Third Party Games on GameCube - Scott The Woz Segment
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
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“Pac-Man talks which implies he has organs which implies he can bleed.”
The small disc was the Achilles heel for the GameCube’s third party support. Even though Capcom, Activision, Ubisoft, EA, Sega supported big games on the GameCube. I wish it had GTA III, MGS 2, Kingdom Hearts, which could’ve been able to divide the game on two discs! Hideo Kojima wanted the GC port, but Konami wasn’t able to publish it due to additional costs. KH was actually demanded by Nintendo for the GC when Chain of Memories was in development, they planned a multiplayer mode, that ended up in Chain of Memories!
An overkill attempt at anti-piracy that killed their console presence for a quarter century, now...
@@mechamaniaAgain.
@@mechamania it hurt them back then, but they finally addressed their media format shortcomings in recent consoles since the Wii.
@@mechamaniaNot to mention that it was extremely lazy. Nintendo just had to use the mini disc standard that cuts the capacity in 1/4 when they could have easily made the DVD just a bit smaller (or even larger) than the standard one. Then they wouldn't have had their storage capacity gimped, and it would actually require specialised equipment to burn DVDs of those sizes.
Also, it's funny that they did actually develop a new disc standard for the Wii U, which was quite nice. The edge of the disc was rather smooth, and it could hold ~25GB. The problem with that console was not disc capacity, however.
Aka Scott's Spongebob collection on the Gamecube.
When he said Gamecube version removed cutscenes or something I knew he was referring to his agony of the one Spongebob Gamecube game not having its opening theme lol
A lot of people consider the GameCube version of Sonic Adventure to be bad, and sure, the Dreamcast version looks better in many ways, but I loved the DX version so much on Gamecube. Not only was it my first Sonic game (and I absolutely loved it, even the Big levels), but I was blown away by the fact that you could unlock full versions of classic Sonic games by getting the in-game emblems. Talk about awesome rewards. That was the best introduction I could've possibly asked for to the Sonic franchise as a kid.
Speaking only in terms of the GameCube, it's a better (and slightly later) port than SA2B, too, which doesn't take advantage of the extra face buttons and keeps annoying context-sensitive actions (e.g. roll, pull lever) all on one button. SADX also bothers having the C-stick do anything at all, where SA2B just treats L and R the same way as the Dreamcast shoulder buttons, for lateral-only camera adjustment.
@@The_Boctormind you SADX actually came out after SA2B, and if it wasn’t obvious, it wasn’t as rushed NEARLY as much as SA2B
@@The_Boctor IIRC, SA2B was developed alongside the Dreamcast original. Or at least, there's an overlap with the development time and they had little time to fully take advantage of the Gamecube's capabilities.
Sonic Adventure is a total mess of a game, if you're going to play it it might as well be the Dreamcast version since it actually looks good.
I will say though, at the time, DX including the Game Gear Sonic games added a lot to its value, helped justify a purchase, and incentivizes the player to keep getting emblems better than any other version of the game. Which is why it was pathetic when even this was taken out of future DX rereleases, so all you were left with was a horrible version of a Sonic game that was already mixed at best. I still bought it for PS3 and 360. Individually
Billy Hatcher is such a cool game, wish they would port that game for current gen systems.
It is also on PC if you weren't aware. I bought it from Amazon years back, they don't have it anymore though.
@@dapperfan44 Well, i'm sure if I swim long enough I could find the game in the high seas. Does it run well on PC?
@@SleepyJohannesIt does! It has Xbox buttons, but it's pretty good.
i played the shit out of the split screen with my siblings as a kid,, never beat the story tho
Or maybe even a sequel!
I love that the OST to the Sonic mega collection is still popular and used to this day. Those menu themes are legendary
Dude NBA STREET V3 is the greatest basketball game in my opinion. I played it for hours.
My grandma had mostly third party with only 1 Nintendo game. It was Metroid.
RE4 was revolutionary back then. Still glad I had a GameCube to experience that gem at release.
Can't say the same for Die Hard Vendetta...
I wish I was alive during the GameCube era, I loved growing up with the Wii, but I’m a bit envious that I’m a little too late to enjoy GameCube games.
It's like 75% nostalgia.
If you still have your Wii, it's basically 2 GameCubes fused together
Why does everyone trash Sonic Riders 😭 didn’t take that long to learn
Fight night round 2 on the GameCube. I played that game to death. Nothing better than winding up those haymakers.
Just remember the iPhone got GTA San Andreas but the GameCube couldn’t
When I was a kid i foolishly waited for a nonexistent "Kingdom Hearts" port after playing it at a cousin's house on his PS2
Can confirm the pac-man “world” games on the GameCube were a treat back then and still are today 😌
Splinter Cell is a great franchise, and every single game, appears on the GameCube.
Well now you gotta do third party gamecubes on games
and the thumbnail has two of my favorite games on it lol
My main takeaway from this is there just was tons of serious bangers in this generation.
