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Making me relive my youth form 50 years ago, I always used a pair of Vice Grips to put those pesky caps on the shoe retainer springs 20:30.....oh, the good old days......and I used even more bad words until I learned the trick....Paulie p.s. I gripped the outer edge of the retaining cap instead of trying to grab the inner area...
As a former Motor Mechanic, I can comprehensively say I do not miss working on dirty old drum brakes one little bit, yeap there is a special tool for the anti-rattle springs, but the trick when you don't have one is to use a normal pair of square nose pliers and grip the outer cover, push it over the pin and twist it, not the pin, that is how the special tool works. 👍
They also make a tool for putting the springs on the top it is called a brake spring tool.LOL.did you check to make sure the rubber seal stayed on the old oil filter? If you do not you will destroy the engine very fast.my uncle did that once and got about ten miles down the road and blew his engine up.
Me too! I trained as a mechanic in the 1970s, and finished in the early 1990s. Still got my old tools, including that handy brake tool. I've been a violin maker for 30 years now, and don't miss garage work at all.
Kurtis,,, all of us that had to deal with those retaining springs were feeling your pain. 1960's technology at it's finest. Thanks Karen for another great video. Cheers from Florida!
Still much better than the later efforts with the one-piece, U-shaped combination spring/retainer that forced you to turn the pin instead - because there wasn't room to turn the other bit _around_ the pin!
1920's actually, possibly earlier. They had both band brakes and a very archaic variant of the common brake drum and pads system. Theirs used cams, not hydraulic juice to move the pads into place, actuated by a rod that went all the way to the driver's foot. So yeah, very antique technology. If ain't broke, why change it. :))
My wife was watching this episode over my shoulder just now and commented on your amazingly professional videography. Kudos to you both......your production is really very well done by the best of TH-cam standards. Not easy for such technical content.
I think it’s fair to say that every mechanic is thankful to the guy who invented disc brakes. Been a while since I have worked on drum brakes and hope don’t see any of them again in near future.
After removing the crappy drums and replacing them with discs they have now put the bloody things back on the rear for the parking brake. Dumb 💩 idea IMO.
Fun fact for you, when I was a car mechanic apprentice we had a work safety guy in the workshop who seriously told us not to use brake cleaner for brakes. The guy next to me asked what we should use instead? I can't remember the answer but almost everyone had trouble to not start laughing 😂😂😂.
Unfortunately the editor forgot to dub in the brake cleaner sound effect a la Eric O at South main Auto LLC. 😛 Great vid K&K, much appreciated as always.
@@ecclesmilligan8712 I wrote recently @CuttingEdgeEngineering that kurtis needs a big nasty like Eric has. That would be great and very useful for kurtis!
@@ecclesmilligan8712 I wrote recently @CuttingEdgeEngineering that kurtis could need big nasty like Eric has. It would be very useful and reasonable affordable
My little brother ran a machine and fabrication shop for many years. I loved to hang out on Saturdays and watch while he solved problems. We lost him to cancer this spring and watching your channel brings back fond memories.
You know why I like Kurtis? Because when he was getting frustrated with the spring retainer @19:45, instead of getting angry and throwing tools or smashing something, he stopped what he was doing and cooled off, then came back with a new approach (using the clamp) and continued the job in a different way. That is not easy to do, much respect!
Haven't fooled with drums in 30 years but doesn't the straight section of spring hold the star adjuster wheel in place?? If the spring is reversed the adjuster will back itself off. But that was before automatic adjusters so maybe it's different now.
I know right! I was amazed that he was struggling that much on a simple drum brake job when he's usually arm deep inside some super complicated cylinder or machine making that look simple as anything. The drum brake tools do make it a lot easier --Spring pliers, adjusting 'spoon', and of course the simple retaining spring installation tool make a hard job mush easier!! 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩🤔😄
I actually have the correct tools for servicing Bendix-style drum brakes. I haven't used them in 20.years, but they'll always be there just in case I ever get stupid and buy a car with drum brakes.
It's amazing that Karen is able to get the videos of the most inaccessible areas. Whether of lathe or the fork lift and many other projects on hand..Admirable dedication!
Karen, your editing is spot on! You know what everyone wants to see and you know what everyone doesn’t want to see like 20 lug nuts being removed from the drum. Always your editing serves your viewing public and I think that’s great. And very much appreciated. 🎉
I love the birds. I had a gerbil for years in a cage I'd hand feed and he'd sit on his back legs and eat. I don't mind 20 repetitions with the fast forward mouse but that was almost magic watching the bolts vanish.
Watching you disassemble the brake assembly reminded me of the cardinal rule of working on drum brakes for the first time. "Do one side at a time so you have an assembled side to look at for reference". Great video as usual.
I changed my own drum brakes once. Also had to replace a cylinder. I'm never changing drum brakes again, and this video perfectly captures the experience!
I started my mechanics career out as a on-site forklift mechanic 50 years ago. Fork lifts are truly a mechanics PIA. Most people don't stop to think of all the systems (engine, transmission, differential, charging, cooling, hydraulic and so on) that are stuffed into such a small area. Top that off with 2 inches of ground clearance and the weight of a full sized pickup. Glad this was you and not me (again)!
More than a truck. My cargo van weighs 6000+ lbs. The smallest forklift I've been around was 8000! lbs. (roughly the same physical size shown here.) The "yard loader" weighed as much as a house. ('tho it could lift a fully loaded conex. not that I'd try to _move_ that much mass.)
I think every child of the 60’s and 70’s know the perils of drum brakes. Well done with the clamps and pliers, we old farmers also struggled. Thanks for the great teamwork and video.
Drum brake disassembly, or, how to spend an hour and a half crawling around the grass looking for brake parts that went flying when all that spring tension let go all at once 😀
@@gregedmand9939 - I still have all of my old drum brake tools, tucked into a corner of a drawer in my tool cabinet. Probably never to be used again. I have a lift and friends with old muscle cars, so I keep old stuff around for those occasions.
I always found that Linesman pliers were better for replacing the retaining springs. My father owned a service station when I was growing up in the 60's so the nostalgia here is real.
Any guy who's done his own drums can honestly feel the agony of getting those springs back in place. great job mate. Cheers and have a great weekend you three.
Yup, many years ago in the early '80s with my first car, an old Mk1 Ford Escort with drum brakes! Oh, those spring clips, bringing back a nightmare. A trip down "memory lane"! - The Yale brakes looked a bit more modern! Loved the video guys!
I've definitely done drums before - I think I held the clip on the outside lightly in vice grips, that way the pliers don't get in the way of the key hole slots and the retention notches
In the early 90's I worked at a works Nissan forklift shop in Denmark, so this video was right up my alley. I really love when Karen goes "Hmm", Ohooh" and "Yeeaay" 🙂. Being a former mechanic I can follow every step of the job you'r doing and sometimes guess the next step....I was thinking, ..just use air to blow it out, and then you did, awesome. Big thanks to both of you!!! // Tom - Sweden
G'day Kurtis, Karen. I hate those mounting springs too, just grip washer with multi grips compress and twist. Homie still the star ,he's a champion. Respect...!
There is one - and _only_ one - place where drums are superior to discs. Caliper parking brake cables are an unspeakable _nightmare_ to replace. Drum cables are a breeze in comparison.
