That'll be the day! The system is so deeply entrenched in its current state where the solution to everything is more Bandaids that only complete reform will lead to meaningful changes.
Sounds bass-ackwards. I had no problem passing the credentialing exams, but I'd have LOVED for someone to sit through the insipid education courses in my place. And by the way, classroom management was not covered in ANY of those classes; the professors were even visibly annoyed when we raised those issues in class. (We were teaching on internship licenses during the day, and often wanted to share the day's challenges in our evening classes, but the professors quickly changed the subject.) I'm convinced that the pricey, time-consuming, largely useless education programs required for teacher credentialing exist solely to provide employment for education professors who washed out of the K-12 classroom early on and couldn't even do my job.
I mostly agree with you here. Classroom management is barely covered in credentialing classes and they expect that you'll learn how to do it just through osmosis during student teaching. I had only one single course where we were really able to share our student teaching experiences and talk about our challenges as you mentioned you tried to do. All of my other ones were so ridiculously theoretical that it was hard to relate any of it to what I was doing - especially seeing as our professors were mostly in their 70s and hadn't taught in a K-12 classroom in decades - thus making them incredibly out of touch. I think you'll like my "Student Teaching is a Scam" video. I'll link it here for you: th-cam.com/video/n2bcT9ntK7A/w-d-xo.html
I basically agree. I had no problem passing the Praxis Math exam, but the teacher cert program was a ridiculous amount of endless projects and essays (400 hours) which I never finished.
@@MikeDunn Yeah, I think my summative teacher certification exams alone (not including any attachments or other work/class assignment) were a combined 200 pages of single spaced text.
@@MikeDunn Yeah, I had to take that "What kind of learner are you?" quiz in three different classes. HUGE waste of time, especially as all that visual learner/hands-on learner/toenail learner stuff had already been debunked. Also got tired of being asked to summarize Brown v. Board of Education just to prove I'd read it. 😠
@@KevinTheID Thanks! Will def check it out. I did the paid internship in lieu of student teaching, because I wanted to damn TEACH SCHOOL. Again, the ed courses were just an annoying hurdle I had to jump.
I'm not sure if that would inherently solve the issue. Cheating on exams started long before they went digital, it would just force them to be more creative.
People who think the job is an easy paycheck and those who've bought into the moronic expression of "those who can't teach" and that they get summers off - even though ironically they clearly couldn't teach either and we don't really get summers off anyway contrary to popular belief.
I don't know what Florida's teacher certification is particularly easy compared to Texas but when I took mine, in florida, I don't remember them being particularly hard. They weren't a complete cakewalk mind you, but they weren't that hard. This isn't the bar exam or anything like that. It wasn't even the GRE.
Every state is different obviously. I know mine in CA were ludicrously brutal (probably more involved and harder than the Bar exam) and until they starting lowering qualifications, we had by far the strongest credential in the country because of it. We also had EL certifications built into our credentials too which is pretty uncommon in the U.S. where most states make you get a separate one.
Okay, so I’m a former teacher in Houston. I didnt know this was a thing until I stumbled across this video. Although I agree, the scam is 100% wrong, I have to say those exams are challenging on purpose as a way to make profit. For example, why is an elementary school teacher who only plans on teaching reading/language arts required to pass a math exam that includes high school level math? Sorry, but teachers are not experts on every subject area. Were talking exams that cover language arts, math, social studies, science, arts, esl and the list goes on if youre adding on certifications; it’s overkill.
Hmm, that's interesting. We have the same philosophy in CA but for differing reasons. (Though I'm sure profit is one of them.) Here, we have a Multiple Subjects Credential and a Single Subject Credential. The former is what elementary teachers must obtain to show basic subject matter competency in all content areas since they will be teaching everything. We don't have "reading/language arts teachers" at the elementary level because they teach all the subjects throughout the course of the day and thus must have an understanding at a lower level of everything. Single Subject Credentials on the other hand are given to show high-level competency in the specific thing you will teach at the secondary level. For instance, I had to prove that I was fully able to teach everything related to Social Science to be a history teacher, including World History, U.S. History, California History, Geography, Government, Psychology, etc. The exams were absolutely brutal to say the least and had to be done before you could even apply to a credentialing program. To add to the difficulty for me, I actually taught English as well and had to prove deep competency in that too so I had a Dual Single Subject Credential which is very uncommon in CA.
