How To Make A Cooling System For An Electric Vehicle
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"All hail the algorithm" and "Temporary solutions are the most permanent" on a shirt with nice SuperFast Matt graphics would be something I would buy to support and wear for inspiration!
Same here... would really like some merch like that.
I would buy it!
This could be a temporary merch solution
Yep, same.
Soon
I'm people, and I'm impressed. But still, all hail the algorithm.
How do you get to be a plural person? Is your real name Zaphod Beeblebrox?
@@SubTroppo Are we at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe????
@@justchillinout2002 More like the Confederacy of Dunces end of the universe.
hail the algorithm.
The best day of the week is when Matt uploads
I'm a pool guy, so I'm familiar with hydraulics. Running pumps in parallel the way you have it MAY cause issues with the flow rates, and potentially even the flow direction, IF the pumps are run at different speeds. If I understand your intentions with the system, they will be, correct? I THINK the effluent side configuration will be OK, but I could see issues with influent side if the pump speeds are running at very different speeds. The pump running at the higher speed could cause the flow through the lower speed pump to stall, or even reverse (not likely unless the pump is shut down completely). In the pool industry, we would employ one-way or pressure differential valves to prevent issues like that. Running the influent and effluent plumbing into common plenums will often resolve the issue as well. Running the influent side of the tow pumps to the lower radiator end cap with separate lines would likely resolve any potential issues. It's also possible it will be completely fine the way it is, lol. Just wanted to share my experience in case you do run into issues later.
This Dude...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wonder if this might be different in a pressurised system?
I've got no idea, I'm just speculating, pools generally don't have the reservoir and lines under pressure. Though then again this might not be under the same pressures seen in a vehicle cooling system
@@GingerNingerGames The pool itself is the reservoir. When in operation, all of the lines are either under pressure, or vacuum. They are not identical systems, but have common hydraulic design elements.
I read "I'm a pooR guy" and I kept wondering why being broke made you competent with hydraulics.
Then I read better.
@@Heidegaff 🤣
I really appreciate the thesis and execution of this channel.
Only complaint is that there's one video a week! Format and length are perfect though so dont want to mess that up
Hello Matt. About the leaks. When i used to work at the Saab factory in Sweden we also had problems with leaks in the cooling system. It happend when you put the clamp to close to the end of the hoose. The solution was to put the clamp no closer than 5mm to the end. Now days hooses comes with the clamp glued in the correct position. Did notice that some of your clamp was very close to the end of the hoose.
Thanks for great content. John
This has honestly become my favorite youtube channel. It's a great combination of informative and entertaining. You're killin it Matt, stay golden.
I have been binging Matt for the past few weeks now and I have not been able to stop watching, dry humor mixed with oh yeah here's where I failed is just stupid funny
Can I just express how great it is that your garage looks like an actual, completely normal, garage. Not a polished studio for perfect TH-cam shots.
I’m glad you like it because I’m definitely not going to clean it up any more than this.
For a cooling fan... I think you could nab one from a VW made in the last 10 years or so. Most take a PWM input to control speed, then you don't need an external fan controller. Usually they have 2 fans, and the controller is built into the larger fan.
How does this guy not have more subscribers? This is one of the best channels on youtube!
Yeah, hail the algorithm indeed, it's a great project, getting an old car back on the road
"Temporary solutions are the most permanent".
Truer words have never been spoken!
For reals. Once pulled an access panel off a plane built in 71, on the back it said, "Temp. RR nxt PMI Mar86" (Temporary. Remove and replace next planned maintenance interval of March 1986). We looked it over, everything was fine, we did what the last 24 PMI crews had done; checks good reinstall.
"swaping the entire garage? No!" hilarious :D
Greetings from Germany
Every episode I think I have everything all planned out for my ev conversion
And then matt comes in with 5 things I hadn't even considered to pay attention to
Please never change your narration style :)
Speaking English?
