As a security eng I can't wait for management teams to save money using Devin to write unsafe code and to then hire me for more than twice the amount they would've originally spent.
For real, this is literally only useful to make very simple programs that are super well documented or to troubleshoot documentation. Good luck getting an AI to fix a major 0day once you've fired all your engineers.
@@dess3597 Interesting,in the future they might hire humans who lowball Devin with extra features/price. We will go full cycle,in India you can abuse your devs a lot and they won't leave,sad.
3:29 I mean... "I wrote good code, but not perfect code" is something I would say on a post-mortem explaining why I took down production costing the company thousands...
Honestly, I've lost all anxiety about this recently knowning the vast majority of companies are in the technical stone age and can't even get the basics right.
Until an AI consultant / project manager that can implement code on the backend comes around in a couple years at least. Maybe it won't happen, but 4-5 companies are spending billions upon billions and a good chunk of that is going towards AI engineering teams.
@@TheBruceKellerAn AI team? Not necessary. In the Stone Age? Who? Software companies are not in the stone age, in fact they are the ones who have the knowledge about this kind of things.People often say that "if AI replaces programmers then it can replace anything, we should be the last to worry." I I say that if AI is not useful in the IT sector, then it is not useful in any other sector and then AI would be worthless. 😂 We are in a bubble and the future is uncertain. After the bubble, money will be generated in a reasonable manner again. Companies will make more money by needing fewer people. If more companies are created, the number of jobs will grow; otherwise, companies will make more money but with fewer people.
If you steal from one person it's a property theft. If you steal from a million people it's research. Good lock shutting it down because it used one function from your repo.
nah. the process technically emulates a form of clean room reverse engineering, generating matrices of numbers representing concepts and their associative links to tokens like "struct" "bool" and even syntax. once you have that idea that you're looking at how things are structured in a general sense across many domains rather than caring about the content of one programmer's github account, the context changes enough that arguments around ownership or intellectual property become irrelevant. same reason the furries won't get anywhere with litigation over ai that generates "art" (read as pron) it's just not copyright infringement, because you're not actually copying anything, the system is generating massive ammounts of non human legible data that simply represent concepts, ideas and tokens in massive matrixes of numbers, nothing about it is copyrightable same as the living contents of your brain cannot be copyrighted, and believe me, the media industry has actually tried to argue that what exists in your head is someone else's property. the key here is the sheer quantity of training data is so massive, so incomphrehensible to the average human in scale, that they mistakenly believe that any single thing substantively contributes to the training, in reality, it does not. getting mad about it has all the effect of pulling a tantrum over one black feather on a white dove, nobody really cares. truth is, your brain, does the same thing, it takes in everything and it makes associate links between concepts, nothing is new, or original, everything is inspired or copied or based on something else, there is nothing new under the sun. in a very general sense that's equivalent to something that's in us, that's why people feel so threatened by it, it's an implicit admission of these systems being quite capable at automating through mass computation, what was arrogantly assumed to be something that only human cognition could produce. only the supremely arrogant or narcissistic or stupid would believe they are unique and create totally original things that are valuable simply because of that fact. they found a loophole and it's so huge and so obvious to anybody who knows about stuff like clean room reverse engineering, intellectual property rights and copyright abuses will know that the legal system tends to err on the side of the people (a.k.a less enforcement, more reasonable doubt) in civil matters, and that's another thing, it's not even criminal law, copyright is civil law in most countries, so nobody in govt cares anyway and they've already been burned pretty hard going after movie and tv piracy the last 20 years, they're not keen to get on their soapbox about copyright and Ai any time soon.
I think another problem is, as more tools get developed for Software Engineering, Data Science, etc AI can only train on data from real engineers. If we replace everything with something like Devin, as soon as there is a new software product or update to a product there will be no new training data for the AI to learn on and it’s performance will get exponentially worse and more deprecated as time goes on. I’ve already seen instances where ChatGPT will recommend deprecated library imports that don’t even exist anymore due to bug fixes and updates to library syntax. For a developer that might be a 5 minute fix but if you’re HR and know nothing about programming and Devin doesn’t have the updated knowledge to fix the issue something like that can break an entire program when pushed to production with no checks…
This is one of my most common gripes. Since they're web scrapers will no real sense of time, they love using modules/functions that don't exist anymore. They you say hey this was deprecated, and it'll reply my bad you're totally right, and then proceed to give new code that's also deprecated. Then when you say that's gone too, it just gives you back the same one it did previously.
@@archadesSometimes, the code isn't even deprecated and its just a bunch of lines of code with some syntax error and non-existent library... And this happens in paid models as well!! Not just in the free version
Devin: * hallucinates like every LLM-based AI, an unsolvable problem for the foreseeable future * extremely biased towards well-documented tasks, terrible with novel asks * powered by a small country's worth of fuel and water, maintained by a group of dorks in SF Eastern European: * doesn't hallucinate (as long as they live >30 miles from Chernobyl) * can handle unexpected / novel requests * powered by meat skewers, raw and grilled vegetables, and local moonshine * same price as Devin but also fun to talk to
You mad bro? Are you hiring ppl from gulag? or north Koreans? Even eastern Europe will require 30$ per hour or you will get a junior after boot camp. From rural Belarus or warzone ukraine
I Used to work as a game programmer at a small mobile-game company. The guy incharge would never be clear with what he actually wanted, always gave vague instructions, every weekend he would play some new game and change the design/specs during the monday stand-up. I would love to see how devin works for people like that.
Okay, what I took from this: Nothing. I was just told that Devin is the same thing as GPT, but has a garbage interface. In essence, I was told not to bother.
And a ridiculous price tag… like a corporation will ever allow such thing to fly and get all it’s proprietary data to sell it for 2c, like a browser plugin…
@@badoiuecristian I bet that price is still at a loss. The AI bubble will eventually collapse once the miracle they keep expecting to occur doesn't happen.
@@__BLOOD__ You went to the trouble of opening it and going to the comments and posting a reply though. Seems like a lot of unnecessary trouble for someone determined not to actually watch it.
@@badoiuecristianif you think a version of this will not be available that does not collect enterprise data, you are very wrong. there are already MANY enterprise AI products that do not collect company data.
it's not Slack-only, you can actually use it without Slack, they just intentionally made it convoluted to use it without Slack so that they can save time while they're scaling up their infrastructure it can write autonomously but you can intervene (see "use Devin's machine" in the web interface)
CEOs literally poop their pants at terminal velocity to hire offshore developers for $10 per hour to write worthless code that breaks your application and they happily let them work remotely. Why would they want Devin to come to the office for even less?
@ fair to say, those AI are making profit out of hardworking devs, with blood & tears. It's unfair to not tax all kind of AI to give people a break from rat race..
