What If The Soviets Won The Cold War?

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    What if, in an alternate timeline, the Soviets were the ones that came out on top during the Cold War. Now, this is obviously a highly unrealistic prospect. For that to happen not only would the many issues within the Soviet Union be fixed, but the issues in the West would also need to be worsened massively. So this scenario about the Cold War starts, strangely enough, all the way back in 1917. From here Comrade Serov, the writer of the scenario, takes us through 100 years of alternate world history, from the Russian civil war to the post-US collapse world order.
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  • @possiblehistory
    @possiblehistory  ปีที่แล้ว +373

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    • @JTL1776
      @JTL1776 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Marshal Marrs better idea what if a mega sunami hit china's Yangtze River Valley during the beginning of agriculture.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What if Bukharin took control of the USSR instead of Stalin?

    • @santiagoalcantara3806
      @santiagoalcantara3806 ปีที่แล้ว

      Star wars program was a disaster. It was a fantasy dream that technology of the time can't reach. Regan was a mediocre politician, he don't make the URSS fall, the URSS fall by it self because of economic and political stagnation during the Brezhnev era. In fact Regan star the deindustrialization with the industry export to China.

    • @JmKrokY
      @JmKrokY ปีที่แล้ว

      Always bro 👍🏼

    • @jasonhesson1030
      @jasonhesson1030 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi PH
      Would it be possible for you to explore a 'What if' regarding the Allies in North Africa after evicting the Africa Corp then invading Europe through Greece instead of Sicily then Italy in early 1943?
      Basically the outcome on the Eastern Front if all the Allied Forces that went into Italy and Vichy France in OTH went through Greece instead.
      Would it allow the Allies to invade Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia before the Red Army if they did this in the same timescale as in OTH?
      And would it help if all the forces/supplies via convoys went straight to North Africa then Greece instead of the UK to help this front instead and thus avoiding D-Day?
      Regards

  • @user-Erimej
    @user-Erimej ปีที่แล้ว +2629

    In many ways, this alternative Soviet Union is a lot more like the United States of America. A winner of the Cold War who had a difficult time maintaining it's hegemonic status from all kinds of issues

    • @Killertiller01
      @Killertiller01 ปีที่แล้ว +210

      Yeah it's never easy being on top.

    • @user-Erimej
      @user-Erimej ปีที่แล้ว +124

      @@Killertiller01 especially against rising new powers

    • @yungyahweh
      @yungyahweh ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-Erimej they probably would do better that the current US against Russia and China

    • @jonathanjuarez5544
      @jonathanjuarez5544 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      In other words, regardless of ideology as long as there's a lust to be the most powerful conflict will always follow.

    • @user-Erimej
      @user-Erimej ปีที่แล้ว +62

      @@jonathanjuarez5544 and with great power comes great responsibility

  • @thegoodwillseventyseven
    @thegoodwillseventyseven ปีที่แล้ว +1377

    So, basically, "What if everything went in favor of the Soviets"

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 ปีที่แล้ว +502

      "What if the Soviets rolled 20 every single time"

    • @deathlord2083
      @deathlord2083 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@concept5631 yes😂

    • @user-qi6pv9jh7o
      @user-qi6pv9jh7o ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Kinda, things happen because they have a reason to happen

    • @user-qi6pv9jh7o
      @user-qi6pv9jh7o ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And in determined world, history just doesn't become alternative

    • @user-qi6pv9jh7o
      @user-qi6pv9jh7o ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@50Steaks68 who is devs?
      What flaws?

  • @user-pn7jz9vr2z
    @user-pn7jz9vr2z ปีที่แล้ว +1394

    The amount of detail put into it is beyond impressive

  • @madhousediy5050
    @madhousediy5050 ปีที่แล้ว +1242

    A Pro-Soviet take from someone that lived in the USSR leading up to WWII is even more captivating. Read Anna Louise Strong’s “The Soviets Expected It”. She experienced a much different USSR than we understand in the US. She actually worked with Stalin and has another perspective.

    • @realsouljaboy3927
      @realsouljaboy3927 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      That book is very good I do recommend it aswell.

    • @me67galaxylife
      @me67galaxylife ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Captivating as in how delusional it is ?

    • @Derf1OO
      @Derf1OO ปีที่แล้ว +115

      @@me67galaxylife Could you elaborate?

    • @me67galaxylife
      @me67galaxylife ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@Derf1OO do i really need to elaborate on how a pro soviet take is bad ? even more so coming from one that worked with stalin ? really ? EDIT : i did elaborate for you lobotomized tankies that somehow need it right below in my other comments. stop pretending not to see it.

    • @G0TIMAN
      @G0TIMAN ปีที่แล้ว +158

      @@me67galaxylife great argument dude XD

  • @germanballmapping1962
    @germanballmapping1962 ปีที่แล้ว +1503

    This is basically "What if Stalin was actually good?" Lol

    • @Servus_Severin
      @Servus_Severin ปีที่แล้ว +32

      True

    • @dontforgettonerfthepig3322
      @dontforgettonerfthepig3322 ปีที่แล้ว +217

      Thing is, he was good

    • @germanballmapping1962
      @germanballmapping1962 ปีที่แล้ว +323

      @@dontforgettonerfthepig3322 ...

