@@jerrydonovan7507 Oregon State also has very good TV ratings not quite as good as WSU but on the other hand they have more big money donors, WSU AD mentioned OSU had ten times as much NIL money as them.
What do you mean...."was"......it's MSU....they'll get rid of him before that program ever turns around. The guy AFTER Smith may have a fighting chance , but even then, don't hold your breath on a Playoff berth. MSU is going to be relegated to mid-tier. Especially if the likes of FSU and Clemson go to the B1G. Way too top heavy. Which may be why FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12 or stay put just bitch'n their life away in the Almost Competitive Conference.
More speculation, obviously, just like previous vlogs you've posted regarding the fate of OSU and WSU. I appreciate the hopeful stance and your willingness to keep addressing this. I see you pulling for keeping these schools at P4/5 levels. Thank you for that. Also, please find a new thumbnail image for this topic. Jonathan Smith shouldn't be seen with OSU swag. #GoBeavs
For most years WSU has had better viewership than OSU. However, in recent years OSU has had more success than WSU. In all honesty truth, I’m not mad them. They deserve it and I’m glad that our Beaver bros are doing well!
Oregon State has big money donors, WSU AD official told a reporter OSU has ten times their resources for NIL money, granted that is no where near Oregon. Oregon State gets good ratings as well. Looking at their schedules next year both Oregon State and Washington State will be 10-2 or 11-1, they will favored in almost all their games and one will have a shot at the expanded playoffs.
Washington State's average TV Viewership in the past 10 Years has been very close to Washington. The reasons so many people watch Washington St games: 1). Population - 8 Million People live in Washington & it's always a Too-5 State in Population growth 2) Football is much bigger than people think it is up in The NW. People often group these teams with California & Arizona fans. They have numbers, but hardly anyone cares about Football per capita. 3) When you move to Washington people will often ask you. UW or WSU.... Who is your team? Similar to Alabama & Auburn, just at a lesser scale. 4) They've always had an exciting Team & high powered offense. So they tend to pick up new casual viewers often.
Oregon St and Washington St are no brainers. Kid, you are saying what I've been saying, bit nobody believes me. You are dead on, with this video. Good job.
Oregon State gets way more money in research grants than athletics. Much like Cal and Stanford. You have to take that into consideration when discussing conference interest.
No, no one in Athletics cares about your research grants. That’s why Stanford and Cal are where they are. The two schools arrogance and lack of concern on athletics is why they were left out.
Part of the reason why the Apple Cup was watched so much is because it was the last time the Apple Cup will be played in the PAC12. I would imagine that the Civil War (excuse me...the now unnamed Oregon State vs Oregon game) probably had higher ratings than normal as well.
As crazy as it sounds, PAC could entice disgruntled schools from various conferences (Nebraska, Michigan, ACC schools for example) to join them. Networks won't be able to ignore it, and will have to offer a nice deal. Why leave the ACC for the SEC for 20-30% cut for X amount of years, when you can get 100% right away in a newly formed conference. Insane and crazy.
I wanted to believe this all football season based on this podcast alone and it has not happenned. I really want it too but tired of getting my hopes up.
It THEROY, the ACC is an ESPN property. ESPN could allow ACC teams to move to the SEC and/or the XII. If they moved to the XII then Fox would need to be willing to pay at or more than they currently do. SO, the SEC/XII could pick up a few schools & the schools might pay a small exit fee. Maybe?
In Theory. The ACC can STEAL the best Big 12 teams from FOX by putting them in the ACC and then ABANDON what is left of the Big 12 (not much) to fend for itself because FOX is tapped out and doesn't have more money to PAY anybody (couldn't afford Full Shares for Oregon and Washington). IN FACT. ESPN earns more money from the ACC than it earns from the SEC and is NOT going to watch its Empire Collapse over to FOX. IN FACT. Now that ESPN does not have to waste its time airing B1G games ESPN gets better RATINGS by showing ACC games instead. IN FACT. ESPN used the Big 12 to kill the PAC so ESPN didn't have to pay it anymore while it wasted the West Coast Audience and it only gave the Big 12 a 5 year TV Deal because it needs 3 or 4 years to get the ACC Money right SO that then the ACC can EAT the Top of the Big 12 and be the 3rd Conference of the Power Three. IN FACT. Everybody has been so caught up in the demise of the PAC the BS success of the Big 12 and the money in the B1G and SEC that they have not paid attention to anything the ACC has been doing IN PLAIN SIGHT over the past 8 years. Allowing this BS narrative that the ACC is dying to persist without any FACTS. So they don't know what a great position the ACC is actually in OR how good ESPN is actually doing because they are financially illiterate and do not understand how a CORPORATION WORKS. DISNEY having trouble does not mean ESPN is having trouble. Corporations do not work like that.
As a UCF fan I'd love to see the conference add Oregon State and Washington state BUT with the potential implosion of the ACC coming and the rumors of Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech etc having preliminary talks with the Big12 (I'm not including clemson and FSU in that I just don't believe those rumours, if they do leave it'll be the SEC) I feel like the Oregon State Washington State duo may be put on the back burnner with the potential of those "bigger brands" being available to fill those same spots...
That game every year is one of the most viewed regardless on rival weekend. This year it was up of course to your point, but its a 100+ year rivalry game that the PNW tunes into each year.
