Ben Shapiro Asks About a Schism Under Pope Francis w/ Fr. Jason Charron &
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- Ben and Fr. Jason talk about papal theology, picking the next Pope, Ultramontanism, and Concilliarism.
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I am a Catholic from India. Ill be ordained a priest. Please pray for us. 😍
Isn't there a possible schism going on with the Syro-Malabar Church, where one group wants to persevere on the Latinizations and the other group to go back to the old Eastern traditions?
@@axelramirez6245 Yes it's possible. Unfortunately.. We need to pray and probably let both coexist.
The Syro Malabar has a tiny population compared to the Latin rite.
Be guided by The Holy Spirit. You’ll be ok amid the new requirements regarding celebrating Mass. I’ll pray for you. You guys ( newly ordained) are in a tough spot. Find a good traditional priest … for advice. 🙏🏼
Based
We must follow the pope in matters of faith.
As a Protestant, I'm praying for unity and strength for my Catholic brothers. May the Lord lead you through this difficult period.
Thank you, brother!
Thank you 🛐
Thank you.
Since I'm a Protestant, it's okay for me to say that Protestants praying for unity among Catholics is a bit ironic. The prayers really need to be going both ways. 😀
Similar, but this is what happens when you elevate a man(and just a man) to be the vicar of Christ who can't be wrong ex cathedra...you end up having to defend all kinds of statements(even tho what Ben is talking about does not appear to be ex cathedra).
While I believe many practicing catholics and priests are true believers, the leadership I have my doubts on.
I’m a Protestant but I love my Catholic brothers and have a vested interest in the Catholic Church remaining whole and strong.
How would you feel about the Catholics who wish to remain faithful to Christ rather than the Roman Papacy returning to the Orthodox Church?
Then you are leaving the Church of Christ. We do not leave Jesus bc of Judas. As the priest in the video stated we have had bad popes before. The Church will prevail as the lord promised.
Join Holy Mother Church. She loves you also.
How can you possibly make that claim at this point? The Roman basis for the Great Schism has even been admitted by the Vatican to be fraudulent. The only reason why the Vatican hasn't embraced Holy Orthodoxy at this point is for a lack of humility.
I really don't understand how our separated brethren can possibly deny that Orthodoxy is Christ's Church at this point. There is literally zero basis to say otherwise outside self-rationalization. @@apax9856
Thank you for your kind support. As a Protestant, you have a brotherly love that this so-called Pope completely lacks. Francis despises faithful Catholics and the Catholic Church, and he is doing everything he can to destroy the Church from within by abusing his authority. It's a tragic irony. Remember that the Pope is Christ's servant, while the Head of the Catholic Church is still Christ. Francis appears to have forgotten this truth. When the Pope attacks the faith and fails to protect it, his authority ends.
As a devout Catholic, I will say the Pope speaks very confusing and circular without being specific. It makes me question EVERYTHING he says. I follow Scripture, Tradition and Reason while remaining steadfast to a holy, balanced sacramental life, believing Jesus is in control, and that this, too, shall pass, eventually.
Like what Father said, the Pope isn't the Oracle of Delphi. People believe the Pope is supposed to be like a guru, but the Catholic Church has never taught that. Same with all priests. They are not gurus.
But you have to see how this becomes conflicting for Catholics. The pope holds the highest earthly office, and is the Vicar of Christ; as such, he needs to be clear and truthful with his words. I'm just now getting back into the Catholic faith, and while I'm not opposed to Church tradition, it pains me to see people drawn away from Christianity because of inaction, indolence, and ambiguity on behalf of Christian leaders, including the pope. No one is a "guru," but this is the man we entrust to maintain the integrity of the Universal Church.
Amen
@@No_ComplyNope, the Pope is not entrusted to maintain the integrity of the Church. That's Our Lord's job. Besides, what do you mean by "maintain the integrity of the Universal Church"? If you mean the Church on Earth is supposed to be perfect in every way or else it's not the True Church, then that's also not what the Church teaches. We are in a fallen world and the integrity of the Church on Earth will always be attacked from the inside and the outside. It won't ever be perfect. Even during St Paul's time the Church had been plagued by controversy and scandal.
As for the people who were drawn away from Christianity due to bad leaders, they are the victims of the sin of scandal and must be prayed for; but you cannot avoid such things from happening in a fallen world.
Fake popes since 1958.
Not only does he not have the power to change eternal truth, he is bound to preserve them.
Please explain, then, how, in the pope’s view, a moral atheist may get into heaven.
@@valuestreet4903 From my basic armchair research (aka, I asked a nun trainee at a party once), as long as you don't outright deny God, but live a good life, you can get into Limbo for a couple eternities and if you're a good boy, you can then get into heaven.
@@valuestreet4903 The same way that we may *hope* not teach, that Hell is empty.
@@valuestreet4903 The teaching is clear.
All those who knowing what the Church is, and denying Jesus Christ, have rejected heaven (the promise of God).
