"Getting older is really, really common." gave me a good chuckle! I've been using retinol all over my face since the first big lockdown with no issues around the eyes.
I did. When I moved to 1% retinol, my skin tolerated it well, so I started using it around the eyes as well. Few months later, I'm having really really dry eyes and discomfort. Went to the ophthalmologist, chronic dry eye, and surface of the eye temporarily damaged. Said I needed to use eye drops for life. Just as a precaution I stopped using the retinol around the eyes, and surprise surprise, my eyes are much better. The eye drops helped of course, but they are just a temporary fix, the effect only lasts some hours. And now, even if I don't use them, my eyes still aren't as dry as before. I still would like to try again to use the retinol 😅 just out of curiosity, to make sure it really was causing my dry eye
Optometrist here 👋I appreciate the very unbiased take on this as I find dermatologists on social media typically err on the side of "there's no evidence that it affects meibomian glands/ dry eye, therefore it means you shouldn't worry about using retinoid around your eyes" Some patients do find great relief when they stop using their retinoids/retinol products around their eyes (anecdotally), but there are other changes I would recommend first when it comes to cosmetics or skin care. I think far higher up on my list is to 1) never tightline the eyes, 2) practise good eyelid hygiene (e.g., hypochlorous acid sprays, using approved eyelid cleansers and always removing all your makeup) and 3) avoiding formaldehyde/formaldehyde derivatives and other ocular surface-irritating ingredients in cosmetics... to name a few.
I've been using topical retinol and tretinoin for around 3 years before i developed MGD. Ive used it near the eyes too, as I was obsessed with antiaging. At first i didnt even know where it came from, i didnt know the correlation as my simptoms affected mainly 1 eye. Mgd made me stop using contact lenses, I felt discomfort in any dry environment, it lead to depression... Please dont make the same mistake. Always protect the eyes, dont put retinols anywhere near the eyes if you dont have to. Fighting these little wrinkles is not worth putting our most precious sense organ into risk! Im a young female and a doctor, i wish the topic was discussed more.
Dr Dray, I been watching ur vids on tretinoin. I have rosacea- very sensitive skin. Ugh. Is this safe for this skin type? Thanks for all your info. Have a great day!😊🌸
@@DrDrayzday is there anything that I can use instead of vaseline around the eyes before retinol ? Whenever I use vaseline there I get tiny white pimples that dont want to go away
Thank you for addressing this, I was really frustrated by all the videos about retinol around the eyes just repeating that it's totally okay for the SKIN around the eye - yes, but what about my actual EYES? The few opthalmologist videos on the topic are counseling against it and say the damage with long term use could be irreversible, so as much as I would love to, I decided not to use retinol in the eye area because I'd rather have wrinkles than suffer form dry eyes...
THANK YOU for this video. As a dry eye sufferer, it's been incredibly frustrating trying to navigate what could affect my eyes. I don't produce enough tears and I have MGD. It's definitely an untapped market for skincare/cosmetics for dry eye people. I went a few years without having issues and then when I started getting better with my skincare routine and using sunscreen more frequently especially around the eyes I have gone down a deep hole of uncomfortable eyes. there's a whole list out there of ingredients we're supposed to stay away from. When I asked my dry eye specialist, he didn't have any recommendations on what to use. Just basically stay clear of anything. So the dermatologists won't recommend anything because they aren't eye specialist and eye specialists won't recommend anything because they aren't dermatologists. You can see where there is a major disconnect. And I can tell you using retinol (at all not just around the eyes) is definitely a hot topic in the dry eye communities to stay clear of! I don't put anything on my eyelids now. I'll use cleanser, but no moisturizer and no sunscreen. If I get a flare up because of a product, it pretty ruins my whole day. My eyes ache and then I start to get a pretty bad headache. Just overall it's such a headache and again super frustrating! Anyhow it would be a nice change to have dry eyes discussed more in skincare. :)
Using Cerave healing ointment to protect the skin around my eyes from other products and / or to maintain it moisturized has been a game changer. Maybe you should give it a try! Take care 🍀
I cannot use physical sunscreens on my face as they travel into the eye area. There are no eye lash serums I can use. I also beware of eye shadows that contain talc. Thank you Dr. Dray for mentioning the preservatives n eye drops as potential irritants. AND the trend to "tight line" with eyeliner is not healthy. I do put my tretinoin near my crows feet and am not overly cautious about applying my other serums and moisturizers around my eye area after I apply it.
@Schildr3 i don't know why someone would say a psychologist will help. Just a mean comment. I liked your comments. Its added to a great conversation. I'm the one who said we didn't need so much medical info. I reread that today and could not believe i said. I must be getting senile. ? Who knows?
Been a year since I rescued my dog and he still comes running when Dr.Dray starts talking. So cute. Fostering another dog so soon you will have another fur baby follower 💕💕
Thank you so so so much for covering this topic! I suffer from dry eye disease and put a barrier around my eyes to prevent my retinol from creeping up. If I could go back in time to my younger days, I would not have used eyeliner religiously, never would have used contacts regularly and I would have gotten my eyes checked by an opthalmologist every couple years.
@@confusedweeb6237 you can increase the dryness of your eyes - with contacts you tend to blink less, etc. more important is to get your eyes checked regularly. With the examinatiom, the professional can see early damage before it gets serious and before you experience symptoms.
I’ve been using tretinoin for over 14 years. I used to have dry crepey undereyes but Dr Dray’s recommendation of using a moisturizer with urea has been a game changer. I now use tretinoin up to my orbital bone and I have no dryness or crepy skin👍
I've been using Hamilton brand urea cream and it's amazing. And it's really inexpensive in Australia. Edit and its cruelty free. Great for my excema and roseacea. And helps with dry peeling skin from adapalene.
I'm so glad you made this video. I have been using adapalene since August 2021, and I have been putting it right under my eyes, on the crow's feet, and even a little on the upper eyelids where the crow's feet meet the eye. I've had absolutely no issue using adapalene there. No dryness, no irritation, nothing. So, I figured I could keep doing it, but I was always worried that I might be doing more harm than good, but now I feel better. THANK YOU!
If you have sensitive eyes DO NOT put vaseline below your eyes. Ive tried that. Even a smidge, tiny little layer always seems to seep into my eyes and i wake up with irritated eyes the next morning.
Great topic today. As someone who has been using Tretinoin since my early 20s for adult acne, I was advised by a very savvy dermatologist to never stop using it, only in pregnancy and nursing. I'm 63, abd do use it under my eyes, but not to my lash line. I have dry eyes from both aging and Sjogrens. I use Restasis and a preservative free saline eye drop and a gel at night. My ophthalmologist knows that I put the Tretinoin under my eyes and around my crows feet. She's fine with it. Aging definitely plays a big part in getting dry eyes. By the time I was in my 40s, I could no longer wear my contact lenses. But, I have very few wrinkles, and that's good enough for me. I think most people use too much Retin-A. A pea size amount is all that's needed. I follow up with a facial moisturizer and put it around my eyes as well. 😊💖
Me looking at your profile photo to catch a peep of what 40 years of tret looks like: 🧐👀 You are very beautiful! I have not used tret yet, no idea where to get it without insurance lol. But I have used retinol off and on for almost 18 years, and I do use it around the eyes as well. I also use eye drops. Will be switching to drops with methylcellulose specifically, from what I've researched, that's the best ingredient to avoid dry eyes. I learned the hard way, getting ret in my eye, which watered and spread lol. Thank you for your tip about using a pea sized amount.
Had you tried Castor oil for your dry eyes? It worked for me. I use it only at night. I rub it on my eyelash lid. You don't have to do it every night. I did it for a week. I had not done it again, but maybe is because I haven't had to be outside for a very long time.
Hi i just got told i had ssa and dont have dry eyes like i used to in my 30s. Was told chronic dry eye syndrome. I wish i could talk to u re symptoms cuz the reddit groups aren't really givin me answers nor 3 rheums!!! Oh ya and a neurologist!
Happy to finally hear a derm speak abt this. Ik its only anecdotal evidence but ive heard a few eye doctors speak about this n its definitely important info for people to make their own decisions about using it around the eye
I have been using Differin Gel for almost a year now. I started out just applying it to the face, but once I realized there was a market for retinol eye cream, I figured I’d just try out the Differin around the eyes. I use it both underneath my eyes and on my eyelids with no irritation.