Look at WSU viewership over the past 10 years and you will see Drake's point. They aren't Alabama, but they are rock solid in ratings. They are superior to half the current Big 12.
You give one example of a large TV audience for Washington vs Wash State. this one game and people tuned in to watch Washington. Same thing happened to TCU last year. Washington St. other games are NOT highly watched. Wash ST vs ORE had 2.35M, mostly Ore watchers. B12 has to be careful who they accept or the $ divide will get too wide to compete with the P2.
If we look at the average viewership over the last 8 years Washington State would be inside the upper half of the Big12, i think it would be around 5-7, don't have the numbers at the top of my head but Last year they ranked 41st in the Nation with 900k
Do a little research. Since 2015 Washington States average viewership per game is greater than any of the current Big 12 teams with the exception of Texas and Oklahoma, and it isn't even close once those two schools go away. Yes, this years game was a big one for UW but the reality is Washington State is on the top end of the viewership numbers every year. While that is true for WSU, OSU is on the other end of the spectrum.
Nothin' but love for my PAC2 brothren at Wazzu, but Oregon State is a great program. In the past `10 Years we've been to multiple Bowls in Football, we've LIVED in the Top 25 Power Rankings for almost two years straight without falling. We've WON a College World Series, and BOTH MENs and WOMENs Basketball Teams have appeared in the FINAL FOUR. Our Men's soccer Team is making a championship run now. I personally don't give af about anything outside of Football, but our SPORTS PROGRAM is Legit, so we're not scrubs piggy-backing on Wazzu, our program puts them to shame competitively. And we kicked their arse in TV Ratings THIS SEASON (understandably). The BIG 12 should be begging to have us.
You won TWO national titles in baseball if I recall but it has been some time since the men's hoops team was good, just sayin, but you are 100% correct on basically all counts. You also have more deep pocketed donors, a WSU AD official was complaining you had "10x the NIL money" WSU does.
@@Quiltystitcher yes I was referring to the 2018. I gave my Beavs too much credit. 2021 we went to the Elite Eight, NOT the Final Four. Forgive me as I don’t follow basketball. I love MLB but don’t really follow college baseball unless we’re in the playoffs but I do remember the excitement in 2018. Anyway, just making my point OSU’s BRAND has been on the rise for nearly 20 years. We’re not riding the coattails of one respectable football season.
What makes a league important and what makes the members coveted is simply whether or not they win. If say the big 12 were to win the next 5 football national championships there would be no question of whether or not they were on par with the big 10 and the SEC. Simply adding currently good members is only going to take the big 12 so far for so long. It's all about national titles. Especially in football. Get them and you matter. Don't and you don't.
Their just kids. And had there not been the disintegration of the Pac -12. Who knows how high that group of kids would have gone. After all they statistically spanked the no.4 team in the country for much of that game!
@@waynecarpenter9202 Thats fine. But ESPN and the networks arent just going to give tens of millions of $ to the Big 12 to add W/OSU based simply on the fact that these schools may have the potential to go high.
Honestly, there’s very little chance of the ACC imploding completely. While 3-5 teams have a good chance of joining the SEC or Big Ten, that still leaves well over half of the league intact. And the media deal for the ACC pays each school $5 million per year than they would make in the Big 12.
@@54raynor a contract is written with specifics…. You can just swap Miami (FL) with Miami (OH) and expect the person you made a contract with to pay the same.. at that point you’ve changed terms of the contract..
Washington State, Oregon State can create a new P conference by adding Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force, Utah State, Wyoming, SMU, UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, UAB, USF, JMU, North Dakota State, South Dakota State and App State. Boise State against UCLA got over 2 million as well. People still wants to watch Boise State. Some of the top G5 schools still get the viewership. Boise State vs top schools in the P5 and top of MWC gets the ratings as well. Same with Fresno State. Removed the ratings from the bottom of the MWC, and Boise State gets close to 2 million which is more than some schools in the Big 12, SEC and ACC. ESPN would love to get Boise State back into their fold, and they really wanted Houston to stay in the AAC, and Boise State as number 4.
@@dacokc I agree that the ratings were exceptional for this year. But I was pointing out that this isn’t the first time the game has done good ratings, as the Apple Cup is annually one of the top-rated games of rivalry week.
I said it once, osu and wsu are not going to the big 12. Florida state is going to try like hell to leave the acc. The acc is done there will only be 3 power conferences left. Big 10, big 12 and sec will pick the carcas of the acc lol
It took me a second to realize all this guy talks about is the Big12. First and foremost, Oregon St and Wash St aren’t EVER going to the big12. The other members aren’t going to be willing to split their tv revenue for football, and those two don’t have the endowments that Stanford and Cal have. That’s how they can afford to play for free in the ACC the next ten years. Both schools made it very clear they intend to rebuild the PAC, and the Mountain West is on board. Sure it does nothing for football, but it puts their basketball and baseball programs immediately into money and ranked competition. Really, football is the outlier that will decide how everything falls. This whole scheme also requires Fl St to play for free until the media rights deal expires wherever they move, and I don’t see that happening.
This guy knows nothing. Wazzu & Wash was watched in Washington because the Apple Cup is the biggest football game there. Wazzu vs Stanford would get beat by a pop Warner game on TV. Oregon has 3 million less residents and almost beat out the Washington schools. This guy needs to get his background information straight. Oregon State has the 5th highest TV ratings of ALL western BCS teams. Duh. WAZZU & OSU will survive. They’ll probably be in the mix of the conference breakups that are inevitable. Guys like this only spread misinformation. It’s too bad.