In most of my last jobs as software developer one of my main tasks was to find out what the people actually wanted/needed. The project owners were mainly sitting in meetings and apparently didn't have the time (or skills) to write properly defined task descriptions. So I don't think that any of these tools will replace the developmenr in the near future. But management, on the other hand...
@@trollwarlord2967 Productivity is when you have best of both worlds a well seasoned Dev's and Tools like Cursor,Bolt and plethora of other tools tat are available, Tat is something which can accelerate Productivity multiple folds.
Where are you going after you die? What happens next? Have you ever thought about that? Repent today and give your life to Jesus Christ to obtain eternal salvation. Tomorrow may be too late my brethen😢. Hebrews 9:27 says "And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after that the judgement
@@JesusPlsSaveMe There is no Jesus, there is no God, it's all a lie to take your money and loyalty. And if God exists, you'll be at the side of the Devil, burning in Hell like the rest of us.
What a security nightmare. All a hacker needs to do is gain access to Slack and tell Devin to import their malicious package in a new feature, and kaboom
Software Architect who has either tried most of these, or knows somebody well who has. They work great for generating boilerplate (I even had GHC generste a HolyC wrapper for something, just for fun.) What these AI systems won’t tell you is what to write, or why, or how to write it to please users, or even how exactly the components should be put together. I predict a lot more apps coming as a result of all this, but a lot fewer useful ones as a portion of the whole.
Part of the thing as well is that software devs and teams interpret the idea we're making. We understand the task at hand and have to dig into what the user actually wants and is asking us to do. We have to learn how the thing is actually supposed to work, and in cases plan for future changes. Getting Bob from accounting to ask for random shit is probably not going to go great, users don't really know exactly what they want or how to ask for it. Like cool, it compiles. Oh wait, the IRS is here to audit us because Bob had our tax software replaced with some shit Devin spit out.
I feel like people who constantly praise AI's ability to code have never used AI to code. Almost every time I use it to do anything even slightly difficult it falls flat on its face with code that just doesn't work or it will hallucinate libraries and modules that don't exist.
this is so the truth! i remember a year ago i begged it over and over and it assured me that the package method is there, only to google it and tell me it doesnt exist PEOPLE these tools are amazing but DO NOT USE THIS TO GENERATE CODE, use it to help you understand so you can write it.
exactly. Coders who actually use it as a tool almost never get it to write code. The code it writes is terrible. Its main use is in being a faster version of google. like "Tell me the typical ways that someone might solve X problem, with the pros/cons of each". For simple questions like that it's just a much faster search engine, its essentially just repeating responses from Stack overflow (slightly tailored to your exact problem). But that still doesn't mean you should trust anything it gives you. The key is to understand why it gave the answer it did, and then do the actual coding yourself.
This is patently wrong. Have you used the latest AI tools? It writes decent code and extremely fast. And it has codebase-wide context. In just the past few months huge strides have been made
@@jorgedardon5487 Yeah I've tried Github Copilot for a couple of weeks. All it was good for is copying my existing code and changing names to create boilerplate for a new entity like service of repository. If i was throwing any request involving actual app logic at it, it always failed miserably.
I can just imagine the frustration of security folks at these companies trying to explain to their visionary CTO that no, we're not going to give this thing access, but being overruled anyway.
@@vaolin1703 100% but think of it this way, the day a machine really learns to think would it not be able to do all jobs anyway? Could it not just make a better version of itself faster than we can make a better version of itself? And then it can make other machines that cost less and are more efficient than we can fathom for other tasks.
@@unbeatengamer755 Yes, that‘s what people call a technological singularity. I‘m sure it‘s possible to create a superhuman AI, and that would indeed make humans obsolete, but it may be that this is not possible to achieve with digital computing.
@@vaolin1703 I'd have absolutely 0 problems to bet my life savings on that nothing similar to any of that will happen in 21st century, probably not in 22nd either.
@@vaolin1703 true, this type of IA whe have now days is very limited in those terms, much of it is pretending to be like that, but still its not even close to thought
It’s a bold move to develop an AI aimed at replacing developers while relying solely on basic large language models-especially at a time when the EU and other countries are tightening regulations on software and electronic product durability, particularly around bugs and defects. Anyone choosing to rely on such software to cut down on development effort should seriously consider getting a robust software insurance policy. This type of insurance is likely to become an incredibly lucrative market in the future, especially as more customers begin trusting solutions like Devin.
WHat are you guys going to do when you are out of a job and many years and thousands spent on an obsolete education. In the meantime factories have to import workers from other countries.
@@togowackwhy is this a fantasy for so many people? Almost no developer is concerned, and even if they lost their jobs immediately, the skillset is applicable to a wide range of fields. Most have the mindset to fit in and will fit in.
Therapy prices are bout to skyrocket. I get mad talking to customer service AI, I can only imagine how many headaches i'd get trying to explain to the AI what it needs to do.
This actually happens, last week I saw a Svelte job position (yeah, super rare) asking for a developer with 5 years of Svelte/Sveltekit experience, Sveltekit 1.0 came out December 2022, 2 years ago... And 5 years ago Svelte had a completely different syntax and features, its crazy
We will get developers experienced with AI tools. Remember when u had to know syntax? Now you wont even need to know specific language, just how to put everything together.
@@sewur5034bingo. So many other realms and tools to understand to make great and reliable applications. Security, cloud, networking, database, system architecture, and so on. Coding is a very small part of it.
@@sewur5034 yeah tried that, but AI is not a very reliable interface to work with especially when it comes to programming, I tried writing long prompts to tell it write the code in a very specific way, but somehow the more I explain the dumber it acts. LLMs are pretty good for doing researching, learning about different algorithms, concepts and overall reading old documentations, but generating logical statements where there are tons of ways to mess up, is not something I would want from them.
Thanks for summarizing Steve's video for me, I was lazy watching 8 minutes of his content instead I watched your 5 min summary and saved me some time and saw some funny memes
Here as a data science engineer. No current AI can’t come for your job . Most of job in IT is support only . Only 10% do the coding . But that doesn’t mean it won’t come in future . Remember this is just initial version and it will get better only . So keep learning
Bro, the last time I copied/pasted all of Claude's suggestions incrementally, my app was messed up and was almost impossible to understand after a few iterations. So they have already replaced us lmao
@@spforward918 .... maybe. ime the client, pm pipeline is wont to treat poc as 'product'. I'm sure we all know a story of someone(s) who tried to launch w/ a dirt cheap outsourced mess of an offering. Same is gone hapn w/ devin i think
@@spforward918 Devs are horrible at giving estimates. It's true. Devin looks to give quite a bit of establishing documentation and history, but it will deliver software faster than a human developer. I have no real doubts about that. Still, it's hard to say what the true cost of this would be. I would hate to get rid of any developer if instead I could have them using generative AI to code where it makes sense and as the technology improves. The problem is still the same at the end of the day. There exists some series of instructions that will get the computer to perform an operation that produces an expected output. If the instructions are written in "plain English", so be it.
