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I haven't ridden one of this model but my mental summary was the same as yours, having ridden many bikes over the years. I turned my KTM 300 into a dual sport and that's what I ride off-road plus the roads to/from and connecting trails. It cranks on the road too. Def not for hauling luggage nor pillion.
400cc !! That's the only thing this bike needs to be The Unicorn Everybody wants... ...and cruise control... Suspension could be better but let's be honest, it's the first thing to get modded after tires... Save the Doe $$$
Agree that it is not a bike that fits what you like. Disagree that it is a bad bike, it is just a bit unique, as you mentioned. I added Rally Raid suspension and some light luggage and it makes a great western states exploration bike where you pick a route that avoids traffic and high speed highways and optimize the route for interesting and forgotten twisty 2 lanes and dirt roads. That is where the best riding is anyway. It is ultimately reliable, very predictable and easy to get through difficult sections that bigger bikes struggle with, and it is very inexpensive to purchase, own, and travel on. The fairings provide great protection from cold and rain and the whole bike just chugs along through whatever happens without any drama. Of course, you should avoid freeways on a 300. Freeways and high speeds are not what this bike is about. Agree that it is not "exciting", except for the exciting destinations that it can take you. It has a place in the market and I am glad that Honda produced it and sells it for such a reasonable price. I see it as a value adventure lite motorcycle where the chosen route avoids high speed highways.
@@jkhsdjkhfjkhh3if it were a dirt bike, you’d have a point, but it’s an adventure bike based on a street bike. 80 is faster than I’ve ever taken an enduro bike, but struggling to hit that isn’t good for a bike that’s primarily configured for pavement.
@@martyn_g the CRF300L is a dual sport, so yes it has been set up to be better off road, but it’s based off a street bike platform. For an example of one that is based on a dirtbike, the CRF450RL is based on the CRF450X dirtbike.
You don't see the point? I find it hard to believe that you don't see the point-- It's an ultralight ADV that's simple (a positive to many people) and won't break the bank. That is a HUGE point, and it's a huge niche that the manufacturers still haven't quite understood. The 300 Rally fits into that category, but Honda could do better if they understood the simplicity and utility of the concept. The heavier, complicated and expensive ADV bikes will suffer off-road because they are too heavy and too complicated. The 300 Rally suffers on the freeways because it is underpowered. If Honda could take something like the 450 RL and turn it into a more reliable, smoother-operating, slightly less stressed, ultralight ADV with less bodywork, easier access to the mechanicals (battery access to the 300 Rally is a joke), and longer service intervals, then I think that would be very near to the sweet spot for this burgeoning market. I can take my 300 Rally into places that hardly anyone would take their 1200 GS, but I can still go anywhere that the 1200 GS can go, if a little bit more slowly. That's the point which you're not seeing. And you can buy two 300 Rallys, plus luggage, for the price of one 1200 GS.
This is it! If Honda released a 450-500cc bike with the same reliability and service intervals as the 300L/Rally, and it had 45-50 hp for comfortable highway speeds for larger riders, but a low seat for shorter riders, it would dominate the market with its dealer network and aftermarket accessories.
Honda tends to make global motorcycles and not motorcycles specifically for the US market. So this moto would work great in Asia, Latin America, ME/Africa and perhaps Europe where there are fewer highways and more tight roads. Most people around the world would use this bike as a commuter bike, 80% on roads and 20% on dirt, so having a softer compliant suspension would be desirable. Although some "roads" in developing countries are equivalent to what we call trails in the US. Honda understands that people in the US like to mod their bikes and have access to parts, so they provide a basic platform to do so. In other places, parts are sometimes harder to obtain, so a stock configuration is preferred. In countries where the price of gas is $4 to $6 a gallon, a more economical bike is desirable. Also, In the US, we might have a 2 or 3 car garage to store a moto, but around the world, a bike might be stored in a 1 car garage, carport, group parking garage or hallway, so a larger bike would be obtrusive. These are just my thoughts based on my travels around the world.
Also alot of people who commute, might do so 2 up, so thats another reason to upgrade the suspension, it shouldnt require an upgrade from the buyer. I suspect its super soft because with any upgrade, it would then be to tall for many. Y cant they just go back to the 2 shock set up like the XL series.
There needs to be a category of adventure/enduro bikes called "Useful not Thrilling". We all know they're there, like the KLR650, the Himalayan, the CB500X, and the CRF300L Rally. Bikes that are meant to go places and see things that are the thrill, rather than be the thrill itself. Some people eat really hot food because they enjoy the pain. Some people want to ride heavy bikes with far more horsepower than required at speeds they probably shouldn't go. Most of us are relaxed riders though and we're more interested in the reliable and useful bike that takes us anywhere without complaint as efficiently as possible. Yes, we are looking for the useful adventure motorcycle, not the thrilling (scary?) adventure motorcycle.
I actually respect that he said this bike was "utilitarian" in nature. That's actually an apt description and one of the best factors for a large chunk of riders out there.
I think your review was spot on, from a review perspective, and it's not for everyone. Firstly, your honesty and unbiased opinion is well put. You do a good job at being objective without being offensive or come off as too opinionated, and I appreciated that. However, as an owner of a 300l rally, I can say you might have missed a beat. Most folks don't own more that one or two bikes, so a do everything is going to be hard to find in a entry/mid tier offering. I'm pushing 300lbs fully loaded, so I feel your pain in the suspension and power realm. However, modifications and motorcycles go together like lamb and tuna fish (or perhaps you like spaghetti and meatball?) and finding a well rounded bike that can be tailored to a specific owners needs is a big win. I bought mine sight unseen, literally, never saw one before. But, I look at it like an SUV, of sorts, it does all the things most people look for in a jeep or a Tahoe. That's sort of its calling card, being not exactly good at any one thing, but capable of everything in some small ways, not unlike an SUV. For me, getting into a dual sport for a reasonable cost with the intentions of modifications for custom needs, I think it ticks a lot of boxes. Rear spring and shock, front springs, tusk bars and bags and tires and all sorts, racks, lights, power mods, all things that most folks enjoy the journey and the outcome, while still cruising town, quick trips to the shop, crawling a sand dune, crossing a country, wheelie practice, teaching a friend or spouse, low maintenance, rock solid reliability, and more. This is a swiss army knife, not a Benchmade. And I think that's important. Again, lights out review, nicely done. But I don't think you're the average buyer. You're the Ford Raptor buyer, amongst a sea of a shit load of exploders and expeditions by the millions. I think this bike is the jeep wrangler, in it's ability to be a fun, mostly practical application that needs customization to be unique. Even as an owner, I'd love to buy a bigger faster bike of course, but don't see a reason to ever sell the rally. Cheers brother, keep the good content coming!
I bought a very lightly used one last year and have had a great time with it. I'm now 71yo, weigh 75kg/165 lbs and hadn't owned a bike in 40 yrs. I mainly drive on gravel rds and secondary hwys. It's reliable. Not too heavy. Not expensive for insurance or to maintain. I've done a couple of trips on it from central Canada to the East Coast and also down to New England. 70mph/110kmph is fine for me. I've had enough adrenaline. So all in all its totally fine for me :)
Honestly, SOOO many better (and legal) ways to get adrenaline then speeding on a bike and pulling wheelies. I’m only a 24yo but that still seems very dumb, immature, and dangerous to me. Go on a roller coaster, go zipplining, bungee jumping, kart racing, etc.
@@robmcguckin7605 If you’re talking pure G force good roller coasters provide way more Gs than a bike can. For zip lines it depends, there’s ziplines that send ppl slinging +100mph over 10,000ft crevices.
I turned a used $4800 300L with 600 miles into a Rally. Zeta screen, YSS rear shock, 550 ECU, Seat Concept, Acerbis 3.7 tank... the works. It's a $7200 unicorn now. I am rural and 60. I don't need a bike to get on the freeway and am over the moto Napoleon syndrome.
I owned the 300l for a few months and I agree with pretty much all said here. But I will say, for very causal riders, or new riders, or older riders that just want a relaxing chilled ride over some interesting terrain, then the comically soft suspension actually is a then a good set up. If you don’t want to cover ground quickly and you are going over very chattery/bumpy ground the soft suspension glides over small bumps where “proper” off road suspension would shake a inexperienced rider around and give them a more stressful tiring experience. It really is ideal for riders that want to go at a slow relaxed pace, but still want to go over difficult terrain.
"Utilitarian" was a very accurate term for this bike. I weigh 160lbs, I just picked up a 300L non-rally because I need something that will be phenomenal on fuel consumption/mileage, comically low maintenance, gets me from A to B using mostly midwest country roads, minimal highways, and a fair bit of trails for fun. I could see suspension being an issue at some point, but I'll deal with that later if so. Bases on what you've said here, I'd say the 300L suits my needs just fine.
@@victoriazero8869 The 300L Rally has the exact same front fork as the 300L except for the Rally has a stiffer spring rate, so I do not know what you are talking about. The 250L Rally is a completely different front fork than the 250L and it IS a different feel. (You can look the parts up if you don't believe me. It may be different in other parts of the world, but in North America they use the exact same damper cartridge part #, but the Rally has a stiffer spring to compensate for the weight difference.)
@@ajseusa1488 Ah, my mistake then. I assume you're American? If yes, the CRF250L is entirely different bike than CRF300L. In Asia, however, the CRF250L use the same frame. Because in America, what known as CRF250L is 2017 model or older, while CRF300L is 2019 model and newer. In Asia, CRF250L also got updated in 2019. So I must have misremembered.
I'm 58yo, 220lb, average rider at best. Have ridden big bore dirt bikes, sport tourers, GS's etc. This bike is so far up my alley, it isn't funny. Have taken it some very gnarly fire trails (that may or may not have been closed to all traffic) with luggage and standard tyres. Bottomed it out once or twice but not to the point of it affecting the outcomes of the ride. Love that the power is not threatening, I can use it all without it scaring the shit out of me. Yes I will upgrade the tyres and suspension but I'm not in a rush. Love the fuel range, love the low maintenance angle, love how I get everywhere that 99 percent of other bikes get to and it cost me very little. If I was a gun rider thrashing it down single trails and getting stupid air,burying it in deep mud etc, I would certainly be looking for a different bike, but this is probably the best bike I will ever own
After 13 months, 1700 miles, and many upgrades later, the 300 Rally has been the perfect bike for me. I purchased the bike so that I would have something to tackle the Trans America Trail with, and its perfect for that, in my opinion. Also, I live where there are no freeways, just HWY’s and interstates, and I avoid the interstate if I can. If I can’t, it’s usually only for about 5-10 miles at a time. I just hate riding on the street anymore, and I avoid it as much as I can (lots of back roads). I’ve had too many close calls, and lost too many friends to motorcycle accidents, and they were all going way faster than they should have been. Which is a self control thing, I get that. Maybe I don’t have the self control that I should? I’m 51, and in my 20’s I had all the fast crotch rockets and I would take them to the quarter mile track on the weekends, only if I wasn’t racing my CR250 on the MX track. I’ve come to a place in my life where I’m content, and this bike just serves me well. With that being said, if the DRZ400 were to be updated, and they offered a Rally version, then I might consider selling my Rally... Also, if I rode motorcycles for a living, than just maybe things would be a little bit different, but I think that goes back to the self control thing.., No offense to you, I admire what you do, and I appreciate your content! Edit: I’ve dropped my bike 8-10 times, and with the lower crash bars that I installed, it doesn’t have one crack in it anywhere, it hardly has any noticeable scratches.
@@HypeRapEnjoyer Not really sure what your point is, my life doesn’t revolve around my motorcycles. However, one year and 1700 miles is a fair enough time and distance to make a decent assessment on the machine, which was the point of my comment. If you haven’t figured out what you got by then, your not paying attention to what you are riding. Furthermore, I feel the that the bike is good for 100k miles if maintained properly. Jeez...
Good review. I bought the 300L because I wanted a handy bike for around town and something I could explore tracks and dirt roads on. Yeah, the performance is not exciting but its okay for me at 180lb. At least I won't loose my licence. The maintenance is low, its economical and cheap to buy. Its easy to ride due to its weight and overall size. If you want to go fast, do hard core off road, or long highway miles there are definitely better options. But for me, as a one bike owner, it suits my needs.
@@wayward03The suspension is a weird thing to complain about because everyone replaces it anyways. Even on the bikes with “really good” suspension ppl still replace it. It’s probably better all around they keep it cheaper and let you get your own
A fair and accurate assessment I have a crf300 rally, I weigh 75kg and I've installed the Rally Raid level one suspension front and rear as well as fatbars, risers, metal skid plate, carry rack, tusk foot pegs barkbuster hand protection and handlebar end weights that have all made the bike more comfortable and practical. I bought the bike to suit a purpose as I travel long distances on back roads and traverse steep tracks with rough and loose surfaces. I've been riding for 48 years and have had many bikes. The crf300 rally is not perfect but fits the use case that I experience Speed safely
Hmm, I am over 60 years old, 178 pounds and fully enjoy my Rally riding in desert around Palm Springs. It serves me very comfortably up to 25mph that's actually speed limit on public trails as I know. I can lift it up myself riding solo thru desert and once I go farther with luggage I am ready to install K-tech suspension. I have inseam only 28", so I got lower Kouba link and low profile seat from Seat Concept. that lowered my bile about 3 1/2'. T-Rex stand took care of lowered high. I can't deny I bought it after watching Itchy Boots, even lost 30 lb to enjoy more my Rally. But since I bought riding it brought me a lot of happiness to my life.
You're right on everything you say. I have one and love it. I had the KTM350 exec-f, and it had a magical suspension, but when it was on the road it would shake at speeds over 50 mph, and in the corners it was just too tall and twitchy. My 300L is so buttery smooth that I feel like I'm on a Disney ride. Yes, the acceleration is not thrilling, but it's just so comfortable. With the stock tires I can corner this thing on pavement like it's a road bike. The slipper clutch is so fun. My KTM also had starting issues, and here in Alaska, there's not always someone to come get you if you can't start. One time I had to push start it, and lucky I was on a hill. This Honda starts if you just look at the starter button, and that adds to the experience for me.