@@mazevx2451 The absolute worst was a 280ZX. Others were bad, but that one required pulling _all_ the slack out _and_ stretching the cable a bit just to _barely_ have enough length to hook the second caliper lever. Of course this was compounded by having free-floating nipples retained by ferrules, rather than just crimping/molding the nipples directly on the cable. I ended up putting the car back on the ground so I could use my _feet_ (both of them!) to hold the rest in place while I pulled the cable end out and maneuvered it around. I have vague memories of pushing my head and an elbow against things as well. And removing the caliper didn't help because of how the cable had to route through it. _Not_ one of Nissan's greater successes, however nice the rest of the car was to work on. In hindsight I should have expected something was up when the manual actually suggested _cutting_ the old cable to remove it . . ..
@@Azlehria I had some real trouble replacing the parking brake cables on my VW bus. Gave it all the slack from the tension adjuster/splitter thingy and finally got it done. After replacing both cables and tightening the adjustment bolt for an eternity I realised I had pulled the parking brake all the way. So it was fully engaged the whole time, which was the reason I had to give the cable so much slack. Won't ever be making that mistake again, that's for sure.
I started to twitch recalling my days working on air support equipment in the Navy. Springs flying and used oil filters slipping...and the taste of 90wt on a sandwich. 😂😂😂
I only have one arm and holding the shoes with a clamp is a good idea, I blurted out "you cheater" but those retraining springs can be a bit tricky without another hand to reach around to hold the pin and rotating the slotted disk or vice versa, can't remember how I did it. yes, thanks for disk brakes
What can I say, love your attitude. From an 81 year 0ld engineer, love your work as always, it's not always as simple as it looks, but you won in the end and don't worry what anyone else thinks.Legend.
those spring retaining washers are a bit fiddly but gently gripping the outside with either pliers or mole grips has worked for the past 60 years for me .love the videos .Always something good to watch .
Yup. This is the way. No need for the special tool. Just grab the outside and give it the twist. Once you get the hang of it, it becomes muscle memory.
worked nearly 40 yrs. as forklift technic.. in the early years i had the same trouble but learned fast to use my tool für this small springs. for the big ones ther we hat some spring-puller to set them back.. i just sit here and smile, since 4 1/2 year retired,but fresh are my memorys.. greeting from germany
Using a pipe wrench make it easy to push on these retaining spring. Then the cup must be turned in order to lock, which can be done using appropriate pliers.
My secret weapon for drum brakes, needle nose vice grips. No hand strain on any springs and they're perfect to grip the outside and twist those retainers.
I've been a "Shadetree" mechanic for decades, and I completely sympathize with the struggle on the drum brake springs. I usually use a lager pair of pliers to grab the outer retainer while holding the pin, then twist the retainer to lock it in place rather than trying to use smaller pliers and hold both the pin and retainer. However, I had never thought of using a clamp to hold the brake shoe in place while doing all that... I now have a new method for doing drum brakes! Thanks Kurtis, I always learn something new with your videos.
Kurtis. I really enjoy your videos. I learned to do drum brakes 57 years ago at 8 yrs old. Look up "brake spring pliers" and "brake retaining spring tool". You don't use them often, but they are a Godsend when you need them. Alternatively, a groove ground into a set of slip joint pliers helps hold that washer on the retaining spring. Give Homeless a scritch for me. Blessings from Ohio!
Karen holding Her breath when you were doing those steady posts...brilliant !! So were we !! and your OCD shining through about a small spring...that's what makes you so precise in the engineering tasks. Kudos Kurtis, kudos.
OCD or more just his integrity and perfectionism shining through on his own equipment as well as when doing customer jobs? If you *always* do it right then it won't (shouldn't) come back to bite you. 👍👍
Kurtis, This brought back memories, of all the cars with drums brakes I have worked on, so glad for disc brakes. I felt the tension (pun intended) with those stubborn retaining spring washers. I used bull-nosed pliers around the outside of that washer and turned that while keeping the pin still. I had also copped my fair share of blood blisters when the pliers slipped off the washer and caught my finger. That was a good idea using that clamp to hold in place all the loose bits, so you could focus all your energy (and Karen's many voice overs ... tee hee). I was willing them on, and grunting and swearing with you. As always the effort you put into every job is a testament to your perfectionism. Karen you had your work cut out for you here, another great job. This video is complete seeing destructo-dog Homey in action😂😅, for you to clean up his proud mess. ❤
1990 1 ton Ford slave brake cylinder. Common item in the states, have "C" motorhome with exact setup. 55k miles same issue. Should be in the bone yard, but great fishing rig. Rears no problem, the fronts ? Pain in the tookus !
It sounds like I m not the only one who looks forward to watching Cutting Edge every Friday morning 😁Keep them coming Kurtis and Karen and not forgetting Homeless.
I used to use a normal sized set of pliers on those brake retainers. Just set the jaws slightly open then push straight back to compress the spring. Do not turn just push. Then you can push and turn the pin from the back and release the pressure on the pliers. I did have a tool for the job but could never find it so usually used the pliers. Great videos, I look forward to them every Friday.
35 year mechanic here..... and I'm here to tell ya... the struggle is real on rear brakes. Especially when you get into the bigger industrial brakes. You did good brother!
I agree, I work on Clark forklifts and a lot of other manufactures also. I can not seem to find a tool big enough to use on those spring cups, so I just use needle nose vise grips.
@@TH-camr-k2p Drum brakes are most often rear brakes. Forklifts just don't have the space for discs and calipers due to the hub-drive assembly. This is a very robust braking system.
As a manufacture of heavy offshore equipment, its really nice to see someone actually take care of theire machines. We often clients having issues often result of completly lack of defined services and general cleaning. many times costing the client up to a million dollar or even more if requiring a complete refurbishment, that could have been avoided if following the service manual, and just general taking care of the equipment. not to talk about the risk of very high cost breakdown and loss of carco or even human lifes. its not fun to drop a 2500 metric ton monopile!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering No worries, its always a joy when you get a video from you, usually means something big is going on in Brisbane or some serious metal cutting is needed!
Now that took me back to panel beating and repairing cars/vans in the 90's. Those drum brake springs are a world of entertainment. Excellent job CEE team, now let's get on with the weekend. WOOF to Homie and chirps to George.
I have never related to you more than watching you try to get the hold down springs/cups back on your drum brakes. I usually end up using a socket ended screwdriver and push then turn.
You have to be born an engineer, you can’t just make them! Which means you have to be intuitive and most of the time not needing instructions at all! This one’s a natural! Great to watch, it takes me back,…though I did have to do a similar brake repair on our 50 year old Lansing Bagnall recently, and I am now 77! Getting down is not too bad, but getting back up is another matter! Cheers, enjoy your day off!
Greetings from the northeast coast of Brazil. In a world spinning ever faster out of control, I watch the Kurtis and Karen Show to put the brakes on it. We love you guys. Stay strong.