@@calholli yes English. Style refers to how it's presented
A ten second montage of cleaning a garage for a gag, you’re a champ
Restricted pub opening hours in the UK when I started boozing in the mid-1970's were a temporary measure that had started SIXTY YEARS BEFORE at the start of the 1914-1918 war. I recall standing in a pub in Aberdeen Scotland at 10 pm with a drink in hand and being confronted by a member of the bar staff who shouted "get out" in my face. In England you had another half an hour to "drink-up" (luxury). Here in Australia there are still memories of "the six-o-clock swill".
Ditto New Zealand....
though we have moved on from the sawdust on the bar floor...
at the end of the night (6pm) the sodden sawdust was shoveled out the bar door...floor clean!
THE JAG IS COMING A LONG BEAUTIFULLY MY DUDE! IM GLUED TO THE SCREEN EVERY EPISODE!
love this channel - it's the best
Agreed, surprised there's only 89k subs.
@@ka24det we need to share it more!
You moving the Jag makes me remember my uncles proverb "annoyance is a better motivator then pain, or people wouldn't endure pain to fix a annoyance"
You can't nerd-out harder than this.... :) Nice work.
Hey Matt, I love these videos. I recently saw the guys at Hoonigan do something smart to get a good bead on an aluminium coolant line. They literally welded a small bead on the edge. They said that they had been doing it for years and they build cars with insane power and cooling systems. You already have the tools to make the beads so probably not a tip as useful for you. But still worth mentioning.
Matt I extremely apreciate you uploading so regularly. You're quite the inspiration for future projects!
You are so awesome. You have captured the way the inside of my brain works. Most days its like a squirrel on massive dose of caffeine!
Awesome build... Next system need to be 5 part series with only one about the car and the other four about random knowledge and garage organization/rewiring. 😀
Probably been stated 300 times but the uneven flow thru the batteries could be helped by a reverse return system. Feed water into one side of the manifold. Then the first supply port goes to the last return port, etc
If the welder location woes continue, you can buy extension cords with the correct plugs that are rated to 50 amps. They're usually used for RVs iirc.
I think rewiring the garage would have been easier than emptying and refilling it.
I'm waiting for the next project segment that starts with a sidetrack of rewiring the garage :D
Alternately, he could have just turned the car around so that it was facing into the garage, so that the correct side of the car was closer to the outlet.
I think you should put some kind of air baffle between the grill and the radiator + between the radiator and the fan. The air always goes the easiest way and that is around the rad. Every car has some kind of air baffle there.
Yes, fan shrouds exist for a reason.
@@averyw.3939 yes I was searching for this word😂
Put simple rubber flaps on holes cut into the tight fitting shroud..so that at highway speed the fan shroud doesn't hold back the inrushing air through the grille...and the fan doesn't need to be on at all...but at low speed, the shroud makes the fan suck at all areas of the radiator...increasing the efficiency of both....
As always, the humor is just great!, it wouldn't be same without it.
I can't believe how much insanely incredible is just hidden away by the algorithm.
Interesting rather than "obstrusive". The coolant pipe in the greenhouse pipe would be a handy thing for hanging a jacket or perhaps a curtain (drapes), and posh British greenhouses do have pipes for heating running throught them.
Glory to the algorithm, may it bless you with monetization. Gloriam Omnissiah.
Really enjoy your vids. Especially your sense of humor and most importantly I always learn something from your vids. Thanks
I am definitely gonna make it a point to put 240 volt outlets on both sides of my shop when i start renovation. Thank you for bringing it up!
@Mike you aint wrong, but I'd rather just have another outlet since the walls are already down to studs, not alot of extra work.
@Mike
I'd agree with overhead extension reels or ceiling-mounted drop extensions...but a workshop handling steel that can drop and slice extension cords????
All hail the algorithm indeed. Been watching for a while and this has become a fav channel of mine
I think I speak on the Algorithm’s behalf when I say we are all anxious to see you driving this! Great presentation, as always, and I appreciate the insights into the whys of your decisions.