It definitely helps to weed out people who shouldn't be teachers in the first place. I made a video about the dangers of lowering qualifications a while back, you'd probably like it: th-cam.com/video/40IQzroZTrg/w-d-xo.html
@@KevinTheID cheers Kevin, thank you for the replies. I will definitely check out your video on the topic. Also, this was in no way an attack on the OP Daphney.
With how bad the teacher retention crisis has become over the last 5 years, how many cost saving layoffs have happened, and how desperate districts have become to fill positions, I'm sure this problem is more widespread than it appears too.
I am sorry but NO. This is DISGUSTING. They should've have done their job and do PROPER background checks, I am sorry but if you failed multiple time on a test to get your Teaching License? You do NOT deserve to be a teacher. They should've properly done their job and make sure ZERO fucking SEX OFFENDERS or ANY criminal would NOT become a teacher. What the hell is wrong with people now in days?! Thank the Almighty I left school and I am being home school. If I ever have children, I am homeschooling them.
I said as much in the video. Failing the gatekeeping exams is already a massive indication you shouldn't be a teacher, but regardless of the cheating, the teachers who managed to get around the background checks concern me more. It speaks to a deeper scandal then what's been admitted to thus far.
Now we have activists with no business even being around children, teaching them lies. We are a first world country that has a large faction of our population with a 4th grade reading level. There are developing countries who's students are more articulate in English as a second language than natural English speakers here in the US. How is this not being addressed with more severity?
Yes and no. Some are clearly activists (actually one half an hour away from me who got placed on leave for a political rant in class is an example of that), but some just think of teaching as an easy job since so many stupidly use that term: "those who can do, and those who can't teach" - when in reality being an actually good teacher is incredibly difficult work.
its so weird!! if you are good enough to teach the kids in a classroom, aren't you good enough to just pass the test? they're not even hard! if you went to college for your major or elementary education, it's not so difficult a college grad can't pass....
I think the question remains though if they actually were good enough to teach students in the classroom. With the sheer level of lowering qualifications and lack of oversight these days, bad quality educators are making their way into the system more and more. Plus, the tests vary from state to state and not all are necessarily easy. California's used to be incredibly long and difficult for instance and I remember that those were some of the hardest exams I've ever done - so many I know desperately struggled to pass them.
I've heard of a guy who teaches in my school, who has a bachelors degree in math, who had to take the certificature tests like 4 times before he finally passed 😅. Some people get hung up on the instructional aspects. They know the content they're supposed to teach well, but proving they can INSTRUCT on that content can be a challenge... I'm a math bachelor too teaching Physics right now on a conditional license and I hope when it's my time I pass haha. It can all turn into a jumbled up mess, especially when you have to suddenly switch to a different content area cuz of teacher shortages!
@@aboycalledfish Oh absolutely, some people just aren't good test takers and I knew a couple who had to take their exams a couple of times to pass. These teachers though are ones who repeatedly failed them and had to resort to cheating to get through them. That's the sticking point for all of us and when you have to resort to that, it should tell you that you're not cut out to be a teacher in the first place.
The eye tracker AI I use in my editing software was not having a great day when I edited this. I noticed that too but there wasn't much I could do about it. I've mentioned that I use that in my video on AI in my field actually: th-cam.com/video/36HGOp9Lxwo/w-d-xo.html
Yes we don't have a shortage of teachers we need change in leadership ❤❤❤❤😢😢😢
To put it mildly, yes!
Clean up the education system!
Make it a respectable profession again!
That'll be the day! The system is so deeply entrenched in its current state where the solution to everything is more Bandaids that only complete reform will lead to meaningful changes.
Sounds bass-ackwards. I had no problem passing the credentialing exams, but I'd have LOVED for someone to sit through the insipid education courses in my place. And by the way, classroom management was not covered in ANY of those classes; the professors were even visibly annoyed when we raised those issues in class. (We were teaching on internship licenses during the day, and often wanted to share the day's challenges in our evening classes, but the professors quickly changed the subject.) I'm convinced that the pricey, time-consuming, largely useless education programs required for teacher credentialing exist solely to provide employment for education professors who washed out of the K-12 classroom early on and couldn't even do my job.
