*Timestamps:* 0:00 - Introduction 0:17 - Topic of the stream 0:54 - Brother Paul reads an excerpt from the Book: New Testament History & Literature 1:56 - Existence of the Historical Jesus 8:35 - Origins of the New Testament & the evolution of its subsequent Theology 11:29 - Evolution of the Church 15:36 - Canonization of the Four Gospels & Analysing the Authorship of the New Testament 20:14 - Development of the Christian Doctrine & its various theologies & practices 38:08 - Persecution of the Christians 44:02 - Brief Biography of Origen 46:59 - Was Constantine a Christian? 52:34 - The Myth of Constantine making Christianity the official religion of Rome & his actual role 55:07 - Origins of Roman Catholicism & papal infallibility 57:12 - Global Spread of Christianity in the modern world & it becoming a World Religion 1:05:09 - Global Interactions between different Religious People 1:06:19 - Wrapping Up SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖 Excellent & Informative Stream 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻
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@@BloggingTheology ___ **نصيحه هامه لكل مغترب؛** _____ ______ **يجب أن تتكلم** _______ حصل سوء فهم كبير بأن الدين الإسلامي انتشر عن طريق الخلق الحسن فقط ؛ فالتجار و غيرهم كانوا يبتغون من فضل الله تعالى ، ولكنهم لم ينسوا مهمتهم كدعاه للدين الإسلامي، فكانو يتعمدون اظهار امانتهم و خلقهم الحسن حتى تكون ذريعه لهم لنشر الدين الإسلامي قولا و تفصيلا. -------------------------------------- **باختصار ماذا يجب ان تقول :** 1- التوحيد 2_ التبشير بالجنه و الترهيب من عذاب النار 3_ اعطائهم نسخه من القرآن مترجمه بلغتهم، حتى وإن كانت على شكل ملف الكتروني PDF . ___________________________ **بالتفصيل اكثر ** مهما كان السبب لفتح النقاش الديني ( عنف، حقوق مرأه.. الخ) ، قل لهم : قبل ان اناقشكم يجب ان اعطيكم فكره مختصره عن الدين الإسلامي، وتقول : "نحن أيضاً نؤمن بعيسى عليه السلام و نحبه، و لكننا لا نعتبره إله، و محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم نبي مثل كل الأنبياء عليهم السلام، ونحن كمسلمون نؤمن بهم جميعاً، والقرآن مثل كل الكتب السماويه السابقه( التي حرفت كالانجيل و التوراه)، ولكن لأنه اخر كتاب مع آخر نبي مرسل، تعهد الله عز و جل بحفظه من اي تحريف، و في بداية القرآن بعد سورة الفاتحه يقول الله عز وجل في سورة البقره بأن هذا الكتاب هو كلامه سبحانه وتعالى وخال من اي خطأ، و في القرآن يتحدى كل البشريه بأن يجدوا فيه خطأ او ان يحرفوه او ان ياتو بمثله " ------------------------------------------- **و باختصار أيضاً :** " ان السبيل الوحيد لدخول الجنه هو الايمان بالله عز وجل الواحد الأحد دون اي شريك معه ( حتى و ان كان نبي كسيدنا عيسى عليه السلام او محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، او حتى كوساطه للشفاعه عند الله، كالقديسين و غيرهم) ------------------------------------ **و ضروري أيضاً** ذكر عذاب جهنم، بأن من يكفر بانعم الله عز و جل، ويعيش على هذه الارض يتنعم بانعم الله عز و جل ولا يشكره عليها، بل حتى يعصيه او يشكر شخصاً اخر معه، فسيكون عذابه جهنم ( مع وصف عذاب النار بشكل واضح و دون تردد، من انعدام الموت فيها و الحرق و تغيير جلودهم و الحرق مره اخرى، وغيرها من أصناف العذاب) رحمنا الله و اياكم. ------------------------------------- **ومن الضروري أيضاً** شرح بان كلمة الله عز وجل، هي نفس الكلمه التي كان يستخدمها سيدنا عيسى عليه السلام، لأنه كان يتحدث الآراميه، و التوضيح بانه سبحانه وتعالى ليس إله مختلف
That was very informative to the point that I'm thanking everyone who appeared on the stream starting from the host Paul Williams of course, the guest Prof. Dale Martin, thank you both for that educational discussion, and last but not least Rosey for the cute short appearance.
Thanks Paul and Dale. Very informative. Good to see Rosie too! Amazed by the way fortunes turned in such a short time for early Christians from being persecuted to Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman empire.
Fantastic discussion that highlights how Christianity was developed over many centuries and there was still no unanimity in the beliefs by its clergy. Being raised Greek orthodox and attending catholic schooling, something that would never be taught or explained - for obvious reasons
The thing about the historical Jesus is, is that by Ignatius' time Christians would go tell sceptics to look in the archives for the Acts of Pilate (official, not the Gospel of Nicodemus). They would look and would not find the Jesus of Christianity or even a mundane Jesus resembling him within them. And they would go back and tell Christians that they could not find Jesus in the archives, so why should they put their faith in him since he in their minds never existed! And Ignatius wrote of this in one of his letters --- the letter to the Magnesians, I think. EDIT: It's in _Tralles,_ chapter 10. (Alvar Ellegard, Jesus, Paul and early Christianity in Lychnos, Lärdomshistoriska Samfundets Årsbok 1990 p. 4)
Subhanallah I learned so much about Early Christianity that I had no idea about. Very interesting discussion. I knew about the counsel of Nicaea but I really didn’t expect the views on Christianity orthodoxy to be varied to that extreme extent.
The more I watch these, the more I get baffled about how Christianity even grew as a religion at all. So much confusion and contradictions that any critical thinker would see right through it immediately. Amazing.
it is quite amazing, but it’s appealing if you don’t know better. Just believe in what’s being told to you, that a man died on a cross for your sins, and you have eternal life and salvation. Much easier to preach that than the fact that you’re accountable for everything.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Book of Ezekiel (7:29) “Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright, but they have sought out many inventions.” (12:13-14) “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil.” Jesus said, in the Gospel of Mark, “Except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, ye shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” I want to know how your righteousness will be better than that of a Jewish scholar when you don’t even keep the commandments and attach partners to God, like what you have done with the Trinity.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 I love how you ignored the other verses of Ezekiel, which answer your whole argument. And of course, how can we go without insults? That’s not something Prophet Jesus (as) would’ve done is it?