It's just built for a different market. Latin America, South East Asia, in these parts of the world your average highway speed is way less due to traffic and road conditions. So power is not an issue. As for suspension, in example average male's weight in Indonesia is around 140 pounds. And while having soft suspension is not good for enduro trails, but it's perfect to soak up bad roads with potholes or unpaved roads in decent condition. Also the price - something like Tenere 700 or KTM 890 simply costs way too much for these markets.
I own the Honda CRF300L (not the Rally). The suspension went from super soft to phenomenal after upgrading it both front and rear (Rally Raid) for around $1,600. Now it is a phenomenal trail bike for me. When exploring single track trails and/or very rough terrain I don't need (or want) a large amount of power. I also own an Aprilia Tuareg 660 for longer distance ADV riding. Owning both of these bikes works well for me. I agree with everything that you said about the Honda. FYI, I bought the CRF300L largely based upon your review last year & suspension upgrade suggestion -- many thanks!
I think with this is comes down to price. It’s the entry level bike into the off road/ADV world. After 15 years of not riding I want back in and I find the price of new motorcycles to be outrageous. There are only a handful of motorcycles that are available for under $10k and even less that can handle some off road, and all will need some modifications especially when your my height and weight. If it wasn’t for this bike and a few others I would’ve just walked away from the idea of owning a motorcycle in 2023/24. If you can stretch the budged to $10k then the Transalp is the way to go. It’s an excellent bike that I truly wish I could afford.
I think your reviews are accurate based on the amount of different bikes you ride. That is a good thing. A perfect bike does not exist. I really think you do a very good job of listing the pros and cons of each bike and noting many of the exceptions to your judging. That's really important. Keep up the good work.
This is the classic apples to oranges thing. The CRF300L Rally was not designed to be the bike that can do the things you found it falling short of. I mean, would you review a Mini Cooper and comment that it just doesn't hold a whole family and be disappointed about it? The CRF300L Rally was not designed to be aggressive. It was not designed to be fast or powerful like your other bikes with easily twice (or more) the hp, gearing, suspension. What I think you are missing, good Sir, is that you tested/reviewed it expecting it to be different than was it was designed to be - or at least that's how your review came across to me, not that you went into it thinking that way....it just happened to turn out that way.
I don't disagree with you and your review and what you look for in a bike. However, my needs are quite a bit different. I like to go out and explore. Check out old country roads that may turn into dirt. I pack my camera, drone, rain gear, etc. and take off with no particular plan. My Rally takes me anywhere I need to go and then some. If someone needs to go 85 mph on the freeway, this is NOT the bike for you and I don't think the designers had that in mind. I like ambling along listening to the motor purr, stop and take a few photos, put the drone in the air, stare at the bike for a while, observe nature and let it take me away from it all.
@@larryvanputten4048 it doesn’t seem to cause him to pull any punches. Most motorcycle journalists wouldn’t even dare to say some of the negatives he will say outright. They are more interested in getting invites to the next press launch than helping you purchase your next bike. Rather pointless people to society when you think about it.
For the European market, this bike is simply unique. There is nothing else on its price and especially weight (well, there is the Voge, if you dig cinese clones). The Euro 5 limitations removed all other possibilities from the market. That's what makes it special in my opinion. It's cheap, even if you consider upgrading the suspensions, super reliable, lightweight, with most fuel range than everything else, with long maintenance intervals, with a real dual-sport frame and setup (tall, high ground clearance). Itchy Boots surely doesn't have the mass of a north american man, but she still rides with full luggage, and she goes literally everywhere.
I bought one for my 20YO son, re-sprung it, added tuner and pipe, took an inch out of the seat foam and downsized the front sprocket 1 tooth. I have a Tuareg 660. We ADV rode all over western NC and SC. We had a blast and kept trading off each bike. Here's the thing... it did put a smile on my face by flogging the crap out of it (5000 to 8000rpm) and not doing 80mph... instead maybe 50-60mph max. It is very flickable, surprisingly so, because of the low weight. It has a great sound (with added pipe) and is just a hooligan, especially coming off the 660 for twisties and back-roads (without the risk of too much speed and weight). Also, much easier than the 660 for tighter, slower rutted double-track (which you almost always encounter when exploring), again for the light weight and better ground clearance. It is not fast, and with the extra cash we spent, maybe there were better bikes, but we are having fun with it. It's really a great starter ADV bike to get my young son out there with me and that is why the bike is PRICE-LESS to me. Love your channel Ian! Keep up the excellent work.
I'm 71 and 5'7" and only 145 pounds so this bike would be perfect for me . Watching Itchy Boots ride this thing over some gnarly terrain all over the world is proof enough for me. I'm fortunate to own a Triumph Tiger 850 Sport which is in a different league. That's what I ride when I want some excitement.
I have the 250 Rally at now 108.000km - was weighing in over 115kg and am now down to 86kg - Reliability is great as mentioned and I can still run over train crossings at 50kph without bottoming out, when fellow riders on more street oriented rides are nearly thrown off the seat. Not doing US-style offroad, more going slow like Noraly when it gets rough on those rare moments.
Over 100k km! Holy cow! I've had my 250 Rally for exactly 3 years, this week, and use it almost every day and am just now coming up to 11,000 km. I'm over 130 kg and rode it on the stock suspension for almost two years before spending US$900 on upgrades (fork spring, and revalved and re-sprung the stock shock) which totally transformed the handling. With the $4200 I paid for it brand new, 0 km, on the road, that's still a cheap motorcycle. Everything else except the tyres is stock. My other bike is a BMW 1100 twin, so I know what torque and acceleration are, but I find the power on the 250 just fine. The speed limit in this country is 100 km/h, so cruising at 110 with a bit left for overtaking is no problem. The fuel economy is outstanding. I don't get much chance to do serious off-road riding. I do a LOT of gravel roads, often poorly maintained -- washboard, potholes, rain ruts. Sometimes a beach -- did 65 km along one. Farm tracks. Paddocks. The excitement is in the places I go, not in trying to get there 10 seconds faster than someone else. One of the best bikes I've ever owned and I've owned a few -- including an XR600 for a decade. A fun beast off-road, a tiring pig on the highway even when I was 30 years younger than now.
I an that video is the essence why you are the best tester on youtube. You call it as you see it, no bullshit and every detail explained, no company shill stuff, just straight up. Thanks for being you.
You are without a doubt, the most unbiased motorcycle journalist on the interwebs. I enjoyed watching this review and appreciate the balance you present. This might be a bike for me under certain circumstances, but I would probably want something with a little "more."
Good review, I can’t disagree with the points you make. I have had my Rally for two years now, and still love it. I also have an R1250GS. I weigh 165lbs. And am at the stage in my life where I am not looking for enduro fun, but rather to explore interesting places. The GS is a serious bike. At 600lbs you need to pay attention when you stop, park, or do any tricky maneuver. A tall 600lb bike does not tolerate fools. However it is a great bike for covering huge miles. The Rally is the opposite: fun, light, and carefree. A light clutch and a seamless transmission. Modern electronics. Great gas mileage. Decent wind protection. Lots of fun on a backroad. A reliable but uninspiring engine. It is a blast to ride on the paved and gravel mountain roads of Western North Carolina. As you said, there is nothing like it, you just need to decide if it’s unique qualities suit you.
Ian, you finally got it with that first "pro" that you thought of at the last minute, but after 6 months of having the bike: dual sport/adventure. I've ridden my 300 Rally on multiple interstate rides (USA) on freeways to BDRs and quite enjoy it. My stable is going down to this one bike now. I can sustain 80mph on the freeway fully loaded when needed, and then ride dirt/trails. It's not perfect for either end of the spectrum, but it's the best compromise I've found.
Fair review. As someone who owns a GS 1250 and put 6K miles on an early 300L I think it all comes down to experience and perspective. The Honda is inexpensive, lightweight, dependable and won’t get you in trouble exploring solo. The Honda price per value is extremely fair in today’s market. I did do a 1000 trip on it all over western NC and had a blast. For newer riders, or someone looking for a blank canvas to customize, or people who want something simple to get around I think it’s a homerun.
Good review. At the end of the day, it's about knowing what you want from a bike and having realistic expectations for it. The 300L Rally can certainly do most anything you want it to. In the last month, I went from a Triumph Tiger 800xc, to the 2022 CRF 300L Rally and I have ZERO regrets. I'm having so much more fun on the Rally and will be keeping it mostly stock for the time being. I'm 6'3, 170 LBS and yes the suspension is very soft, but for bombing around the city, fire roads, country roads, I find it to be an amazing bike and very comfortable
I have a 250l parked next to my gsa 1200 Lc and I wouldn’t prefer anything else. I parted ways with a a WR and 500excf to make room for it. I bought it used with suspension already upgraded. Just yesterday I was coming down mountains in the smokies and guys on sport tourers that looked the part could not keep up. It’s a gem in the twisties. I just fits me and my riding style. I can ride it all day. The 500 was a wild animal but not all day comfortable like my 250l. When I want power I get on my gs. It’s nice having bikes at either end of the spectrum that are really good all rounders for their arena of riding.
As someone who avoids interstates and finds themselves lost on dirt roads that turn into no roads. I'm the target audience for this bike. I do agree about the suspension though. It definitely needed an upgrade.
It's a Honda (extreme reliability), it's lightweight for solo riding, it will ride all day at 65 and that's as fast as I want to go on a bike this light, suspension mods available that will make it a capable off road bike, clearance that will take it over every pass in Colorado and range to do the TAT. I agree with everything you said and am even more convinced it's the bike for me. Now if there was just a way to attach my ego...
Thank You for such a good review of this bike, I am 76 years old ridden many different bikes all so very great in their ways I decided to get one because as a geezer biker the ups and downs of this bike are so perfect to me as to what I need in this stage of life no one has said to date that as a single cylinder it runs like a sewing machine and that it does.
I'm 58 and returning to biking after a 20 year break. I love the look of this bike and want something light, upright with off road capability, reliable, tall (I'm 6'2) and good range. However every review I've seen (about15) mention the rear shock being inadequate and they can't all be wrong, the power of 27hp also concerns me and I don't believe you can do much to improve it. I also weigh 200 pounds so would certainly have to pay around $800 to upgrade the suspension which is ridiculous on a brand new bike.
Clear, concise and unvarnished truth - review couldn't be better. Not being an experienced rider or adrenaline junkie I appreciate the reliability, practicality (and aesthetics) of this bike and completely agree that how you use it - individual requirements, are paramount. Don't think there is a unicorn - every bike is a compromise.
I think you are spot on. I have a KLX300, I bought it over the Honda 300 offerings due to the suspension. But power wise neither are anything to write home about.
I just put a deposit down on this bike. It’s supposed to be here mid April and I couldn’t be more excited! I have done a lot of research into my choice over the past couple of years. You definitely make some great points and concerns. For me personally though I feel like it will be the best bike for me. I am a new rider. 33 5’7 and 150 pounds a 30 inseam. I have no experience on a motorcycle other than the initial 2 day motorcycle training course I took. For me I feel like the bike is going to expose me to a lot of different things and be a great introduction into the world of dual sport/adventure riding. I am going to try out stock for a bit until I get more experience. I will most likely get a Rally Raid level 1, seat concepts slim seat, an ejk, exhaust. A few protective things as well but hope to keep the bike light weight. I definitely am excited to explore out there. This channel, dork in the road, itchy boots, jake the garden snake, and a few other video bloggers were definitely a big part of why I went with this bike as my first. Thanks for all the great content out there! Appreciate it!
Great honest series! I started riding at 10 yrs old and raced motocross for 6 years. I've owned all types of bikes from RZ350's to Suzuki Burgman 650 and the last bike before purchasing my 300 Rally was a 2014 Goldwing. I am 61 years old. I notice your camper in the driveway and I too have a camper I love. The 300 rally can fit into the back of the pickup with the camper hooked up. This allows me to explore places even more on a relaxed ride. If I dump it , I can pick it up. The horse power is friendly and won't get me into trouble. It will wheelie if I try hard. I still use this a commuter to work on a major highway here in Canada and I totally agree with your evaluation. It will do it, but you are pushing it and I would like a little more (maybe the KTM 390 or the new 2024 Honda NX500). Loving your videos...thanks
I think that you nailed it concerning the review. I own a 300 Rally and I had bigger bikes. But I used my Rally on back and dirt road mostly on my own. So I do need something light, light enough to be picked-up with one arm...just in case. Although it lacks power, it can travel at 110kms per hour and that is ok with me. I intend to take it to Africa, probably Morocco (love that country), and having crossed the Sahara desert a long time ago, I wouldn't take any bike with electronics. When you are somewhere with no living soul for the next 300, 400 or more miles, you want an easy, simple and robust bike. The rest, you accomodate with it. As they used to say in Africa, you have the watch, we have the time. Please give it a thought. Ride safe
Ian, you are spot on describing who this bike is for. I’m 56yo, 5’6 165lbs. Own a MG V7 and looking for something to take through the light Pine trails along with some road riding. I’m Not a speed demon, need reliability and lighter weight. Over analyzed most in this class and keep coming back to this one. Going to pull the trigger soon. Thx for the review.
You hit the nail on the head Ian with the overall review. I feel a lot of it comes down to where geographically we live, how wide our wallets can be opened and personal choices in general define which motorcycle can work best for us at that certain time. We are in time in the world where if our opinions on any topic arent embraced by all, it turns to anger for most. You did the Honda justice and provided an absolutely unbiased truthful review knowing you were entering the "hot zone." I keep up with many of today's top motorcycle channels on TH-cam and there's a reason yours gains subscribers faster than anyone else currently. Ride safe.
I agree it was a great review- but very USA focused I feel. Most places in the world 100 -110kmh is about the max allowed (60-70mph) and if you are on an adventure trip, why do 140 kmh? Do the suspension and it is an awesome bike fit it’s intended role. 🎉
This bike review is great, but gaining subscribers faster than anyone else? Itchy Boots has 1,600,000 subs compared to 166,000 on this channel. That is ten times the growth. But, she has made many changes to her 300 Rally along the way, including a complete re-build last fall which included many upgrades.