Why would you want to be with God enter ally and also reject God now?
@@valuestreet4903 What do atheists believe after death? Nothing? I can’t tell you the pope’s view lol, hopefully the same as the Catholic view: baptism is necessary for salvation and one must be in a state of grace to enter Heaven.
How amazing to hear some clarity, thank you Fr. Jason.
Fr Jason just traded the Bergoglian heresy for the gnostic heresy. There is no way a person can discern when bergoglio is speaking personally or as the pope without secret gnostic knowledge.
@@davidmascarenas9830 This pope has excommunicated himself if he has canvassed for his election even with one of the Cardinals. Then the whole election is null and void. Seat is vacant.
Irony is none of the cardinals can bring out the truth, as they get excommunicated automatically.
Good chance that the masculine clarity you hear comes from his not being a celibate priest . . .
@@QED_ what da??
@@celinamilian You have a question (?)
Thanks Matt. Have been listening for years. This is a really good move. It shows your sincerity in the faith. What an awesome display of humility, letting Fr. Jason use your platform. I’m not shocked, because it’s evident you’re a disciplined Catholic, but still! Who else says, actually I know a better guy for the job and gives someone their studio chair? I will pray for your continual humility and the sanctification of you, Cameron, and your family. Thanks for what you’re doing.
What does the Talmud say about Jesus and the Virginia Mary?
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Blasphemous lies is what it says !!!!!!!!!!!!! @@schlomotaysachstein5630
Thank you, Fr Charron! As a fellow Eastern Rite Catholic, I was very proud of you. You were very articulate, even-handed, firm in your convictions yet reasonable. Well done. Thanks too to Matt and Ben for providing the platform and asking good questions!
Wow. This priest is brilliant. Never hear him before. More of him please
I want to say there is a whole podcast with him and Matt
Fr Charron is not brillient - Fr. Charron is trading the Bergoglian heresy for the Gnostic heresy. There is no way anyone can discern whether Bergoglio is speaking his heresy as pope or personally as Bergoglio without some secret gnostic knowledge. Furthermore Fr. Charron is ignoring reality. Bergoglio literally gave approve for divorce and remarried to receive communion in his official acts. This is an extreme heresy. Kind of hard for Fr. Charron's argument to make any sense here.
Good chance that the masculine clarity you hear comes from his not being a celibate priest . . .
several interviews with Father Charron in here
He has more than one 2+ hour interviews with Matt Fradd (linked). Had no idea he'd sat down with Ben Shapiro. th-cam.com/video/EVGmJ7nhnY8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=PintsWithAquinas
I wonder how many catholics that openly dislike Francis actually pray for him
...love your enemies!
I do, on my knees, everyday. Especially, for his conversión (and mine, of course!)
You might be surprised.
Dorothy Lane…hate the sin! 😢💔
I wonder how many catholics actually read the teachings of the vicar of christ, and how many of them realize they are actively going agaist the living magisterium and thinking...what an amazing catholic i am. This is fariseism. Let´s pray for every one.
praying for the Holy Church... Ben had some great questions!
There is legitimate spiritual good in the practice of trying to save the Holy Father's words, even when he's not formally teaching. And this usually offers great comfort to those who practice it when they find out that he's been taken out of context, he's been mistranslated, he's been misunderstood, he's been flat out misquoted, and/or he isn't as bad as many say. I highly recommend it.
We are called to be as wise as serpents but as meek as doves. Pray for leadership and examine their words carefully and respectfully. This does not mean to submit to words of slander or accept incorrect ideas. I pray for the Pope and for greater love and Truth to always prevail. We must ALL submit to Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium.
Yes your right
A Pope should be the first to be Clear about what he says and leave no room for "mis-whatever" his very murky words (if you want to be nice to the point of naiveté), because he is our Lord's appointee.
Unfortunately, it seems that in these days, everyone strives to blend in as much as possible and run away from speaking the Truth, from teaching the Gospel and paint a very visible line that marks where the Catholic Church stands; with Jesus Christ.
Everyone is welcome, yes. Just leave the sins out. Those are not welcome.
I recommend reading St. Vicente Ferrer's writings, they might shed a little light about this matter, as he is a Church-recognized saint.
Are you an active Homosexual or do support the Pope's attempts to change Church doctrine in regards to Homosexual behaviour?
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Very humble of you Matt, to suggest this priest to go on rather than yourself!
Thank you Matt. Appreciate making your channel avaliable to show the best side of Catholicism.
LOVED his answers! SCARY times we live in! It will take God alone to undo this mess!
So true! Divine Intervention is needed to straighten out the mess in the Catholic church and in the world.
@@dianefrank3688the Warning…
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Excellent interview! As a devout Catholic I appreciate both of these "heavyweights" discussing matters most concerning to conservative Catholics. I have much respect for both speakers.
Why do you have respect for Ben Shapiro? He has said that he hates our King because Jesus "got what was coming to Him".