I mostly agree with you here. Classroom management is barely covered in credentialing classes and they expect that you'll learn how to do it just through osmosis during student teaching.
I had only one single course where we were really able to share our student teaching experiences and talk about our challenges as you mentioned you tried to do. All of my other ones were so ridiculously theoretical that it was hard to relate any of it to what I was doing - especially seeing as our professors were mostly in their 70s and hadn't taught in a K-12 classroom in decades - thus making them incredibly out of touch.
I think you'll like my "Student Teaching is a Scam" video. I'll link it here for you: th-cam.com/video/n2bcT9ntK7A/w-d-xo.html
I basically agree. I had no problem passing the Praxis Math exam, but the teacher cert program was a ridiculous amount of endless projects and essays (400 hours) which I never finished.
@@MikeDunn Yeah, I think my summative teacher certification exams alone (not including any attachments or other work/class assignment) were a combined 200 pages of single spaced text.
@@MikeDunn Yeah, I had to take that "What kind of learner are you?" quiz in three different classes. HUGE waste of time, especially as all that visual learner/hands-on learner/toenail learner stuff had already been debunked. Also got tired of being asked to summarize Brown v. Board of Education just to prove I'd read it. 😠
@@KevinTheID Thanks! Will def check it out. I did the paid internship in lieu of student teaching, because I wanted to damn TEACH SCHOOL. Again, the ed courses were just an annoying hurdle I had to jump.
Brong back good old fashioned pen and paper exams and handwritten answers.
I'm not sure if that would inherently solve the issue. Cheating on exams started long before they went digital, it would just force them to be more creative.
After teaching for 30 years I ask "Who in the world wants to put up with what teachers put up with enough to pay someone a lot of money to get in?"
People who think the job is an easy paycheck and those who've bought into the moronic expression of "those who can't teach" and that they get summers off - even though ironically they clearly couldn't teach either and we don't really get summers off anyway contrary to popular belief.
I don't know what Florida's teacher certification is particularly easy compared to Texas but when I took mine, in florida, I don't remember them being particularly hard. They weren't a complete cakewalk mind you, but they weren't that hard. This isn't the bar exam or anything like that. It wasn't even the GRE.
Every state is different obviously. I know mine in CA were ludicrously brutal (probably more involved and harder than the Bar exam) and until they starting lowering qualifications, we had by far the strongest credential in the country because of it. We also had EL certifications built into our credentials too which is pretty uncommon in the U.S. where most states make you get a separate one.
Oh this is the teachers version of Operation Nightengale 😮
Pretty much!
Okay, so I’m a former teacher in Houston. I didnt know this was a thing until I stumbled across this video. Although I agree, the scam is 100% wrong, I have to say those exams are challenging on purpose as a way to make profit. For example, why is an elementary school teacher who only plans on teaching reading/language arts required to pass a math exam that includes high school level math? Sorry, but teachers are not experts on every subject area. Were talking exams that cover language arts, math, social studies, science, arts, esl and the list goes on if youre adding on certifications; it’s overkill.
Hmm, that's interesting. We have the same philosophy in CA but for differing reasons. (Though I'm sure profit is one of them.)
Here, we have a Multiple Subjects Credential and a Single Subject Credential. The former is what elementary teachers must obtain to show basic subject matter competency in all content areas since they will be teaching everything. We don't have "reading/language arts teachers" at the elementary level because they teach all the subjects throughout the course of the day and thus must have an understanding at a lower level of everything.
Single Subject Credentials on the other hand are given to show high-level competency in the specific thing you will teach at the secondary level. For instance, I had to prove that I was fully able to teach everything related to Social Science to be a history teacher, including World History, U.S. History, California History, Geography, Government, Psychology, etc. The exams were absolutely brutal to say the least and had to be done before you could even apply to a credentialing program. To add to the difficulty for me, I actually taught English as well and had to prove deep competency in that too so I had a Dual Single Subject Credential which is very uncommon in CA.
Those exams are challenging to ensure our children receive a proper education and a greater chance at life.