Getting distracted when trying to finish a project is my favorite part of any project, is the car fix almost but check out how clean my work bench is....
Just appeasing the algorithm. My 2 cents, I would have put one bigger pump upstream of the split instead of two downstream. You could then put a valve on each line downstream and dial in until you get the flow you want/ get fancy and have a temperature sensor on the outlet that alters the valve position. This will remove the need for two pumps and prevent them from fighting/hunting for coolant. Oh actually put temperature sensors on the outlet (return legs) and have them vary pump speed based on temperature. Can you have too much cooling? If not just ignore everything I have said. I haven’t finished watching the video just throwing words at my screen. Keep up the build, great job.
This right here. If you consider a scenario where one of the two pumps is off, the other may end up back-feeding from the other pump.
@@andrewshoe6832
Check valves?
The diode of the waterways....
"Functional cooling system on the (SuperfastMatt's) Jag".
That's what I've been waiting for!
Commenting for the algorithm. And because this project is so incredible. Keep it up!
This satisfied the car nerd in me. Love Teslas and fat fender cars.
I love what you have done along the way, to your Jaguar, and I'm not sure if I should be making any 'constructive' comments. Along with all of the plumbing, for the Cooling System, I have noticed that you have used lots of Rubber Hose. The Rubber Hose will not be subjected to high temperatures (110 degrees C) - or even high pressures. But the Rubber Hose will be subject to attack from chemicals, shrinking around those Fastener Clips and more particularly the oxygen in the air will degrade / attack the rubber (cracking) over time. So - with this in mind, I was thinking that Rigid PVC Tube could do a similar job, and there is a variety of sizes - and also different Wall Thicknesses to handle the pressure (if needed). If PVC was used for transporting the Coolant, there would also be no metal clips that could leak around the rubber hose. All PVC pipes and tubes can be formed, and all PVC joints are completely sealed with the special PVC Glue. Aluminium Tube will also require a good Inhibitor, or the Coolant will eat through the aluminium wall thickness. I am thinking that (when the car has been completed, it may be difficult to access those leaking tubes and rubber hoses! PVC can be painted in Matt Black, and clipped to the car body for neatness. I just had to write about this, and gauge some reaction from your Fans. Greetings from Australia.
That is perfect logic. If you have to deal with a thing once, you work around it. If you have to deal with it twice, you move the damn bench already :D
For fan speed many people use the electric volvo fans from volvo 200 700 and 900-series of cars. Cheap fans that can run in two speeds and have an external fan relay. On the fan relay you ground the inputs with an ecu or a two speed temp sensor. The double relay is built to make it that makes it impossible to run both high and low speed at the same time. Popular in many car builds where you want to change from belt driven fan to a high performance fan for a very low price.
All hail the algorithm.
.... and what all the other appreciators of your channel said, I second.
Nice!!!! I would recommend going with the "tight seal" style pinch clamp next time. Are you going put a roll cage and bring it to Bonneville?!?!?!
Sure, but then he would only have to do it once. And as we all know, it ain't done right until it's done twice.
@@litvi3460 😁😁😁
Nice design for the steering wheel
For a fan controller consider the 4.0 jeep fan controller pn RY-330K , i think dorman sells one with a pigtail as Dorman 902-303. You'll need a controller but you could realistically control several things with one microcontroller and THEN add canbus if you want to leverage anything from the tesla's network
I jumped the gun on part of this comment :)
So my favourite car build channels at the moment are:
Superfastmatt - Jag EV
Project Binky Mini bad obsession Motorsport
Edd China workshop
Ferrari 308 Honda K24 swap - StanceWorks
MacroMachines Bobtail build
Any tips on any other build build channels that are worth watching?
The quality on the above 5 are all excellent if anyone reading this hasn't watched any of them.
Great video for a great project. Can't wait for the next step.