I did two treatments of accutane at age 13 and then again at age 15, (7 months each) this has completely destroyed the oil glands in my eyes. Now every time I try to use retinol even if I completely avoid the eye area, use vaseline etc it still migrates into my eyes. I even tried using a sleep mask along with the vaseline and it moved during the night and my eyes were tomato red and painful for the next two days. Accutane is vitamin A and it disrupts oil production in the skin (and eyes) that's why it works for acne, retinol is essentially the same thing in topical form so even if there aren't any studies proving this I think it's safe to assume that if gets into your eyes it will disrupt the oil glands in your eyes as well ... I still have yet to find a way to use retinol without feeling like I poured tabasco sauce into my eyeballs, worst part about all of this is that I'm now 29 and I still have just as much acne as when I was a teenager, so now I've got the eyes of an 80 year old granny for basically no good reason ... Maybe I'm just unlucky but I thought I would share my personal experience anyway.
I have been using Retin-A .05 around my eyes for over 6 years almost daily and have had wonderful results with fine lines and have never experienced irritation or dry eyes. I am a 33 yr old male for reference
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser. I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser. Thanks.
I use adapalene gel 4-5x per week. I kept getting dry eyes until I learned to apply petroleum jelly on my lids first before apply on the adapalene. I used to apply adapalene directly onto my face after cleansing, and then apply a thick moisturizer; what I didn’t realize was that I was smearing some leftover adapalene from my fingers and face onto my lids. So lesson learned: apply petroleum to lids and moisture your neck first before applying adapalene!
I was in the market for a retinol eye product and I found RoC’s eye retinol was only $10 at dollar general while $20 at Walmart! I’m excited to try it out
I started to get dry and red eyes 4 months ago...when I bought my first bottle of retinol. I'm glad I figured it out, and could understand why by watching your video. Thank God I caught it on time.
I just bought a Korean eye cream called “Teen again eye cream” I love it it’s a peptide and retinol eye cream but obviously you can use it all over. Can you review some different anti aging eye creams or do a preventative anti ageing skincare routine for people entering their mid-late 20’s? Love you and your videos I hope you read this
I’ve been using The Ordinary’s retinol about three months now. My eyes were dry and irritated for a few weeks, but are fine now. The same for my skin around the eyes. I’m so glad I didn’t stop, because my skin is so much better! Both wrinkles and old scars from acne have improved a lot! Thank you so much Dr Dray!❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for the sharing!! I'm starting to use the retinol a few weeks ago. But seems that it is too harsh for my eyes. I'm adding a moisturizer to make it better for now. Oh, I'm using touchbeauty eye cream booster as well which would make my cream go twice as far. 😄
@@jenniferkwok2897 Yes, extra moisture is needed! I also changed my usual cleanser to Cerave’s hydrating cleanser. And the La Roche Posay’s uv-mune spf 50 in the day. The first spf that doesn’t burn my eyes😅👍🏻
I'm 26 and started using over the counter retinol on my face 1-2 times a week and got dry eyes 7 months later. I'm in good health, so I was sort of stumped what could have effected my vision so suddenly. Definitely going to steer clear of retinols! I guess I was naive because I was using it on my entire face and then I would wake up with vision problems. I'm glad I found (what I think is) the solution. ... Side note, I often wonder if these sorts of conditions effect women more because our use of makeups and harsh skincare products in general
Im glad that for the last almost 4 years Ive used tretinoin around the eyes, and nothing has happened besides the fine lines around the eyes disappeared 😍
I’ve been suffering from dry eyes for years, finally found a pared down skin care routine that doesn’t irritate my eyes at all thanks to your recommendations! Coppertone mineral kids tear free spf 50 sunscreen with tinted Cerave sunscreen on top to mitigate the white cast and Cerave pm at night - that’s it and my eyes finally feel good all day! Had been using a drugstore staple daily moisturizer with a chemical spf and retinols for years :-(
I have been using 1% retinol and retinaldehyde around my eyes for seven years and I've never experienced dry eyes. Sure, in the beginning there were the typical retinol side effects, but after they subsided I haven't had any issues neither on my skin nor in my eyeballs. For context, I do stare at screens all day, but I'm not a contacts wearer, I don't use eye drops and I'm only 37.
ever since i started using retinol eye creams i FEEL like my eyes have been dryer when i wear contacts (not that often). i read somewhere in the past that it thins your skin around your eyes as well. i’m not sure how accurate or what degree it is to, but i’ve been only using my retinol eye creams 2-3x a week. completely axing it out of my process led to milia and return of fine lines. Disclaimer: i wear contacts occasionally and part of my experience may have been placebo until this video. Dr Dray makes good points.
You're sensational! 🤩Thanks for the useful tips and info, it's helped me make wiser choices to help improve my skin significantly, and I am able to communicate my needs and concerns with my derm more clearly. You have such a radiant glow! 💫
Such a helpful video! I have been using a miniscule amount of trerinoin on my crows feet area on and off for 20 years. I've developed dry eye as I've aged and this video made me feel better ! I do have rosascea and this correlation is so interesting!
Dry eyes ? Uh didn't moisturize them maybe..mine are becoming saggy ..i m scared .. it is producing extra collagen maybe .. kindly if uh know something tell me
As someone with Sjogren’s Syndrome and hence dry eye disease this video was really interesting! Every night I use a vitamin a (retinol palmitate) ointment in my eyes which helps a lot with keeping my eyes moisturized. I will have to ask my optometrist next time I am at an appointment about topical use of retinol! Thanks!
This is confusing to me. If Retinyl palmitate is a retinol and there are so many recommendations not to use it under the eyes, or it will cause dry eye, it blows me away, that that same Products would be used in the eye to help dry eyes. This is so confusing and I wish something Dr Dray could address as I’m about to start tretinoin, and use a Mac eye cream that they just reformulated and added Retinyl Palmitate to, so I’m afraid to use it, but then, if that ingredient is put in an ointment to treat dry eye disease, it really leaves me stumped.
I developed blepharitis 3 months after starting tretinoin. It hasnt calmed down ever since and I've been having it for almost a year now. It sucks and no doctor has been able to help me so far :( I have tried every treatment possible
Try washing your eyelids every morning with a tiny amount of baby shampoo. While likely still present, this method will curb the blepharitus from getting worse. Every morning.
I've had issues with those meibomian glands most of my life. Warned several times by ophthalmologists who didn't tell me what to do about it. (Probably as a result of living in Florida - 'fungus among us'). Just 4 months ago I found out about a lid cleansing product ( Sterilid) that has hypocholorous acid in it. Eyelids feel much better and seems to have improved my dry eye problem. Fingers crossed. For people who purchase it, it smells like bleach but it does not irritate the eye.
This is a fascinating topic to me as “dry eye” issues popped up suddenly during pandemic when I started tretinoin. Overnight, my eyes became bright red. Since I’ve used only preservative free drops( after years of preservative contact lens drops) and I’m using your tip to put Vaseline or cerave ointment around my eyes at night. No doubt after slathering on my skincare, it migrates to my eyes during sleep. Thank you, for updating us. Btw, who is this, wearing lipgloss and eye liner?? Looks great.. 🌹
I can relate to your comment. When I placed cerave ointment around the eyes, the next morning eyes were terribly irritated. I was guessing from tretinoin or the ointment?
I have been using tretinoin 0.05 for 4 years now and apply it a bit lower than my eyebrow (avoiding my eye lid) and then down around my eye just below the lower lash line. It had made my fine lines disappear but the biggest difference for me was that my eyelids which started to droop a bit lifted back up completely. No side effects, bit of dryness in the beginning but that went away.
@@Ohkeh640 I use the 0.05 cream version so I don't use a moisturizer personally but I know some people need one. As for SPF I use Neutrogena Clear Face 50. I use the oil cleansing method using skin grade sweet almond oil to wash my face each night which helps keep my skin moisturized. I just wet my face then massage some of the oil into my face removing all makeup, I rinse with wanter and then I wet a clean gentle face cloth and gently wipe off any oily residue.
Before I started putting vaseline or Aquaphor around my eyes before retinol I had some of the retinol migrate to my eyelid and cause a painful burn there. So I am very careful now and always use the vaseline to make sure that doesn't happen. Another good video and lots of info, thanks!