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 When did Jesus say that salvation is a free gift. That is a completely false statement. There are many references I can give from the Bible where people were forgiven before Jesus existed. Obviously you will not be able to follow all the commandments for all your life. That’s not the point. The point is so that when you break a commandment, you repent with sincerity, and the mercy of Allah is to accept that repentance and forgive. The true reason you don’t want to follow the laws is laziness and cowardice. It’s in the nature of man to throw the burden of his fault onto someone else, which is what you have done to Jesus, and following the commandments of God and being responsible for your actions is something nobody wants to do. Jesus didn’t atone for your sins, your atoning for yours. That has been the law of God since the beginning and God does not change one of the cores of His law, and that’s in your Bible. God doesn’t change, and that’s in your Bible. However, I don’t want to debate with another crusader, so may Allah guide you and protect you from the punishment of the Fire.
We await the most important topic: Explanation of Ibn Taymiyyah's book in depth on Christianity. Which is considered one of the most important references for Islamic scholars in understanding Christianity
I must admit I find it very perplexing when a Proffesor/scholar/PHD graduate of christianity, after studying Christianity, and its many many flaws, still hold on to the belief that its true.
@@f1aziz they're not mutually exclusive. Christian theology actually DEPENDS on the history...otherwise what reason is there to believe what the Christians say? What they're saying should at least be backed in the bible.
Muslims are the opposite. They use the Qur'an to answer any quesiton whereas priests and christians scholars would just give their interpretation since there's no such thing as an objective interpretation in Christianity. go read the quran.
@@theresonlyone8881 Not true at all. Muslims also use the hadith and tafsir to interpret the Quran and it's meanings. However, Christianity is definitely the most historic of the three faiths. The sources Islam uses to teach about Jesus are far less accurate than the Bibles. If you want to know the historic Jesus- you study the NT, writings of early church fathers, etc. You'd never go to the Quran cause we know it just copies from gnostic writings.
57:12 - Global Spread of Christianity in the modern world & it becoming a World Religion Thank you gentlemen for discussing this topic. History is very interesting indeed .
In my Humble opinion which seems to go against Christian Apologia is. That since Paul was told to go and preach to the Gentiles He came up with a crafty scheme to get Non Jews to comply with believing in the One God, by molding Judaism and it's Tenet's as best he could to fit the Platonist beliefs of the Romans. Using Judaic terminologies while giving them Roman meanings, so they can be comfortable with the change. Maybe he thought that people would come around to understanding these terms eventually in a JEWISH way rather anthropomorphizing God as the Pagan Romans and Christians have done all these years. God knows best.
@Jesus Christ Is Lord You say quote; "That is not a scheme 🤣🤣🤣. Paul is send by the Risen Christ to the gentiles" Do YOU KNOW that Jesus said that He will be LEAVING and the rest of what he wanted to teach was the RESPONSIBILITY of the SPIRIT of TRUTH? The Spirit of Truth was To relay ALL TRUTH after Jesus. Not that Jesus was going to APPEAR to other people so that they can now WRITE another GOSPEL! Then Paul Himself said; 2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile. IF that is NOT a SCHEME then what would YOU call it?
@Jesus Christ Is Lord Now Paul WAS a JEW. So you would expect him to Receive The Spirit OF Truth, WOULD you NOT? If someone tell you that Jesus appeared to them and had some friends to collaborate that "APPEARANCE" STORY and told you ALL that Jesus had told him, Would you then take his word as Gospel? At that TIME! OR would you expect the Spirit of TRUTH to teach you ALL that Jesus could NOT? Just answer the question.
Once again, your "humble opinion" is spreading ignorance and inflaming Christians against Muslims. Don't speak about their scripture until you have fully committed to studying it. You keep on with your un-informed understanding of John 14:16. 🤦♂ Learn and abide by what's in the Quran first before you pretend to represent it. Q29:46 "Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.” ---------------------------------- Q3:3 "He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel" "The Gospel" is the New Testament. Another Quranic verse about affirming the New Testament: Q5:68 "Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve." ---------------------------------------- John 14:16 is about The Holy Spirit which is also mentioned in the Quran... Q2:87 "Indeed, We gave Moses the Book and sent after him successive messengers. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with THE HOLY SPIRIT. Why is it that every time a messenger comes to you ˹Israelites˺ with something you do not like, you become arrogant, rejecting some and killing others?"
@Mehdi Aghamoosa Since you decided to champion the Christian Faith AGAIN, let's see you answer. Do YOU KNOW that Jesus said that He will be LEAVING and the rest of what he wanted to teach was the RESPONSIBILITY of the SPIRIT of TRUTH? The Spirit of Truth was To relay ALL TRUTH after Jesus. Not that Jesus was going to APPEAR to other people so that they can now WRITE another GOSPEL! Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. So WHERE did Paul get His information from? Did he get from the Spirit of Truth? Absolutely NOT He got supposedly from Jesus. And we KNOW that Jesus ministry was done. He didn't go around appearing to anybody not even the Disciples. So we know that Paul was LYING because He admitted it. 2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile. IF that is NOT a SCHEME then what would YOU call it?
@@aniydeheyeh4785 Salam Bro. I got your message but it is being ghosted and no one can view it in the thread except you Check on another computer or phone..