    • @Testingthisname
      @Testingthisname ปีที่แล้ว +301

      @@dontforgettonerfthepig3322 30 IQ take

    • @KozelPraiseGOELRO
      @KozelPraiseGOELRO ปีที่แล้ว +107

      He was autoritarian in the name of progress, it is harder to differenciate where the good part ends and the bad part starts. Maybe if he could live longer, he could get his redemption, hard times in the early Soviet Union gave no much option but terror as power.
      But at least we could have a kind of democracy we don't know today, as time passes and some descontent with the regime would be born in autoritarian states.
      I don't think it could be much worse than US interventions.

  • @rey_nemaattori
    @rey_nemaattori ปีที่แล้ว +602

    I doubt the US would keep pressing decolonization in a world where they're on par with the Soviets, knowing each independent state could easily fall under Soviet influence(as many did in our timeline) and swing the balance the wrong way.
    There was little chance for this in our timeline due to the dilapidated state of the Soviet economy(and a non-existent Chinese): the US could easily outbid any offer the Soviets made or use brute force if necessary and the half broken empires of Europe would pose no real threat to the USA. It would be far mor important to keep them allied and use their colonies as bases of operation, than force them to give up their colonies.

    • @mcjon5477
      @mcjon5477 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Based

    • @dechlancarr5775
      @dechlancarr5775 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      ​@@mcjon5477 difference between a cup of coffee and your opinion is I asked for coffee

    • @mcjon5477
      @mcjon5477 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      @@dechlancarr5775 bruh was I talking to you?

    • @Prororo
      @Prororo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The soviets had no problem until Gorbachev messed up

    • @boxcarz
      @boxcarz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dechlancarr5775 Oh, fuck off. People aren't allowed to be correct anymore?

  • @insectilluminatigetshrekt5574
    @insectilluminatigetshrekt5574 ปีที่แล้ว +248

    I think this is a really good scenario, but there is one major problem. Abolishing the SSRs would actually massively increase instability and probably cause multiple secessionist wars. Part of what made the soviet union so appealing to many of the people's of the country was that it ended the russian chauvinistic policies of the russian empire. Kazakhs had their own Kazakhstan, rather than just a few extra oblasts of Russia. Of course, how much the ussr actually adhered to this brotherhood of nationalities varied in practice depending on the time, but the fact is this system was key in winning over the non russian population.

    • @Username-je7of
      @Username-je7of 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      I was going to point that out. Imagine if Yugoslavia declared itself to be the "Croatian Republic", there'd likely be some tension. Although that comparison may have been a bit unfair, considering the differences in population.
      I thought PH was going to lead to the creation of practically autonomous or actually free regions in Central Asia, the Caucus, and the Baltics, + Ukraine.
      Although this is a great scenario and good food for thought otherwise!

    • @piyo744
      @piyo744 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      It's also weird that Stalin would do this, because Stalin was influential in making the USSR the... well, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. His treatise called "Marxism and the National Question" was very influential in Bolshevik thought. He was given the profile of the People's Commissar for Nationalities for this reason.

    • @cheetosjumboenjoyer6833
      @cheetosjumboenjoyer6833 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. The best option would be to keep the republics in name, but remove much of their powers to, as pointed out in the video, reduce infighting and corruption.

    • @ChrisKunix
      @ChrisKunix 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@cheetosjumboenjoyer6833 It is said in the original uncut version of the scenario that's in a link. Stalin's "autonomisation plan" is implement that the other Soviet republics would remain as autonomous units but Lenin was against this obviously as he saw it as inviting back Great Russian chauvinism and I doubt after the USSR was just made in the span of a few years that they would really want to do this, regardless of if Stalin got into power earlier. But to be honest, I still like a centralized state would've been better in certain respects.

    • @user-yn6kw5dl8k
      @user-yn6kw5dl8k หลายเดือนก่อน

      You don't need republics with constitutional sovereignty and right to exit your state to stop minorities from rebelling.

  • @lenoon3814
    @lenoon3814 ปีที่แล้ว +954

    What I really love about this scenario is just how many things have to go right for the Soviets for them to win the cold war

    • @notme8232
      @notme8232 ปีที่แล้ว +168

      Yeah, I felt like he was making a lot of heavyhanded changes, many of which would probably have happened anyway because of a butterfly effect.

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +283

      Well, as an author of the scenario, I will say
      A single change over the period of internal and external struggle of superpowers of 40 years wouldn't be enough, even with the wildest possible chain reaction, would not be enough to radically change the geopolitical course. A single change wouldn't be enough to make the superpower which experienced nothing but prosperity for 100 years collapse.

    • @concept5631
      @concept5631 ปีที่แล้ว +110

      The US outclasses the USSR to such a great extent that the Soviets outright winning the Cold War like the US did is almost impossible.

    • @marysartr
      @marysartr ปีที่แล้ว +59

      @@concept5631 no, that's not it, it's because the only real way to change geopolitics its drastically is to change a lot of things and not only one

    • @YaBoiBaxter2024
      @YaBoiBaxter2024 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@ivanserov1846 Eyyyyyyyyy :D

  • @tylerberks2756
    @tylerberks2756 ปีที่แล้ว +560

    Although they tend to be quite extreme and somewhat implausible scenarios compared to a lot of other alt history channels, your videos are really enjoyable! Keep it up!

