Why didn't Misuken just take the normal route of constantly suuing people until they acknowledged his achievement. So much easier than digging through old VHS tapes.
@@TheTundraTerror Me too and we ended up flying my house to the top of a mountain and other adventures, like trying to get me gay married for some elaborate scheme! What a bunch of nogoodnicks.
The fact this guy had unintentionally held the longest standing Individual Level record for *any* N64 game is crazy. Makes me wonder how many other hidden champions there are.
Unironically - probably very few. It is just barely possible to individually discover as many timesaves as an entire community and then implement them as well or better than they do, while working on your own. I understand my speedgame is a bit more technical than most but even in the simplest games there are small optimizations that really need community interaction to learn. These things happen but they can't be common.
That's genuinely insane that he was better than an entire speedrunning community for 15 years, even with a suboptimal camera possibly causing extra lag. What an icon.
The guy used a vhs to record, not a camera, a vhs burns an image into the tape inside and plays it back like the first movie projectors to create an image... Overtime dust, temperature and moisture can degrade the quality and give you what we saw in video
@@shadowing507 they were talking about the camera position in the game... not being the closer in one, thereby making the game itself have to render more. has nothing to do with the recording method.
@@Darthtanos oops sorry, misunderstanding.. not familiar with the game i shouldve just kept my mouth shut. Thought it was a generational gap thing.. sorry op
As a dude in his early 30s who grew up on all these games, man am I glad I stumbled upon this channel. Inject that nostalgic goodness into my veins brother!
The magazine part does prove that he was capable of it in 1999. If he only presented the VHS tape, it could've been recorded today, the fact that he had old magazines with his name proves that he is likely not lying about the recording being from 1999.
@Dr.Quarex this right here is why the speed running community is a joke nowadays. Two sources of proof Ignores it continues to champion the new modern darlings.
To be fair, and as was mentioned in the video, magazine records prove literally nothing because they're more often than not just kids claiming fake times and getting them approved. While that doesn't necessarily means that all the times could be fake, like in this case, it goes to show that these scores alone don't really amount to anything of value.
@@TWLSpark That is my point, the scores are meaningless, but in this case they justify the claim that he got this recording in the 90s since it shows that he was active in the 90s, and they show his exact time.
@@Obi-WanKannabis Yeah I don't believe dumb shit like that sin e photos and videos were needed to submit that back then in a time when photo manipulation didn't exist.
Chameleon here. Current Rank #16 on Wave Race 64. We are always on the look for lost media. Always nice to see people covering our small but competitive commumity. Nice video Goose.
This put a legitimate smile on my face. These last few years have been really rough on the speed running community with all the cheaters and scandals happening lately. I'm not a speed runner myself, but i love watching people hit these amazing records. So to hear a story of someone claiming of setting and holding a record for a decade and a half is a bit of a bitter pill to swallow as a 1 in a thousand that does it. But to prove themselves? and at that, utterly destroying more than a decade of records? This man was a true legend.
I'm betting that there are way more of these cases than people think. There were tons of N64s out there with plenty of competitive people playing before the current age of speed running and online rankings.
Yep. A couple people recently shared 2 Mario kart shortcuts that they knew for years and years because they just assumed the speed running community had found them. Well the community hadn’t and they led to new world records.
Im sure there must be, I've watched Summoning Salt's videos about Mario Kart history, I was a kid in the 80s and we found several shortcuts that weren't "discovered" by speed runners until the 2000s. Watching those videos I was like "why aren't they taking the shortcut?" and then later in the video they find it. I wonder just how much knowledge was discovered by us original 80s gamers, then lost to history as we moved on to new games and has still yet to be re-discovered
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. In it's day a game like Wave Race was being played by hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of people. I'm sure the Wave Race speedrun community is thriving and all, but it's still a drop in the bucket comparted to the numbers of players back in the day. And given that Sunny Beach is the first track and is so short, that's a LOT more cumulative playthroughs than could ever be attempted by today's community. I bet more than a few good-not-great players might have even just stumbled into a top time now and again given the sheer numbers.
I'm pretty sure that there are many unknown champions out there, who just don't give a damn about recognition and were just players. Like... I remember when i was 15 and playing games like screamer all day, on some circuits, the laps were so perfect that i would run against the ghost car over and over concluding that there was no way to make it better. This was before i had internet and anyway, i never seeked to be part of any community... Heaven knows how many people secretly hold insane records and never gave a damn about it!
This video has everything: - Eliters - An Epic Unhoard - Getting cucked with 15,5 years of leeway - A newcomer blowing minds of established runners - RützouVision - Lost and found media - A longest standing untied - Lore And the best part: it's not even about GE or PD. What a cocktail!
