Yamaha DBR10 vs QSC CP8 - Spoken Word & Music
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ส.ค. 2022
- Forgot to mention the QSC is on the left and the Yamaha is on the right - but I'm sure you can see that.
This is just side by side testing of a Yamaha DBR10 and a QSC CP8. I'm not implying one is better than the other as that is up to you to decide based on your ears and your intended usage.
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In case you're not familiar with these and couldn't tell - the QSC was on the left and the Yamaha was on the right.
Thanks for this video! It’s very helpful. I’m going to try the QSC’s. Although I don’t think you can go wrong with either.
You're very welcome. Yes I think you're right both good choices. Let me know what you think of the QSCs.
Good video. I like your pointing stick!
Thanks yeah some cool history behind that stick!
Great comparison. I have always been a QSC fan, but the Yamaha's blew them away.
Thx for your take on it especially being a QSC fan. I'm about due to go back and re-watch this one myself!
@@JHGurganus The thing that got me was the snare drum. It's completely lost on the QSC.
@@robrobbins4906 wow that's good detailed listening! I will give it a listen once I get my earbuds charged up later today. I never even picked up on that.
I rewatched this to see if the QSC could beat it on the second try
@@Charleythegodwhat did you think after listening the second time?
Great comparo. To my ears, the CP8's sounded just a tad muddy the spectrum and more muted on the low end. The DBR's have that sparkle, seem more open, clearer sound.
Thanks for the comment! That makes me trust my ears a little more because before I responded I went back and listened to the comparison again. The second time around when I left the music on each speaker a little longer, it was clear to me that I would choose the Yamaha also. I tried to be as unbiased as possible to not sway anyone but that's what I would go was based on this example.
The CP8 has been a great monitor though but I've been super happy with the DBRs for FOH on smaller gigs for their price 🪕🎻
@@JHGurganus Thanks for the time and effort you put into this... If you're in Missouri sometime, stop in man, happy to jam.
@@cvee2614 I'll remember that. In-laws have parents in Missouri so never know if or when I may head out there. I'll be sure to let you know. Thanks brother!
I agree. I am a solo acoustic performer hoping to just plug a sm58 directly in without a mixer, but man sounds muddy and dark without a mixer.
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Maybe you said somewhere in the video, but which DSP (i.e. EQ preset) did you set them each to? What I’m hearing in the vocal section is a more extended HF response on the Yamaha (higher highs) with a lower cabinet resonant frequency, and an overall somewhat scooped mids sound. Did you have channel HP filter engaged on the mixer? There was a lot of proximity effect coming from the cardioid mic which makes the overall vocal quality on the tubby side, and makes it harder to evaluate differences.
For the tracks, the CP8 sounded like it had more low bass, as well as more pronounced mids, and an overall more hifi sound than the DBR10. My tastes run more to razor-sharp highs, from years of using EV SX100s, so, to be honest, they’re both too muddy-sounding for me. Thanks for posting the comparison though. They are very competitive from cost and cost/weight/power standpoint.
You're welcome and thank you for the feedback. I don't know if I talked about the DSP in the video but I know I would have had the Yamaha DSP (d-contour) set to off and the QSC I would have had in the "default" labeled position for that speaker. I would have been using a Yamaha MG10XU mixer and unfortunately the only high pass filter option is 80hz but yes that would have been engaged. I hear you though, I find it hard to get the same representation in my studio as I do outside or in typical rooms we play in. Definitely sounds different in here. Though I have the windows covered the best I can, there are two large windows right behind the speakers and a large sliding patio glassdoor to the right of the speakers as you're looking at them. Sometimes I even cover the snare and the toms to reduce resonance coming from the drums. I can easily get disappointed in this room for live sound stuff but then take the speakers outside and be much happier 😎
What I noticed is is a difficult comparison since the Yamaha is a 10" and the CP is 8", even this difference with 8" the CP has more deep and smooth bass. medium frequencies are almost the same with a little more from the Yamaha on the HF, I stay with the CP8s!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Of course the Yamaha is a bit cleaner and more open because the woofer and horn are bigger than the CP8. This not an apple to apple comparison but I think the CP8 performed well for its size.
