@@Amethystfaeth Honestly they should’ve made what she looked like irl she looked pretty like that. Honestly makes me question why they didn’t make her look like herself.
@@Amethystfaeth I watch the video of him drawing Pocahontas in front of a live audience and he said he looked at at the girls like Hispanics and took different aspects from that I never heard of the supermodel thing until now
@@xeecstasy3183 Does anyone really know what she looked like, though? All we have are paintings and even those were based off of the artists' interpretations, so there are bound to be some inaccuracies even in the portraits we see of her. We never know how someone truly looks until we see them face to face. Personally, the animation for the people in the movie was never my style, but the landscapes are cool. My favorite is the ship. I was (and still am) obsessed with how brilliant it is, especially the rigging. Another favorite is all the wind scenes... so many beautiful colors and fluid movements; you can tell there was a lot of time and love put into it, as with everything else they did in the movie.
As a Native American, I found it freaking powerful as a young child to see someone on the screen who looked like me. Even if I'm mixed with white. But it was for sure amazing. But unfortunately, this movie really made my life hell. Since diversity wasn't a popular thing in Disney movies, people found it more likely to look at Native People in the present like they are legit fairy elves than actual living people because of the way it was depicted. I am not even kidding, because of the way the story of our people is told, not only in Disney but even in history classes to this day, we are treated like we just do not exist.
"people found it more likely to look at Native People in the present like they are legit fairy elves than actual living people because of the way it was depicted" Thanks for adding to that, Stephen King!
@@J3rr3LL I don't totally blame Disney for not being too diverse. It was just the times, even in the early 2000's. Even like blatantly racist parts in animated or just regular movies is genuinely messed up but again, time period has a big factor to that. But I think its important we do what we can as people to acknowledge how f*cked up a movie could be and the real life impact it could have on people, ya know?? Thanks for listening. ^_^
@@christopherb501 I'm really sorry but I don't think I'm too familiar with the misconceptions Stephen King has written about Native people. I only read one of his books and it was forever ago and the only movies I've seen was It, The Shining and Doctor Sleep. I think I heard Pet Cemetary was pretty questionable but I'm not sure if that's what you mean. If you could enlighten me with the info I'd really appreciate it. After long enough dealing with movies who perpetuate the stereotypes of my entire culture and people, I have a good mix of anger whilst also being pretty amused by it (in a "Wow, they got that info so wrong" kind of way.)
Original history of Pocahontas was very heartbreaking, she was kidnapped while being a young girl, (probably) forced to convert to christanity and marry John Rolfe Her original name was Matoaka She died at the age of 22 because of pneunomia (or smallpox), which she fell ill with during her stay in England where she was treated like a circus attraction (people from her village probably didn't treat her much better, her popular nickname "Pocahontas" meaned something like "annoying kid") It's sad how shallow Disney presented her history But for me this movie still has its magic, amazing music and inspiring story It was the reason I started to learning about native american history and mytology and now I want to become anthropologist ｡◕‿◕｡ And as a kid I also thought that I can climb trees the way Pocahontas did haha (Sorry for any mistakes, english is not my native language)
they also killed her husband and child and r worded her repeatedly until she got pregnant. John Rolfe was just the one who volunteered to marry her to cover up what they did to her
As a mixed person, who is native, this movie truly was my first taste of representation. Like I saw people who looked like me. And I’ve always loved this movie. It just touched me so deeply as a kid. I could give a crap about the romance but seeing Native Americans, the colors, the music! The animation itself is what inspired me to become creative. The last 4 minutes of the film makes me cry every time. Alan Menken is a musical genius. And his ending score in addition to the scene of Pocahontas running along the tree line and the sails. It’s so beautiful.
YES it's literally giving "I choose ME" and that's what I loved most about the end because Pocahontas is staying for herself and her people. It's where she wants and needs to be.
@@Lill2895 I wouldn’t say the ending was necessarily I choose me more so I choose to stay with my family and my people she wasn’t necessarily making it a selfish decision more so thinking as a leader or the leaders daughter. At least that’s the take I got from that
As a Native American I can tell you that they are indeed speaking a Native American language I also would like to point out that that in real life Pocahontas and John Smith were just friends in fact Pocahontas look at John Smith as if he were a pet after John Smith was shot and sent back to England Pocahontas was captured by the remaining English who had settled down in the New World she was imprisoned by them for 2 years until eventually she was set free also kocoum a real Native American and a lot of the Native American names that they used in this movie were real factual people also Pocahontas died when she was approximately 21 years old and she had given birth to just one son I personally love the movie Pocahontas despite all of its in accuracy I think it's still acknowledges hey we were here I also feel like one of those movies that can open up a conversation with people especially young people who don't know much about the real history behind America so yes I love Pocahontas the music I love the story and even though it's not completely accurate to what really happened I mean you don't get a lot of people criticizing Anastasia inaccuracies
@sewer~rat What is it? If anything, being executed alongside your family is more saddening than marrying an Englishman for love consensually but passing away of illness.
when you use words like "real history", you sound like a pathetic castrated coward. just say it doesn't demonize white people enough. stop hiding behind euphisms considering how bad the portrayal of history was in animation before pocahontas, it's a huge impressive groundbreaking step in the right direction anastasia was the best animated movie about russian history when it was made. i love the first 2 minutes of the movie. wasn't impressed with the rest of the movie and out of like 43 movies, it's the worst 90s animated movie. when a topic is very poorly covered, it's tough to get really upset about it
Pocahontas was the first female of color I saw in a lead Disney movie I loved her as a kid I didn’t understand the history until I got older and saw how problematic it is but the animation and music is top tier Disney
I mean, first of all. You could like her for her character and personality rather then her skin color. Second of all, it's a Disney movie. It's not meant that be historically accurate
Right? There are a lot of things to criticize about this film, but the music isn't one of them. Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz are each geniuses on their own, and as a songwriting team, they're absolutely phenomenal. A shame indeed their talents were used on this movie.
You can't really blame the movie since more and more people nowadays can't fathom that people lived by different morals standards in the past. The same people who complain that the movie isn't historically accurate are the same people who would bitch and cancel it if it was. It's amazing that people think fighting over resources and land is evil even though literally everyone does it including in this film.
@@nathantower5565 we would cancel if it glorified the atrocities of the real story. This is an awfully sanitized version of an incredibly dark historical event that shouldn't be accepted. The tragic story of Pocahontas should have stayed in documentaries.
What's better? - A ship that will spend 2-6 months on sea, with the salty winds licking your wounds and the umidity proliferating bacteria, with low amounts of food, basically no medical supplies and a destiny that's basically a sewer Or - An arid Tipi, that's safe from the elements with plenty of healing herbs all around and hundreds of years of medical knowledge from plenty of people that have seen far worse than a bullet wound, plus a surplus of food and a beautiful place to be in general? Yep, the ship, definitely.
Like, I'm guessing that guy who fell, like 20 feet, after getting shot in the leg survived after immediate treatment. But I'm sure the guy who was shot in the chest wrapped up in mouldering blankets in a rat-ridden ship has an even better chance in England.
I freaking hate colonialism and the fact that it still goes on, sometimes in hidden forms even today. Also just a kind reminder that a lot of European nations were under colonization of other European countries and because of that can relate to Native Americans, African nations etc, so much! What I'm trying to say is that it is not a white vs colored issue, but rather colonist vs native issue.
*cough* china literally taking over parts in africa and making concentration camps *cough* but nobody has the balls to say something about it because its china and they are not white people thus is not racist or evil *cough*
@@diannaa.62 exactly, it hasn't been comparable since before medieval times lol Also, White people can usually just lie and blend in when it comes to lineage and race. POC can't. It's impossible to hide being African, Asian, or Native in a crowd of White people. In the last several hundred years, it's pretty much been European countries enforcing manifest destiny, Imperialism, and colonization plus mass genocide.
@@diannaa.62 There are many examples of similarly violent takeovers. For example, Scandinavian people in England were literally wiped out by the English because they feared being taken over due to them being Viking descendants. Also the Norman conquest of England, and even the Germans rolling through France in World War 2, where many atrocities occurred. All white people involved, just as brutal. The issue with colonialism becoming brutal isn't racism per se, it's tribalism, and we can divide ourselves into tribes in many ways. Race is often an identifier just because it's obvious, but there have been many identifiers of tribe that lead to brutality
Wasn’t the voyage between London and Virginia like three months long back then? John Smith really had to lay there with a bullet in him that whole time. No wonder people thought he was dead in the sequel lol.
Thanks for reacting to this movie, I get the whole historical inaccuracies but it's Disney and they have a habit of changing stories. They usually do it with fairy tales but Pocahontas was a real person. So this was more historical fiction that depicted English settlers taking over the lands of Native Americans. Plus it was funny that the creators wrote John and Pocahontas to be like Romeo and Juliet despite the massive age gap between the real people who I hope didn't engage in a romantic relationship.