Books for good subjects Dr. wrote Jerald Dirks : The First Sin: Jewish, Christian, and Islamic Perspectives Messiah What You Weren't Taught in Sunday School From Cross to Crescent Muslims in American History: A Forgotten Legacy Cross & the Crescent The Abrahamic Faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: Similarities & Contrasts Understanding Islam: A Guide for the Judaeo-Christian Reader Dr.'s books Zaghloul Al-Najjar is in the Jamalon Library: Los Signos COSMICOS EN EL SAGRADO CORAN les signes scientifipues dans le saint coran Geoffenbarte Wissenschaftliche Fakten Ausgewahlte Beispiele aus der geologie books Priest Idris Tawfiq : Gardens of Delight books Bilal Philips : Dr. Bilal Philips' The True Message of Jesus Christ : A Reply, Refutation and Rebuttal The Purpose of Creation Polygamy in Islam The Clash of Civilisations: An Islamic View Books by Zakir Naik The Quran & Modern Science : Compatible or Incompatible? The Bible, the Qu'ran and Science : The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Knowledge By (author) Maurice Bucaille
This means he has the ability to explain the texts of the story of Jesus pbuh mentioned in the hadith and which were not mentioned in the Qur'an. excellent
I'm sorry but indicating how many actual followers Jesus had in Jerusalem, does not, in itself, indicate how many in Israel had actually heard of him. That also fails to take into consideration the fact that all the trade routes, camel caravans etc., passed directly through the towns where he taught. Word of his teachings, while not necessarily translating into followership, spread far and wide. His following was clearly considered to be significant enough on the part of the Jewish priesthood to be viewed as a threat. Otherwise, why kill him? What's not in the Bible, is any record of his travels prior to his public ministry. But we have a new version of his life and teachings in The Urantia Book, and it chronicles him going all over the place, including spending 6 months in Roman, meeting with the various religious leaders there. He primed them to be receptive to Peter and Paul when they should arrive 10 years later. But at that time, he was known as the Scribe of Damascus.
Had this conversation taken place in the streets of Islamabad, dale's head would've come flying of before he could utter the word 'gay' - and we don't mean "cheerful'. In the West - he's protected, but listen to him engage - a devout Muslim like Paul... That strikes me as somewhat counterproductive to Dale's interests. Dale Martin is openly gay, so he’s not conservative on what the Bible teaches, for sure, and strikes me as one of these postmodern Jesus Seminar people who uses religious words, but is a naturalist who believes in a liberal Jesus as a nice idea, but doesn’t believe in the conservative historical Jesus at all. He seems to be more like these John Dominic Crossan / Marcus Borg types. I looked at some of his publications, and I think it’s a situation where the liberal sexual practices he advocates constrain his theological and historical views. Sort of like John Dominic Crossan’s atheism and pluralism and political liberalism constrain his historical work. Still though, he's a smart guy and in a debate he addresses the evidence, so it’s good to hear another voice, but let's also hear out some God fearing men, NT Wright, Oxford, Peter Williams, Cambridge and James White, one of our finest apologists in the US. Kind regards Kim
"The Bible teaches" is a problematic statement, but the Bible contains nothing about homoxesuality. The concept did not exist until it was discovered in the late 19th cent. Protestant Christians came to think that the Bible condemned it since mid 20th cent. Prior, the issue was so-do-my which included behaviour between men and women. If you read carefully, references to secs between males in the NT do not describe homoxesuality.
There's lots of verses in the New Testaments saying Jesus is God and referring to the Trinity in the Old Testament. Also Jesus rose from the dead on the third day after being crucified for all who believe on Him for the forgiveness of their sins, proving He is Christ. The early church was fighting heresy from the start that was one reason for council of nicea. Paul was highly educated and the Holy Spirit inspired the writtings of the Gospels and Epistles. Also people wrote down dictation straight from some of the Apostles mouths. Also who says they weren't educated didn't the synagogues educate Jewish youth? Just somethings to think about. The Bible is the truth, God is trustworthy. Btw why would Christians betray God by agreeing to worship false god's or ceasar? Ofcourse they would not stand ofcousre they would let people no idols are just pieces of wood!
There is not a single verse in bible from the mouth of Jesus that He claimed to be God and command people to worship him. There is not a single verse where Jesus said He came to die and resurrect for the sin of people, anyone believe in his death and resurrecting will be saved . It is what deceiver Paul who never met Jesus and drunk delusional John boo thought about Jesus.
@@AbuBakar-mt1vn nah bruh. thats what the church clergy who voted for trinity trigod wanted you to believe its foreign to Jesus. any god needing blood of an innocent man on cross in order to forgive sins is no better than the pagan aztec god who required live virgins be tossed into volcanos
"The Quran mentions" Jesus was born Miraculously his mother Mary was young pioest and Vigin . The Jews accused her of adultery when they found out she was pregnant with Jesus. After she gave birth to Jesus , she went back to her village, God commanded her not to speak to her people but Baby jesus spoke . He told them he's a prophet of God and The Messiah. As Jesus was older he spread the message of God . Jesus was raised to heaven before being captured by the Romans , Another man who had similar appearances to Jesus was caught and was tortured . Jesus is the only prophet that will come back on Earth to correct his people from calling him God and bring Justice to the world.
Our Creator is Allah=Eloi (psalm22:1)=my God Almighty the One and only True Eternal Living God of the Messiah Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them both); He is also called "The Father" by Jews and Christians ; God Almighty says: (253. These messengers: We gave some advantage over others. To some of them Allah spoke directly, and some He raised in rank. We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear miracles, and We strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Had Allah willed, those who succeeded them would not have fought one another, after the clear signs had come to them; but they disputed; some of them believed, and some of them disbelieved. Had Allah willed, they would not have fought one another; but Allah does whatever He desires.) Sourate 2 al-baqarah ayah 253 from the Holy Quran the last book revealed by our Creator Allah Almighty to His and our beloved last prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
Thank you brother Paul and professor Dale. I have seen some scholars suggest that gospels were written in a way to control and subjugate masses by the Roman Empire. They cite verses like (1) *Give back to Caesar the things of Caesar, and to God the things of God* (2) *Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic from him either.* I would like to know Professor Dale's opinion on this.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 your bulshit explanation is only confirms your bulshit mind. People can read it and can say this don’t make sense accept benefiting Roman government. It used to suppress any dissident of Roman Empire
1: Ceasar is the earthly ruler. Give the emperor of this world the things that are his i.e the worldy things (hylic body) that is owed to him. 2: Give God what is his aka probably means the demiurge and therefor the soulish escence. In the gospel of Thomas the Living Jesus gives a number 3: And give mine which is mine. The Living Jesus seems to equate himself higer than God/the demiurge. To Christ must then belong the Spirit. *They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, "Caesar's agents are exacting taxes from us." He said to them, "Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, give unto god the things that are god's, and give unto me that which is mine."
