a Lucid, you’ll likely be delighted with the vehicle.
It's always been about the software. The hardware in ADAS vehicles were almost always better than humans. As Musk has said many times, "humans just use two cameras on a swivel". Lucid will not solve this software issue for a LONG time, if ever. They don't have the time, resources, or leadership to make this happen.
@ Yeah, it definitely has a long way to go, although they haven’t marketed it as a full self-driving competitor. However, with the hardware it has, hopefully, it can perform better on highways. While I don’t expect any of their goals to include side-street driving, I would like to see unmapped highways at least receive some reliable autosteer functionality. And perhaps mapped highways can get hands-free eye-on autosteers with automatic lane changes.
I understand that Tesla faces criticism for its FSD system, and I believe it’s fair to critique any and all ADAS systems. However, they should also be credited with bringing something quite good to the consumer market. I would trust being driven in a Waymo vehicle over a Tesla, but access to Waymo is very limited. I belong to the camp of wanting more investments in ADAS systems and reducing the number of human-driven vehicles on the road simply because of the poor driving skills of many drivers. I am hopeful that ADAS systems will advance, but I am also cautious about the rollout process.
@@Greg-R I doubt Lucid will be able to do anything more than GM and Ford has implemented. I am curious why you would be more comfortable in a WAYMO, though. Is it just because of LiDAR? LiDAR can have the sun in it's "eyes", too. However, I do not believe it has a wavelength filter for this, because the sun pushes all wavelengths. WAYMO vehicles get stuck. They have a lot of real world data, when compared to the others. They have almost nothing when compared with what Tesla has gathered.
Tesla already won on this front. No point in Lucid trying to compete here as they are a decade behind at this point
Loool wth this system is so dogy. This doesnt even compare to teslas oldest version of fsd
This system really needs to get looked at by by the legal authorities. This thing should not be on the road.
So happy I bought a comma 3x recently. It's night and day compared to other commercial ADAS systems, with the sole exception of Tesla FSD.
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I guess it's a technique to avoid autoimmune defence of TH-cam
Wow just can't get over how hideous the mismatched seat colors look. Why do they force black seats up front when you want a light interior and only the rear seats can have light color? Such an arrogant design decision that leaves out potential customers who want to buy a car with a light interior.
Tesla's FSD, is trained AI based on driving data that Tesla retrieved from their own cars on the road. If you want the have the same capabilities you either license Tesla's FSD or train your own, which will take time as it did with Tesla. So its really not fair to compare any of them to Tesla honestly, FSD is 10 years ahead, I'm surprised you guys are not documented regarding this, you have Model 3's with HW 4 that are capable of FSD v13.2.2, test it, start it from the parking lot. Also I'm pretty sure only the Chinese companies also have a similar system . Europe will license this tech.
Now back to Lucid system, sorry but its trash and dangerous.
So it has self driving lidar capabilities and pre mapped roads like super cruise? Sorry, a bit confused there in the beginning. Thanks all
Tesla will win the race to driving autonomy. Period.
Kia is so good in Adas performance, not only in Hwy but in City as well. He is saying Korean products are bad. I can imagine how inaccurate his reviews are.
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Lacey nails it “It feels like you are in a car with a friend who can’t drive” 😂
Jordan this video is a bit out of character/typically very sensible judgement for you tbh :/
Having just come from a gen5 Prius that cost $34k out the door I’m blown away at how good Toyotas adas is in comparison.
33:23 Holy shit i thought you car got clipped by someone. Got scared for a sec
Thanks Guys Great Video,Happy Christmas And A Happy New Year To Everyone At Out Of Spec 👍💪😉
The Lucid brand makes a great looking EV, but it's costly kind of like the Mercedes.
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How should I go about transferring them to Binance?
I see lots of potential from 60 or so engineer just 3 years ago produced this master peace of cutting edge EV.
Kyle spending big bucks on the bots 😂😂😂
I think from the very beginning of having the AMBER intro card you’ve had a typo saying it’s Stree free. You probably got paid mid five figures and you can’t properly proofread anything. It’s been up there at least a month. 😂
Do you really have to include the icon includes paid promotion throughout the whole video because it gets annoying on the screen
I will be sticking to my Tesla Tech, Thank You very much.
Need to add what Beta version for the Tesla cars in the spreadsheet
I think this tester fundamentally misunderstands the self driving challenge. It’s all software and intense AI training at this point. Saying the car has all the hardware, now they just need to “dial in the software” reveals a very shallow understanding of the problem space. Tesla “had the hardware” (HW3) since 2018ish and 6 years of software iteration and they still aren’t there
Also the infotainment computer has nothing to do with the self driving processing power. So saying the UI is super snappy, is irrelevant regarding how the ADAS will perform (they probably do have a powerful chip there, but it would be different hardware)
Jordan I love your content so much, especially your character during races, but this video really threw me. Maybe you guys can do another collab with Dirty Tesla to up skill the team on how these systems work and how they can be reviewed? ❤
Lucid: we take you place you would never go...
(Love the "message from God" audio)
This system looks like an extreme safety hazard and if auto pilot had a recall or something silly that this video is like the billboard for legal action because Lacey’s face tells you that this thing insights sheer fear
If this were the movie Billy Madison, Jordan would have hit a banana peel flown off the cliff and yelling Lucid rules on the way down.
This should be called an "Out of Brain" Review..How could Kyle not slam Lucid for releasing such a clearly dangerous ADAS system that could have caused a serious accident at several points in this short drive..Unbelievably relaxed and biased Lucid reporting that is quite shameful.
Thank goodness for Tesla and V13.2.2 and their clearsighted vision for a Camera only approach with intelligent Ai software enabling a Tesla to drive safely and fully autonomously on any road without the need for premapping..Lucid needs to licence Tesla FSD and fast, before it seriously maims or kills one of its owners...!
Well if the system doesn't function at all half of the time, then it doesn't have as many opportunities for catastrophic failures. Pretty clever!
Jordan going Multidimensional sometimes is funny!
Can you compare this to Mercedes Distronic Plus with Steering Assist?
As a car the Lucid takes some beating, but that's not directly what this test is about. Is it just me or is it not a shock that a half price Chinese vehicle, under test in the USA, but essentially, never to be available there, behaves better within the driver assistance system?
EDIT: This reminds me of my VW ID3.
The constant off and on of the system and having to keep poking at it seems to be far more dangerous and distracting than not having it at all.
FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY!!!!
My epitaph: When it works, it works...
Every time the camera fell, I thought you were getting into an accident. I would return the car if it did those swerving when it almost hit the wall or with the exit.
This is not a hard road Kyle please fix your employees this video is really scary
What the heck? That looked crazy dangerous and scary to use. And it ranked middle of the pack? I get the point about Kia stuff turning off without warning. But honestly that looked much worse than Autopilot circa 2018? Feature wise it looks on par with “enhanced autopilot” from that era when you had to initiate a lane change then it would complete it?
Good car, Software does not work, but the car is good.
Reminds me on VW.
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