Honda CRF450L Rally - We Need This Bike!
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Dear Honda: Please build & market this bike. This is what I want to buy.
Still waiting for that day 😂
Had this discussion in another of your threads, so thanks for majoring on this. Honda, please build a 450 Rally that has sensible service intervals, 40 ish bhp & rear suspension that isn't soggy. Then sit back and enjoy a global sales phenomenon. Just do it!
Yep, I was getting lots of comments, especially of late, so I thought I’d make the vid. Thanks for the impetus.
Yeah the service intervals is ridiculous but it was developed as a racing bike so they did care.
L's are already getting bought and sold all over before 1k miles. I love mine, but if this really happens, I may sell, or just have two 450's in the garage. 🤣
they can't keep up the CRF300L rally... what makes you think they can do better (supply wise) with a 450 rally?
YES! YES! YES! Honda, please build a Honda CRF 450L Rally. Make it simple and with reasonable service intervals.
Yes, absolutely! This is the key point. To do so shouldn’t add much weight, but will lose a bit of horsepower, which is fine by me.
If you want 'normal motorcycle' interval for CRF450L here's 2 simple step
1. Use 15w50, no energy conservation oil allowed
2. Cap the RPM to like 8000-8500 instead of 10500 standard (do it via ECU)
You lose a few horsepower and a lot of max speed, but now have 3-4x longevity and significantly more friendly bike.
I would luv a Yamaha T5, based on the T7. Just a 500cc parallel twin with 40 - 50 hp, weighing in at about 350lb😉
How would it be 100lbs lighter apart from the engine what else are you changing?
@@chrishart8548 I actually meant to say 400lb
This. Tenere 500 or a CRF500 would destroy the ADV / Dual sport market
@@ficklepickle2495 maybe let's hope someone's makes it. The ktm 490 looks like good middle ground. Maybe Suzuki could do a DR500 twin like the Dr Big but smaller.
@@chrishart8548 Won't be if they keep putting bunch of useless electronic that would only make go to the shop faster or leave you stranded somewhere and that increase the price.
As the (very happy) owner of a 300 Rally, I would swap in a heartbeat if they brought out a 450. I don’t want a 600/700cc bike - I’ve had those and larger, but agree the 450 is my unicorn 👍🏻
You woupd hate the 450 by the end of the day ive owned 3 crfs myself & id go to a 250l several times over compared to a rough & tiring 450
Ditto
@@sys-administrator It looks like a very interesting bike, but the real problem is that it’s not a Honda. I specifically want Honda to make a damn CFF450 Rally!
Amen. Come on Honda, this opportunity has been Tee'd up for you. Don't miss it!
A 450l rally would be great, with a road based engine maintenance.
I would love to see a Honda crf450 rally like you describe.
If Honda makes this bike, I will buy it. Period!
WE NEED THIS BIKE!! The only thing preventing me from getting Honda 300L is the full-on revving just to keep up on highways
"100 lbs has a way of making a man step out" - great line...!
I just traded my Africa Twin for a Husqvarna 701 Enduro. To me it's the unicorn we are all looking for. Long service intervals, light for singletrack and powerful for the highway.
Fully agree! If Honda wants to be out of this game- let it be! Thanks God we have the twin brothers: KTM 690 and the Husky 701.
@@jerzydrozdz564 The twin brothers should make a 500 base on the EXC with more road friendly. Bigger tank etc
You nailed it, You hit the holy grail prayer spot on. You must have the same dreams as I do. Please Honda listen to this man, he's reflecting what we all ache for over here in New Zealand. I'm always getting myself into spots of bother riding my Africa Twin where a 450L-Rally would be perfect. Surely Mr Nice Honda man, you are aware that not only Yamaha but also Triumph are working behind the scenes to mention a few, that are aware of the unicorn bike. Don't miss the boat like you did with the (finally) release of the Africa Twin. The theme of most of the comments below all point in the same direction. Make another legend Honda.
I bought this bike. 2022 CRF450RL. Great bike, but I agree that it should be less race engine which has more maintenance and be able to hit the highway longer distances to get to more trails. In my area there aren't many trails close by.
Yes, minimal IT, 20 litre tank, reasonable seat 450 to 500 cc twin. Many accessories.
Couldn't agree more. If Honda get it together and launch this alongside a new 650 Transalp they will be the one stop shop for any kind of two-wheeled adventure...