The gospels are in no way to subjagate the masses. It is a way out of the hylic world system where Christians actually don't belong. That's why esoteric Christianity is not always understood and a different school of thought than contemporary judaism and islam. If you don't understand the things that are written and WHY they are written doesn't mean the whole thing is a sham. We just have to do a better job in finding out what they actually represent.
@@voornaamachternaam6159 You are right when you look at it through a purely theological glass. But when you consider the whole picture taking into account the context when events were unfolding two thousand years ago where pagan roman invaders wanted to rule Palestine and suppress the rebellious Jews (in today's terms independence movement of the Jewish people) the things get little different. The fact that the Language used is that of invaders and not the mother tongue of Jesus is just another contesting point.
Salam i do not understand why Roman accepted Christianity when they new Roman has killed him it was known to them that he was not GOD and they accepted him as GOD it mus have invented by Paul .
*THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM TOOK JESUS AS A PROPHET* ❗😊 And Jesus Pbuh never "corrected" them... " *No, you see, I'm actually God, but I'm undercover and I'm acting like a man, to fool those Moslems, who will come after me* ... " 😂 👉Matthew 21:11 "And the crowds were saying, "This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee." 👉Luke 7:16 "Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people!" 👉John 4:19 "The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 👉Matthew 21:46 " When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet. 👉John 6:14 " Therefore when the people saw the sign which he had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world." 👉John 7:40 "Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet." 👉John 9:17 "So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about him, since he opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet." 👉Luke 24:19 "And he said to them, "What things?" And they said to him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people."
First, Jesus asked the disciples what others said about Him. They responded easily enough, with a slew of speculations. But then He turned the tables. “Who do you say I am?” What the world thought didn’t matter anymore. The mentality of the crowd was IRRELEVANT. Now, it was time for the disciples to claim Jesus’ identity for themselves. “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God’” (Matthew 16:16).
Dale says that it takes 300 years to formulate Trinitarian theology but that isn't true. Pope Clement died in AD99 and he mentions the trinity in his first Epistle 46:6. This is documentary proof that "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" was already orthodox Christianity with 100 years of Jesus. Dale should know this; he is not the expert that Blogging Theology suggests.
It still amazes me how Muslims still don’t know the difference between Christianity and Roman Catholicism. 🤦♂️ The core Christian doctrines were written and distributed before the Quran . The Quran AFFIRMED those Scriptures (Sura 5:47) therefore those core doctrines . In other words , by using our Scriptures to judge from, we reject Islam and Muhammad is a false prophet. Islam debunks itself once again.
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 Sadly they are not . I was raised in Ireland and as a Roman Catholic and I can tell you from personal experience, they are not. While the Scriptures teach Jesus is the head of the Church (Colossians 1:18). While the Scriptures teach there is only ONE mediator between God and mankind (Jesus ) the Roman Catholic Church teaches there are two (Jesus and Mary). The Roman Catholic denies salvation by faith alone and add works, contrary to Scripture. Scriptures forbid praying to statues but Roman Catholics pray to them all the time . The list goes on my friend ….
@@samboy90 There are monotheistic, dualistic and trinitarian strains of almost every world tradition. Unitarian christianity and Islam are in synchronicity- the minute differences can be resolved very easily. Islam is divergent to trinitarian philosophy of course - whether thar comes in the form of the Hindu trinity, or nordic/egyptian/babylonian etc. If you learn to distinguish between syntax and semantics, you could deal with your confusion. God bless.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Uni is latin for one/unique/alone - God is all of those things. Infinity can ONLY be one - indivisible. It is inconceivable for there to be more than one infinity.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 How so? Can you explain yourself or provide evidence from scripture? Muslims/followers of christ/israelite law believe in pure monotheism - in arabic/hebrew the word احد doesn't only mean ONE but also indivisible/absolute/unique - so that would rule out triune pagan gods like Isis/Osiris/horus or Nun/amun/ra or enki/enlil/ea or farher/son/holy ghost.
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:17 - Topic of the stream
0:54 - Brother Paul reads an excerpt from the Book: New Testament History & Literature
1:56 - Existence of the Historical Jesus
8:35 - Origins of the New Testament & the evolution of its subsequent Theology
11:29 - Evolution of the Church
15:36 - Canonization of the Four Gospels & Analysing the Authorship of the New Testament
20:14 - Development of the Christian Doctrine & its various theologies & practices
38:08 - Persecution of the Christians
44:02 - Brief Biography of Origen
46:59 - Was Constantine a Christian?
52:34 - The Myth of Constantine making Christianity the official religion of Rome & his actual role
55:07 - Origins of Roman Catholicism & papal infallibility
57:12 - Global Spread of Christianity in the modern world & it becoming a World Religion
1:05:09 - Global Interactions between different Religious People
1:06:19 - Wrapping Up
SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖
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@Asadullah SAAiD Many thanks for your tremendous work!
@@BloggingTheology JazakAllah khair brother Paul ❤️
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فالتجار و غيرهم كانوا يبتغون من فضل الله تعالى ، ولكنهم لم ينسوا مهمتهم كدعاه للدين الإسلامي، فكانو يتعمدون اظهار امانتهم و خلقهم الحسن حتى تكون ذريعه لهم لنشر الدين الإسلامي قولا و تفصيلا.
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مهما كان السبب لفتح النقاش الديني ( عنف، حقوق مرأه.. الخ) ، قل لهم :
قبل ان اناقشكم يجب ان اعطيكم فكره مختصره عن الدين الإسلامي، وتقول :
"نحن أيضاً نؤمن بعيسى عليه السلام و نحبه، و لكننا لا نعتبره إله، و محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم نبي مثل كل الأنبياء عليهم السلام، ونحن كمسلمون نؤمن بهم جميعاً، والقرآن مثل كل الكتب السماويه السابقه( التي حرفت كالانجيل و التوراه)، ولكن لأنه اخر كتاب مع آخر نبي مرسل، تعهد الله عز و جل بحفظه من اي تحريف، و في بداية القرآن بعد سورة الفاتحه يقول الله عز وجل في سورة البقره بأن هذا الكتاب هو كلامه سبحانه وتعالى وخال من اي خطأ، و في القرآن يتحدى كل البشريه بأن يجدوا فيه خطأ او ان يحرفوه او ان ياتو بمثله "
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**و باختصار أيضاً :**
" ان السبيل الوحيد لدخول الجنه هو الايمان بالله عز وجل الواحد الأحد دون اي شريك معه ( حتى و ان كان نبي كسيدنا عيسى عليه السلام او محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم، او حتى كوساطه للشفاعه عند الله، كالقديسين و غيرهم)
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**و ضروري أيضاً**
ذكر عذاب جهنم، بأن من يكفر بانعم الله عز و جل، ويعيش على هذه الارض يتنعم بانعم الله عز و جل ولا يشكره عليها، بل حتى يعصيه او يشكر شخصاً اخر معه، فسيكون عذابه جهنم ( مع وصف عذاب النار بشكل واضح و دون تردد، من انعدام الموت فيها و الحرق و تغيير جلودهم و الحرق مره اخرى، وغيرها من أصناف العذاب) رحمنا الله و اياكم.
