i got confused from the start. i thought the enemy vessel was a submarine. as they scramble to battle stations, THEY WERE the submarine and the enemy was a ship. zzzz and when they fired two torpedo they were already submerged, but after they miss they closed the hatch and starts submerging. arrrggg
" i thought the enemy vessel was a submarine" - so did the Silverside's crew....that's what the narrator said. "and when they fired two torpedo they were already submerged" - ya it looks like the sub was submerged during the torpedo launch animation (continuity error there....though it's possible they were just semi-submerged with just the con tower above surface, it's hard to tell in that short animation), but they actually fired the torpedoes while still on the surface (and then submerged afterwards).
Russ G Thank you. Got guys in the comments doing the most. Occams Razor for the win. Edit: Sorry I think this is just a bit off. It's rapid depression and water displacement doing the trick. Like holding a rubber band under tension, and releasing it. The rubber band in this sense is the hull, the bombs are releasing it.
itsmemaario might be my favorite movie of all time I watch the directors cut once every year or two once it’s been long enough that I can’t predict every single tiny detail
Submarine crews aren't just volunteers, but are carefully psychologically screened before being accepted - even in WWII. You're in a cramped tube in close quarters and stressful conditions, and it's tough work.
Yatharth Pandey it was nerve wracking. You can’t see the enemy but you can definitely hear them if your the hydrophone operator. Anxiety gets even worse when you notify the sub’s captain that you hear splashes...
My great grandfather served on a WW2 submarine, they got depth charged by a German destroyer. The depth charges never hit the hull of the submarine. They explosions were powerful enough to break his jaw. His crew mate bit half of his tongue off because he braced himself near a dry valve and the shock waves traveled through his body and slammed his mouth shut. It's so psychologically terrifying that guys on submarines in WW2 have been driven to suicide from it.
My grandad was in the merchant fleet when the war broke out, and the day the Germans occupied his country (Denmark) he was on his way to Liverpool, where he volunteered for the Royal Navy upon arrival. He ended up serving on a destroyer, and when he was still alive, he told me how they hunted U-boats back then - when they set out on patrol, he told me, they always had the deck covered in barrels of green paint. When they got a hydrophone contact, they'd slowly circle the area above the German U-boat, in a spiral pattern while they poured paint over the side. Then when the submarine came up to periscope depth to take a look, the paint would cover the periscope lens. The germans, looking through their periscope would think they were still underwater and keep rising. Then when the U-boat had reached a height of about 150m they'd shoot it down with anti aircraft guns.:-)
@@XiyuYang Obviously, he clearly says the U-boat thought they were still underwater and kept rising to 150m above the surface. They're so much easier to take down this way.
@@XiyuYang No, the submarine tought it was still underwater and kept rising up to 150m out of the water. It's a very common strategy againts submarines.
Initially the Japanese were setting the depths on their depth charges too shallow, enabling some of the US Subs to escape. This interesting fact was broadcast by a US Politician to the press, whereupon the Japanese corrected their deficiency, and the US Submariners became the Silent Service ever after.
This video never answered the question of "why depth charges don't have to touch a submarine to sink it". I believe the answer is - that water is non-compressible. SO, water is very efficient at propagating the shockwave from the depthcharge explosion to the surrounding area. btw - the air inside the sub WILL compress.
I went to the USS Silverside museum in muskegon Michigan, it was huge compared to a German U boat exhibit in Chicago i saw. Another cool thing about the Silverside was how it remained almost untouched since the war and had levers that could still activate the sub.
Agu Obiakor I did and most of those charges exploded within 10meters of the U boat (not submarine as you wrongly propose) (lol) and not a single thing happens to it. So how does the title relate to the video?
Hydrostatic pressure from a "near miss" will do more damage than a direct hit. This advice from a Naval officer to U.S. Army General William "Billy" Mitchell led to the successful sinking of the German battleship "Ostfriesland" by aircraft in July, 1921.
Alex Thoppil - The Ostfriesland was an obsolete pile of junk from 1908. It was a coal-fueled ship, with oil sprayed on the coal beginning in 1915. It was used by the US Navy to test new bombing techniques. The new generation of warships were oil fueled. No coal fueled navy could stand a chance against oil burners. Germany was very restricted in the kinds and size of warships allowed following their thorough trouncing in WWI. Apparently they hadn't had enough as they soon began building a new modern navy at first within the restrictions. As time went by they came to realize that none of the Allied powers were willing to enforce the restrictions.
5 years on a fast attack in the 80s were the proudest of my life. Best crew of guys I have ever served with. WWII steel boaters are the real deal heroes.
Ideal depth charge placement was one to either side of the pressure hull, where the colliding shock waves had greatly increased combined power exerted against the hull. The 'hedgehog' type of system benefitted greatly from that effect, with each charge's smaller amount of explosive than the larger, conventional depth charges.
"Hedgehogs" were required to actually come in contact with the target to detonate, which allowed a much smaller charge of explosives. Depth Charges depend on being very close, and the incompressibility of liquids to virtually crush an Air-Filled container. The real benefit was that the disturbances created by Depth Charges and Cavitation from the Attacking ship's screws, which interfered with SONAR detection, became less of an issue.