    • @againsttheriver3657
      @againsttheriver3657 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      This is actually reaserched and detailed scenario instead of most of alt hist yourubers going "muh, evil USSR bad, no way they win"

    • @saccorhytus
      @saccorhytus ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Tbh this is probably a very realistic take

    • @againsttheriver3657
      @againsttheriver3657 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saccorhytus kinda

    • @againsttheriver3657
      @againsttheriver3657 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@saccorhytus it is more of a reality projection, which shows lack of deeper knowledge

    • @tableswithoutchairs1168
      @tableswithoutchairs1168 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@againsttheriver3657the guy said that this was like, a third of what was in the original document. There probably was deeper understanding but the video would have been too long if he included everything

  • @N00b0super
    @N00b0super ปีที่แล้ว +206

    The scenario is pretty good, but the idea of turning the entire USSR into RSFSR is a bit dumb. Stalin barely had to deal with national movements and taking away the (perceived, as there was barely any) autonomy would heavily hit the image of the USSR that he was trying to build. Moreover, the national republics inside of the USSR gave the country more representatives on the international stage, while still being controlled from Moscow.
    Respect for mentioning OGAS though

    • @possiblehistory
      @possiblehistory  ปีที่แล้ว +111

      Fully understand where you are coming from, but Stalin did actually plan to do this in our own timeline during Lenin's time, but he lost the internal struggle for centralization/decentralization. Stalin in 1924 going back on this debate would indeed be seen as a shock for the internal power dynamics in the newly established USSR, but if our timeline's Stalin came to power earlier this would actually have happened. Adding to this the national republics were only useful on the world stage starting with the UN post-WW2, so wouldn't impact his Stalin's decision making in the 1920s.

    • @AYANAMlREl
      @AYANAMlREl ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@possiblehistory stalin was a leninist and lenin believed in national self determination thus gave republics or autonomy to every minorty, stalin continued that, he wasn't even russian why would he want to unite every country under one republic

    • @Chikanuk
      @Chikanuk ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@AYANAMlREl Stalin was a "russian" in a way, in russian its translate in a 2 ways. Stalin was all about centralisation and "imperial glory", he was stricktly oppose any separatism in USSR, but in our timeline cannot abolish core movements. So yeah, PH idea in this video was very historical.

    • @AYANAMlREl
      @AYANAMlREl ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chikanuk okay now prove all of this shit that you made up. stalin was a leninist thus making him a believer of self determination and didn't abolish the republics that are created by lenin even though he could easily do that according to your perception of stalin's power.

    • @saccorhytus
      @saccorhytus ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@AYANAMlREl I guess he could create a new ethnicity/republic. Probably just make everyone a Soviet rather than a Russian

  • @hanzgezteflammenwerfer853
    @hanzgezteflammenwerfer853 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Joe Biden would be kinda sad idk

    • @Adriaticus
      @Adriaticus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      😢

  • @uncookedbacan
    @uncookedbacan ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This guy's FBI agent looking at his history.
    How does the soviet union works
    How to make communism work
    How to start a successful communist revolution in Iran
    How to start a successful Communist revolution in several African nations
    How to dissolve the US and turn half of it Communist
    How to spread communism in South America
    How to elect a Communist into France and the UK
    How to dissolve nato

    • @noobymooby-ty8gh
      @noobymooby-ty8gh หลายเดือนก่อน

      You do know that someone else made this scenario right?

  • @ivanserov1846
    @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +393

    Truly a glorious achievement of the Potential Proletariat.

    • @themrfredgold1891
      @themrfredgold1891 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Cool scenario. One question, how many people did ussr lost in ww2?

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@themrfredgold1891 OTL: 14 million civilians and around 12 million soldiers
      Pax Sovietica: 4 million civilians and around 5 million soldiers

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@themrfredgold1891 But q huge part of the losses came in Poland, whose population, especially a large portion of the jews were exterminated

    • @Sammyfarel
      @Sammyfarel ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@ivanserov1846 can you make the continuation of pax sovietica if you wanted, i read all the 92 pages for 8 Times because Its addicting maybe a continuation? From economic politics the situation in us an more. But if you wanted

    • @abvgded933
      @abvgded933 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@themrfredgold1891 USSR in WW2 was incompetent in the start of the war, most of the soldiers died as POWs. USSR didn’t know how to fight at summer. And who took berlin?

  • @user-kt4vn8le5p
    @user-kt4vn8le5p ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Not super realistic (there's no way removing Trotsky would prevent the infighting following Lenin's death) but this is a really fun and imaginative scenario.

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Well, I didn't said that the infighting are completely prevented, but they are instead much less intense.

    • @Mayabichi
      @Mayabichi ปีที่แล้ว

      The collapse of america seems ridiculous to me

    • @volumist
      @volumist ปีที่แล้ว +2

      By the fact with no Trotsky Stalin cannot get in power.

    • @poopman4263
      @poopman4263 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      even then, trotsky was extremely influential due to his many victories in the russian civil war, which granted him high status within the soviet government. Stalin was batshit crazy, nothing would change that. Due to stalin being coocoo for coco puffs, he would still purge a lot of the red army, as essentially anyone who even talked to trotsky was put on trial. And ofc changing who and who doesn’t get assassinated is stepping into the realm of fantasy. But still super interesting scenario, got me thinking abt how my life would be like in this world.

    • @volumist
      @volumist ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@poopman4263 History L.
      Generally you can say, that Trotsky was influential, until Stalin rose to power and took majority of the votes in the party, and started anti-trotskist campaign.

  • @amk4956
    @amk4956 ปีที่แล้ว +229

    I’m not typically a big fan of “great man” history but I’m curious on your take of a scenario if J. Edgar Hoover were to die or be taken down in the 30s. The guy was crucial for the anti worker and anti civil rights efforts of the FBI.
    Be interesting to see the American labor movement staying strong post 1970s

    • @southernlegends8594
      @southernlegends8594 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      He also may have had a hand in Kennedy being shot

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      He also took down Fascist cells and spies, KKK cells, armed militias, The Black Panthers, Black Supremacist/Separatists, Communist spies, Communist Party sympathizers, fought the Weather Underground, etc.
      Not a savory figure by any means, but I would definitely argue one that was necessary when it came to most of the people he was going after or simply monitoring.