Something that did hurt me was Rareware's unceremonious death for the GameCube. I was a huge fan of theirs for the N64.
The titles that could actually work with what the GameCube had .
the Gamecube was Nintendo's last gaming console that wasn't a gimmick.
The mini discs were a gimmick, so were the handle, the console's shape, and the controller layout. Wireless controllers too. It was a much more gimmicky console than PS2, which only had analogue buttons as a gimmick, and Xbox, which emphasised its online functionality. Nintendo was far more open to throwing out ideas to see what stuck.
Not to mention the N64, with its controller, the cartridge loader + disc add-on strategy, and 4 player local multiplayer. The NES had a ton of accessories (some included in the box even), and the SNES, perhaps the tamest of the bunch, had shoulder buttons and special chips added to the cartridges to enhance the games (notably superFX for StarFox, Doom, and Yoshi's Island).
Ps2: I'm backwards compatible and can play movies
Gamecubes: I got games, games, and more games
This was an awesome segment. I wish I had played RE4 on Gamecube when my brother had it
This why I got a GameCube again to play these games again
Thanks Scott now I know Viewtiful Joe 2 came to PS2 on my third birthday!
Oh hey, I seen a 2 second clip of Lost Kingdoms in there, instant like.
Yeah, baby, that two disk Tiger Woods PGA Tour experience.
third party GameCube games >>> third party Wii U games
It really says a lot that, to this day, the GameCube version of Tales of Symphonia is still considered the best version of the game.
Not as big of a deal as you think.. Tales of Symphonia has this FF7-esque halo around it because it's the first Tales game many people played (much like FF7 for FF games) so many people view it with nostalgia. But it objectively isn't one of the best Tales games. In fact it's hard to say it's even a top 5 Tales game. Abyss, Berseria, Arise, Vesperia and maybe Destiny II or Graces f are all considered better Tales games.
Now make a video about the third party support on N64
Network Transmission is AMAZING!
in nascar 2003 for gamecube they cut all but 2 video interviews that would play as one of the load screens, in the other versions it’s randomized between a whole bunch of them, not very useful information for anyone but figured i’d get it out there
Crystal Chronicles with 4 players was an absolutely amazing experience. If only the remake was able to be as user-friendly as the original. Thank goodness a special dolphin makes 4 people playing the original version much easier.
I love the reds reference
Soul Calibur 2 wasn't only the best third party game on Gamecube, but it was also the best game of the series and the best *version* of that game.
Timesplitters: Future Perfect for the Cube was also the best version
Me and cousins almost beat Crystal Chronicles back then, but got stuck right before the last area(with the special barrier)
Considering that Soul Calibur 3 had a memory card glitch, its a good thing Nintendo didn't get it.
Capcom and Sega supported Game Cube, takes a big hit in their banks. Sega has a bad time, without DC and without sales
can’t wait for second party games on gamecube
Super exciting!
I think of GameCube having the best third party game library, compared to any Nintendo console since. Add in the fact that Nintendo has an exceptional first-party library on just about all their consoles, and that makes it maybe my favorite console from the era.
Did i see scott having a Resident Evil 1 Ps1 longbox 😮!?
Interesting seeing a GameCube video being uploaded . It’s been 5 days since my fiancee got me a component Kaico cable for my cube to use with my ossc and Mclassic. The visuals are jaw dropping. Mario kart double dash 4 player split screen 60 fps. Absolutely amazing
RE zero was great... early on there's a guy in a white coat surrounded by leeches that I recall being a mostly forgotten character in the saga.
Of course, I never tried to speed run any of those games which unlocked a lot of cool things things.
I was never able to get into Billy Hatcher. Was older and it just felt slow paced. Great color and look to it but really slow and tedious.
Maybe I didn't play it enough. Never had Sonic Gems bet that was decent. And I had the dream cast so I didn't see a need to re-get adventure.
I always hear people say how great Billy Hatcher was and wonder if they just didn't have a lot of games to play or a friend with the GTA stuff from that era. When you're getting PS and Xbox access does it change how certain GameCube games feel.
But I also didn't really love Mario Sunshine replayed in the 3D collection and it was OK nothing crazy but playing right after 64 it definitely felt like a mild evolution forward.
Tales of Symphonia has this FF7-esque halo around it because it's the first Tales game many people played (much like FF7 for FF games) so many people view it with nostalgia. But it objectively isn't one of the best Tales games. In fact it's hard to say it's even a top 5 Tales game. Abyss, Berseria, Arise, Vesperia and maybe Destiny II or Graces f are all considered better Tales games.
I was around that time and Scott is the first one I’ve heard saying Gamecube discs were a problem for third parties or anything. Sure, it was true that the size was way smaller than a DVD but I don’t really remember it being an issue, like that was not the reason the console had poor third party support.
When he says smaller I think he means the disc space, not the physical size.