In the movies the sub always comes to periscope depth and fires two torpedoes "right down the throat" of the oncoming Jap destroyer. In reality it's a bad move. Little chance of hitting a fast-moving, maneuverable, and relatively small target and if you miss he's going to unload the whole rack right on top of you.
@@austindorf83 If they fire underwater the torpedoes would just float upwards. World War 2 submarines were designed specifically to hit targets on the surface. To keep the shot straight you would also need to surface to fire well. Firing a shot that is completely submerged you would need to tilt the submarine at the perfect angle to hit the target which is horribly, horribly difficult with their technology and mathematics. They would need to make their plot tables and graphs manually because their practices mostly deal with 2 dimensional firing (the surface) not 3 dimensions. It's a battle of weaponized math! Think of doing basic trigonometry and then throw in underwater physics, fast moving ships, and some very unusual arc patterns, not to mention you can't see the enemy at all so you have to guess where they go! That is how difficult a 3-dimensional World War 2 underwater battle seems to be to me.
Hail Jigglypuff You have no idea what you are talking about. The Japanese and Germans both used three-axis controlled torpedoes that used propulsion systems that wouldn’t create bubbles on the surface. They were completely submerged from fire to detonation. Not to mention trigonometry has been around for over 2000 years. Do a little research before you vomit some nonsense on the internet.
Sonny I replied with the lyrics of "bloodhound gang" the discovery Channel song(forgot the name) It says you sunk my battleship and proceeds to the 2 lines I wrote
I can't even begin to imagine the terror of knowing that any second a depth charge could tear open the side of your submarine and drown everyone inside.
It's possible he was completely exhausted (No sleep for a while due to constant action). When you don't sleep for extended periods, eventually your body will crash and force you to sleep through pretty much anything (speaking from experience of pulling all nighters in college) or maybe he was that deep of a sleeper :p This is my guess but this could just be the show portraying something inaccurately too.
It was standard procedure for the crew to lie in their racks(beds) while the sub was being hunted. The more you move the more oxygen you consume. Normally when a sub was being attacked by surface vessels, the only means of survival was to stay under and have all nonessential equipment shut off to conserve battery life. Crew members to lie down to save oxygen and just wait for the enemy to either run out of depth charges or have last contact with you.
Matthew Family torpedos are dangerous and faulty in ww2. Some were big and heavy and have long range and almost undetectable, and some comes back to the submarine that launched them and eventually destroy it(sorry for my English, I m a Chinese)
A submarine is made of steel and is painted with marine paint. If not painted it would rust rapidly in salt water. They, like all oceangoing ships and boats, are drydocked when they need to be painted below the water line. Aluminum alloy ships are painted as well. Salt water eats aluminum very rapidly. Ships also have electrolytic protection from corrosion.
Because u boats hull had smaller surface area. And in general german u boats could dive deeper way deeper while US sub dive about 110m german one could 180 easily. Probably because they were smaller
Found a citating form source. Its comparing Type VIIC against Gato class Under the water, the German boats take the lead. The smaller VIIC had greater maneuverability, quietness, and greater diving depth. But, though greater depth seems a good advantage, it was actually more important to be able to submerge quickly than deeply. Most U-boats were destroyed on the surface or just under it, not at great depth. But still, the VIIC could submerge quicker than a Gato, but not by much: a well trained crew could get a Gato under in 35 seconds, vs maybe 20 or so for a U-boat. 'Under' was 60 ft for a Gato, and 45ft for a VIIC, due to the different sizes of the boats.
As for mechanical systems, again a clear German lead. German sonar, optics (periscopes), machinery, from hull construction to engine design, was ahead of the Americans. The Germans even had schnorkels, though in reality the schnorkel was not very useful. A sub using a schnorkel could only make 4 or 5 knots and was blind (periscope and sonar unuseable).
There is only one last category, but in some ways, the most important: electronics. Here the US boats enjoyed a huge, decisive, and commanding difference. US boats were equipped with a variety of radars, radar detectors, jammers, and communication devices that U-boaters could only dream of. At a time when U-boat commanders were struggling with makeshift detectors (that didn't work) made from wood, string, and wire, US boats sported a veritable forest of antennas off of their periscope shears. While U-boats were always at the electronic disadvantage to allied ASW, the opposite was true of US Gato boats fighting the Japanese. When many allied ASW ships had radar, Doenitz still claimed radar was impossible to mount on ships (let alone aircraft). When Allied ships were using direction finding to home in on U-boat radios, Doenitz claimed this was impossible. But most of all, the US boats had highly effective radar (the SJ) and very effective radar detectors. This offset all the disadvantages above, including slow diving times (radar gives better warning times), bad optics (use radar in attacks), etc. Towards the end, US boats even got the ST periscope mounted radar - one radar 'ping' and you have the exact range to the target - far offsetting any disadvantage in night attack scope design, and taking the guesswork out of attack solutions. And, of course, the US boat's radio codes were not compromised, while the U-boat 'Ultra' was read with increasing ease as the war dragged on. Many, (most?) U-boats were defeated electronically, by enigma intercepts, direction finding on radio emissions, or radar detection. The allies' complete mastery of the electromagnetic spectrum over the U-boat is the major reason for their defeat, a huge factor in the US subs victory over Japan, and the major difference between the US boats and the U-boats in combat effectiveness.