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**ومن الضروري أيضاً**
شرح بان كلمة الله عز وجل، هي نفس الكلمه التي كان يستخدمها سيدنا عيسى عليه السلام، لأنه كان يتحدث الآراميه، و التوضيح بانه سبحانه وتعالى ليس إله مختلف
Always a pleasure to listen Professor Dale Martin. I learn a lot from him.
My favorite Dr Dale coming back on Blogging Theology!!!!!
That was very informative to the point that I'm thanking everyone who appeared on the stream starting from the host Paul Williams of course, the guest Prof. Dale Martin, thank you both for that educational discussion, and last but not least Rosey for the cute short appearance.
🙏❤️
Yes one of my favourite guest is back thanks Paul and Professor Dale Martin 👍🏾😁
I'm watching this now.
Many thanks to Professor Dale Martin and brother Paul.
As you said Paul, I to never get enough of professor Dale Martin.
Very interesting conversation.
Thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Paul and Dale. Very informative. Good to see Rosie too! Amazed by the way fortunes turned in such a short time for early Christians from being persecuted to Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman empire.
Brilliant as usual.... love the informative series with the Professor! 👍🏼 Eye Opening 👀
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you professor Dale martin. and to Paul williams.
Another incredible interview. ❤❤❤
Fantastic discussion that highlights how Christianity was developed over many centuries and there was still no unanimity in the beliefs by its clergy. Being raised Greek orthodox and attending catholic schooling, something that would never be taught or explained - for obvious reasons
vey informative, Thank you Paul and Dale
Glad you enjoyed it
Always an excellent guest.
Love Dale Martin's work.
Back with another good one 🤝🤝
The thing about the historical Jesus is, is that by Ignatius' time Christians would go tell sceptics to look in the archives for the Acts of Pilate (official, not the Gospel of Nicodemus). They would look and would not find the Jesus of Christianity or even a mundane Jesus resembling him within them. And they would go back and tell Christians that they could not find Jesus in the archives, so why should they put their faith in him since he in their minds never existed! And Ignatius wrote of this in one of his letters --- the letter to the Magnesians, I think.
EDIT: It's in _Tralles,_ chapter 10.
(Alvar Ellegard, Jesus, Paul and early Christianity in Lychnos, Lärdomshistoriska Samfundets Årsbok 1990 p. 4)
Very informative interview. Thank you Mr. Paul Williams.
Glad you enjoyed it
May Allah guide Dale Martin. Ameen.
Subhanallah I learned so much about Early Christianity that I had no idea about. Very interesting discussion. I knew about the counsel of Nicaea but I really didn’t expect the views on Christianity orthodoxy to be varied to that extreme extent.
The more I watch these, the more I get baffled about how Christianity even grew as a religion at all. So much confusion and contradictions that any critical thinker would see right through it immediately. Amazing.
it is quite amazing, but it’s appealing if you don’t know better. Just believe in what’s being told to you, that a man died on a cross for your sins, and you have eternal life and salvation. Much easier to preach that than the fact that you’re accountable for everything.
... and yet Prof Dale Martin still display his crucifixion on his chest !
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Book of Ezekiel (7:29) “Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright, but they have sought out many inventions.” (12:13-14) “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every work into judgement, with every secret thing, whether it be good or whether it be evil.”
Jesus said, in the Gospel of Mark, “Except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, ye shall by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” I want to know how your righteousness will be better than that of a Jewish scholar when you don’t even keep the commandments and attach partners to God, like what you have done with the Trinity.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 I love how you ignored the other verses of Ezekiel, which answer your whole argument.
And of course, how can we go without insults? That’s not something Prophet Jesus (as) would’ve done is it?
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 When did Jesus say that salvation is a free gift. That is a completely false statement. There are many references I can give from the Bible where people were forgiven before Jesus existed.
Obviously you will not be able to follow all the commandments for all your life. That’s not the point. The point is so that when you break a commandment, you repent with sincerity, and the mercy of Allah is to accept that repentance and forgive. The true reason you don’t want to follow the laws is laziness and cowardice. It’s in the nature of man to throw the burden of his fault onto someone else, which is what you have done to Jesus, and following the commandments of God and being responsible for your actions is something nobody wants to do. Jesus didn’t atone for your sins, your atoning for yours. That has been the law of God since the beginning and God does not change one of the cores of His law, and that’s in your Bible. God doesn’t change, and that’s in your Bible. However, I don’t want to debate with another crusader, so may Allah guide you and protect you from the punishment of the Fire.
Amazing as usual !!!!
Amazing discussion. I have learned so much from this channel.. Thank you both.
Salam br Paul loving the content ahki
Wa alaykumu s-salam
Very interesting. Thank you
Richard Carrier needs to be a guest on this show.
We await the most important topic: Explanation of Ibn Taymiyyah's book in depth on Christianity. Which is considered one of the most important references for Islamic scholars in understanding Christianity
I must admit I find it very perplexing when a Proffesor/scholar/PHD graduate of christianity, after studying Christianity, and its many many flaws, still hold on to the belief that its true.
He separates Christian history and theology. It's just a cop out in my opinion.
@@f1aziz they're not mutually exclusive.
Christian theology actually DEPENDS on the history...otherwise what reason is there to believe what the Christians say? What they're saying should at least be backed in the bible.