Homey's joy at disembowling that toy and his look of a job well done was a pleasure to watch and brought joy to my heart. I wish the little things in life could bring me as much happiness too, alas those days are gone. I gotta get me another doggo. Good on ya Homey 👍
Greetings from Boise, Idaho! I was marveling at how Kurtis was remembering exactly how those pesky drum brakes went back together. So many parts that have to go just so. And then you burst my bubble by showing that you took a photo! My hat is off to you for needing to put those springs on correctly. Not OCD, just attention to detail and wanting to do the job right for your own peace of mind. Karen, I enjoy your little exclamations of delight, surprise and wonder. "Oh!" "Ah!" "Yes!" "Oh no!" "etc." And how many times have we all gotten a face full of dust and dirt when working underneath a machine. Great work all!
she took a photo? are you not aware that she records the entire thing from start to finish then edits it. she can freeze frame any part of it. you literally saw it on camera.
Kurtis - I try to watch your videos every week - your machine shop work is very interesting and thoroughly enjoyable. I also like little side trips (like this video does) into different areas of mechanical devices because they showcase the diversity of your knowledge and skills. And continued praise for your producer/director/camera operator/film editor - she really does a great job creating EXCELLENT videos week-after-week. All the best to you and Karin.
Man you gave me flashback to 1966 ,on the job training, doing brake jobs! With normal hand tools. I told the school instructor how difficult it was for me. He stopped me and went to his toolbox, and showed me the proper tools to use! I WAS PISSED, WHY DIDN'T HE SHOW US THE PROPER TOOLS TO START WITH!! HE SAID YOU NEEDED TO LEARN TO REPAIR BRAKES WITH NORMAL HAND TOOLS. IN CASE YOU HAVE BRAKE PROBLEMS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND YOU CAN'T FIND ANY BRAKE TOOLS! ( sorry for long story). Kurtis you did great! Thank you Karen for showing the birds, the birds LOVE ALL OF YOU AT CEE, HOMELESS WAS A HOOT WATCHING HIM PULL THE STUFFING OUT OF HIS TOY!! See you next Friday 😀✌️
Your attention to safety is very encouraging. I'm a licensed Safety Fascist (US EPA HazMat) so I appreciate your efforts. I might mention that brake liniing dust may well contain asbestos, so a dust mask is highly recommended.
Hi guys ! I just had to comment when you couldn't let that sping remain in the wrong position ! Doing things right is a thing my military dad taught all us kids (9) to always do a job with integrity and pride ! I appreciate your dedication to excellence and never saying that's good enough ! Have a great day from Seattle !
Just ONE of those springs or retaining clips pop loose at the wrong moment and all those fears of a locked up wheel could become a reality. Not good. Use the right tools to grab them. I've seen people use side cutters to grab brake shoe springs instead of the right $20 tool and winced knowing it's just a matter of time for metal fatigue to take its toll. Life and Death type stuff depending on when it decides to fail.
After starting the engine you just need to replace the pint of oil that filled the oil filter. Nothing bad is going to happen if you don't, but it goes a long way is satisfying the OCD tendencies all of us DIYers tend to have. Another great video along with professional grade cinematography. You two are a true TH-cam dynamic duo.
I appreciated this video because it shows the issues even the professionals encounter in a job. The goal was clear but achieving that goal seemed almost beyond reach. The human side of the both of you shown through like a beacon. As always the videography was excellent. Karen's support exemplary.
Workshop jobs are important - and I like to see you do them. "Bleep"s and bad words along with the fact that you took a picture before disassembling the brakes AND managed to put two springs on wrong, makes you seem almost human 👍👍😜. You are one of the most thorough, methodical and skilled craftsmen, I have ever seen, and it is rare to see you struggle - I know, editing is part of that, but still. Great job. 👍👍👍
Take that truck and tip it right then left for 30 seconds or so. a 3 inch block under the tire will do, this will get some lube from the differential out into the wheel bearings, make sure the diff. is full first. Keep up the good work, your channel is one of my favorites.
Great to see you got the brakes sorted! I was glad to see that you cleaned the air filter from the INSIDE, a lot of people make the mistake of blasting it with air from the outside and force the dust into the element. Another one of those "when I was younger" stories, when I was watching you put the springs back on the top of the brake shoes reminded me of helping my mate fix his rear drum brakes on his HT Holden wagon and I was using a pair of side cutters to stretch them and hook them back onto the brake shoes. The side cutters slipped off the spring and embedded themselves in my bottom lip..... one week before I was to be Best Man at his wedding! Have a good one guys!
hey Grumpy Thought you were going to say the springs failed where the side cutters gripped them. I got married with sanitary napkin wrapped around my lower leg after I dropped a carving knife into it at the family BBQ the night before. Going to the coast for the honeymoon so refused to have stiches so I could still swim. Before you comment - yeh we'd together for a while before we married 30 years on still show the scar where she tried to kill me every year .
"I was glad to see that you cleaned the air filter from the INSIDE, a lot of people make the mistake of blasting it with air from the outside and force the dust into the element." Yeah that is why he blast air from the outside in at the end You are quite observant🤦♂ th-cam.com/video/G_bTk-Vn9Y0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q-WAy7UMxNg4lghO&t=2147
Oh wow! That is hectic! Thanks for sharing mate. Hope you had an awesome weekend, and as always thanks so much for the support! Cheers - Kurtis and Karen.
As an aircraft maintenance engineer, watching Kurtis struggle with getting the spring and clip on the brake shoes reminded me of trying to do up a P clamp on an aircraft: they're almost always in a s#$t spot, they're effectively spring loaded and you're trying to do up an 8-32 screw and a locknut that is 3/16" or smaller. And the whole time, the clamp is trying its hardest to launch the whole lot across the hangar 😅
Love the video. I work at forklifts and a break issues is nearly always a piston. It's just standard to replace it if you are going that way. If you remove the lip that forms at the back of the break drum. That will help the dust escape. It's the main cause for the build up as the pads wear down into the material. Any time its off always grind it away and it will help keep the breaks nice and free. With all the work your doing that machine will be happy for many years to come. Keep up the good work!
Grinding the lip off also makes it easier to remove the drum next time, especially if you have self adjusting brakes that you can't release from the outside.
Ya know the sad thing is that in my tool box are 20yr old drum clip spring and shoe tools...when I did drum work. They are so required and simple, but watching your muted frustrations...brings back early memories and pain of why I had those tools! Cheers to you, Karen, Homeless and George!
Same here. Those are the kind of tools you never get rid of, even if you don’t use them anymore, because you know how difficult the job is without them.
I didn't think that a forklift's brakes were so similar to those of a car. As for carrying out a task that we are not very familiar with, I have to say that it only takes the persistence of the owner to solve a problem. Hugs from Brazil, Kurt!
The first time I changed the rear brakes on my '93 F150 was in auto shop class. My instructor changed the passenger side while I struggled with the driver side. In the end, I got it right after a few very frustrating efforts! My instructor took five minutes and was looking over my shoulder. He said "I knew you could do it"! I'll never forget my pride. I do all my own work on my vehicles and equipment except for engine machining. A man has to know his limitations. Curtis seems to have none. That's why I watch every video Karen uploads.