According to Cmdr. Beech Japanese depth charges when deployed the crew would hear a "click" then the "wham" of the explosion itself. The spacing between these 2 sounds could tewll you how close the charge was. The closer they were, the closer the depth charge was.
Well if they were the Mark 14s that the US had for part of the war, then they might just be. That model of torpedo could be said to technicallly have a failure rate of over 100%, because usually multiple things went wrong. There was one US submarine fired nearly a dozen at a Japanese vessel, including some fired directly amidships after the first ones had managed to disable it, but it still wasn't sunk, largely due to failures to detonate. The reason it wasn't a full dozen fired is that apparently the sub captain chose to take his last remaining torpedo on board back to the US, presumably with the intentions of beating the Bureau of Ordinance around the head with it since they insisted the mark 14s worked perfectly.
I tell you one thing, when you hear those damn Charges going off around you, NOBODY IS AN ATHEIST!, everyone's praying to every single god they could think of!
fun fact if they were deep enough (they probably weren't at that point) once the hull was pierced the air in the sub would be instantly compressed to the point of ignition (due to the water pressure) and you would be dead before you even knew what happened
lol my teacher also talked about that, instead he says how whenever a plane is experiencing bad turbulence, even atheist might be praying to god to stop the turbulence
For anyone who cares to go on a WW2 submarine , the German sub U-505 is in The Museum of Science and Industry , in Chicago. This sub is in excellent shape and very interesting. Also view "Europa the last battle" , on Bitchute.
burt panzer That's exactly why it's energy transfer. It doesn't compress it doesn't absorb energy...meaning it transfers all the kinetic energy of the blast into the hull of the sub. It's the same reasoning why modern vehicles' crumple zones save lives in an accident.
It has nothing to do with compression, the explosion creates a vacuum which is so powerful that when it collapses it rips the ship apart. See USS Cole as example.
The explosion does not create a vacuum. It is a shock wave, a compression wave if you must. A shock wave is just a compression wave moving faster than the speed of sound in its medium. The fact that water does not compression essentially means the shock wave blasts the water at the submarine like a brick wall (which is why they say "like a hammer").
The Silversides is docked in Muskegon, Michigan. They used to have tours and weekend overnights where the “crew” brings a pizza dinner and shows WWII sub movies.
Fun fact: USS jacksonville was purposely depth charged by the US Navy for studying I've met someone who was on board. I've seen videos of steel beams strong enough to support an f350 bend and warp. Pretty insane the amount of energy from a depth charge.
Hey, was this ship stationed at a museum in Michigan? I remember visiting a USS silver sides when I was in cub scouts. I think that it was In muskegon.
The USS Silversides was turned into a museum and you can book overnight stays on it. I slept on it with my Boy Scout troop several years back. It’s parked in Muskegon, MI.
I got to spend a night on silversides when I was in boyscouts it was at a naval museum on lake Michigan sleeping next to a disabled torpedo one of my favorite experiences would totally do it again if given the chance when we stayed onboard it was in the final stages of restoration
You know the ironic part for war is that it forces people to come together and innovate for some sort of advantage. Plus medication was improved by the experiments of infamous germany did to people and what everyone had to deal with in the trenches or other areas of the world that had infections and diseases going everywhere.
when i hear about naval battles, I imagine them being, more stressful then tense. As quick as they can be, they also seem to be somewhat slow. With the waiting to see what happens just to make your next move. I'd rather fight on land
Can you imagine. Being on a submarine or ship in the middle of the ocean. No help if you start sinking. Just lying there, waiting not knowing if anyone's coming.
Pacific ocean is real deep. Depending where you were, you wouldn't be waiting for anything except for the hull to implode and turn you into paste. And on those old boats, that did not take long at all.
Silversides departed Brisbane on 17 December 1942 and set course for New Ireland for her fourth war patrol. While far out at sea on the night of 22 December, the submarine's pharmacist's mate, PM1 Thomas Moore, performed a successful emergency appendectomy on FM2 George Platter, using ether as anesthesia and using rudimentary tools primarily fashioned from kitchen utensils.
i got confused from the start. i thought the enemy vessel was a submarine. as they scramble to battle stations, THEY WERE the submarine and the enemy was a ship. zzzz
and when they fired two torpedo they were already submerged, but after they miss they closed the hatch and starts submerging. arrrggg
Lol, and they showed (twice) the same depth charge exploding literally on top of the sub and it didnt sink
I continue to be Disappointed in the Smithsonian Channel.
What are you a sub captain, good eye mate!
Same felt by me
" i thought the enemy vessel was a submarine" - so did the Silverside's crew....that's what the narrator said.
"and when they fired two torpedo they were already submerged" - ya it looks like the sub was submerged during the torpedo launch animation (continuity error there....though it's possible they were just semi-submerged with just the con tower above surface, it's hard to tell in that short animation), but they actually fired the torpedoes while still on the surface (and then submerged afterwards).