    • @amk4956
      @amk4956 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 going after civil rights leaders, like telling MLK to kill himself, as well as the FBI likely the main player in the death of Fred Hampton, MLK, Malcom X and probably JFK was only possible under Hoovers fbi.
      The black panthers were peaceful btw. Not to mention this is supposed to be a free country, why did we purge communist and socialist from society? They were loyal to the republic during WW2

    • @longfineel2630
      @longfineel2630 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@robertortiz-wilson1588The black Panthers and the communists were great though? Those WERE the civil rights and workers movements.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@longfineel2630 the Black Panthers in the communist were scum of the Earth. Both thought the idealized goal was the USA getting overthrown or subverted into some sort of socialist state. I can support plenty of other civil rights groups and worker organizations (though definitely not always individual members) that don’t involve thuggish black panther separatist gangs and communists.

  • @helloworld-wy4vq
    @helloworld-wy4vq ปีที่แล้ว +167

    One part of this scenario that is unrealistic is the failed assassination of Kennedy. The problems caused by the Vietnam War were caused in a very large part by LBJ's ineffective policies, such as large scale involvement and conscription. If Kennedy lived, he would most likely have had 2 terms and his reforms of the US military would continue. Crucially, they would not draft large numbers for the war and would likely continue their much more successful policies and may even win. In addition, Kennedy was a VERY charismatic man, and would likely motivate America to push forwards in the space race, potentially allowing the US to win (though not necessarily). The prevention of his assassination would be a very large boon for the US, especially if they do not commit large numbers of troops and money to Vietnam. JFK after finishing his terms would likely continue to be a major voice in US politics, likely being a somewhat divisive but altogether stabilizing force in US politics for decades. I think that Kennedy has to be assassinated in this scenario, because in my opinion he is a key figure in history and preventing his assassination strengthens the United States.

    • @kingdedede333
      @kingdedede333 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      the cia killed jfk

    • @jeebusthegreat8819
      @jeebusthegreat8819 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      iirc this scenario has Goldwater winning in '64 and Goldwater absolutely would have done everything LBJ did

    • @endurovro
      @endurovro ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Only “one part” is unrealistic? If the Soviet Union won the civil war in that strong of a position, WWII would have been All of Europe vs the USSR with France and Britain not bothering to guarantee Poland just to support Germany against the USSR so Germany can contain the much more imminent communist threat doing the fighting for the West. The reason why the Western powers focused on Germany as a greater threat than the USSR in our timeline is due to how devastating the Civil War was for the USSR and not being able to win against Poland or fully annex Finland. Germany had the ability to threaten Britain and France but the USSR didn't yet, in this timeline they absolutely do.

    • @boxcarz
      @boxcarz ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@endurovro True, actually, I hadn't thought of that.

    • @saccorhytus
      @saccorhytus ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Kennedy actually supported the idea of a joint American-Soviet space program I believe

  • @zooman_expeditions8984
    @zooman_expeditions8984 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Thank you so much for posting weekly I am loving your videos! ❤

  • @JTL1776
    @JTL1776 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    @POSSIBLE HISTORY.
    What if america went full manifest destiny.
    Purchase of Greenland.
    Purchase and state hood of English carribean and English Belize and English Guyana.
    Purchase of western Canada.
    Annexation of northern Canada.

    • @MrAsianPie
      @MrAsianPie ปีที่แล้ว +23

      The dream....

    • @buzter8135
      @buzter8135 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Pax Americana

    • @JTL1776
      @JTL1776 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @MrAsianPie no the dream is Greenland to Panama. Plus, the islands in Mediterranean and South China sea

    • @JTL1776
      @JTL1776 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Edit not Annexation of northern canada
      Not Canada Typo meant mexico.

    • @attilawilhelmliubei8954
      @attilawilhelmliubei8954 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      would possibly make the philippine commonwealth a state

  • @darkbrightnorth
    @darkbrightnorth ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Amazing scenario and content! I’m a writer and I’ve been wanting to branch into alt history for a while and watching your videos I increasing want to do this. Great work as always.

  • @-.blake.-
    @-.blake.- ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Loving the longer videos as of late :)

  • @metro-policegaming6985
    @metro-policegaming6985 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is one of The Best what if Cold wat scenario i have ever seen Comrade Seraph did a great job Bravo👏

  • @theactingace
    @theactingace ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I was thinking of a scenario a while ago where no war no peace didn’t occur. So cool to see it in an actual video

  • @Dusceonia5165
    @Dusceonia5165 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Instead of calling it the ''Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic'' It should be called ''Socialist Republic of Eurasia'' That would've been a better name.

    • @octavianusLeEmperorid6os
      @octavianusLeEmperorid6os 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes but it would be a much more unrealistic name

    • @breathair69420
      @breathair69420 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yeah. And Stalin was Georgian. Why would he want to make it all about Russia.

    • @BadBame962
      @BadBame962 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Literally 1984

  • @savagedarksider
    @savagedarksider ปีที่แล้ว +113

    What if Rudolf, crown prince of Austria -Hungary didn't commit suicide ?
    What if Catherine the Great had intervene on the side of the British during the American revolution ?
    What if Mary I had given birth to A son ?
    What if Edward V had lived ?