Thank you for your comment! Actually I believe the CP8 is 1.4“ HF driver and the DBR10 is only 1" HF driver but both have a 1" exit I think. Yes not apples to apples but I decided to compare these anyways since I have and gig with both and I see them talked about a lot in forums. Yes I agree the CP8 performs well for its size and weight and I feel both perform well for speakers at their price point.
Thanks for the vídeo.
I preferred the QSC CP8. I was really barracking for the Yamaha DBR10, but my application is a good monitor for a stage piano, so tight mids are very important. The QSC CP8 had much more of the type of clarity I seek. There's too much V dip in the DBR10 for me.
Incredibly, my supplier cites the CP8 as reaching as low as 50Hz. (DBR10 at 55Hz) Also the CP8 tweeter is 1.4", so maybe it's less shrill than the Yamaha 1" tweeter. As I said, I don't want a hole in the mids. I hate it when a stage piano sounds both shrill and boomy, but with weak mids.
I wonder if the DBR10 throws the bass notes further than the CP8? Can anyone answer that? Shouldn't matter for monitoring, but it's nice to know.
You're welcome and glad it helped - also appreciate your point of view!
Yes I've seen before that the CP8 actually goes lower than the DBR10. We have used our DBR10s as mains and I have used the CP8 as a floor monitor since I got it in 2019 I think. I now use the CP8 as a floor monitor with one or both of our evolve 30Ms as well as with our Yamaha DXR12mkiis for large outdoor shows.
Oh and even though I have had them side by side outside testing them last year, I didn't necessarily listen for low end output. Wish I would have so I could answer your question but hopefully someone else will have the answer.
@@JHGurganus Thanks. Now I'm really confused, because I've just seen an old video by Pianoman Chuck comparing the CP8 with a Roland Cube Street EX. The CP8 (which he preferred) sounded quite muffled to me. Great for bass patches, but the Cube (built for guitars curiously) sounded much fresher on piano. I wonder whether having twin 8" and 2" (two of each) speakers makes much lighter work of certain frequencies?
Also, I've heard that ideally, a keyboard combo amp should be open backed. But who makes those these days?
@@Zoco101 wow yes I wish I could help you with that. Even though I have a keyboard and teach myself what I need to know when I need to know it, I really can't call myself a keys player. I've never been into keyboard amplification live so I guess I really can't comment. I know I follow a lot of threads with Yamaha speakers and I've read a lot indicating the DBR10 plays that role well. But I also know things sound different to different people's ears.
Wish I could help more but I really can't on that topic. Hope you find what works best for you though!
The CP8 does and should have more mid range clarity because it's crossover is lower than the Yamaha.
@@jimdavis9581 Interesting. I suppose this means that the tweeter is doing extra work and freeing up the main speaker. But also, I guess that the main speaker should handle mid frequencies more easily with 8" than say with 10".
Can the yamahas handle good amount of volume? Or does the limiter light kick in easily?
That is a good question. I've only pushed them both side by side outside last year just testing them. I can't 100% remember but I think their limiters kicked on near the same time. I think for the price point, the Yamahas definitely got as loud as you would expect them to. The big thing is when they got loud as far as I remember it sounded like they were keeping their composure.
Sorry I can't remember more than that but that's what I remember and that was with program music.
But to try to specifically answer your question I don't think it kicked on easily from what I remember.
Not sure if you saw it but I just remembered a few days ago I uploaded a video comparing my dxr12mkii to the Yamaha DBR10 in our barn where I could play them a little louder than inside. It wasn't a test but more of a comparison. In the video I mentioned that at the louder volume that was definitely louder than what we have ever pushed the DBR10s but we had pushed the DXR12s louder than that at an outdoor concert covering hundreds. What I was happy about was the DBR10s still sounded relatively close to the DXR12s to my ear. And of course the DXR12mkiis cost over twice as much right now. Again that was only with acoustic and vocals and they weren't pushed to limit but maybe it will help you out.
I also had both. CP8 cleaner high end more PA like.Yamaha smoother mids and slightly fuller low end, more Hifi sounding. CP8 considerable more headroom before clipping. Kept CP8, returned Yamaha. Yamaha is an excellent value!
Thanks for watching and commenting on your experience with them.
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returned the dbr10 and kept the cp8. cp8 much louder and fuller. cp8 sounds more hifi in “dance” setting like the yamaha but more headroom.
Cool. Thanks for your input and glad you had them both and listened for yourself to make the right choice for you. Thanks for the comment back!