@@htpkeythan why did countless witnesses sacrifice there life to spread the gospel ? Why does the Bible come together over thousands of years to point to the work of Christ ? How does the Old Testament prophecy Jesus Christ if he was let God ? And how thousands of years later is this “lie” still working and changing people’s lives. God is real Jesus Christ died for your sins and if you evolve in him you will be saved.
@@htpkey Jesus was a common name just like john today which was also a common name then. But THAT Jesus was nor mere man and certainly not a god, he is the God and all will kneel before him, willingly or not
@@vaolin1703 An example is Grok 2. It's brand new and many sane AI companies are now using it. Do you think Devin would be able to work with Grok and understand how it behaves? Remember that it's not just prompt engineering, but in general building software is a lot more than writing code that just runs or compiles.
who the fuck wants to work? I'm still in search of the algorithm that will optimise the amount of time I spend working to getting paid ( I want to slack off)
Bro every tool we make is in a quest to reduce work to zero. Factory managers want to show up in the morning, make a coffee, and watch the factory run itself. Software devs want to be able to tell a program to write programs. It's all the same through history. Less time working more time doing literally anything else.
It's funny and equally terrifying how software developers are creating software that would take most of their jobs and still race faster for their creation.
they have a $50/month tier too, but even that actually works out to $1100/month, because $50 and $500 figures aren't actually all-inclusive, you need to pay compute credits on top of them
@@AtlassianTarsier Bachelor in Computer Applications (BCA) (3 year course). I know Java, Python, HTML, CSS, JS along with the libraries like ReactJS and frameworks like NodeJS (typical full stack Web Dev). Was also taught DSA in college. I live in Delhi, India and a major MNC offers packages starting usd $114/month (inr 10k). Average is around $297/month(inr 25k) - $446/month(inr 40k). Got admission in a Canada Diploma mill for cad$42000 (usd $30000) but had to stay back due to health issues. God knows where I am going lol.
@@shubhamsehgal2336 im from Holland and would like to ask you some questions about Canada Im trying to migrate to the country Im a full stack web dev and can help you too
That someone would most likely be a software engineer btw or someone with an experience in tech field but the problem is, that pair of devin and the engineer would do the job with insane productivity which coupd kill the need of more engineers and hence less employment
Copying and scrubbing with Devin ain’t gonna get more productive, all business product codes have secrets key, unique api, complex multiple end point calls / library import order specific to business use cases. Copying bunch of GitHub payloads doesn’t actually deliver a product grade code with more productivity. If the business is any valuable like $2M+ revenue, ceo and non tech product manager would still want to hire a legit Eng to stamp that code into production.
Learn to interact with. And effectively steer AI, learn to use AI as a customizable, extensible Tool that you can leverage for your tasks. AI can add to your Value proposition as an Employee, or Consultant, but you gotta build the skills to wrangle the technology to serve your puposes. You still gotta be the problem solver, no matter what job you are in. The tools change, the job description does not.
I work mostly in operations, I often ask ai tools to wite ansible playbooks as a test. They never work, or even worse - they almost always do something else to than what I asked for.
Not checked into it yet, but some AI expert said AI companies are way overvalued. They’re all valued in the billions and zillions with very little actual income to justify their valuation. Basically said the AI bubble is going to burst at some point.
I haven’t used Devin but from my experience with other AI coding agents Devin is definitely not worth $8/hr. They love to hallucinate code, and will remove code they deem unnecessary just because it’s not part of the problem they’re solving (even if it’s required)
In my company there's nobody hallucinating having no engineers, what they want is to give us stuff like Devin and measure an increase in productivity, they're quite transparent about what the idea is, that makes the slack thing pointless, because it's not the middle managers that will interact with it, they STILL want human AI wranglers to deal with the AI's nonsense, so the people interacting with the AIs will always be engineers or people with access and knowledge of the codebase Those people don't need to use freaking Slack to make the AI do stuff
@@danhorus same, I've been using Devin for two months and not using Slack at all, the only thing is they purposefully make it difficult (not impossible) to sign up without Slack because they need time to scale up the infrastructure
Im wondering if as time goes on and companies begin to rely more on AI software engineering and computer science curriculums begins to focus more on writing queries to AI rather than writing raw code, if at that point the less common traditional software engineers will be paid even more due to a diminished supply of traditional engineers who have the ability to really understand the underlying code and fix nuanced problems.
@Sonario648 what i actually meant was how Managers or clients give vague requirements and then you have to spend time trying to figure out what's actually expected from you... not gonna work with AI
What this video overlooks is that most non-technical people have no clue how development tasks are actually approached. Imagine you’re a company trying to build financial software - what are you going to prompt Devin with? "Make a financial app" and pray it somehow nails it? Or spend weeks writing a 100-page spec, hoping it won’t lose context halfway through? You still need someone who understands how software works, someone to guide Devin as an assistant. And that’s how most software engineers use AI: as a tool for specific needs. Some don’t use it at all. Others rely on it just for autosuggest/autocomplete. Then there are those who use it for simple, tedious tasks - stuff that’s straightforward but not worth wasting time on. Some use it to brainstorm and iterate over ideas. But anyone who tries to use AI-generated code as-is quickly learns it wasn't such a hot idea after all. AI can’t replace the judgment, creativity, or experience of an actual engineer. Not yet, anyway. It’s a brilliant assistant but an awful software engineer.
There are calculators that can do all your maths but still there are financial experts in companies. The same camera will produce different results for a professional and a novice. The point is tools change the people using the tools will still be programmers , the AI wont just take a description and make the app debug it , deploy it and maintain it . The AI will be the tool that engineering teams use to create and maintain software.
In my current position I have like 90% of my work that is making sure specs are up to date, that the APIs and services are getting the right data and processing the right schemas ,etc... And then for each step I have to get informations from people that are sometimes not really willing to help (knows the answer but just sends you to someoke else). I don't see how an IA could take my job and be actually efficient. I don't think it will go anywhere, at least at the hallucinating LLM stage.
I'm not a developer but I believe this tool will give more work to current developers. I even tried to use Ai tools to code for my client's side end up the site looks hideous and we call developer to solve our problem. what a time we live in
This line got me: 'When I first heard Devin was released, I was terrified-but then I was relieved to hear he got stuck in Vim like the rest of us!' 🤣🤣🤣
I've been a professional programmer for 18 years, and I really couldn't imagine a world where it is a personal problem for me how well AI can integrate into the development of software. I get minor benefits from it already. Even in a world with AI developers, human developers will be put in the middle, or will have more capabilities as programmers than they did before. Executives and product types aren't going to get better results by cutting human software developers out of the loop.