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure John 'fell in love' with 14-year-old Pocahontas, kidnapped her and took her to Europe where she got married with another english man
@@antoarzamendia no, John Smith stayed only for a few months there, and though there might have been something between them, there was no evidence. She met her husband, John Rolfe (a tobacco farmer), at her land, they were married there when she was 18 and two years later, she traveled with him to England, where she died a year later
I’m pretty sure they did meet but had more of a daughter/father relationship than a romantic one The part about her saving him from execution was true though from what I know
If it makes you feel better, the relationship between the 12 year old Pocahontas and the 40 year old John Smith was more like that of an uncle/niece relationship or a father/daughter. They spent a lot of time together, learning each other’s languages and she taught him and his men about the crops that thrives in the area. She also was helping them keep peace between her tribe and his group of explorers.
I looked up the actual historical events of Pocahontas. She did befriend John Smith after her father captured him. She also convinced her father not to kill him (although I don't think it was quite as dramatic as presented in this movie). She also was very influential in helping her tribe and the colonists get along (during her lifetime, anyways) Also, the romantic relationship with John Smith never happened. Her first marriage actually was to a guy named Kocoum. After he died she eventually remarried an English settler named John Rolfe. But she never had any sort of romantic/sexual relationship with John Smith. That was made up by Hollywood.
I feel like not many people truly appreciate the masterpiece that is "If I Ever Knew You," the movie's end title song. It's one of my favorite Disney songs
I think Pocahontas is probably the most beautiful princess in the entire franchise. And she's basically the only one who didn't have a "happy ending" which is really cool. And btw, you have an amazing voice!
The fact that the voice actor for Governor Ratcliffe, David Ogden Stiers, was also Cogsworth in Beauty & the Beast as well as the condemning priest in The Hunchback of Notre Dame prologue...mad respect. 👏😉
My big brother passed away when we were really young. "Colors of the Wind" was played at his funeral, and will always hold a special place in my heart.
Pocahontas was one of my first Disney films that I saw in theaters. I couldn't pronounce it because I was two so I called her hontas. I even had a pocahontas themed birthday party when I was two. I even had the cassette tape of the soundtrack to play in my Walkman. As an adult I know now how historically inaccurate it is but the music is still amazing. While it was one of first Disney films growing up I definitely loved the Little Mermaid and Hunchback more as a kid. I was in and out of the hospital a lot as a kid and my parents always gave me an Ariel toy each time I saw a doctor or went to the hospital so the little mermaid has a special place in my heart. And I related to Quasimodo because I was constantly bullied from a young age because of my vision and disability. Anyway I love your commentaries and singing and you always look gorgeous in your videos. I hope you are doing well and I hope you have a wonderful holiday season.
I'm not Powhatan (Wahunsenaca) so I can't confirm nor deny that the language is correct. I got a feeling they didn't care too much about getting the right tribes language for this movie though so it could even be Cherokee, I have no idea. Im a Mohawk Native with very little teachings into our ancestral language (thanks forced assimilation) But, fun fact, a lot of movies that depict ACTUAL Native Americans in movies usually just tell the actors to "Speak Native" in the script, so they speak sentences with stupid subtitles on the bottom that don't match at all. I forgot the name of the movie but I saw a movie where Native actors were calling the white cast and crew for not even knowing what they were saying. It was amazing.
I love that for them 🤣 It's the equivalent revenge of a White person getting a tattoo with Chinese or Japanese language characters. They think it says "strong and beautiful" but really it says "dumbass!"
As a history major I also never watched Pocahontas, but a I love the two songs the everyone knows, and the way that the colonizers would've had DIED ON THE SPOT, but they played like "this one guy got shot let's go back to the village" bruh do you know how long it takes for recharge a gun from that time ? They would've shot you with ten arrows by then. And don't let me started on the "love story" and the hate is bad let's be friends thing aaaaaa
@Daisy Mae Obviously not, I'm saying that, this is another topic about the movie that I hate, I'm sure Disney never did another movie with this message and it was very hard for them to think about a story that depicted that massage, but im sure the children loved seeing native americans and colonizers being friends since the school sistem sure thought them very well on the matter and they did not grow up with that kind of message internalized
Well you certainly aren't an English major. As a history major you should know that of course, alot of these events can't be verified but some of the events of the movie are based on actual accounts. Disney did put some effort into historical accuracy. They didn't just make it up. They built the story around historical accounts from the time.
In my opinion, Thomas is the REAL hero of this movie! Yeah, he gets saved by John Smith once, and he goofs a bit during the first big fight with the natives, but he saved John Smith from Kocoum, goes back for help when John Smith is captured, he was the first to stand up to Ratcliffe, and leads the others against Ratcliffe when John Smith gets shot. Plus, he was voiced by the Dark Knight himself, Christian Bale!
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck going in the other direction, Christian Bale was Jack Kelly in Newsies released 1992, 3 years (or maybe even during) before voicing for Thomas in Pocahontas.
Ditto. Couldn't have said this better myself. I don't have a Disney Prince list though; NONE of the Princes were worthy of the Princesses... Well, except maybe Prince Eric from Little Mermaid. But Pocahontas will ALWAYS be my #1 Favorite Disney Princess.
Now that you mentioned Hercules I would LOVE if you did a commentary about it!! the sound track is so good it was one of my favorite Disney movies growing up, I didn't realize it did poorly since I loved it so much haha
Pocahontas is always conflicting for me because it’s so aggressively colonial but also the only native rep we have that isn’t…uh, well you’ve seen the scene in Peter Pan I’m sure. I do really appreciate you pointing out the issues because Disney usually gets a pass on this sort of thing, which historically hasn’t been great.
Peter Pan is a dang cringe fest! As a little Black girl, I always hated it. It's like they were doing their best to offend everyone but White men/boys 🙃 I wanted Tiger Lily to break Peter's neck because he was so disrespectful and the song they sang 🥴 It was the Dumbo Jim Crows all over again for me lol
Interesting Fact: First Lady Edith Wilson (nee Bolling) was President Woodrow Wilson's wife. She was also a direct descendant of Pocahontas and John Rolfe. The generational impact of Pocahontas is amazing, even from her unfortunately short life.
One thing that bothers me is after kocoum dies, poca is like "I won't get to see John again-" like girl our boy just died and u makin out with Johnny boy? that always bothered me. I wish she was immediately like we gotta stop this war, cuz its killin folks. idk this whole movie is a trip the more I see it lmao 🤣 rest in power kocoum
I used to watch this movie alllllll the time when I was a kid (I had it on vhs too lol.) I thought Pocahontas was one of the most beautiful people I had ever seen! I loved her hair and voice, and I wanted a blue necklace just like her mother's- it was so pretty. It's really disgusting how they rewrote John into being a better person :// And changing Pocahontas's age too :(( I had no idea when I was watching this back then- it's sad how much Disney turns tragedies into redemption stories for horrible white people
My sister actually had a necklace like hers! She wanted one really bad, and a friend of our moms made her one. She kept it for years and years until eventually the lower part of our house had to be gutted and redone, then it (along with a lot of other stuff that we're PRETTY sure the renovators stole) was lost, thanks Termites -_-
@Daisy Mae Right I don't hate this movie at all- I really watched it all the time growing up and still like it today. I also know that's a common theme with Disney just to rewrite history. It's just important to also recognize that this story along with many others, yes makes for a great movie, but also led to misrepresentation and ultimately even more suffering for Native Americans.
They also change her body shape so she could be more “sexy” and changed her face and overall didn’t do the culture right. I hated the movie since they always made ONE white person good even though they whites were all in the wrong. They made her date some nasty guy it was so disrespectful. Liked the songs and art though.
@@8836tay This is a genuine question, so hopefully this comes across okay, but how has this movie created more suffering for the Native Americans? For me, it inspired me to learn more about Native Americans, and in my explorations, I discovered that I have many ancestors and some relatives who are Native American, and as a result, my DNA results actually show that I'm mixed race. I wouldn't have known that were it not for this movie guiding me on that path. I'm just curious as to how the rest of the public treated the Native Americans as a result of this movie when, for me, it truly shined a light onto the culture and people, in an otherwise dark and little known part of history at the time.
I personally loved watching this movie as a kid, and still do today. I always found the music, animation and voice cast really influential. Yes, I'm aware of the historical inaccuracies and I respect anyone who's not a fan of this film. I loved how Pocahontas was sweet, gentle, but at the same time, stood her ground and manage to convince others otherwise. John Smith is a bit of a block head, but I still liked that he changed his opinion after seeing the bigger picture. Also, I would pick this film over every live action movie. Fun Fact: Russell Means, the man who voiced Pocahontas' father, was very supportive of the movie.
The conflict between Pocahontas, John & Kocoum reminds me of Romeo & Juliet with Kocoum being Tybalt and the war between the worlds being resolved with the inspiration of Pocahontas & John's bond
OMG! Your singing voice! Thanks for sharing it. The real Pocahontas was either 12 or 13 when the events depicted in the movie took place. Many stories before the Disney movie, positioned this relationship as a romance. It's doubtful that it actually was. Pocahontas was married to John Rolfe when she died in England.