You really should put a fan shroud on the fan/radiator. I'd recommend a cookie sheet you don't mind cutting a big hole for the fan in
British Matt is back! ❤️
For the algorithm gods - We all knew that the Jag was going to get moved because of the electrical outlets :)
this channel is going to grow big time. Very nice video again.
Just found this channel. Loving it!!
One dislike!? Who? How!? The guy probably doesn't even like bacon. Long live the Algorithm.
Thank you for giving the metric equivalents to those silly fraction thingies. I look forward to the day when the USA realises that it has its head on back to front and adopts the system used by the other 96% of the world's population. Brilliant project by the way.
You can't sleep the problems of a project so well well I got to get this done but to get this done I have to re-engineer the garage so I can get the cooling system done.
My simple interior insulation project is on day 3 or 4 and I lot count of how many times I vacuumed the floor boards but I'm currently waiting for self etching paint to dry. Organizing my truck tools, replacing a bad rear speaker.... This all started over condensation in my jute pad...
At some point I'll get back to the solar project I have all the parts for....
Love your sense of humor!!
I was laughing so hard "Temporary solutions are the most permanent". As I have so many of those permanent solutions in my projects.
Its awesome that you gave out the code
excellent - good brain on your shoulders. Fairly rare these days. I hope someone doesn't find your site and try to WOKE YOU UP....if they try just throw a wrench at them.
I like it. There’s even science and pooters and stuff.
You smashed it again; you're the best
All hail the algorithm.
Nice update.
Do you have mixed metals in your system? Is that a corrosion problem? Great videos!
I'm so excited to see this thing driving!
For fixing a hose onto a (metal) tube, there is the "Jubilee clip". British cars are full of them.
Like a true engineer work on all the things at once
Do you have mixed metals in your cooling loop? Dunno if that'll be an issue or not. Then again I guess it's all probably aluminum eh?
The coolant should have enough anti corrosion stuff in it to prevent that, a car's cooling system is normally all kinds of metal (Ali heads and radiators, steel block, brass fittings and sensors)
Great video Matt. I'm really enjoying this build.
Yeah Boy! Another nice episode.. W. Edwards Deming, “Without data, you're just another person with an opinion.”
IDK if you've done this already... but I'd love to have a video concentrated on the price of everything. It seems like a simple enough project on the surface, but I bet you have thousands upon thousands tied up into this thing already, and I'd be curious to see those numbers and where it all goes.
I hate keeping track of cost. I'm sure it's a lot.
@@SuperfastMatt That's too bad because I think we'd all like to see a video on that. Even if its ballpark numbers
I think you're the first person I've seen who has used the Arduino Nano Every. How fancy!
Runs great on automotive electrical.
Might've been faster to install another outlet or circuit in the garage. :) This is really awesome work - ignore the comments from all of those that actually know where their 10mm sockets are.
Another great entertaining video. I so want to see the Jag on the road.
Thank you British Matt!
For 20 odd years I have been saying that auto manufacturers need to use the excess heat from the exhaust to run air conditioning, the same way that a gas fridge works.
I guess it takes an innovative company like Tesla to work that out.
I also think that a small heat exchange cooler would be a good way to cool the air coming from turbos in an intercooler. An integrated heat exchange and turbo is what I think would be a good idea.
This episode I spot on for my project Matt. Thank you. I'm using an electric pump on my ducati supermono replica and want to control the speed of flow. Can I do this with simple bosch pumps as found on mercs for auxiliary heating systems or do they have to be a clever motor? I'm a spanner and lathe man so not so clever on the electronic front.
You might want consider a fan shroud to prevent air to go around the radiator.
This improves cooling and you might be able to switch the fan off while driving on the highway.
Fairly cheap temp switches exist that would fit your operating temp but installing a proper sensor is a better way and the rest is just coding.