AMEN, A 450L-Rally will be a dream come true and i have a feeling its gonna become real very soon ;) I have the 250L-Rally, added many things to it like a Q4 fmf, Ohlins front and rear, ejk and some more upgrades, its awesome and the ride is really fun but its definitely lacking horse power. the 450 will be a massive hit.
Yep I second that, I love my 250Rally but 40 Hp on a similar bike would be perfect.
@Johnny Rebellion what is a kit? Will you be so kind to give me a link to it?
like you 250 rally and i need some more hp 450 rally with 12000km maintenance should be great choice
@@user-rs3og2jy4f he means boring it out and fitting a bigger piston, remapping the fuel intake. Best to leave that to the professionals.
P.s. your name looks Russian to the untrained eye, they're not gonna reply bc off recent political developments. 🇳🇱NL.
It would be my ideal bike. I have a twenty year old F650 Dakar, which is a good bike but a little heavy and a 17" rear wheel. Please Honda, make the 450Rally 🙏🤞
if you want to pay for higher tech then the ktm 690 enduro and husqvarna 701 enduro are already there. lots of power, good weight and size and great service intervals since they're a step down from their highly tuned exc and fe counterparts. if honda does a low tech 450l rally with lower tuning and tolerances then they'll be occupying market space currently vacant.
Been waiting for a bike with those specs forever. As close to 300 lbs (or less!) as possible, and normal maintenance intervals. I'd be first in line
Although it's human nature to want more, I realized it takes too much time and energy to desire something that doesn't exist and simply choose one of the thousand models (new or old, modified or not) already out there and just enjoy the rides... For me personally, a CB500X upgraded with full rally-raid kit (level 2) would be enough.
The 400cc dual sport/ADV range is a big blind spot for manufacturers. I was hoping for a 390 Adventure-R from KTM since the 390 Adventure I have is too much of a street/sport bike frame. I would definitely go for a 450 Rally if they could keep the weight down, but doing that isn't a strong point for Honda.
I'd take it in a low-maintenance 400 with the suspension from the 450 - it would be a perfect size and would be more reasonable priced to register in Quebec ;-).
I'd trade in my AT in a heartbeat for this bike.
Been preaching this for years! Best video yet, folks.
I agree with you - off-road, hwy capable, longer service intervals and less than 350 lbs wet. My kinda bike. :-)
The bike you describe sounds great, but as you accurately predict it would probably cost about $11k. Personally, I would still choose the CRF300L Rally: 330 lbs, 10.9” ground clearance, 200 mile range, ABS, 70 mph cruising speed, 80 mph top speed, 8k mile service intervals, and all for only $6,300. However, @Honda, if you make the bike described in this video, PLEASE take notes from the T7 and keep it simple, optional ABS is all the tech it would need.
U gotta be crazy to think a 300 from Honda is gonna cruise at 75. U would winding that little thing out. Some say holding 75 on a KTM 790 is pushing it
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@Daniel check Trek Ethos video of his 1000 mile day on his 300 rally. He was doing 75-80 from Utah home to Washington with no problems.
@@danielhicks5031 Who on earth says 75mph on a KTM790 is pushing it, rofl. My DR650 with 40ish HP does 75 all day long, 300+ mile days. A 500exc can do 70 very comfortably. I think you're right about the CRF300 not being comfortable at 70, but it can certainly do it.
@@2000jago Relax, everyone knows it’s an optional feature
I would like to see the new version of XR650R with rally look in production! I was thinking same for AT but they built it with parallel twin 🙃, my favorite single or v-twin. New KLR made my hope also collapsed with old school tech. Maybe Suzuki creates new DR650R 😊.
I have a Husqvarna 701 and love it, I agree with you that Honda should make the engine around 700cc and with a rally chassi. That's the best combination of rally, enduro, adventure.👍
Pm, you can't use the word infrastructure when you describe a MC-model, look it up!
I agree, and would love to see it get made, but. The 701 is also a close contender. Just needs more protection from the elements which is not that hard to manufacture. Its light, its crazy powerful for a single and it is so vibration free it feels like its cheating!
41 year old man slowly plotting my return to motorcycling after an 18 year absence. The crf300l seems ideal, but the marginal highway capability (beyond lack of availability) makes it easier to wait and see if someone comes up with an honest 350 or 400 similar machine.
50 hp and 33.5" seat height and I'm in !