@@NowhereNNI’ve never heard Ben say that, ever! He is very respectful of Christians and the Catholic Church. He has read more and clearly knows more about Catholicism than most Catholics. But if you have a clip where he said that share it here.
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Also, Shapiro believes in the Talmud. Read Jesus in the Talmud which was written by a Jew as well. All and I do mean all Jews (religious not atheistic ethnic Jews) believe that Jesus is burning in a pool of his own feces or boiling in his own semen (depending on if you are referencing the Babylonian Talmud or the Palestinian Talmud). I don't want to be so graphic about our Holy King but that's what they believe. Look it up.
@@NowhereNNBen has never said that. He’s very charitable toward Christians as a Jew and he’s always defending us.
@@ntmn8444You are wrong. He said it on Joe Rogan's podcast. He said Jesus was a common criminal who got what was coming to him.
As a Fr Hesse once said, it's heresy to say the Pope is never infallible, but it's an even bigger heresy to say the Pope is always infallible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
I think it means whether you support or not you will be wrong. Is this what it means?
@@heideknight9122 it means the Pope is infallible only when he speaks from the Chair, not when he makes private comments on a plane or in a cafe.
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Papal infallibility is fairly recent in the scheme of the Church as a whole so.
Thanks, Matt. So appropriate for those of us reading the Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz. The section was titled Authorities in society. Good Stuff!
I think this is the time when we take responsibility for ourselves.. ensure we know the faith, are receiving the sacraments, avoiding sin and scandal, and most importantly acting always in charity, and praying for the Pope.
Amen!!
Very true! We have sacred scripture and sacred tradition already established. The magisterium may be temporarily compromised, but we have to dig into what comes from God - his word. We can’t rely only on the clergy.
Protestant brother here praying unity and peace for my Catholic brothers!
All the powers of hell will NOT prevail against His Church!!
Traditional Catholics pray that Protestants and Jews alike CONVERSION to Catholicism. 🙏
May I ask a good faith question? If you are Protestant, why do you say “His Church?” Truthfully, it’s rare for a Protestant to say that, and I find your opinion quite interesting. Respectfully, what are your reasons for not being Catholic if you pray for Catholic unity/peace and believe that the powers of hell will not prevail against His (Christ’s) Church?
You're right, hell won't prevail. You should also join Christ's Church
❤
@@bobsmitg6987 Christ's Church is every believer on the face of God's earth according to the Bible.
I thought Father made a great note that, for these things, it’s important to “think vertically”, rather than left or right. There is real danger in reading Pope Francis through the relatively microscopic lens of American politics. It’s way bigger than all this. While I don’t agree with everything, I think there are certain things more conservative-minded Catholics like myself can consider mindfully.
It’s also important to remember that it’s God’s Church. We’re not just a community with a collection of similar values that can be dissolved if those values begin to differ. If we believe that Christ’s promises are actually true, then we must trust that we’ll be seen through difficulties under the guidance of the Holy Spirit
FRANCIS IS A HERETIC, PLAIN & SIMPLE
Unfortunately Fr. Charron is trading the Bergoglian heresy for the Gnostic heresy. There is no way anyone can discern whether Bergoglio is speaking his heresy as pope or personally as Bergoglio without some secret gnostic knowledge.
The Cardinals of the Dubia disagree. I suppose your much smarter than the highest ranking Canon Law experts in the world? Your arrogance is the highest ranking I have seen on this subject to date@@davidmascarenas9830
Exactly. That’s what every rad trad is doing and Fr correctly said to think vertically.
Thank you for taking about this issue. We need clarity !
Gotta give credit to Ben for having conversations with Catholic heavyweights like Bishop Barron, Matt Fradd, Trent Horn and Fr.Jason on serious subjects. Now we just need Jimmy Akin to get in a room with Walsh and Knowles to talk about ETs.
he will never criticise judaism or critics of judaism
Barron? Privileged way?
I'll hold my breath until I see Father Chad ripingger, or any FSSP ICKSP priest
If there are ETs, they are demons but most likely a distraction from the government. Step behind me ET.
@@palsenka5755 Who?
I love Fr. Jason Charron
Love you too!
God bless Father Jason. Great to hear from you. Brilliant video. Our Lady and St Joseph please pray for us. 🙏❤💙❤Love from Scotland 🏴.
Conciliarism is ruled out by Vatican I
@@tombretislow7091Conciliarism is an ecclesiological disease and I stated that it is an opposite extreme from its sister evil of ultramontanism. Both are a distortion of Peter’s office.
@@FrJason What's your definition of ultramontanism?
Great questions Ben. Pope needs to turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel. He is walking a fine line and appears to be slipping. We pray for Him
Thank you so much Father . Confusion is rife in the Catholic Church due to Pope Francis dealing with earthly realities and moving away from the spiritual realities and truths of Jesus Christ.
Even sugar coating sins as a way to heaven, or to his fool's paradise.