To recap'; a light and easy to handle bike, good wind protection, very reliable, long service intervals, fuel efficient, uncomplicated by gadgetry, not overpowered and good for exploration. Sounds exactly like the bike for riders to travel very far in foreign lands on unknown roads and rough tracks, and make it home in one piece again. No wonder Honda can't keep up with the demand.
Had Rally3 for more than a year now, most of it being city driving, low speeds tight roads and filtering. Main pros are that its very thin for filtering and moving thru tight gaps in traffic and going thru tight building complexes for a hidden parking spots (this constitutes for light offroading :D ), good gas economy and it looks very unique. All in all, its an economic and agile city bike with good ground clearence for tucked away places to park in. And you look cool.
I enjoy just cruising down trails, not trying to go fast at all (15-30mph). I initially bought an Africa twin since i do alot more road riding than offroad. Loved the bike on road but when i took it off road, thats when problem started to surface. Being 5'6" and weighing only 130lbs, the bike was pretty much unusable for me (maybe a more skilled rider would be fine but im not that guy). After about a year, I sold it and bought a TW200. I absolutely loved that bike off road, low seat hight and a big balloon tire made it easy for a casual rider like myself to tackle more difficult stuff that i normally wouldnt attempt. The obvious problem that bike faced was it was way too slow for road riding with a comfortable cruising speed of around 50mph. After going back and forth, I finally settled on the CRF Rally. Light and perfectly capable on the trail for my riding style, and can comfortably cruise at 65-70mph all day. Alot of people complain about the suspension, but as previously stated, i only weigh 130lbs, so i found the suspension ridiculously plush and comfy both on and off road. Needless to say this is my "unicorn" bike, being able to do everything i like perfectly.
As an experienced street rider but a newer off-road rider, I find it extremely forgiving and usable for solo adventure travel. It's far from perfect, but as you said there actually isn't much else in the category. I wanted reliability, fuel range, long maintenance intervals, something I could pick up easily, wind protection, and something that I could ride all day in mixed conditions and challenge myself off road without getting into too much trouble, and ride a few hundred miles on tarmac to get home. There literally is nothing else. (T7 too heavy/tall/intimidating, 690 too tall/unclear if aftermarket windscreens + lowering etc would leave me with what I wanted, DR650/DRZ400S carbureted and no wind protection, KLR too heavy, etc.)
Incredible full review series on the 300 Rally. Just picked mine up this week, suspension upgraded - there's just no way around it. Going from an 1150GSA to this for light weight, secondary road travel, and east coast BDR's & TAT. Skipping around town this thing is a BLAST! It's just so easy to ride, to the gym, the office, and just out and about. It's simply just a FUN machine. It's also a great setup for my teenage son to learn to ride, easy, and won't get too far away from him. This will be in my garage forever - future purchases do include based on your reviews, the Aprilia Tuareg 600, and a R1250RT for long distances. I'll never sell the GSA and now the Rally. Please keep up the amazing unbiased reviews.
Great review. I have one on order and I still can't wait to get it. I think the only point you were missing was that this bike can do almost everything, but nothing great. If you could only have one bike, this is the one I'm getting because of its versatility and reliability. I own 4 motorcycles now covering all types of riding, I'm selling all of them and just getting one. And that's the Crf300 rally. But I will be changing the rear suspension for sure. Thanks for the honest review.
You've nailed the common flaw with moto journo bike reviews. They always have access to a better bike, and they never met an extra 30hp they didn't like. This is a great review, though.
Your review is spot on. This is how I feel about my KLR650 now that I have more powerful adventure bikes and dual sports. Just don’t have the heart to part ways with her. She’s a good ol girl.
Noraly (itchy Boots) has also extensively modified the suspension on her bike - she now has the full Rally Raid package, plus even some upgrades and tuning on top of that after her trip to Alaska to accomodate the luggage she is carrying. Her bike is now a pretty competent off road adventure bike, but was not so before it was modified.
I think the problem with that is modifying the suspension to that degree puts the bike in The same price range as a stock CRF 450L. So at that point why wouldn't you just buy one of those and get much better suspension stock along with a lot more power? Then just add a windscreen and you'd have a much more powerful and capable bike at the same price range.
@@stevezatrine7305 yup, I agree. I have been thinking of downsizing from my BMW GS650 (actully the 800cc twin version) to get a lighter bike for more casual poking about on county roads and trails, that I can more easily lift in the evernt of a getoff or tipover. But the Rally version is pricey enought to begin with, compared with its non-rally stablemate. Then as you say the price is hard to justify if you then have to start upgrading components. Easier I think to just start with the basic dual purpose 300 as a bike in this displacement category, and then add only the items that you actually need.
@@stevezatrine7305 because Honda specify a full engine rebuild at 20k miles. I know the extremely short intervals can be taken with a pinch of salt, but the 450l will undoubtedly require more maintenance than the 300. If you're prepared to do the maintenance necessary to run the 450, why not just buy an EXC500 which is 30kg lighter, more powerful and generally more capable, with the same maintenance interval (and impressive reliability)? The 300 and 450l occupy different purposes in the market and regardless of how you modify them will always express particular strengths and weaknesses. If you're going to ride across Siberia, or the length of Africa, the 300l is undoubtedly the better choice. If your trips vary from overnight to two week runs, and so fun if more important than fuel economy, comfort and reliability, buy the 450l. Just my two cents ✌️
@@nyedavis922 to me it's very disappointing that a major manufacturer such as Honda would produce a bike with such a soft suspension that literally 95% of all potential buyers would find it inadequate and not usable. This forces their customers to have to spend like two grand on suspension mods to make the bike work properly. If you add two grand to the purchase price are you really getting good value for your money? This makes the customers have the conversation of well if I have to do that then I might as well buy this and if I buy this then I'm on as well buy that. It's really just not excusable that they blew it that bad on the suspension. Sprung for a 100 lb rider? Give me a break. Someone that light is probably not tall enough to then be able to touch the ground on it. So it's literally set up for almost no one.
@@stevezatrine7305 hey man I totally agree. A number of modern Honda's I've experienced have had some significant shortcomings. The suspension is inexcusably terrible on the 300. My WR250R has okay suspension from the factory, it's not great and is a little underdamped on the rear, but is serviceable and safe. The stock suspension on my 350EXC-f is brilliant, no complaints about it. Why Honda couldn't just add £500 to the list price and fit decent suspension is beyond me (and ergonomics that suit someone taller than 3'8")
My Rally 250 has 118,000km and still pulls 83mph bolt upright. All day 60mph riding. Ejk and standard pipe work just fine. Recommended. It's one of the smallest bikes I've ever owned, but one of the best. ❤Still running original piston and rings to boot. Frequent oil changes pay dividends.
I appreciate your honesty! I'm retired and ride a tuned SuperTenere but want a second bike to haul on a hitch carrier for exploring backroads when traveling. My cardiologist strongly suggests no adrenaline. This bike seems near perfect for my needs after suspension modification.
I am a CRF300L Rally owner since 2021. Love this little bike. Does it have limitations, sure. But they are not hard to live with. I weigh 190lbs without my gear on. Yes the suspension is soft. On the street, I love the plushness. Can’t feel bumps or potholes much at all. My other bike is a CBR1000RR so I know what a stiff suspension feels like. I can see the CRF’s suspension being a problem if you plan on riding very aggressively off road. But for me, I’ve been on lots of off road trails and it has worked fine. When I was a kid, I learnt how to ride on a CB125S off road with a completely shot suspension so this is like a Cadillac. 😁 Even if I get it to bottom once in a while (not often) it’s fine. I don’t ride agressive off road. I just enjoy the ride. If it gets really rough, I adjust. Very fine motorcycle. You are right, if you’re looking for top notch performance and jumping and competing, get a $15K bike. If you want the most versatile bike out there, get a CRF. P.S. You ask what you are missing? Why other people are buying this bike? The answer is you’re looking at bikes for the pure adrenaline rush of riding as agressively as possible. Pushing yourself to the limit of your capabilities on a motorcycle off road (I assume off road since I don’t see anything capable of spirited riding on the street in your garage). And I get it, the speed, the power, the handling… it’s all great.!! I know, when I ride my CBR1000RR in the canyons, that’s what I like too. But that’s not why I bought the RALLY. It’s my go the the grocery store bike. It’s my moto camping ⛺️ bike. It’s my hit some logging road bike and take it easy. Bring a chair and go sit by a lake bike. Give it a try. Step away from the razors edge for a minute. You’ll get it.! 😃 Don’t try to make a race bike out of a CRF300L RALLY and you will understand why people buy it. Cheers mate.
I've upgraded almost everything on my 300L. With a yosimura exhaust and dna air filter mine will do 85mph on the roads but if you want to go fast on the roads then use a road bike. Best upgrade for adventuring apart from the suspension is the 14L acerbis fuel tank which doubles the range. It's an amazing bike once you spend a good few grand on upgrades.
I really like my 300l for local trips. Have other faster bikes but find I’m always reaching for it because of ease of grabbing out of garage and fuel economy. It’s also great for mounting it to camper. Good review though and agree for most part. I couldn’t imagine selling my 300. thank you
Use my 300l exactly the same way. I ride more overall because of it and even if to run some errands, getting on a bike often is a big win in my book. Heck, I'm jealous of my friends CT125 trail. So easy going...
I agree 100%. To me the Honda feels like Crap. And it feels like honda is charging the consumer too much money for crap. I have a love of small bore dual sports. Having put Hundreds of thousands of km on an XL350R, Drz400, wr250r and an xt250. The Crf300l i picked up definitely felt the worst stock, The power band is odd, it is ok till 8400 then it abruptly dies off. loosing 15 hp by 9500 rpm The suspension isnt dampened at all. The brakes on the L model are terrible. I did keep the crf300l, I slowly fixed all the problems. I added the cbr300r cams and intake tube and a tune from 550 performance. I added a full rally raid suspension set up. I purchased new wheels from woodies wheel works as mine warped at around 1000km With all these mods it now feels ok. About as much fun as a stock wr250r or drz400. But it is crazy that so much needs to be fixed to make the bike ok. Who is this bike for? Its for shorter riders looking for a lighter brd adventure bike. Rally Riad makes a level 1 suspension kit that takes 2 inches of travel out of the bike and preforms wonderfully. With that kit the Honda makes alot of sense for riders that are 5'6 and shorter. I actually really enjoy the CBR300R parts in the motor and wish Honda would have put the real CBR 300R motor in the Crf450 Chassis. That to me would have been a better more fun trail bike. Thanks for being so honnest. The crf300l and crf300 rally are the bikes most often sold with less then 1000km on them. To many youtubers talked them up and were not honnest about how its not an amazing unicorn bike... its just another underpowered under suspended dual sport.
Great review Ian. I agree completely. I purchased the CRF450RL to overcome the shortcomings of the 300L. Installed the GET ECU from TacoMoto and it’s an absolute ripper. And even with the cost of the ECU I’m still $2000 less than a new 500 ECX-F plus Honda reliability.
You made a great choice don't get me wrong. But I have to comment on the KTM reliability myth. We have a 2017 husky FE501 with 200hours on it, and it's never needed more than an oil change. Valve check at 100hrs was perfect. So I picked up 2022 500excf, I'm at 100hrs and it's amazing, reliable and doesn't need quartely valve checks . The bike is NOT unreliable and I don't know why people think that. It's actually a tank.
@@awatts222 Awesome. I’ve ridden the 500 EXC-F and they’re great bikes for sure. Glad it’s working out for you. The engine vibes coming from the KTM were a deal breaker for me.
Definitely get that for sure. Like it's been said, the 500 engine feels like it's a washing machine with dishes in it Hahah but for context I did trade my 300l rally in for it, and it feels that it MAY actually be equally as reliable. Here's hoping. The 450 Honda definitely does give you that Honda reliability peace of mind though. Happy trails!
Jerry, how is the 450 holding up to a luggage load? I'm fond of the Husky's because of my 350, but the vibration on the 500 is hard to swallow for any road time.
I am considering getting a dual sport just for some fun and a full adventure bike for longer trip and was considering this as an option. All your conclusions make perfect sense and this would really just be a worse competitor to my actual ADV bike without doing the stuff I want it to. Great video, saved me from a misguided purchase
I don’t buy a bike just for reliability. The lack,of power is a worry on the open road. For advanced riders looking for low weight, a modified KTM 500 is the way to go.
If you're like me and work more often than not and mostly fantasize about doing serious adventures but in reality you may only hit the utility road near the house, run to the gym, grocery store and take it to the nearby recreational area with the kiddos and wife...THIS BIKE IS PERFECT. If you're a serious adventure guy it's not gonna work. My .02 after owning one for a year.. It's absolutely perfect for me and I love it and will never ever ever sell it
Decent review, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents; I'm about 200 lbs and 6'3", but after taking most/all of the rear suspension preload out of the spring I have to say the suspension felt great on AND offroad. I've ridden the CRF300 on a pretty broad range of trails and roads and this minor adjustment to the rear shock may be all most people need to dial this bike in. 👍
I always read your comment from people who so clearly only putter down basic trails. I'm 6 ft and 200 lb and the stock suspension is horrible off-road at any skill level. It's a pogo stick in the rear with uncontrolled rebound causing awful backlash from literally any manuever. The front end's constant diving under mere braking and then same uncontrolled rebound is equally detrimental to terrain progress AND riding skills development. Nobody, especially a beginner, should learn to ride on such a piss poor suspension. The rear is so soft it feels like it's washing out from under you on the road in any leaned turns from a stop. It's so soft I have audibly heard the rear tire hopping off the pavement numerous times and loss of traction for no apparent reason off-road is common. Cranking out the preload does nothing to change any of that.
Enjoy your reviews, even though I’m not (yet?) into hardcore off-roading. Please don’t pander to the snowflakes who jump at every opportunity to be personally offended by your opinions😊🤦♂️
You basically came to the same conclusion i did about the 300l rally and why i decided to avoid them. Nice bike but not for me. Unfortunately some people get emotional about this bike for some reason.