Every time the colonists sing in Savages I cringe but whenever the Native Americans are singing I'm just nodding along like "they're right and they should say it."
I laugh at how the colonists were saying really racist shit in that song and then Native Americans come on and start saying really racist shit about white people and then she just agrees with the racist things being said about white people, while looking all disgusted about the racist things being said about Native American. It's just proof that the majority of these really "progressive" people are morons and hypocrites. If you actually think they are right, then you clearly not listening to the song and are just as racist as those colonists were.
I have to say Disney was really gross with this movie once you see the real Pochahantas and John Smith and here’s one detail: She was a minor and he was an adult and she died from the Disease he brought to her homeland
@@hinasakukimi yeah I forgot they changed up the Johns for some reason but yeah it’s still pretty gross how they took a pedophiliac relationship into this
@@scarletsage6267 lmao idk why they did that either. to me it's on par with the idea of disney making an anne frank musical, aging her up, then making her fall for a nazi soldier. like........... why do we need that?
The real John Smith was more of a RED FLAG than the fictional one. And I mean John Smith was almost as big of a danger warning as "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" novel version of the Phoebus character.
While I agree with you about Kokuom, if they wanted a better love interest for Pocahontas that was a settler, maybe Thomas (if he isn’t married). Bear with me here. Their storylines could intertwine. Thomas would realize he would not be a man by killing a bunch of people and Pocahontas can have the same scenes she did with John Smith but with someone with less flags. Thomas was fighting with his conscience the entire film. I am not saying I ship the two, but I can picture it. Honestly, i wanted Pocahontas’s friend with Kokium. She appreciated and trusted him.
I used to watch this movie every time I got sick in middle school and high school (which was a lot, yay for chronic illness), and I only just now realized Pocahontas “learned” English by the grandma spirit telling her to listen with her heart
I think savage and hellfire are the last time disney had actually BALLS to say things. Savage pictures exactly how both nation see each others as unhuman in the same way ( which mean they are actually the same ... simply humans lost in either hatred or greed ). Disney made such a good parallel between them with that song. People are often afraid of what they don't understand or don't know. But when you confront your fear and actually talk with those you used to be defiant about , you discover so much more. Culture. Language. Behavior. It's so nice. These days i really feel like people have forgotten that talk / peace was an option before war and bloodshed.
Look at the majority of the comments here (and sadly even much of what Sophie has to say) and you'll see that you and Disney are completely on the money.
I always love your reactions, this was no different. I'm white, but I grew up in a reserve town in northern Canada. While a lot of my friends saw some issues with Pocahontas as well as Brother Bear for the majority of them Pocahontas was their favourite Disney lead. Similar to how so many of my ginger friends have Ariel as their favourite Disney Princess because they could see the physical similarities and it brought them joy. A lot of my friends make memes with pics from Pocahontas and really love that it existed even though it sucked in historical accuracy form and gave a stronger mythic element to real people. It still meant a lot to almost all of them and it was the most requested rewatch at slumber parties (we even had Pocahontas look alike contests together, which I failed miserably at 🤣 one girl always won as she legitimately looks like a live action version of the animated Pocahontas). Different Indigenous Nations absolutely deserve larger than life movies made by people in the nations. Stories they genuinely want to tell. But stories like this one and Brother Bear were important in opening certain doors and starting conversations. As a kiddo my dad got me the animated hero classics that had the more accurate story with her real name. It was very sad, but I knew it. He also bought me real and imagined biographies on her, other young people of different cultures, races, etc. I cannot recommend enough having that kind of story access available for kids who want to immerse themselves further into the stories if anyone has kids who love stories. 💙 It definitely opens up the empathy channels to constantly step into the perspective of people with different lives, economic, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality.
I'm Native American, so I always loved this movie growing up (as well as Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and Brother Bear)! They have major flaws for sure, but I still got to see myself represented and was amazed! I even remember having a huge crush on the Disney John Smith, haha.. I guess I think of it as him learning from Pocahontas, I mean he did become a better person by his time with her, cause he was pretty trash before that! 🤣
I think the problem with this movie is how they want to make it a romance when the subject itself is soo wrong lol it’s not really John smith that is the red flag as much as the whole trying to make a Romeo x Juliet plot line for colonizers and the native Americans they oppressed 🙄
Yeah, adding... Mmhmm colonizing as romance definite issues. I'm glad in the story they at least pointed out his worldview biases. But knowing how brutal it got consistently and hoe there are even skirmishes in more recent years (see Wounded Knee and the more recent one in Ontario? with the golf course and 🤦🏽♀️ recent water poisoning and sabotage against Indigenous owned fishing in Canada) Idk just knowing no one will learn and having him be "since she's hot I can't just kill her" being the only reason he saw her humanity. *Sigh* I'd like this film better without the romantic part and a deeper "hello non colonizing world views are valid" message.
So Pocahontas falls for a guy whose implied to have killed several of her own people and almost gets shot by him? Being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble. -Mufasa
The easiest way to fix this movie is to NOT make it historically accurate. My favorite prince is Eric because he very much let's Ariel wear the pants (see second movie) and I'm game for a supportive husband. Flynn Rider is great, too. John Smith was ruined for me when I learned more about history as well as Mel Gibson as a person. However, you never realize how high Pocahontas's songs get until you get to the end. Girl, I STRUGGLE with Just Around the River Bend.
the movie is far from being historically accurate, pocahontas in this is full grown women and so is John Smith, int the original story it was nothing like that.
I personally really disagree with Pocahontas being overly sexualised, is it bad that she looks good? I mean she is full grown women, and it being not Historical accurate is okay in my opinion. it doesn't have to be, and it wouldn't keep a pg or U rating if it was accurate to real life history. anastasia was far from being historical accurate, so in my opinion I'm happy with the choice they made. It would have been far more werid if they made it that pocahontas was 13, and was romantically involved with John Smith a full grown man. Nearly every single Disney movie origins are changed, and snow white is some what based of some real life events, but nonetheless it was still changed when disney made it. I think the movies powerful message about race and how we shouldn't judge others just based on how they look, or their cultural upbringing. I think disney were very brave to do this type of movie and I honestly respect them for it, do I think a live action version of this could work. No I don't but I think the premise of two people from different background, falling in love despite a conflicting brewing on both sides of their communities. I think can work but anything outside of that no I think it will be to hard to make work now, which is why I'm happy we got it when we did .
I do agree that the historic issues with this movie should be addressed, & how it doesn't portray Native American culture well, and Pocahontas is over-sexualized. However. To claim that makes it a terrible movie isn't true. Because the point of Pocahontas is to teach children to: A) Not be racist, because B) It leads to violence and needless suffering, and C) Appreciate people who are different from you, and D) Nature is wonderful & we're all responsible for taking care of it. Is it perfect? No. But this movie leads me to write stories which are more diverse, explore cultures and people vastly different from me, and taught me that violence is not the answer. And the songs are so singable. For some reason my brain wants to compare this to Zootopia (probably because that also deals with the issues of racism) and while I also like that movie, I think the racism was too obvious and on the nose. But maybe that's because I'm older and the message is too obvious for me? The issue of racism in Pocahontas is both obvious and a main point in the story, yet for me it's also a natural element in the story it was trying to tell.
plus nobody whines about anastasia being problematic or offensive. obviously because she's white so of course nobody will say its inaccurate or fetishy or mocking
@@finland4ever55 while anastasia is inaccurate it's pretty different in comparison to these kinds of movies where their culture has a big role in their story. sure, u could argue that with Anastasia as well but there's a boundary between the two nonetheless
acknowledging matoaka in the first 40 seconds :) thats how ya do it. i didnt have a lot of native rep growing up so i felt really bittersweet about this movie after learning her story. theres so many good songs
not me clapping after every song she sings along to like she was giving me a personal concert lol. You have such a beautiful voice! And I can tell how much you care about these songs when you sing them!
I used to absolutely love this movie and thought it was gorgeous as a kid. Now that I'm older, I can see how problematic it is. But at the same time, even though it's not a very accurate movie and poorly represents the culture it was portraying, it has an important message. Hatred because of someone's skin color will only lead to bloodshed. It's a never-ending cycle and I think that message in general is really important, especially today. Edit: Also respecting the land we live on. I think that's a very relevant thing today too.
Knowing how Disney works nowadays I can totally see them attempt a live action remake, only they make a big deal about staying more true to the original, historical source material. Then when the movie comes out it'll still end up as a trainwreck composed of different concepts from both history and the original animated movie, none of it executed very well, and it ends up pleasing no one.
ok I am SO glad you mentioned that your VHS had if I never knew you because mine did as well so that's how I know about and remember it (it's still my favorite song because Allen Menken is ABSOLUTELY INSANE.) and before I even got to the part when you mention it, I listened to it AND watched the scene and was so confused because apparently the dvds don't have it.... must be a vhs thing I guess. also I ADORE your voice!!! girl you should do more musicals so we can hear you sing because you ARE a Disney princess!!!!! UPDATE: Human Again is my FAVORITE I'm so mad it isn't in the original version !!!!