    • @benjaminbethell8912
      @benjaminbethell8912 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I like the Russia helping England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 in the us revolution

    • @wilhelmbaur
      @wilhelmbaur ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly I think Catherine The Great siding with The 13 colonies Is more realistic. Catherine The Great did NOT like the British and even illegally sent the 13 colonies trade goods during the blockade of Boston. Catherine The Great also increased trade with America over Britian and made It clear to America they favored them over the British. The POD (Point Of Divergence) for this scenario would probably be either Catherine The Great just really wants to get revenge on the British, Russia joins Amerixa when France and Spain join, or Britain goes to war with Russia because they defied Britain.

    • @alexthedemon2203
      @alexthedemon2203 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@benjaminbethell8912 so you don't want Americans to have freedom?

    • @dontforgettonerfthepig3322
      @dontforgettonerfthepig3322 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@alexthedemon2203 so you support British separatists?

    • @redellafestafd1084
      @redellafestafd1084 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL
      no USA = no problems
      It would have happened if the tsars were actually smart

  • @skeletonkeysproductionskp
    @skeletonkeysproductionskp ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Brilliant video bro, Ive been binging your videos recently (although have forgotten to comment on all), but keep up the great work! Cant wait for us to collab like we planned!

  • @aaronTGP_3756
    @aaronTGP_3756 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    One of the best written Alternate Histories I've ever seen. Good job, Serov.

  • @supercraig89day
    @supercraig89day 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This scenario genuinely scared me… which means you did a good job

  • @Cdgaming4U
    @Cdgaming4U 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was a really cool scenario! I can really tell the creator put a lot of thought into making it believable but engaging

  • @williandarosa5485
    @williandarosa5485 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ok. This video single-handely convinced me to subscribe to this channel

  • @pixeltine6886
    @pixeltine6886 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This the best scenario ever, i wish there was a hoi4 mod about this cause gooodamm Serov possible history you guys out did yourselves.👍

    • @mappingshaman5280
      @mappingshaman5280 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Look up red world fan fork. Roughly the same scenario as the end of the video is established in that mod.

    • @kv2games1414
      @kv2games1414 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hoi 4 iron curtain has left the chat

  • @pojnacoviceaproductions514
    @pojnacoviceaproductions514 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cool video, will defiantly read the full scenario!

  • @JaiKarpe-jv2gj
    @JaiKarpe-jv2gj 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the most detailed alternate history video's I've ever seen. Big thanks to Comrade Serov and Possible History

  • @briangithinji8901
    @briangithinji8901 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Love your videos. The alternative history is so well developed and thought out.
    The creation of the Russian Federation would have solved a lot of future headaches for the leaders and unite the different peoples without the need to relocate families. Bigger population, bigger workforce.
    Having no purge might change the dynamics of the Red Army. It would be a large, well led juggernaut. The German attack might be bogged down faster than in our current lifetime, the army being led by competent and capable soldiers.

    • @pasindupereraSL
      @pasindupereraSL ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Before the purges, it was said that the red army was the largest and one of the most advanced armies in the world due to its experiences in the civil war and reconquests. The german attack would have definitely been bogged down early one. One thing people should realize is how different the cold war would have been if 1. Stalin didn't do the purges and 2. If stalin was more proactive in stopping the german invasion (in our timeline stalin refused to believe the germans would invade at the time.) If those two options the soviets would have experienced a less destructive world war 2 and would have had not have a huge hit to their homeland cities and demographics. That was the main issue during the cold war where the USSR didn't properly invest to rebuild after WW2 and instead spent more on the cold war, while the US only had pearl harbor.

    • @casualjoe1264
      @casualjoe1264 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@pasindupereraSL Wait, you're saying that killing all of your generals because you had a bad dream ISNT a good idea? Man I gotta rethink life after this

    • @pasindupereraSL
      @pasindupereraSL ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@casualjoe1264 I know right? Who would have guessed.

    • @christianmeyer3622
      @christianmeyer3622 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Only that it's questionable whether Germany had invaded in 1941 under these circumstances. One major reason why Hitler rushed that invasion instead of using these resources against Great Britain and trying to end the war in the West first was the embarassment and self-humiliation Russia inflicted on themselves in the Winter War.
      If they had looked halfway competent there things might have gone very very different...

    • @pasindupereraSL
      @pasindupereraSL ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@christianmeyer3622 True, if those circumstances were there though, it would only mean that the longer germany waits, the more of a threat the soviets would be. Prior to ww2, the soviet population was increasing. I believe it was just about to go into the range of 200 million. The soviets with a combination of a fully developed industry/ economy and a massive population to utilize the endless natural resources would have been unstoppable.
      Thats why for me personally, I see Russia as potentially the bigger threat to the US hegemony (Of course anything can happen as politics is unpredictable). Because russia has the unlimited resources, if it focused more at home to build its industry and economy like Stalin did, and boost its population, it would be a bigger threat. The thing with China is that, while it has money and people, it doesn't have those vast resources. Especially with the situation of the change in our climates, it will be interesting to see how Russia and China come out of this.

  • @manwe5387
    @manwe5387 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like this scenario, mad respect!

  • @itapi697
    @itapi697 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I really enjoyed the video.

  • @Joleyn-Joy
    @Joleyn-Joy ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Except that by any metric the USSR planned economy was able to rebuild everything pretty fast. The problem never was the USSR economy but rather the fact that the US wasn't destroyed during ww2 like the USSR was.