The pressure hull is already under strain. Depth charge effectively increases localized pressure and ruptures the hull.
Russ G Thank you. Got guys in the comments doing the most. Occams Razor for the win.
Edit: Sorry I think this is just a bit off. It's rapid depression and water displacement doing the trick. Like holding a rubber band under tension, and releasing it. The rubber band in this sense is the hull, the bombs are releasing it.
Uhhh but isn't a submarine already sunk?
Tovarasul Ceausescu It's submerged stupid. Jesus Christ everyone needs to relearn English.
Gold Waves but aren’t sunk ships submerged?
Alucard My what a revelation. Never thought about that. Yes, sunken ships are submerged, but more importantly, THEY'RE FKIN SUNK.
im pretty sure it was a joke m8
Gold Waves /r/Wooosh
If this interests you, I recommend watching a movie called "Das Boot".
itsmemaario might be my favorite movie of all time I watch the directors cut once every year or two once it’s been long enough that I can’t predict every single tiny detail
Hahaa! Yeah the long version is the best! I saw it for the first time only few months ago, crazy how I'd have missed such a good movie for so long.
Whats it about?
It is about a german WWII submarine, basically. Movie is intense as fuck, totally recommended.
One of the best flicks of all time. On the same level as Empire of the Sun.
fun fact: there are more airplanes in the ocean then there are submarines in the sky
I asked that Congress woman Alexandra Cortez and she said thats wrong if your south of the equator and stuff.
Harry Sweeten
? R u ok in the head
True. Japan made special cruiser submarines that were large enough to store seaplanes in side the submarine
MrCornCakez i dont Think so
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submarines are just plain scary I'd freaking freak out and die of a heartache
heartache?
That's why they're always volunteer crews.
@@GlitchedBlox yeah just having an ache
Submarine crews aren't just volunteers, but are carefully psychologically screened before being accepted - even in WWII. You're in a cramped tube in close quarters and stressful conditions, and it's tough work.
Why, when you were a boy did a submarine break your little heart?
Imagining the sub's crew at the time of depth charges creeps me out
Yatharth Pandey it was nerve wracking. You can’t see the enemy but you can definitely hear them if your the hydrophone operator. Anxiety gets even worse when you notify the sub’s captain that you hear splashes...
Read "The Depths of Courage" if you want to really get a good idea
Yatharth Pandey It is creepy on a normal day. I visited both a WW2 boat and a Nuc. Everything is cramped and mechanical. Not for me......
Das Boot has a great depth charge scene, it really grabs the viewer and puts you right there with the crew.
Or Run Silent Run Deep, but not the movie.
Wow! The cgi is pretty damn good, especially for a documentary.
Bodhi de Brabander Welcome to the future, it’s rad here!
No it's not lol
Yes its great, if you were watching some 1900s movies for your whole life and just realized the internet was a thing
The CGI gets use over and over and over and over again. I bought the first season, Im not buying the second one.
Bodhi dB better than in most movies...
This is why you always wrap your submarine in a kevlar condom👍
Lofty Marsh You fucking genius. I don't know if you copied that, but I don't care, it's happened now.
@Robert Barr Kevlar is a brand of aramid fiber
@@datboibarlos6766 really?
@@joshuadrakard2981 Doesn't matter, be glad you dont have to pay for child support.
@@potatoraider7320 what is that display pic you have? I see it everywhere.
My great grandfather served on a WW2 submarine, they got depth charged by a German destroyer. The depth charges never hit the hull of the submarine. They explosions were powerful enough to break his jaw. His crew mate bit half of his tongue off because he braced himself near a dry valve and the shock waves traveled through his body and slammed his mouth shut. It's so psychologically terrifying that guys on submarines in WW2 have been driven to suicide from it.
German destroyers were few and far between. Highly suspect your story.
@@ewjiml Precisely! I'm calling bs.
@@ewjimlGermany had 41 destroyers. You’re acting like they were a unicorn.
The massive balls of the submariners is what keeps submarines underwater.
@Mr Gronk what about METAL BALLS
and if they want to surface?
My grandad was in the merchant fleet when the war broke out, and the day the Germans occupied his country (Denmark) he was on his way to Liverpool, where he volunteered for the Royal Navy upon arrival. He ended up serving on a destroyer, and when he was still alive, he told me how they hunted U-boats back then - when they set out on patrol, he told me, they always had the deck covered in barrels of green paint. When they got a hydrophone contact, they'd slowly circle the area above the German U-boat, in a spiral pattern while they poured paint over the side. Then when the submarine came up to periscope depth to take a look, the paint would cover the periscope lens. The germans, looking through their periscope would think they were still underwater and keep rising. Then when the U-boat had reached a height of about 150m they'd shoot it down with anti aircraft guns.:-)
Interesting. Thanks for the insight
Shoot it down? As in the submarine becoming a plane shoot it down? What?
@@XiyuYang Obviously, he clearly says the U-boat thought they were still underwater and kept rising to 150m above the surface. They're so much easier to take down this way.