At the same time as the Virginia Company is building a settlement in the Powhatan area, the Spanish have already claimed much of the Caribbean, Mexico, South America, Central America, and what is today Southwestern USA, California, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. and New Mexico. Hope you learned something from this comment.
the fact Disney took the tragic story of a child who got taken from her home and abused over her life until dying at the mere age of 20 and said "Lets romanticize it" is disgusting.
In John Smiths defense when he and Pocahontas met…… He saw her as a threat cause she was tailing him in the middle of the forest. If I was alone in the woods and felt followed id get my gun out too
I just noticed that Thomas looks like Jim Hawkins from Treasure Planet. Is he an ancestor? Also, John Smith could've been referring to Arabs, Africans, Orientals, or other peoples of the Old World when he made mention of fighting savages. And, I'm a bit of a history whiz on this subject, so allow me to tell you some facts that the movie definitely got wrong: 1) John Smith was actually a redhead with a beard in real life. 2) Pocahontas was, in reality, 12 when she met 30-year-old John Smith. There was no romance between them. Ever. 3) Pocahontas actually was married to Kocuom before he died (I don't know how old she was when they married, though). 4) Movie Pocahontas looks way different than how she looked in real life, but the animators decided that different was better. The reason? Real life Pocahontas wasn't "beautiful enough" for them, so they hired Native American models to provide them the look that they wanted. 5) John Smith did receive a bad-enough injury that he had to go back to London, but there was no fight scene. Rather, he got the injury while he was sleeping in his own cabin. It's not known how it happened, but it is regarded to be an accident. 6) John Smith was sent back to England a few years after Ratcliffe was imprisoned for secretly keeping food away from the colonists during their first winter there. 7) The natives at first had a shoot first, ask questions later policy and killed a few settlers, a dog, and a horse who were exploring the woods before attacking them in the fort the settlers were building, leading to the death of a 9-year-old boy. This caused them to build that wall- which led to over half the colonists dying that winter. 8) Thomas' last name was Savage. Imagine how much grief he had to endure because of that. What's worse, he was the same age as Pocahontas! And he was being bullied by adults. And the only mental institutes available at the time were insane asylums, so... I can't help but feel bad for him. 9) Pocahontas saving John Smith from being clubbed didn't actually happen. It's thought that either John made up the story to give Pocahontas more public publicity to the king and queen of England, or he actually had that happen to him and it was a Turkish princess who saved him and he just replaced the Turkish princess with Pocahontas. With that being said, 10) Pocahontas did actually save John at one point before he received his injury. He and a few other settlers were given lots of corn to eat by the natives. At first, they thought it was a kind gesture, then one night, Pocahontas comes and tells them her people were actually fattening them up to make it easier to kill them. John and the colonists were able to escape this by having the native corn deliverers check to make sure the corn wasn't poisoned. 11) John Smith actually learned how to speak Algonquin before his trip to Virginia, so he would've been able to communicate with Pocahontas and her people from the get-go. He had an apprentice named Samuel whom he taught Algonquin to, making him invaluable as an interpreter just like him. In fact, had it not been for this skill, John would've been killed by Ratcliffe's supporters before the natives became friendly with them. I would like to say, though: that was actual Algonquin speech. The first Disney movie to have an actual native language be spoken in it- even if that native language is now extinct. Don't worry, there are dictionaries available still. How else would they have been able to do this? If you made it this far, AIR HUGS!! Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. Have a good day or night wherever you are.
I watched this as a teen and was fairly naive about the story. It wasnt until many years later i learned the true tragic story of her fate and also of Smiths lies.
I grew up with a big willow tree on my grandparents farm. Naturally, you have to play Pocahontas when you have that! I called it Grandmother Willow too
Wow under 100 views gang. I have a very complicated relationship with this movie because I grew up with it and have a lot of nostalgia for it, but it's riddled with issues and historical inaccuracies. But it's as one of my favorite TH-cam channels, CinemaTherapy, always says: watch with your brain turned on. 💖
Here's something else you can be impressed by:
The voice actress for Pocahontas wasn't just her voice actress. She also served as the model!
Glen Keane said that he based Pocahontas' figure on Demi Moore's body. I'm not sure if that before or after the work she got/put into Striptease.
I love Irene she also is in one of my favorite movies smoke signals
@@Amethystfaeth Honestly they should’ve made what she looked like irl she looked pretty like that. Honestly makes me question why they didn’t make her look like herself.
@@Amethystfaeth I watch the video of him drawing Pocahontas in front of a live audience and he said he looked at at the girls like Hispanics and took different aspects from that I never heard of the supermodel thing until now
@@xeecstasy3183 Does anyone really know what she looked like, though? All we have are paintings and even those were based off of the artists' interpretations, so there are bound to be some inaccuracies even in the portraits we see of her. We never know how someone truly looks until we see them face to face.
Personally, the animation for the people in the movie was never my style, but the landscapes are cool. My favorite is the ship. I was (and still am) obsessed with how brilliant it is, especially the rigging. Another favorite is all the wind scenes... so many beautiful colors and fluid movements; you can tell there was a lot of time and love put into it, as with everything else they did in the movie.
As a Native American, I found it freaking powerful as a young child to see someone on the screen who looked like me. Even if I'm mixed with white. But it was for sure amazing. But unfortunately, this movie really made my life hell. Since diversity wasn't a popular thing in Disney movies, people found it more likely to look at Native People in the present like they are legit fairy elves than actual living people because of the way it was depicted. I am not even kidding, because of the way the story of our people is told, not only in Disney but even in history classes to this day, we are treated like we just do not exist.
"people found it more likely to look at Native People in the present like they are legit fairy elves than actual living people because of the way it was depicted"
Thanks for adding to that, Stephen King!
Well Disney wasn't racially diverse then but they were diverse regionally.
@@J3rr3LL I don't totally blame Disney for not being too diverse. It was just the times, even in the early 2000's. Even like blatantly racist parts in animated or just regular movies is genuinely messed up but again, time period has a big factor to that. But I think its important we do what we can as people to acknowledge how f*cked up a movie could be and the real life impact it could have on people, ya know?? Thanks for listening. ^_^
@@J3rr3LL Also sorry, its 5am and I suffer from insomnia so I'm sorry if I didn't read that correctly and responded in a weird way.
@@christopherb501 I'm really sorry but I don't think I'm too familiar with the misconceptions Stephen King has written about Native people. I only read one of his books and it was forever ago and the only movies I've seen was It, The Shining and Doctor Sleep. I think I heard Pet Cemetary was pretty questionable but I'm not sure if that's what you mean. If you could enlighten me with the info I'd really appreciate it. After long enough dealing with movies who perpetuate the stereotypes of my entire culture and people, I have a good mix of anger whilst also being pretty amused by it (in a "Wow, they got that info so wrong" kind of way.)
"I did not absorb anything from those classes."
It's okay. Neither did the writers of this movie.
And history classes are rarely ever accurate anyway
Actually they absorbed everything and made this terrible movie about it
You learn nothing about white history anyways sadly
There's a reason this movie is called historical FICTION.
@@Queen_Sakura then why not make original characters???
Original history of Pocahontas was very heartbreaking, she was kidnapped while being a young girl, (probably) forced to convert to christanity and marry John Rolfe
Her original name was Matoaka
She died at the age of 22 because of pneunomia (or smallpox), which she fell ill with during her stay in England where she was treated like a circus attraction (people from her village probably didn't treat her much better, her popular nickname "Pocahontas" meaned something like "annoying kid")
It's sad how shallow Disney presented her history
But for me this movie still has its magic, amazing music and inspiring story
It was the reason I started to learning about native american history and mytology and now I want to become anthropologist ｡◕‿◕｡
And as a kid I also thought that I can climb trees the way Pocahontas did haha
(Sorry for any mistakes, english is not my native language)
Your is English amazing, don't worry, I would never have guessed it wasn't your first language.
Oh my gosh I totally forgot about that pocahontas was a nick name I believe it meant playful one
She was also used as a symbol of peace, she wasn’t so much viewed as a human but as a useful tool
@@girlie_ch33se20 Yes I forgot to mention it
they also killed her husband and child and r worded her repeatedly until she got pregnant. John Rolfe was just the one who volunteered to marry her to cover up what they did to her
As a mixed person, who is native, this movie truly was my first taste of representation. Like I saw people who looked like me. And I’ve always loved this movie. It just touched me so deeply as a kid. I could give a crap about the romance but seeing Native Americans, the colors, the music! The animation itself is what inspired me to become creative.
The last 4 minutes of the film makes me cry every time. Alan Menken is a musical genius. And his ending score in addition to the scene of Pocahontas running along the tree line and the sails. It’s so beautiful.
The movie overall is just okay but it has literally one of the greatest endings in all of Disney. Alan Menken’s music elevates it so much.
Alan Menken is a god and I am proud to say that
@@evabailey5668 you are not wrong lol
YES it's literally giving "I choose ME" and that's what I loved most about the end because Pocahontas is staying for herself and her people. It's where she wants and needs to be.
