I love Cpt Benzie's content. He has been a huge help to many of us over the years. One thing I notice about this video is that you are very logical and state your opinion and how it differs or is similar to Benzie's video. There is no animosity or argument to be had. These types of discussions and opinion sharing are great for the game. Subscribed and liked.
I can agree with both of you on the "drones are easy mode" comments. Drones take more micromanaging in that you can swap out the size and damage types and you have to be careful about replenishing drones if they are destroyed. But, you also have less to worry about when it comes to damage falloff. If the enemy is within your drone control range, the drones take care of the rest the best that they can.
Low Slots. Not Mid Slots. But yeah. On using one of the 4. Implant is 4b. Still a lot. But never is a loss. And yeah. People are forced into implants for sure. Always up for a talk buddy. Good video as always. Drones behind the LP sucks. If there only on the LP store. Can you lose them? I don’t loose my test modules. And use those for fully fit trash ships. So I don’t have to replace anything when it dies.
Great vid bud i agree, i dont think drones need nerf because they have less dps than any weapon plus they take more sp to level up, and something to note is that cores give regular weapons 18+% dps and its applied 100% to the weapon dps and with drones the dps is split betwen the weapons/high slots and the drones and imo thats why the gurista ships are so low dps and no one wants them.
looking at each of the arguments everyone has a point. Tbh as a drone runner, i still say that the drone speed is nutty, but also dont they have that drone bomb via the bomb weapon as a potential solution? im sure many just look at a turret to shoot at drones and of course that means the drone user is tecnecally doing their job, distracting the enemy. with tiny flying gnats. They deal abyssmal damage but do the important job of overwealming the enemy with too many targets. (i could imagine a decoy drone type would be amazing.)
exactly as a target and will make it tricky if somehow target was locked tricky to lock onto the original drone boat. Exampl: Automatic defense implant+ decoy drones false fire.
With 2x "drone nav computer" now that its buffed im able to kill daredevils and etc with mwd using medium drones. These mfs were so shocked. .And before that i felt like a noob watching how my small drones flies within 18km of garmur and couldnt caught up.
Drones are in an ok pace right now, I think they need to go fast in order to counter the nanocore flying ships doing crazy speeds. That in my mind is the main problem, you have ships doing stupid speeds so drones also need to do crazy speeds in order to catch them. I still think the interceptors need a damage nerf, so they can do their role of intercepting but are going to struggle to solo someone with a BS sized tank (unless said pilot is afk/asleep/drunk).
Drones DONT need speed for "afk idler gameplay" they need it to be utilized in defending your ship when running missions in low sec! The fact that there are frigs that can hang at 20-25km from a drone boat and kill either cruiser or Battlecruisers is RIDICULOUS! drone boats should NEVER go down to frigs or cruisers with VERY few exceptions. Drones NEED speed for this reason bc of how limited web/Neuts range is. The era of faction frigs running the game needs to end. Giving small drones at the very least the speed they deserve is what THEY ARE FOR! smalls are SUPPOSED to hit frigs. Meds are SUPPOSED to hit cruisers. Etc etc. With drone speed nerf bc of the fac frig and cruiser pilots CRYING about drone speed absolutely needed to be gotten gone with! What needed to happen happened and glad someone has the balls to call the big dogs out! Thank you Killmark Collectors! Rant over.
Your counterexamples don't really discuss the speed issue though. Like, yeah a large neut would be more appropriate, but that's not the topic at hand. Also, I'm a bit confused what you mean by kiting... I interpret kiting to mean hanging back and avoiding damage, which, yeah control range comes into it, but so too does chase speed. For the Nav computer, try it on a Sniper Dessie using a T5 Nav computer. The missile equivalent works on the Talwar Sniper. The drones are the opposite of too slow lol. The implant is a red herring. Introducing rigs would be a good middle ground imo, but I really think the closing velocity of a drone should all pilots to get at least 1 shot off before they land on your face to create the interesting choice: defensive defanging, or focus fire and hope to kill the mother ship. At present, shooting at drones is a wasted shot without webs and buffed tracking speed. The issue is high flight velocity drones are easy mode. Yeah they do less damage over time, but it's guaranteed damage.