@@XiyuYang No, the submarine tought it was still underwater and kept rising up to 150m out of the water. It's a very common strategy againts submarines.
Hahhaha
Silversides did survive. It is docked in Muskegon, MI
Thom An hour from my house!
I live by it. its a museum now, you can go inside of it too
Went there for my birthday. Well preserved.
I spent the night on this sub. Boy what an experience.
@@supergamer761 same
the giant balls of these sub marine men shielded the sub from destruction
Breaking Toast The silent service. Best sailers in the Navy.
Breaking Toast they drain their balls on each other everyday.
Breaking Toast took the words right out of my mouth.
My father survived around 300 depth charges during WWII. He had some amazing stories...
wrongway1100 I’m proud to be a submariner.
Initially the Japanese were setting the depths on their depth charges too shallow, enabling some of the US Subs to escape. This interesting fact was broadcast by a US Politician to the press, whereupon the Japanese corrected their deficiency, and the US Submariners became the Silent Service ever after.
Loose lips sink ships
This video never answered the question of "why depth charges don't have to touch a submarine to sink it". I believe the answer is - that water is non-compressible. SO, water is very efficient at propagating the shockwave from the depthcharge explosion to the surrounding area. btw - the air inside the sub WILL compress.
it definitely says that it sends shockwaves and the water acts as a hammer so I believe it answered the question at least to a certain extent
I went to the USS Silverside museum in muskegon Michigan, it was huge compared to a German U boat exhibit in Chicago i saw. Another cool thing about the Silverside was how it remained almost untouched since the war and had levers that could still activate the sub.
The Title vs What's Depicted - huh?
Click bait
Yeh, what the hell did that video clip have to do with the description??
It shows a video of how a submarine is attacked by a destroyer with depth charges and explains how that works?
Turn on the audio?
Damn around the 2 minute mark they say it clearly, Attention spans at 0%
Agu Obiakor I did and most of those charges exploded within 10meters of the U boat (not submarine as you wrongly propose) (lol) and not a single thing happens to it. So how does the title relate to the video?
Hydrostatic pressure from a "near miss" will do more damage than a direct hit. This advice from a Naval officer to U.S. Army General William "Billy" Mitchell led to the successful sinking of the German battleship "Ostfriesland" by aircraft in July, 1921.
Otokichi786 uh, why would the US be sinking german boats in 1921?
Alex Thoppil yea ikr
Alex Thoppil - The Ostfriesland was an obsolete pile of junk from 1908. It was a coal-fueled ship, with oil sprayed on the coal beginning in 1915. It was used by the US Navy to test new bombing techniques.
The new generation of warships were oil fueled. No coal fueled navy could stand a chance against oil burners.
Germany was very restricted in the kinds and size of warships allowed following their thorough trouncing in WWI.
Apparently they hadn't had enough as they soon began building a new modern navy at first within the restrictions. As time went by they came to realize that none of the Allied powers were willing to enforce the restrictions.
good film about him starring Gary Cooper you could watch guys! Alex Thoppil would answer your question!
"The Courts Martial of Billy Mitchell": every prediction he made came true.
How do you sink a submarine if its ALREADY sunken hah?
top 10 questions science can't answer
Woosh
Classic r/wooosh
It just has to get down to that second layer of water like at the beach in spongebob. Then it is super duper sunk.
@Type 2 unset diabeetus Not a wooosh, he just clarified the situation for the few not understanding already. The joke is too obvious, normies.
I got real confused at the beginning who was the sub and who was the warship.
same
5 years on a fast attack in the 80s were the proudest of my life. Best crew of guys I have ever served with. WWII steel boaters are the real deal heroes.
I once heard a submariner from WWII, who survived depth charge attacks, say that there are no atheists on a submarine under depth charge attack.
What happens to your soul if you die in a submarine? Does it swim up?
@@rickysmyth your soul implodes, and you reincarnate as a puffer fish.
seems like it didnt help xD
Ideal depth charge placement was one to either side of the pressure hull, where the colliding shock waves had greatly increased combined power exerted against the hull. The 'hedgehog' type of system benefitted greatly from that effect, with each charge's smaller amount of explosive than the larger, conventional depth charges.
"Hedgehogs" were required to actually come in contact with the target to detonate, which allowed a much smaller charge of explosives. Depth Charges depend on being very close, and the incompressibility of liquids to virtually crush an Air-Filled container. The real benefit was that the disturbances created by Depth Charges and Cavitation from the Attacking ship's screws, which interfered with SONAR detection, became less of an issue.
Title: Why depth charges don't have to touch the submarine to sink it
Documentary: *submarine doesn't sink*
i just got done watching that
Paladin Danse narrating?
ITS YOU AHHHHH
In the movies the sub always comes to periscope depth and fires two torpedoes "right down the throat" of the oncoming Jap destroyer. In reality it's a bad move. Little chance of hitting a fast-moving, maneuverable, and relatively small target and if you miss he's going to unload the whole rack right on top of you.
Txtspeak What the hell are you talking about? That’s precisely what a torpedo does. It’s fired and detonated underwater.
Plus if you hit it, it won't sink immediately. It will unload it's whole rack at you anyways
exactly my first thought. USS Harder made a habit of it.