@@observerf-03p.d39 Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark. Both are FPS games for the N64. Watch Goose's Speedlore episodes to learn a wealth of info about both.
The only thing missing for me is a summarized breakdown of the strategies used to achieve the time to showcase what Misuken used/found a decade before others implementing them. That would be awesome.
Dude that is unreal. How many times did the kids on the block lie? And this dude was legit, taping himself with a VHS recorder, while Bill Clinton was still president of the United States. What a gem, man. That video proof that he found just catapulted him to a new level of speedrunning history, having an untied record for like 15 years. That's CRAAAZY. And so while it's less likely with a game like Goldeneye, only because it was reviewed more stringently and frequently over the years due to being a game of such lasting value, it is nonetheless jaw-dropping and legendary. Thanks for bringing this story to us, this was a real treat Goose!
One hell of a video, Goose, nice work. Makes me feel better about still having all my old VHS recordings from 2003-2005, including a long Mario Kart 64 session with Boss when we were in college.
Just wanted to say thanks for what you do for the gaming community, You help people respect and possibly even pick up a game or two with your videos. Always great to see you putting out new content and I always look forward to their release. Thank you Goose
Remember having this WR tied with Whalls back in 1998 - I dont think Ive revisited the game in over 25 years...however its been fun to watch Illu stream - Also I see theres a Japan cart and not many US carts being used for the WR anyway...wonder what the difference is just in the use of different cart versions..definitely would be fun to play again - Nice video Ryan...David Wonn was a notorious glitch master (founded many secrets within the speed running n64 games) which he doesnt get much recognition today however he was a huge lure of a player in his day...
No way man. I watched your wave race video yesterday and I searched your channel this morning for more wave race content. The timing on this video is unreal. Don't get me wrong I love goldeneye as much as the next guy but anything pilot wings/wave race/1080 related is absolute peak cozy video material. Keep it up
this guy legit had the experience every 90s gamer could dream of 🤣 loving and speedrunning a game, to finding out 2 decades later that you held a world record, to actually being able to prove it and get the acknowledgement you deserve. crazy to think how different the speedrunning "lore" would've been if he got it published back then 🤔
Hidden records shouldn't be acknowledged. It's dumb You didn't submit the during the time. Actual record hoders wouldnt acknoledge these people. And no way of telling if they are lieing.
Man I remember the Drake Lake course in this game was amazing to me. I always wanted to go to a lake like that in real life. It was just so peaceful and pretty and the fog was so atmospheric. The N64 had a lot of games with a 'fog' effect like that, and it made so many areas seem mysterious and atmospheric. I miss that.
There is something about the graphics on the N64 and PS1 that can't be matched today. Like they did neon and light particles floating through the air really well. I think the roughness required by the limitations of the systems add to the atmosphere of the games.
My man, those lakes truly exist if you know where to look. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Canada. They are ABSOLUTELY as fun to jetski on as they look, too. I never knew how truly blessed I was to grow up where I did until I learned that most people don't have myriad of undeveloped lakes near them. If you ever get the chance, absolutely take the time to vacation in a wooded lake area. Even if the lake is partially developed, there's a good chance a part of the lakeshore will be beautiful and untamed.
It was 1996. I was just forced to move from my home town of San Diego to Las Vegas. An uprooted moody AF teenager who just hit puberty, I was not happy about this at all. My parent got me a Nintendo 64 and it was the first and only Nintendo I had growing up. Wave Race was the first game I got to experience. It was gloriously impressive. The graphics, to me at the time, were real enough that my mom caught be leaning my body with the rider as I was playing. Loved this game so much! Thanks for this video.
I watch several channels about speedruns, about old records and their improvement. You understand very well us - retired players who spent so much time breaking strange records in old, forgotten games. I always get a feeling of nostalgia and longing for those times after your videos.
I think there are a ton of world records out there that are not "official". It was crazy enough that this guy happened to be recording, happened to save it, and happened to still have it. I've done a lot of amazing things in games and I never record. I just say that was cool and move on.
interesting to see the "fake" scores from the UK magazine, i used to submit scores back then and would have been in the issues shortly after the one pictured - and to be "confirmed" you needed to submit photographic evidence - which for the time was usually just a regular camera film photo off your tv....so very hard to fake.