Did you stop using tret at all for any period of time? Or did just switching to vaseline around the eyes help? Also, how long of using vaseline around the eyes until you noticed the dry eyes going away?
I have terribly dry eyes and I also use tretinoin on both my upper and lower eyelids (avoiding getting too terribly close to the waterline, of course!). In my case, my very dry eyes began years before my tretinoin use and I wouldn’t say it’s gotten worse from the tret, so I haven’t considered changing my routine. I feel lucky that my eyes have always tolerated tretinoin really well (neck is another story 😩), and my eyes are the area I feel most needs the anti-aging. For those who actually experience dry eye as a direct result of retinoid use, I imagine they should definitely consider the correlation because dry eye disease is truly MISERABLE.
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser. I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser. Thanks.
Thank you so much for addressing this. I have acne, rosacea and dry eye disease (meibomian gland dysfunction). Using tretinoin (even avoiding the eye area) seemed to make my symptoms worse. Differin is not as irritating and doesn't migrate as much around my face, so I tolerate it much better. I also took Accutane about 25 years ago which could have contributed to the development of dry eye disease for me. My opthamologist was not concerned about me using retinoid topicals, but warned against using Accutane. My current dermatologist recommended that I do Accutane again in my 40s but I likely won't due to the dry eye concerns associated with it. It's very unpleasant and my eyes are often red at work where the air is very dry, which makes me feel very self-conscious. As if acne and rosacea weren't bad enough!
Please look into balancing your hormones with healthy foods. Lots of water and exercise. Taking Omega 3 and good vitamin supplements are also beneficial
Thank you for this video! Not enough dermatologists are talking about dry eye! I was so confused when I developed mgd after using tretinoin - my eye Dr. didn’t know much about retinoids and I couldn’t find much good solid evidence in literature or anywhere online about the link. After watching this video I think the mgd may have had more to do with my hormones and other risk factors than the tretinoin. Looking forward to more research coming out about the topic. For now, I think I will resume using the tretinoin conservatively but only in the morning (I think it migrates more at night since I’m a side/ stomach sleeper) and with a Vaseline barrier. Thank you!
This was very informative I've stayed away from retinal eye creams exactly from the risks of dry eye concerns you always know what your viewers may be thinking 🤔
I have been using Neutrogena's eye cream with Retinol for about a year. Have had dry eyes for quite a while. They don't seem any worse, but maybe I should stop to be on safe side.
For years I thought I had dry eye disease. I’d wake up with horribly dry eyes every morning. Then one day at my annual eye exam the practitioner told me that I was not fully closing my eyes during the exam. I began squeezing my eyes shut at bedtime, and miracle of miracles--no more dry eyes early in the morning.
@DrDray Can tretinoin decrease fatty tissue in the face? I am hearing through different threads online that several people have supposedly seen research that it can affect the fat content on your face. Some anecdotal accounts have mentioned a great deal of fat loss in face (someone mentioned that this is supposedly why tretinoin is used to treat cellulite). Can you comment on this?
My dark circles were lilac before I started tretinoin, from bad blood flow I assume. Haven't noticed any more dry eyes, but I don't have a problem with that in the first place. My opinion is that people want a scapegoat, as usual. We have to remember that tretinoin has been used for more than 50 years. We should've seen a uprise in dry eye problems by now, even if it's something that's not really researched on. As medical archives are always there.
I would think it’s more likely that the skin was very thin around your eyes, making the underlying vascular tissue more visible? Now with tret your skin has thickened up, and made all that subdermal stuff less obvious.
I remember having puffy, flaky eyelids and dry eyes when using retinol initally. I am not sure why after taking a break my skin perfectly fine now when I use it, but I don't use it every day. I saw an ophthalmologist for a cleaning and eye drops but no link to the retinol but an additional eyelid cleaner after double cleansing makeup. It's better but I still have dry eyes, but I think it's my screen time that caused it. My derm on the other hand told me to stop the retinol but I've been slowly doing it again with no issues. I also was originally using it on the top of my eyelids which was not smart... idk why. I am certainly not doing that now. Just extra moisturizing in that area as Dr Dray has suggested 😊 So glad you made this video! Still a mystery, but an interesting correlation!
Dr Dray yes you are totally right! I developed dry eye syndrome for wearing contact lenses since I was a teen!, then I got worse 🙃 with lasik, then I want to start at least an eye cream otc with retinol in it, thanks again for this great 👍 vid!!!
Thank you, so much for this video. Is blindness from dry eye disease, a given result of hormones, contact lens, staring at screens, mites? Tretinoin seems to have contributed to my dry eyes. Definitely preservatives in drops makes dry eyes, drier. Dr. dianosed my eyes as dry eyes. I stopped years of contacts, stopped years of tretinoin close to my eye, use with olive oil, now, rest every 20 minutes of constant screen use...
Thank you. I'm a new user of Tretinoin and my eye Dr tells me I have dry eyes. I've been working hard to put CeraVe Healing Ointment on eye area before applying. Will continue to be careful....
Dr.Dray-my aesthetician reminded me that when I use retinol that I should be careful that it will fade any of the micro blading I’ve had done in recent years. Just an added precaution to use Vaseline, In this case, above & below the eyebrows.
I’m 21 and have been using prescription tretinoin for many years since my dermatologist suggested it for my severe, horrible acne. Now my acne is almost gone and I’m starting to use it for anti-aging purposes. I hope I can use it for a long time!
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser. I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser. Thanks.
Thank you for the video! I was about to ditch the Differin but now realise my dry eyes is probably due to too much screen time and age. Perfect timing, thank you 🙏
Really appreciate this as I’ve experienced this (after starting retinols a few months ago). I’ve been using Olay regenerist and avoiding the eye area and I still got extremely dry eyes (which I never had as a contact lens wearer). I’m extra careful now! It was quite scary. I had to start using eye drops.
Thank you so much for making a video on this topic which no one really talks about this.I have really high myopia and dry eyes. It does worsen my dry eyes I always wonder if it has something to do with it.
This is so cool because I have an oil based eye serum with retinol and was wondering if it was safe because the serum tends to migrate into my eyeballs. Thanks Dr. Dray! And no one mentioned dry eye at my last eye exam, but the exam prior it was mentioned…but I wasn’t using the serum back then. I think mine is lifestyle or hormonal/thyroid related…but I stopped using the serum…I am now using fervulic acid pads…not sure if that is any better.
I loved this video, as someone who has had dry eyes as a kid, ive been avoiding preservatives in eye drops and it needs to be highlighted that continuous use of most eye drops are bad for your eyes
I'm genuinely surprised that I didn't see any comments about oral intake of maqui berry for dry eyes. I had dry eyes in my late 40s and taking maqui powder resolved it. I didn't use retinol back then so I wonder how they would work together.
I was on differin for 4 years without issues. I then switched to tret and was on it for about a month before I started getting horribly dry eyes. I visited my optometrist and he gave me drops that I had to use 6 times a day. I had never had dry eyes and no risk factors. I randomly saw that it could be the tret so I discontinued using it. Almost immediately my dry eyes disappeared and I haven’t had an issue since. I’m back on differin and just don’t think tret is for me.
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I have been using tretinoin around my eyes last 3 years and never had any issue with dry eyes, dry/irritated skin or any other problems. I guess deep moisturising right after clensing and waiting with tretinoin until the skin is dry, fix the issue 😊
I use a retinaldehyde but always put an eye cream and or serum on first and never use on or around my eyes. Appreciate the info in this video! (All your videos!)
I stopped using tretinoin around my eyes because my eyes were very irritated. They were burning, very itchy, and extremely dry. My eyes feel much better now. I still have dry eyes to some degree but I don't have the symptoms that I did have. And I tested it to try it under my eyes just to make sure that was the culprit. And when I do that my symptoms act up again
Other resources for dry eyes/retinol are eye doctors like Eye Channel by Eye Surgeon Dr Audrey Tai, Ophthamologist; Shannon Wong, MD, Dr. Rupa Wong, Dr. EyeGuy, Optometrist; Doctor Eye Health, Eye School with Dr. D, Antonio the Optometrist (Australia), Good optometry morning: youtube eye doctor (Canada). Dr Alexis Stephens recommends not only using something like a petrolatum product on the lid but also the corners of the eyes, corners of nose, corners of lips, on the lips. The Budget Dermatologist has demonstrated how to use a retinol eye product around the eyes in her video, My Drugstore Anti-aging Skincare Routine | Step-by-Step with The Budget Dermatologist.