The last time I booted up PSO on the Gamecube which I no longer have access to, I had 300+ hours of playtime on 2 seperate characters, both of which had been corrupted and releveled at least once and I had 2 other characters that were my "sisters' characters" that I leveled up so they could actually play with us. And I only played online maybe 3-4 times? Man I miss being a kid with substantial couch coop games.
make one about the N64
Viewtiful joe 2 exists?!
They exist!
This is Scott trying to save the planet by recycling old content
I like how the skits are trimmed out
You forget about the prince of Persia series
I’ve got mgs1 and twin snakes. Totally recommend playing both, the original is unlike anything else and the twin snakes is how I always wanted the first one to look and play although it loses some of the classic charm
You have Klonoa 2!? I need that game back in my life so bad
Were the smaller discs really an issue though? I feel like a lot of PS2 games, even though they were on DVD, didnt really utilize the entire disc. And when they did, it was mostly fluffed up with DVD quality video. I think a lot more games could have easily been ported to the Game Cube without any cuts to the game itself, it just would have taken effort that the publishers likely didnt want to spend money on, given the limited returns on Game Cube releases.
Standard PS2 DVDs were over three times the size of a GameCube disk. If they used even a third of the disk it was too big for GameCube. And any game that used dual layer disks definitely wouldn't fit, we know they utilized at least more than the standard DVD size or they wouldn't have bothered putting it on the more expensive disk.
All of the most classic games where minimum 2GB and still would be too big for those pathetic discs and producing more discs weren’t justifiable due to the small install base due to no major third party games, do you see the problem?
No, they weren't; third party devs were too lazy to optimize their games on the mini DVDs, larger and bigger games such as GTA San Andreas could've totally fit in two mini DVDs.
@@codezero7981 Implying the publishers weren't always focusing on margins and producing 2 discs where not worth it for the small install base of Gamecube.
@@key099able well you're kinda right I guess.. shame third party developers didn't follow Nintendo or Factor 5 compression skills cuz they were amazing on that
I overlooked the gamecube and feel pretty bad. I just wish the library of games wasnt so bad. I mainly played Super Smash Brothers but PSO was also pretty good but I probably play offline.
3:42 why tf did you shout ?
Are you seriously surprised that the Gamecube didn't get Final Fantasy X and Devil May Cry? That's like being surprised the PlayStation didn't get Mario 64.
Scott on his way to not discuss suda51
Removing the plural from "Possibilities" leaves you with "Possibilitie"?
That's some interesting grammar.
They made other games for my Smash Bros machine?
they made smash bros for my Other Games machine?
Pac man always consumed fruit/dot. So dude always had organs in a way. When you think about it, every cute character that consumes food or water has organs LOL, like a waddle dee. Mfs out here with cephalization n shit💯💯💯
Pacman Do you bleed?
Yeah Gamecube was pretty cool, I gotta say
Bruh
You forgot Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble
You left out Baten Kaitos..........
Holy sh*t, I hate stuff that exists!
Need to buy some more cube games tbh getting kinda stale
How did twilight princess fit but not like gta3?
There's no excuse why there is no gta on gamecube as the proprietary dvds could easily fit the large cities of the true crime series.there also no excuse why need for speed underground 2 is so poorly optimized.
I remember buying that Battle Network game thinking I was in for a good time. I was disappointed by how short and devoid of content it was...
The GameCube had advance compression technology so their system could hold the same data as PS or dreamcast games on a disc a fraction of the size... dumbest gimmick ever. PS2 and Xbox came out a year or 2 later and we have the same storage ability and now your GameCube disc is to small to hold a full size game for the era. On one hand it made 3rd party games a pain to port on the other it kept games from being insanely long to beat.
Scott is to young to know about the whole boasting about the tiny disc size. Clearly gets the issue it caused when competitors upgraded to newer better systems though lol
what game was that? 0:40
Looks like a Tom And Jerry game.
@@Gruntvc yup
Nintendo always has something that makes it in most cases the worse third party machine. GameCube had smaller disc size, Wii was just motion control, WiiU just didn’t get support, Switch is underpowered and most multi platform games run worse on it. You can argue with me all you want about the Switch being portable and still running great games but when they have a game running like The Witcher 3, it’s at the lowest possible settings and makes it not even worth playing on there. I wonder if the next console would be as strong as a base PS4 so Nintendo can say they run games in 1080p HDR maybe 30fps. Also I have the Switch and am playing through Super Mario RPG, the menus even stutter. I don’t understand how they can’t fix that.
Once again, the gamecube is the goat
Remember when a Nintendo console had a lot of games? I 'member
I own a GameCube! I don't think my parents love me
I love that the bulk of your endless content comes from billion dollar companies making poor decisions. Lol
i was wrong, scott's stash is not the main channel, THIS is the main channel now, FUCK the other 2 channels!
Gc had many amazing games.
Splinter Cell is a great franchise, and every single game, appears on the GameCube.
Holy sh*t, I hate stuff that exists!