This video brought back so many memories for me. I remember me and my brother getting this game and cruising usa as a gift from our grandmother when we were 12 years old. We didn't even own an N64. She thought they were SNES games when she bought them and mailed them to us. (lol old people) She couldn't afford to buy us the console too once we told her what she did so we spent months saving every penny we could to buy an N64. We grew up really poor so this was hard for us to do. But when we finally got enough money for it, finally getting to play this game instead of just looking at the cartridge was the best feeling ever. I wish I knew how my brother's times in this game compared to the runners of today because for years after I got bored with the game, he would play this game all the time just trying to lower his times on maps. He died a few years back so even if he would remember, I couldn't even ask him.
What a story. Thanks for sharing these memories. I can really picture just "looking" at the cartridge, anticipating playing it someday. Glad you got to enjoy it so much.
I hope David Wonn is doing well these days. Back in the late 90s, early 2000s, I helped him with his game speedrun/glitch website. Really unique and cool guy. Haven't heard from him in nearly 20 years.
Imagine Chris Murphy pops up with a video of his 1'02"694 now. :) (The very fact that they're apparently playing on the NTSC version is kind of interesting; it wouldn't exactly be trivial to have an NTSC console and TV in the UK then).
oh wow cant believe this game popped up in my recommended. I actually test played this game. The devs or western branch or something did a bunch of interviews in texas and I got accepted. got like 20 dollars and got to play the game for a while before it came out and give my thoughts. They ended up hiring one of us 10 kids i think. Thinking back on it, that was a lucky kid.
actual God Gamer of his time, i would love to see more hidden gems like this, just imagine the whole reason this was discovered was because the guy didnt even knew that people still play the game competitive.
"Hay - ya - teh". The Japanese surname "Hayate" pronounces the 'e' on the end. All Japanese consonants ALWAYS have a vowel sound immediately after, EXCEPT SOMETIMES "N". Now, that doesn't mean that speakers will voice the ending vowels all the time, just like you might leave off the "-g" when you go "drivin".
A lot of us were doing crazy stuff on our games in the 90s, and early 00s even, and had no idea the competition went beyond our own console best times, or cool tricks we found out playing so much.
Ugh. I wish I had video footage of it. Many years ago when I was probably 12-13 years old I grinded Australia on Cruis'n World N64. Nintendo magazine or whatever was having a competition and people could submit times with a screen shot of the finish screen. To this day I know that I hold the best time I've ever seen. After all the trick time reductions were calculated into the time it came in at ~15.00 seconds. Like 11 seconds faster than the closest thing I have seen on TG. I have no reason to make this up and as a kid I just didn't know how to submit a picture to a magazine.
12:02 "Despite it showing as confirmed on the page, this time is almost certainly fake." How do you make a 20 minute video about how nobody believed a guy with 1.03 until he proved it twenty years later, whilst also dismissing another record as fake without any proof. Isn't the moral of the video don't assume a run is fake because you or people you know couldn't do it?
Rendering less is faster, but you have to imagine for such a tight, optimized run having a better awareness of your positioning and lines isn't trivial, especially when it took as long as it did for those playing with an optimal camera to catch up. Food for thought.
as a michigan smash contemporary of the man himself, i always love hearing a good retelling of some quality shibbypod lore. nother great goose vid for my morning coffee sesh.
9:06 THANK YOU so much for the photosensitivity warning. Sadly, not a lot of people think about those of us who suffer from photosensitivities. Personally, rapidly flashing lights can cause me sharp physical pain. However, most people still only think photosensitivity is a form of epilepsy, so I am often disregarded. Thanks for looking out for us ^_^
'He played a wider view causing the game to have to render more.... compared to today and the time he could have saved with knowledge' Does the lag slow the ingame clock though? Or does it simply slow the player's performance? If it impacts the clock then maybe there is an advantage if the record is recorded with ingame time vs real time. I have never played this game, I'm asking out curiosity mostly.
Many racing games use two different "clocks" to dictate how things work. You have the one for the controls of the game and the other for the clock. This is so used in many ways and some practices have changed over the years with improving technologies and learning what the best practices should be. For the N64, like many older systems, it was more common to use the game rate as the clock for the controls; usually for slow games this is fine, and many old racing games are slow. So if frames need more time, the the player input would be based on where the player is at that moment. To assist with performance, the clock would use real time to figure out what to show but it was just displaying a result given at the time the frame was being rendered. This is very useful to do when you have to consider PAL using 59hz and NTSC using 60hz screen refresh rates. If the clock was being based off fps, the PAL version would be going time at a slower rate due to the missing frame. Tl;Dr: the clock uses real world clock because a clock based on frames would have issues because tvs ran at different speeds, but the player controls based on current frame and there will be no skipping of frames, regardless of how long they take to load and the real world clock just keeps chugging along.