My opthalmologist says tretinoin can be absorbed from anywhere on the face and affect the meibomian glands causing dry eyes. I am hesitant to use it at all because of this possibility.
I ve been using retin A(stevia 0.05) for aroind 3 yrs, however I now only use it a couple of times a week.I don t have dry eye bit told by an optomotrist I have bilateral follicular conjunctavitis.Not sure how I got this but he told me we need to stop wering mascara.Thanx Andrea for your great informative channel 🙂
Ive had a certain degree of meibomian gland dysfunction for most of my life that's caused quite a few problems for me over the years. I used to get a lot of styes, and around 10 years ago had one that left me with a blockage on my lower right lid, which went mostly unnoticed until about a year later when it had turned into a chalazion and needed to be excised. That surgery was honestly one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, and unfortunately left me with scar tissue on about a quarter inch section of my inner lid, which has completely destroyed or severely limited the meibomian gland function in that area. My right eye has felt noticeably drier than my left eye ever since, and I have to use moisturizing eye drops most days. It's especially annoying since I wear contact lenses, and live in the dry Colorado climate. I actually started using a meibomian gland expresser tool, after applying a warm compress to my eyes, once every week or so to ensure that the glands are flowing/ help prevent future blockages, and it's made a big difference!
I LOVE when Dr Dray hearts my comments 🤗 lol, seriously though, anyone with persistent styes/chalazion/blocked meibomian glands... Talk to your doctor/opthalmologist or optometrist about your options! The opthalmologist that removed my chalazion recommended that I apply a warm compress "frequently" to prevent "excess material from calcifying," and I've had multiple optometrists/opthalmologists suggest trying a meibomian gland expresser tool (there are some that look like tweezers or forceps with a blunt end, and others that look flat, more like a popsicle stick... Both have their pros and cons), provided I use them with CAUTION, and both pieces of advice have made a HUGE difference in the comfort and appearance of my eyes, as well as seemingly in my tear film quality
@@alexisb76 please don’t do self/at-home meibomian gland expression. Better to ask a doctor abt it. You could mess your eyes up pretty bad very easily.
I think thats why my eyes are super dry the last two days. I just started using oil based retinol with 0,5 % concentration also around my eyes since thats were I also have fine lines but noticed that they get really dry. I dont talk about the skin but actually inside my eyes which I never had before. I will stop using it directly around my eyes, maybe replace it with a specific eye retinol, retinal which is milder and see if it gets better.
It's so great Dr Dray that you Talk about this subject in detail,cause there is so little info on youtoube about it, it's so much apretiated. I've used only till this day,cause of budget,the ordynary retinols, up to the 1% and i toletated perfectly around eyes. At first maybe a little redness in eyelids, nothing serious that didn't resolve just backing up a bit and mosturizing consistently ,i tolerate perfectly fine. I'm gonna try the geek and gorgeous retinal, very afordible too, and see how that goes..... Thanks lot!🌻🦋✨
Oh, I haven't watched yet but I sure hope it's still okay to use a little bit of the Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair under the eyes or around the eyes. You mentioned that in a video long ago and that's what I've been doing, no irritation! Hope you're having a great Tuesday, hope everyone is having a great Tuesday!😊 okay, I just finished watching and I've never had any irritation with the Neutrogena around the eyes and I don't go close to the Lash line at all and rarely put anything on the upper eyelids or actually I avoid the upper eyelids and maybe the skin above that I might put a little on it. I see my eye doctor yearly and actually have no problems with dry eyes that can't be explained like leaving the ceiling fan on all night blowing down on my face. I would be concerned about any effects it could have on vision, however.
You do amazing work with your videos. I hope you know how much you are appreciated, always so thankfully for people like you who share their knowledge and genuinely want to help and educate other people. ❤️
I use a retinoid around my eyes, and I have dry eye syndrome. I can’t say that the retinoid caused the dry eye issue, as I’m uncertain when I developed the problem in relation to when I started using retinoids around my eyes. I will say that I do have rosacea, which was diagnosed long after the dry eye syndrome started.
Dr Dray can you review the SOME BY MI retinal+retinol eye cream ,the Beauty of Joseon Retinal cream that has ribosomes in it and I can't remember which one but there's another k-beauty product which has retinol/al(sorry can't remember)+bakuchiol
"Getting older is really, really common." gave me a good chuckle!
I've been using retinol all over my face since the first big lockdown with no issues around the eyes.
Have you had a visit to ophthalmologist? Or have you just not felt any symptoms discussed. I'm always careful to avoid about everything near my eyes
Same her, never had any issues. Of course I try no to exagerrate with the amount, and don't put it into my eyes 😅
What tetinol do you use ?
I did. When I moved to 1% retinol, my skin tolerated it well, so I started using it around the eyes as well. Few months later, I'm having really really dry eyes and discomfort. Went to the ophthalmologist, chronic dry eye, and surface of the eye temporarily damaged. Said I needed to use eye drops for life.
Just as a precaution I stopped using the retinol around the eyes, and surprise surprise, my eyes are much better. The eye drops helped of course, but they are just a temporary fix, the effect only lasts some hours. And now, even if I don't use them, my eyes still aren't as dry as before.
I still would like to try again to use the retinol 😅 just out of curiosity, to make sure it really was causing my dry eye
Unfortunately for me, I used retinol cream around my eye and had an allergic reaction and puffy eyes immediately. It is not for everyone sadly 😢
Optometrist here 👋I appreciate the very unbiased take on this as I find dermatologists on social media typically err on the side of "there's no evidence that it affects meibomian glands/ dry eye, therefore it means you shouldn't worry about using retinoid around your eyes"
Some patients do find great relief when they stop using their retinoids/retinol products around their eyes (anecdotally), but there are other changes I would recommend first when it comes to cosmetics or skin care. I think far higher up on my list is to 1) never tightline the eyes, 2) practise good eyelid hygiene (e.g., hypochlorous acid sprays, using approved eyelid cleansers and always removing all your makeup) and 3) avoiding formaldehyde/formaldehyde derivatives and other ocular surface-irritating ingredients in cosmetics... to name a few.
You are right, my eyes have been very dry and itchy since i used tretinoin on my face.
I deeply deeply adore creators who put chapters up! Thank you for this thoughtful touch!
Agree!
I've been using topical retinol and tretinoin for around 3 years before i developed MGD. Ive used it near the eyes too, as I was obsessed with antiaging. At first i didnt even know where it came from, i didnt know the correlation as my simptoms affected mainly 1 eye. Mgd made me stop using contact lenses, I felt discomfort in any dry environment, it lead to depression... Please dont make the same mistake. Always protect the eyes, dont put retinols anywhere near the eyes if you dont have to. Fighting these little wrinkles is not worth putting our most precious sense organ into risk! Im a young female and a doctor, i wish the topic was discussed more.
What about eye cream with retinol? Should it be avoid too?
Thank you for your advice, that's saved my eyes. I was planning to put retinol gel under my eyes tonight!
Did you manage to cure it?
I made the same mistake. Im a young female and a doctor, sadly
Thank you for sharing your experience and putting it in perspective. Those little lines really aren't worth the risk.
can we just stop for a moment and admire how good Dr. Dray's communication skills are?? succinct and comprehensive at the same time!
I always appreciate reminders and hints regarding how to best use tretinoin.
thanks for watching
Dr Dray, I been watching ur vids on tretinoin. I have rosacea- very sensitive skin. Ugh. Is this safe for this skin type? Thanks for all your info. Have a great day!😊🌸
@@DrDrayzday is there anything that I can use instead of vaseline around the eyes before retinol ? Whenever I use vaseline there I get tiny white pimples that dont want to go away
@@Novemberrain111 dr dray has videos on retinol for sensitive skin, I suggest checking that out
@@ho-ry5uf use the sandwich technique, Moisturiser then retinol followed by Moisturiser again. This reduces irradiation.