@@alexisrodrigues4767he does not sugar coat anything. I recently saw his documentary where he set some young progressives straight on Catholic issues. There was a scene where one of the girls, a self-proclaimed Catholic feminist, says to the pope, “I love that you’re so progressive! So when are you going to allow women to be priests?” He didn’t mince any words at all. He was nice about it, but he basically told her that would never happen.
@@ntmn8444 Documentaries are all made up by the director and producer who produce them. It is one sided opinion. I will ask you, only one of the gravest error the pope committed. Did he not take part in pachamama worship? May be it was made to look like that, just as muslims tell about Jesus crucifixion.
Why are people pretending like the Pope speaking on social issues is either new or wrong? How about Rerum Novarum? Confusion isn't rife because of Pope Francis, it is right because media personalities take hold of gullible and ignorant laity and make them think that Francis is heterodox, he isn't.
People have been talking about a schism here(the US) for decades…and it absolutely stems from a sadly unique American tendency.
That being an addiction to decade long “traditions”, and wanting to maintain their microcosm.
The Catholic Church has altered form hundreds of time in 20 centuries
What has NEVER changed is the SUBSTANCE.
The substance is what is important.
Wonderful discussion with a very knowledgeable priest. Thank you
Thank you Ben for your questions and thank this priest for his clear answers. I am 74 and have always appreciated every Pope until Frances. But just like we need evil to understand good, and a storm to appreciate the calm, God has a purpose for Frances. I am always comforted by Jesus’s words to Peter when Jesus assigns him head of the Church. That: “The gates of hell will not prevail against it.” The Church and its doctrine have prevailed for 2000 years and will continue to prevail until the end of time.
that priest knew his stuff. I am now going to write a letter to my bishop who invited Fr.James Martin SJ to our diocese. I will be cordial
Unfortunately Fr. Charron is trading the Bergoglian heresy for the Gnostic heresy. There is no way anyone can discern whether Bergoglio is speaking his heresy as pope or personally as Bergoglio without some secret gnostic knowledge. Furthermore Fr. Charron is ignoring reality. Bergoglio literally gave approve for divorce and remarried to receive communion in his official acts. This is an extreme heresy. Kind of hard for Fr. Charron's argument to make any sense here.
@@davidmascarenas9830 He wants to diplomatic else axe will upon him. But such priests are also on the highway to hell for sugar coating than real deposit of faith.
The difference between political speech and political speech is pretty clear. You don't need "secret gnostic knowledge" to discern, say, income inequality from LGBT people recieving commumion.
Kind of impossible to be a sedevacantist Catholic.
@@eustacelittle5044 It is similar to Syro Malabar Catholic, Coptic Catholic etc.. Aren't they Catholics?
I clicked onto this video thinking that it was a Ben Shapiro clip and was surprised to discover at the end that it was a Pints with Aquinas clip! What a twist!
Anyway, thanks for this video. As a Catholic I found it quite interesting.
Ben is my favorite jew. But, we have a lot of more touchy topics we must discuss.
It is aBen Shapiro clip from Daily Wire. (Matt was gracious enough to let me use his studio, and he was also gracious enough to post it on Pints). Fr. Jason
A wild pastor appears!
@@SonsoftheEagle Technically Jesus should be your favourite Jew. 😄
Goodness me what a time to be alive. Total chaos and confusion and, let’s face it, downright evil both within and without of the church but we will have to finish the race at this point come what may! God bless you Matt 🙏
Thank you Fr. Charrin for speaking about a "delicate" subject with courage🌹
God bless you all and we hope the Truth shall prevail!🙏💒🔥
As Catholic I don't believe anyone can change anything in the teaching, therefore whoever changes is doing the schism. "Let them be anathema"
Excellent, clear answers from Father! Thank you, Father!
Good chance that the masculine clarity you hear comes from his not being a celibate priest . . .
@@QED_ I see no reason to jump to that conclusion. My parish priest is celibate, and he teaches with knowledge and clarity.
@@vrgg8376 It's just more likely overall . . .
Thank you Fr. Charron
Is this the full video? I’d like to watch it all!😊
Well done. Rr Jason was very good in how he answered the questions.
Fr. Charron is trading the Bergoglian heresy for the Gnostic heresy. There is no way anyone can discern whether Bergoglio is speaking his heresy as pope or personally as Bergoglio without some secret gnostic knowledge. Furthermore Fr. Charron is ignoring reality. Bergoglio literally gave approve for divorce and remarried to receive communion in his official acts. This is an extreme heresy. Kind of hard for Fr. Charron's argument to make any sense here.
Pints with Aquinas , Matt, everyone needs to repent for allowing this to happen. Everyone there should repent. Calling the Pope peronist? "Reign of terror?" This is SO prideful and damaging to souls. ..."to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required."
It really is terrible
Then PRAY for him...
Great video, especially considering all of the turmoil, both social and political within the church since Francis took over, it is very concerning and embarrassing to Catholics across the world. Thank you for sharing. I've subscribed to show my appreciation. I pray that God will continue to bless His children across the world, even the ones that hate Catholics... 🥰
"The pope is ultimately the person in the Church with the least freedom, because his authority is very limited, since he is only an administrator of something which does not belong to him, but to Christ. The pope is the last person in the Church who could say, "Now I will do what I want!"