@@Lill2895 I wouldn’t say the ending was necessarily I choose me more so I choose to stay with my family and my people she wasn’t necessarily making it a selfish decision more so thinking as a leader or the leaders daughter.
At least that’s the take I got from that
The Pocahontas songs are some of disneys best works of art.
As a Native American I can tell you that they are indeed speaking a Native American language I also would like to point out that that in real life Pocahontas and John Smith were just friends in fact Pocahontas look at John Smith as if he were a pet after John Smith was shot and sent back to England Pocahontas was captured by the remaining English who had settled down in the New World she was imprisoned by them for 2 years until eventually she was set free also kocoum a real Native American and a lot of the Native American names that they used in this movie were real factual people also Pocahontas died when she was approximately 21 years old and she had given birth to just one son I personally love the movie Pocahontas despite all of its in accuracy I think it's still acknowledges hey we were here I also feel like one of those movies that can open up a conversation with people especially young people who don't know much about the real history behind America so yes I love Pocahontas the music I love the story and even though it's not completely accurate to what really happened I mean you don't get a lot of people criticizing Anastasia inaccuracies
I always wondered why Anastasia didn’t get nearly as much backlash. They’re both historically inaccurate romanticized fairy tales.
@sewer~rat What is it? If anything, being executed alongside your family is more saddening than marrying an Englishman for love consensually but passing away of illness.
when you use words like "real history", you sound like a pathetic castrated coward. just say it doesn't demonize white people enough. stop hiding behind euphisms
considering how bad the portrayal of history was in animation before pocahontas, it's a huge impressive groundbreaking step in the right direction
anastasia was the best animated movie about russian history when it was made. i love the first 2 minutes of the movie. wasn't impressed with the rest of the movie and out of like 43 movies, it's the worst 90s animated movie. when a topic is very poorly covered, it's tough to get really upset about it
@sewer~rat because one’s lead is white that makes it ok?
@sewer~rat oh I see sorry I’m seeing so much ignorance in the comments today that I got trigger happy but this time I’m the ignorant one.
can we just appreciate sophia’s singing because oh my god
Litterely, she's amazing
Sooo good
IM WAS SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
🙌👏👏👏👏👏👏
Her voice is so gorgeous, very Broadway material
Pocahontas was the first female of color I saw in a lead Disney movie I loved her as a kid I didn’t understand the history until I got older and saw how problematic it is but the animation and music is top tier Disney
Yeah, as a young black girl I definitely adored her. Even today, the music is still top tier
@@carktheshark As a young black girl, I adored her and the movie and music too.
I wanted my hair to be hers so baaddd 😭💁🏾♀️ It stayed billowing in the breeze.
Jasmine from Aladdin?
I mean, first of all. You could like her for her character and personality rather then her skin color. Second of all, it's a Disney movie. It's not meant that be historically accurate
the soundtrack is one of the best Disney ever made, it's a shame to be in a movie so historically wrong and disrespectful 😩
Right? There are a lot of things to criticize about this film, but the music isn't one of them. Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz are each geniuses on their own, and as a songwriting team, they're absolutely phenomenal. A shame indeed their talents were used on this movie.
It's a shame colors in the wind and just around the river bend were wasted in this movie
Why everything has to be so politically correct for your imperialist mindset, karen?
You can't really blame the movie since more and more people nowadays can't fathom that people lived by different morals standards in the past. The same people who complain that the movie isn't historically accurate are the same people who would bitch and cancel it if it was. It's amazing that people think fighting over resources and land is evil even though literally everyone does it including in this film.
@@nathantower5565 we would cancel if it glorified the atrocities of the real story.
This is an awfully sanitized version of an incredibly dark historical event that shouldn't be accepted.
The tragic story of Pocahontas should have stayed in documentaries.
What's better?
- A ship that will spend 2-6 months on sea, with the salty winds licking your wounds and the umidity proliferating bacteria, with low amounts of food, basically no medical supplies and a destiny that's basically a sewer
Or
- An arid Tipi, that's safe from the elements with plenty of healing herbs all around and hundreds of years of medical knowledge from plenty of people that have seen far worse than a bullet wound, plus a surplus of food and a beautiful place to be in general?
Yep, the ship, definitely.
Like, I'm guessing that guy who fell, like 20 feet, after getting shot in the leg survived after immediate treatment. But I'm sure the guy who was shot in the chest wrapped up in mouldering blankets in a rat-ridden ship has an even better chance in England.
I freaking hate colonialism and the fact that it still goes on, sometimes in hidden forms even today. Also just a kind reminder that a lot of European nations were under colonization of other European countries and because of that can relate to Native Americans, African nations etc, so much! What I'm trying to say is that it is not a white vs colored issue, but rather colonist vs native issue.
*cough* china literally taking over parts in africa and making concentration camps *cough* but nobody has the balls to say something about it because its china and they are not white people thus is not racist or evil *cough*
@@MyViolador Thank you for mentioning it. It doesn't get said enough.
I don’t think the white people from other colonized countries were as brutalized as the natives 🙄
@@diannaa.62 exactly, it hasn't been comparable since before medieval times lol Also, White people can usually just lie and blend in when it comes to lineage and race. POC can't. It's impossible to hide being African, Asian, or Native in a crowd of White people. In the last several hundred years, it's pretty much been European countries enforcing manifest destiny, Imperialism, and colonization plus mass genocide.
@@diannaa.62 There are many examples of similarly violent takeovers. For example, Scandinavian people in England were literally wiped out by the English because they feared being taken over due to them being Viking descendants. Also the Norman conquest of England, and even the Germans rolling through France in World War 2, where many atrocities occurred. All white people involved, just as brutal. The issue with colonialism becoming brutal isn't racism per se, it's tribalism, and we can divide ourselves into tribes in many ways. Race is often an identifier just because it's obvious, but there have been many identifiers of tribe that lead to brutality
Wasn’t the voyage between London and Virginia like three months long back then? John Smith really had to lay there with a bullet in him that whole time.
No wonder people thought he was dead in the sequel lol.
PRETEND THAT THIS WAS UPLOADED IN NOVEMBER LIKE I INTENDED IT TYTY 😘
As you wish ✨💕
Thanks for reacting to this movie, I get the whole historical inaccuracies but it's Disney and they have a habit of changing stories. They usually do it with fairy tales but Pocahontas was a real person. So this was more historical fiction that depicted English settlers taking over the lands of Native Americans. Plus it was funny that the creators wrote John and Pocahontas to be like Romeo and Juliet despite the massive age gap between the real people who I hope didn't engage in a romantic relationship.
Sorry, but I'm pretty sure John 'fell in love' with 14-year-old Pocahontas, kidnapped her and took her to Europe where she got married with another english man
@@antoarzamendia Yikes
@@antoarzamendia no, John Smith stayed only for a few months there, and though there might have been something between them, there was no evidence. She met her husband, John Rolfe (a tobacco farmer), at her land, they were married there when she was 18 and two years later, she traveled with him to England, where she died a year later
There is also the possibility that the two have never even met in real life, as there are theories that John Smith made up parts of his journals
I’m pretty sure they did meet but had more of a daughter/father relationship than a romantic one
The part about her saving him from execution was true though from what I know
If it makes you feel better, the relationship between the 12 year old Pocahontas and the 40 year old John Smith was more like that of an uncle/niece relationship or a father/daughter. They spent a lot of time together, learning each other’s languages and she taught him and his men about the crops that thrives in the area. She also was helping them keep peace between her tribe and his group of explorers.
Ok Disney.
@@proudson3409 that’s a bit more historical than “Disney” but whatever.
No its not , he was a pe*o
They really did invest a lot of money into animating the hair in this movie, Pocahontas' hair is amazing
It just dawned on me while watching this that Disney took the real story of Pocahontas and turned it into a Romeo & Juliet plot.
I looked up the actual historical events of Pocahontas. She did befriend John Smith after her father captured him. She also convinced her father not to kill him (although I don't think it was quite as dramatic as presented in this movie). She also was very influential in helping her tribe and the colonists get along (during her lifetime, anyways)
Also, the romantic relationship with John Smith never happened. Her first marriage actually was to a guy named Kocoum. After he died she eventually remarried an English settler named John Rolfe. But she never had any sort of romantic/sexual relationship with John Smith. That was made up by Hollywood.
Actually not made up by Hollywood, made up by John Smith himself
I feel like not many people truly appreciate the masterpiece that is "If I Ever Knew You," the movie's end title song. It's one of my favorite Disney songs
That song is fire
I think Pocahontas is probably the most beautiful princess in the entire franchise. And she's basically the only one who didn't have a "happy ending" which is really cool.
And btw, you have an amazing voice!