Thank you for addressing this, I was really frustrated by all the videos about retinol around the eyes just repeating that it's totally okay for the SKIN around the eye - yes, but what about my actual EYES? The few opthalmologist videos on the topic are counseling against it and say the damage with long term use could be irreversible, so as much as I would love to, I decided not to use retinol in the eye area because I'd rather have wrinkles than suffer form dry eyes...
agreed ..it happened to me .. i did not apply close to my eyes but it is still happen to me ..i think it is better to avoid eyes areas
THANK YOU for this video. As a dry eye sufferer, it's been incredibly frustrating trying to navigate what could affect my eyes. I don't produce enough tears and I have MGD. It's definitely an untapped market for skincare/cosmetics for dry eye people. I went a few years without having issues and then when I started getting better with my skincare routine and using sunscreen more frequently especially around the eyes I have gone down a deep hole of uncomfortable eyes. there's a whole list out there of ingredients we're supposed to stay away from. When I asked my dry eye specialist, he didn't have any recommendations on what to use. Just basically stay clear of anything. So the dermatologists won't recommend anything because they aren't eye specialist and eye specialists won't recommend anything because they aren't dermatologists. You can see where there is a major disconnect. And I can tell you using retinol (at all not just around the eyes) is definitely a hot topic in the dry eye communities to stay clear of! I don't put anything on my eyelids now. I'll use cleanser, but no moisturizer and no sunscreen. If I get a flare up because of a product, it pretty ruins my whole day. My eyes ache and then I start to get a pretty bad headache. Just overall it's such a headache and again super frustrating! Anyhow it would be a nice change to have dry eyes discussed more in skincare. :)
Using Cerave healing ointment to protect the skin around my eyes from other products and / or to maintain it moisturized has been a game changer. Maybe you should give it a try! Take care 🍀
I cannot use physical sunscreens on my face as they travel into the eye area. There are no eye lash serums I can use. I also beware of eye shadows that contain talc. Thank you Dr. Dray for mentioning the preservatives n eye drops as potential irritants. AND the trend to "tight line" with eyeliner is not healthy. I do put my tretinoin near my crows feet and am not overly cautious about applying my other serums and moisturizers around my eye area after I apply it.
May be psychologist can help
@@milayalyuda1 how would a psychologist help?
@Schildr3 i don't know why someone would say a psychologist will help. Just a mean comment. I liked your comments. Its added to a great conversation. I'm the one who said we didn't need so much medical info. I reread that today and could not believe i said. I must be getting senile. ? Who knows?
Been a year since I rescued my dog and he still comes running when Dr.Dray starts talking. So cute. Fostering another dog so soon you will have another fur baby follower 💕💕
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@@nadab4750 it’s so cute. Only her. No other videos I watch haha
@@alyshal417 I'm curious, what type of dog to you have now... and do you know what type you will be getting?
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@@nadab4750 he is a Shitzu/Maltese mix. The foster coming is a mix too but what breed mix is still unclear.
Thank you so so so much for covering this topic! I suffer from dry eye disease and put a barrier around my eyes to prevent my retinol from creeping up. If I could go back in time to my younger days, I would not have used eyeliner religiously, never would have used contacts regularly and I would have gotten my eyes checked by an opthalmologist every couple years.
What’s wrong with wearing contacts regularly?
@@confusedweeb6237 you can increase the dryness of your eyes - with contacts you tend to blink less, etc. more important is to get your eyes checked regularly. With the examinatiom, the professional can see early damage before it gets serious and before you experience symptoms.
I’ve been using tretinoin for over 14 years. I used to have dry crepey undereyes but Dr Dray’s recommendation of using a moisturizer with urea has been a game changer. I now use tretinoin up to my orbital bone and I have no dryness or crepy skin👍
What brand of the cream with urea are u telling us?thanks
Please share your tried and true moisturizer with urea.
Can you share the name of the moisturizer? 😊
@@marvinjuliusmag-aso1137 I use either Sukoyaka Suhada Urea eye cream or Zeroid Urea Cream both recommended by Dr Dray.
I've been using Hamilton brand urea cream and it's amazing. And it's really inexpensive in Australia. Edit and its cruelty free. Great for my excema and roseacea. And helps with dry peeling skin from adapalene.
I'm so glad you made this video. I have been using adapalene since August 2021, and I have been putting it right under my eyes, on the crow's feet, and even a little on the upper eyelids where the crow's feet meet the eye. I've had absolutely no issue using adapalene there. No dryness, no irritation, nothing. So, I figured I could keep doing it, but I was always worried that I might be doing more harm than good, but now I feel better. THANK YOU!
If you have sensitive eyes DO NOT put vaseline below your eyes. Ive tried that. Even a smidge, tiny little layer always seems to seep into my eyes and i wake up with irritated eyes the next morning.
Been using Retin A around my eyes for years with no noticeable problems.
Same here.
the dry eye is something that occurs decades down the line - from what ive heard from eye doctors
@@jacpizi5316 I’m decades in. Lol
Dr dray Can you try dhc cleansing oil I heard that it's better than the hadalabo one an it's also a Japanese product
Me too
Great topic today. As someone who has been using Tretinoin since my early 20s for adult acne, I was advised by a very savvy dermatologist to never stop using it, only in pregnancy and nursing.
I'm 63, abd do use it under my eyes, but not to my lash line. I have dry eyes from both aging and Sjogrens. I use Restasis and a preservative free saline eye drop and a gel at night. My ophthalmologist knows that I put the Tretinoin under my eyes and around my crows feet. She's fine with it. Aging definitely plays a big part in getting dry eyes. By the time I was in my 40s, I could no longer wear my contact lenses. But, I have very few wrinkles, and that's good enough for me. I think most people use too much Retin-A. A pea size amount is all that's needed. I follow up with a facial moisturizer and put it around my eyes as well. 😊💖
Me looking at your profile photo to catch a peep of what 40 years of tret looks like: 🧐👀
You are very beautiful! I have not used tret yet, no idea where to get it without insurance lol. But I have used retinol off and on for almost 18 years, and I do use it around the eyes as well. I also use eye drops. Will be switching to drops with methylcellulose specifically, from what I've researched, that's the best ingredient to avoid dry eyes. I learned the hard way, getting ret in my eye, which watered and spread lol. Thank you for your tip about using a pea sized amount.
Had you tried Castor oil for your dry eyes? It worked for me. I use it only at night. I rub it on my eyelash lid. You don't have to do it every night. I did it for a week. I had not done it again, but maybe is because I haven't had to be outside for a very long time.
@@whale2207 I tried castor oil for my lashes, but it would inevitably get in my eyes and cause an oily film :(
Hi i just got told i had ssa and dont have dry eyes like i used to in my 30s. Was told chronic dry eye syndrome. I wish i could talk to u re symptoms cuz the reddit groups aren't really givin me answers nor 3 rheums!!! Oh ya and a neurologist!
@@corninyourpoop thank you so very much for your kind words. I very much appreciate them. ❤
Happy to finally hear a derm speak abt this. Ik its only anecdotal evidence but ive heard a few eye doctors speak about this n its definitely important info for people to make their own decisions about using it around the eye
I have been using Differin Gel for almost a year now. I started out just applying it to the face, but once I realized there was a market for retinol eye cream, I figured I’d just try out the Differin around the eyes. I use it both underneath my eyes and on my eyelids with no irritation.
omg really?? differin burns my eyelids sooo bad
I did two treatments of accutane at age 13 and then again at age 15, (7 months each) this has completely destroyed the oil glands in my eyes. Now every time I try to use retinol even if I completely avoid the eye area, use vaseline etc it still migrates into my eyes. I even tried using a sleep mask along with the vaseline and it moved during the night and my eyes were tomato red and painful for the next two days. Accutane is vitamin A and it disrupts oil production in the skin (and eyes) that's why it works for acne, retinol is essentially the same thing in topical form so even if there aren't any studies proving this I think it's safe to assume that if gets into your eyes it will disrupt the oil glands in your eyes as well ... I still have yet to find a way to use retinol without feeling like I poured tabasco sauce into my eyeballs, worst part about all of this is that I'm now 29 and I still have just as much acne as when I was a teenager, so now I've got the eyes of an 80 year old granny for basically no good reason ... Maybe I'm just unlucky but I thought I would share my personal experience anyway.