Benzie looks at these things from the perspective of a frigate pilot rather than strictly what is most balanced. Always has. Look at his arguments and you find he gets frustrated when frigates cannot do everything. - A frigate cant solo a battleship? Well thats because battleships are OP. - A frigate has trouble outrunning small drones; even from ships with drone speed bonuses? Well thats cause drones are to fast. Benzie’s argument is that frigates should be able to at minimum tackle and possibly kill literally any larger ship without taking damage. In his argument, only other frigates (and possibly destroyers) should be able to kill frigates
Yeah, we all have our preferences (and I’ll admit mine is more towards cruisers) but I do feel like having drones that literally can’t catch even “slow” frigates without mods or expensive implants is off…
Benzie is just a drone and missile hater since day1. He is a cannon lover and hes married with a dramiel. He's content is for noobs only no serious player ever took him seriously.
I love your videos, but i had a huge issue with this one!! You make Mach sound like a Big Mac sandwich. It’s supposed to sound like when someone says a jet is going Mach 5. Not I’m gonna eat a Big Mac. Get it right next video ok.
I disagree & I'm commenting from start of the video. Saying about idle games. It's not bad to have idle style delivery service via highsec only. Maybe not lowsec and nullsec. Something with mining afk in highsec not lowsec or nullsec or you die.common sense all I'm saying.
I think that’s the thing, there’s always a balance. You can’t be 100% all the time, so where do you automate vs where you require the focus. Definitely takes some common sense on all sides
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Good video big dog! You can 100% use Benzie’s videos in yours as they are not copyright protected
Got it. Thanks for the heads up! Got a dm that I may not be able to use them for more than 30 sec so erred on the side of caution lol
@@killmarkcollectors8440 nope. Total bs lol
I love Cpt Benzie's content. He has been a huge help to many of us over the years.
One thing I notice about this video is that you are very logical and state your opinion and how it differs or is similar to Benzie's video. There is no animosity or argument to be had. These types of discussions and opinion sharing are great for the game. Subscribed and liked.
I can agree with both of you on the "drones are easy mode" comments. Drones take more micromanaging in that you can swap out the size and damage types and you have to be careful about replenishing drones if they are destroyed. But, you also have less to worry about when it comes to damage falloff. If the enemy is within your drone control range, the drones take care of the rest the best that they can.
Good to see further discussion around this.
The platform has always had permanent native bugs that still havent been fixed.
Enjoyed. cool masterrpiece!catch you later,
Low Slots. Not Mid Slots. But yeah. On using one of the 4. Implant is 4b. Still a lot. But never is a loss. And yeah. People are forced into implants for sure. Always up for a talk buddy. Good video as always. Drones behind the LP sucks. If there only on the LP store. Can you lose them? I don’t loose my test modules. And use those for fully fit trash ships. So I don’t have to replace anything when it dies.
This is Taylor. Lol
Great vid bud i agree, i dont think drones need nerf because they have less dps than any weapon plus they take more sp to level up, and something to note is that cores give regular weapons 18+% dps and its applied 100% to the weapon dps and with drones the dps is split betwen the weapons/high slots and the drones and imo thats why the gurista ships are so low dps and no one wants them.
looking at each of the arguments everyone has a point. Tbh as a drone runner, i still say that the drone speed is nutty, but also dont they have that drone bomb via the bomb weapon as a potential solution?
im sure many just look at a turret to shoot at drones and of course that means the drone user is tecnecally doing their job, distracting the enemy. with tiny flying gnats. They deal abyssmal damage but do the important job of overwealming the enemy with too many targets.
(i could imagine a decoy drone type would be amazing.)
Decoy drones would be awesome!!! That would be hilarious 😂
exactly as a target and will make it tricky if somehow target was locked tricky to lock onto the original drone boat. Exampl: Automatic defense implant+ decoy drones false fire.