The Big12 would take their 16 schools and join the depleted ATLANTIC Coast Conference? I don't think so... at that poing the Big12 takes the next 4-6 best ACC schools... adds another 2 and goes to 24 programs..
@@54raynor my only point is the best West Coast teams have found homes. That said the Big12 does have Western teams.. Right now what it needs is more eastern teams/expansion..
OSU and WSU make little sense for the Big XII. Why? A number of reasons but top of the list is they need to see who ( if anyone) from the ACC becomes available. We can all agree Clemson, FSU, UNC, and probably Miami and UVA will not be available. But what about NC State, Louisville, Pitt, VT and even Duke? All of those schools are better adds then OSU and WSU.
I don’t disagree with first waiting to see what happens with the ACC before making any new additions. If, as you say, 4 schools instead of 5 are left after the Big10 and SEC take their fill, that would be a good time to make the Big12 a coast to coat conference by adding 6. That would pretty well put a wrap on further expansion.
What makes the Big 12 so special though? You have no big brands and couldn't keep the 2 you had. Like it or not, the current Big 12 is at the same level as the AAC or Mountain West. You guys are a Power 5 by contract, not talent or brand. Adding WSU and OSU would add 2 solid programs with solid viewership. Not to mention money. If they win their lawsuit, they won't be desperate and the Big 12 will be begging for them.
If the Big 12 is no better than the mwc or AAC, then why do you desperately want a Big 12 invite? everyone outside Big 12 salivates over the longhorns but they have no more conference titles than Kansas State
@@Alex-pe9bd No one is desperate to join. I am sure not. If we win our lawsuit, which looks likely, then WSU and OSU can rebuild the Pac 12. Look, you are naive if you think the Big 12 isn't 1 or 2 realignments from being in the exact position the Pac 12 is. The Big 12 has no premier brands. The worst thing that could have happened was what happened to TCU last year. They were exposed for what the Big 12 is. All name and no substance. My point is, you are not doing Oregon State and WSU a favor by adding them. It is mutually beneficial and frankly WSU and OSU don't really need it and don't really want it. No one of authority has even hinted at any desire to join. This is all fan b.s. I would rather they just rebuild the Pac 12 which seems likely.
Yeah. But NOBODY from the ACC is going to be available to the Big 12. ACC is raiding the Big 12 in 5 years and taking the 6 best programs the Big 12 has. So... Big 12 needs the best replacements it can get. Not just more G5s
So many watched the Apple cup because it was touted as the last one, and everyone wanted to see UW get beat. It’s a one off. The civil war is normally just as popular, and frequently OS has dashed UO playoff hopes.
As a ACC fan, you can have FSU, whose fans are the Shooter McGavin's of the college football landscape, their fans are arrogant, and the people who run it are just as bad, they are perfect replacement for Texas, come on, take them, please take them
And this is exactly why I think that if the B1G doesn't invite FSU....and even if they do.....FSU may opt for the Big 12. The B1G and SEC are already top heavy. The competition will be brutal with 9 In-conference games....Which the SEC and ACC do NOT play!! Add in a couple more top brands and the B1G will go to 10 In-conference games or into a pod system. The SEC will continue being the pussies that they are and only play 1 or 2 tough opponents all season so they can stack the "playoff" with as many of their normally mid-tier, ESPiN selected teams. Seriously....Tennessee is ranked but Northwestern and Maryland are not?!! If you blank out the names and compare the stats of those 3, you'd be shocked to realize that TN would be the lower of the 3. THAT is the SEC/ESPiN bias. The very thing that works against FSU and OSUw and WSU and many other programs. Bottomline is what I have always said for the past 30+ years. If Notre Dame ever joins a conference for football, it will be the ACC. If the ACC implodes, I now see FSU et al joining the Big12 to get a stronger argument for SoS while not being overwhelmed to even make it into the "Playoffs". (Which might eventually force ND to the B1G or Big 12, for the exact same reasons.)
@@dacokc And USC, UO, UW have something to say about that too!! NO more ...just 8 In-conference games like the pussies in the SEC and ACC play, that ONLY have 1 or 2 tough opponents....try AT LEAST FOUR or MORE tough opponents out of the 9 or possibly 10 In-conference games if FSU and Clemson were to join. UCLA alone will play at least 6 teams next year that are pretty much guaranteed losses for them!! USC have 5 marquee matchups on their schedule. The days of undefeated B1G Conference team are going to be rare at best, if not impossible. Fox said they wanted to make The B1G like the NFL. Name the team and year of the ONLY undefeated NFL team?
FSU plays how many tough marquee matchups per year? One!?! Maybe 2?!!! Just like the SEC. FSU would have to play a MINIMUM of 4 tough marquee games EVERY year in the B1G. Like UCLA plays 6 next year and USC plays 5. Add FSU and Clemson....and FSU will play HALF their season against tough marquee opponents.....no more pussy-ball like in the Severely Educationally Challenged or the Almost Competitive Conference. Nine to 10 In-conference games.