    • @tetraxis3011
      @tetraxis3011 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes

    • @IamaCosmonaut
      @IamaCosmonaut 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      While not getting bombed did help USA massively, the problem with USSR was that after the rebuilding their planned economy stagnated for decades. It's easy to plan the rebuilding of something that already existed, while it's pretty damn hard to plan wide scale innovation to prevent your economy from stagnating.

    • @bernardocampos8363
      @bernardocampos8363 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@IamaCosmonautthe ussr did manage to do that in the first wave of industrialization and they would have been able to do it continuously if it had not been for the absolute disaster that was the eastern front

  • @billcarlton7358
    @billcarlton7358 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    What a fantastic scenario! So well thought out and justified.

    • @libertarian_man
      @libertarian_man ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Those Soviet had extreme plot armor💀

    • @noobymooby-ty8gh
      @noobymooby-ty8gh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@libertarian_manthe same can be said for america if you put your logic into OTL.

  • @crusader2112
    @crusader2112 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This was excellent. Also, a novel set in this world would be interesting. Keep up the great work and Peace. ✌🏻

    • @yeetyeet5079
      @yeetyeet5079 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe it could take place during the 2nd American civil war from the perspective of a Soviet soldier that is helping the west coast communists

  • @thecommunitygiants4485
    @thecommunitygiants4485 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm really enjoying these alternative scenarios

  • @dyllanwoolston5546
    @dyllanwoolston5546 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really do love ur work keep it up

  • @yesno3621
    @yesno3621 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    its kinda shocking how good of a industrialist Stalin was

  • @Natpad_027
    @Natpad_027 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    @Possible History
    I feel like the fact that there was no territoriale compensation for the east in poland or no agreement between poland and the soviets about the eastern border (which also failed irl), because protests in poland and its independence was one of the main reasons for the fall of the eastern block. I feel like in an alt timeline where the soviets didnt lose that hard against poland the tensions between the states would have been way less. So I could imagine a less paranoid stalin could come to some agreements.
    Idk this would kinda fit to the theme of the soviets not making the mistakes they made. What are your thoughts on this.

  • @Copyright_Infringement
    @Copyright_Infringement ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "To make the Soviets win, give Stalin more power and make the union explicitly Russian and not a union anymore"
    I feel like this isn't very realistic, but cool video anyway

    • @quantisticman8415
      @quantisticman8415 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea,the best way to make the Soviet Union win the cold war is giving Trotsky the power

    • @americanmapping832
      @americanmapping832 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@quantisticman8415Trotsky was the idiot that let Germany take soo much land in ww1.
      The soviet union would not only be weaker under him, but would make stupid decisions

    • @FerdarPleaseSubscribe
      @FerdarPleaseSubscribe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@americanmapping832 That was just one decision, and the USSR didnt have any other option

    • @americanmapping832
      @americanmapping832 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FerdarPleaseSubscribe that one decision cemented him as an idiot who couldn't be allowed to lead.
      And yes there was another option. Do literally anything but what he did.
      Preferably, agree to the peace terms.

    • @FerdarPleaseSubscribe
      @FerdarPleaseSubscribe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@americanmapping832 It was just one bad decision amongst countless genius decisions, after all he led the Bolsheviks to victory in the civil war

  • @user-bj7uo9rv2f
    @user-bj7uo9rv2f ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for a vid ❤

  • @dimadima9693
    @dimadima9693 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The USSR's victory in World War II alone surpasses all the victories of all countries in history combined. It was unprecedented in scale and unprecedented in the benefits gained. It’s interesting if this is considered on a par with the Russian-Georgian conflict, which lasted 6 days.

  • @themayorofmayonnaise4533
    @themayorofmayonnaise4533 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Very refreshing to hear an alt history TH-camr be actually knowledgeable about Stalin, especially his later plans for the ussr.

    • @remington2216
      @remington2216 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What would you recommend to read to know about stalin?

    • @volumist
      @volumist ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@remington2216 I would recommend to find information about how he wanted to relocate supply routes and build forest-lines to prevent drought and famines. Stalin wasn't really a fan of making people suffer from hunger, he was likely to not care about farmers and peasants until the end of the war.

    • @obsessivefanboy
      @obsessivefanboy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@remington2216"Another View of Stalin" by Ludo Martens and "History and Critique of a Black Legend" by Domenico Losurdo would be good books on Stalin

  • @USSFFRU
    @USSFFRU ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Y'know this channel is pretty underrated, I love your content man!

  • @Bandit-gg1rh
    @Bandit-gg1rh ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Konstantin Semin part made me laugh real good

  • @volumist
    @volumist ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love how it's all serious and invested and then I hear "funny mustache man happens"

  • @peshobg5560
    @peshobg5560 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Perfect, one word - PERFECT

  • @erictroxell715
    @erictroxell715 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent job!!!

  • @RandyMCPEmaster
    @RandyMCPEmaster ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is so detailed man, maybe someone should make this scenario a HOI4 mod

  • @sharkentist1232
    @sharkentist1232 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Don’t threaten me with a good time

  • @elainetamika4822
    @elainetamika4822 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It's was funny to watch, but you are simply using U.S format to reflect it on CCCP. At the end i can't see Soviets caring much about the multipolarism in the same way the U.S hegemom does, since internationalism is pretty much one of the basics communism ideology. In a way it's not about win aganist other nations but aganist the ideology of imperialism.

  • @leonardodarida3938
    @leonardodarida3938 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nice work and video

  • @Atomicgaming587
    @Atomicgaming587 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good video!