Curtis, if I had seen your first class videos 60 years ago, I would have actively sought an apprenticeship. Wonderful technical videos ,they should be required viewing. Cheers from FNQ.👍🔧
When I was a kid...12-13 years old, and had no tools or money, I was using a small pair and a big pair of vise-grips. Small pair for the coil spring retainer, like picking up a nickel the hard way, just enough grip to not bend the retainer, push it on and turn 90 deg, and big pair for the strong retracting springs, just grip the long thin section with the jaws tight and muscle them into place. +++Holding my breath while the dust was blowing my way. '70 VW Beetle and '65 Mustang
Tip for drum breaks as iv spent hours and hours screaming at vehicles and replaced thousands. if you don't have the fancy tools the best tool you can have is regular wide nosed pliers and lean into it and twist the back of the pin into place. A even better trick is long nose locking vice grips.you grip onto the outer washer (not to hard but enough pressure the vice grips hold the washer). push it in and the vice grips you can just twist and it'll pop on every time. drum breaks are a nightmare but small tricks make it manageable. Great video guys!
I think that's the first time ever I've seen a YT channel use brake cleaner to ACTUALLY CLEAN BRAKES! LOL Your editing choices are so good too, never a dull moment.
Funny that drum brakes aside from the infinite number of ways the manufacturers have positioned springs, brakes clips and the like, take the same service that they have for the last 80 years or so. The cellphone camera is the biggest boon to the DIY'r - I still do one at a time, even with the pix!!! Cheers and good work passing on the knowledge and proper work practices to another generation of DIY'rs. Champion job!
Brake shoe retaining clips are always fun, many have flown across the yard to be searched for. I find it best to grip the washer on the outer edge with pliers and push down and twist whilst holding pin at back in. Have a good weekend
I remember working on golf cart drum brakes -- That ONE CHEAP tool that surrounded the cap that slides over the rod and spring was a LIFE saver - more like sanity saver ! Rewarding to watch maintenance on valuable machines.
Friday night after work and here I am totally satisfied and smiling away as Kurtis does a wonderful job with fixing drum brakes and changing the oil and Karen recording it for all of us. Note: Homey requires hard toys as he destroys anything else! I love his toy bags and wee bed and blanket. Have a lovely peaceful weekend, David in NZL.
One more thing. About air filters. As a heavy duty industry (trucking, construction, industrial, marine) the recommendations for air filter service have evolved. It appears that we do more damage (contamination) messing with air filters within tolerance than if we just let them be until the restriction indicator trips. Engine manufacturers are asking us to please wait until the restriction indicator trips before we open the intake envelope. Keep up the good work. My compliments to the videographer/cinematographer behind the camera. Well shot!
I grew up in the days that most cars and trucks had drum brakes so I have all the brake drum tools, don't miss drums at all! funny thing is just a few months ago I had to do the same job on my big old 3.5 ton Toyota forklift, was really happy that I haven't gotten rid of those old tools! PS: That spring also doubles as a keeper so the adjuster screw doesn't back out!
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You do you brother! We're all here for it! Love the variety 🤟
finally made it to class on time....have a wonderful weakend, Paul in the other Sunshine State.......
Making me relive my youth form 50 years ago, I always used a pair of Vice Grips to put those pesky caps on the shoe retainer springs 20:30.....oh, the good old days......and I used even more bad words until I learned the trick....Paulie
p.s. I gripped the outer edge of the retaining cap instead of trying to grab the inner area...
Well, i recognize the problems with assembling drum brakes and the only advice i can give is a lots of patience unfortunately. 😅
You gotta start wearing gloves when youre not doing lathe work mate.
As a former Motor Mechanic, I can comprehensively say I do not miss working on dirty old drum brakes one little bit, yeap there is a special tool for the anti-rattle springs, but the trick when you don't have one is to use a normal pair of square nose pliers and grip the outer cover, push it over the pin and twist it, not the pin, that is how the special tool works. 👍
Thanks for that, I was coming up with a blank on what I would use.
You're on the money, thats the way I do them too. Can't say I blame Kurtis for getting a tad frustrated...I do too.
Thanks heaps for that info
They also make a tool for putting the springs on the top it is called a brake spring tool.LOL.did you check to make sure the rubber seal stayed on the old oil filter? If you do not you will destroy the engine very fast.my uncle did that once and got about ten miles down the road and blew his engine up.
Me too! I trained as a mechanic in the 1970s, and finished in the early 1990s. Still got my old tools, including that handy brake tool. I've been a violin maker for 30 years now, and don't miss garage work at all.
Kurtis,,, all of us that had to deal with those retaining springs were feeling your pain. 1960's technology at it's finest. Thanks Karen for another great video. Cheers from Florida!
60s? Try 30s!
Agree, getting those retaining pins together is a pain!
The flashbacks, the anxiety!
Still much better than the later efforts with the one-piece, U-shaped combination spring/retainer that forced you to turn the pin instead - because there wasn't room to turn the other bit _around_ the pin!
1920's actually, possibly earlier. They had both band brakes and a very archaic variant of the common brake drum and pads system. Theirs used cams, not hydraulic juice to move the pads into place, actuated by a rod that went all the way to the driver's foot. So yeah, very antique technology. If ain't broke, why change it. :))
My wife was watching this episode over my shoulder just now and commented on your amazingly professional videography. Kudos to you both......your production is really very well done by the best of TH-cam standards. Not easy for such technical content.
That you went back and fixed the spring that probably doesn’t make any difference just because you knew it was wrong speaks volumes. Much respect.
It's called being a craftsman. As he said, the only one who'd know it wasn't right was him, which is why he had to go back and do it right.
It's integrity and professionalism
It can make a difference as the sprocket on the adjuster interfaces with the spring for the self adjusting function as the shoes wear.
@@detectIR01 Absolutely
That happens when you work on your own stuff :)
I think it’s fair to say that every mechanic is thankful to the guy who invented disc brakes. Been a while since I have worked on drum brakes and hope don’t see any of them again in near future.
The first disc brake was invented in 1902 by Frederic Wilhelm Lanchester, an English engineer...but Renault prevailed with his dirty drum brakes. LOL
After removing the crappy drums and replacing them with discs they have now put the bloody things back on the rear for the parking brake. Dumb 💩 idea IMO.
@@josephking6515 there is still cars coming out of factory today with disc brakes at front and drums at rear🤦♂️
Then there is the Corvette Stingray front brake caliper/pad setup that just sucks.
@BruceBoschek yet another reason to hate Renault. =p
As you disassembled the brakes, I knew the moment the bleeps were coming. Thanks for the memories!
Did you change the wheel seal. We always change the wheel seal when we hud off leaking or not.
9o@@shawnam564
no paddling between floor n him. srthritis
nice clean
First time in TH-cam history I see someone actually using brake and parts cleaner for cleaning brakes🙂
Fun fact for you, when I was a car mechanic apprentice we had a work safety guy in the workshop who seriously told us not to use brake cleaner for brakes. The guy next to me asked what we should use instead? I can't remember the answer but almost everyone had trouble to not start laughing 😂😂😂.
Unfortunately the editor forgot to dub in the brake cleaner sound effect a la Eric O at South main Auto LLC. 😛 Great vid K&K, much appreciated as always.
@@imtheeastgermanguy5431 Not the ubiquitous "oily rag"?
@@ecclesmilligan8712 I wrote recently @CuttingEdgeEngineering that kurtis needs a big nasty like Eric has. That would be great and very useful for kurtis!
@@ecclesmilligan8712 I wrote recently @CuttingEdgeEngineering that kurtis could need big nasty like Eric has. It would be very useful and reasonable affordable
My little brother ran a machine and fabrication shop for many years. I loved to hang out on Saturdays and watch while he solved problems. We lost him to cancer this spring and watching your channel brings back fond memories.
