People in the comments are getting way too uptight. The Lotus made a mistake. It has the better chassis and the better engine, but the car is only as good as its driver, and the 4C’s driver was in better form that day. Don’t get all wound up about something that doesn’t affect you in the least. 4C Pilot: nice job! Good driving out there, and what a car to be doing it in! The 4C is one of my favorites. I’m looking at getting another car next year, and it’s on the short list.
The Alfa driver definitely drove a better line. The lotus has a more powerful engine but the chassis is basically a Lotus elise from 1996 with a changed rear frame and bigger tires so no better chassis. I was surprised how quick the Alfa was especially at the straights. I drive a stock Lotus Exige S2 and this 4C is much faster in a straight line.
Steffen kawa there’s a reason that Lotus’s chassis technology has stayed relatively stable (beyond the inherent costs): it’s damn damn good. And while the basic underpinnings of the Exige today are very similar to the S1 Elise, they aren’t the same by any stretch. These Exige V6s ride on a very sorted out chassis that has had years of massaging and development. The Alfa may have a more advanced and modern chassis setup, and they certainly feel more rigid, but they aren’t nearly as sorted as the modern Exige. It’s like it was taken out of the oven too soon as a car, it wasn’t quite done yet. Shame, because the CF tub is just cool as all hell. That said, the Alfa is the one I’d have. The 4C, to me, never feels as competent as the Exige, but it’s more fun. And I think, if I’m not completely mistaken, that these V6 Exiges, like the on in the video, will pull away from the 4C on the straights. However, I ended up not getting the 4C. Got a Gen V Viper instead. Wasn’t even going to drive that car, but did on a whim and it was just so special.
The driver of the 4C was performing excellent. He hit the apexes right on the money. The driver of the Lotus was all over the place, missing almost every apex...... but was still too fast for the 4C to catch him for quite a while. The Lotus was going faster through curves OFF the mark.... than the 4C could handle them when navigating perfectly. I'd love to know what tires that Lotus was running.... because I need a set - LOL The Lotus is clearly the better track car here..... and with a better driver, would have left the 4C far behind. But.... this video is a good representation of how important a good driver is. Props to 4C driver.... hell of a job.
@@alfo4c489 I have read good and bad things about the Avon ZZR. Mostly, they work well.... until they don't from overheating, which happens quickly. Last time I was regularly tracking my car was a few years ago, but I went from the Yoko R888, to the Nitto NT-01... before eventually settling (and happiest with) the Hoosier A6.... but they only worked in 100% dry conditions. That was also on an STI platform, which is considerably heavier than the 4C or the Lotus... as well as AWD. I'm overseas now.... but headed back to the US in a year or so, and I'm already preparing to purchase a 4C. Currently researching what seems to work best.
Buy a 4C! - If you come across a badly driven Lotus who misses just about every turning point - you may eventually pass him! it will take a few minutes though - (A bios Lotus Exige owner ;) - When it comes to the track, the driver is far more important than the car. Looks like both had fun to me and on non-competitive track days, thats what actually matters.
@5putput Why are you so mad? The 4cyl did run circle around the 6 here. Doesn't mean the 245hp 4cyl is faster than a 380 hp V6, they aren't in the same category at all. It just means the 4C is a nice machine that can compete with more powerful cars to some extent, that's all, chill dude.
Wahnsinns-Fight mit dem Exige. Kompliment... Mit meinem Serien-4C wäre da wohl nicht so viel gegangen. Habe auch schon über Tuning nachgedacht ( Fahrwerk, Semis, Motor) aber ich habe etwas Respekt vor den eventuellen Schäden bzw. dem Verschleiß. Auch frage ich mich, ob die Karosserie, obgleich das Monocoque aus Carbon ist, mit der Zeit anfälliger für Verwindungen wird, weil sie quasi "weich" gefahren wird auf der Strecke.. Wieviele Kilometer hast du mit dem Tuning von Pogea schon runter? Viele Fragen... ich weiß... wäre schön, mal was von jemandem zu hören, der damit Erfahrung gemacht hat.. LG
Hi, dank dir.. ich kann mir nicht vorstellen dass das Carbon mit der Zeit "weich" wird. Das ist ja einer der Vorteile von Carbon.. Den einzigen Verschleiss den ich mir vorstellen kann, sind die Gummilager der hinteren Querlenker und eben Bremse, Reifen ect. Mit dem Pogea Tuning und KW Fahrwerk habe ich gute 60tkm runter. Aus welcher Ecke bist du denn?