  • @charlestonianbuilder344
    @charlestonianbuilder344 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think the UK would be with the commonwealth and build it up stronger after having a rift due to the falkland islands with America, and acting as its own neutral faction.

    • @jihangirastra3851
      @jihangirastra3851 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The sues crisis already proved by then that the UK could no longer function without American financial assistance. With the shared culture as cushioning, there is little the Uk could do to move away from American control in this scenario

  • @Saint_Eight
    @Saint_Eight ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think it would be cool if we saw a what if about Winston Churchill growing up in America

  • @notsostealthmission5184
    @notsostealthmission5184 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I seriously want to see a sequel for this tbh

  • @jeeves8742
    @jeeves8742 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid 🎉

  • @aaronTGP_3756
    @aaronTGP_3756 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It seems all the pictures in Serov's document are missing.

  • @lukedufaur5368
    @lukedufaur5368 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why would there be a war in Afghanistan? The reason for the war in our timeline was opposition by the Soviet revisionists to the "hardline" anti-revisionist Afghani government. Specifically the hardline "Khalqist" faction had overthrown the Soviet aligned "Parcham" faction. But in this timeline, where the revisionist forces headed by Khrushchev never take control of the USSR, the Khalqists would naturally align themselves with the USSR in the first place, leading to no war.

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I didn't know this, where can I find out more?

  • @kj07video
    @kj07video 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Even though this is a cliche scenario this absolutely amazing

  • @The_whales
    @The_whales 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    After watching the what if everything went perfect videos, this user suggestion is basically that but under a different name

  • @Robinspiderman2
    @Robinspiderman2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Feels like in a strategy games where even when different leaders get elected they still do the same things

  • @PrettierNPastel
    @PrettierNPastel ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This was great

    • @Kropotkino
      @Kropotkino 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hehehaha

  • @Frederik-VIII
    @Frederik-VIII ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hi
    Love your vids!

  • @11hunter22
    @11hunter22 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What an interesting and refreshing scenario.

  • @romawar
    @romawar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I am russian communist. The Constantin Syomin line just killed me💀💀💀

    • @dis99n64
      @dis99n64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      в СССР запретят игры?

    • @romawar
      @romawar 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@dis99n64 Да

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Я как автор под конец решил: А че нет, Костя умелые журналист, демагог, знает как работать с людьми, как манипулировать, если пойдёт в партийную политику, то успех ему будет.

  • @MigSozi
    @MigSozi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    A realistic and ideal scenario looking at a bright future for the people!

  • @uhh...1651
    @uhh...1651 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think that person (creator of the scenario, not the video itself) also forgot that after annexing Finland soviets now have more frontlines (additional frontline in Finland-Norway border) but, probably, Germany thought that terrible climate and supply issues won't let the soviets to advance to Norway and take really important port of Narvik. Unluckily for germans, the Soviets are attacking and advancing really well, capturing Narvik and disrupting their iron trade with Sweden, what causes a lot of problems for them. After soviets captures all of Norway, Germany must use all of their fleet to support naval superiority on Northern and Baltic seas, if they don't want for soviets landing in Schleswig-Holstein or Denmark.
    Also Soviets can Try to invade Hokkaido after capturing Karafuto and Kuril islands. As United States are still trying to capture islands like Iwo Jima or Okinawa, soviets are advancing into Japan, probably taking Hokkaido from them and turning them to the puppet after the war aswell.

  • @Cragnock
    @Cragnock 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this was really great

  • @rzu1474
    @rzu1474 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I really like this scenario.
    It does sell how the US might lose well.
    Especially the Mexico intervention and following guerilla war there that does nothing but bleed America of money.
    Sort of like Afghanistan for the Soviets.
    It's still a little far-fetched, but no side is acting like to big idiots.

  • @Atykhros
    @Atykhros 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Basically "How to make Whatifalthist dies of cringe"

    • @jolt9484
      @jolt9484 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      That's a bad thing??

    • @Atykhros
      @Atykhros 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jolt9484 no its a good thing infact

    • @jolt9484
      @jolt9484 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Atykhros 100% Facts and true.

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jolt9484 Glad we're all in agreement

  • @mike7671
    @mike7671 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very good!

  • @trgethan2470
    @trgethan2470 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very Nice Video

  • @white-bellycat8245
    @white-bellycat8245 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I saw Konstantin Semin as the leader of the USSR, I had a good laugh.

  • @sgx9874
    @sgx9874 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I dont see how the US just collapses, the US has a far more stable political system than the soviet union ever did, in fact they have one of the most stable political systems in the world with a 250 year continuous run of presidents and governemnt from its inception, something few other major powers can say aside from Britain itself.
    they also didnt have to deal with any major wars or conflict on their soil, or mass famine, genocide, starvation or any of that sort.
    Put it simply, there was less to be discontent about, and there was no reason to overthrow the government when you can just elect a new one.
    Plus they also werent a repressive, totalitarian regime that relied military force to keep people in line.

    • @chrisgaming9567
      @chrisgaming9567 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "I dont see how the US just collapses, the US has a far more stable political system than the soviet union ever did"
      This is true, the video should've focused more on revolutionary movements in the US and what events could've turned things more in their favour.
      "with a 250 year continuous run of presidents and governemnt from its inception"
      Not how I'd describe it, considering that there was a civil war midway through that.
      "they also didnt have to deal with any major wars or conflict on their soil, or mass famine, genocide, starvation or any of that sort."
      Take out the "genocide" bit and this is true.
      "there was no reason to overthrow the government when you can just elect a new one."
      That's not how capitalist politics works. Although, the fact so much of the working class believed this probably played a big role.
      "Plus they also werent a repressive, totalitarian regime that relied military force to keep people in line."
      I wish they weren't.