Muslims are the opposite. They use the Qur'an to answer any quesiton whereas priests and christians scholars would just give their interpretation since there's no such thing as an objective interpretation in Christianity.
go read the quran.
@@theresonlyone8881 I am a Muslim Alhamdulillah, no idea what you are talking about.
@@theresonlyone8881 Not true at all. Muslims also use the hadith and tafsir to interpret the Quran and it's meanings. However, Christianity is definitely the most historic of the three faiths. The sources Islam uses to teach about Jesus are far less accurate than the Bibles. If you want to know the historic Jesus- you study the NT, writings of early church fathers, etc. You'd never go to the Quran cause we know it just copies from gnostic writings.
57:12 - Global Spread of Christianity in the modern world & it becoming a World Religion
Thank you gentlemen for discussing this topic. History is very interesting indeed .
We are just electric pulses in the mind of Cosmos. Beautiful quote by Prof Martin
Great 👍
Great show! You should have @The Muslim Metaphysican on your show
Where is brother Paul ? It's not his usual setup
In my Humble opinion which seems to go against Christian Apologia is. That since Paul was told to go and preach to the Gentiles He came up with a crafty scheme to get Non Jews to comply with believing in the One God, by molding Judaism and it's Tenet's as best he could to fit the Platonist beliefs of the Romans. Using Judaic terminologies while giving them Roman meanings, so they can be comfortable with the change. Maybe he thought that people would come around to understanding these terms eventually in a JEWISH way rather anthropomorphizing God as the Pagan Romans and Christians have done all these years.
God knows best.
@Jesus Christ Is Lord
You say quote;
"That is not a scheme 🤣🤣🤣. Paul is send by the Risen Christ to the gentiles"
Do YOU KNOW that Jesus said that He will be LEAVING and the rest of what he wanted to teach was the RESPONSIBILITY of the SPIRIT of TRUTH? The Spirit of Truth was To relay ALL TRUTH after Jesus. Not that Jesus was going to APPEAR to other people so that they can now WRITE another GOSPEL!
Then Paul Himself said;
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
IF that is NOT a SCHEME then what would YOU call it?
@Jesus Christ Is Lord
Now Paul WAS a JEW. So you would expect him to Receive The Spirit OF Truth, WOULD you NOT? If someone tell you that Jesus appeared to them and had some friends to collaborate that "APPEARANCE" STORY and told you ALL that Jesus had told him, Would you then take his word as Gospel? At that TIME! OR would you expect the Spirit of TRUTH to teach you ALL that Jesus could NOT?
Just answer the question.
Once again, your "humble opinion" is spreading ignorance and inflaming Christians against Muslims. Don't speak about their scripture until you have fully committed to studying it. You keep on with your un-informed understanding of John 14:16. 🤦♂
Learn and abide by what's in the Quran first before you pretend to represent it.
Q29:46
"Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”
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Q3:3
"He has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book in truth, confirming what came before it, as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel"
"The Gospel" is the New Testament. Another Quranic verse about affirming the New Testament:
Q5:68
"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O People of the Book! You have nothing to stand on unless you observe the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” And your Lord’s revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ will only cause many of them to increase in wickedness and disbelief. So do not grieve for the people who disbelieve."
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John 14:16 is about The Holy Spirit which is also mentioned in the Quran...
Q2:87
"Indeed, We gave Moses the Book and sent after him successive messengers. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with THE HOLY SPIRIT. Why is it that every time a messenger comes to you ˹Israelites˺ with something you do not like, you become arrogant, rejecting some and killing others?"
@Mehdi Aghamoosa
Since you decided to champion the Christian Faith AGAIN, let's see you answer.
Do YOU KNOW that Jesus said that He will be LEAVING and the rest of what he wanted to teach was the RESPONSIBILITY of the SPIRIT of TRUTH? The Spirit of Truth was To relay ALL TRUTH after Jesus. Not that Jesus was going to APPEAR to other people so that they can now WRITE another GOSPEL!
Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
So WHERE did Paul get His information from? Did he get from the Spirit of Truth? Absolutely NOT He got supposedly from Jesus. And we KNOW that Jesus ministry was done. He didn't go around appearing to anybody not even the Disciples. So we know that Paul was LYING because He admitted it.
2Co 12:16 But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
IF that is NOT a SCHEME then what would YOU call it?
@@aniydeheyeh4785
Salam Bro. I got your message but it is being ghosted and no one can view it in the thread except you Check on another computer or phone..
Hello new Testament writers!!!
Which one? They are just anonymous and changed.
True, our Datu and Rajas or sultan were force to embraced christianity by force. That's why philippines is now christian country.
Respect 👍.
Great topic, nice conversation.
I would like to hear how the Christian doctrine of salvation developed, which is the rationale used to justify that Jesus must be divine.
Mash'Allah ! Indeed it is a great discussion.
Well, theologically, it is obviously providence lol; however, the historical events and the tales around it are fascinating.
Books for good subjects Dr. wrote Jerald Dirks :
The First Sin: Jewish, Christian, and Islamic Perspectives
Messiah
What You Weren't Taught in Sunday School
From Cross to Crescent
Muslims in American History: A Forgotten Legacy
Cross & the Crescent
The Abrahamic Faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam: Similarities & Contrasts
Understanding Islam: A Guide for the Judaeo-Christian Reader
Dr.'s books Zaghloul Al-Najjar is in the Jamalon Library:
Los Signos COSMICOS EN EL SAGRADO CORAN
les signes scientifipues dans le saint coran
Geoffenbarte Wissenschaftliche Fakten Ausgewahlte Beispiele aus der geologie
books Priest Idris Tawfiq :
Gardens of Delight
books Bilal Philips :
Dr. Bilal Philips' The True Message of Jesus Christ : A Reply, Refutation and Rebuttal
The Purpose of Creation
Polygamy in Islam
The Clash of Civilisations: An Islamic View
Books by Zakir Naik
The Quran & Modern Science : Compatible or Incompatible?
The Bible, the Qu'ran and Science : The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Knowledge By (author) Maurice Bucaille
سبحان الله وبحمده سبحان الله العظيم
The term 'second god'/'deuteros theos' goes back to Philo, before Justin and Christianity.
very likely
Will you invite Sheikh Uthman from One Message Foundation to talk about science of Hadith? He has a masters in Hadith.