Remarkable occurrence and lovely presentation, Goose! I have to say that I absolutely delight in your word choice/vocabulary that you use for your videos
When I saw your video in my feed, it brought me straight back to 9yr old me discovering my stepdad’s stash of N64 cartridges… WaveRace, PilotWings, LoZ Majora’s Mask, Mario Kart 64… My stepdad’s sibling group still get together for a round of Kart 64 on the old console with a penny rattling around in it.
Honestly I think Waverace is one of the most underrated games. It was my sisters choice for the n64 game per year my mom would buy and we had SO much fun with it as kids. Awesome to see how people still want to keep all these games alive
@@GamerFolklore It makes you wonder. What if the tape degraded just a little differently and it didn't meet proof standards, but was clear enough that people generally believed it to be real
I love how at 0:38 we get an AI pic of two strangers we definitely do not know in any shape or form and they are not recognizable in any way. Seeing those comments from over a decade ago is why I feel data preservation is so important. It might just be data for most people but being able to search up stuff like that is like opening a time capsule. The fact that I can still go right now and watch Jesse Cox and TotalBiscuit's Terraria series is just amazing to me.
@@fade2black001 Karl covers more broader speedrunning topics and lots of current day big speedrunning history while Goose is more niche. No need to compare two legends who speedran the same games and are actual friends.
I used to get really good times on this game but never posted them. Just did it for a PB thing. Still have my old n64 and games, I’m curious to know how good those times really were.
I speedrun all games for 950'000hours and got 529'000 wr's in each game. But in all honesty things like this makes me wonder how many wrs we missed out on.
I kinda always assume for any game, but especially older ones, that w/e run has an officially recognized world record has already long been crushed by someone completely unaware or uninterested in the wider community and is simply obsessed with perfecting _this_ game and never bothered to record and share (or even time) their runs 🤷
Since this game's ILs are using IGT, would the lag from the camera perspective have any impact other than perhaps the player's performance? Idk anything about Wave Race 64 but unless the timer runs on a separate clock from the rest of the game, I imagine if the game lags, the timer would lag too. This is a problem in a lot of other games where they're measured by RT instead of IGT (think Mario 64), but in this case I imagine the player was just used to playing this way. Someone let me know if there is something more to this that I'm missing.
In a way, it doesn't surprise me that unclaimed times from the 90s are recently resurfacing. The Web was a much smaller community back then, and not everyone had access yet. For those of us fortunate enough to be online during those times, it probably seems inconceivable that a Net Search for something as simple as "Mario Kart" would yield fewer than 30 results, most of which led to fan sites circa 1996. Kudos on this "lost" finding.
This is the type of “what if scenario” we all fantasize about for our speed games, along with “what if some random person knows a speedrunning skip the community doesn’t and either isn’t aware of the community or just assumes we already know about it (this actually happened in MK64 with the RR red shell skip as many people know)?” It’s so satisfying to see that fantasy realized on such a hilariously large scale, resulting in the longest IL WR in N64 history. Thank you always for your superior N64 wisdom, Goose.
I love that during the last lap the degradation spikes compared to lap 2, I'm pretty sure Misuken themself played that lap over and over back in the day thinking to themself "holy shit, I actually did that?".
Managed to get Knights of the Round in Final Fantasy 7 in 14 hours back around '99 or '00; Midgar only took 2 hours instead of the usual 4 and I got VERY lucky with breeding a gold chocobo. Once you have KotR you've basically finished the game; a quick run through the North Crater then a few minutes of hitting Sephiroth with KotR, done. Being the era that it was I don't have footage (and my time has been surpassed several times anyway). I'm sure I still have the save file on a memory card that's in the depths of a box containing my PS2 somewhere.
Playing "Gravel" on the XBone years ago I realized I could wall ride a section of one of the tracks for a #1 leaderboard time trial time so I picked a car nobody else in the top 10 had used (Fiesta ST Rally car) and took the top spot. I watched for months as people all assumed the car was the difference and tried and tried to beat me time with that same vehicle. It was still at the top of the pole when I stopped caring and checking on it.
thanks for the warning I put on my eye patch as my left eye is very damaged and could watch the video without issues or risk of seizure because of your courteous warning, thank you I truly love people like you who go that extra mile so as not to harm people like myself
@@GamerFolklore well the others are simply wrong because of your warning I was able to enjoy this video without a migraine or worse so thank you for thinking of us photosensitive people, we appreciate anyone who looks out for us.
Why didn't Misuken just take the normal route of constantly suuing people until they acknowledged his achievement. So much easier than digging through old VHS tapes.