- Bishop Athanasius
Schneider
#BANTHE ADL. Ben won’t speak out against that corrupt organization.
He has recently. Just this week, actually, if I am not mistaken.
Have you ever listened to his show?! I've heard him denounce the ADL multiple times as just a left wing organization that won't speak out on the antisemitism on the left. You should listen to him sometime.
Are you a shill?
@@irenem3854So his only problem with the ADL is that they do not go far enough suppressing criticism of Jewish people, lol
@@irenem3854 The problem is they're not "just a left wing organization", it's explicitly an organization set out to destroy the lives of anyone who criticizes Jewish people. His only problem with them is that they ALSO do other stuff, but the destroying lives part he's perfectly fine with.
A Catholic priest nodding along to the phrase "Judeo-Christian" kinda tells you everything you need to know about whether this guy is politically vs. religiously motivated.
Amen brother! We need to return to tradition when it comes Judaism
@@reillycassel3574 Yeah... I'm an atheist. Just pointing out the hypocrisy on the part of both Ben and the Priest. They may be believers but they're both acting primarily as material political agents in their daily lives. They're as likely to see heaven as, well, me.
@@harmoniousrexbut you don’t believe in heaven, isn’t that right? Or do you??
@@ntmn8444 Is that relevant?
@@reillycassel3574 We are Catholics. Catholics we don’t need to return to anything Judaism.
Ben did have good questions, and coming from a Jewish person at that. I do hope to see more videos like this.
As a catholic my place is to pray for the pope and all the priests and nuns to do what they are supposed to. Whether I agree with him or not outside of his duties that is my duty as a catholic.
His personal beliefs are not what worries me but that he properly feed and care for the lambs as Jesus asked of Peter. We’ve had worse popes but Jesus told us who wins. He, Father Son and Holy Spirit, wins.
Thanks for the clarity especially about Canon 212.
1 cor
Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.
That ending of the video where Matt came on screen was the biggest shock. I thought I clicked on Ben's channel!
I'm not sure what to make of all of this. I saw an official Vatican video earlier today with the Pope speaking about the upcoming synod. He said the intent is not to change Church dogma and doctrine. Then added they have no intention to go along with what has been happening in the German Church. Scary times. I guess we will have to wait and see.
I only go to Vatican website for news. Makes things more peaceful. :)
Excellent - answered several of my questions 👍🏻
"Judeo-Christian" ah yes, the infamous rejectChrist-acceptChrist brand of Christianity
Christian values come from Judaism. They’re pretty much the same, it’s based on the commandments given in Exodus, which is a book in both the Hebrew Bible as well as the Christian bible. 🤦♀️
@@ntmn8444 They absolutely are not. You, like many others, conflate the religion of the Old Testament and modern day judaism. Those two are not the same. They have about as much in common as Islam has with OT.
Kinda like the same jewish morality we read about in the new testament, right? Lol @ntmn8444
Conciliarism is a heresy condemned by Pope Pius II and the First and Second Vatican Councils. Past councils did not depose popes but rather false claimants to be pope.
Im very impressed with Ben Shapiro. He discusses deep theological issues with Christian leaders of all denominations as a knowledgeable peer and friend.
Is this part of a longer conversation? I’d be interested in hearing more of it if it is
Wow! This priest is very smart. Great interview.
When I did some reading on Jorge Mario Bergoglio's youth I knew there would be major issues. He basically was a communist sympathizer in Argentina.
I totally understand Francis about American Catholics struggling against replacing faith with ideology. I agree with him; this is very dangerous.
Francis is engaged in projection - conservative Catholics just want to read the Bible & defend the deposit of faith - not worship pachamama & mother earth goddesses
Kindly explain! Re: replacing faith with ideology. Sorry, have not been following closely. Thanks !
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Ideology is an artificial belief construct that often leads to sectarianism and even cult-like mentality. In the US, for instance, political ideology often takes precedence over doctrine. For instance, we have seen US bishops lamenting what they perceive as a shift toward “Marxism” in the Church, whereas such conviction is pretty much laughed off in the rest of the Catholic world. We have seen conservative US Catholics approach the issue of illegal immigration with the same hostility as displayed by their favorite political affiliation, rather than taking the biblical view of solidarity and acceptance. More specific to the pope’s comments, Ideology is also the insistence that a particular traditional liturgical practice (such as TLM) is superior to a more modern interpretation and must be defended at all costs, including the possibility of generating divisions and schisms. This is the conviction that the “form” of our faith is as important as its “content”; something the Church never taught.
@@videos_iwonderwhy Thank you for your detailed explanation n for taking the time to explain it in great detail.
Yet he lets Germans carry on with their blessings of homo "marriages" and lines the high offices with pro lgbt... which is bound to tear apart the church even further. The catacombs will be used once again, to teach the Truth and truly love the body of the Church by leading us away from so much sin instead of making it a okay.