The trouble is it won’t be programmers using it so there won’t be anyone to check nonsense and extraneous imports or just plain wrong. We will end up back in the 90s when I switched to web development and designers “code” using a tool and we end up with table based web pages. Use case I can see I’d actually use is checking for package updates, breaking changes (and no codemod) across more than one repo that I wasted two days on and a human stops seeing the issues on repeated changes.
You don’t need a fancy vector database to build AI or RAG apps. Just use pgai with Postgres tsdb.co/ts-fireship-da
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As a security eng I can't wait for management teams to save money using Devin to write unsafe code and to then hire me for more than twice the amount they would've originally spent.
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For real, this is literally only useful to make very simple programs that are super well documented or to troubleshoot documentation. Good luck getting an AI to fix a major 0day once you've fired all your engineers.
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This guy gets it
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"trust-me-bro benchmark" should become the official name of those benchmarks
how will they appeal to investors then :(
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Devin is $8/hr. This proves that even AI won't work for minimum wage.
Yet...
Crazy outcome. The irony is the more features they build, the higher this price will likely go too since it will require more compute time.
@@dess3597 Interesting,in the future they might hire humans who lowball Devin with extra features/price. We will go full cycle,in India you can abuse your devs a lot and they won't leave,sad.
@@dess3597 yes but if they can do in one hour what a human can do in one month, humans will not be able to compete :/
@@DesignThinkerer sounds anecdotal
3:29 I mean... "I wrote good code, but not perfect code" is something I would say on a post-mortem explaining why I took down production costing the company thousands...
Honestly, I've lost all anxiety about this recently knowning the vast majority of companies are in the technical stone age and can't even get the basics right.
And they're constrained by a budget they are able to spend on modernization
Thats true....thx
Until an AI consultant / project manager that can implement code on the backend comes around in a couple years at least. Maybe it won't happen, but 4-5 companies are spending billions upon billions and a good chunk of that is going towards AI engineering teams.
@@TheBruceKellerAn AI team? Not necessary. In the Stone Age? Who? Software companies are not in the stone age, in fact they are the ones who have the knowledge about this kind of things.People often say that "if AI replaces programmers then it can replace anything, we should be the last to worry." I I say that if AI is not useful in the IT sector, then it is not useful in any other sector and then AI would be worthless. 😂
We are in a bubble and the future is uncertain. After the bubble, money will be generated in a reasonable manner again. Companies will make more money by needing fewer people. If more companies are created, the number of jobs will grow; otherwise, companies will make more money but with fewer people.
$ 500 per month, FULL REMOTE, and he doesn't have to attend teambuilding/meetups? Bro's gotta worry about humans taking over his job real fast.
And write garbage code introducing bugs along the way on top of that
@@SilisAlin not much different from me lmaooo
@SilisAlin just like a real engineer.
@@litebands4349 atleast you're going to feel bad about writing sh*t code.
Delvin is IA (Actually Indian),tons of juniors under the hood pumping fast code lol
if it's ripping my GitHub repo Devin will be shut down very fast
For the amount of bullsh*t code I have there it may become sentient.
Realest thing I've ever heard
If you steal from one person it's a property theft. If you steal from a million people it's research. Good lock shutting it down because it used one function from your repo.
nah. the process technically emulates a form of clean room reverse engineering, generating matrices of numbers representing concepts and their associative links to tokens like "struct" "bool" and even syntax. once you have that idea that you're looking at how things are structured in a general sense across many domains rather than caring about the content of one programmer's github account, the context changes enough that arguments around ownership or intellectual property become irrelevant.
same reason the furries won't get anywhere with litigation over ai that generates "art" (read as pron) it's just not copyright infringement, because you're not actually copying anything, the system is generating massive ammounts of non human legible data that simply represent concepts, ideas and tokens in massive matrixes of numbers, nothing about it is copyrightable same as the living contents of your brain cannot be copyrighted, and believe me, the media industry has actually tried to argue that what exists in your head is someone else's property.
the key here is the sheer quantity of training data is so massive, so incomphrehensible to the average human in scale, that they mistakenly believe that any single thing substantively contributes to the training, in reality, it does not. getting mad about it has all the effect of pulling a tantrum over one black feather on a white dove, nobody really cares.
truth is, your brain, does the same thing, it takes in everything and it makes associate links between concepts, nothing is new, or original, everything is inspired or copied or based on something else, there is nothing new under the sun. in a very general sense that's equivalent to something that's in us, that's why people feel so threatened by it, it's an implicit admission of these systems being quite capable at automating through mass computation, what was arrogantly assumed to be something that only human cognition could produce.
only the supremely arrogant or narcissistic or stupid would believe they are unique and create totally original things that are valuable simply because of that fact.
they found a loophole and it's so huge and so obvious to anybody who knows about stuff like clean room reverse engineering, intellectual property rights and copyright abuses will know that the legal system tends to err on the side of the people (a.k.a less enforcement, more reasonable doubt) in civil matters, and that's another thing, it's not even criminal law, copyright is civil law in most countries, so nobody in govt cares anyway and they've already been burned pretty hard going after movie and tv piracy the last 20 years, they're not keen to get on their soapbox about copyright and Ai any time soon.
No it won't.
My biggest fear is that a kid called Keylvynn who vapes and says words like skibiddi and rizz is going to come take my job.
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God, this attitude is so obnoxious. I get it, you don't want to get young people, you are very unique.
As a security engineer i see it as an absolute win😂😂😂😂
I think another problem is, as more tools get developed for Software Engineering, Data Science, etc AI can only train on data from real engineers. If we replace everything with something like Devin, as soon as there is a new software product or update to a product there will be no new training data for the AI to learn on and it’s performance will get exponentially worse and more deprecated as time goes on. I’ve already seen instances where ChatGPT will recommend deprecated library imports that don’t even exist anymore due to bug fixes and updates to library syntax. For a developer that might be a 5 minute fix but if you’re HR and know nothing about programming and Devin doesn’t have the updated knowledge to fix the issue something like that can break an entire program when pushed to production with no checks…
This is one of my most common gripes. Since they're web scrapers will no real sense of time, they love using modules/functions that don't exist anymore. They you say hey this was deprecated, and it'll reply my bad you're totally right, and then proceed to give new code that's also deprecated. Then when you say that's gone too, it just gives you back the same one it did previously.
@@archadesSometimes, the code isn't even deprecated and its just a bunch of lines of code with some syntax error and non-existent library... And this happens in paid models as well!! Not just in the free version
Only if you push unreviewed untested nonworking AI code to your repos!
Devin:
* hallucinates like every LLM-based AI, an unsolvable problem for the foreseeable future
* extremely biased towards well-documented tasks, terrible with novel asks
* powered by a small country's worth of fuel and water, maintained by a group of dorks in SF
Eastern European:
* doesn't hallucinate (as long as they live >30 miles from Chernobyl)
* can handle unexpected / novel requests
* powered by meat skewers, raw and grilled vegetables, and local moonshine
* same price as Devin but also fun to talk to
You mad bro? Are you hiring ppl from gulag? or north Koreans? Even eastern Europe will require 30$ per hour or you will get a junior after boot camp. From rural Belarus or warzone ukraine
You underestimate the cost of meat, vegetables and moonshine. These days you won't find a decent specialist in Eastern Europe for less than $15/hour.