Ah alles klar. Ich komme aus Osnabrück, fahre einen alfaroten 4C mit Sport-classic, Sportpaket.. Habe mir gerade eine Spurverbreiterung (15mm pro Rad) draufgebaut und denke nun über Weiteres nach... Semis, Fahrwerk und evtl. ein Tuning bis ca. Stage 1 Clone-Niveau.. Da meiner noch bis 2020 Garantie hat, muss ich halt länger überlegen.. Woher kommst du?
1 Std Südlich von Stuttgart. Fahrwerk, Felgen und Semis kann dir in der Garantie ja egal sein. Da gibt es eigentlich kaum etwas, das kaputt gehen kann. Danach wirst du dein Auto nicht wieder erkennen.
A longer track would give the advantage to the Lotus. I think the Alfa has the better brakes... deeper into the corners. Bigger injectors, and change the boost on the turbo and the 4c could take on just about anything.
@David Man i replaced the cup2 with a set of Nankang AR-1 wich are excelent on track. Overal 0,2-0,3 more G than the cup2. Saddly i dont have videos of my last trackday with those tires. The R888r is not my favorite tire. It let of quite fast when it's hot.
@@alfo4c489 I have heard great things about the AR-1. I love my Yokohama AD08R. I think they are the best deal when driving both street and track. Only weak point is wear... Only lasted about 8 months and 15.000km....
Not a realistic comparison. The driver of the Lotus is terrible. One of the worst lines around a race track I've ever seen. Missed 90% of the apexes. Quite embarrassing for them.
mark sundberg not realistic? Direct enemy for alfa 4c is lotus elise cup, not exige cup! Alfa 4c 1750cc turbo 245 cv vs lotus exige 3.0 cc v6 supercharger 380 cv!
You should at least read what I wrote in reference to my comment of "not realistic" before responding. What you have written is in no way related to my comments. I am criticizing the very poor driving ability of the Lotus driver which has nothing to do with the cars.
mark sundberg I understood your intervention, there is no need to repeat that the Lotus driver is a novice, but you should drive an alfa romeo before commenting.
Completely agree with you, Mark. The Lotus driver didn't hit a single apex and is all over the road. Had he actually have some sort of concept of where to turn in, hitting an apex, braking points, he would have walked all over the 4c.
Der Exige-Fahrer war wohl zum ersten Mal auf dem Hockenheimring, oder? Ansonsten ist eine Zeit um die 2:03 MInuten für ein Auto dieser Kategorie sehr respektabel.
Auch beim 1. Mal hätte er nach ein paar Runden die Idealline wenigstens so ein bisschen beherrschen müssen. Eigentlich eine Schade für Lotus... Na ja, vielleich ein Porsche-Fahrer auf der Probefahrt?!
Il pilota della exige faceva davvero schifo, hai vinto facile, prendeva le curve come uno che guida con la mascherina. La exige ha un rapporto peso potenza da paura e con un pilota serio fa paura.
Very nice driving! I'm stunned by the capabilities of the 4C! Just a few upgrades and it became a track warrior. Congratulations.
in the last S curves the 4C carbon fiber chassis precision comes out. Lateral 1,2g stunning value.
People in the comments are getting way too uptight. The Lotus made a mistake. It has the better chassis and the better engine, but the car is only as good as its driver, and the 4C’s driver was in better form that day. Don’t get all wound up about something that doesn’t affect you in the least.
4C Pilot: nice job! Good driving out there, and what a car to be doing it in! The 4C is one of my favorites. I’m looking at getting another car next year, and it’s on the short list.
The Alfa driver definitely drove a better line. The lotus has a more powerful engine but the chassis is basically a Lotus elise from 1996 with a changed rear frame and bigger tires so no better chassis. I was surprised how quick the Alfa was especially at the straights. I drive a stock Lotus Exige S2 and this 4C is much faster in a straight line.
Steffen kawa there’s a reason that Lotus’s chassis technology has stayed relatively stable (beyond the inherent costs): it’s damn damn good. And while the basic underpinnings of the Exige today are very similar to the S1 Elise, they aren’t the same by any stretch.