Hermeneutic of charity and humility is important. If we were Pope and we wanted to criticize a section of the Church, wouldn’t we appreciate if that section took that criticism seriously. If Pope Francis critiques some conservatives for being too ideological, it would be only fair for conservatives to give that criticism an honest assessment, and then they would be free to agree or disagree with the pope.
The pope is not very charitable himself. I can still remember his words when Cardinal Burke got covid.
How charitable was he when the Chinese bishop who was imprisoned and fighting for souls in China against the govt? But dropped everything to have a meet and greet with Nancy Pelosi at that same time period?
How charitable is he to Catholics that want to worship the lord in the "Extraordinary Form" emphasis on the extra, as in extra worship, and then cutting off that ability?
The term "Conservative Catholic" should just be Catholics, as they just want church doctrine to be followed.
What criticism should we take seriously? It's all vague and cruel. No substance. He just keeps saying ideology, rigid, ideology, rigid, backward. Never ever defining what it is that we believe or do that's wrong.
These conservatives already have given it an honest assessment and are now free to disagree, and are disagreeing. Come on now.
Great point. And one thing I had noticed, especially when it comes to Pope Francis is that what gets reported isn’t always the entirety of what he said. They will take a snippet, and then some media sites will go nuts and rage. But when you take into context the conversation, the question asked, and his entire response, it puts it in a better light to make a more informed decision. If the media took quotes and clips to defame President Trump, what makes people think that Satan won’t influence the media to do that for Pope Francis, so that people will stop listening to him. I don’t speak his language, so I go off what the translator says, who knows if the site im watching that the translator isn’t goofing up certain words on purpose.
One thing that always has stuck out to me is how Padre Pio reacted when he was sold out by that Bishop and told he couldn’t do public Mass no more and was basically called a liar about the Stigmata. He 100% obeyed, without hesitation. I don’t remember his exact words, but it was something along the lines of he will obey to what the Church says, no matter what. Why I say that, is that I will listen to what Pope Francis says and if there is some area I need to improve upon, I will take that seriously. I will try to be as prudent as possible and research (seeing how we have all types of way to research available). And if a change in me is necessary, I will thank God for giving me the grace to realize that and pray for the graces to work on that fault.
Once again, fantastic point. Thank you.
during the pontificates of JP II and Benedict i was told by certain groups that as a catholic i must be obedient to the pope. These same groups are now telling me that it is a divine duty to criticise the pope. How things change! So the rule is: obey the pope when u like him; criticise the hell out of him when u dont like him
Exactly - Unfortunately Fr. Charron is trading the Bergoglian heresy for the Gnostic heresy. There is no way anyone can discern whether Bergoglio is speaking his heresy as pope or personally as Bergoglio without some secret gnostic knowledge. Furthermore Fr. Charron is ignoring reality. Bergoglio literally gave approve for divorce and remarried to receive communion in his official acts. This is an extreme heresy. Kind of hard for Fr. Charron's argument to make any sense here.
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Thanks Ben, our Jewish Family......I am Catholic, its heartbreaking...in a 2016, The Pope did say in an article "he woukd be the divide in The Catholic Church"....we just have to pray he finds Jesus in his heart...but your right...not on board w/ Pope Francis
Thank you for posting this information.
Thank you, Ben. I think we need someone on the outside to help us out.
Although I believe in protestantism, I hope for unity and peace for those who are having anxiety within the church about theology
with the attacks on Christ intensifying I pray for more unity towards each other. Cheers, a catholic.
How will protesantism ever lead to unity?
@jd3jefferson556 because its the only branch of christianity that doesn't make the dogmatic irreversible claim that exclusively, they are the "one true church".
as a protestant, i can say a baptist, calvinist, roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox are all part of the one true church without claiming the anathema on those i disagree with, if i do claim a church is in heresy, i atleast can be able to reform my thinking if infact they are not in heresy even though protestant churches have disagreements within each institution we still can claim unity.
Novus Ordo RCC trads FSSP ICKSP EWTN Franciscan University of Stuebenville and others....are in a state of denial.
Actually the Holy Father DOES have the ability to comment on matters of science based on what experts have asserted, and, according to Michael Lofton, can “evaluate, and compare to how it relates to matters of faith and morals….but his assessment is only as good as those who advise him on matters of science.”
HI Matthew. The Pope's competency relates to the sacred trust given him by Christ through his Petrine office to teach, govern and sanctify as it relates to faith and morals. Where do you get your idea that the Pope has authority on scientific matters? If that were the case, then why have labs, universities and the scientific method? Fr Jason
I'd rather the pope dwell on what the lord has said over what mortals have said.
Cause experts are often wrong or bought, and I'd rather not listen to those of high standing repeat the falsehood.