Washington state and Oregon state are just screwed. there will be a new pac mountain conference, that may exclude some mountain west schools and include some big sky schools. maybe some wcc alliance for basketball. they have to find a new path the tv people don't care.
PAC / MWC Merger PAC North Boise State / Boise, Idaho U Wyoming / Laramie, Wyoming USAF Academy / Colorado Colorado SU / Colorado Utah State U / Logan, Utah Washington SU / Pullman, WA Oregon SU / Corvallis, Oregon PAC South San Jose State / San Jose, CA CU Fresno / Fresno, CA U Nevada Reno / Reno, Nevada U Nevada LV / Las Vegas, Nevada U New Mexico / Albuquerque, NM San Diego State / San Diego, CA *U of San Diego / San Diego, CA *Steal from Pioneer F. Leagues
PAC 2 + BSkyC 12 Only PAC West Washington SU / Pullman, WA E Washington U / Cheney, WA Oregon State U / Corvallis, Oregon Portland State U / Portland, Oregon California SU / Sacramento, CA C Poly State / San Luis Obispo, CA UC Davis / Davis, California PAC East U of Idaho / Moscow, Idaho Idaho State U / Pocatello, Idaho U of Montana / Missoula, Montana Montana State U / Bozeman, Mt UN Colorado / Greeley, Colorado Weber State U / Ogden, Utah N Arizona U / Flagstaff, Arizona
PAC 25 with MWC + BSkyC Acquisition PAC North West Washington SU / Pullman, WA E Washington U / Cheney, WA Oregon State U / Corvallis, Oregon Portland State U / Portland, Oregon Boise State / Boise, Idaho PAC North East U of Idaho / Moscow, Idaho Idaho State U / Pocatello, Idaho U of Montana / Missoula, Montana Montana State U / Bozeman, Mt U Wyoming / Laramie, Wyoming PAC East USAF Academy / Colorado Colorado State U / Colorado UN Colorado / Greeley, Colorado Weber State U / Ogden, Utah Utah State U / Logan, Utah PAC West California SU / Sacramento, CA San Jose State / San Jose, CA CU Fresno / Fresno, CA C Poly State / San Luis Obispo, CA UC Davis / Davis, CA PAC South U Nevada Reno / Reno, Nevada U Nevada LV / Las Vegas, Nevada U New Mexico / Albuquerque, NM N Arizona U / Flagstaff, Arizona San Diego State / San Diego, CA
A possible solution of reviving PAC from Death Nail and Allow western Colleges to continue existence for next 5-10 years. Hoping that former Members return, after learning Traveling Yearly Budget Losses due to FBS - Natty Protocols Req 12+ Team Conference + Title 9 BS might not be Best option vs FCS or Football Autonomous Subdivision for Paid Athletes wo Title 9 Implications schools having only 65 Scholarships + Transfer Portals. If MWC + Big Sky C + PAC2 merge it could draw both N / S Dakota Schools to PAC East or PAC North East. PAC-12 Members leaving occurred due to Media Rights breakdowns during Final 2 Years of Broadcasting Payments / Deal Renegotiation being Completed before 2024. Knowing in 2022 that USC / UCLA were bailing and Balling out of PAC-12 Dumb Management.
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Oregon State is also a major powerhouse in Baseball if you like it or not.
Unfortunately, that fact doesn't bring in a lot of money.
Two national titles
@@jerrydonovan7507 Oregon State also has very good TV ratings not quite as good as WSU but on the other hand they have more big money donors, WSU AD mentioned OSU had ten times as much NIL money as them.
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3 if I recall right since 2000. @@deanfirnatine7814
Be hilarious if the Beavs got the Big12 invite and did really well and Smith was a Big10 bottom feeder at MSU.
I like this!!!
What do you mean...."was"......it's MSU....they'll get rid of him before that program ever turns around. The guy AFTER Smith may have a fighting chance , but even then, don't hold your breath on a Playoff berth. MSU is going to be relegated to mid-tier. Especially if the likes of FSU and Clemson go to the B1G. Way too top heavy. Which may be why FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12 or stay put just bitch'n their life away in the Almost Competitive Conference.
WSU ranked 41st nationally in 2022 for tv viewers… that’s pretty good for a small school
Beavs and Cougs to the Big12! Make it happen BY!
It would be crazy to have 3 Cougars in the Big12 if they added both.
The only cougs that matter in the big 12 is byu
WHY?
@@818MEX I beg to differ. I can think of other cougs that are far better 😈
WSU and OSU are far better brands than any of the second tier ACC teams. Let em in!
have to sit back and see how the ACC shakes out first. WSU and OSU would be in before the likes of San Diego State or USF though..
More speculation, obviously, just like previous vlogs you've posted regarding the fate of OSU and WSU. I appreciate the hopeful stance and your willingness to keep addressing this. I see you pulling for keeping these schools at P4/5 levels. Thank you for that. Also, please find a new thumbnail image for this topic. Jonathan Smith shouldn't be seen with OSU swag. #GoBeavs
I'm confused because Oregon State had more TV views (about 20 million) than Washington State this year. Seems like brands are equal.
Yep they are typically pretty close
For most years WSU has had better viewership than OSU. However, in recent years OSU has had more success than WSU.
In all honesty truth, I’m not mad them. They deserve it and I’m glad that our Beaver bros are doing well!