Kurtis just a quick one would it had been better to check everything was ok before fitting the hubs
You know why I like Kurtis? Because when he was getting frustrated with the spring retainer @19:45, instead of getting angry and throwing tools or smashing something, he stopped what he was doing and cooled off, then came back with a new approach (using the clamp) and continued the job in a different way. That is not easy to do, much respect!
That "it won't hurt anything, but i will forever know it's wrong" feeling... much respect, brother
Haven't fooled with drums in 30 years but doesn't the straight section of spring hold the star adjuster wheel in place?? If the spring is reversed the adjuster will back itself off. But that was before automatic adjusters so maybe it's different now.
I know that feeling. Sometimes I think I'm a bit OCD, but I know what I've done is right!
Kurtis has so many specialized tools, it's a rare treat to see him have to muscle his way through with pliers and determination.
I know right! I was amazed that he was struggling that much on a simple drum brake job when he's usually arm deep inside some super complicated cylinder or machine making that look simple as anything. The drum brake tools do make it a lot easier --Spring pliers, adjusting 'spoon', and of course the simple retaining spring installation tool make a hard job mush easier!! 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩🤔😄
I actually have the correct tools for servicing Bendix-style drum brakes. I haven't used them in 20.years, but they'll always be there just in case I ever get stupid and buy a car with drum brakes.
He is having a bad time with the backing plate springs So I told Karen about them.
@@tdotw77 well he likely never works on drum brakes as cars are usually discs only assuming he does his own car maintenance .
He could just use zip lines to compress the spring and than cut it to uncompress it. :)
It's amazing that Karen is able to get the videos of the most inaccessible areas. Whether of lathe or the fork lift and many other projects on hand..Admirable dedication!
Karen, your editing is spot on! You know what everyone wants to see and you know what everyone doesn’t want to see like 20 lug nuts being removed from the drum. Always your editing serves your viewing public and I think that’s great. And very much appreciated. 🎉
I love the birds. I had a gerbil for years in a cage I'd hand feed and he'd sit on his back legs and eat. I don't mind 20 repetitions with the fast forward mouse but that was almost magic watching the bolts vanish.
It's really what sets this channel apart from others. The editing is so good and seamless. Moar split screens!!!
One of the best! no crazy music nature in the background, machine noise, occasionally a bleep😅 .
I agree the filmmaking is superb.
They definitely make an awesome team.
Interesting content, expert machinist and perfection in filming and editing.
Watching you disassemble the brake assembly reminded me of the cardinal rule of working on drum brakes for the first time. "Do one side at a time so you have an assembled side to look at for reference". Great video as usual.
That's assuming that the previous guy assembled them correctly
Yeah I usually do it that way too! 👍🏻👌🏻🛠️🔧🔩😄
At least he had a detailed video to reference if needed
Or just have Karen recording video of everything you do so you can go back and look at the video.
I changed my own drum brakes once. Also had to replace a cylinder. I'm never changing drum brakes again, and this video perfectly captures the experience!
I started my mechanics career out as a on-site forklift mechanic 50 years ago. Fork lifts are truly a mechanics PIA. Most people don't stop to think of all the systems (engine, transmission, differential, charging, cooling, hydraulic and so on) that are stuffed into such a small area. Top that off with 2 inches of ground clearance and the weight of a full sized pickup. Glad this was you and not me (again)!
More than a truck. My cargo van weighs 6000+ lbs. The smallest forklift I've been around was 8000! lbs. (roughly the same physical size shown here.) The "yard loader" weighed as much as a house. ('tho it could lift a fully loaded conex. not that I'd try to _move_ that much mass.)
Seeing the brake dust buildup and damaged slave cylinder was eye-opening. Makes me want to check my equipment more frequently.
I think every child of the 60’s and 70’s know the perils of drum brakes. Well done with the clamps and pliers, we old farmers also struggled. Thanks for the great teamwork and video.
Drum brake disassembly, or, how to spend an hour and a half crawling around the grass looking for brake parts that went flying when all that spring tension let go all at once 😀
Having the right drum brake tools, the spring removers and such help a lot.
@@gregedmand9939 - I still have all of my old drum brake tools, tucked into a corner of a drawer in my tool cabinet. Probably never to be used again. I have a lift and friends with old muscle cars, so I keep old stuff around for those occasions.
I always found that Linesman pliers were better for replacing the retaining springs. My father owned a service station when I was growing up in the 60's so the nostalgia here is real.
alot of the economy european cars run drums in the rears nowadays so i still have the fun of servicing them dailey
This is becoming a nice Friday morning ritual for me here in Germany! Always on time with great machining content! Pure entertainment!
Thanks for taking time to watch all the way in Germany!
Agree!
That's Ozzy efficiency for you.
Same for me
Same here ^^ Timing lines up nicely.
This is the first time I’ve seen brake cleaner actually used on brakes!!
Awesome video by the way, as usual!!
Any guy who's done his own drums can honestly feel the agony of getting those springs back in place. great job mate. Cheers and have a great weekend you three.
Yup, many years ago in the early '80s with my first car, an old Mk1 Ford Escort with drum brakes! Oh, those spring clips, bringing back a nightmare. A trip down "memory lane"! - The Yale brakes looked a bit more modern! Loved the video guys!
I've definitely done drums before - I think I held the clip on the outside lightly in vice grips, that way the pliers don't get in the way of the key hole slots and the retention notches
In the early 90's I worked at a works Nissan forklift shop in Denmark, so this video was right up my alley. I really love when Karen goes "Hmm", Ohooh" and "Yeeaay" 🙂. Being a former mechanic I can follow every step of the job you'r doing and sometimes guess the next step....I was thinking, ..just use air to blow it out, and then you did, awesome. Big thanks to both of you!!! // Tom - Sweden
G'day Kurtis, Karen.
I hate those mounting springs too, just grip washer with multi grips compress and twist.
Homie still the star ,he's a champion.
Respect...!
watching Curtis assemble those drum brakes removes any doubt why every auto mechanic hates drum brakes with all their soul.
There is one - and _only_ one - place where drums are superior to discs.
Caliper parking brake cables are an unspeakable _nightmare_ to replace. Drum cables are a breeze in comparison.
@@Azlehriawhat? At least those I did where a piece of cake
@@mazevx2451 The absolute worst was a 280ZX. Others were bad, but that one required pulling _all_ the slack out _and_ stretching the cable a bit just to _barely_ have enough length to hook the second caliper lever. Of course this was compounded by having free-floating nipples retained by ferrules, rather than just crimping/molding the nipples directly on the cable.
I ended up putting the car back on the ground so I could use my _feet_ (both of them!) to hold the rest in place while I pulled the cable end out and maneuvered it around. I have vague memories of pushing my head and an elbow against things as well.
And removing the caliper didn't help because of how the cable had to route through it. _Not_ one of Nissan's greater successes, however nice the rest of the car was to work on.
In hindsight I should have expected something was up when the manual actually suggested _cutting_ the old cable to remove it . . ..
Drum brakes are easy stuff.
@@Azlehria I had some real trouble replacing the parking brake cables on my VW bus. Gave it all the slack from the tension adjuster/splitter thingy and finally got it done.