With 2x "drone nav computer" now that its buffed im able to kill daredevils and etc with mwd using medium drones.
These mfs were so shocked.
.And before that i felt like a noob watching how my small drones flies within 18km of garmur and couldnt caught up.
Drones are in an ok pace right now, I think they need to go fast in order to counter the nanocore flying ships doing crazy speeds. That in my mind is the main problem, you have ships doing stupid speeds so drones also need to do crazy speeds in order to catch them. I still think the interceptors need a damage nerf, so they can do their role of intercepting but are going to struggle to solo someone with a BS sized tank (unless said pilot is afk/asleep/drunk).
Drones DONT need speed for "afk idler gameplay" they need it to be utilized in defending your ship when running missions in low sec! The fact that there are frigs that can hang at 20-25km from a drone boat and kill either cruiser or Battlecruisers is RIDICULOUS! drone boats should NEVER go down to frigs or cruisers with VERY few exceptions. Drones NEED speed for this reason bc of how limited web/Neuts range is. The era of faction frigs running the game needs to end. Giving small drones at the very least the speed they deserve is what THEY ARE FOR! smalls are SUPPOSED to hit frigs. Meds are SUPPOSED to hit cruisers. Etc etc. With drone speed nerf bc of the fac frig and cruiser pilots CRYING about drone speed absolutely needed to be gotten gone with! What needed to happen happened and glad someone has the balls to call the big dogs out! Thank you Killmark Collectors! Rant over.
Your counterexamples don't really discuss the speed issue though. Like, yeah a large neut would be more appropriate, but that's not the topic at hand. Also, I'm a bit confused what you mean by kiting... I interpret kiting to mean hanging back and avoiding damage, which, yeah control range comes into it, but so too does chase speed.
For the Nav computer, try it on a Sniper Dessie using a T5 Nav computer. The missile equivalent works on the Talwar Sniper. The drones are the opposite of too slow lol.
The implant is a red herring. Introducing rigs would be a good middle ground imo, but I really think the closing velocity of a drone should all pilots to get at least 1 shot off before they land on your face to create the interesting choice: defensive defanging, or focus fire and hope to kill the mother ship. At present, shooting at drones is a wasted shot without webs and buffed tracking speed.
The issue is high flight velocity drones are easy mode. Yeah they do less damage over time, but it's guaranteed damage.
Benzie looks at these things from the perspective of a frigate pilot rather than strictly what is most balanced. Always has.
Look at his arguments and you find he gets frustrated when frigates cannot do everything.
- A frigate cant solo a battleship? Well thats because battleships are OP.
- A frigate has trouble outrunning small drones; even from ships with drone speed bonuses? Well thats cause drones are to fast.
Benzie’s argument is that frigates should be able to at minimum tackle and possibly kill literally any larger ship without taking damage. In his argument, only other frigates (and possibly destroyers) should be able to kill frigates
Yeah, we all have our preferences (and I’ll admit mine is more towards cruisers) but I do feel like having drones that literally can’t catch even “slow” frigates without mods or expensive implants is off…
Which is why hes WRONG. Frigs should be tackles and not be able to kill anything other than other frigs or dessies with few exceptions.
Benzie is just a drone and missile hater since day1. He is a cannon lover and hes married with a dramiel. He's content is for noobs only no serious player ever took him seriously.
I love your videos, but i had a huge issue with this one!! You make Mach sound like a Big Mac sandwich. It’s supposed to sound like when someone says a jet is going Mach 5. Not I’m gonna eat a Big Mac. Get it right next video ok.
No. It's "MACK-HARIEL. Hence Mac........
@@ConcussedGaming I refuse to believe this lol
I disagree & I'm commenting from start of the video. Saying about idle games. It's not bad to have idle style delivery service via highsec only. Maybe not lowsec and nullsec. Something with mining afk in highsec not lowsec or nullsec or you die.common sense all I'm saying.
I think that’s the thing, there’s always a balance. You can’t be 100% all the time, so where do you automate vs where you require the focus. Definitely takes some common sense on all sides
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