Oregon State and Washington State are brands? 😂
Oregon State has big money donors, WSU AD official told a reporter OSU has ten times their resources for NIL money, granted that is no where near Oregon. Oregon State gets good ratings as well. Looking at their schedules next year both Oregon State and Washington State will be 10-2 or 11-1, they will favored in almost all their games and one will have a shot at the expanded playoffs.
Washington State's average TV Viewership in the past 10 Years has been very close to Washington.
The reasons so many people watch Washington St games:
1). Population - 8 Million People live in Washington & it's always a Too-5 State in Population growth
2) Football is much bigger than people think it is up in The NW. People often group these teams with California & Arizona fans. They have numbers, but hardly anyone cares about Football per capita.
3) When you move to Washington people will often ask you. UW or WSU.... Who is your team? Similar to Alabama & Auburn, just at a lesser scale.
4) They've always had an exciting Team & high powered offense. So they tend to pick up new casual viewers often.
Oregon St and Washington St are no brainers.
Kid, you are saying what I've been saying, bit nobody believes me.
You are dead on, with this video. Good job.
I just had South Park’s Al Gore playing in his head when you said “nobody believes me” (when he’s talking about man-bear-pig)..
Oregon State gets way more money in research grants than athletics. Much like Cal and Stanford. You have to take that into consideration when discussing conference interest.
No, no one in Athletics cares about your research grants. That’s why Stanford and Cal are where they are. The two schools arrogance and lack of concern on athletics is why they were left out.
Part of the reason why the Apple Cup was watched so much is because it was the last time the Apple Cup will be played in the PAC12. I would imagine that the Civil War (excuse me...the now unnamed Oregon State vs Oregon game) probably had higher ratings than normal as well.
As crazy as it sounds, PAC could entice disgruntled schools from various conferences (Nebraska, Michigan, ACC schools for example) to join them. Networks won't be able to ignore it, and will have to offer a nice deal. Why leave the ACC for the SEC for 20-30% cut for X amount of years, when you can get 100% right away in a newly formed conference. Insane and crazy.
at that point… why wouldn’t a school like Nebraska and Michigan just join the Big12… and save the travel costs..
You got some good drugs going there! LSD much? Yeah Michigan is joining the PAC 2. 🤦♂
I wanted to believe this all football season based on this podcast alone and it has not happenned. I really want it too but tired of getting my hopes up.
It THEROY, the ACC is an ESPN property.
ESPN could allow ACC teams to move to the SEC and/or the XII.
If they moved to the XII then Fox would need to be willing to pay at or more than they currently do.
SO, the SEC/XII could pick up a few schools & the schools might pay a small exit fee. Maybe?
In Theory. The ACC can STEAL the best Big 12 teams from FOX by putting them in the ACC and then ABANDON what is left of the Big 12 (not much) to fend for itself because FOX is tapped out and doesn't have more money to PAY anybody (couldn't afford Full Shares for Oregon and Washington).
IN FACT. ESPN earns more money from the ACC than it earns from the SEC and is NOT going to watch its Empire Collapse over to FOX.
IN FACT. Now that ESPN does not have to waste its time airing B1G games ESPN gets better RATINGS by showing ACC games instead.
IN FACT. ESPN used the Big 12 to kill the PAC so ESPN didn't have to pay it anymore while it wasted the West Coast Audience and it only gave the Big 12 a 5 year TV Deal because it needs 3 or 4 years to get the ACC Money right SO that then the ACC can EAT the Top of the Big 12 and be the 3rd Conference of the Power Three.
IN FACT. Everybody has been so caught up in the demise of the PAC the BS success of the Big 12 and the money in the B1G and SEC that they have not paid attention to anything the ACC has been doing IN PLAIN SIGHT over the past 8 years. Allowing this BS narrative that the ACC is dying to persist without any FACTS.
So they don't know what a great position the ACC is actually in OR how good ESPN is actually doing because they are financially illiterate and do not understand how a CORPORATION WORKS. DISNEY having trouble does not mean ESPN is having trouble. Corporations do not work like that.
As a UCF fan I'd love to see the conference add Oregon State and Washington state BUT with the potential implosion of the ACC coming and the rumors of Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech etc having preliminary talks with the Big12 (I'm not including clemson and FSU in that I just don't believe those rumours, if they do leave it'll be the SEC) I feel like the Oregon State Washington State duo may be put on the back burnner with the potential of those "bigger brands" being available to fill those same spots...
High ratings for the Apple Cup was all because of Washington and seeing if they would remain undefeated
That game every year is one of the most viewed regardless on rival weekend. This year it was up of course to your point, but its a 100+ year rivalry game that the PNW tunes into each year.
Look at WSU viewership over the past 10 years and you will see Drake's point. They aren't Alabama, but they are rock solid in ratings. They are superior to half the current Big 12.
You give one example of a large TV audience for Washington vs Wash State. this one game and people tuned in to watch Washington. Same thing happened to TCU last year. Washington St. other games are NOT highly watched. Wash ST vs ORE had 2.35M, mostly Ore watchers. B12 has to be careful who they accept or the $ divide will get too wide to compete with the P2.
If we look at the average viewership over the last 8 years Washington State would be inside the upper half of the Big12, i think it would be around 5-7, don't have the numbers at the top of my head but Last year they ranked 41st in the Nation with 900k
WSU ranks just behind UW and UO in the number of games that have drawn over a million viewers from 2015-21.