I have been using Retin-A .05 around my eyes for over 6 years almost daily and have had wonderful results with fine lines and have never experienced irritation or dry eyes. I am a 33 yr old male for reference
does this improve dark circle? ( the veinous one) or make it even worse? thanks
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser.
I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser.
Thanks.
She’s one of the most intelligent people I haver ever heard speak. She is GREAT, she knows WAY more than any of the dermatologists I’ve consulted.
Your skin is GLOWING Dr. Dray 🤲
I use adapalene gel 4-5x per week. I kept getting dry eyes until I learned to apply petroleum jelly on my lids first before apply on the adapalene. I used to apply adapalene directly onto my face after cleansing, and then apply a thick moisturizer; what I didn’t realize was that I was smearing some leftover adapalene from my fingers and face onto my lids. So lesson learned: apply petroleum to lids and moisture your neck first before applying adapalene!
I was in the market for a retinol eye product and I found RoC’s eye retinol was only $10 at dollar general while $20 at Walmart! I’m excited to try it out
Did you like it?
I started to get dry and red eyes 4 months ago...when I bought my first bottle of retinol. I'm glad I figured it out, and could understand why by watching your video. Thank God I caught it on time.
I just bought a Korean eye cream called “Teen again eye cream” I love it it’s a peptide and retinol eye cream but obviously you can use it all over.
Can you review some different anti aging eye creams or do a preventative anti ageing skincare routine for people entering their mid-late 20’s?
Love you and your videos I hope you read this
I’ve been using The Ordinary’s retinol about three months now. My eyes were dry and irritated for a few weeks, but are fine now. The same for my skin around the eyes. I’m so glad I didn’t stop, because my skin is so much better! Both wrinkles and old scars from acne have improved a lot! Thank you so much Dr Dray!❤️❤️❤️
@Sara sorry but pls may I ask which retinol from the ordinary are you using? Thank you
@@Ruby-ze5ii Yes, the 1% retinol in squalene.😊👍🏻
Thanks for the sharing!! I'm starting to use the retinol a few weeks ago. But seems that it is too harsh for my eyes. I'm adding a moisturizer to make it better for now. Oh, I'm using touchbeauty eye cream booster as well which would make my cream go twice as far. 😄
@@jenniferkwok2897 Yes, extra moisture is needed! I also changed my usual cleanser to Cerave’s hydrating cleanser. And the La Roche Posay’s uv-mune spf 50 in the day. The first spf that doesn’t burn my eyes😅👍🏻
@@Sara-ue6np Sounds great!! Already added the SPF to my list. 😁😁
I'm 26 and started using over the counter retinol on my face 1-2 times a week and got dry eyes 7 months later. I'm in good health, so I was sort of stumped what could have effected my vision so suddenly. Definitely going to steer clear of retinols! I guess I was naive because I was using it on my entire face and then I would wake up with vision problems. I'm glad I found (what I think is) the solution. ... Side note, I often wonder if these sorts of conditions effect women more because our use of makeups and harsh skincare products in general
What was your solution please? Or did you mean just avoiding retinols :D
I stopped using retinol products and my dry eyes went away and didn't come back. I'm sure now (months later) that retinols really affected my vision
Im glad that for the last almost 4 years Ive used tretinoin around the eyes, and nothing has happened besides the fine lines around the eyes disappeared 😍
Which brand do you use
@@keepingupwithlilly6591 same Dr dray had the Taro Tretinoin cream brand
which percentage did you use??
@@user-lc6bi9uu2z 0.1%
@keepingupwithlilly6591 the Taro tretinoin cream for the last 2 years, but ive used other Tretinoin brands before too
I’ve been suffering from dry eyes for years, finally found a pared down skin care routine that doesn’t irritate my eyes at all thanks to your recommendations! Coppertone mineral kids tear free spf 50 sunscreen with tinted Cerave sunscreen on top to mitigate the white cast and Cerave pm at night - that’s it and my eyes finally feel good all day! Had been using a drugstore staple daily moisturizer with a chemical spf and retinols for years :-(
I have been using 1% retinol and retinaldehyde around my eyes for seven years and I've never experienced dry eyes. Sure, in the beginning there were the typical retinol side effects, but after they subsided I haven't had any issues neither on my skin nor in my eyeballs. For context, I do stare at screens all day, but I'm not a contacts wearer, I don't use eye drops and I'm only 37.
Bro I’m in the same situation (staring at a screen for money). Can I use a retinol based eye cream/serum for my dark circles?
ever since i started using retinol eye creams i FEEL like my eyes have been dryer when i wear contacts (not that often). i read somewhere in the past that it thins your skin around your eyes as well. i’m not sure how accurate or what degree it is to, but i’ve been only using my retinol eye creams 2-3x a week. completely axing it out of my process led to milia and return of fine lines.
Disclaimer: i wear contacts occasionally and part of my experience may have been placebo until this video. Dr Dray makes good points.
You're sensational! 🤩Thanks for the useful tips and info, it's helped me make wiser choices to help improve my skin significantly, and I am able to communicate my needs and concerns with my derm more clearly. You have such a radiant glow! 💫
Such a helpful video! I have been using a miniscule amount of trerinoin on my crows feet area on and off for 20 years. I've developed dry eye as I've aged and this video made me feel better ! I do have rosascea and this correlation is so interesting!
Dry eyes ? Uh didn't moisturize them maybe..mine are becoming saggy ..i m scared .. it is producing extra collagen maybe .. kindly if uh know something tell me
As someone with Sjogren’s Syndrome and hence dry eye disease this video was really interesting! Every night I use a vitamin a (retinol palmitate) ointment in my eyes which helps a lot with keeping my eyes moisturized. I will have to ask my optometrist next time I am at an appointment about topical use of retinol! Thanks!
How do you get test for this syndrome?
@@Skinbodycarestyle I was diagnosed based on blood work!
This is confusing to me. If Retinyl palmitate is a retinol and there are so many recommendations not to use it under the eyes, or it will cause dry eye, it blows me away, that that same Products would be used in the eye to help dry eyes. This is so confusing and I wish something Dr Dray could address as I’m about to start tretinoin, and use a Mac eye cream that they just reformulated and added Retinyl Palmitate to, so I’m afraid to use it, but then, if that ingredient is put in an ointment to treat dry eye disease, it really leaves me stumped.
I developed blepharitis 3 months after starting tretinoin. It hasnt calmed down ever since and I've been having it for almost a year now. It sucks and no doctor has been able to help me so far :( I have tried every treatment possible
Try washing your eyelids every morning with a tiny amount of baby shampoo. While likely still present, this method will curb the blepharitus from getting worse. Every morning.
I've had issues with those meibomian glands most of my life. Warned several times by ophthalmologists who didn't tell me what to do about it. (Probably as a result of living in Florida - 'fungus among us'). Just 4 months ago I found out about a lid cleansing product ( Sterilid) that has hypocholorous acid in it. Eyelids feel much better and seems to have improved my dry eye problem. Fingers crossed.
For people who purchase it, it smells like bleach but it does not irritate the eye.
This is a fascinating topic to me as “dry eye” issues popped up suddenly during pandemic when I started tretinoin. Overnight, my eyes became bright red. Since I’ve used only preservative free drops( after years of preservative contact lens drops) and I’m using your tip to put Vaseline or cerave ointment around my eyes at night. No doubt after slathering on my skincare, it migrates to my eyes during sleep. Thank you, for updating us.
Btw, who is this, wearing lipgloss and eye liner?? Looks great.. 🌹
I can relate to your comment. When I placed cerave ointment around the eyes, the next morning eyes were terribly irritated. I was guessing from tretinoin or the ointment?
Did your eyes recover?
I have been using tretinoin 0.05 for 4 years now and apply it a bit lower than my eyebrow (avoiding my eye lid) and then down around my eye just below the lower lash line. It had made my fine lines disappear but the biggest difference for me was that my eyelids which started to droop a bit lifted back up completely. No side effects, bit of dryness in the beginning but that went away.
What moisturiser are you using
Before or after tret?
Also what spf under make up with no white cast that first pill
@@Ohkeh640 I use the 0.05 cream version so I don't use a moisturizer personally but I know some people need one. As for SPF I use Neutrogena Clear Face 50. I use the oil cleansing method using skin grade sweet almond oil to wash my face each night which helps keep my skin moisturized. I just wet my face then massage some of the oil into my face removing all makeup, I rinse with wanter and then I wet a clean gentle face cloth and gently wipe off any oily residue.