The fact that the voice actor for Governor Ratcliffe, David Ogden Stiers, was also Cogsworth in Beauty & the Beast as well as the condemning priest in The Hunchback of Notre Dame prologue...mad respect. 👏😉
And Wiggins :)
He also played Charles Emerson Winchester the third in the show M.A.S.H
@@scarlett5247 so he was basically talking to himself most of the time 🤣
and Jumba, and mr Mallard
My big brother passed away when we were really young. "Colors of the Wind" was played at his funeral, and will always hold a special place in my heart.
Fun fact - Pocahontas is not her real name. Pocahontas is a nickname from her father to her that means scowling kitten
it was actually given to her as her stage name when she was taken
😱🥺😭
@@cxcflower4727 no, you're thinking of "Rebecca". that's the name given to her when she was taken
Pocahontas was one of my first Disney films that I saw in theaters. I couldn't pronounce it because I was two so I called her hontas. I even had a pocahontas themed birthday party when I was two. I even had the cassette tape of the soundtrack to play in my Walkman. As an adult I know now how historically inaccurate it is but the music is still amazing. While it was one of first Disney films growing up I definitely loved the Little Mermaid and Hunchback more as a kid. I was in and out of the hospital a lot as a kid and my parents always gave me an Ariel toy each time I saw a doctor or went to the hospital so the little mermaid has a special place in my heart. And I related to Quasimodo because I was constantly bullied from a young age because of my vision and disability.
Anyway I love your commentaries and singing and you always look gorgeous in your videos. I hope you are doing well and I hope you have a wonderful holiday season.
I do not often meet people who loved the huntchback as kids.. but that was my all time favorite
Kocoum was literally fine 😭 at the start he looked serious but then we see he’s actually quite nice and he cares about her.
I liked him a lot more than John Smith.
@@reikun86 same, I liked someone who wasn’t John smith bc he was bland.
I wish we got to see more of Kocoum. But I think it would make me more upset that she would even touch John Smith. 🙄 ok girl, have your smallpox!
Yeah,even when I was little I wondered why she wouldn't just give Kocoum a chance.
@@MalachiJones-wg7yx She said that he was “so serious.”
I'm not Powhatan (Wahunsenaca) so I can't confirm nor deny that the language is correct. I got a feeling they didn't care too much about getting the right tribes language for this movie though so it could even be Cherokee, I have no idea. Im a Mohawk Native with very little teachings into our ancestral language (thanks forced assimilation) But, fun fact, a lot of movies that depict ACTUAL Native Americans in movies usually just tell the actors to "Speak Native" in the script, so they speak sentences with stupid subtitles on the bottom that don't match at all. I forgot the name of the movie but I saw a movie where Native actors were calling the white cast and crew for not even knowing what they were saying. It was amazing.
The subtitles labels the language as Algonquin.
Normally if it’s jibberish or something not meant to be understood, it’ll say “foreign Language “
I love that for them 🤣 It's the equivalent revenge of a White person getting a tattoo with Chinese or Japanese language characters. They think it says "strong and beautiful" but really it says "dumbass!"
What was the name of the movie?
Jajajaja, that's awesome. I'm actually learning indigenous languages in university so I can watch content made by the people without subtitles.
I'm actually half Cherokee from my dad's side tho I sadly don't know alot about it
Whenever I sing colors of the wind you can’t tell me I’m not Pocahontas hunni lol
6:13 I know this has been said before on this channel, but petition for Sophia Phan to sing in a Disney movie! 👏🎶
I was literally harmonizing with you for Colors of the Wind. That song is one of the saving graces of this movie
i mean at least disney had the decency to have her voiced by an actual indigenous woman
I am not a fan of John Smith, but I can't stop laughing at how into it he was during Colors of the Wind.
As a history major I also never watched Pocahontas, but a I love the two songs the everyone knows, and the way that the colonizers would've had DIED ON THE SPOT, but they played like "this one guy got shot let's go back to the village" bruh do you know how long it takes for recharge a gun from that time ? They would've shot you with ten arrows by then. And don't let me started on the "love story" and the hate is bad let's be friends thing aaaaaa
@Daisy Mae Obviously not, I'm saying that, this is another topic about the movie that I hate, I'm sure Disney never did another movie with this message and it was very hard for them to think about a story that depicted that massage, but im sure the children loved seeing native americans and colonizers being friends since the school sistem sure thought them very well on the matter and they did not grow up with that kind of message internalized
@Daisy Mae it is when its built on a lie
Well you certainly aren't an English major. As a history major you should know that of course, alot of these events can't be verified but some of the events of the movie are based on actual accounts. Disney did put some effort into historical accuracy. They didn't just make it up. They built the story around historical accounts from the time.
@@loveGG3 well you certainly can't understand words because I was referring to the romantic part and relationship between colonizers and natives
In my opinion, Thomas is the REAL hero of this movie!
Yeah, he gets saved by John Smith once, and he goofs a bit during the first big fight with the natives, but he saved John Smith from Kocoum, goes back for help when John Smith is captured, he was the first to stand up to Ratcliffe, and leads the others against Ratcliffe when John Smith gets shot.
Plus, he was voiced by the Dark Knight himself, Christian Bale!
I can't believe his voice went from that to American Psycho in 5 years
@@jordanjoestar-turniptruck going in the other direction, Christian Bale was Jack Kelly in Newsies released 1992, 3 years (or maybe even during) before voicing for Thomas in Pocahontas.
@@PyrotechNick77 man ages slowly. If my math doesn't completely suck, he would have been around 18 for Newsies!
Not quite as slowly as, say, Ralph Macchio, but wow!
That’s crazy ! I think he’s in the live action depiction of Pocahontas too “the new world” I think it’s called ?
"Wasn't England back than like dreary and gray? There was like sewage everywhere?" - Sophia, 2022
As far as princes go I like
Ditto. Couldn't have said this better myself. I don't have a Disney Prince list though; NONE of the Princes were worthy of the Princesses... Well, except maybe Prince Eric from Little Mermaid. But Pocahontas will ALWAYS be my #1 Favorite Disney Princess.
@sewer~rat Why are you being rude?
Now that you mentioned Hercules I would LOVE if you did a commentary about it!! the sound track is so good it was one of my favorite Disney movies growing up, I didn't realize it did poorly since I loved it so much haha
Pocahontas is always conflicting for me because it’s so aggressively colonial but also the only native rep we have that isn’t…uh, well you’ve seen the scene in Peter Pan I’m sure.
I do really appreciate you pointing out the issues because Disney usually gets a pass on this sort of thing, which historically hasn’t been great.
What are your thoughts on Terrence Malick’s film The New World?
Peter Pan is a dang cringe fest! As a little Black girl, I always hated it. It's like they were doing their best to offend everyone but White men/boys 🙃 I wanted Tiger Lily to break Peter's neck because he was so disrespectful and the song they sang 🥴 It was the Dumbo Jim Crows all over again for me lol
“Just around the river bend” and “colors of the wind” are S-tier Disney songs 🥰
I think the only historically accurate thing in this film was the fact that the dog was treated so well since Pugs used to be considered royal dogs 😅.
Interesting Fact: First Lady Edith Wilson (nee Bolling) was President Woodrow Wilson's wife. She was also a direct descendant of Pocahontas and John Rolfe. The generational impact of Pocahontas is amazing, even from her unfortunately short life.
I didn’t know that, thanks.
Colors of the wind is without a doubt, the best Disney song ever, I used to listen to it nonstop and sing it sooooo much and still do
One thing that bothers me is after kocoum dies, poca is like "I won't get to see John again-" like girl our boy just died and u makin out with Johnny boy? that always bothered me. I wish she was immediately like we gotta stop this war, cuz its killin folks. idk this whole movie is a trip the more I see it lmao 🤣 rest in power kocoum
I used to watch this movie alllllll the time when I was a kid (I had it on vhs too lol.) I thought Pocahontas was one of the most beautiful people I had ever seen! I loved her hair and voice, and I wanted a blue necklace just like her mother's- it was so pretty. It's really disgusting how they rewrote John into being a better person :// And changing Pocahontas's age too :(( I had no idea when I was watching this back then- it's sad how much Disney turns tragedies into redemption stories for horrible white people
My sister actually had a necklace like hers! She wanted one really bad, and a friend of our moms made her one. She kept it for years and years until eventually the lower part of our house had to be gutted and redone, then it (along with a lot of other stuff that we're PRETTY sure the renovators stole) was lost, thanks Termites -_-
@Daisy Mae Right I don't hate this movie at all- I really watched it all the time growing up and still like it today. I also know that's a common theme with Disney just to rewrite history. It's just important to also recognize that this story along with many others, yes makes for a great movie, but also led to misrepresentation and ultimately even more suffering for Native Americans.
She's my fav disney princess. She's been so fabulous since childhood. Colors of the wind is THEE best disney song ever.
They also change her body shape so she could be more “sexy” and changed her face and overall didn’t do the culture right. I hated the movie since they always made ONE white person good even though they whites were all in the wrong. They made her date some nasty guy it was so disrespectful. Liked the songs and art though.