Great review… perfectly on point. All of your cons are pros for me. The review actually confirms what I’m hoping for. My husband and I are picking up our Rally’s next week (after a year of waiting). We’re adding these bikes to our current barn of two Yamaha TW200s. We’ll keep the TWs for mountain goating and plan to use the Rally’s for the plethora of forest service roads that we have in the Pacific Northwest. As a 40-something woman rider, I definitely don’t need adrenaline anymore and much prefer riding for the scenery. With an understanding husband who rides behind me (he’s much more experienced and would blow me away if he were in front), it seems like a perfect bike for him too. Anyway, just wanna say thanks for a great review… very fair and on point. And since we do plan to modify the suspension, this seems to meet all of our needs.
I like your honest take on this. Concerning adventuring, it sure would get you there (no matter where) but I think it depends on how you want to make the journey. I think there are better commuter vehicles like a versys if you want an example. Please do enjoy this bike if you have it!
I am the guy you described who would like the Rally. It has been touring the back roads of Europe and I will be back next week to do more before I ship it home to Colorado. I also have a 790 which clearly does different things. If I had to choose I might keep the Rally.
I can definitely agree with your points, but I think your biggest limitation is having to stay close to stock. After new tires, suspension, ecu, and exhaust upgrades, I’ve found it’s a completely different bike with more capability and a blast to ride.
Well yeah, swapping out most of those core components will completely change a bike. At that point I’ll just get a more expensive bike where I won’t HAVE to swap out all of those. Modifying is fun but it’s a lot less fun when it’s a requirement.
You present your findings clearly and impartially. The significant difference is, as you accurately pointed out, that of experience. For the more reserved and cautious rider this bike is ideal. For the skilled rider, it's shortcomings are quickly apparant. Thanks Ian for making that point concisely.
Great review, I appreciate your honesty. Some of the other Pro's in my opinion are: - Cost, the retail price of this bike is lower than any other adventure bike. and even when you factor in the mods you need, it's still a cheap bike. - Confidence inspiring: Because of it's low weight it's easier for people to take off road. - Do it all bike: If you can only afford one bike and want to do everything from highway to single track, this bike can do it. As you say, it's not for everyone, especially if power is what you're after. I can still wheelie and have fun on mine but I am happy to forgo more power to enjoy all the other Pro's of this bike. Sean
Noraly dragged Alaska out of the deep sticky jungle mud in Guatemala, twice in the same day, and still published two of her best videos. Sometimes light weight is the only thing that brings you home. S6-E71-72 🙂👍👍
Bought mine, knowing that I would be upgrading the suspension. But I don’t want to ride on the interstate. Plenty of roads that keep this bike in its sweet spot. I don’t enjoy riding with Semi-trucks at 80mph. I want to go places and see things without limitations and this bike offers that without the extra 100lbs.
The DR650 is only 22lb heavier has 22 more horsepower and similar dimensions. Can be lowered 20mm by reconfiguring stock suspension (still may need better internals). And you can probably buy one today for half the price of a KTM.
the down side to the dr650 is the fuel economy. You would need the giant safari tank to be at the crf300 rally range.... and with the safari tank you have lost your 22lb weight compairason
People discount the versatility of the old school 650’s. I had a modded wr250r for a while, which had the same kind of hype as the 300 Honda. The lack of power made it a big no- go for me. A well set up DR (or XR) is a much more versatile bike. But, all bikes are cool. Ride what you like.
This has been a great review series. Thanks for being a real "journalist", and not a shill or antagonist. I thought about this bike, and could see it being a good first street bike for a young person. It isn't intimidating, it isn't high powered. It can be legally ridden with a learner's permit. It is tall with an upright seating position to aid in visibility. And it probably won't get stolen, when the key is left in the ignition. 👍
But this bike doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are plenty of bikes that do all the same things, in the same price bracket, better. The anemic engine is a joke, and the suspension requires immediate investment because it's basically useless.
@@WheatMillington What bikes? Everything I think of has some disadvantage I'm not willing to live with. Heavier, or less reliable, or high maintenance, or worse on fuel consumption, or less comfortable on the road, or (blasphemy!) too much power. The CRF has clear disadvantages too, but no showstoppers for me personally. Pretty much every other bike has at least one showstopper.
Thanks for your always great sincere reviews! I think what you are missing is that for many people there is great enjoyment in a machine that is not centered around large heavy profiles with higher performance engines that encourage or thrive on spinning the tire or pulling wheelies. Some (many) riders love the easy going nature of a mildly tuned smaller displacement engine that thrives on slower paced relaxed riding and exploring where the experience is centered more on the exploring than the motorcycle itself or the adrenaline rush it creates. I love my cb500x so much that I sold my hayabusa and big bandits, will be selling my MT09sp and am picking up my CRF 300 Rally in 2 days so now at 63 yrs old I will have two little laid back Hondas.
I was about to buy this bike late last year but when you had that review that showed it had problems on any incline on the freeway, I decided to go for the DRZ400s. I also knew that it would not excite me riding it, AND I'd have to change the suspension. So far, I love the DRZ. It's not broken in yet but has enough power to be fun and exciting. Plus, I'm doing the jd Jet kit mod. I rode my DRZ at 7,500 feet to 2,000 feet and had no problem with it being a carb. The reliability of my DRZ is phenomenal and I feel like it's the most reliable, tough vehicle I have ever owned. A 70 mph wind blew it over and the handlebars didnt even bend.
The DRZ is such a great and capable bike for what is a 20+ year old design. It still cuts the mustard and I would have one over the CRF300 all day long.. We haven't been able to buy DRZ400 in the UK since 2008 because of the Euro emissions bullshit and are left with very few around nowadays and most are pretty beat up... Great bike
The Drz definitly has a higher build quality. The narrow gear box was a pain. I switched from a drz to a wr250r after 57.000km on my drz. For me and my riding i loved the wr250r even more then the Drz
THANK YOU for mentioning the ridiculously soft suspension! It really is dangerous the way it comes from the factory, especially being marketed towards newer riders that may not have the knowledge base. GREAT REVIEW.
I can agree with you, Ian. I purchased a Rally 250 maybe 2 years ago, and it was my first experience riding in the dirt. After 5 or 6 months, I traded it in on a 2021 Africa Twin. Although I loved the Rally for the looks, purchase price, and ease of maintenance, I started having similar feelings that you described. I didn't have enough to keep up on the Texas roadways, and It was too heavy to ride single track and have a good time. Now I'm a heavy rider, I replaced the front and rear suspension, and I kept the old girl pinned and never had to worry about reliability because it was a Honda, but I knew it was time for something else. I loved my Rally, but now with a KTM 500 dual sport and a GS in the garage, I know without a doubt I will have fun doin the riding I want to do. Great review, Ian, and thanks for creating content for us.
As always, your reviews are honest and to the point. I love them because you separate your personal point of view from the journalistic one. Thank you.
I have a 2022 300 Rally, a 2020 Africa Twin AS and a 2019 Monkey 125. Each bike used in different situations. Weighting 220 pounds, never bottomed out on the 300 Rally.
I don't know that you are "missing" anything in your review, I believe there are a lot of riders out there like myself (CRF300L) who have either just gotten back into riding after long layoff, or perhaps new riders that are looking for a bike they are confident in handling. I ride mine off road probably 30% of it's miles, and tackle BDR routes, etc. No interest in highways on this bike for sure, but knew that going into it. I think that after a few seasons, some riders will definitely "outgrow" it and look to move up in capability.
Great review. I just bought a 2023 Suzuki DRZ400S. I rejected the Honda for all the reasons you mentioned (I'm a big guy), and the DRZ has a way better power to weight ratio, good stock suspension, and it's fun! (The stock seat, however, was almost certainly designed by Satan)
Maybe the difference between BRM and CRF300L fans is a matter of money. Ian gets free bikes from the manufacturers, and since his TH-cam channel is his business, he can justify buying Aprilias, KTMs, and other pricey metal every year. I other words he's spoiled. :) Lucky guy! I have a drastically lower budget, including a space budget in my garage. With no place to store a trailer, I want a bike that I can ride to trails, and that's cheap to operate. I can't spend my way out of the compromise that is the CRF300L. I'm in a market segment that's not so interesting (profitable) in the USA, and I'm glad that Honda supplies it.
Great review as always. I think something Honda really needs to improve on 95% of their bikes is character (both design and engine). Often their bikes are refined to the point of being boring. I had 2 Africa Twins, and those were the exception (more so with an aftermarket exhaust), they were torquy, sounded great, pure hooligan bikes. Most other hondas I've ever tried, were so smooth, they felt like electric bikes (without the EV torque).
@@StoltHD Do they still make those? I know they don't but let's keep it about the models Honda is currently making, which I guess was the point OP is making 😆
@@_Makanko_ - I responded to your statement; "Most other hondas I've ever tried, were so smooth", not the topic of the video. Just wondered if you actually had tried some of Hondas "real" bikes... Nothing "smooth" or boring about the CRF450L either... Just saying that Honda have some "not so boring bikes", even though I wished they could release a new street legal XL600R/XR650R or a fuel injection XR650/NX650
One of the most fun Honda's I ever had was a XR650R which had a DOT lighting kit added and was plated for street use. That was not a boring Honda at all but loads of fun both on the street and the trail, that was the definition of a Hooligan bike!
@@billwiley7216 - yeh, I wrote wrong, it was the XR I ment... I never got the chance of trying it (not many of them in Norway), but I really want to get my hand on one... or one of the early Transalps...
Im at 8,200 miles that are mostly daily/commuting miles. I have Rally Raid Level II suspension, CBR300 cams, intake mods, exhaust and tune. Holds 80mph just fine on hills and top speed is 92mph (GPS) but thats really wrapping the bike out. Its an amazing little machine now. I can rip around on single track and ride it all the way home. Wouldn't hesitate to ride it across the country. For the amount of money I dumped into it I could have gotten a used Africa Twin or a higher end bike, but I love the low maintenance and riding a slow bike fast.
Good stuff as usual. I'm still on a Rally waitlist, despite the fact that a KTM dealer gave me an offer on a brand new 2022 Adv 390 that made it cheaper than the rally. I just didn't want to deal with the iffy quality there and knowing the nearest dealer to me would be a 3 hour drive away. I'll have the Honda guys 10 min away. As a returning geezer who wants something light that can handle back roads, gravel, and moderate double and single track, plus enough range to not have to worry about 150m stretches of boonies, there's not much else to choose from. Not interested in thrills of speed and jumping, so that helps. Everyone says the suspension's awful, but I have also seen much heavier riders use them stock and say "meh, it's OK." I sat on an unmodded 250 rally at a dealership a few weeks ago and it didn't sag more than about 2-3 inches (I go
Awesome video! Growing up, I wanted a rally/250l. Seriously, I was in middle school dreaming of buying one and watching reviews... At 23 years old, I began seriously shopping bikes and found out how small these bikes are. At 245ish lbs and 6-2, this bike felt like a bicycle when I sat on it. I had to move up to the KLR 650 for my first bike.
When Itchy boots road through the U.S on her Patagonia to Alaska tour she didn’t ride very much Interstate. Most US consumers will eventually ride Interstate and realise quickly where this bike belongs.
I have this very bike and love it because I am in the crowd you described. I think you got it all write about this bike. I am almost 72 years old and weigh 158 lb and have traveled on and off the Highway and it has worked just fine for me. I traveled 200 miles at a time on a mix of freeway and two lane highways with a full load of camping gear and the bike held a steady speed of 65 mph and got between 65 and70 mpg. I have a new shock and fork spring waiting to be installed because you are exactly correct about the suspension it is way to soft. Thank you Ian for such good and fair reviews on what ever bike you are reviewing.
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Agree...it's a turd
I haven't ridden one of this model but my mental summary was the same as yours, having ridden many bikes over the years.
I turned my KTM 300 into a dual sport and that's what I ride off-road plus the roads to/from and connecting trails. It cranks on the road too. Def not for hauling luggage nor pillion.
400cc !!
That's the only thing this bike needs to be The Unicorn Everybody wants...
...and cruise control... Suspension could be better but let's be honest, it's the first thing to get modded after tires... Save the Doe $$$
Agree that it is not a bike that fits what you like. Disagree that it is a bad bike, it is just a bit unique, as you mentioned. I added Rally Raid suspension and some light luggage and it makes a great western states exploration bike where you pick a route that avoids traffic and high speed highways and optimize the route for interesting and forgotten twisty 2 lanes and dirt roads. That is where the best riding is anyway. It is ultimately reliable, very predictable and easy to get through difficult sections that bigger bikes struggle with, and it is very inexpensive to purchase, own, and travel on. The fairings provide great protection from cold and rain and the whole bike just chugs along through whatever happens without any drama. Of course, you should avoid freeways on a 300. Freeways and high speeds are not what this bike is about. Agree that it is not "exciting", except for the exciting destinations that it can take you. It has a place in the market and I am glad that Honda produced it and sells it for such a reasonable price.
I see it as a value adventure lite motorcycle where the chosen route avoids high speed highways.
@@neil_the_wheel3493
That's awesome! It looks like we're all in full agreement then. All meaning you and Ian, and I.
Nobody who wants to go fast buys this bike so it’s not a negative that it doesn’t go fast: it’s a feature.
I’m literally selling a vtx1800 potentially for this bike. lol. But I also own a fz1
people are nuts, since when is 80 on a dirt bike not fast...
@@jkhsdjkhfjkhh3if it were a dirt bike, you’d have a point, but it’s an adventure bike based on a street bike. 80 is faster than I’ve ever taken an enduro bike, but struggling to hit that isn’t good for a bike that’s primarily configured for pavement.
@@Thanatos2996this bike is based on the CRF300L - which as far I can see, is an off road bike.
@@martyn_g the CRF300L is a dual sport, so yes it has been set up to be better off road, but it’s based off a street bike platform. For an example of one that is based on a dirtbike, the CRF450RL is based on the CRF450X dirtbike.