These Exige V6s ride on a very sorted out chassis that has had years of massaging and development. The Alfa may have a more advanced and modern chassis setup, and they certainly feel more rigid, but they aren’t nearly as sorted as the modern Exige. It’s like it was taken out of the oven too soon as a car, it wasn’t quite done yet. Shame, because the CF tub is just cool as all hell.
That said, the Alfa is the one I’d have. The 4C, to me, never feels as competent as the Exige, but it’s more fun. And I think, if I’m not completely mistaken, that these V6 Exiges, like the on in the video, will pull away from the 4C on the straights.
However, I ended up not getting the 4C. Got a Gen V Viper instead. Wasn’t even going to drive that car, but did on a whim and it was just so special.
The driver of the 4C was performing excellent. He hit the apexes right on the money. The driver of the Lotus was all over the place, missing almost every apex...... but was still too fast for the 4C to catch him for quite a while. The Lotus was going faster through curves OFF the mark.... than the 4C could handle them when navigating perfectly. I'd love to know what tires that Lotus was running.... because I need a set - LOL
The Lotus is clearly the better track car here..... and with a better driver, would have left the 4C far behind. But.... this video is a good representation of how important a good driver is.
Props to 4C driver.... hell of a job.
The lotus was an Avon ZZR and i on cup 2.
@@alfo4c489 I have read good and bad things about the Avon ZZR. Mostly, they work well.... until they don't from overheating, which happens quickly.
Last time I was regularly tracking my car was a few years ago, but I went from the Yoko R888, to the Nitto NT-01... before eventually settling (and happiest with) the Hoosier A6.... but they only worked in 100% dry conditions.
That was also on an STI platform, which is considerably heavier than the 4C or the Lotus... as well as AWD.
I'm overseas now.... but headed back to the US in a year or so, and I'm already preparing to purchase a 4C. Currently researching what seems to work best.
@@ninefourteener did you buy a 4c?
Buy a 4C! - If you come across a badly driven Lotus who misses just about every turning point - you may eventually pass him! it will take a few minutes though - (A bios Lotus Exige owner ;) - When it comes to the track, the driver is far more important than the car. Looks like both had fun to me and on non-competitive track days, thats what actually matters.
The Alfa is a much better built car in my opinion.
Une 4C bien pilotée IMBATTABLE
All the excuses for the lotus driver with no regard of how well built the 4c really is.
wow...a little 4 cylinder runs circles around a 6 cylinder peer...very interesting indeed ;)
The 4c is evil!!! It is a car that can be challenging for sure.
The driver of the exige is no good, don't you see?
@5putput Why are you so mad? The 4cyl did run circle around the 6 here.
Doesn't mean the 245hp 4cyl is faster than a 380 hp V6, they aren't in the same category at all.
It just means the 4C is a nice machine that can compete with more powerful cars to some extent, that's all, chill dude.
nice battle!
And the Lotus had the AC on
Yes, - and the radio 😂😂😂
I think Alfa 4C can overtake Lotus earlier....
4C is a good car with better looks ofcourse but Lotus chassis is simply God level; It just need a better engine like K20..
LOTUS: 😍😍😍👍
I would love to see this car with a v5 engine or a inline 5 engine and v6 engine. With more hp and torque and more rpms. With a 4.4-liter.
wouldn't be a 4C anymore. 5C or 6C as it stands for the number of cylinders.... there was a 6C in the early years of 20th century...
Wahnsinns-Fight mit dem Exige. Kompliment... Mit meinem Serien-4C wäre da wohl nicht so viel gegangen. Habe auch schon über Tuning nachgedacht ( Fahrwerk, Semis, Motor) aber ich habe etwas Respekt vor den eventuellen Schäden bzw. dem Verschleiß. Auch frage ich mich, ob die Karosserie, obgleich das Monocoque aus Carbon ist, mit der Zeit anfälliger für Verwindungen wird, weil sie quasi "weich" gefahren wird auf der Strecke.. Wieviele Kilometer hast du mit dem Tuning von Pogea schon runter? Viele Fragen... ich weiß... wäre schön, mal was von jemandem zu hören, der damit Erfahrung gemacht hat.. LG
Hi, dank dir.. ich kann mir nicht vorstellen dass das Carbon mit der Zeit "weich" wird. Das ist ja einer der Vorteile von Carbon.. Den einzigen Verschleiss den ich mir vorstellen kann, sind die Gummilager der hinteren Querlenker und eben Bremse, Reifen ect. Mit dem Pogea Tuning und KW Fahrwerk habe ich gute 60tkm runter. Aus welcher Ecke bist du denn?