@@austindorf83
If they fire underwater the torpedoes would just float upwards. World War 2 submarines were designed specifically to hit targets on the surface. To keep the shot straight you would also need to surface to fire well.
Firing a shot that is completely submerged you would need to tilt the submarine at the perfect angle to hit the target which is horribly, horribly difficult with their technology and mathematics. They would need to make their plot tables and graphs manually because their practices mostly deal with 2 dimensional firing (the surface) not 3 dimensions. It's a battle of weaponized math!
Think of doing basic trigonometry and then throw in underwater physics, fast moving ships, and some very unusual arc patterns, not to mention you can't see the enemy at all so you have to guess where they go! That is how difficult a 3-dimensional World War 2 underwater battle seems to be to me.
Hail Jigglypuff You have no idea what you are talking about. The Japanese and Germans both used three-axis controlled torpedoes that used propulsion systems that wouldn’t create bubbles on the surface. They were completely submerged from fire to detonation. Not to mention trigonometry has been around for over 2000 years. Do a little research before you vomit some nonsense on the internet.
You sunk my battleship!
Canimaslan USA
so turn me on
I'm Mr coffee with an automatic drip
Sonny I replied with the lyrics of "bloodhound gang" the discovery Channel song(forgot the name)
It says you sunk my battleship and proceeds to the 2 lines I wrote
A banana!
HAH GO FISH!
Oh wait, wrong game.
Great video
Good acting and editing, well directed
2:00 today I learnt if you’re on the surface you can’t see something deep underwater. Thanks for that amazing discovery.
OKAY TH-cam. I WATCHED THE VIDEO. STOP RECOMMENDING IT FINALLY.
Who is making you click on the video again and again? Someone needs to take your mouse privileges away!
Just toured the Silversides today What an amazing piece of history!
Very interesting
I can't even begin to imagine the terror of knowing that any second a depth charge could tear open the side of your submarine and drown everyone inside.
Legend has it that dude still sleeping.
How did that crew member stay asleep while the depth charges were exploding all around the sub?
GregoryTheGr8ster was he asleep or injured?
It's possible he was completely exhausted (No sleep for a while due to constant action). When you don't sleep for extended periods, eventually your body will crash and force you to sleep through pretty much anything (speaking from experience of pulling all nighters in college) or maybe he was that deep of a sleeper :p This is my guess but this could just be the show portraying something inaccurately too.
It was standard procedure for the crew to lie in their racks(beds) while the sub was being hunted. The more you move the more oxygen you consume.
Normally when a sub was being attacked by surface vessels, the only means of survival was to stay under and have all nonessential equipment shut off to conserve battery life. Crew members to lie down to save oxygen and just wait for the enemy to either run out of depth charges or have last contact with you.
Luis -- That's a good idea. Why was this not standard procedure on the USS Enterprise in Star Trek?
Sailors can sleep anywhere, through anything.
I always thought a torpedo had to actually hit something to explode very interesting
It depends on torpedeo some torpedoes use impact or magnetic
Fack A Wolf
Oh okay still interesting
In 1942 American torpedos had faulty detonators. That mistake kept Japan in the war an extra year.
James Ricker
I didn't know that, thanks I love learning about history
Matthew Family torpedos are dangerous and faulty in ww2. Some were big and heavy and have long range and almost undetectable, and some comes back to the submarine that launched them and eventually destroy it(sorry for my English, I m a Chinese)
I visited this sub on my birthday. Well preserved indeed.
By the way, did the USS Silversides actually have silver-colored sides? Note that the color could be due to bare metal, and not painted silver.
GregoryTheGr8ster US submarines in World War 2 were named after species of fish. There are several varieties of silversides fish.
angc214 -- Ah, that makes sense. Many fish are quite silvery, so I could see how a fish would be named "silversides".
They even named a project for upgrading submarines GUPPY
A submarine is made of steel and is painted with marine paint. If not painted it would rust rapidly in salt water. They, like all oceangoing ships and boats, are drydocked when they need to be painted below the water line. Aluminum alloy ships are painted as well. Salt water eats aluminum very rapidly. Ships also have electrolytic protection from corrosion.
Alpha Adhito That name, "GUPPY," really came from "greater underwater propulsive power." But, yes, then they tacked on the "Y" for the piscine effect.
SS-236 now resides in our hometown on Lake Michigan, Muskegon. What a wonderful piece of history.
German u boats were way more stronger against depth charges compared to US subs
Fack A Wolf Why?
Because u boats hull had smaller surface area. And in general german u boats could dive deeper way deeper while US sub dive about 110m german one could 180 easily. Probably because they were smaller
Found a citating form source. Its comparing Type VIIC against Gato class
Under the water, the German boats take the lead. The smaller VIIC had greater maneuverability, quietness, and greater diving depth. But, though greater depth seems a good advantage, it was actually more important to be able to submerge quickly than deeply. Most U-boats were destroyed on the surface or just under it, not at great depth. But still, the VIIC could submerge quicker than a Gato, but not by much: a well trained crew could get a Gato under in 35 seconds, vs maybe 20 or so for a U-boat. 'Under' was 60 ft for a Gato, and 45ft for a VIIC, due to the different sizes of the boats.