You don't see the point? I find it hard to believe that you don't see the point-- It's an ultralight ADV that's simple (a positive to many people) and won't break the bank. That is a HUGE point, and it's a huge niche that the manufacturers still haven't quite understood. The 300 Rally fits into that category, but Honda could do better if they understood the simplicity and utility of the concept.
The heavier, complicated and expensive ADV bikes will suffer off-road because they are too heavy and too complicated. The 300 Rally suffers on the freeways because it is underpowered. If Honda could take something like the 450 RL and turn it into a more reliable, smoother-operating, slightly less stressed, ultralight ADV with less bodywork, easier access to the mechanicals (battery access to the 300 Rally is a joke), and longer service intervals, then I think that would be very near to the sweet spot for this burgeoning market.
I can take my 300 Rally into places that hardly anyone would take their 1200 GS, but I can still go anywhere that the 1200 GS can go, if a little bit more slowly. That's the point which you're not seeing. And you can buy two 300 Rallys, plus luggage, for the price of one 1200 GS.
This is it! If Honda released a 450-500cc bike with the same reliability and service intervals as the 300L/Rally, and it had 45-50 hp for comfortable highway speeds for larger riders, but a low seat for shorter riders, it would dominate the market with its dealer network and aftermarket accessories.
Thanks for the shout out, bro! I'll beat the hell out of this thing for you ;)
I have the standard CRF300L, and it has been handling a beating. 🤙
Honda tends to make global motorcycles and not motorcycles specifically for the US market. So this moto would work great in Asia, Latin America, ME/Africa and perhaps Europe where there are fewer highways and more tight roads. Most people around the world would use this bike as a commuter bike, 80% on roads and 20% on dirt, so having a softer compliant suspension would be desirable. Although some "roads" in developing countries are equivalent to what we call trails in the US. Honda understands that people in the US like to mod their bikes and have access to parts, so they provide a basic platform to do so. In other places, parts are sometimes harder to obtain, so a stock configuration is preferred. In countries where the price of gas is $4 to $6 a gallon, a more economical bike is desirable. Also, In the US, we might have a 2 or 3 car garage to store a moto, but around the world, a bike might be stored in a 1 car garage, carport, group parking garage or hallway, so a larger bike would be obtrusive. These are just my thoughts based on my travels around the world.
Also alot of people who commute, might do so 2 up, so thats another reason to upgrade the suspension, it shouldnt require an upgrade from
the buyer. I suspect its super soft because with any upgrade, it would then be to tall for many. Y cant they just go back to the 2 shock set up like the XL series.
There needs to be a category of adventure/enduro bikes called "Useful not Thrilling". We all know they're there, like the KLR650, the Himalayan, the CB500X, and the CRF300L Rally. Bikes that are meant to go places and see things that are the thrill, rather than be the thrill itself. Some people eat really hot food because they enjoy the pain. Some people want to ride heavy bikes with far more horsepower than required at speeds they probably shouldn't go. Most of us are relaxed riders though and we're more interested in the reliable and useful bike that takes us anywhere without complaint as efficiently as possible. Yes, we are looking for the useful adventure motorcycle, not the thrilling (scary?) adventure motorcycle.
Well said
I actually respect that he said this bike was "utilitarian" in nature. That's actually an apt description and one of the best factors for a large chunk of riders out there.
the subaru of motorcycles
Overlander vs rock bouncer.
And thats what either of those 300's are.
I think your review was spot on, from a review perspective, and it's not for everyone. Firstly, your honesty and unbiased opinion is well put. You do a good job at being objective without being offensive or come off as too opinionated, and I appreciated that. However, as an owner of a 300l rally, I can say you might have missed a beat. Most folks don't own more that one or two bikes, so a do everything is going to be hard to find in a entry/mid tier offering. I'm pushing 300lbs fully loaded, so I feel your pain in the suspension and power realm. However, modifications and motorcycles go together like lamb and tuna fish (or perhaps you like spaghetti and meatball?) and finding a well rounded bike that can be tailored to a specific owners needs is a big win. I bought mine sight unseen, literally, never saw one before. But, I look at it like an SUV, of sorts, it does all the things most people look for in a jeep or a Tahoe. That's sort of its calling card, being not exactly good at any one thing, but capable of everything in some small ways, not unlike an SUV. For me, getting into a dual sport for a reasonable cost with the intentions of modifications for custom needs, I think it ticks a lot of boxes. Rear spring and shock, front springs, tusk bars and bags and tires and all sorts, racks, lights, power mods, all things that most folks enjoy the journey and the outcome, while still cruising town, quick trips to the shop, crawling a sand dune, crossing a country, wheelie practice, teaching a friend or spouse, low maintenance, rock solid reliability, and more. This is a swiss army knife, not a Benchmade. And I think that's important. Again, lights out review, nicely done. But I don't think you're the average buyer. You're the Ford Raptor buyer, amongst a sea of a shit load of exploders and expeditions by the millions. I think this bike is the jeep wrangler, in it's ability to be a fun, mostly practical application that needs customization to be unique. Even as an owner, I'd love to buy a bigger faster bike of course, but don't see a reason to ever sell the rally. Cheers brother, keep the good content coming!
I bought a very lightly used one last year and have had a great time with it. I'm now 71yo, weigh 75kg/165 lbs and hadn't owned a bike in 40 yrs. I mainly drive on gravel rds and secondary hwys. It's reliable. Not too heavy. Not expensive for insurance or to maintain. I've done a couple of trips on it from central Canada to the East Coast and also down to New England. 70mph/110kmph is fine for me. I've had enough adrenaline. So all in all its totally fine for me :)
Honestly, SOOO many better (and legal) ways to get adrenaline then speeding on a bike and pulling wheelies. I’m only a 24yo but that still seems very dumb, immature, and dangerous to me.
Go on a roller coaster, go zipplining, bungee jumping, kart racing, etc.
@@Noadvantage246 At 24 if you feel that way then you have reached the maturity beyond your years, which is a great thing! Motor on...
@@Noadvantage246 If you think going on a roller coaster or a zip line is an adrenaline rush, maybe the CRF 300 is too much bike for you?
Yawn
@@robmcguckin7605 If you’re talking pure G force good roller coasters provide way more Gs than a bike can. For zip lines it depends, there’s ziplines that send ppl slinging +100mph over 10,000ft crevices.
I turned a used $4800 300L with 600 miles into a Rally.
Zeta screen, YSS rear shock, 550 ECU, Seat Concept, Acerbis 3.7 tank... the works. It's a $7200 unicorn now. I am rural and 60. I don't need a bike to get on the freeway and am over the moto Napoleon syndrome.
I owned the 300l for a few months and I agree with pretty much all said here.
But I will say, for very causal riders, or new riders, or older riders that just want a relaxing chilled ride over some interesting terrain, then the comically soft suspension actually is a then a good set up.
If you don’t want to cover ground quickly and you are going over very chattery/bumpy ground the soft suspension glides over small bumps where “proper” off road suspension would shake a inexperienced rider around and give them a more stressful tiring experience.
It really is ideal for riders that want to go at a slow relaxed pace, but still want to go over difficult terrain.
Had honda made their Rally a 450cc instead of a 300cc machine , there would have been a line around the building of people wanting to buy one .
Yeah seems silly to have 2 similar bikes the same engine displacement, marketed at the same time.
"Utilitarian" was a very accurate term for this bike. I weigh 160lbs, I just picked up a 300L non-rally because I need something that will be phenomenal on fuel consumption/mileage, comically low maintenance, gets me from A to B using mostly midwest country roads, minimal highways, and a fair bit of trails for fun. I could see suspension being an issue at some point, but I'll deal with that later if so. Bases on what you've said here, I'd say the 300L suits my needs just fine.
Yep. It's a great value for the price.
drz400S or E
AFAIK the non-Rally version had slightly stiffer suspension. Which is good. I don't know why they put that mushy fork on the Rally, though.
@@victoriazero8869 The 300L Rally has the exact same front fork as the 300L except for the Rally has a stiffer spring rate, so I do not know what you are talking about. The 250L Rally is a completely different front fork than the 250L and it IS a different feel. (You can look the parts up if you don't believe me. It may be different in other parts of the world, but in North America they use the exact same damper cartridge part #, but the Rally has a stiffer spring to compensate for the weight difference.)
@@ajseusa1488 Ah, my mistake then. I assume you're American? If yes, the CRF250L is entirely different bike than CRF300L. In Asia, however, the CRF250L use the same frame.
Because in America, what known as CRF250L is 2017 model or older, while CRF300L is 2019 model and newer. In Asia, CRF250L also got updated in 2019. So I must have misremembered.
I'm 58yo, 220lb, average rider at best. Have ridden big bore dirt bikes, sport tourers, GS's etc. This bike is so far up my alley, it isn't funny. Have taken it some very gnarly fire trails (that may or may not have been closed to all traffic) with luggage and standard tyres. Bottomed it out once or twice but not to the point of it affecting the outcomes of the ride. Love that the power is not threatening, I can use it all without it scaring the shit out of me. Yes I will upgrade the tyres and suspension but I'm not in a rush. Love the fuel range, love the low maintenance angle, love how I get everywhere that 99 percent of other bikes get to and it cost me very little.
If I was a gun rider thrashing it down single trails and getting stupid air,burying it in deep mud etc, I would certainly be looking for a different bike, but this is probably the best bike I will ever own
After 13 months, 1700 miles, and many upgrades later, the 300 Rally has been the perfect bike for me. I purchased the bike so that I would have something to tackle the Trans America Trail with, and its perfect for that, in my opinion. Also, I live where there are no freeways, just HWY’s and interstates, and I avoid the interstate if I can. If I can’t, it’s usually only for about 5-10 miles at a time. I just hate riding on the street anymore, and I avoid it as much as I can (lots of back roads). I’ve had too many close calls, and lost too many friends to motorcycle accidents, and they were all going way faster than they should have been. Which is a self control thing, I get that. Maybe I don’t have the self control that I should? I’m 51, and in my 20’s I had all the fast crotch rockets and I would take them to the quarter mile track on the weekends, only if I wasn’t racing my CR250 on the MX track. I’ve come to a place in my life where I’m content, and this bike just serves me well. With that being said, if the DRZ400 were to be updated, and they offered a Rally version, then I might consider selling my Rally... Also, if I rode motorcycles for a living, than just maybe things would be a little bit different, but I think that goes back to the self control thing.., No offense to you, I admire what you do, and I appreciate your content!
Edit: I’ve dropped my bike 8-10 times, and with the lower crash bars that I installed, it doesn’t have one crack in it anywhere, it hardly has any noticeable scratches.
Which crash bar lower are you using on your Rally? Thanks
Awesome thanks for sharing
Jeeze, only 1700 miles in over a year. I guess a lot of bikes would be perfect if you hardly ever ride them 😏
@@HypeRapEnjoyer Not really sure what your point is, my life doesn’t revolve around my motorcycles. However, one year and 1700 miles is a fair enough time and distance to make a decent assessment on the machine, which was the point of my comment. If you haven’t figured out what you got by then, your not paying attention to what you are riding. Furthermore, I feel the that the bike is good for 100k miles if maintained properly. Jeez...
It should do more even if you don't maintain it!😅
Good review. I bought the 300L because I wanted a handy bike for around town and something I could explore tracks and dirt roads on. Yeah, the performance is not exciting but its okay for me at 180lb. At least I won't loose my licence. The maintenance is low, its economical and cheap to buy. Its easy to ride due to its weight and overall size. If you want to go fast, do hard core off road, or long highway miles there are definitely better options. But for me, as a one bike owner, it suits my needs.
Very well said
If the suspension was better and it had more low end torque it would be a much better bike IMHO. Xr400 ish, because the 450L is not a 400 replacement.
@@wayward03The suspension is a weird thing to complain about because everyone replaces it anyways. Even on the bikes with “really good” suspension ppl still replace it. It’s probably better all around they keep it cheaper and let you get your own
Amen brother
A fair and accurate assessment
I have a crf300 rally, I weigh 75kg and I've installed the Rally Raid level one suspension front and rear as well as fatbars, risers, metal skid plate, carry rack, tusk foot pegs barkbuster hand protection and handlebar end weights that have all made the bike more comfortable and practical. I bought the bike to suit a purpose as I travel long distances on back roads and traverse steep tracks with rough and loose surfaces. I've been riding for 48 years and have had many bikes.
The crf300 rally is not perfect but fits the use case that I experience
Speed safely
Hmm, I am over 60 years old, 178 pounds and fully enjoy my Rally riding in desert around Palm Springs. It serves me very comfortably up to 25mph that's actually speed limit on public trails as I know. I can lift it up myself riding solo thru desert and once I go farther with luggage I am ready to install K-tech suspension. I have inseam only 28", so I got lower Kouba link and low profile seat from Seat Concept. that lowered my bile about 3 1/2'. T-Rex stand took care of lowered high. I can't deny I bought it after watching Itchy Boots, even lost 30 lb to enjoy more my Rally. But since I bought riding it brought me a lot of happiness to my life.
Awesome, enjoy!
You're right on everything you say. I have one and love it. I had the KTM350 exec-f, and it had a magical suspension, but when it was on the road it would shake at speeds over 50 mph, and in the corners it was just too tall and twitchy. My 300L is so buttery smooth that I feel like I'm on a Disney ride. Yes, the acceleration is not thrilling, but it's just so comfortable. With the stock tires I can corner this thing on pavement like it's a road bike. The slipper clutch is so fun. My KTM also had starting issues, and here in Alaska, there's not always someone to come get you if you can't start. One time I had to push start it, and lucky I was on a hill. This Honda starts if you just look at the starter button, and that adds to the experience for me.
Having a bike you know will get you home adds to the ride. It removes a subtle layer of anxiety.
Well said! Hondian here.
It's just built for a different market. Latin America, South East Asia, in these parts of the world your average highway speed is way less due to traffic and road conditions. So power is not an issue. As for suspension, in example average male's weight in Indonesia is around 140 pounds. And while having soft suspension is not good for enduro trails, but it's perfect to soak up bad roads with potholes or unpaved roads in decent condition. Also the price - something like Tenere 700 or KTM 890 simply costs way too much for these markets.