@@holytrinity9337 Upholding the quality of life for our children (the intent behind environmentalism) would fall under morals, so the Holy Father can comment on environmental issues in that sense, and call Catholics to care for the environment (In the old testament there is even teachings on giving the farming land a sabbatical year of rest). We can however, disagree about the specific solutions for how to achieve the best care for the environment and the people
Excellent, very informative, thank you.
I honestly think thin Ben Should have had on Michael Lofton who has done extensive work in regard to this topic.
Thank you so much for this topic and for the explanations!! If there is a schism what should lay people do? Who do we follow? If our parish priests follow the pope during a schism, what do we do?
@@zeroisnine Right, we should follow the pope but what do we do when the pope is not follow the teachings of Christ? What do we do when we don’t have a faithful pope who teaches error and is leading souls astray?
Regardless of whether he is speaking as Bergolio or Pope Francis, he has a responsibility to speak the truth because of who he is….. he’s not two individual people
But we must remember he is human; not perfect and divine. Pray for our Papa
Thank you both.
I’m starting to think that clip of Ben reciting the Nicene Creed wasn’t actually A.I. 🤣🙏
This is one of the best, well-said commentaries I have heard on how to understand the role of the pope and how to navigate the difficult process of interpreting and understanding what Pope Francis is saying and doing. Kudos to Ben Shapiro and Fr. Charron for putting this together! Thank you!
So how do you discern when the pope is talking as bergoglio and when he is the pope? This would basically be gnosticism. It requires secret gnostic knowledge.
Great comments!
It's not "judeo"-Christianity. This term is oxymoronic. It is only Christianity.
No, Jesus was Jewish man who came from the Jewish nation. Christians and Jews originate from the same place.
That said, what that term largely means is not as much theological, but ethical and moral.
@@mattm7798 And our ethics and morals have been changed by Christ's teachings. To doesn't make sense to call it judeo-christian when it's really just Christian. The disagreement between Matt and Dennis Prager is evidence of that.
There are those that call themselves Messianic Jews, they were raised Jewish and embraced Jesus later in life. This group would certainly recognize themselves as such. And the Old Testament is the Torah and Tenach and that’s pretty Jewish too 😂…but it’s true that in modern times the two faiths don’t align as much as they used to. But there’s still continuity that is undeniable. Let’s just be generous in our interpretation and not nitpick words.
Salvation is from the Jews. John 4:22
I will be honest, if their usage of this term implies an increase in proximity between jews and christians, it is not a bad thing, centuries of bad blood between us and we do want them to convert eventually. I agree that if it's used trying to subvert Christianity as "the same as Judaism", it is a bad term. I personally wouldn't use it, but given the context, it seems to be the former use, of proximity.
Thank you for clarifying
This is the first time I have heard the popes statement.. his statement made perfect sense to me. I am a catholic from Africa. Doesn’t matter in what capacity he has said it.
This was very helpful in relieving some of my confusion. Thank you.
In this instance, the Conservative catholics remind me of Martin Luther's Protestant
We have the church fathers writings, and all authority so no confusion should be there.
If people wants to change the church, he is on his own.
So now this is epic
Terrific guest. Thanks.
The problem is that the Pope has the charism of infallible interpretation of the Bible (and actually beyond the Bible, so theology more generally). That is a tremendous power, if you also believe that the Bible is the Word of God (as I do). So, if the Pope were to make an ex Cathedra proclamation on an issue of biblical interpretation, for example, on the reality or nature of marriage, that appeared to redefine what the nature of marriage is, then the Catholic would be in an authoritative bind: he would have to choose between the infallible proclamation of the Magisterium (with the Pope as its head) and what would seem to be the plain reading of the Scriptures AND the long tradition of the Church.
O glorious THRONE of GRACE, IMMACULATE HEART of MARY through which heresy is vanquished, TRIUMPH & REIGN in ALL hearts.
Mary also needed her Savior. This statement is most unbiblical.
It is my duty as a Catholic to pray for the Holy Father as the successor to Peter, and as a soul, seeking salvation; this, out of respect for his person and Office.
And to love him does not mean to agree with, but certainly, to obey....
To OBEY JESUS & the HOLY GOSPEL...Prayers for Bishop Strickland...an OBEDIENT example for us to emulate!!😌🙏📿💒👑⚖️🕊
Lord heal Your Church, Mother Mary pray for the leaders of your Son's Church especially on this your birthday.
The Pope is just a manager. Jesus Christ is my leader. The pope can spew all kinds of lies, trash, junk, etc., that doesnt change my relationship with Christ nor the reason why I chose to be Catholic. May God bless the Pope and help him, guide him, and carry him.
I would prefer to think of him as rather more than a manager. He is in the immmensely responsible position of trustee of the faith that has been handed down from the time of Christ and the Apostles.
He is the Vicar of Christ and the successor to St Peter, what he binds on earth is bound in heaven… not a “manager”
Please don't sound like a sedevacantist!