As for mechanical systems, again a clear German lead. German sonar, optics (periscopes), machinery, from hull construction to engine design, was ahead of the Americans. The Germans even had schnorkels, though in reality the schnorkel was not very useful. A sub using a schnorkel could only make 4 or 5 knots and was blind (periscope and sonar unuseable).
There is only one last category, but in some ways, the most important: electronics. Here the US boats enjoyed a huge, decisive, and commanding difference. US boats were equipped with a variety of radars, radar detectors, jammers, and communication devices that U-boaters could only dream of. At a time when U-boat commanders were struggling with makeshift detectors (that didn't work) made from wood, string, and wire, US boats sported a veritable forest of antennas off of their periscope shears. While U-boats were always at the electronic disadvantage to allied ASW, the opposite was true of US Gato boats fighting the Japanese. When many allied ASW ships had radar, Doenitz still claimed radar was impossible to mount on ships (let alone aircraft). When Allied ships were using direction finding to home in on U-boat radios, Doenitz claimed this was impossible. But most of all, the US boats had highly effective radar (the SJ) and very effective radar detectors. This offset all the disadvantages above, including slow diving times (radar gives better warning times), bad optics (use radar in attacks), etc. Towards the end, US boats even got the ST periscope mounted radar - one radar 'ping' and you have the exact range to the target - far offsetting any disadvantage in night attack scope design, and taking the guesswork out of attack solutions. And, of course, the US boat's radio codes were not compromised, while the U-boat 'Ultra' was read with increasing ease as the war dragged on. Many, (most?) U-boats were defeated electronically, by enigma intercepts, direction finding on radio emissions, or radar detection. The allies' complete mastery of the electromagnetic spectrum over the U-boat is the major reason for their defeat, a huge factor in the US subs victory over Japan, and the major difference between the US boats and the U-boats in combat effectiveness.
According to Cmdr. Beech Japanese depth charges when deployed the crew would hear a "click" then the "wham" of the explosion itself. The spacing between these 2 sounds could tewll you how close the charge was. The closer they were, the closer the depth charge was.
What did the green light mean? "I am an enemy boat" Well that's cool they gave each other heads up in war...
'Surrender Dorothy'
They prob didn't know how to respond but knew they had to do somthing
Amazing video
imagine if we had just 2 nuclear subs one for each pacific and Atlantic with everything but nuclear warheads back in those days.
So how close does a depth charge need to be to stand a chance of sinking or seriously damaging a sub ?
Them torpedos seemed as reliable as an 1984 YUGO !
Well if they were the Mark 14s that the US had for part of the war, then they might just be. That model of torpedo could be said to technicallly have a failure rate of over 100%, because usually multiple things went wrong. There was one US submarine fired nearly a dozen at a Japanese vessel, including some fired directly amidships after the first ones had managed to disable it, but it still wasn't sunk, largely due to failures to detonate.
The reason it wasn't a full dozen fired is that apparently the sub captain chose to take his last remaining torpedo on board back to the US, presumably with the intentions of beating the Bureau of Ordinance around the head with it since they insisted the mark 14s worked perfectly.
I’ve been on this sub a few times as it’s docked in Muskegon channel very cool to see a animation like this about one of its battles !!
I tell you one thing, when you hear those damn Charges going off around you, NOBODY IS AN ATHEIST!, everyone's praying to every single god they could think of!
fun fact if they were deep enough (they probably weren't at that point) once the hull was pierced the air in the sub would be instantly compressed to the point of ignition (due to the water pressure) and you would be dead before you even knew what happened
lol my teacher also talked about that, instead he says how whenever a plane is experiencing bad turbulence, even atheist might be praying to god to stop the turbulence
That’s dumb. Imaginary friends are for children. Grow up.
Sean Pond dont forget to tip your fedora as you leave a comment like that
Cant get a break with this guy straight talk
Show of hands, who first thought they were called "death charges" when they were five? o/
Nobody, just you
For anyone who cares to go on a WW2 submarine , the German sub U-505 is in The Museum of Science and Industry , in Chicago. This sub is in excellent shape and very interesting. Also view "Europa the last battle" , on Bitchute.
Why didn't they use magnets?
Because the depth charge could go back and blow your own ship up
BuzzKillBob fuuuuck true this is why I'd be a terrible engineer 😂
Use magneto
Viktor Kaboom!!
My grandfather served on the sliver side, pretty cool seeing this video
Its also true that the deeper the sub dives the closer the depth charge has to be to do damage.
Damage increases as well!
I would like 2 c more videos on Depth Charges ! 👍
i have been on that submarine
The museum? Wow, nice one!
Balehead - Ya shudda took yer Gas-X.
Balehead Ayyy lmfao
Yeah its docked in muskegon Michigan
Balehead ya know the sub is a museum don't talk bullshit without knowing
Submarine: literally shaking
Sleeping people: understandable have a great day
“Lernch dur terperderps!”
“Ermagerd! Derp cherbers!”