A large fan shroud with simple rubber check valves (flaps)around the perimeter...
so at low speeds the rubber check valves are closed allowing the fans to work efficiently and pull air in from all over the radiator....and at speed, the check flaps open from the rush of air coming in the grille and through the radiator so the "tight" shroud does not impede air flow...and the fan does not need to run at all...
man i love this guy's builds. as an aspiring mechanical engineer, i find his work, process, designs, tooling etc truly inspiring. that said, anyone else notice he's always squinting/narrowing his eyes at every other sentence. huge pet peeve, not to mention really distracting. totally detracts from all the awesome stuff hes got going on. probably looking into it more than i should be, but it makes him come off as way more of an arrogant douche than i imagine he is in person.
Love the arduino solution...imagine if you could setup the entire car based on a dozen or so arduinos and not have to worry about proprietary unmodifiable, "special tools" black boxes that put you at the whim of Telsa or GM or any of those other "gimme gimme, mine mine" monsters.
Except an Arduino is pretty much an unmodifiable black box if you don't have the source code.
Matt…..I’m not gonna get distracted….
Brain….I don’t authorise extension cords.
Matt….Plan B.
3:55 true, mounted my 2 pound cpu cooler in my motherboard using zipties, still there after a year.
Install outlets on both sides of the garage.
Using two pumps, can you install something like a bathroom mixer in there to have a single input to manage both flows?
All hail the algorithm
Nice cooling system 👍👍
Sounds like you planned some of this!
This was chill.
As you might be aware, if you have a manifold that doesn't distribute the flows very evenly you can install a second manifold of the same design where the tubes come together again but reverse the orientation so the highest flow outlet connects to the lowest flow inlet. It won't be perfect but it will be a lot closer.
ALGORITHM in tact, sir.
It looks like Your hose connections are leaking because the clamp on the wrong side of the bead? Also Cheap Jubilee clips don’t hold that much pressure but hose clamps like you get on v-bands are excellent and easy to remove
Fantastic work
To anyone who might consider undertaking a project like this, *don't design like this!* At least if you want your stuff to be dependable and have a reasonable OEM-like servce life.
1. The battery has cooling AND heating need! You shall NOT soley rely on convection cooling unless you have a *very* good derating tune in your BMS. This can't be achieved by only monitoring temperatures, but you have to monitor power demand and react your cooling need proactively.
2. The powertronic circuit has way higher working point than the battery circuit, thus you shall not use the same rad for these two circuits.
3. If you want any decent life expectancy from your battery, especially if you live in a cold and/or hot- or high place, the battery circuit shall have active cooling and heating. A convection radiator is NOT going to cut it unless you only use your vehicle at sea level in perfect weather places. (density altitude affect convection cooling performance massively)
Whenever charging or using battery current the battery temp should be at bath-warm condition at all time 15*C, whenever outside this range; tune your BMS to current- and powerlimit (both for charging AND for vehicle consumption). Keep your powertronics coolant at < 65*C at all times otherwise you need your inverter to torque derate. Machine cooling is the least critical and generally never a problem. Since the working point of this system is so much higher than anything else (upwards of 120*C) you can however save a bunch of headache if you make it on its separate circuit, thus releasing heat stress from the other two circuits and their components.
You can flow-control the pumps for a short extra cooling "boost" before the fan-command actually start moving heat from the system. Again, this must be done proactively by monitoring torque- or power demand and not due to a temperature sensor detecting it (by then heat has already built up and you're too late!)
What is it with those jingles between "chapters" of a video? Never understood that, it's more confusing to me XD
All hail the algorithm!
I wish I had the time, money and knowledge to do that. But even if I had, getting something like this roadworthy here in germany is a nightmare.
Superb, as always
Awesome work, you should try to do a better job about Audi cooling system because is bad
In case you didn't know, you are competing with project Binky for coolest TH-cam build.
I think they may finish their car before, but they had a 6 year head start.
Both channels are fantastic!
There's no way BOM finishes Binky before Matt is done with the Jag. I agree, both are great channels.
@@tkreitler I think you may be right. The BOM boys are a bit nuts.