@@osar2870 He is a man. He manages the affairs of the Holy See. He manages the Bishops. He manages the business of the church. His job is to be a manager. Being Pope is just a job. It is the Holy Spirit that grows the faith. It is Christ that we follow. It is God who created us. The Pope is not closer to God than you or I. It is an awesome responsibility that the Pope takes on (God Bless him), but he still is just a man. A man that has the same brokenness and holiness as you and I. He will make mistakes, just like you and I.
Rule #1 Popes come and Popes go but God is eternal. Rule #2 Pray for the Pope.
@@DadInFastForwardbased response
If I remember, Conciliarism was condemned, and it was only used not to remove a pope acting badly - though none taught contrary to dogma, but did lead immoral personal lives - but was used when there were two or three claimants to the papacy, which lasted 70 years at one point. The Council decided who was the pope - in this case it declared that one was pope, the others weren't, required that he resign, and they held an election for a new pope. I don't think there is a mechanism at all for "removing a bad pope," but cardinals and bishops can write to the pope expressing their concerns and ask him to reform or to resign.
Enjoyed this. Fr. Jason did a great job.
Michael Lofton would've been good for this, too.
Lofton is a very bad source. He's left the Catholic Church so many times he doesn't even know where he is. Do NOT trust him. His views are colored by his own self-admitted apostasy. Give him 10-20 years to catch up but he's clueless today and has no ability to provide context.
@@PaulDo22Are you lying or just misinformed? Michael left the Catholic Church ONCE to become Orthodox after a traumatic experience, came back to Catholicism and has been Catholic ever since.
Lofton is a sofist and a gnostic. His Channel should be named "Gnosticism and theology" because all his arguments require secret knowledge and mental gymnastics to make sense of.
Michael Lofton annoys me. I did not know he had left for Orthodoxy and came back. But I do know he defends Bergoglio and attacks traditionalists, even just "respect the pope", but on issues when Bergoglio is OUTRIGHT heretical or mischievous - all those forked tongue statements that clearly cause confusion, clearly, because the Catholic world asks "what does this mean" and the no clarification is issued. No other pope in history has done that. If anything, the other popes are now being accused of "rigidity".
Do you know what is not "rigid"? A jellyfish without backbone, or a snake. Very flexible.
No. Lofton is a horrible Catholic. He should be ignored.
This great. Thank You so much.
Pray, hope and don't worry.
- St Padre Pio
Pope St. John Paul II: "The environmental crisis is a moral issue."
I'm not one to defend all of Pope Francis' comments, but speaking about how humanity treats creation is absolutely within his authority.
Great video. Nice to see someone respectfully call BS on some of the more way out there issues with the current Pontificate.
I wonder if another schism would matter. I'm genuinely not sure if it does. Once you schism off of the Church, does it matter if your group schisms against unless it is to return to the Church? I'm so happy to have found the True Faith in Orthodoxy.
It matters. Because every soul matters. Crazy as they are, I care about them. I don’t want them breaking off over falsities. And my God, these are all false narratives constructed by the leaders of this schism, like Taylor Marshall.
I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I'm saying if they're not breaking away from the Papacy to return to the Orthodox Church, does it really matter if they break away from the Papacy? Leaving behind the Papacy in and of itself doesn't necessarily improve or degrade their position.
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The only time the pope is considered infallible is when he is speaking from the chair. I think it's only happened twice, ever. The way the message is presented may change, but the message itself can not. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is my understanding.
I got roasted so hard by more knowledge Catholics when I said that a while back.
That the pope spoke infallibility only twice is not true.
Everytime a Saint is declared, that’s also the pope speaking infallibility, as well as those two Mary Dogma
declaring a saint isnt infallible, the two times infaliability happened was on marian dogma.
@@generalyousif3640 Last 2 Marian dogmas were promulgated in 1848 and 1950. None are recent by current pope.
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Nope, declaring a saint is infallible or do you think God let’s us have souls in hell be venerated?
Check Catholic answers.
Also, like those wise people explained to me, it would make us look really bad if we can only list 2 instances in our history where we are sure the Holy Spirit is guarding the truth.
@generalyousif3640 The infallible chair of Peter is not the only source of infallible teachings from the Church. Ex Cathedra pronouncements are incredibly rare.
The majority of infallible teachings flow from the Ecumenical Councils and Ordinary Magisterium.
The infallibility bit is only true when the pope makes pronouncements Ex-Cathedra and there's very specific circumstances to qualify that. I don't know them off the top of my head, but I do recall they're not small, random, or easy.
Love Fr Jason. One of the best guests (among a very strong field) on Pints With Aquinas.
Helpful conversation.
Christian morality, not Judeo-Christian morality, Ben.
indeed, no need to water down Lord Jesus, Ben, repent and acknowledge He is your King! But then again, he chose the visist Temple Mount were the Jews are building a Third Temple to unite all religions and he praised that effort. He is sowing discord here, he is NOT a Christian. He is not on our side.
Great video. I don't know too much about Ben Shapiro, but I like the guy. He asked great questions here, and I love hearing his debats with liberals. Is he Jewish?