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American torpedoes were often faulty in the earlier part of WW2. They would explode too early or run too deep, going underneath the attacked ship.
The answer is they explode.Depth charges explode underwater. I already know that
I’m from Muskegon where Silversides is docked. Really cool!
The most famous museum in America lying on TH-cam with clickbait.
superbobwiley1 @
@@honkhonk8009 not sure, I think they corrected the title.
A shockwave in water is more devastating than in air. Water hammer is sometimes created when water flow is suddenly interrupted and reflected back.
It's not the shockwave or energy transfer, it's because water doesn't compress.
The fact water does not compress is what leads to shockwave
burt panzer That's exactly why it's energy transfer. It doesn't compress it doesn't absorb energy...meaning it transfers all the kinetic energy of the blast into the hull of the sub. It's the same reasoning why modern vehicles' crumple zones save lives in an accident.
It has nothing to do with compression, the explosion creates a vacuum which is so powerful that when it collapses it rips the ship apart. See USS Cole as example.
I don't think an explosion can create a vacuum....then again, I finished college.
The explosion does not create a vacuum. It is a shock wave, a compression wave if you must. A shock wave is just a compression wave moving faster than the speed of sound in its medium. The fact that water does not compression essentially means the shock wave blasts the water at the submarine like a brick wall (which is why they say "like a hammer").
Life in a submarine must’ve been awful. Cramped, claustrophobic, hot, likely to get trapped and drown when hit. I pity those brave men.
the USS silversides have been turned into a museum in muskegon Michigan. during my time in boy scouts we spent the night on that submarine
The Silversides is docked in Muskegon, Michigan. They used to have tours and weekend overnights where the “crew” brings a pizza dinner and shows WWII sub movies.
that is some insane luck.
Fun fact: USS jacksonville was purposely depth charged by the US Navy for studying I've met someone who was on board. I've seen videos of steel beams strong enough to support an f350 bend and warp. Pretty insane the amount of energy from a depth charge.
Hey, was this ship stationed at a museum in Michigan? I remember visiting a USS silver sides when I was in cub scouts. I think that it was In muskegon.
its a sub not a ship and yes it is a museum
The USS Silversides was turned into a museum and you can book overnight stays on it. I slept on it with my Boy Scout troop several years back. It’s parked in Muskegon, MI.
I got to spend a night on silversides when I was in boyscouts it was at a naval museum on lake Michigan sleeping next to a disabled torpedo one of my favorite experiences would totally do it again if given the chance when we stayed onboard it was in the final stages of restoration
Audio and visual don’t match.
The sub should have a green light.
It was portrayed kind of funky.
🤦🏾♂️
Where can o get full documentary
She is now a museum here in Michigan! and is a National Historic Landmark.
Holy shit. The anticipation is causing PTSD for sure. War is bad ☠️
You know the ironic part for war is that it forces people to come together and innovate for some sort of advantage. Plus medication was improved by the experiments of infamous germany did to people and what everyone had to deal with in the trenches or other areas of the world that had infections and diseases going everywhere.
cool , this sub is in muskegon michigan. you can tour it in the summer.
As a Boy Scout I got to spend a night on uss silversides. One of the other kids threw up but it was a great trip
2:47 my brother at lunch and my dad trying to wake him up 🤣🤣
when i hear about naval battles,
I imagine them being, more stressful then tense.
As quick as they can be, they also seem to be somewhat slow.
With the waiting to see what happens just to make your next move.
I'd rather fight on land
So how close does a depth charge need to be to be effective ?
USS Silversides exists today as a museum in the waters of Lake Michigan in Muskegon, MI.
>Why Depth Charges Don't Have to Touch a Submarine to Sink It
That's my secret, Cap. I'm alway sunk.
Can you imagine. Being on a submarine or ship in the middle of the ocean. No help if you start sinking. Just lying there, waiting not knowing if anyone's coming.
Pacific ocean is real deep. Depending where you were, you wouldn't be waiting for anything except for the hull to implode and turn you into paste. And on those old boats, that did not take long at all.
The U.S.S. Silversides is berthed in Muskegon, Michigan. Come and visit.
Depth Charge would be such a good name for a punk band
The silversides is sitting in a channel in my hometown, it’s a beautiful sub
Silversides departed Brisbane on 17 December 1942 and set course for New Ireland for her fourth war patrol. While far out at sea on the night of 22 December, the submarine's pharmacist's mate, PM1 Thomas Moore, performed a successful emergency appendectomy on FM2 George Platter, using ether as anesthesia and using rudimentary tools primarily fashioned from kitchen utensils.
You can definitely say these men got balls of steel!
Incredible and double incredible but triple incredible!!🇺🇸
First comment in 2021 happy new year and good health to all ;)
The Silversides is in Muskegon Michigan, part of a maritime museum. You can stay overnight on it
So these are different than underwater mines? Those round with spikes chained/floating to the sea floor
I’ve been in this submarine and know it’s not going to sink but I still get tense watching
flex tape the entire sub and your unstoppable
We need the dull documentaries of these
How many depth charges did they have
Serving in a submarine would be a claustrophobics worst nightmare
Moustache man gives me Ron Swanson vibes.