Same! I think I will continue using it for my eyes, no problems for 3 years so far😅
Before I started putting vaseline or Aquaphor around my eyes before retinol I had some of the retinol migrate to my eyelid and cause a painful burn there. So I am very careful now and always use the vaseline to make sure that doesn't happen. Another good video and lots of info, thanks!
Did you stop using tret at all for any period of time? Or did just switching to vaseline around the eyes help? Also, how long of using vaseline around the eyes until you noticed the dry eyes going away?
I have terribly dry eyes and I also use tretinoin on both my upper and lower eyelids (avoiding getting too terribly close to the waterline, of course!). In my case, my very dry eyes began years before my tretinoin use and I wouldn’t say it’s gotten worse from the tret, so I haven’t considered changing my routine. I feel lucky that my eyes have always tolerated tretinoin really well (neck is another story 😩), and my eyes are the area I feel most needs the anti-aging. For those who actually experience dry eye as a direct result of retinoid use, I imagine they should definitely consider the correlation because dry eye disease is truly MISERABLE.
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser.
I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser.
Thanks.
Thank you so much for addressing this. I have acne, rosacea and dry eye disease (meibomian gland dysfunction). Using tretinoin (even avoiding the eye area) seemed to make my symptoms worse. Differin is not as irritating and doesn't migrate as much around my face, so I tolerate it much better. I also took Accutane about 25 years ago which could have contributed to the development of dry eye disease for me. My opthamologist was not concerned about me using retinoid topicals, but warned against using Accutane. My current dermatologist recommended that I do Accutane again in my 40s but I likely won't due to the dry eye concerns associated with it. It's very unpleasant and my eyes are often red at work where the air is very dry, which makes me feel very self-conscious. As if acne and rosacea weren't bad enough!
Please look into balancing your hormones with healthy foods. Lots of water and exercise. Taking Omega 3 and good vitamin supplements are also beneficial
Dr. Dray, please make a video about using Tretinoin, Adapalen etc. On neck and on body stretch marks!! Thank you so much for your time!!
Thank you for this video! Not enough dermatologists are talking about dry eye! I was so confused when I developed mgd after using tretinoin - my eye Dr. didn’t know much about retinoids and I couldn’t find much good solid evidence in literature or anywhere online about the link. After watching this video I think the mgd may have had more to do with my hormones and other risk factors than the tretinoin. Looking forward to more research coming out about the topic. For now, I think I will resume using the tretinoin conservatively but only in the morning (I think it migrates more at night since I’m a side/ stomach sleeper) and with a Vaseline barrier. Thank you!
This was very informative I've stayed away from retinal eye creams exactly from the risks of dry eye concerns you always know what your viewers may be thinking 🤔
I have been using Neutrogena's eye cream with Retinol for about a year. Have had dry eyes for quite a while. They don't seem any worse, but maybe I should stop to be on safe side.
For years I thought I had dry eye disease. I’d wake up with horribly dry eyes every morning. Then one day at my annual eye exam the practitioner told me that I was not fully closing my eyes during the exam. I began squeezing my eyes shut at bedtime, and miracle of miracles--no more dry eyes early in the morning.
@DrDray Can tretinoin decrease fatty tissue in the face? I am hearing through different threads online that several people have supposedly seen research that it can affect the fat content on your face. Some anecdotal accounts have mentioned a great deal of fat loss in face (someone mentioned that this is supposedly why tretinoin is used to treat cellulite). Can you comment on this?
My dark circles were lilac before I started tretinoin, from bad blood flow I assume. Haven't noticed any more dry eyes, but I don't have a problem with that in the first place. My opinion is that people want a scapegoat, as usual.
We have to remember that tretinoin has been used for more than 50 years. We should've seen a uprise in dry eye problems by now, even if it's something that's not really researched on. As medical archives are always there.
I would think it’s more likely that
the skin was very thin around your eyes, making the underlying vascular tissue more visible? Now with tret your skin has thickened up, and made all that subdermal stuff less obvious.
Dr. Dray in literally every thumbnail ☝🏻😲
I remember having puffy, flaky eyelids and dry eyes when using retinol initally. I am not sure why after taking a break my skin perfectly fine now when I use it, but I don't use it every day. I saw an ophthalmologist for a cleaning and eye drops but no link to the retinol but an additional eyelid cleaner after double cleansing makeup. It's better but I still have dry eyes, but I think it's my screen time that caused it. My derm on the other hand told me to stop the retinol but I've been slowly doing it again with no issues. I also was originally using it on the top of my eyelids which was not smart... idk why. I am certainly not doing that now. Just extra moisturizing in that area as Dr Dray has suggested 😊 So glad you made this video! Still a mystery, but an interesting correlation!
Dr Dray yes you are totally right! I developed dry eye syndrome for wearing contact lenses since I was a teen!, then I got worse 🙃 with lasik, then I want to start at least an eye cream otc with retinol in it, thanks again for this great 👍 vid!!!
I love your skincare advice Dr Dray!!! ❤
My skin has improved significantly after following your tips...
thank you so much
Thank you for the information. Would it be possible to talk about coconut, argan, and castor oil on face skin? Hope to hear about this from you.
Great breakdown! I love learning about different risk factors for skin/health problems.
Thank you, so much for this video. Is blindness from dry eye disease, a given result of hormones, contact lens, staring at screens, mites? Tretinoin seems to have contributed to my dry eyes. Definitely preservatives in drops makes dry eyes, drier. Dr. dianosed my eyes as dry eyes. I stopped years of contacts, stopped years of tretinoin close to my eye, use with olive oil, now, rest every 20 minutes of constant screen use...
Thank you. I'm a new user of Tretinoin and my eye Dr tells me I have dry eyes. I've been working hard to put CeraVe Healing Ointment on eye area before applying. Will continue to be careful....
I use Avene retinaldehyde eye cream around my eyes at night. Haven’t had any issues. I would imagine things formulated for eyes are different.
Same here 😃
I use that one too and quite like it.
No don’t have that in australia
Thank you wonderful Dr Dray! I was hoping you would address this and you did! Thank you for listening! :)
You look so pretty! I love the makeup. Very natural but gives you some
extra dazzle
Dr.Dray-my aesthetician reminded me that when I use retinol that I should be careful that it will fade any of the micro blading I’ve had done in recent years. Just an added precaution to use Vaseline, In this case, above & below the eyebrows.
I’m 21 and have been using prescription tretinoin for many years since my dermatologist suggested it for my severe, horrible acne. Now my acne is almost gone and I’m starting to use it for anti-aging purposes. I hope I can use it for a long time!
Keep using it! You’ll have such beautiful skin!
What moisturiser do you use over top ?? As I’m getting milia under my eye. Third night using tret and cerave moisturiser.
I wait 30 min to apply tret after cleansing then 45 min later apply moisturiser.
Thanks.
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Are you using it every night
love your lipstick and eye make up, really brightens your face
Great video, I’ll benefit from being cautious because I already have age/computer dry eye.
Thanks a ton! 🌹
Someone give Dr Dray a daytime talk show IMMEDIATELY
Your video ideas are perfect and on point. I was just thinking about this topic.
thanks for watching
Such a helpful video. Was freaking out about Tretinoin possibly affecting my eyes. Thank you for setting the record straight!
One thing I've noticed is that Dr Dray hasn't aged a day in all the years I've been watching TH-cam, which proves she really knows her stuff!
Thank you for the video! I was about to ditch the Differin but now realise my dry eyes is probably due to too much screen time and age. Perfect timing, thank you 🙏
Really appreciate this as I’ve experienced this (after starting retinols a few months ago). I’ve been using Olay regenerist and avoiding the eye area and I still got extremely dry eyes (which I never had as a contact lens wearer). I’m extra careful now! It was quite scary. I had to start using eye drops.
I've had the same issue and too scared to use retinols altogether. Are you using retinol at all now?
Thank you so much for making a video on this topic which no one really talks about this.I have really high myopia and dry eyes. It does worsen my dry eyes I always wonder if it has something to do with it.