@@8836tay This is a genuine question, so hopefully this comes across okay, but how has this movie created more suffering for the Native Americans? For me, it inspired me to learn more about Native Americans, and in my explorations, I discovered that I have many ancestors and some relatives who are Native American, and as a result, my DNA results actually show that I'm mixed race. I wouldn't have known that were it not for this movie guiding me on that path.
I'm just curious as to how the rest of the public treated the Native Americans as a result of this movie when, for me, it truly shined a light onto the culture and people, in an otherwise dark and little known part of history at the time.
I personally loved watching this movie as a kid, and still do today. I always found the music, animation and voice cast really influential.
Yes, I'm aware of the historical inaccuracies and I respect anyone who's not a fan of this film.
I loved how Pocahontas was sweet, gentle, but at the same time, stood her ground and manage to convince others otherwise. John Smith is a bit of a block head, but I still liked that he changed his opinion after seeing the bigger picture.
Also, I would pick this film over every live action movie.
Fun Fact: Russell Means, the man who voiced Pocahontas' father, was very supportive of the movie.
The conflict between Pocahontas, John & Kocoum reminds me of Romeo & Juliet with Kocoum being Tybalt and the war between the worlds being resolved with the inspiration of Pocahontas & John's bond
OMG! Your singing voice! Thanks for sharing it. The real Pocahontas was either 12 or 13 when the events depicted in the movie took place. Many stories before the Disney movie, positioned this relationship as a romance. It's doubtful that it actually was. Pocahontas was married to John Rolfe when she died in England.
YOUR VOICE SOUNDED SO PERFECT FOR THAT SONG TvT
Every time the colonists sing in Savages I cringe but whenever the Native Americans are singing I'm just nodding along like "they're right and they should say it."
It is true tho!
I laugh at how the colonists were saying really racist shit in that song and then Native Americans come on and start saying really racist shit about white people and then she just agrees with the racist things being said about white people, while looking all disgusted about the racist things being said about Native American. It's just proof that the majority of these really "progressive" people are morons and hypocrites. If you actually think they are right, then you clearly not listening to the song and are just as racist as those colonists were.
@@summoner1451 HUH
I know right.
"Tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid"
I have to say Disney was really gross with this movie once you see the real Pochahantas and John Smith and here’s one detail: She was a minor and he was an adult and she died from the Disease he brought to her homeland
her actual husband was john rolfe but yeah
@@hinasakukimi yeah I forgot they changed up the Johns for some reason but yeah it’s still pretty gross how they took a pedophiliac relationship into this
@@scarletsage6267 lmao idk why they did that either. to me it's on par with the idea of disney making an anne frank musical, aging her up, then making her fall for a nazi soldier. like........... why do we need that?
@@hinasakukimi there was an actual movie of a black girl falling in love with a nazi soldier so they actually made that kinda but without music
@@scarletsage6267 i-
I love your movie commentaries! Especially those of nostalgic childhood movies! And your makeup looks amazing, like always *___*
All historical inaccuracies aside, I love this movie!
The real John Smith was more of a RED FLAG than the fictional one. And I mean John Smith was almost as big of a danger warning as "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" novel version of the Phoebus character.
While I agree with you about Kokuom, if they wanted a better love interest for Pocahontas that was a settler, maybe Thomas (if he isn’t married).
Bear with me here. Their storylines could intertwine. Thomas would realize he would not be a man by killing a bunch of people and Pocahontas can have the same scenes she did with John Smith but with someone with less flags. Thomas was fighting with his conscience the entire film. I am not saying I ship the two, but I can picture it.
Honestly, i wanted Pocahontas’s friend with Kokium. She appreciated and trusted him.
Yas, I shipped Kokuom and the friend so much! They'd be all cute ❤ but no he got murdered 🤦🏽♀️
Wow, that's a very compelling rewrite!
@@JC_Cali thank you.
Totally agree.
I used to watch this movie every time I got sick in middle school and high school (which was a lot, yay for chronic illness), and I only just now realized Pocahontas “learned” English by the grandma spirit telling her to listen with her heart
A movie that I’d LOVE for you to watch is, “Thumbelina” it’s such a fun and entertaining yet bizarre love story and the soundtrack is just MWAH ✨💕
I think savage and hellfire are the last time disney had actually BALLS to say things. Savage pictures exactly how both nation see each others as unhuman in the same way ( which mean they are actually the same ... simply humans lost in either hatred or greed ). Disney made such a good parallel between them with that song. People are often afraid of what they don't understand or don't know. But when you confront your fear and actually talk with those you used to be defiant about , you discover so much more. Culture. Language. Behavior. It's so nice.
These days i really feel like people have forgotten that talk / peace was an option before war and bloodshed.
Look at the majority of the comments here (and sadly even much of what Sophie has to say) and you'll see that you and Disney are completely on the money.
I always love your reactions, this was no different.
I'm white, but I grew up in a reserve town in northern Canada. While a lot of my friends saw some issues with Pocahontas as well as Brother Bear for the majority of them Pocahontas was their favourite Disney lead. Similar to how so many of my ginger friends have Ariel as their favourite Disney Princess because they could see the physical similarities and it brought them joy. A lot of my friends make memes with pics from Pocahontas and really love that it existed even though it sucked in historical accuracy form and gave a stronger mythic element to real people. It still meant a lot to almost all of them and it was the most requested rewatch at slumber parties (we even had Pocahontas look alike contests together, which I failed miserably at 🤣 one girl always won as she legitimately looks like a live action version of the animated Pocahontas).
Different Indigenous Nations absolutely deserve larger than life movies made by people in the nations. Stories they genuinely want to tell. But stories like this one and Brother Bear were important in opening certain doors and starting conversations.
As a kiddo my dad got me the animated hero classics that had the more accurate story with her real name. It was very sad, but I knew it. He also bought me real and imagined biographies on her, other young people of different cultures, races, etc. I cannot recommend enough having that kind of story access available for kids who want to immerse themselves further into the stories if anyone has kids who love stories. 💙 It definitely opens up the empathy channels to constantly step into the perspective of people with different lives, economic, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality.
I'm Native American, so I always loved this movie growing up (as well as Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and Brother Bear)! They have major flaws for sure, but I still got to see myself represented and was amazed! I even remember having a huge crush on the Disney John Smith, haha.. I guess I think of it as him learning from Pocahontas, I mean he did become a better person by his time with her, cause he was pretty trash before that! 🤣
I love the soundtrack.. everytime I sing colours of the wind .. I am a 🌟
Sophia acting like we don't come here for the singalongs. You seriously have a great voice, plus your humor always has me 💀💀.
I second this!!!
I think the problem with this movie is how they want to make it a romance when the subject itself is soo wrong lol it’s not really John smith that is the red flag as much as the whole trying to make a Romeo x Juliet plot line for colonizers and the native Americans they oppressed 🙄
Yeah, adding... Mmhmm colonizing as romance definite issues. I'm glad in the story they at least pointed out his worldview biases. But knowing how brutal it got consistently and hoe there are even skirmishes in more recent years (see Wounded Knee and the more recent one in Ontario? with the golf course and 🤦🏽♀️ recent water poisoning and sabotage against Indigenous owned fishing in Canada)
Idk just knowing no one will learn and having him be "since she's hot I can't just kill her" being the only reason he saw her humanity. *Sigh* I'd like this film better without the romantic part and a deeper "hello non colonizing world views are valid" message.
I don't agree
@@mrstrangeworld5977 almost all of ur comments lost the plot im afraid
Fun fact: Christian Bale is Thomas, the guy who fell overboard
you would be PERFECT to voice and do the singing of a disney princess!!! you sing so beautifully and your voice is so cheerful.
So Pocahontas falls for a guy whose implied to have killed several of her own people and almost gets shot by him?
Being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble. -Mufasa
The easiest way to fix this movie is to NOT make it historically accurate. My favorite prince is Eric because he very much let's Ariel wear the pants (see second movie) and I'm game for a supportive husband. Flynn Rider is great, too. John Smith was ruined for me when I learned more about history as well as Mel Gibson as a person. However, you never realize how high Pocahontas's songs get until you get to the end. Girl, I STRUGGLE with Just Around the River Bend.
I STRUGGLED WITH COLORS OF THE WIND LOL. Judy Kuhn's vibrato is insane
@@SophiaPhannn there's a reason Judy got the job after being the demo singer
the movie is far from being historically accurate, pocahontas in this is full grown women and so is John Smith, int the original story it was nothing like that.
@@mrstrangeworld5977 I wouldn't say she's a fully grown woman, she's still a teenager, but she's still far older than she was in real life.
I think the reason why John Smith had to go back to London was because he had gunpowder exploded in his pocket or something.