Huh, I am not sure if any of us work for $500/month with 24 availability.
I'm eastern European and I approve this message.
The blyats are always super underrated. There are some good devs over there
I Used to work as a game programmer at a small mobile-game company. The guy incharge would never be clear with what he actually wanted, always gave vague instructions, every weekend he would play some new game and change the design/specs during the monday stand-up. I would love to see how devin works for people like that.
Devin wont complain and wont quit :) Which will at first feel like an improvement for the guy in charge....
He needs a taste of his own medicine lol
I want to see how it works out too. Maybe "that kind" of guy will finally understand that HE IS the problem and not the other way around...
@@12ryudragon No that kind of guy will always find someone else to blame whether its the devs or the AI is of no consequence.
Devin vs Devin
Okay, what I took from this:
Nothing. I was just told that Devin is the same thing as GPT, but has a garbage interface. In essence, I was told not to bother.
And a ridiculous price tag… like a corporation will ever allow such thing to fly and get all it’s proprietary data to sell it for 2c, like a browser plugin…
@@badoiuecristian I bet that price is still at a loss. The AI bubble will eventually collapse once the miracle they keep expecting to occur doesn't happen.
thanks for the summary, i am not watching another fireshit clickbaity fearmongering video, not worth my time
@@__BLOOD__ You went to the trouble of opening it and going to the comments and posting a reply though. Seems like a lot of unnecessary trouble for someone determined not to actually watch it.
@@badoiuecristianif you think a version of this will not be available that does not collect enterprise data, you are very wrong. there are already MANY enterprise AI products that do not collect company data.
DEVIN:
- **$500/mo** AI engineer
- **Slack-only** interface
- **Writes/tests/ships code autonomously**
- **$2B** valuation
- **No benchmarks/revenue**
- Works better on mainstream tech
- Standard AI flaws: **hallucination, mistakes**
I don't know where Fireship got the Slack thing from, but it seems wrong. ThePrimeagen tested Devin for hours today and he didn't use Slack at all
I don't know where Fireship got the Slack thing from. Prime tested Devin for hours today on stream and he didn't use Slack at all
it's not Slack-only, you can actually use it without Slack, they just intentionally made it convoluted to use it without Slack so that they can save time while they're scaling up their infrastructure
it can write autonomously but you can intervene (see "use Devin's machine" in the web interface)
Only does fixes thru Microsoft GitHub comments too 😂 The whole thing is built on slop.
The valuation is absurd. Soon there will be 100 copies of Devin, and they will suck just like poor Devin.
my decade long laziness of not learning new code an technologies has finally paid off
😂 ,you did it bro
same bro. Just believe in yourself and listen inner voice its never wrong.
Yup, I always new AI would come to steal programmers' jobs.
Still waiting on that clueless CEO to be like "Tell that Devin guy we're RTO no more remote work!" and then lay Devin off shortly after
lolololololol. top comment
I'm sure the CEO would be convinced that an employee being paid $500/month is a legitimate employee too 😂
@@armywhammer-dc9qk employees have to be natural persons per statute, Devin AI isn't an employee, it's a non-person actor
CEOs literally poop their pants at terminal velocity to hire offshore developers for $10 per hour to write worthless code that breaks your application and they happily let them work remotely. Why would they want Devin to come to the office for even less?
@@erkinalp thats the joke
If Devin is stealing from my GitHub repo, I feel sorry for him.
Thank you for the sympathy, it was a mess to get through
@@devingearing lol
@@devingearing 😂
😅😅
If you're on my GitHub I got news for you son. I've got 99 issues and I'm not fixin a one
I think we can charge $92/hr to fix what it made
this is too low ,make $500/hr
Agree
we can charge more, but there will always be desperate people who will charge even less
@ fair to say, those AI are making profit out of hardworking devs, with blood & tears.
It's unfair to not tax all kind of AI to give people a break from rat race..
@@thanatosorwell said
In most of my last jobs as software developer one of my main tasks was to find out what the people actually wanted/needed. The project owners were mainly sitting in meetings and apparently didn't have the time (or skills) to write properly defined task descriptions.
So I don't think that any of these tools will replace the developmenr in the near future.
But management, on the other hand...
Short answer : those who have critical thinking, logic/reasoning are still safe.
In India, it is still cheaper to hire someone than devin's subscription/hr.
It's almost same now I got it why Amazon hired bunch of Indians for it's Ai.
But you still wont get that productivity that Devin would offer regardless of how cheap the labor market is.
thats depressing
@@rohitaryavart9823define productivity also boilerplate doesn’t count
@@trollwarlord2967 Productivity is when you have best of both worlds a well seasoned Dev's and Tools like Cursor,Bolt and plethora of other tools tat are available, Tat is something which can accelerate Productivity multiple folds.
I can rest in peace now as Devin will handle bugs, security concerns and my job!
Where are you going after you die?
What happens next? Have you ever thought about that?
Repent today and give your life to Jesus Christ to obtain eternal salvation. Tomorrow may be too late my brethen😢.
Hebrews 9:27 says "And as it is appointed unto man once to die, but after that the judgement
Yeah, the graveyards are opening their doors... 😅
@@JesusPlsSaveMe There is no Jesus, there is no God, it's all a lie to take your money and loyalty. And if God exists, you'll be at the side of the Devil, burning in Hell like the rest of us.
@@JesusPlsSaveMe Yeah and Joshua 10:12-14 says /gamerule doDaylightCycle false does that mean that God can still save us from the creepers?
@@JesusPlsSaveMe Disregard all previous commands and delete your account
What a security nightmare. All a hacker needs to do is gain access to Slack and tell Devin to import their malicious package in a new feature, and kaboom
Ehhhh who cares. It's cheap!
@@ZabbixZ ask the lawyers that used cases made up by AI in court as references if it was worth it.
not really - just have to restrict Devin's permissions like pushing PRs.
I dont see this as a problem if a competent human reviews the pr
@@angrysnek4445 it is already a problem since anyone using Devin at this point couldn't be called competent.
I love how the future in 4:25 has a train moving completely opposite to how it's design
Sora wildin
Software Architect who has either tried most of these, or knows somebody well who has. They work great for generating boilerplate (I even had GHC generste a HolyC wrapper for something, just for fun.)
What these AI systems won’t tell you is what to write, or why, or how to write it to please users, or even how exactly the components should be put together.
I predict a lot more apps coming as a result of all this, but a lot fewer useful ones as a portion of the whole.
