The Story of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight Still Haunts Me | Martin Shaw & Jonathan Pageau
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The Green Knight and nearly all literature from that period and place... It's all shockingly rich. I think we have to connect the scar, the sash, and the wounds of the Risen Christ.
I think choosing an honorable death over a dishonorable life of pleasure and safety symbolized by the girdle (ultimately ending in death anyway) was the paramount theme. Maybe I'm being simple.
It’s simple it’s that he did not repeat his failure again by lying to Arthur that he failed but was honest about it he could have easily lied and been a hero
Yes! @JonathanPageauClips notice the court laughs at the end as they wear their green girdles. Laughter covers up the unknown (the water/question)- and allows us to continue on. The girdle is a protection and a garment. A means of continuing onward. But it is also intrinsically tied to Gawain’s fall. Like our own garments of skin. The poem is a creation/origin story for the English people. A myth, and to be read as such. It carried with it the whole nature of reality in the same way Genesis does, but written down for a specific people in their own literary style at a time when an ark was needed to carry such a story into the next age. This story is everything you talk about, Jonathan!
In terms of the Campbells soup cans recently mentioned, one could think of Camelot as the Andy Warhol art, the Green Knight as soup cans containing edible soup, and the Campbells company releasing soup cans which look like Warhol’s art being the integration of the two. Camelot is re-integrated into its origin in the Gawain Green Knight poem. It is the nature of reality. The end of an age (literally New Years in the poem), the flip, the trick, the splitting and walking through.
I checked and there is a copy of this book in the library close to my home. Good.
I was thinking about the shash and it could represent a humbling… and Arthur raises up the item that humbles Gawain.. Gawain also confesses the deception and is forgiven by Arthur and the court. Now the humbling turns into the virtue of humility. there by making the virtue of humility central and a reminder for all knights and the chivalric code… anyway just a thought.
There are Bible stories also that are beyond rational or even symbolic understanding. Sometimes we do a disservice to the text by forcing our interpretation or understanding upon it. Deuteronomy 29:29 and Judges 13:18 are scriptural reminders that part of the beauty of Christ lies in His unfathomable mystery.
Mystery is a symbolic pattern 😊
Incredible
To me, they're raising of the belt. Seems to be an exaltation of the common man when they understand their limits and are honest about them
@4:15
The girdle is chastity
The hunter doesn’t see it as compromise because his wife is a hunter of a different kind
I didn’t realize the girdle was given to garwin by the lady of the castle in the stories and by his mother in the A24 film. My comment was in reference to what I saw in the A24 film.
Now I don’t know what to think…
Maybe, if he went back to the castle to celebrate - they would have asked him for the girdle back and killed him
The belt is his progeny. It is escaping death by living on through your children.
For the individual who experience's light and grasps the sword on an experiential level, and doesn't yet have the stories. Resembles the... woe to whom it happens... Scandal is experienced and viewed differently from those to whom it happens and to those who it doesn't happen to...
I'm reminded of Rene Girard
Hi Johnathan. Can you make some comment about Dracula story? Is it christian? What is its meaning ?
There is no "Dracula story". Dracula is a commercial novel written in the last half of the 19th century that is based on the real life historical figure of Vlad Tepes.
Yes it is. It is commercial novel written in the last half of the 19th century that is based on the real life historical figure of Vlad Tepes. @@benjaminbeltran7004
Hey, so is this happening in Quebec then? Do tell!
…from the Earth…
He's gonna tour Canada in "a few weeks". Ha ha ha ha
Is it his guilt that is the victory? The conviction of wrong doing?
He failed, but then showed repentance?
Wait, the original telling of King Arthur was animals? Where? How do we know this, I can't find it anywhere. Please if anyone has info on this plz let me know.
The zodiac. Arthur - Bear.
@@SpaghettoLive Wow, any resources you can point me to for further investigation?
@@dotrichmusic google rene guenon king arthur pdf and there's probably a few books about it
I wish this movie wasn’t absolute rubbish.
It was actually a great movie. Just a twisted inversion of the real story. But sometimes seeing a thing upside down can help shine light on its true nature. Just sayin.
@@scotscottscottt no it wasn’t. People are tiered of seeing good stories subverted with post modern rubbish.
@@scotscottscottt the fact that is was inverted and was only made in order to make me feel awful, shows that it is not a good movie.
@@ironrex6979 Experiencing a story and recognizing it’s themes does not necessarily mean you must agree with its intent. That’s the purpose of a cautionary tale, which the original Gawain and the Green Knight is.
@@scotscottscottt I agree that there were some good shots and good filmmaking in it. But it is a bad movie with some decent filmmaking in it.
Jurassic park: the lost world is a bad movie, that has a handful of amazing scenes in it. The same is true of The Green Knight.