I personally really disagree with Pocahontas being overly sexualised, is it bad that she looks good? I mean she is full grown women, and it being not Historical accurate is okay in my opinion. it doesn't have to be, and it wouldn't keep a pg or U rating if it was accurate to real life history. anastasia was far from being historical accurate, so in my opinion I'm happy with the choice they made. It would have been far more werid if they made it that pocahontas was 13, and was romantically involved with John Smith a full grown man. Nearly every single Disney movie origins are changed, and snow white is some what based of some real life events, but nonetheless it was still changed when disney made it. I think the movies powerful message about race and how we shouldn't judge others just based on how they look, or their cultural upbringing. I think disney were very brave to do this type of movie and I honestly respect them for it, do I think a live action version of this could work. No I don't but I think the premise of two people from different background, falling in love despite a conflicting brewing on both sides of their communities. I think can work but anything outside of that no I think it will be to hard to make work now, which is why I'm happy we got it when we did .
the way 3 of my fav reactors just uploaded at the very same moment
I do agree that the historic issues with this movie should be addressed, & how it doesn't portray Native American culture well, and Pocahontas is over-sexualized.
However. To claim that makes it a terrible movie isn't true.
Because the point of Pocahontas is to teach children to:
A) Not be racist, because
B) It leads to violence and needless suffering, and
C) Appreciate people who are different from you, and
D) Nature is wonderful & we're all responsible for taking care of it.
Is it perfect? No. But this movie leads me to write stories which are more diverse, explore cultures and people vastly different from me, and taught me that violence is not the answer.
And the songs are so singable.
For some reason my brain wants to compare this to Zootopia (probably because that also deals with the issues of racism) and while I also like that movie, I think the racism was too obvious and on the nose. But maybe that's because I'm older and the message is too obvious for me?
The issue of racism in Pocahontas is both obvious and a main point in the story, yet for me it's also a natural element in the story it was trying to tell.
plus nobody whines about anastasia being problematic or offensive. obviously because she's white so of course nobody will say its inaccurate or fetishy or mocking
how is pocahontas overly sexualised
@@mrstrangeworld5977 people think that mainly because of her dress and the fact that they made her an adult when she was in reality a child
@@finland4ever55 while anastasia is inaccurate it's pretty different in comparison to these kinds of movies where their culture has a big role in their story. sure, u could argue that with Anastasia as well but there's a boundary between the two nonetheless
acknowledging matoaka in the first 40 seconds :) thats how ya do it. i didnt have a lot of native rep growing up so i felt really bittersweet about this movie after learning her story. theres so many good songs
not me clapping after every song she sings along to like she was giving me a personal concert lol. You have such a beautiful voice! And I can tell how much you care about these songs when you sing them!
You have such a gorgeous voice!! Loved your singing at 5:10
Just for the record, it was Tarzan that ended the Disney Renaissance
I used to absolutely love this movie and thought it was gorgeous as a kid. Now that I'm older, I can see how problematic it is. But at the same time, even though it's not a very accurate movie and poorly represents the culture it was portraying, it has an important message. Hatred because of someone's skin color will only lead to bloodshed. It's a never-ending cycle and I think that message in general is really important, especially today.
Edit: Also respecting the land we live on. I think that's a very relevant thing today too.
Wow, she's upset at how the movie brushes over details in the actual story and has inaccuracies, yet, she's full of them too.
Outstanding!
Knowing how Disney works nowadays I can totally see them attempt a live action remake, only they make a big deal about staying more true to the original, historical source material. Then when the movie comes out it'll still end up as a trainwreck composed of different concepts from both history and the original animated movie, none of it executed very well, and it ends up pleasing no one.
ok I am SO glad you mentioned that your VHS had if I never knew you because mine did as well so that's how I know about and remember it (it's still my favorite song because Allen Menken is ABSOLUTELY INSANE.) and before I even got to the part when you mention it, I listened to it AND watched the scene and was so confused because apparently the dvds don't have it.... must be a vhs thing I guess. also I ADORE your voice!!! girl you should do more musicals so we can hear you sing because you ARE a Disney princess!!!!!
UPDATE: Human Again is my FAVORITE I'm so mad it isn't in the original version !!!!
At the same time as the Virginia Company is building a settlement in the Powhatan area, the Spanish have already claimed much of the Caribbean, Mexico, South America, Central America, and what is today Southwestern USA, California, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. and New Mexico. Hope you learned something from this comment.
Random fact
As a little kid during the song I herd cabbages instead of savages
k but the fact that when I was younger, I had a huge crush on John smith💀 Like, of all the disney princes??
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the fact Disney took the tragic story of a child who got taken from her home and abused over her life until dying at the mere age of 20 and said "Lets romanticize it" is disgusting.
In John Smiths defense when he and Pocahontas met…… He saw her as a threat cause she was tailing him in the middle of the forest. If I was alone in the woods and felt followed id get my gun out too
I love your videos and your makeup it gives me cherry blossom vibes
Your singing reminds me of Disney Princess it's angelic
I'm looking to see who else mentioned Judy Kuhn's vocals. We love a Broadway legend!
I just noticed that Thomas looks like Jim Hawkins from Treasure Planet. Is he an ancestor? Also, John Smith could've been referring to Arabs, Africans, Orientals, or other peoples of the Old World when he made mention of fighting savages. And, I'm a bit of a history whiz on this subject, so allow me to tell you some facts that the movie definitely got wrong: 1) John Smith was actually a redhead with a beard in real life. 2) Pocahontas was, in reality, 12 when she met 30-year-old John Smith. There was no romance between them. Ever. 3) Pocahontas actually was married to Kocuom before he died (I don't know how old she was when they married, though). 4) Movie Pocahontas looks way different than how she looked in real life, but the animators decided that different was better. The reason? Real life Pocahontas wasn't "beautiful enough" for them, so they hired Native American models to provide them the look that they wanted. 5) John Smith did receive a bad-enough injury that he had to go back to London, but there was no fight scene. Rather, he got the injury while he was sleeping in his own cabin. It's not known how it happened, but it is regarded to be an accident. 6) John Smith was sent back to England a few years after Ratcliffe was imprisoned for secretly keeping food away from the colonists during their first winter there. 7) The natives at first had a shoot first, ask questions later policy and killed a few settlers, a dog, and a horse who were exploring the woods before attacking them in the fort the settlers were building, leading to the death of a 9-year-old boy. This caused them to build that wall- which led to over half the colonists dying that winter. 8) Thomas' last name was Savage. Imagine how much grief he had to endure because of that. What's worse, he was the same age as Pocahontas! And he was being bullied by adults. And the only mental institutes available at the time were insane asylums, so... I can't help but feel bad for him. 9) Pocahontas saving John Smith from being clubbed didn't actually happen. It's thought that either John made up the story to give Pocahontas more public publicity to the king and queen of England, or he actually had that happen to him and it was a Turkish princess who saved him and he just replaced the Turkish princess with Pocahontas. With that being said, 10) Pocahontas did actually save John at one point before he received his injury. He and a few other settlers were given lots of corn to eat by the natives. At first, they thought it was a kind gesture, then one night, Pocahontas comes and tells them her people were actually fattening them up to make it easier to kill them. John and the colonists were able to escape this by having the native corn deliverers check to make sure the corn wasn't poisoned. 11) John Smith actually learned how to speak Algonquin before his trip to Virginia, so he would've been able to communicate with Pocahontas and her people from the get-go. He had an apprentice named Samuel whom he taught Algonquin to, making him invaluable as an interpreter just like him. In fact, had it not been for this skill, John would've been killed by Ratcliffe's supporters before the natives became friendly with them.
I would like to say, though: that was actual Algonquin speech. The first Disney movie to have an actual native language be spoken in it- even if that native language is now extinct. Don't worry, there are dictionaries available still. How else would they have been able to do this?
If you made it this far, AIR HUGS!! Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. Have a good day or night wherever you are.
Your voice is so good omg and agreed, good animation and songs but it gives me the ick too to know how much they distorted actual people for this
I watched this as a teen and was fairly naive about the story. It wasnt until many years later i learned the true tragic story of her fate and also of Smiths lies.
the singing is immaculate
I grew up with a big willow tree on my grandparents farm. Naturally, you have to play Pocahontas when you have that! I called it Grandmother Willow too
"POCAHONTAS WAS 12" - Snow White was 14 and the Little Mermaid was 16. Back in ye olden times, age of consent wasn't really a "thing".
Pocahontas was 19 in this movie
I could make a series about the historical accuracies/inaccuracies that are regarded in this film. Seriously there is so much to talk about.
“John Smith is a red flag.” OMFG YES! 100% THIS!
Subtitles: *[Speaking in Algonquin]*
Her: “Is ThIs GiBbErIsH?”
This whole movie is just that one clip of Schmidt from New Girl going, "A white man? No!" 😂
8:29 OMG that is a childhood MEMORY
“was is Hercules or Pocahontas that ended the renaissance era?” it was Tarzan
Sophia your voice is so beautiful!
I'm cryingg
You have an amazing voice in every song on this channel!!:0
Fun fact: The Virginia guy with the black hair is voiced by the same actor who voiced Fergus in "Brave"-Billy Connelly
Wow under 100 views gang. I have a very complicated relationship with this movie because I grew up with it and have a lot of nostalgia for it, but it's riddled with issues and historical inaccuracies.
But it's as one of my favorite TH-cam channels, CinemaTherapy, always says: watch with your brain turned on. 💖