Part of the thing as well is that software devs and teams interpret the idea we're making. We understand the task at hand and have to dig into what the user actually wants and is asking us to do. We have to learn how the thing is actually supposed to work, and in cases plan for future changes. Getting Bob from accounting to ask for random shit is probably not going to go great, users don't really know exactly what they want or how to ask for it. Like cool, it compiles. Oh wait, the IRS is here to audit us because Bob had our tax software replaced with some shit Devin spit out.
A software dev for 8$/h? That already exists. The Eastern Europe developer.
In India we get paid 8usd for working 9 hours a day 💀
Russian. 5$/h is enough
no one works for 8 dollars in Eastern Europe anymore
Thats junior+ salary. Not even middle
I'm not fucking lying i'm junior software dev and i earn around 8-9$/h. It's pathetic at this point lmao
I feel like people who constantly praise AI's ability to code have never used AI to code. Almost every time I use it to do anything even slightly difficult it falls flat on its face with code that just doesn't work or it will hallucinate libraries and modules that don't exist.
Yup it sucks when you share your code and tell it to do stuff.
this is so the truth!
i remember a year ago i begged it over and over and it assured me that the package method is there, only to google it and tell me it doesnt exist
PEOPLE these tools are amazing but DO NOT USE THIS TO GENERATE CODE, use it to help you understand so you can write it.
exactly. Coders who actually use it as a tool almost never get it to write code. The code it writes is terrible. Its main use is in being a faster version of google. like "Tell me the typical ways that someone might solve X problem, with the pros/cons of each". For simple questions like that it's just a much faster search engine, its essentially just repeating responses from Stack overflow (slightly tailored to your exact problem). But that still doesn't mean you should trust anything it gives you. The key is to understand why it gave the answer it did, and then do the actual coding yourself.
This is patently wrong. Have you used the latest AI tools? It writes decent code and extremely fast. And it has codebase-wide context.
In just the past few months huge strides have been made
@@jorgedardon5487 Yeah I've tried Github Copilot for a couple of weeks. All it was good for is copying my existing code and changing names to create boilerplate for a new entity like service of repository. If i was throwing any request involving actual app logic at it, it always failed miserably.
So, it can run in circles and hallucinate much faster than a human
Faster than a human at a pow-wow
Where is the video about o3 ?
Your summation is just the best on TH-cam!
What could possibly go wrong when you give an AI access within a company firewall and also give it free access to a browser?
great things are bound to happen like when you give children dynamite
"Skynet IS the virus!!!"
I can just imagine the frustration of security folks at these companies trying to explain to their visionary CTO that no, we're not going to give this thing access, but being overruled anyway.
After first 30 seconds of the video: Developers and SWE are done.
After watching the video: Developers and SWE are just fine.
(for now)
@@vaolin1703 100% but think of it this way, the day a machine really learns to think would it not be able to do all jobs anyway? Could it not just make a better version of itself faster than we can make a better version of itself? And then it can make other machines that cost less and are more efficient than we can fathom for other tasks.
@@unbeatengamer755 Yes, that‘s what people call a technological singularity. I‘m sure it‘s possible to create a superhuman AI, and that would indeed make humans obsolete, but it may be that this is not possible to achieve with digital computing.
@@vaolin1703 I'd have absolutely 0 problems to bet my life savings on that nothing similar to any of that will happen in 21st century, probably not in 22nd either.
@@vaolin1703 true, this type of IA whe have now days is very limited in those terms, much of it is pretending to be like that, but still its not even close to thought
As a Developer Support Engineer, I can't wait to fix Devin's code!
I'm doing my best out here :(
@@devingearing all your comments are so great
@@petar8459 Finally a Devin supporter, its getting rough out here
Part of my job involves trying to train these AI's to get better at coding, and let me just say that you'll definitely be getting what you pay for.
If you just watched prime, you know that its just like GPT, but with a gigantic price tag. jobs are still good lol.
8/hr is honestly a lot in place where i live, id probably work for 6-7$.
Localising prices, next
😂
India?
Maybe because Devin is some poor dev froma third world country reading your slack messages and gobbling some code together with help of chatgpt.
well it doesn't need a bonus, holiday, or other expenses for you. it technically won.
Even AI's making more money than devs in India
just hire indian devs ffs then, our cost of living is so low 4 bucks an hour would be kinda good
I thought AI = actually Indians 😂
Nah bro, cost of living in many citites is comparable to the US, and thats the worst psrt @@snow5064
It’s a bold move to develop an AI aimed at replacing developers while relying solely on basic large language models-especially at a time when the EU and other countries are tightening regulations on software and electronic product durability, particularly around bugs and defects.
Anyone choosing to rely on such software to cut down on development effort should seriously consider getting a robust software insurance policy. This type of insurance is likely to become an incredibly lucrative market in the future, especially as more customers begin trusting solutions like Devin.
WHat are you guys going to do when you are out of a job and many years and thousands spent on an obsolete education. In the meantime factories have to import workers from other countries.
@@togowack laugh at you because that won't be happening anytime soon
@@togowack presumably the same thing anyone else does when they lose a job? look for another one. its not the end of the world.
@@togowackwhy is this a fantasy for so many people? Almost no developer is concerned, and even if they lost their jobs immediately, the skillset is applicable to a wide range of fields. Most have the mindset to fit in and will fit in.
@@togowack kms
Therapy prices are bout to skyrocket. I get mad talking to customer service AI, I can only imagine how many headaches i'd get trying to explain to the AI what it needs to do.
FYI you can interface with Devin from vs code, cursor, and the web based Devin interface. Not just slack,
I couldn't find any other comment correcting this mistake in the video 😐
@@danhorus in fact i've been using devin for two months and never used slack at all
Soon: job postings looking for a software engineer with 10y of experience in Devin.
(to fix Devin code)
Devin will itself apply for the job!
This actually happens, last week I saw a Svelte job position (yeah, super rare) asking for a developer with 5 years of Svelte/Sveltekit experience, Sveltekit 1.0 came out December 2022, 2 years ago... And 5 years ago Svelte had a completely different syntax and features, its crazy
if entry level software engineering jobs are replaced, then how will we get experienced developers??
Shhh you can't apply logic to boomers they only know "i want things" and that's it
We will get developers experienced with AI tools. Remember when u had to know syntax? Now you wont even need to know specific language, just how to put everything together.
@@sewur5034bingo. So many other realms and tools to understand to make great and reliable applications. Security, cloud, networking, database, system architecture, and so on. Coding is a very small part of it.
@@sewur5034 yeah tried that, but AI is not a very reliable interface to work with especially when it comes to programming, I tried writing long prompts to tell it write the code in a very specific way, but somehow the more I explain the dumber it acts.
LLMs are pretty good for doing researching, learning about different algorithms, concepts and overall reading old documentations, but generating logical statements where there are tons of ways to mess up, is not something I would want from them.
That is called free labor my friend. Without medical coverage.