After replacing both cables and tightening the adjustment bolt for an eternity I realised I had pulled the parking brake all the way. So it was fully engaged the whole time, which was the reason I had to give the cable so much slack.
Won't ever be making that mistake again, that's for sure.
I really appreciate that you've been doing youtube for 4 years and are still keeping it fresh. 👍
thanks for the great comment and noticing the effort, we have fun video/editing different content 😁
Watching the battle with the shoe retaining springs brought many memories!Thank God for creating who ever invented disc brakes!
I started to twitch recalling my days working on air support equipment in the Navy. Springs flying and used oil filters slipping...and the taste of 90wt on a sandwich. 😂😂😂
I only have one arm and holding the shoes with a clamp is a good idea, I blurted out "you cheater" but those retraining springs can be a bit tricky without another hand to reach around to hold the pin and rotating the slotted disk or vice versa, can't remember how I did it. yes, thanks for disk brakes
and yes take a picture of it before or you're screwed,
What can I say, love your attitude. From an 81 year 0ld engineer, love your work as always, it's not always as simple as it looks, but you won in the end and don't worry what anyone else thinks.Legend.
Every mechanic whose done more than 5 drum brakes have their favorite retainer keeper plyers🎉
those spring retaining washers are a bit fiddly but gently gripping the outside with either pliers or mole grips has worked for the past 60 years for me .love the videos .Always something good to watch .
Yup. This is the way. No need for the special tool. Just grab the outside and give it the twist. Once you get the hang of it, it becomes muscle memory.
The important part is to use high quality pliers with zero play. Something like Knipex Cobra or similar quality pliers is the way to go.
have to agree a pliers or small vice grip works every time.
I prefer water pump pliers (when there is room)
worked nearly 40 yrs. as forklift technic.. in the early years i had the same trouble but learned fast to use my tool für this small springs. for the big ones ther we hat some spring-puller to set them back.. i just sit here and smile, since 4 1/2 year retired,but fresh are my memorys.. greeting from germany
Using a pipe wrench make it easy to push on these retaining spring. Then the cup must be turned in order to lock, which can be done using appropriate pliers.
My secret weapon for drum brakes, needle nose vice grips. No hand strain on any springs and they're perfect to grip the outside and twist those retainers.
Can I just say, I really appreciate you promoting doing things the safe way!
Cutting edge engineering? More like cutting edge everything! Seriously it doesn’t matter what you guys seem to work on it’s always a joy to watch.
I've been a "Shadetree" mechanic for decades, and I completely sympathize with the struggle on the drum brake springs. I usually use a lager pair of pliers to grab the outer retainer while holding the pin, then twist the retainer to lock it in place rather than trying to use smaller pliers and hold both the pin and retainer.
However, I had never thought of using a clamp to hold the brake shoe in place while doing all that... I now have a new method for doing drum brakes! Thanks Kurtis, I always learn something new with your videos.
Reminder of sitting in the snow fighting the brakes on my old Ford Cortina many years ago. Thanks for the memories guys. 👍
Totally agree. Many memories of doing this with my dad on cold winters Sunday afternoon in sunny Scotland. Oh , it was a ford cortina
Was it a funky ford cortina?
Kurtis. I really enjoy your videos. I learned to do drum brakes 57 years ago at 8 yrs old. Look up "brake spring pliers" and "brake retaining spring tool". You don't use them often, but they are a Godsend when you need them. Alternatively, a groove ground into a set of slip joint pliers helps hold that washer on the retaining spring. Give Homeless a scritch for me. Blessings from Ohio!
Kurtis basically only needs to see a photo of "brake retaining spring tool" and he can easily manufacture his own.
@@MikkoRantalainenhe could but they're pretty cheap
I spent half an hour looking for looking for one of those damn springs in a lawn in need of mowing. Thank you to the inventor of disc brakes.
The beauty of reassembling drum brakes. What an utter PITA.
Karen holding Her breath when you were doing those steady posts...brilliant !! So were we !! and your OCD shining through about a small spring...that's what makes you so precise in the engineering tasks. Kudos Kurtis, kudos.
I personally have CDO. That's OCD, but in alphabetical order!
OCD or more just his integrity and perfectionism shining through on his own equipment as well as when doing customer jobs? If you *always* do it right then it won't (shouldn't) come back to bite you. 👍👍
Karen doesn’t like being in front of the camera but her little voice additions are a nice touch 👍🏻🤩😀
I’m sure glad I’m not alone on the struggle bus with those damn springs 😢😡🫣
Kurtis, This brought back memories, of all the cars with drums brakes I have worked on, so glad for disc brakes. I felt the tension (pun intended) with those stubborn retaining spring washers. I used bull-nosed pliers around the outside of that washer and turned that while keeping the pin still. I had also copped my fair share of blood blisters when the pliers slipped off the washer and caught my finger. That was a good idea using that clamp to hold in place all the loose bits, so you could focus all your energy (and Karen's many voice overs ... tee hee). I was willing them on, and grunting and swearing with you. As always the effort you put into every job is a testament to your perfectionism. Karen you had your work cut out for you here, another great job. This video is complete seeing destructo-dog Homey in action😂😅, for you to clean up his proud mess. ❤
I was just thinking last week... The forklift is the loyal servant in every video and we never hear about it, thanks for reading my mind!
Ha ha ha! I've spent years noting all the ways Kurtis uses forklifts. It's probably forklift envy.
1990 1 ton Ford slave brake cylinder. Common item in the states, have "C" motorhome with exact setup. 55k miles same issue. Should be in the bone yard, but great fishing rig. Rears no problem, the fronts ? Pain in the tookus !
Using Brake Clean to actually clean brakes? That is unheard of! 😁😜🤘
It sounds like I m not the only one who looks forward to watching Cutting Edge every Friday morning 😁Keep them coming Kurtis and Karen and not forgetting Homeless.
Bringing the camera to the ground before Curtis, looking for leaks. was cinematography at its finest 👌.
*kurtis
@TH-camr-k2p oh I didn't know that. My apologies Kurtis. Kinda interesting because I would have spelled Kurt with a k lol. 🤔
I used to use a normal sized set of pliers on those brake retainers. Just set the jaws slightly open then push straight back to compress the spring. Do not turn just push. Then you can push and turn the pin from the back and release the pressure on the pliers. I did have a tool for the job but could never find it so usually used the pliers. Great videos, I look forward to them every Friday.
Ha ha, "..The problem is I KNOW it is wrong.." Havent we all been there, feeling that frustration.
“Although these springs positions aren’t that important, I know it’s wrong , so…”
I feel the very same way in whatever I do, i like that!👍
Love watching other people work on drum brakes, brings back memories...
35 year mechanic here..... and I'm here to tell ya... the struggle is real on rear brakes. Especially when you get into the bigger industrial brakes. You did good brother!
I agree, I work on Clark forklifts and a lot of other manufactures also. I can not seem to find a tool big enough to use on those spring cups, so I just use needle nose vise grips.
These were the front brakes.
@@TH-camr-k2p Drum brakes are most often rear brakes. Forklifts just don't have the space for discs and calipers due to the hub-drive assembly. This is a very robust braking system.
@@TH-camr-k2p Yep. You're correct. I meant to say drum.