Do a little research. Since 2015 Washington States average viewership per game is greater than any of the current Big 12 teams with the exception of Texas and Oklahoma, and it isn't even close once those two schools go away. Yes, this years game was a big one for UW but the reality is Washington State is on the top end of the viewership numbers every year. While that is true for WSU, OSU is on the other end of the spectrum.
This guy is here for click bait. Don't try and make sense on his nonsense!
Wow, you are completely wrong and it's hilarious how committed to being wrong you are. 😂
It would also be hilarious if OSU went to the big 10. They win a national Championship.
You mean THE Ohio State University, OSU? I can see that happening.
Nothin' but love for my PAC2 brothren at Wazzu, but Oregon State is a great program. In the past `10 Years we've been to multiple Bowls in Football, we've LIVED in the Top 25 Power Rankings for almost two years straight without falling. We've WON a College World Series, and BOTH MENs and WOMENs Basketball Teams have appeared in the FINAL FOUR. Our Men's soccer Team is making a championship run now. I personally don't give af about anything outside of Football, but our SPORTS PROGRAM is Legit, so we're not scrubs piggy-backing on Wazzu, our program puts them to shame competitively. And we kicked their arse in TV Ratings THIS SEASON (understandably). The BIG 12 should be begging to have us.
You won TWO national titles in baseball if I recall but it has been some time since the men's hoops team was good, just sayin, but you are 100% correct on basically all counts. You also have more deep pocketed donors, a WSU AD official was complaining you had "10x the NIL money" WSU does.
@@deanfirnatine7814Back to back College World Series winners in 2006 & 2007 I think and the 3rd title in 2018.
3 National titles in Baseball@@deanfirnatine7814
@@Quiltystitcher yes I was referring to the 2018. I gave my Beavs too much credit. 2021 we went to the Elite Eight, NOT the Final Four. Forgive me as I don’t follow basketball. I love MLB but don’t really follow college baseball unless we’re in the playoffs but I do remember the excitement in 2018. Anyway, just making my point OSU’s BRAND has been on the rise for nearly 20 years. We’re not riding the coattails of one respectable football season.
Is Mizzou x Arkansas a real rivalry?
What makes a league important and what makes the members coveted is simply whether or not they win. If say the big 12 were to win the next 5 football national championships there would be no question of whether or not they were on par with the big 10 and the SEC. Simply adding currently good members is only going to take the big 12 so far for so long. It's all about national titles. Especially in football. Get them and you matter. Don't and you don't.
That was a hell of an Apple cup
How did WSU do in their other games? You don’t make multi-year, multi-million $ decisions based on just 1 game.
Their just kids. And had there not been the disintegration of the Pac -12. Who knows how high that group of kids would have gone. After all they statistically spanked the no.4 team in the country for much of that game!
@@waynecarpenter9202 Thats fine. But ESPN and the networks arent just going to give tens of millions of $ to the Big 12 to add W/OSU based simply on the fact that these schools may have the potential to go high.
Honestly, there’s very little chance of the ACC imploding completely. While 3-5 teams have a good chance of joining the SEC or Big Ten, that still leaves well over half of the league intact. And the media deal for the ACC pays each school $5 million per year than they would make in the Big 12.
with 3-5 of those top tier school gone.... does the media deal still pay more than the Big12.... there lies the question..
Take out the top four and the Big 12 will have much higher revenue.
Unless there is language in the ACC deal in which specific teams are required be in the conference, the deal is locked in place until 2036.
@@54raynor a contract is written with specifics…. You can just swap Miami (FL) with Miami (OH) and expect the person you made a contract with to pay the same.. at that point you’ve changed terms of the contract..
@@dacokc Except they literally already did that when they added Cal, Stanford, and SMU at the exact same payout as all of the other schools.
Go Cougs!
OSU and WSU could hold their own against a lot of the BIG-12. If they can keep their teams together and fill a few holes in the Portal.
Washington State, Oregon State can create a new P conference by adding Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, UNLV, Air Force, Utah State, Wyoming, SMU, UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, UAB, USF, JMU, North Dakota State, South Dakota State and App State. Boise State against UCLA got over 2 million as well. People still wants to watch Boise State. Some of the top G5 schools still get the viewership. Boise State vs top schools in the P5 and top of MWC gets the ratings as well. Same with Fresno State. Removed the ratings from the bottom of the MWC, and Boise State gets close to 2 million which is more than some schools in the Big 12, SEC and ACC. ESPN would love to get Boise State back into their fold, and they really wanted Houston to stay in the AAC, and Boise State as number 4.
People simply watch meaningful games.. people wanted to see if Washington would lose.
While the ratings were exceptional this year, The Apple Cup is annually one of the highest-rated games of Rivalry Week.
@@54raynor I was watching any game that had playoff implications in the last three weeks…
BINGO! This had nothing to do with WSU having exceptional value.
@@dacokc I agree that the ratings were exceptional for this year. But I was pointing out that this isn’t the first time the game has done good ratings, as the Apple Cup is annually one of the top-rated games of rivalry week.