Very true
I own the Honda CRF300L (not the Rally). The suspension went from super soft to phenomenal after upgrading it both front and rear (Rally Raid) for around $1,600. Now it is a phenomenal trail bike for me. When exploring single track trails and/or very rough terrain I don't need (or want) a large amount of power. I also own an Aprilia Tuareg 660 for longer distance ADV riding. Owning both of these bikes works well for me. I agree with everything that you said about the Honda. FYI, I bought the CRF300L largely based upon your review last year & suspension upgrade suggestion -- many thanks!
I think with this is comes down to price. It’s the entry level bike into the off road/ADV world. After 15 years of not riding I want back in and I find the price of new motorcycles to be outrageous. There are only a handful of motorcycles that are available for under $10k and even less that can handle some off road, and all will need some modifications especially when your my height and weight. If it wasn’t for this bike and a few others I would’ve just walked away from the idea of owning a motorcycle in 2023/24.
If you can stretch the budged to $10k then the Transalp is the way to go. It’s an excellent bike that I truly wish I could afford.
I think your reviews are accurate based on the amount of different bikes you ride. That is a good thing. A perfect bike does not exist. I really think you do a very good job of listing the pros and cons of each bike and noting many of the exceptions to your judging. That's really important. Keep up the good work.
This is the classic apples to oranges thing. The CRF300L Rally was not designed to be the bike that can do the things you found it falling short of. I mean, would you review a Mini Cooper and comment that it just doesn't hold a whole family and be disappointed about it? The CRF300L Rally was not designed to be aggressive. It was not designed to be fast or powerful like your other bikes with easily twice (or more) the hp, gearing, suspension. What I think you are missing, good Sir, is that you tested/reviewed it expecting it to be different than was it was designed to be - or at least that's how your review came across to me, not that you went into it thinking that way....it just happened to turn out that way.
I don't disagree with you and your review and what you look for in a bike. However, my needs are quite a bit different. I like to go out and explore. Check out old country roads that may turn into dirt. I pack my camera, drone, rain gear, etc. and take off with no particular plan. My Rally takes me anywhere I need to go and then some. If someone needs to go 85 mph on the freeway, this is NOT the bike for you and I don't think the designers had that in mind. I like ambling along listening to the motor purr, stop and take a few photos, put the drone in the air, stare at the bike for a while, observe nature and let it take me away from it all.
Another wonderful video, thank you Ian 👏🏻 This is the only motorcycle reviewing channel that I don't feel like I'm watching an advertisement.
Wow, thanks!
However, mind you, Ian is sponsored by several brands too! 😉
@@larryvanputten4048 it doesn’t seem to cause him to pull any punches. Most motorcycle journalists wouldn’t even dare to say some of the negatives he will say outright. They are more interested in getting invites to the next press launch than helping you purchase your next bike. Rather pointless people to society when you think about it.
For the European market, this bike is simply unique. There is nothing else on its price and especially weight (well, there is the Voge, if you dig cinese clones). The Euro 5 limitations removed all other possibilities from the market. That's what makes it special in my opinion. It's cheap, even if you consider upgrading the suspensions, super reliable, lightweight, with most fuel range than everything else, with long maintenance intervals, with a real dual-sport frame and setup (tall, high ground clearance). Itchy Boots surely doesn't have the mass of a north american man, but she still rides with full luggage, and she goes literally everywhere.
Itchy boots now has a full Rally raid suspension kit in hers.
I bought one for my 20YO son, re-sprung it, added tuner and pipe, took an inch out of the seat foam and downsized the front sprocket 1 tooth. I have a Tuareg 660. We ADV rode all over western NC and SC. We had a blast and kept trading off each bike. Here's the thing... it did put a smile on my face by flogging the crap out of it (5000 to 8000rpm) and not doing 80mph... instead maybe 50-60mph max. It is very flickable, surprisingly so, because of the low weight. It has a great sound (with added pipe) and is just a hooligan, especially coming off the 660 for twisties and back-roads (without the risk of too much speed and weight). Also, much easier than the 660 for tighter, slower rutted double-track (which you almost always encounter when exploring), again for the light weight and better ground clearance. It is not fast, and with the extra cash we spent, maybe there were better bikes, but we are having fun with it. It's really a great starter ADV bike to get my young son out there with me and that is why the bike is PRICE-LESS to me.
Love your channel Ian! Keep up the excellent work.
I'm 71 and 5'7" and only 145 pounds so this bike would be perfect for me . Watching Itchy Boots ride this thing over some gnarly terrain all over the world is proof enough for me. I'm fortunate to own a Triumph Tiger 850 Sport which is in a different league. That's what I ride when I want some excitement.
You're totally right. It's a beautiful reliable bike but so underpowered that it makes no sense, and it's not cheap for what it offers imo!
I have the 250 Rally at now 108.000km - was weighing in over 115kg and am now down to 86kg - Reliability is great as mentioned and I can still run over train crossings at 50kph without bottoming out, when fellow riders on more street oriented rides are nearly thrown off the seat. Not doing US-style offroad, more going slow like Noraly when it gets rough on those rare moments.
Over 100k km! Holy cow! I've had my 250 Rally for exactly 3 years, this week, and use it almost every day and am just now coming up to 11,000 km. I'm over 130 kg and rode it on the stock suspension for almost two years before spending US$900 on upgrades (fork spring, and revalved and re-sprung the stock shock) which totally transformed the handling. With the $4200 I paid for it brand new, 0 km, on the road, that's still a cheap motorcycle. Everything else except the tyres is stock. My other bike is a BMW 1100 twin, so I know what torque and acceleration are, but I find the power on the 250 just fine. The speed limit in this country is 100 km/h, so cruising at 110 with a bit left for overtaking is no problem. The fuel economy is outstanding. I don't get much chance to do serious off-road riding. I do a LOT of gravel roads, often poorly maintained -- washboard, potholes, rain ruts. Sometimes a beach -- did 65 km along one. Farm tracks. Paddocks. The excitement is in the places I go, not in trying to get there 10 seconds faster than someone else. One of the best bikes I've ever owned and I've owned a few -- including an XR600 for a decade. A fun beast off-road, a tiring pig on the highway even when I was 30 years younger than now.
Excellent work with the weightloss, happy for you!
250 rally in the house ! Same amount of miles as you have , Raven Black edition.@@BruceHoult
I an that video is the essence why you are the best tester on youtube. You call it as you see it, no bullshit and every detail explained, no company shill stuff, just straight up. Thanks for being you.
You are without a doubt, the most unbiased motorcycle journalist on the interwebs. I enjoyed watching this review and appreciate the balance you present. This might be a bike for me under certain circumstances, but I would probably want something with a little "more."
Good review, I can’t disagree with the points you make. I have had my Rally for two years now, and still love it. I also have an R1250GS. I weigh 165lbs. And am at the stage in my life where I am not looking for enduro fun, but rather to explore interesting places. The GS is a serious bike. At 600lbs you need to pay attention when you stop, park, or do any tricky maneuver. A tall 600lb bike does not tolerate fools. However it is a great bike for covering huge miles.
The Rally is the opposite: fun, light, and carefree. A light clutch and a seamless transmission. Modern electronics. Great gas mileage. Decent wind protection. Lots of fun on a backroad. A reliable but uninspiring engine. It is a blast to ride on the paved and gravel mountain roads of Western North Carolina. As you said, there is nothing like it, you just need to decide if it’s unique qualities suit you.
Ian, you finally got it with that first "pro" that you thought of at the last minute, but after 6 months of having the bike: dual sport/adventure. I've ridden my 300 Rally on multiple interstate rides (USA) on freeways to BDRs and quite enjoy it. My stable is going down to this one bike now. I can sustain 80mph on the freeway fully loaded when needed, and then ride dirt/trails. It's not perfect for either end of the spectrum, but it's the best compromise I've found.
Fair review. As someone who owns a GS 1250 and put 6K miles on an early 300L I think it all comes down to experience and perspective. The Honda is inexpensive, lightweight, dependable and won’t get you in trouble exploring solo. The Honda price per value is extremely fair in today’s market. I did do a 1000 trip on it all over western NC and had a blast. For newer riders, or someone looking for a blank canvas to customize, or people who want something simple to get around I think it’s a homerun.
Good review. At the end of the day, it's about knowing what you want from a bike and having realistic expectations for it. The 300L Rally can certainly do most anything you want it to. In the last month, I went from a Triumph Tiger 800xc, to the 2022 CRF 300L Rally and I have ZERO regrets. I'm having so much more fun on the Rally and will be keeping it mostly stock for the time being. I'm 6'3, 170 LBS and yes the suspension is very soft, but for bombing around the city, fire roads, country roads, I find it to be an amazing bike and very comfortable
I have a 250l parked next to my gsa 1200 Lc and I wouldn’t prefer anything else. I parted ways with a a WR and 500excf to make room for it. I bought it used with suspension already upgraded. Just yesterday I was coming down mountains in the smokies and guys on sport tourers that looked the part could not keep up. It’s a gem in the twisties. I just fits me and my riding style. I can ride it all day. The 500 was a wild animal but not all day comfortable like my 250l. When I want power I get on my gs. It’s nice having bikes at either end of the spectrum that are really good all rounders for their arena of riding.
As someone who avoids interstates and finds themselves lost on dirt roads that turn into no roads. I'm the target audience for this bike. I do agree about the suspension though. It definitely needed an upgrade.
It's a Honda (extreme reliability), it's lightweight for solo riding, it will ride all day at 65 and that's as fast as I want to go on a bike this light, suspension mods available that will make it a capable off road bike, clearance that will take it over every pass in Colorado and range to do the TAT. I agree with everything you said and am even more convinced it's the bike for me. Now if there was just a way to attach my ego...
Thank You for such a good review of this bike, I am 76 years old ridden many different bikes all so very great in their ways I decided to get one because as a geezer biker the ups and downs of this bike are so perfect to me as to what I need in this stage of life no one has said to date that as a single cylinder it runs like a sewing machine and that it does.
I'm 58 and returning to biking after a 20 year break.
I love the look of this bike and want something light, upright with off road capability, reliable, tall (I'm 6'2) and good range.
However every review I've seen (about15) mention the rear shock being inadequate and they can't all be wrong, the power of 27hp also concerns me and I don't believe you can do much to improve it.
I also weigh 200 pounds so would certainly have to pay around $800 to upgrade the suspension which is ridiculous on a brand new bike.
Clear, concise and unvarnished truth - review couldn't be better. Not being an experienced rider or adrenaline junkie I appreciate the reliability, practicality (and aesthetics) of this bike and completely agree that how you use it - individual requirements, are paramount. Don't think there is a unicorn - every bike is a compromise.
I think you are spot on. I have a KLX300, I bought it over the Honda 300 offerings due to the suspension. But power wise neither are anything to write home about.
I just put a deposit down on this bike. It’s supposed to be here mid April and I couldn’t be more excited! I have done a lot of research into my choice over the past couple of years. You definitely make some great points and concerns. For me personally though I feel like it will be the best bike for me. I am a new rider. 33 5’7 and 150 pounds a 30 inseam. I have no experience on a motorcycle other than the initial 2 day motorcycle training course I took. For me I feel like the bike is going to expose me to a lot of different things and be a great introduction into the world of dual sport/adventure riding. I am going to try out stock for a bit until I get more experience. I will most likely get a Rally Raid level 1, seat concepts slim seat, an ejk, exhaust. A few protective things as well but hope to keep the bike light weight. I definitely am excited to explore out there. This channel, dork in the road, itchy boots, jake the garden snake, and a few other video bloggers were definitely a big part of why I went with this bike as my first.
Thanks for all the great content out there! Appreciate it!
Did you get your bike yet?
How’s the bike mate?
how 'bout now?
Great honest series! I started riding at 10 yrs old and raced motocross for 6 years. I've owned all types of bikes from RZ350's to Suzuki Burgman 650 and the last bike before purchasing my 300 Rally was a 2014 Goldwing. I am 61 years old. I notice your camper in the driveway and I too have a camper I love. The 300 rally can fit into the back of the pickup with the camper hooked up. This allows me to explore places even more on a relaxed ride. If I dump it , I can pick it up. The horse power is friendly and won't get me into trouble. It will wheelie if I try hard. I still use this a commuter to work on a major highway here in Canada and I totally agree with your evaluation. It will do it, but you are pushing it and I would like a little more (maybe the KTM 390 or the new 2024 Honda NX500). Loving your videos...thanks
I think that you nailed it concerning the review. I own a 300 Rally and I had bigger bikes. But I used my Rally on back and dirt road mostly on my own. So I do need something light, light enough to be picked-up with one arm...just in case.
Although it lacks power, it can travel at 110kms per hour and that is ok with me. I intend to take it to Africa, probably Morocco (love that country), and having crossed the Sahara desert a long time ago, I wouldn't take any bike with electronics. When you are somewhere with no living soul for the next 300, 400 or more miles, you want an easy, simple and robust bike. The rest, you accomodate with it.
As they used to say in Africa, you have the watch, we have the time.
Please give it a thought. Ride safe
Ian, you are spot on describing who this bike is for. I’m 56yo, 5’6 165lbs. Own a MG V7 and looking for something to take through the light Pine trails along with some road riding. I’m Not a speed demon, need reliability and lighter weight. Over analyzed most in this class and keep coming back to this one. Going to pull the trigger soon. Thx for the review.
You hit the nail on the head Ian with the overall review. I feel a lot of it comes down to where geographically we live, how wide our wallets can be opened and personal choices in general define which motorcycle can work best for us at that certain time. We are in time in the world where if our opinions on any topic arent embraced by all, it turns to anger for most. You did the Honda justice and provided an absolutely unbiased truthful review knowing you were entering the "hot zone." I keep up with many of today's top motorcycle channels on TH-cam and there's a reason yours gains subscribers faster than anyone else currently. Ride safe.
Thank you
I agree it was a great review- but very USA focused I feel. Most places in the world 100 -110kmh is about the max allowed (60-70mph) and if you are on an adventure trip, why do 140 kmh?