If this gets built they will be taking my money. Love my AT but its a heavy beast, great for travel. I've been bugging my local Honda dealer for the last 3 years.
I have a 250l rally. I’d upgrade to the 450 rally as you described happily. Maintenance intervals kept me from the 450 to begin with. I’ve done lots of miles and camping with my 250 but would welcome more power without more weight.
Just give me a detuned 450L and I’m all red!
I totally agree with this analysis. Honda - please go do what this video suggests!
Yeah, I have to say that "unicorn bike" would be extremely popular. Especially if Honda went with "option B," as you call it, and kept the cost down somewhat. Longer maintenance intervals would be crucial. I have a WR250R and like it a lot, but don't like it so much for highway use. I've always said that a similar 450 with quite a bit more power would be ideal, especially if it's still a somewhat lightweight machine. If Honda made this bike, I'd have to seriously consider it.
Enjoyed listening to you, presenting like my professor back in the university days! Thanks
The Tenere 700 reminds me of my old Honda TransAlp. It was a 600 cc V-twin. Loved that bike. It was simple, had plenty of power but wasn't overwhelming, super reliable, and took me most anywhere. And best of all it was very affordable when I bought it new. Wish I'd never sold it. :-(
This could be the perfect bike. Please Honda do it!
Great vid. While i have never thought of putting a deposit down on bike, i would the 450RL no problem.
In 71 I got out of the service and hadn’t owned a bike for six years. I was 24. I bought a Suzuki Apache 400 and went into the North Louisiana to do some real damage to my feet, hands, head and back. I’ve never wanted a bike focused on off-road again
This is exactly what they need!
I would like to see them update the 650L. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
While some still believe Honda will make this bike, others have given up and bought a AJP PR7, which is not a 450 (maybe for all the right reasons...), but it's what more manufacturers should be making for hardcore dual sport riders
If only honda made the PR7 We could see if the idea worked. Most people don't trust AJP
Totally agree about this Honda 450, I'd buy it the same day they said A.....
It'll all start when KTM presents their 490 parallel twin. Then, all manufacturers have a 450-500....
Lovely show, as usual.
Keep the shiny side up 👍🏻👍🏻 and may the spokes be with you 😁
Yes for 450 Rally!
I agree! Option B for me!!
I can't stress enough how much I NEED a 450 rally. I have a deposit on a 450l and intend on customizing it into a rally.
Excellent video, this is exactly what I'm waiting for.
Given that it would be unique in the segment, I'd gladly pay a couple thousand more than the 450L. Keep it simple like the 300L and I think it would be a winner. But if they don't keep it accessible to the average rider in weight, cost, or Hight it will be a no go for me.
Absolutely would love this bike
Wonderful video, exactly the precise bike Honda should make to make me change my over loaded T7 !
Great technical & economical analysis… I couldn’t do better…
Bravo !
Let’s hope !!…
I have to agree with you 100%. Option B all the way! The rally 300 just isn’t enough for the adventure us Dakar want to be’s desire.
Subscribed and appreciate the content. I'll add my voice to those asking Honda to make a 400 cc Rally. Any bigger than that and the gyroscopic forces of the engine make steering tougher - the reason the Beta 390 is nimbler than the 500 while almost weighing the same. Also, I can understand not wanting to cannibalize their 450RL sales, which, as noted are competing with KTM and Husqvarna bikes. A rider friendly CRF400 Rally with a shorter seat and a de-tuned engine for long maintenance intervals would not do that. It would attract DRZ 400 and WR250R riders in droves. Please Honda, help an old man out who's looking for a bike that won't crush him or leave him stranded in the back woods - 690, 701 ...cough.
Bring it on... Honda...
A dream bike, come on Honda get it done!
Exactly well said . Ive got an Africa Twin 100L and an 850 would be much lighter . Ive test ridden a T7 but its still on the too top heavy side . 450 Rally with 40 HP with a strong sub frame would be excellent.
I agree 100%. Let's hope it happens
Derate the 450 to 400, get better service intervals….I’ll buy that…! Otherwise, I’m looking at the drz(good bike too)
I would seriously consider buying a 450 Rally if it existed. Always loved the look of the 250/300 Rally, but at 250lbs without gear they just don't have enough power. I currently have a KTM 890 R. Having 2 ADV bikes seems kinda silly.
Heck yes! I want a real dual-purpose bike that is light enough to throw around on the trail when necessary!
I've been commenting this on hondas posts since the 450L came out.