I said it once, osu and wsu are not going to the big 12. Florida state is going to try like hell to leave the acc. The acc is done there will only be 3 power conferences left. Big 10, big 12 and sec will pick the carcas of the acc lol
It took me a second to realize all this guy talks about is the Big12. First and foremost, Oregon St and Wash St aren’t EVER going to the big12. The other members aren’t going to be willing to split their tv revenue for football, and those two don’t have the endowments that Stanford and Cal have. That’s how they can afford to play for free in the ACC the next ten years. Both schools made it very clear they intend to rebuild the PAC, and the Mountain West is on board. Sure it does nothing for football, but it puts their basketball and baseball programs immediately into money and ranked competition. Really, football is the outlier that will decide how everything falls. This whole scheme also requires Fl St to play for free until the media rights deal expires wherever they move, and I don’t see that happening.
They need to invite Beavs
This guy knows nothing.
Wazzu & Wash was watched in Washington because the Apple Cup is the biggest football game there.
Wazzu vs Stanford would get beat by a pop Warner game on TV.
Oregon has 3 million less residents and almost beat out the Washington schools. This guy needs to get his background information straight.
Oregon State has the 5th highest TV ratings of ALL western BCS teams.
Duh. WAZZU & OSU will survive.
They’ll probably be in the mix of the conference breakups that are inevitable.
Guys like this only spread misinformation. It’s too bad.
Those numbers are great...BUT Key players have just hit portal..so they are gone for next year .
If the ACC implodes, the Big 12 wants east coast teams, not more west coast teams. Their best hope is joining the ACC if the top teams leave.
The Big 12 doesn’t have any West Coast teams.
The Big12 would take their 16 schools and join the depleted ATLANTIC Coast Conference? I don't think so... at that poing the Big12 takes the next 4-6 best ACC schools... adds another 2 and goes to 24 programs..
@@54raynor *Western*
@@dacokcthere is as much of a difference between Pacific and Mountain as there is between Central and Eastern.
@@54raynor my only point is the best West Coast teams have found homes. That said the Big12 does have Western teams.. Right now what it needs is more eastern teams/expansion..
Other than making for more travel for Little 12 fans, I do not see what Washington State and Oregon State would bring to the conference.
OSU and WSU make little sense for the Big XII. Why? A number of reasons but top of the list is they need to see who ( if anyone) from the ACC becomes available. We can all agree Clemson, FSU, UNC, and probably Miami and UVA will not be available. But what about NC State, Louisville, Pitt, VT and even Duke? All of those schools are better adds then OSU and WSU.
I don’t disagree with first waiting to see what happens with the ACC before making any new additions. If, as you say, 4 schools instead of 5 are left after the Big10 and SEC take their fill, that would be a good time to make the Big12 a coast to coat conference by adding 6. That would pretty well put a wrap on further expansion.
What makes the Big 12 so special though? You have no big brands and couldn't keep the 2 you had. Like it or not, the current Big 12 is at the same level as the AAC or Mountain West. You guys are a Power 5 by contract, not talent or brand. Adding WSU and OSU would add 2 solid programs with solid viewership. Not to mention money. If they win their lawsuit, they won't be desperate and the Big 12 will be begging for them.
If the Big 12 is no better than the mwc or AAC, then why do you desperately want a Big 12 invite? everyone outside Big 12 salivates over the longhorns but they have no more conference titles than Kansas State
@@Alex-pe9bd No one is desperate to join. I am sure not. If we win our lawsuit, which looks likely, then WSU and OSU can rebuild the Pac 12. Look, you are naive if you think the Big 12 isn't 1 or 2 realignments from being in the exact position the Pac 12 is. The Big 12 has no premier brands. The worst thing that could have happened was what happened to TCU last year. They were exposed for what the Big 12 is. All name and no substance. My point is, you are not doing Oregon State and WSU a favor by adding them. It is mutually beneficial and frankly WSU and OSU don't really need it and don't really want it. No one of authority has even hinted at any desire to join. This is all fan b.s. I would rather they just rebuild the Pac 12 which seems likely.
Yeah. But NOBODY from the ACC is going to be available to the Big 12.
ACC is raiding the Big 12 in 5 years and taking the 6 best programs the Big 12 has.
So... Big 12 needs the best replacements it can get. Not just more G5s
So many watched the Apple cup because it was touted as the last one, and everyone wanted to see UW get beat. It’s a one off.
The civil war is normally just as popular, and frequently OS has dashed UO playoff hopes.
That was a bad example but look at yearly ratings, WSU and OSU get shockingly good TV ratings for being no where near a major TV market
Just give it up. You have been trying to will this to happen yet it hasn’t and is not anytime soon.
As a ACC fan, you can have FSU, whose fans are the Shooter McGavin's of the college football landscape, their fans are arrogant, and the people who run it are just as bad, they are perfect replacement for Texas, come on, take them, please take them
Sounds like Texas! they all belong together.
And this is exactly why I think that if the B1G doesn't invite FSU....and even if they do.....FSU may opt for the Big 12. The B1G and SEC are already top heavy. The competition will be brutal with 9 In-conference games....Which the SEC and ACC do NOT play!! Add in a couple more top brands and the B1G will go to 10 In-conference games or into a pod system. The SEC will continue being the pussies that they are and only play 1 or 2 tough opponents all season so they can stack the "playoff" with as many of their normally mid-tier, ESPiN selected teams. Seriously....Tennessee is ranked but Northwestern and Maryland are not?!! If you blank out the names and compare the stats of those 3, you'd be shocked to realize that TN would be the lower of the 3. THAT is the SEC/ESPiN bias. The very thing that works against FSU and OSUw and WSU and many other programs.