As a manufacture of heavy offshore equipment, its really nice to see someone actually take care of theire machines. We often clients having issues often result of completly lack of defined services and general cleaning. many times costing the client up to a million dollar or even more if requiring a complete refurbishment, that could have been avoided if following the service manual, and just general taking care of the equipment. not to talk about the risk of very high cost breakdown and loss of carco or even human lifes. its not fun to drop a 2500 metric ton monopile!
Friday Mornings have never been better without a Cutting Edge Engineering Video! keep them coming!
Hey mate thanks so much for your support we really appreciate it!
Where's your location if you are morning where you is and it's evening here? Where ever you are have a good one and enjoy your weekend. 👍👍
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering No worries, its always a joy when you get a video from you, usually means something big is going on in Brisbane or some serious metal cutting is needed!
Now that took me back to panel beating and repairing cars/vans in the 90's. Those drum brake springs are a world of entertainment. Excellent job CEE team, now let's get on with the weekend. WOOF to Homie and chirps to George.
I have never related to you more than watching you try to get the hold down springs/cups back on your drum brakes. I usually end up using a socket ended screwdriver and push then turn.
You have to be born an engineer, you can’t just make them! Which means you have to be intuitive and most of the time not needing instructions at all! This one’s a natural! Great to watch, it takes me back,…though I did have to do a similar brake repair on our 50 year old Lansing Bagnall recently, and I am now 77! Getting down is not too bad, but getting back up is another matter! Cheers, enjoy your day off!
I was going to say WOW! That is the cleanest pair of brake shoes I have ever seen!😄😄😄
Reconditioning slave cylinders, wheel cylinders, master cylinders is what i do. Nice video kurtis and Karen, well done. Thanks.😊
Greetings from the northeast coast of Brazil. In a world spinning ever faster out of control, I watch the Kurtis and Karen Show to put the brakes on it. We love you guys. Stay strong.
Homey's joy at disembowling that toy and his look of a job well done was a pleasure to watch and brought joy to my heart. I wish the little things in life could bring me as much happiness too, alas those days are gone. I gotta get me another doggo. Good on ya Homey 👍
Yes, do that. They are such great companions, and your last doggo's Spirit in the Sky won't get jealous.
Apologies to whoever gifted that to you, but "Grrrrrona" is a Mexican beer, and frankly, had it's demise coming in the land of Aussie brews!
Greetings from Boise, Idaho! I was marveling at how Kurtis was remembering exactly how those pesky drum brakes went back together. So many parts that have to go just so. And then you burst my bubble by showing that you took a photo! My hat is off to you for needing to put those springs on correctly. Not OCD, just attention to detail and wanting to do the job right for your own peace of mind. Karen, I enjoy your little exclamations of delight, surprise and wonder. "Oh!" "Ah!" "Yes!" "Oh no!" "etc." And how many times have we all gotten a face full of dust and dirt when working underneath a machine. Great work all!
she took a photo? are you not aware that she records the entire thing from start to finish then edits it. she can freeze frame any part of it. you literally saw it on camera.
Kurtis - I try to watch your videos every week - your machine shop work is very interesting and thoroughly enjoyable. I also like little side trips (like this video does) into different areas of mechanical devices because they showcase the diversity of your knowledge and skills. And continued praise for your producer/director/camera operator/film editor - she really does a great job creating EXCELLENT videos week-after-week. All the best to you and Karin.
Lucky to have birds supervising the work processes and providing input.
Man you gave me flashback to 1966 ,on the job training, doing brake jobs! With normal hand tools. I told the school instructor how difficult it was for me. He stopped me and went to his toolbox, and showed me the proper tools to use! I WAS PISSED, WHY DIDN'T HE SHOW US THE PROPER TOOLS TO START WITH!! HE SAID YOU NEEDED TO LEARN TO REPAIR BRAKES WITH NORMAL HAND TOOLS. IN CASE YOU HAVE BRAKE PROBLEMS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND YOU CAN'T FIND ANY BRAKE TOOLS! ( sorry for long story). Kurtis you did great! Thank you Karen for showing the birds, the birds LOVE ALL OF YOU AT CEE, HOMELESS WAS A HOOT WATCHING HIM PULL THE STUFFING OUT OF HIS TOY!! See you next Friday 😀✌️
Your attention to safety is very encouraging. I'm a licensed Safety Fascist (US EPA HazMat) so I appreciate your efforts. I might mention that brake liniing dust may well contain asbestos, so a dust mask is highly recommended.
One Forklift brake repair, done. Well done Kurtis and Karen.... 😀
Hi guys ! I just had to comment when you couldn't let that sping remain in the wrong position ! Doing things right is a thing my military dad taught all us kids (9) to always do a job with integrity and pride ! I appreciate your dedication to excellence and never saying that's good enough ! Have a great day from Seattle !
Just ONE of those springs or retaining clips pop loose at the wrong moment and all those fears of a locked up wheel could become a reality. Not good. Use the right tools to grab them. I've seen people use side cutters to grab brake shoe springs instead of the right $20 tool and winced knowing it's just a matter of time for metal fatigue to take its toll. Life and Death type stuff depending on when it decides to fail.
After starting the engine you just need to replace the pint of oil that filled the oil filter. Nothing bad is going to happen if you don't, but it goes a long way is satisfying the OCD tendencies all of us DIYers tend to have. Another great video along with professional grade cinematography. You two are a true TH-cam dynamic duo.
I appreciated this video because it shows the issues even the professionals encounter in a job. The goal was clear but achieving that goal seemed almost beyond reach. The human side of the both of you shown through like a beacon. As always the videography was excellent. Karen's support exemplary.
Workshop jobs are important - and I like to see you do them. "Bleep"s and bad words along with the fact that you took a picture before disassembling the brakes AND managed to put two springs on wrong, makes you seem almost human 👍👍😜.
You are one of the most thorough, methodical and skilled craftsmen, I have ever seen, and it is rare to see you struggle - I know, editing is part of that, but still.
Great job. 👍👍👍
Take that truck and tip it right then left for 30 seconds or so. a 3 inch block under the tire will do, this will get some lube from the differential out into the wheel bearings, make sure the diff. is full first. Keep up the good work, your channel is one of my favorites.
Great to see you got the brakes sorted! I was glad to see that you cleaned the air filter from the INSIDE, a lot of people make the mistake of blasting it with air from the outside and force the dust into the element.
Another one of those "when I was younger" stories, when I was watching you put the springs back on the top of the brake shoes reminded me of helping my mate fix his rear drum brakes on his HT Holden wagon and I was using a pair of side cutters to stretch them and hook them back onto the brake shoes. The side cutters slipped off the spring and embedded themselves in my bottom lip..... one week before I was to be Best Man at his wedding!
Have a good one guys!
hey Grumpy Thought you were going to say the springs failed where the side cutters gripped them. I got married with sanitary napkin wrapped around my lower leg after I dropped a carving knife into it at the family BBQ the night before. Going to the coast for the honeymoon so refused to have stiches so I could still swim. Before you comment - yeh we'd together for a while before we married 30 years on still show the scar where she tried to kill me every year .
Ouch!
"I was glad to see that you cleaned the air filter from the INSIDE, a lot of people make the
mistake of blasting it with air from the outside and force the dust into the element."
Yeah that is why he blast air from the outside in at the end
You are quite observant🤦♂
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@@spooky3669 Who rattled your chain mate?