Yes, I go for Option B myself,
They should use the cb500x engine with a more torque oriented tuneup, a new frame, with suspension and tbe other details... But they already have a great engine for rally purposes
Honda, Yamaha, KTM, BMW, please give us more mid-weight capable adventure options. 450-500 cc is plenty of fun!
High and yes, we need it with a long-life-engine, like the 300 have. Kindly Fiete
Luv my 300 L rally! .... Bring it on! Honda!
Top video/ review 👍
I'd buy one 100%. GET IT DONE HONDA!
YES! Honda, do it now before I send my money and friends elsewhere...
WR 450 R with a more comfortable seat and a fairing/windscreen!
My adventure motorcycling isn't on highways so I'd like the ADV version of the CRF300L with a large rack, 5+ gallon fuel tank and some nice color like black instead of racing red. If I rode highways much, I'd definitely want the 450cc engine and probably a windshield.
Alternatively, I'd also be very interested in Honda making an Africa Single, much lighter than the Africa Twin, 400cc to 500cc single cylinder engine, ABS and maybe modes for street, rain and off road. Keep it light and simple, and $8000.
I have a Tiger 900 RP and a CRF 300 Rally. The Honda is where I spend all my time because it’s just so much better off road than the Triumph while being close enough on the highway. I’d trade the Triumph in a heartbeat if a 450 Rally as described in this video was ever built.
@RedC63AMG Interesting. What kind of highway work do you do on the CRF 300? What speed and for how long? Thanks.....
@@philipbarton2634 Typically an hour to an hour and a half from my house to trails. I ride out at factory pressures then air down to 15 psi off road. I carry a small pump to put 3or 4 pounds back in before riding home The triumph needs nearly twice the pressure on road and the TFT goes nuts when you air down even slightly
I‘d buy it instantly.
I’d love a 450 Rally
Yes Honda I would. In a heart beat if you make that bike.
Heck ya this would be perfect !! Make it
Yes please... we need this..
Yep base it around the 300 Rallye. Good vid btw. I have a KTM 390 which I am very impressed with both on and off road. Its fairly cheap as well with long service intervals. I would consider the KTM 690 over the T7 but its probably a bit more expensive, but a very capable all rounder.
I would be happy to have the CRF300L Rally available in my country...
I want one. I have a 250 Rally and a 2020 Africa Twin. I’m ready for the third and (for now) final pony in my stable.
It has to be on a par price/ feature wise with the Tenere even if Honda increases capacity to 500 - 600 cc or brings out an 800cc version of the Africa Twin. I’d favour a 600 if it came in lower, less expensive. A basic version and a more expensive higher featured Adventure version.
AJP PR7 ...it's just about what you describe as your unicorn bike
Good video like always, thank you.
This is all I've wanted for years. If someone made this bike from the factory, it could be the only bike in my garage.
I think that many ADV bikes are far more capable than their present owners are anyway! To be as good as the Dakar riders would take me many years of training and much money. I applaud the current bikes on the showroom floor and am glad just to be able to ride what what I have.
I would consider it, my current bike is a CRF 230L
I'm in for option B as well! 👍️
You are a creative video master. Nice job.
A crf500l and crf500 rally would be the go,
I totally agree. in order to make the engine less labour intensive, I think they should do it with a twin cilinder 500 cc engine.
I would love it if Honda brought their big ADV scooter to America. I have 2 replacement hips, and currently ride a Silverwing scooter in the Woods. Not really much fun.
I think of it like this... you can only have two of the three... long service intervals, light weight or high-performance... and once you have picked that, you can only have two of these three... reliability, low price, good availability... now go! Build me a unicorn.
This would be the perfect bike…
I’m in line for mine, just waiting for it to show up.
I'd be happy with something like the honda 300 dual sport, but closer to the 360-400cc range and with a fully adjustable suspension to accommodate more people, and offered with in a lower seat height rally and regular non-rally edition. It would also need long maintenance intervals.
YES please
I have been waiting for this unicorn all my life, and then I got old waiting so I bought a BMW310 GS
I would totally buy one.
I need one of these. Make it happen!
💯% Option B 💯%
Softer and still capable👍.
Lighter makes righter. And simple electronics.
I ain't no professional.
Hello 👋 Honda! 🤷♂️
We got it boys, its called Kove.
Legendary bike if it were to materialise! I would definitely buy one for around the tenere cost. Please Honda! We are all waiting!