  • @ColinLack
    @ColinLack ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I liked this! I am curious what would be happening in Canada?

    • @blizyon30fps86
      @blizyon30fps86 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canada would be desperate since the fall of the us would leave Canada unprotected and their economy in ruin, so they would turn to soviet aid much like europe

    • @ivanserov1846
      @ivanserov1846 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As author of the scenario, 3 way polarization
      Eastern coast sees many American refugees, with region getting more and more right wing
      The center in Ottawa, trying a balance line between America and RSFSR
      And Quebec, drifting more and more towards Socialism
      Civil War is around the corner

  • @Walter_Wide
    @Walter_Wide 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    stalin breathes...
    MASSIVELY SUCESSFUL

  • @gustavosauro1882
    @gustavosauro1882 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I feel like the Soviet Union taking Alaska is too much. But other than that, it's a great scenario.

    • @user-yx1wp2bl8d
      @user-yx1wp2bl8d 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@yanniskarageorgiou6947Wow i really wanted to know thatin this video about the cold war and the USSR

    • @purpleblastoise
      @purpleblastoise 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Independent Alaska because it's big enough to be its own country.

  • @Maxfromohio2155
    @Maxfromohio2155 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a nice video

  • @hollisholmes8091
    @hollisholmes8091 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But for suggestion of your own content I think it'd be cooler if you made more North American what if content like what if Texas remained independent and became backed by France and joined the side of the Confederacy possibly involving France in the American civil war and then possibly having a stronger Mexico join the side of the US possibly creating a alternate first world war ?

  • @christopherhobbs7959
    @christopherhobbs7959 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Alternate Title: What if stalin was less concerned about political opponents

    • @pee_0656
      @pee_0656 ปีที่แล้ว

      Easy, then USSR falls after a coup and becomes revisionist way earlier with a socdem type of politics or even a full restoration of capitalism which would be 90s but 60 years earlier

  • @ggexgaming6020
    @ggexgaming6020 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This entire video is just me doing the walter White Fall every five seconds😭😭💀

  • @mrkrazy_kng
    @mrkrazy_kng ปีที่แล้ว

    love the video

  • @jasoncuculo7035
    @jasoncuculo7035 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this!

  • @Qumach
    @Qumach 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Man, this ai geopolitic creepy pasta be trippin me out 😂 but the line about the KGB becoming an anti-corruption institution had me in stitches

    • @user-yx1wp2bl8d
      @user-yx1wp2bl8d 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ai?

    • @IamaCosmonaut
      @IamaCosmonaut 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @user-yx1wp2bl8d Considering how ridiculous and unrealistic the events in this scenario are, it might aswell be written by AI.

  • @reddertreddington195
    @reddertreddington195 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    reagan gets assassinated: the good ending

  • @MineONite
    @MineONite 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    “What if everything went perfect” before “what if everything went perfect for”

  • @BlindingSign151
    @BlindingSign151 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    irl the collapse of the soviets was kinda equally split between american strength and soviet instability (55/45) but in this scenario it’s mainly the eagle’s instability prob (like 85% instability vs 15% soviet strenght boost)

  • @fluttzkrieg4392
    @fluttzkrieg4392 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'd speaking Russian instead of English as a second language right now.

  • @thattubechannel
    @thattubechannel ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Slight correction. The Republicans were largely in support of civil rights bills leading up to the the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Kennedy actually represented a change internally within the Democrat party on the issue of civil rights. What Kennedy's assassination did was force the national Democrat party to rally in relative unity on several issues, including then civil rights.
    I don't see how the successes of the Soviets would have prevented Kennedy's assassination, but even if it did it wouldn't have changed much regarding civil rights and racial tensions. The broad public support Kennedy is _seen_ as having is actually a result of the assassination. At the time of his re-election wasn't guaranteed. It is entirely possible that without his assassination he loses re-election, and that without passing a civil rights bill the Democrats lose one or two national elections. But the national Dems would fairly quickly change their position on civil rights as the opinions of Americans were changing on the issue. As LBJ saw it, it was simply electorally untenable to be in support or even just neutral towards segregation just to keep some Southern Democrat politicians happy.
    In order for there be significant tensions around the change of Kennedy's assassination: Kennedy would have to lose re-election > the Dems take that as meaning a pro-civil rights stance is not worth it > National Dems double down on ambiguity on civil rights > Dems lose several elections > poor Southern Democrat workers feel alienated from their national party and from the wider country > dissident Southern Dems are funded by the Soviets and link up with other dissident worker movements in Northern cities.
    But that's just trying to make Kennedy not being assassinated significant in the way you want it to be.

  • @Robert_L_Peters
    @Robert_L_Peters ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @vaporcranberries
    @vaporcranberries ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an amazing scenario

  • @josefdrapak1889
    @josefdrapak1889 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have to wonder if Japan would really be left untouched by the USSR in this scenario lol

  • @oskaranddaniel7582
    @oskaranddaniel7582 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So Canada is basically just Belarus in this timeline

  • @Mobchib
    @Mobchib 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    are you going to do a viewer senario contest again

  • @TheArgonaut540
    @TheArgonaut540 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:16, What if Yugoslavia was actually just an inland sea?