Oh wow! That is hectic! Thanks for sharing mate. Hope you had an awesome weekend, and as always thanks so much for the support! Cheers - Kurtis and Karen.
Brake retaining spring tool is what it's called. Amazon or any parts store will have them. Love the show! Retired machinist here.
As an aircraft maintenance engineer, watching Kurtis struggle with getting the spring and clip on the brake shoes reminded me of trying to do up a P clamp on an aircraft: they're almost always in a s#$t spot, they're effectively spring loaded and you're trying to do up an 8-32 screw and a locknut that is 3/16" or smaller. And the whole time, the clamp is trying its hardest to launch the whole lot across the hangar 😅
The F clamp holding those brake shoes in place was genius. Love that idea!
The F words helped as well
Genius?
Love the video. I work at forklifts and a break issues is nearly always a piston. It's just standard to replace it if you are going that way. If you remove the lip that forms at the back of the break drum. That will help the dust escape. It's the main cause for the build up as the pads wear down into the material. Any time its off always grind it away and it will help keep the breaks nice and free. With all the work your doing that machine will be happy for many years to come. Keep up the good work!
Hey mate thanks for all the tips!
Grinding the lip off also makes it easier to remove the drum next time, especially if you have self adjusting brakes that you can't release from the outside.
This is the type of comment I was hoping someone would provide!!! Really enjoy the videos. Thank you.
Couldn't have had much of a lip and/or working self adjusters, as the drums came off pretty easy without anything backed off.
Ya know the sad thing is that in my tool box are 20yr old drum clip spring and shoe tools...when I did drum work. They are so required and simple, but watching your muted frustrations...brings back early memories and pain of why I had those tools! Cheers to you, Karen, Homeless and George!
Same here. Those are the kind of tools you never get rid of, even if you don’t use them anymore, because you know how difficult the job is without them.
Went to the front page to watch a playlist, saw this and went straight for it. I think this is my first under 10 minute old video.
Hey mate thanks for watching!
I didn't think that a forklift's brakes were so similar to those of a car. As for carrying out a task that we are not very familiar with, I have to say that it only takes the persistence of the owner to solve a problem. Hugs from Brazil, Kurt!
The first time I changed the rear brakes on my '93 F150 was in auto shop class. My instructor changed the passenger side while I struggled with the driver side. In the end, I got it right after a few very frustrating efforts! My instructor took five minutes and was looking over my shoulder. He said "I knew you could do it"! I'll never forget my pride. I do all my own work on my vehicles and equipment except for engine machining. A man has to know his limitations. Curtis seems to have none. That's why I watch every video Karen uploads.
"Yessss!!!" So glad my own commentary on finicky springs is mirrored by my favorite Australian cinematographer. 💯 immersed.
I love getting too watch yall do shop infrastructure and repairs one of my favorites ! yall rock keep up the awesome videos!
Curtis, if I had seen your first class videos 60 years ago, I would have actively sought an apprenticeship. Wonderful technical videos ,they should be required viewing.
Cheers from FNQ.👍🔧
As someone who has to work on drum brakes constantly being an automotive tech, I got great enjoyment watching you struggle and cuss😅😅.
I loved the "really bad words" caption! I call them "working words"!
I love your relationship with the birds.
When I was a kid...12-13 years old, and had no tools or money, I was using a small pair and a big pair of vise-grips. Small pair for the coil spring retainer, like picking up a nickel the hard way, just enough grip to not bend the retainer, push it on and turn 90 deg, and big pair for the strong retracting springs, just grip the long thin section with the jaws tight and muscle them into place. +++Holding my breath while the dust was blowing my way. '70 VW Beetle and '65 Mustang
انا معجب بشكل كبير لأنك تعمل بضمير وبمهنية عالية . ترضي الزبائن الأعزاء وسعيدين جدا لأننا معك . تقديري لحظرتكم من العراق ( بلد الانحراف ) .
Love this channel. I am a mechanical and nuclear engineer from the US. Luckily I can be up and watch these when they release. TY for these videos.
Tip for drum breaks as iv spent hours and hours screaming at vehicles and replaced thousands. if you don't have the fancy tools the best tool you can have is regular wide nosed pliers and lean into it and twist the back of the pin into place. A even better trick is long nose locking vice grips.you grip onto the outer washer (not to hard but enough pressure the vice grips hold the washer). push it in and the vice grips you can just twist and it'll pop on every time. drum breaks are a nightmare but small tricks make it manageable. Great video guys!
I think that's the first time ever I've seen a YT channel use brake cleaner to ACTUALLY CLEAN BRAKES! LOL
Your editing choices are so good too, never a dull moment.
Glad to see some maintenance first on yourself Kurtis & then the Machinery.
Funny that drum brakes aside from the infinite number of ways the manufacturers have positioned springs, brakes clips and the like, take the same service that they have for the last 80 years or so. The cellphone camera is the biggest boon to the DIY'r - I still do one at a time, even with the pix!!! Cheers and good work passing on the knowledge and proper work practices to another generation of DIY'rs. Champion job!
Brake shoe retaining clips are always fun, many have flown across the yard to be searched for. I find it best to grip the washer on the outer edge with pliers and push down and twist whilst holding pin at back in. Have a good weekend
Brings back memories of doing the brakes on my first car a 62 holden with 4 wheel drums and all the reasons i love disc brakes!
Mine was a 1964 Dodge Dart Lancer when I was 8 yrs old with my dad!
I remember working on golf cart drum brakes -- That ONE CHEAP tool that surrounded the cap that slides over the rod and spring was a LIFE saver - more like sanity saver ! Rewarding to watch maintenance on valuable machines.
Nice to see/hear Kurtis slowly getting used to his new “situation” and sounding like his old self.
improving each week! 😁
And I’m sure you are feeling like a new man every day
@@CuttingEdgeEngineeringyour new smile has you looking several years younger man
I thought he was more ruggedly handsome with the British Teeth
Man, I thought something was different about him 😂
Friday night after work and here I am totally satisfied and smiling away as Kurtis does a wonderful job with fixing drum brakes and changing the oil and Karen recording it for all of us.
Note: Homey requires hard toys as he destroys anything else! I love his toy bags and wee bed and blanket. Have a lovely peaceful weekend, David in NZL.
Friday night? It's only 3 hours into Friday morning here... you must be on the other side of the date line!
One more thing. About air filters.
As a heavy duty industry (trucking, construction, industrial, marine) the recommendations for air filter service have evolved. It appears that we do more damage (contamination) messing with air filters within tolerance than if we just let them be until the restriction indicator trips. Engine manufacturers are asking us to please wait until the restriction indicator trips before we open the intake envelope.
Keep up the good work. My compliments to the videographer/cinematographer behind the camera. Well shot!
My favourite part of Friday! Thank you as always K, K & H.👍
On your marks! Get set! Watch CEE video!
Thanks to both of you and have a great week!
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
Hey Alan! Hope you have a great rest of your week too mate
I grew up in the days that most cars and trucks had drum brakes so I have all the brake drum tools, don't miss drums at all! funny thing is just a few months ago I had to do the same job on my big old 3.5 ton Toyota forklift, was really happy that I haven't gotten rid of those old tools! PS: That spring also doubles as a keeper so the adjuster screw doesn't back out!