It definitely helps to weed out people who shouldn't be teachers in the first place. I made a video about the dangers of lowering qualifications a while back, you'd probably like it:
th-cam.com/video/40IQzroZTrg/w-d-xo.html
@@KevinTheID cheers Kevin, thank you for the replies. I will definitely check out your video on the topic. Also, this was in no way an attack on the OP Daphney.
@@LonnieLawless You bet, and no worries!
Did they go to college? Didn’t they verify them ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 America education system 😂😂😂
Credentials are issues by state licensing boards, they aren't the same as college degrees.
This explains a lot.
With how bad the teacher retention crisis has become over the last 5 years, how many cost saving layoffs have happened, and how desperate districts have become to fill positions, I'm sure this problem is more widespread than it appears too.
I am sorry but NO. This is DISGUSTING. They should've have done their job and do PROPER background checks, I am sorry but if you failed multiple time on a test to get your Teaching License? You do NOT deserve to be a teacher. They should've properly done their job and make sure ZERO fucking SEX OFFENDERS or ANY criminal would NOT become a teacher. What the hell is wrong with people now in days?! Thank the Almighty I left school and I am being home school. If I ever have children, I am homeschooling them.
I said as much in the video. Failing the gatekeeping exams is already a massive indication you shouldn't be a teacher, but regardless of the cheating, the teachers who managed to get around the background checks concern me more. It speaks to a deeper scandal then what's been admitted to thus far.
@@KevinTheID I know right?! Like if they were able to pull that off then what other stuff have they been doing?....
Sad
Yes, it is unfortunately.
Now we have activists with no business even being around children, teaching them lies. We are a first world country that has a large faction of our population with a 4th grade reading level. There are developing countries who's students are more articulate in English as a second language than natural English speakers here in the US. How is this not being addressed with more severity?
Yes and no. Some are clearly activists (actually one half an hour away from me who got placed on leave for a political rant in class is an example of that), but some just think of teaching as an easy job since so many stupidly use that term: "those who can do, and those who can't teach" - when in reality being an actually good teacher is incredibly difficult work.
Maybe it’s a skill issue with yall
@@lana-jg4ho Meaning what?
Wait wut? So, we have veener techs, lash techs,etc....I dont like ppl. Like serioisly. This is disgusting!
Not sure I'm following. What do veneer and lash techs have to do with this?
its so weird!! if you are good enough to teach the kids in a classroom, aren't you good enough to just pass the test? they're not even hard! if you went to college for your major or elementary education, it's not so difficult a college grad can't pass....
I think the question remains though if they actually were good enough to teach students in the classroom. With the sheer level of lowering qualifications and lack of oversight these days, bad quality educators are making their way into the system more and more. Plus, the tests vary from state to state and not all are necessarily easy. California's used to be incredibly long and difficult for instance and I remember that those were some of the hardest exams I've ever done - so many I know desperately struggled to pass them.
I've heard of a guy who teaches in my school, who has a bachelors degree in math, who had to take the certificature tests like 4 times before he finally passed 😅. Some people get hung up on the instructional aspects. They know the content they're supposed to teach well, but proving they can INSTRUCT on that content can be a challenge... I'm a math bachelor too teaching Physics right now on a conditional license and I hope when it's my time I pass haha. It can all turn into a jumbled up mess, especially when you have to suddenly switch to a different content area cuz of teacher shortages!
@@aboycalledfish Oh absolutely, some people just aren't good test takers and I knew a couple who had to take their exams a couple of times to pass. These teachers though are ones who repeatedly failed them and had to resort to cheating to get through them. That's the sticking point for all of us and when you have to resort to that, it should tell you that you're not cut out to be a teacher in the first place.
your eyes @1:20 so you are A.I.?
The eye tracker AI I use in my editing software was not having a great day when I edited this. I noticed that too but there wasn't much I could do about it. I've mentioned that I use that in my video on AI in my field actually:
th-cam.com/video/36HGOp9Lxwo/w-d-xo.html
@@KevinTheID this is exactly what an AI would comment!!!
@@tonymacintosh3744 Can't tell if that's supposed to be a joke or not.
@@KevinTheID the ignorance of some people is truly scary, that we have to even question if it's a joke or not.
@@LonnieLawlessare you AI?