Do the suspension and it is an awesome bike fit it’s intended role. 🎉
This bike review is great, but gaining subscribers faster than anyone else? Itchy Boots has 1,600,000 subs compared to 166,000 on this channel. That is ten times the growth. But, she has made many changes to her 300 Rally along the way, including a complete re-build last fall which included many upgrades.
To recap'; a light and easy to handle bike, good wind protection, very reliable, long service intervals, fuel efficient, uncomplicated by gadgetry, not overpowered and good for exploration. Sounds exactly like the bike for riders to travel very far in foreign lands on unknown roads and rough tracks, and make it home in one piece again.
No wonder Honda can't keep up with the demand.
Had Rally3 for more than a year now, most of it being city driving, low speeds tight roads and filtering.
Main pros are that its very thin for filtering and moving thru tight gaps in traffic and going thru tight building complexes for a hidden parking spots (this constitutes for light offroading :D ), good gas economy and it looks very unique.
All in all, its an economic and agile city bike with good ground clearence for tucked away places to park in. And you look cool.
I enjoy just cruising down trails, not trying to go fast at all (15-30mph). I initially bought an Africa twin since i do alot more road riding than offroad. Loved the bike on road but when i took it off road, thats when problem started to surface. Being 5'6" and weighing only 130lbs, the bike was pretty much unusable for me (maybe a more skilled rider would be fine but im not that guy). After about a year, I sold it and bought a TW200. I absolutely loved that bike off road, low seat hight and a big balloon tire made it easy for a casual rider like myself to tackle more difficult stuff that i normally wouldnt attempt. The obvious problem that bike faced was it was way too slow for road riding with a comfortable cruising speed of around 50mph. After going back and forth, I finally settled on the CRF Rally. Light and perfectly capable on the trail for my riding style, and can comfortably cruise at 65-70mph all day. Alot of people complain about the suspension, but as previously stated, i only weigh 130lbs, so i found the suspension ridiculously plush and comfy both on and off road. Needless to say this is my "unicorn" bike, being able to do everything i like perfectly.
As an experienced street rider but a newer off-road rider, I find it extremely forgiving and usable for solo adventure travel. It's far from perfect, but as you said there actually isn't much else in the category. I wanted reliability, fuel range, long maintenance intervals, something I could pick up easily, wind protection, and something that I could ride all day in mixed conditions and challenge myself off road without getting into too much trouble, and ride a few hundred miles on tarmac to get home. There literally is nothing else. (T7 too heavy/tall/intimidating, 690 too tall/unclear if aftermarket windscreens + lowering etc would leave me with what I wanted, DR650/DRZ400S carbureted and no wind protection, KLR too heavy, etc.)
Incredible full review series on the 300 Rally. Just picked mine up this week, suspension upgraded - there's just no way around it. Going from an 1150GSA to this for light weight, secondary road travel, and east coast BDR's & TAT. Skipping around town this thing is a BLAST! It's just so easy to ride, to the gym, the office, and just out and about. It's simply just a FUN machine. It's also a great setup for my teenage son to learn to ride, easy, and won't get too far away from him. This will be in my garage forever - future purchases do include based on your reviews, the Aprilia Tuareg 600, and a R1250RT for long distances. I'll never sell the GSA and now the Rally. Please keep up the amazing unbiased reviews.
Great review. I have one on order and I still can't wait to get it. I think the only point you were missing was that this bike can do almost everything, but nothing great. If you could only have one bike, this is the one I'm getting because of its versatility and reliability. I own 4 motorcycles now covering all types of riding, I'm selling all of them and just getting one. And that's the Crf300 rally. But I will be changing the rear suspension for sure. Thanks for the honest review.
You've nailed the common flaw with moto journo bike reviews. They always have access to a better bike, and they never met an extra 30hp they didn't like. This is a great review, though.
Your review is spot on. This is how I feel about my KLR650 now that I have more powerful adventure bikes and dual sports. Just don’t have the heart to part ways with her. She’s a good ol girl.
Noraly (itchy Boots) has also extensively modified the suspension on her bike - she now has the full Rally Raid package, plus even some upgrades and tuning on top of that after her trip to Alaska to accomodate the luggage she is carrying. Her bike is now a pretty competent off road adventure bike, but was not so before it was modified.
I think the problem with that is modifying the suspension to that degree puts the bike in The same price range as a stock CRF 450L. So at that point why wouldn't you just buy one of those and get much better suspension stock along with a lot more power? Then just add a windscreen and you'd have a much more powerful and capable bike at the same price range.
@@stevezatrine7305 yup, I agree. I have been thinking of downsizing from my BMW GS650 (actully the 800cc twin version) to get a lighter bike for more casual poking about on county roads and trails, that I can more easily lift in the evernt of a getoff or tipover. But the Rally version is pricey enought to begin with, compared with its non-rally stablemate. Then as you say the price is hard to justify if you then have to start upgrading components. Easier I think to just start with the basic dual purpose 300 as a bike in this displacement category, and then add only the items that you actually need.
@@stevezatrine7305 because Honda specify a full engine rebuild at 20k miles. I know the extremely short intervals can be taken with a pinch of salt, but the 450l will undoubtedly require more maintenance than the 300. If you're prepared to do the maintenance necessary to run the 450, why not just buy an EXC500 which is 30kg lighter, more powerful and generally more capable, with the same maintenance interval (and impressive reliability)? The 300 and 450l occupy different purposes in the market and regardless of how you modify them will always express particular strengths and weaknesses. If you're going to ride across Siberia, or the length of Africa, the 300l is undoubtedly the better choice. If your trips vary from overnight to two week runs, and so fun if more important than fuel economy, comfort and reliability, buy the 450l. Just my two cents ✌️
@@nyedavis922 to me it's very disappointing that a major manufacturer such as Honda would produce a bike with such a soft suspension that literally 95% of all potential buyers would find it inadequate and not usable. This forces their customers to have to spend like two grand on suspension mods to make the bike work properly. If you add two grand to the purchase price are you really getting good value for your money? This makes the customers have the conversation of well if I have to do that then I might as well buy this and if I buy this then I'm on as well buy that. It's really just not excusable that they blew it that bad on the suspension. Sprung for a 100 lb rider? Give me a break. Someone that light is probably not tall enough to then be able to touch the ground on it. So it's literally set up for almost no one.
@@stevezatrine7305 hey man I totally agree. A number of modern Honda's I've experienced have had some significant shortcomings. The suspension is inexcusably terrible on the 300. My WR250R has okay suspension from the factory, it's not great and is a little underdamped on the rear, but is serviceable and safe. The stock suspension on my 350EXC-f is brilliant, no complaints about it. Why Honda couldn't just add £500 to the list price and fit decent suspension is beyond me (and ergonomics that suit someone taller than 3'8")
My Rally 250 has 118,000km and still pulls 83mph bolt upright. All day 60mph riding. Ejk and standard pipe work just fine. Recommended. It's one of the smallest bikes I've ever owned, but one of the best. ❤Still running original piston and rings to boot. Frequent oil changes pay dividends.
I appreciate your honesty! I'm retired and ride a tuned SuperTenere but want a second bike to haul on a hitch carrier for exploring backroads when traveling. My cardiologist strongly suggests no adrenaline. This bike seems near perfect for my needs after suspension modification.
I am a CRF300L Rally owner since 2021.
Love this little bike. Does it have limitations, sure. But they are not hard to live with. I weigh 190lbs without my gear on. Yes the suspension is soft. On the street, I love the plushness. Can’t feel bumps or potholes much at all. My other bike is a CBR1000RR so I know what a stiff suspension feels like.
I can see the CRF’s suspension being a problem if you plan on riding very aggressively off road. But for me, I’ve been on lots of off road trails and it has worked fine. When I was a kid, I learnt how to ride on a CB125S off road with a completely shot suspension so this is like a Cadillac. 😁 Even if I get it to bottom once in a while (not often) it’s fine. I don’t ride agressive off road. I just enjoy the ride. If it gets really rough, I adjust.
Very fine motorcycle. You are right, if you’re looking for top notch performance and jumping and competing, get a $15K bike.
If you want the most versatile bike out there, get a CRF.
P.S. You ask what you are missing? Why other people are buying this bike?
The answer is you’re looking at bikes for the pure adrenaline rush of riding as agressively as possible. Pushing yourself to the limit of your capabilities on a motorcycle off road (I assume off road since I don’t see anything capable of spirited riding on the street in your garage).
And I get it, the speed, the power, the handling… it’s all great.!! I know, when I ride my CBR1000RR in the canyons, that’s what I like too.
But that’s not why I bought the RALLY.
It’s my go the the grocery store bike. It’s my moto camping ⛺️ bike. It’s my hit some logging road bike and take it easy.
Bring a chair and go sit by a lake bike.
Give it a try. Step away from the razors edge for a minute. You’ll get it.! 😃
Don’t try to make a race bike out of a CRF300L RALLY and you will understand why people buy it.
Cheers mate.
I've upgraded almost everything on my 300L. With a yosimura exhaust and dna air filter mine will do 85mph on the roads but if you want to go fast on the roads then use a road bike. Best upgrade for adventuring apart from the suspension is the 14L acerbis fuel tank which doubles the range. It's an amazing bike once you spend a good few grand on upgrades.
It's loved by those who haven't ridden much else and think they're on a street legal dirt bike. It's nothing like a dirt bike.
I really like my 300l for local trips. Have other faster bikes but find I’m always reaching for it because of ease of grabbing out of garage and fuel economy. It’s also great for mounting it to camper. Good review though and agree for most part. I couldn’t imagine selling my 300. thank you
Right on!
Use my 300l exactly the same way. I ride more overall because of it and even if to run some errands, getting on a bike often is a big win in my book. Heck, I'm jealous of my friends CT125 trail.
So easy going...
@@jeffloucks2120 haha yeah I’ve been thinking the same about a 125. I think ease of use is often overlooked.
I agree 100%. To me the Honda feels like Crap. And it feels like honda is charging the consumer too much money for crap. I have a love of small bore dual sports. Having put Hundreds of thousands of km on an XL350R, Drz400, wr250r and an xt250. The Crf300l i picked up definitely felt the worst stock,
The power band is odd, it is ok till 8400 then it abruptly dies off. loosing 15 hp by 9500 rpm
The suspension isnt dampened at all.
The brakes on the L model are terrible.
I did keep the crf300l, I slowly fixed all the problems. I added the cbr300r cams and intake tube and a tune from 550 performance. I added a full rally raid suspension set up. I purchased new wheels from woodies wheel works as mine warped at around 1000km With all these mods it now feels ok. About as much fun as a stock wr250r or drz400. But it is crazy that so much needs to be fixed to make the bike ok. Who is this bike for? Its for shorter riders looking for a lighter brd adventure bike. Rally Riad makes a level 1 suspension kit that takes 2 inches of travel out of the bike and preforms wonderfully. With that kit the Honda makes alot of sense for riders that are 5'6 and shorter.
I actually really enjoy the CBR300R parts in the motor and wish Honda would have put the real CBR 300R motor in the Crf450 Chassis. That to me would have been a better more fun trail bike.
Thanks for being so honnest. The crf300l and crf300 rally are the bikes most often sold with less then 1000km on them. To many youtubers talked them up and were not honnest about how its not an amazing unicorn bike... its just another underpowered under suspended dual sport.
Great review Ian. I agree completely. I purchased the CRF450RL to overcome the shortcomings of the 300L. Installed the GET ECU from TacoMoto and it’s an absolute ripper. And even with the cost of the ECU I’m still $2000 less than a new 500 ECX-F plus Honda reliability.
You made a great choice don't get me wrong. But I have to comment on the KTM reliability myth. We have a 2017 husky FE501 with 200hours on it, and it's never needed more than an oil change. Valve check at 100hrs was perfect. So I picked up 2022 500excf, I'm at 100hrs and it's amazing, reliable and doesn't need quartely valve checks . The bike is NOT unreliable and I don't know why people think that. It's actually a tank.
Awesome choice
@@awatts222 Awesome. I’ve ridden the 500 EXC-F and they’re great bikes for sure. Glad it’s working out for you. The engine vibes coming from the KTM were a deal breaker for me.
Definitely get that for sure. Like it's been said, the 500 engine feels like it's a washing machine with dishes in it Hahah but for context I did trade my 300l rally in for it, and it feels that it MAY actually be equally as reliable. Here's hoping.
The 450 Honda definitely does give you that Honda reliability peace of mind though. Happy trails!
Jerry, how is the 450 holding up to a luggage load? I'm fond of the Husky's because of my 350, but the vibration on the 500 is hard to swallow for any road time.
I am considering getting a dual sport just for some fun and a full adventure bike for longer trip and was considering this as an option. All your conclusions make perfect sense and this would really just be a worse competitor to my actual ADV bike without doing the stuff I want it to. Great video, saved me from a misguided purchase
I don’t buy a bike just for reliability. The lack,of power is a worry on the open road. For advanced riders looking for low weight, a modified KTM 500 is the way to go.
If you're like me and work more often than not and mostly fantasize about doing serious adventures but in reality you may only hit the utility road near the house, run to the gym, grocery store and take it to the nearby recreational area with the kiddos and wife...THIS BIKE IS PERFECT. If you're a serious adventure guy it's not gonna work. My .02 after owning one for a year.. It's absolutely perfect for me and I love it and will never ever ever sell it
Decent review, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents; I'm about 200 lbs and 6'3", but after taking most/all of the rear suspension preload out of the spring I have to say the suspension felt great on AND offroad. I've ridden the CRF300 on a pretty broad range of trails and roads and this minor adjustment to the rear shock may be all most people need to dial this bike in. 👍
This bike clearly lacks of 10 hp/50cc.