This is so cool because I have an oil based eye serum with retinol and was wondering if it was safe because the serum tends to migrate into my eyeballs. Thanks Dr. Dray! And no one mentioned dry eye at my last eye exam, but the exam prior it was mentioned…but I wasn’t using the serum back then. I think mine is lifestyle or hormonal/thyroid related…but I stopped using the serum…I am now using fervulic acid pads…not sure if that is any better.
I loved this video, as someone who has had dry eyes as a kid, ive been avoiding preservatives in eye drops and it needs to be highlighted that continuous use of most eye drops are bad for your eyes
is the continuous use of preservative-free drops okay? Been using mine for years now
I think you’re brilliant! Thank you for educating us.
I'm genuinely surprised that I didn't see any comments about oral intake of maqui berry for dry eyes. I had dry eyes in my late 40s and taking maqui powder resolved it. I didn't use retinol back then so I wonder how they would work together.
I was on differin for 4 years without issues. I then switched to tret and was on it for about a month before I started getting horribly dry eyes. I visited my optometrist and he gave me drops that I had to use 6 times a day. I had never had dry eyes and no risk factors. I randomly saw that it could be the tret so I discontinued using it. Almost immediately my dry eyes disappeared and I haven’t had an issue since. I’m back on differin and just don’t think tret is for me.
Perfectly explained - thank you
I had a young & handsome plumber come to fix my bathroom sink hot tap. He had already knocked down some of my skincare on a 2-tier stand. I then I had to clear out my skincare stash under the sink, so he could get to the pipe underneath. He could sense my embarrassment, but assured me his girffriend was the same! Little did he know there was even more squirreled away! Nothing broke thank goodness. Those Neutrogena glass jars sure do bounce on tiles!
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I have been using tretinoin around my eyes last 3 years and never had any issue with dry eyes, dry/irritated skin or any other problems. I guess deep moisturising right after clensing and waiting with tretinoin until the skin is dry, fix the issue 😊
I use a retinaldehyde but always put an eye cream and or serum on first and never use on or around my eyes. Appreciate the info in this video! (All your videos!)
I love your videos, Dr. Dray!!
They help me and I learn so much! Thank you for sharing❤️
I stopped using tretinoin around my eyes because my eyes were very irritated. They were burning, very itchy, and extremely dry. My eyes feel much better now. I still have dry eyes to some degree but I don't have the symptoms that I did have. And I tested it to try it under my eyes just to make sure that was the culprit. And when I do that my symptoms act up again
Thank you!! I’d just seen a popular TikTok about this and had questions! Particularly because they ended it trying to sell something 🙄
Other resources for dry eyes/retinol are eye doctors like Eye Channel by Eye Surgeon Dr Audrey Tai, Ophthamologist; Shannon Wong, MD, Dr. Rupa Wong, Dr. EyeGuy, Optometrist; Doctor Eye Health, Eye School with Dr. D, Antonio the Optometrist (Australia), Good optometry morning: youtube eye doctor (Canada). Dr Alexis Stephens recommends not only using something like a petrolatum product on the lid but also the corners of the eyes, corners of nose, corners of lips, on the lips. The Budget Dermatologist has demonstrated how to use a retinol eye product around the eyes in her video, My Drugstore Anti-aging Skincare Routine | Step-by-Step with The Budget Dermatologist.
I've been using retinol around my eyes for years and now using tretinoin 0.05 for a couple years, no issues
Happy Tuesday! I love the videos that talk about this topic around the eyes!
my new favorite TH-camr 😊 Thank you for sharing your knowledge Dr Dray
My opthalmologist says tretinoin can be absorbed from anywhere on the face and affect the meibomian glands causing dry eyes. I am hesitant to use it at all because of this possibility.
I ve been using retin A(stevia 0.05) for aroind 3 yrs, however I now only use it a couple of times a week.I don t have dry eye bit told by an optomotrist I have bilateral follicular conjunctavitis.Not sure how I got this but he told me we need to stop wering mascara.Thanx Andrea for your great informative channel 🙂
Ive had a certain degree of meibomian gland dysfunction for most of my life that's caused quite a few problems for me over the years. I used to get a lot of styes, and around 10 years ago had one that left me with a blockage on my lower right lid, which went mostly unnoticed until about a year later when it had turned into a chalazion and needed to be excised. That surgery was honestly one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, and unfortunately left me with scar tissue on about a quarter inch section of my inner lid, which has completely destroyed or severely limited the meibomian gland function in that area. My right eye has felt noticeably drier than my left eye ever since, and I have to use moisturizing eye drops most days. It's especially annoying since I wear contact lenses, and live in the dry Colorado climate. I actually started using a meibomian gland expresser tool, after applying a warm compress to my eyes, once every week or so to ensure that the glands are flowing/ help prevent future blockages, and it's made a big difference!
I LOVE when Dr Dray hearts my comments 🤗 lol, seriously though, anyone with persistent styes/chalazion/blocked meibomian glands... Talk to your doctor/opthalmologist or optometrist about your options! The opthalmologist that removed my chalazion recommended that I apply a warm compress "frequently" to prevent "excess material from calcifying," and I've had multiple optometrists/opthalmologists suggest trying a meibomian gland expresser tool (there are some that look like tweezers or forceps with a blunt end, and others that look flat, more like a popsicle stick... Both have their pros and cons), provided I use them with CAUTION, and both pieces of advice have made a HUGE difference in the comfort and appearance of my eyes, as well as seemingly in my tear film quality
I would love to know what kind of tool you’re using! I have major meibomian gland issues myself
@@alexisb76 please don’t do self/at-home meibomian gland expression. Better to ask a doctor abt it. You could mess your eyes up pretty bad very easily.
Amazing knowledge, doctor!
I think thats why my eyes are super dry the last two days. I just started using oil based retinol with 0,5 % concentration also around my eyes since thats were I also have fine lines but noticed that they get really dry. I dont talk about the skin but actually inside my eyes which I never had before. I will stop using it directly around my eyes, maybe replace it with a specific eye retinol, retinal which is milder and see if it gets better.
It's so great Dr Dray that you Talk about this subject in detail,cause there is so little info on youtoube about it, it's so much apretiated. I've used only till this day,cause of budget,the ordynary retinols, up to the 1% and i toletated perfectly around eyes. At first maybe a little redness in eyelids, nothing serious that didn't resolve just backing up a bit and mosturizing consistently ,i tolerate perfectly fine. I'm gonna try the geek and gorgeous retinal, very afordible too, and see how that goes..... Thanks lot!🌻🦋✨
Oh, I haven't watched yet but I sure hope it's still okay to use a little bit of the Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair under the eyes or around the eyes. You mentioned that in a video long ago and that's what I've been doing, no irritation! Hope you're having a great Tuesday, hope everyone is having a great Tuesday!😊 okay, I just finished watching and I've never had any irritation with the Neutrogena around the eyes and I don't go close to the Lash line at all and rarely put anything on the upper eyelids or actually I avoid the upper eyelids and maybe the skin above that I might put a little on it. I see my eye doctor yearly and actually have no problems with dry eyes that can't be explained like leaving the ceiling fan on all night blowing down on my face. I would be concerned about any effects it could have on vision, however.
I've used rapid wrinkle repair around my eyes 4x now and every following day my eyes are so irritated and itchy. Lesson learned now. Thanks
Happy Tuesday, Dr. Dray 🤍☀️😊🌸
Morning!
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Happy Tuesday Dr Dray! looking forward to watching this 😊❤️
Greetings Kerry Howarth hope u r well n Happy Tuesday😀👍💜….
thanks for watching
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Hey dr, it was a really helpful video for me as an optometrist 💗
You do amazing work with your videos. I hope you know how much you are appreciated, always so thankfully for people like you who share their knowledge and genuinely want to help and educate other people. ❤️
I just saw a Pinterest post from Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair Regenerating Cream with your image on it. Just wanted to make sure you are aware.
I use a retinoid around my eyes, and I have dry eye syndrome. I can’t say that the retinoid caused the dry eye issue, as I’m uncertain when I developed the problem in relation to when I started using retinoids around my eyes.
I will say that I do have rosacea, which was diagnosed long after the dry eye syndrome started.
Dr Dray can you review the SOME BY MI retinal+retinol eye cream ,the Beauty of Joseon Retinal cream that has ribosomes in it and I can't remember which one but there's another k-beauty product which has retinol/al(sorry can't remember)+bakuchiol
agree! please dr Dray!