Same here! Returned Dbr kept CP8. CP8 noticeably louder before clipping with a cleaner high end. Dbr more mid/lows focused, a little muddy in comparison.
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Yes always loved Yamaha even back to the powered mixer days. Love the DXR & DBR stuff but never had DHR, DSR or DZR.
Don't you have the DHR15s? What do you think of them?
@@JHGurganus yes brother Dhr15 is all business, one serious looking sounding speaker best speaker I've ever own, warm sounding, clean clean very sweet n soft easy on the ears which will add to the longevity of the drivers, the paint is top notch almost looks like it glistening I love the sound of it, very very musical they seem invisible when listening at low volume, the dsp is intelligent when it's start working out of its parameters it's levels it out and it lowers any noise when played loud loud it's almost sounds like is kicks in boost mode the music softens and the volume of my speaking singing voice amplify like crazy, the back plate looks like the one from the Dbr series but it's updated with locking combo connector, the dsp when I think about it when at loud loud volume it's start to sound like a Nexo speaker
@@Vietturtle2023 that's all great to hear. I've been contemplating the dhr10 for portable live sound but I have no issues with our dbr10s & still have our DXR12mkii.
In late 2019 Yamaha updated the dbr series with the locking connectors. I didn't realize it til I bought some dbr12s in 2021 and saw them on there. I got with Yamaha Pro Audio who verified there were no other changes - just the locking connectors. Glad they added them.
Are you using a mixer with qsc?
Yes...I was using a Yamaha MG10XU to feed both speakers.
@J H Gurganus I was hoping I could just plug sm58 directly into the second channel, but man, it really sounds muddy. There are no highs at all. I am a solo acoustic performer. Mixer is definitely needed
@@Vanhalen1 I would say yes a mixer is definitely needed for a 58 - at least for my voice. At the very least for the three band EQ.
@J H Gurganus Is there a mic that would be better for directly plugged in
Based on my experience, the Audix OM2 is really clear on my voice with no EQ. So is the Sennheiser e835. I'm currently using the newly released Shure GLX-D+ with a beta58a mic. While it is clearer than the SM58 for me, I still have to cut lows on that to keep it clean.
there is NO WAY QSC will beat a YAMAHA as far as sound especially vocal brightness. I only have qsc in my set but the few times I have come across Yamaha the sound is always bright. I think Yamaha and a QSC subs would be a great combo. finally you should have tested a CP10 not the cp8
Thanks I agree plus I was even trying to keep my bias for Yamaha out of it as well. I personally would still go with a Yamaha DXS12mkii sub with the Yamahas although I do hear good things about QSC subs. Just heading home from a gig right now and have our Yamaha dbr10s in the backseat. Tomorrow night is a bigger gig and that one will get our DXR12mkiis.
I could not test with a CP10 because QSC doesn't make one unless they snuck one out that I'm not aware of.
@@JHGurganus CP12s i mean.. I haven't used powered Yamaha subs yet. Qsc s are a beast.. Yamaha tops are the best if they have some as loud as the qscs i would get them
@@u-know-this clear on the CP12s. I had two of the Yamaha DXS15s before and remember they did get loud and I never saw them limit but I know I never pushed them as hard as some people do. I used them with dxr10s & dxr12s.
DZR10s or DZR12s for loud and clear from what I hear. I never personally heard them though.
While it seems desirable to get the same size speakers for the comparison, there are several things these two speakers share. 1. Similar price. 2. Similar frequencies handled. And of course, there is no CP10, and a DBR8 is hard to find. My supplier does stock the DXR8. Maybe that's a fairer comparison, though it costs more.
I’ll take the Yamahas over the QSC’s. Both are great sounding products but the Yamahas will last a long time.
I'm with you on that.
Yamaha was cleaner..
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You’re comparing an 8 inch speaker with a 10 inch speaker. Not a real true comparison sorry.
Don't be sorry. It is a very real comparison of two entry level speakers from two different manufacturers. DJs and live sound people both use the CP8s and I know live sound people use the DBR10s but I haven't read too much on DJs using them. Actually if I'm not mistaken, the CP8 specs out as being able to reproduce a little more low end than the DBR10. From the specs, the CP8 also has a larger high frequency driver than the DBR10. So though they have different size drivers, it appears they are somewhat similar in performance and each have their own sonic signature.
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