Bottomline is what I have always said for the past 30+ years. If Notre Dame ever joins a conference for football, it will be the ACC. If the ACC implodes, I now see FSU et al joining the Big12 to get a stronger argument for SoS while not being overwhelmed to even make it into the "Playoffs". (Which might eventually force ND to the B1G or Big 12, for the exact same reasons.)
I hope Florida state goes to the big 10. Instant access to the CFP all you have to do is basically BEAT michigan or oho state EASY PEASY
Don’t forget Penn State..
@@dacokc And USC, UO, UW have something to say about that too!! NO more ...just 8 In-conference games like the pussies in the SEC and ACC play, that ONLY have 1 or 2 tough opponents....try AT LEAST FOUR or MORE tough opponents out of the 9 or possibly 10 In-conference games if FSU and Clemson were to join. UCLA alone will play at least 6 teams next year that are pretty much guaranteed losses for them!! USC have 5 marquee matchups on their schedule. The days of undefeated B1G Conference team are going to be rare at best, if not impossible. Fox said they wanted to make The B1G like the NFL. Name the team and year of the ONLY undefeated NFL team?
FSU plays how many tough marquee matchups per year? One!?! Maybe 2?!!! Just like the SEC.
FSU would have to play a MINIMUM of 4 tough marquee games EVERY year in the B1G. Like UCLA plays 6 next year and USC plays 5. Add FSU and Clemson....and FSU will play HALF their season against tough marquee opponents.....no more pussy-ball like in the Severely Educationally Challenged or the Almost Competitive Conference. Nine to 10 In-conference games.
I need NCAA to put an end to this expansion.
Expand as much as possible while it's available
so... should the Big12 add Miami (of Ohio) and Liberty?
You should add a brain
Washington state and Oregon state are just screwed. there will be a new pac mountain conference, that may exclude some mountain west schools and include some big sky schools. maybe some wcc alliance for basketball. they have to find a new path the tv people don't care.
Good grief…..😂
No
PAC / MWC Merger
PAC North
Boise State / Boise, Idaho
U Wyoming / Laramie, Wyoming
USAF Academy / Colorado
Colorado SU / Colorado
Utah State U / Logan, Utah
Washington SU / Pullman, WA
Oregon SU / Corvallis, Oregon
PAC South
San Jose State / San Jose, CA
CU Fresno / Fresno, CA
U Nevada Reno / Reno, Nevada
U Nevada LV / Las Vegas, Nevada
U New Mexico / Albuquerque, NM
San Diego State / San Diego, CA
*U of San Diego / San Diego, CA
*Steal from Pioneer F. Leagues
PAC 2 + BSkyC 12 Only
PAC West
Washington SU / Pullman, WA
E Washington U / Cheney, WA
Oregon State U / Corvallis, Oregon
Portland State U / Portland, Oregon
California SU / Sacramento, CA
C Poly State / San Luis Obispo, CA
UC Davis / Davis, California
PAC East
U of Idaho / Moscow, Idaho
Idaho State U / Pocatello, Idaho
U of Montana / Missoula, Montana
Montana State U / Bozeman, Mt
UN Colorado / Greeley, Colorado
Weber State U / Ogden, Utah
N Arizona U / Flagstaff, Arizona
PAC 25
with MWC + BSkyC Acquisition
PAC North West
Washington SU / Pullman, WA
E Washington U / Cheney, WA
Oregon State U / Corvallis, Oregon
Portland State U / Portland, Oregon
Boise State / Boise, Idaho
PAC North East
U of Idaho / Moscow, Idaho
Idaho State U / Pocatello, Idaho
U of Montana / Missoula, Montana
Montana State U / Bozeman, Mt
U Wyoming / Laramie, Wyoming
PAC East
USAF Academy / Colorado
Colorado State U / Colorado
UN Colorado / Greeley, Colorado
Weber State U / Ogden, Utah
Utah State U / Logan, Utah
PAC West
California SU / Sacramento, CA
San Jose State / San Jose, CA
CU Fresno / Fresno, CA
C Poly State / San Luis Obispo, CA
UC Davis / Davis, CA
PAC South
U Nevada Reno / Reno, Nevada
U Nevada LV / Las Vegas, Nevada
U New Mexico / Albuquerque, NM
N Arizona U / Flagstaff, Arizona
San Diego State / San Diego, CA
A possible solution of reviving PAC from Death Nail and Allow western Colleges to continue existence for next 5-10 years. Hoping that former Members return, after learning Traveling Yearly Budget Losses due to FBS - Natty Protocols Req 12+ Team Conference + Title 9 BS might not be Best option vs FCS or Football Autonomous Subdivision for Paid Athletes wo Title 9 Implications schools having only 65 Scholarships + Transfer Portals. If MWC + Big Sky C + PAC2 merge it could draw both N / S Dakota Schools to PAC East or PAC North East. PAC-12 Members leaving occurred due to Media Rights breakdowns during Final 2 Years of Broadcasting Payments / Deal Renegotiation being Completed before 2024. Knowing in 2022 that USC / UCLA were bailing and Balling out of PAC-12 Dumb Management.
WSU is a financial train wreck.
No to the ACC that would be a disaster