This means he has the ability to explain the texts of the story of Jesus pbuh mentioned in the hadith and which were not mentioned in the Qur'an.
excellent
Hello
I'm sorry but indicating how many actual followers Jesus had in Jerusalem, does not, in itself, indicate how many in Israel had actually heard of him. That also fails to take into consideration the fact that all the trade routes, camel caravans etc., passed directly through the towns where he taught. Word of his teachings, while not necessarily translating into followership, spread far and wide.
His following was clearly considered to be significant enough on the part of the Jewish priesthood to be viewed as a threat. Otherwise, why kill him?
What's not in the Bible, is any record of his travels prior to his public ministry. But we have a new version of his life and teachings in The Urantia Book, and it chronicles him going all over the place, including spending 6 months in Roman, meeting with the various religious leaders there. He primed them to be receptive to Peter and Paul when they should arrive 10 years later. But at that time, he was known as the Scribe of Damascus.
The Urantia Book? Why should a scholar of history be willing to embrace those claims as probable?
Is it just me or does this video say modern day christianity, the trinity and the bible doesnt exist ?
it’s just you
OMG!
Had this conversation taken place in the streets of Islamabad, dale's head would've come flying of before he could utter the word 'gay' - and we don't mean "cheerful'.
In the West - he's protected, but listen to him engage - a devout Muslim like Paul... That strikes me as somewhat counterproductive to Dale's interests.
Dale Martin is openly gay, so he’s not conservative on what the Bible teaches, for sure, and strikes me as one of these postmodern Jesus Seminar people who uses religious words, but is a naturalist who believes in a liberal Jesus as a nice idea, but doesn’t believe in the conservative historical Jesus at all. He seems to be more like these John Dominic Crossan / Marcus Borg types. I looked at some of his publications, and I think it’s a situation where the liberal sexual practices he advocates constrain his theological and historical views. Sort of like John Dominic Crossan’s atheism and pluralism and political liberalism constrain his historical work.
Still though, he's a smart guy and in a debate he addresses the evidence, so it’s good to hear another voice, but let's also hear out some God fearing men, NT Wright, Oxford, Peter Williams, Cambridge and James White, one of our finest apologists in the US.
Kind regards Kim
"The Bible teaches" is a problematic statement, but the Bible contains nothing about homoxesuality. The concept did not exist until it was discovered in the late 19th cent. Protestant Christians came to think that the Bible condemned it since mid 20th cent. Prior, the issue was so-do-my which included behaviour between men and women. If you read carefully, references to secs between males in the NT do not describe homoxesuality.
Minority Christians is good
There's lots of verses in the New Testaments saying Jesus is God and referring to the Trinity in the Old Testament. Also Jesus rose from the dead on the third day after being crucified for all who believe on Him for the forgiveness of their sins, proving He is Christ. The early church was fighting heresy from the start that was one reason for council of nicea. Paul was highly educated and the Holy Spirit inspired the writtings of the Gospels and Epistles. Also people wrote down dictation straight from some of the Apostles mouths. Also who says they weren't educated didn't the synagogues educate Jewish youth? Just somethings to think about. The Bible is the truth, God is trustworthy. Btw why would Christians betray God by agreeing to worship false god's or ceasar? Ofcourse they would not stand ofcousre they would let people no idols are just pieces of wood!
There is not a single verse in bible from the mouth of Jesus that He claimed to be God and command people to worship him.
There is not a single verse where Jesus said He came to die and resurrect for the sin of people, anyone believe in his death and resurrecting will be saved .
It is what deceiver Paul who never met Jesus and drunk delusional John boo thought about Jesus.
We don’t have Gospel of Jesus. We have gossip of anonymous Greek and Roman pagan marketed as gospel of Jesus. What a fraud
Have you ask a Jew that?
Even the jews could not understand jesus ,how could the gentiles understand his teachings
jews understood Jesus as he taught monotheism like all rabbis did. they just didn't like the way he was teaching
@@sammymuhammade9948 Jesus was sent to fulfill the law.i.e the spirits of the law .even the deciples couldnt bear it
@@AbuBakar-mt1vn nah bruh. thats what the church clergy who voted for trinity trigod wanted you to believe its foreign to Jesus. any god needing blood of an innocent man on cross in order to forgive sins is no better than the pagan aztec god who required live virgins be tossed into volcanos
The issue is what made them kill the prophets of god
@@AbuBakar-mt1vn false
"The Quran mentions"
Jesus was born Miraculously his mother Mary was young pioest and Vigin . The Jews accused her of adultery when they found out she was pregnant with Jesus.
After she gave birth to Jesus , she went back to her village, God commanded her not to speak to her people but
Baby jesus spoke . He told them he's a prophet of God and The Messiah.
As Jesus was older he spread the message of God . Jesus was raised to heaven before being captured by the Romans , Another man who had similar appearances to Jesus was caught and was tortured . Jesus is the only prophet that will come back on Earth to correct his people from calling him God and bring Justice to the world.
Glory to Allah truth has proofs.
Another who doubt
Worship of a prophet as god is idolatry.
Jesus evolved into God as he grew in wisdom and glory...and then died and resurrected... what is this belief ?
falsehood
16:18 what???🤦♂️where is the holy spirit and his inspiration? 😂
Our Creator is Allah=Eloi (psalm22:1)=my God Almighty the One and only True Eternal Living God of the Messiah Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon them both); He is also called "The Father" by Jews and Christians ; God Almighty says:
(253. These messengers: We gave some advantage over others. To some of them Allah spoke directly, and some He raised in rank. We gave Jesus son of Mary the clear miracles, and We strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Had Allah willed, those who succeeded them would not have fought one another, after the clear signs had come to them; but they disputed; some of them believed, and some of them disbelieved. Had Allah willed, they would not have fought one another; but Allah does whatever He desires.)
Sourate 2 al-baqarah ayah 253 from the Holy Quran the last book revealed by our Creator Allah Almighty to His and our beloved last prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388
Thank's to God that you have understand that Allah In Quran is Eloi in the bible meaning my God
Thank you brother Paul and professor Dale. I have seen some scholars suggest that gospels were written in a way to control and subjugate masses by the Roman Empire. They cite verses like
(1) *Give back to Caesar the things of Caesar, and to God the things of God*
(2) *Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic from him either.*
I would like to know Professor Dale's opinion on this.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 your bulshit explanation is only confirms your bulshit mind.