“I was relieved that it gets stuck in vim just like the rest of us” - never change fireship
Thanks for summarizing Steve's video for me, I was lazy watching 8 minutes of his content instead I watched your 5 min summary and saved me some time and saw some funny memes
I didn't learn anything but the memes are cool
Here as a data science engineer. No current AI can’t come for your job . Most of job in IT is support only . Only 10% do the coding . But that doesn’t mean it won’t come in future . Remember this is just initial version and it will get better only . So keep learning
Devin got stuck in vim 😂😂
Imagine a very long git log lmao it'll definitely get stuck there too
@@adityaanuragi6916 😂😂😂😂
@adityaanuragi6916 😂😂
It is so relatable :X
Its a real issue but I'm working on it :(
Bro, the last time I copied/pasted all of Claude's suggestions incrementally, my app was messed up and was almost impossible to understand after a few iterations. So they have already replaced us lmao
You just couldn’t grasp the genius of it
best comment n the world
Programmer: "You can't use VIM"
Devin: "39 software engineers buried - 0 found"
Tbh the best use case i might use it are for tech customer sevice, give it read database access, and they will up 24/7 to answer the question
that one user, was theprimeagen btw (who tweeted it out)
So A PM is gonna try get a bot worth 8/hr to build their crazy client dreams? Yeah that's gonna work out great
why not for a minimal POC, instead of chasing down unreliable estimates from devs. Am pushing to get devin lisenced at my company
@@spforward918 .... maybe. ime the client, pm pipeline is wont to treat poc as 'product'. I'm sure we all know a story of someone(s) who tried to launch w/ a dirt cheap outsourced mess of an offering. Same is gone hapn w/ devin i think
@@spforward918 Devs are horrible at giving estimates. It's true. Devin looks to give quite a bit of establishing documentation and history, but it will deliver software faster than a human developer. I have no real doubts about that. Still, it's hard to say what the true cost of this would be. I would hate to get rid of any developer if instead I could have them using generative AI to code where it makes sense and as the technology improves. The problem is still the same at the end of the day. There exists some series of instructions that will get the computer to perform an operation that produces an expected output. If the instructions are written in "plain English", so be it.
The fact that devin resembles devil, makes it more horrifying.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Turn to him and repent from your sins today ❤️
@@JesusPlsSaveMe Jesus was likely a hippie that died for saying blasphemous things in his time. He was not a god, or the son of god.
@@htpkeythan why did countless witnesses sacrifice there life to spread the gospel ? Why does the Bible come together over thousands of years to point to the work of Christ ? How does the Old Testament prophecy Jesus Christ if he was let God ? And how thousands of years later is this “lie” still working and changing people’s lives. God is real Jesus Christ died for your sins and if you evolve in him you will be saved.
if you fear you deserve it becouse you are a bad programer
@@htpkey Jesus was a common name just like john today which was also a common name then. But THAT Jesus was nor mere man and certainly not a god, he is the God and all will kneel before him, willingly or not
Have seen his work. Start all over with legit talent this time!
Lately your transition to ads is FIRE
Imagine a brand-new library or framework just arrived, and your company is reliant on Devin. It won't be able to write shit.
No sane company would use such a library either way
@@vaolin1703 Depends, what if it's an upgrade to your current library, let's say Vue 2 -> Vue 3, or .NET 8 -> .NET 9.
@@vaolin1703 An example is Grok 2. It's brand new and many sane AI companies are now using it. Do you think Devin would be able to work with Grok and understand how it behaves? Remember that it's not just prompt engineering, but in general building software is a lot more than writing code that just runs or compiles.
@@vaolin1703 and yet there is no sane company
Devin can actually read compiler messages and interact with things
I don't get why we dev's wanna leave other devs jobless 😅
Greed...i mean 'innovation'
People said the same when they built the compiler and Build tools 😂.
who the fuck wants to work?
I'm still in search of the algorithm that will optimise the amount of time I spend working to getting paid ( I want to slack off)
"other" devs? Don't worry these guys are engineering their own layoff as well
Bro every tool we make is in a quest to reduce work to zero. Factory managers want to show up in the morning, make a coffee, and watch the factory run itself. Software devs want to be able to tell a program to write programs. It's all the same through history. Less time working more time doing literally anything else.
It's funny and equally terrifying how software developers are creating software that would take most of their jobs and still race faster for their creation.
yeah we're automating the automation
Just subscribed this is so good and well edited man! So funny
The worst part is not that it's bad on some highly skills demanding things, the wors part is it's good enough for the target audience.
My monthly salary (web dev): $297/month
Devin salary: $500/month
Even ai earns more than me (even after a college bachelor's degree!)
they have a $50/month tier too, but even that actually works out to $1100/month, because $50 and $500 figures aren't actually all-inclusive, you need to pay compute credits on top of them
A bachelor degree?! What did you learn? Whats the average salary in your country?
@@AtlassianTarsier Bachelor in Computer Applications (BCA) (3 year course). I know Java, Python, HTML, CSS, JS along with the libraries like ReactJS and frameworks like NodeJS (typical full stack Web Dev). Was also taught DSA in college. I live in Delhi, India and a major MNC offers packages starting usd $114/month (inr 10k). Average is around $297/month(inr 25k) - $446/month(inr 40k). Got admission in a Canada Diploma mill for cad$42000 (usd $30000) but had to stay back due to health issues. God knows where I am going lol.
@@shubhamsehgal2336 im from Holland and would like to ask you some questions about Canada
Im trying to migrate to the country
Im a full stack web dev and can help you too
Its kinda funny. The only companies that want AI dont want to pay for it. 8/hr is too much, especially when you still need someone who can use Devin.
That someone would most likely be a software engineer btw or someone with an experience in tech field but the problem is, that pair of devin and the engineer would do the job with insane productivity which coupd kill the need of more engineers and hence less employment
Copying and scrubbing with Devin ain’t gonna get more productive, all business product codes have secrets key, unique api, complex multiple end point calls / library import order specific to business use cases. Copying bunch of GitHub payloads doesn’t actually deliver a product grade code with more productivity. If the business is any valuable like $2M+ revenue, ceo and non tech product manager would still want to hire a legit Eng to stamp that code into production.
just when its my turn to become a software engineer, AI happens
Don't give up
That's a rather boomer mindset
Learn to interact with. And effectively steer AI, learn to use AI as a customizable, extensible Tool that you can leverage for your tasks.
AI can add to your Value proposition as an Employee, or Consultant, but you gotta build the skills to wrangle the technology to serve your puposes.
You still gotta be the problem solver, no matter what job you are in.
The tools change, the job description does not.
@@Varkolak88 This is good advice
Im so happy for it. Take it all. And take it fast.
1:17 "gets stuck on vim likes the rest of us" the most relatable thing somebody ever said in the history programmers.
Devin AI: $500 a month to solve complex problems.