Ah alles klar. Ich komme aus Osnabrück, fahre einen alfaroten 4C mit Sport-classic, Sportpaket.. Habe mir gerade eine Spurverbreiterung (15mm pro Rad) draufgebaut und denke nun über Weiteres nach... Semis, Fahrwerk und evtl. ein Tuning bis ca. Stage 1 Clone-Niveau.. Da meiner noch bis 2020 Garantie hat, muss ich halt länger überlegen..
Woher kommst du?
1 Std Südlich von Stuttgart. Fahrwerk, Felgen und Semis kann dir in der Garantie ja egal sein. Da gibt es eigentlich kaum etwas, das kaputt gehen kann. Danach wirst du dein Auto nicht wieder erkennen.
Alles klar. Und dein Motor hat nie Stress gemacht wegen der erhöhten Leistung? Getriebe auch in Ordnung die gesamte Zeit? LG
@@mattho3956 Motor läuft 1a. Bis eben auf die defekte Dichtung (die leider auch einige serien 4C hatten) läuft das Auto problemlos.
Cool
A longer track would give the advantage to the Lotus. I think the Alfa has the better brakes... deeper into the corners. Bigger injectors, and change the boost on the turbo and the 4c could take on just about anything.
Proof if proof were needed, its easier to follow than lead.
What size of tires are you using?
215 45 17 Front, 245 40 18 Rear
Alfo 4C thanks.
@David Man i replaced the cup2 with a set of Nankang AR-1 wich are excelent on track. Overal 0,2-0,3 more G than the cup2. Saddly i dont have videos of my last trackday with those tires. The R888r is not my favorite tire. It let of quite fast when it's hot.
@@alfo4c489 I have heard great things about the AR-1. I love my Yokohama AD08R. I think they are the best deal when driving both street and track. Only weak point is wear... Only lasted about 8 months and 15.000km....
@@CAR_NL "only".. 15.000km is a lot for a track focused tire :D
Have you buy squadra sportiva kw?
No. I direct by KW.
Ist der 4c Serie?
Nein. In der Beschreibung siehst du ein paar der Umbauten.
If 4c had the same power of the exige...no way to stay around 4c...
Not a realistic comparison. The driver of the Lotus is terrible. One of the worst lines around a race track I've ever seen. Missed 90% of the apexes. Quite embarrassing for them.
mark sundberg not realistic?
Direct enemy for alfa 4c is lotus elise cup, not exige cup!
Alfa 4c 1750cc turbo 245 cv vs lotus exige 3.0 cc v6 supercharger 380 cv!
You should at least read what I wrote in reference to my comment of "not realistic" before responding. What you have written is in no way related to my comments. I am criticizing the very poor driving ability of the Lotus driver which has nothing to do with the cars.
mark sundberg I understood your intervention, there is no need to repeat that the Lotus driver is a novice, but you should drive an alfa romeo before commenting.
Completely agree with you, Mark. The Lotus driver didn't hit a single apex and is all over the road. Had he actually have some sort of concept of where to turn in, hitting an apex, braking points, he would have walked all over the 4c.
Der Exige-Fahrer war wohl zum ersten Mal auf dem Hockenheimring, oder? Ansonsten ist eine Zeit um die 2:03 MInuten für ein Auto dieser Kategorie sehr respektabel.
Laut dem Fahrer nicht. Für mich war es allerdings das erste mal auf dem GP Kurs.
4 C Super Sportwagen
die Italiener können es.....
Auch beim 1. Mal hätte er nach ein paar Runden die Idealline wenigstens so ein bisschen beherrschen müssen. Eigentlich eine Schade für Lotus... Na ja, vielleich ein Porsche-Fahrer auf der Probefahrt?!
Alfa is just better plain and simple
Lotus chassis is simply God level..
LOL! @@Abhishek-150
Lotus guy couldn’t hit an apex
Il pilota della exige faceva davvero schifo, hai vinto facile, prendeva le curve come uno che guida con la mascherina. La exige ha un rapporto peso potenza da paura e con un pilota serio fa paura.