People can read it and can say this don’t make sense accept benefiting Roman government. It used to suppress any dissident of Roman Empire
1: Ceasar is the earthly ruler. Give the emperor of this world the things that are his i.e the worldy things (hylic body) that is owed to him.
2: Give God what is his aka probably means the demiurge and therefor the soulish escence.
In the gospel of Thomas the Living Jesus gives a number 3: And give mine which is mine. The Living Jesus seems to equate himself higer than God/the demiurge. To Christ must then belong the Spirit.
*They showed Jesus a gold coin and said to him, "Caesar's agents are exacting taxes from us." He said to them, "Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, give unto god the things that are god's, and give unto me that which is mine."
The gospels are in no way to subjagate the masses. It is a way out of the hylic world system where Christians actually don't belong. That's why esoteric Christianity is not always understood and a different school of thought than contemporary judaism and islam. If you don't understand the things that are written and WHY they are written doesn't mean the whole thing is a sham. We just have to do a better job in finding out what they actually represent.
@@voornaamachternaam6159
You are right when you look at it through a purely theological glass. But when you consider the whole picture taking into account the context when events were unfolding two thousand years ago where pagan roman invaders wanted to rule Palestine and suppress the rebellious Jews (in today's terms independence movement of the Jewish people) the things get little different. The fact that the Language used is that of invaders and not the mother tongue of Jesus is just another contesting point.
If Jesus did not exist Quran is false. You are just cutting the branch you are sitting on 😂
We don't need Christians to know jesus existed or not .
@@P.W.O523 True Christians need to experience the reality of Christ Jesus and reflect His character and follow his teachings.( 2 Corth 5:17).
@@DheerajNavin-ln5wn very cultish
Is Prof Dale Martin a believing Christian despite all the flaws he narrates ... and adorning the cruxible ?
I believe so. He has written many books.
I Would like to see u interview the Islamic equivalent to a Dale Martin.
An openly gay Imam/Scholar, if u have any objective bone in your body.
Greco Roman
Salam i do not understand why Roman accepted Christianity when they new Roman has killed him it was known to them that he was not GOD and they accepted him as GOD it mus have invented by Paul .
*THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM TOOK JESUS AS A PROPHET* ❗😊
And Jesus Pbuh never "corrected" them...
" *No, you see, I'm actually God, but I'm undercover and I'm acting like a man, to fool those Moslems, who will come after me* ... " 😂
👉Matthew 21:11
"And the crowds were saying, "This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee."
👉Luke 7:16
"Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people!"
👉John 4:19
"The woman said to Him, "Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet.
👉Matthew 21:46
" When they sought to seize Him, they feared the people, because they considered Him to be a prophet.
👉John 6:14
" Therefore when the people saw the sign which he had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world."
👉John 7:40
"Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet."
👉John 9:17
"So they said to the blind man again, "What do you say about him, since he opened your eyes?" And he said, "He is a prophet."
👉Luke 24:19
"And he said to them, "What things?" And they said to him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people."
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Jesus was just a prophet and you are just a poopet
First, Jesus asked the disciples what others said about Him. They responded easily enough, with a slew of speculations. But then He turned the tables. “Who do you say I am?” What the world thought didn’t matter anymore. The mentality of the crowd was IRRELEVANT.
Now, it was time for the disciples to claim Jesus’ identity for themselves. “Simon Peter answered, ‘You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God’” (Matthew 16:16).
Dale says that it takes 300 years to formulate Trinitarian theology but that isn't true. Pope Clement died in AD99 and he mentions the trinity in his first Epistle 46:6. This is documentary proof that "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" was already orthodox Christianity with 100 years of Jesus. Dale should know this; he is not the expert that Blogging Theology suggests.
Good content even if the Blogging Theology host (Paul) is homophobic.
It still amazes me how Muslims still don’t know the difference between Christianity and Roman Catholicism. 🤦♂️
The core Christian doctrines were written and distributed before the Quran . The Quran AFFIRMED those Scriptures (Sura 5:47) therefore those core doctrines . In other words , by using our Scriptures to judge from, we reject Islam and Muhammad is a false prophet. Islam debunks itself once again.
Wasting your time here... this is a scholarship channel.. not ignorant bigots channel...
jesus ' greatest command is to worship our lord the one god only ' today only muslims obey Jesus greatest command you've been hoodwinked mate
Roman Catholics are Christians.
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548
Sadly they are not . I was raised in Ireland and as a Roman Catholic and I can tell you from personal experience, they are not.
While the Scriptures teach Jesus is the head of the Church (Colossians 1:18).
While the Scriptures teach there is only ONE mediator between God and mankind (Jesus ) the Roman Catholic Church teaches there are two (Jesus and Mary).
The Roman Catholic denies salvation by faith alone and add works, contrary to Scripture. Scriptures forbid praying to statues but Roman Catholics pray to them all the time . The list goes on my friend ….
Using your scriptures? Are you a Jew?
Rather questionable. . Men. who cant hear Gods truth. Think they can speak of it
Judaism is not visionary islam and christianity is thus is truth
How can Islam and Christianity both be true? They oppose each other.
Reported for spamming.
@@samboy90 There are monotheistic, dualistic and trinitarian strains of almost every world tradition. Unitarian christianity and Islam are in synchronicity- the minute differences can be resolved very easily.
Islam is divergent to trinitarian philosophy of course - whether thar comes in the form of the Hindu trinity, or nordic/egyptian/babylonian etc. If you learn to distinguish between syntax and semantics, you could deal with your confusion.
God bless.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Uni is latin for one/unique/alone - God is all of those things. Infinity can ONLY be one - indivisible. It is inconceivable for there to be more than one infinity.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 How so? Can you explain yourself or provide evidence from scripture? Muslims/followers of christ/israelite law believe in pure monotheism - in arabic/hebrew the word احد doesn't only mean ONE but also indivisible/absolute/unique - so that would rule out triune pagan gods like Isis/Osiris/horus or Nun/amun/ra or enki/enlil/ea or farher/son/holy ghost.