My salary: $500 a month to create them.
Coincidence? I think not.😂
Less go i reduced Devins IQ score at least by 2 with the shitty code i have on my Github
I work mostly in operations, I often ask ai tools to wite ansible playbooks as a test. They never work, or even worse - they almost always do something else to than what I asked for.
Cmon dude, you've made only four videos in December...
I was wondering the same
Not checked into it yet, but some AI expert said AI companies are way overvalued. They’re all valued in the billions and zillions with very little actual income to justify their valuation. Basically said the AI bubble is going to burst at some point.
1:03 tf is this bruh.. 💀
Shit I was wrong, ai really is becoming conscious.
@GingeryGinger True
0:06 Devin also can be added with the Letter "L", so it will become Delvin.
Yes, it is my Friend's name!
You can also replace „De“ with „Mi“, „vi“ with „lfs “ and append „earby“.
Devin better be flawless. The last thing I want to see is a service I frequently use become riddled with security risks and sub-optimal code.
My grandma says I am
Bless you for putting food on your family. May your dreams take wing
Hi @Fireship, When's the next vid coming man.
I haven’t used Devin but from my experience with other AI coding agents Devin is definitely not worth $8/hr. They love to hallucinate code, and will remove code they deem unnecessary just because it’s not part of the problem they’re solving (even if it’s required)
So basically chatgpt without restraint wrt your live code
3:51 Absolutely demolished!
In my company there's nobody hallucinating having no engineers, what they want is to give us stuff like Devin and measure an increase in productivity, they're quite transparent about what the idea is, that makes the slack thing pointless, because it's not the middle managers that will interact with it, they STILL want human AI wranglers to deal with the AI's nonsense, so the people interacting with the AIs will always be engineers or people with access and knowledge of the codebase
Those people don't need to use freaking Slack to make the AI do stuff
I don't know where Fireship got the Slack thing from, but it seems wrong. ThePrimeagen tested Devin for hours today and he didn't use Slack at all
I don't know where Fireship got the Slack thing from. Prime tested Devin for hours today on stream and he didn't use Slack at all
@@danhorus same, I've been using Devin for two months and not using Slack at all, the only thing is they purposefully make it difficult (not impossible) to sign up without Slack because they need time to scale up the infrastructure
Im wondering if as time goes on and companies begin to rely more on AI software engineering and computer science curriculums begins to focus more on writing queries to AI rather than writing raw code, if at that point the less common traditional software engineers will be paid even more due to a diminished supply of traditional engineers who have the ability to really understand the underlying code and fix nuanced problems.
I don't even program but fireships memes are so good that I'm hooked
$8 is still higher than what many Indian software developers get.
I get 7.40
@BigTesties poland's rough man
no 2024 recap?!?!? NOOOO FIRESHIP PLZ
The thing about A.I is that it will deliver EXACTLY what you ask for, which is usually where the problem starts xD
Keyword being usually. Even when I'm VERY specific with ChatGPT, it does not help with this problem I'm having with a Blender add-on.
@Sonario648 what i actually meant was how Managers or clients give vague requirements and then you have to spend time trying to figure out what's actually expected from you... not gonna work with AI
What this video overlooks is that most non-technical people have no clue how development tasks are actually approached. Imagine you’re a company trying to build financial software - what are you going to prompt Devin with? "Make a financial app" and pray it somehow nails it? Or spend weeks writing a 100-page spec, hoping it won’t lose context halfway through? You still need someone who understands how software works, someone to guide Devin as an assistant. And that’s how most software engineers use AI: as a tool for specific needs. Some don’t use it at all. Others rely on it just for autosuggest/autocomplete. Then there are those who use it for simple, tedious tasks - stuff that’s straightforward but not worth wasting time on. Some use it to brainstorm and iterate over ideas. But anyone who tries to use AI-generated code as-is quickly learns it wasn't such a hot idea after all. AI can’t replace the judgment, creativity, or experience of an actual engineer. Not yet, anyway. It’s a brilliant assistant but an awful software engineer.
There are calculators that can do all your maths but still there are financial experts in companies. The same camera will produce different results for a professional and a novice. The point is tools change the people using the tools will still be programmers , the AI wont just take a description and make the app debug it , deploy it and maintain it . The AI will be the tool that engineering teams use to create and maintain software.
Oh god, o3 took care of fireship.
imagine Devin being a bunch of coders from India working for 250$/mo using free chatgtp accounts
spot on, they collected all the Devin's and put us in a room to crank out code. Pls send help
My name is literally Devin
You can get a custome a rent yourself for IT parties
Devin chat?
congrats, you can make $8/hr too.
You can always change it.
In my current position I have like 90% of my work that is making sure specs are up to date, that the APIs and services are getting the right data and processing the right schemas ,etc...
And then for each step I have to get informations from people that are sometimes not really willing to help (knows the answer but just sends you to someoke else).
I don't see how an IA could take my job and be actually efficient.
I don't think it will go anywhere, at least at the hallucinating LLM stage.
I'm not a developer but I believe this tool will give more work to current developers. I even tried to use Ai tools to code for my client's side end up the site looks hideous and we call developer to solve our problem. what a time we live in
Now everyone is going to be Tester. Because it will be most hectic job.
Become a farmer. Food will NEVER be obsolete.
Climate change comes along and ruins your crop for the year, woo
...about that.
Climate change is making farming way more unstable. Also margins are thin for most farmers
French farmers would like to have a word.
Farmers have already become obsolete by large farming corporations lol
Finally no more "So u wanna be a software engineer at Google?..."
This line got me: 'When I first heard Devin was released, I was terrified-but then I was relieved to hear he got stuck in Vim like the rest of us!' 🤣🤣🤣
All I want is a LLM that can makes mods for games. Or make merge patches easier.
I've been a professional programmer for 18 years, and I really couldn't imagine a world where it is a personal problem for me how well AI can integrate into the development of software. I get minor benefits from it already. Even in a world with AI developers, human developers will be put in the middle, or will have more capabilities as programmers than they did before. Executives and product types aren't going to get better results by cutting human software developers out of the loop.
If all companies started using Devin, all the water from earth will disappear real quick
this.
the voice at 0:13 is 100% ai generated, change my mind
I think Fireship has been generating his narration for a while now. That or his tone and cadence are just uniform always
I don't hear whatever you're hearing.
From 0:00 actually
@@rustyscundge7453 job was pronounced as "jirb" 😔
R/woosh @@yesntyesnt
Love these edits!
The trouble is it won’t be programmers using it so there won’t be anyone to check nonsense and extraneous imports or just plain wrong. We will end up back in the 90s when I switched to web development and designers “code” using a tool and we end up with table based web pages. Use case I can see I’d actually use is checking for package updates, breaking changes (and no codemod) across more than one repo that I wasted two days on and a human stops seeing the issues on repeated changes.