I always read your comment from people who so clearly only putter down basic trails. I'm 6 ft and 200 lb and the stock suspension is horrible off-road at any skill level. It's a pogo stick in the rear with uncontrolled rebound causing awful backlash from literally any manuever. The front end's constant diving under mere braking and then same uncontrolled rebound is equally detrimental to terrain progress AND riding skills development. Nobody, especially a beginner, should learn to ride on such a piss poor suspension. The rear is so soft it feels like it's washing out from under you on the road in any leaned turns from a stop. It's so soft I have audibly heard the rear tire hopping off the pavement numerous times and loss of traction for no apparent reason off-road is common. Cranking out the preload does nothing to change any of that.
As you said, your review is very accurate. At the stage of my life, I'm looking for reliable moto, thank you for your valuable advice.
Enjoy your reviews, even though I’m not (yet?) into hardcore off-roading. Please don’t pander to the snowflakes who jump at every opportunity to be personally offended by your opinions😊🤦♂️
Thank you a lot for your honesty ,this is a great value,no matter the brands or bike models you're talking about.Keep going like this.
You basically came to the same conclusion i did about the 300l rally and why i decided to avoid them. Nice bike but not for me. Unfortunately some people get emotional about this bike for some reason.
Great review… perfectly on point. All of your cons are pros for me. The review actually confirms what I’m hoping for. My husband and I are picking up our Rally’s next week (after a year of waiting). We’re adding these bikes to our current barn of two Yamaha TW200s. We’ll keep the TWs for mountain goating and plan to use the Rally’s for the plethora of forest service roads that we have in the Pacific Northwest. As a 40-something woman rider, I definitely don’t need adrenaline anymore and much prefer riding for the scenery. With an understanding husband who rides behind me (he’s much more experienced and would blow me away if he were in front), it seems like a perfect bike for him too. Anyway, just wanna say thanks for a great review… very fair and on point. And since we do plan to modify the suspension, this seems to meet all of our needs.
I like your honest take on this.
Concerning adventuring, it sure would get you there (no matter where) but I think it depends on how you want to make the journey.
I think there are better commuter vehicles like a versys if you want an example.
Please do enjoy this bike if you have it!
I am the guy you described who would like the Rally. It has been touring the back roads of Europe and I will be back next week to do more before I ship it home to Colorado. I also have a 790 which clearly does different things. If I had to choose I might keep the Rally.
I can definitely agree with your points, but I think your biggest limitation is having to stay close to stock. After new tires, suspension, ecu, and exhaust upgrades, I’ve found it’s a completely different bike with more capability and a blast to ride.
Especially the ECU upgrade will transform the bike. And of course the suspension too…
Thank you, Travis. Excellent point. Can you share the links to your specific upgrades that you have found most useful?
@@KurtGAndersen And it will void the warranty.
Great point!
Well yeah, swapping out most of those core components will completely change a bike. At that point I’ll just get a more expensive bike where I won’t HAVE to swap out all of those. Modifying is fun but it’s a lot less fun when it’s a requirement.
You present your findings clearly and impartially.
The significant difference is, as you accurately pointed out, that of experience. For the more reserved and cautious rider this bike is ideal. For the skilled rider, it's shortcomings are quickly apparant.
Thanks Ian for making that point concisely.
Super helpful commentary!! It's worth noting that Itchy Boots' bike has been heavily modified, even with her lower weight
Great review, I appreciate your honesty.
Some of the other Pro's in my opinion are:
- Cost, the retail price of this bike is lower than any other adventure bike. and even when you factor in the mods you need, it's still a cheap bike.
- Confidence inspiring: Because of it's low weight it's easier for people to take off road.
- Do it all bike: If you can only afford one bike and want to do everything from highway to single track, this bike can do it.
As you say, it's not for everyone, especially if power is what you're after. I can still wheelie and have fun on mine but I am happy to forgo more power to enjoy all the other Pro's of this bike.
Sean
Noraly dragged Alaska out of the deep sticky jungle mud in Guatemala, twice in the same day, and still published two of her best videos.
Sometimes light weight is the only thing that brings you home. S6-E71-72 🙂👍👍
There's always one...
currently 37:1 ... and you're it.
Bought mine, knowing that I would be upgrading the suspension. But I don’t want to ride on the interstate. Plenty of roads that keep this bike in its sweet spot. I don’t enjoy riding with Semi-trucks at 80mph. I want to go places and see things without limitations and this bike offers that without the extra 100lbs.
The DR650 is only 22lb heavier has 22 more horsepower and similar dimensions. Can be lowered 20mm by reconfiguring stock suspension (still may need better internals). And you can probably buy one today for half the price of a KTM.
Hear hear! Put that same $2k in upgrades into the bush pig and you have a world class adventure dual sport.
the down side to the dr650 is the fuel economy. You would need the giant safari tank to be at the crf300 rally range.... and with the safari tank you have lost your 22lb weight compairason
People discount the versatility of the old school 650’s. I had a modded wr250r for a while, which had the same kind of hype as the 300 Honda. The lack of power made it a big no- go for me. A well set up DR (or XR) is a much more versatile bike. But, all bikes are cool. Ride what you like.
This has been a great review series. Thanks for being a real "journalist", and not a shill or antagonist. I thought about this bike, and could see it being a good first street bike for a young person. It isn't intimidating, it isn't high powered. It can be legally ridden with a learner's permit. It is tall with an upright seating position to aid in visibility. And it probably won't get stolen, when the key is left in the ignition. 👍
PS. The main point of this bike is not what it is but what you can do with it: explore on/off-road with ease as often as you want, and peace of mind
But this bike doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are plenty of bikes that do all the same things, in the same price bracket, better. The anemic engine is a joke, and the suspension requires immediate investment because it's basically useless.
@@WheatMillington What bikes? Everything I think of has some disadvantage I'm not willing to live with. Heavier, or less reliable, or high maintenance, or worse on fuel consumption, or less comfortable on the road, or (blasphemy!) too much power. The CRF has clear disadvantages too, but no showstoppers for me personally. Pretty much every other bike has at least one showstopper.
Thanks for your always great sincere reviews! I think what you are missing is that for many people there is great enjoyment in a machine that is not centered around large heavy profiles with higher performance engines that encourage or thrive on spinning the tire or pulling wheelies. Some (many) riders love the easy going nature of a mildly tuned smaller displacement engine that thrives on slower paced relaxed riding and exploring where the experience is centered more on the exploring than the motorcycle itself or the adrenaline rush it creates. I love my cb500x so much that I sold my hayabusa and big bandits, will be selling my MT09sp and am picking up my CRF 300 Rally in 2 days so now at 63 yrs old I will have two little laid back Hondas.
this bike is the true concept of RELIABILITY, itchyboots is travelling the world through sand, rivers, and gravel roads, no issues. what a bike ❤
It's an old man's local dirt road/trail explorer. I'm and old man. Perfect for me.
I was about to buy this bike late last year but when you had that review that showed it had problems on any incline on the freeway, I decided to go for the DRZ400s. I also knew that it would not excite me riding it, AND I'd have to change the suspension.
So far, I love the DRZ. It's not broken in yet but has enough power to be fun and exciting. Plus, I'm doing the jd Jet kit mod.
I rode my DRZ at 7,500 feet to 2,000 feet and had no problem with it being a carb. The reliability of my DRZ is phenomenal and I feel like it's the most reliable, tough vehicle I have ever owned. A 70 mph wind blew it over and the handlebars didnt even bend.
The DRZ is such a great and capable bike for what is a 20+ year old design. It still cuts the mustard and I would have one over the CRF300 all day long.. We haven't been able to buy DRZ400 in the UK since 2008 because of the Euro emissions bullshit and are left with very few around nowadays and most are pretty beat up... Great bike
@@1969tonksy Yes! I totally agree. It's the best do-it-all motorcycle out there still.
The Drz definitly has a higher build quality. The narrow gear box was a pain. I switched from a drz to a wr250r after 57.000km on my drz. For me and my riding i loved the wr250r even more then the Drz
*Kicks bike over*
2 minutes later:
"I had a light tip over"
THANK YOU for mentioning the ridiculously soft suspension! It really is dangerous the way it comes from the factory, especially being marketed towards newer riders that may not have the knowledge base. GREAT REVIEW.
I can agree with you, Ian. I purchased a Rally 250 maybe 2 years ago, and it was my first experience riding in the dirt. After 5 or 6 months, I traded it in on a 2021 Africa Twin. Although I loved the Rally for the looks, purchase price, and ease of maintenance, I started having similar feelings that you described. I didn't have enough to keep up on the Texas roadways, and It was too heavy to ride single track and have a good time.
Now I'm a heavy rider, I replaced the front and rear suspension, and I kept the old girl pinned and never had to worry about reliability because it was a Honda, but I knew it was time for something else. I loved my Rally, but now with a KTM 500 dual sport and a GS in the garage, I know without a doubt I will have fun doin the riding I want to do. Great review, Ian, and thanks for creating content for us.
As always, your reviews are honest and to the point. I love them because you separate your personal point of view from the journalistic one. Thank you.
I have a 2022 300 Rally, a 2020 Africa Twin AS and a 2019 Monkey 125. Each bike used in different situations. Weighting 220 pounds, never bottomed out on the 300 Rally.
Bet you bottomed the monkey out lol
I don't know that you are "missing" anything in your review, I believe there are a lot of riders out there like myself (CRF300L) who have either just gotten back into riding after long layoff, or perhaps new riders that are looking for a bike they are confident in handling. I ride mine off road probably 30% of it's miles, and tackle BDR routes, etc. No interest in highways on this bike for sure, but knew that going into it. I think that after a few seasons, some riders will definitely "outgrow" it and look to move up in capability.
Great review. I just bought a 2023 Suzuki DRZ400S. I rejected the Honda for all the reasons you mentioned (I'm a big guy), and the DRZ has a way better power to weight ratio, good stock suspension, and it's fun! (The stock seat, however, was almost certainly designed by Satan)
DRZ400 and DR650 are far far better options for do it all bikes. My DR650 will cruise at 75mph with plenty of passing power up to almost 3 digits.
Maybe the difference between BRM and CRF300L fans is a matter of money. Ian gets free bikes from the manufacturers, and since his TH-cam channel is his business, he can justify buying Aprilias, KTMs, and other pricey metal every year. I other words he's spoiled. :) Lucky guy! I have a drastically lower budget, including a space budget in my garage. With no place to store a trailer, I want a bike that I can ride to trails, and that's cheap to operate. I can't spend my way out of the compromise that is the CRF300L. I'm in a market segment that's not so interesting (profitable) in the USA, and I'm glad that Honda supplies it.
You're right.
Great review as always. I think something Honda really needs to improve on 95% of their bikes is character (both design and engine). Often their bikes are refined to the point of being boring. I had 2 Africa Twins, and those were the exception (more so with an aftermarket exhaust), they were torquy, sounded great, pure hooligan bikes. Most other hondas I've ever tried, were so smooth, they felt like electric bikes (without the EV torque).
Did you ever try the NS400R?
nothing boring about that little 2-stroke... and not what I call "smooth" either... 🤣🤣🤣
@@StoltHD Do they still make those?
I know they don't but let's keep it about the models Honda is currently making, which I guess was the point OP is making 😆
@@_Makanko_ - I responded to your statement; "Most other hondas I've ever tried, were so smooth", not the topic of the video.
Just wondered if you actually had tried some of Hondas "real" bikes...
Nothing "smooth" or boring about the CRF450L either...
Just saying that Honda have some "not so boring bikes", even though I wished they could release a new street legal XL600R/XR650R or a fuel injection XR650/NX650
One of the most fun Honda's I ever had was a XR650R which had a DOT lighting kit added and was plated for street use.
That was not a boring Honda at all but loads of fun both on the street and the trail, that was the definition of a Hooligan bike!
@@billwiley7216 - yeh, I wrote wrong, it was the XR I ment... I never got the chance of trying it (not many of them in Norway), but I really want to get my hand on one... or one of the early Transalps...
Im at 8,200 miles that are mostly daily/commuting miles. I have Rally Raid Level II suspension, CBR300 cams, intake mods, exhaust and tune. Holds 80mph just fine on hills and top speed is 92mph (GPS) but thats really wrapping the bike out. Its an amazing little machine now. I can rip around on single track and ride it all the way home. Wouldn't hesitate to ride it across the country. For the amount of money I dumped into it I could have gotten a used Africa Twin or a higher end bike, but I love the low maintenance and riding a slow bike fast.
Sounds awesome
Good stuff as usual. I'm still on a Rally waitlist, despite the fact that a KTM dealer gave me an offer on a brand new 2022 Adv 390 that made it cheaper than the rally. I just didn't want to deal with the iffy quality there and knowing the nearest dealer to me would be a 3 hour drive away. I'll have the Honda guys 10 min away. As a returning geezer who wants something light that can handle back roads, gravel, and moderate double and single track, plus enough range to not have to worry about 150m stretches of boonies, there's not much else to choose from. Not interested in thrills of speed and jumping, so that helps. Everyone says the suspension's awful, but I have also seen much heavier riders use them stock and say "meh, it's OK." I sat on an unmodded 250 rally at a dealership a few weeks ago and it didn't sag more than about 2-3 inches (I go
Awesome video!
Growing up, I wanted a rally/250l. Seriously, I was in middle school dreaming of buying one and watching reviews... At 23 years old, I began seriously shopping bikes and found out how small these bikes are. At 245ish lbs and 6-2, this bike felt like a bicycle when I sat on it. I had to move up to the KLR 650 for my first bike.
When Itchy boots road through the U.S on her Patagonia to Alaska tour she didn’t ride very much Interstate. Most US consumers will eventually ride Interstate and realise quickly where this bike belongs.
I predict there is going to be a lot of disappointed new Rally owners when they figure out how underpowered and heavy this bike is..
I have this very bike and love it because I am in the crowd you described. I think you got it all write about this bike. I am almost 72 years old and weigh 158 lb and have traveled on and off the Highway and it has worked just fine for me. I traveled 200 miles at a time on a mix of freeway and two lane highways with a full load of camping gear and the bike held a steady speed of 65 mph and got between 65 and70 mpg. I have a new shock and fork spring waiting to be installed because you are exactly correct about the suspension it is way to soft. Thank you Ian for such good and fair reviews on what ever bike you are reviewing.