Lawyers can be pretty expensive. But I wonder what a new VCR costs these days?
@@MofoMan2000 Just don't try and get one repaired! I know these two guys who repair them and I've been wait for 12 years for them to finish!
@@TheTundraTerrorI think they got scammed. Lol
@@MofoMan2000haha😂 not much
@@TheTundraTerror Me too and we ended up flying my house to the top of a mountain and other adventures, like trying to get me gay married for some elaborate scheme! What a bunch of nogoodnicks.
The fact this guy had unintentionally held the longest standing Individual Level record for *any* N64 game is crazy. Makes me wonder how many other hidden champions there are.
None
Nah but I do find it unlikely. But always cool instances like that
Isai (malva00) had some IL world record in board the platforms for smash 64 that lasted from somewhere between 04-07 to 2018 !
Unironically - probably very few. It is just barely possible to individually discover as many timesaves as an entire community and then implement them as well or better than they do, while working on your own. I understand my speedgame is a bit more technical than most but even in the simplest games there are small optimizations that really need community interaction to learn.
These things happen but they can't be common.
@@Purlypurlington probably a bunch of "hidden champions" exist, but i'm sure very few have any lasting proof of it
This is the exact opposite of those "Cheater exposed after 10+ years" videos and I'm all for it, very heartwarming news.
Seeing 24 years ago on the leaderboards really puts in perspective how insane this is. Incredible video, love this type of content!
That's genuinely insane that he was better than an entire speedrunning community for 15 years, even with a suboptimal camera possibly causing extra lag. What an icon.
Camera?
@@OatmealTheCrazy FOV
The guy used a vhs to record, not a camera, a vhs burns an image into the tape inside and plays it back like the first movie projectors to create an image... Overtime dust, temperature and moisture can degrade the quality and give you what we saw in video
@@shadowing507 they were talking about the camera position in the game... not being the closer in one, thereby making the game itself have to render more. has nothing to do with the recording method.
@@Darthtanos oops sorry, misunderstanding.. not familiar with the game i shouldve just kept my mouth shut. Thought it was a generational gap thing.. sorry op
17:11 That list of rankings is so awesome. Everyone else is relatively recent, and then there is Misuken with that astonishing "24 years ago"! XD
As a dude in his early 30s who grew up on all these games, man am I glad I stumbled upon this channel. Inject that nostalgic goodness into my veins brother!
Welcome!
As someone who started with the Genesis and went on to N64 and a limited PS1, I feel ya there.
The magazine part does prove that he was capable of it in 1999. If he only presented the VHS tape, it could've been recorded today, the fact that he had old magazines with his name proves that he is likely not lying about the recording being from 1999.
@Dr.Quarex this right here is why the speed running community is a joke nowadays. Two sources of proof Ignores it continues to champion the new modern darlings.
@Dr.Quarexyeah, it would be Insane to claim a fake time in 1999 and then match the exact fake time 18 years later
To be fair, and as was mentioned in the video, magazine records prove literally nothing because they're more often than not just kids claiming fake times and getting them approved. While that doesn't necessarily means that all the times could be fake, like in this case, it goes to show that these scores alone don't really amount to anything of value.
@@TWLSpark That is my point, the scores are meaningless, but in this case they justify the claim that he got this recording in the 90s since it shows that he was active in the 90s, and they show his exact time.
@@Obi-WanKannabis Yeah I don't believe dumb shit like that sin e photos and videos were needed to submit that back then in a time when photo manipulation didn't exist.
I cannot believe it actually just keeps happening
It's truly remarkable
It really does
Well my friends
lets a go
Murphy's law; it just has got to happen.. 😮😅
Chameleon here. Current Rank #16 on Wave Race 64. We are always on the look for lost media. Always nice to see people covering our small but competitive commumity. Nice video Goose.
This put a legitimate smile on my face. These last few years have been really rough on the speed running community with all the cheaters and scandals happening lately. I'm not a speed runner myself, but i love watching people hit these amazing records.
So to hear a story of someone claiming of setting and holding a record for a decade and a half is a bit of a bitter pill to swallow as a 1 in a thousand that does it. But to prove themselves? and at that, utterly destroying more than a decade of records? This man was a true legend.
I hope 12:20 Chris Murphy sees this and goes "Oh hell no I have that on tape" and brings it out in to the world hahaha
I would also love to know how these records were “confirmed.”
@@cjmedina5661I mean records from 25 years ago were probably verified by asking “Is this real?”
Polaroids were the go to for proof back then
Chris Murph needs to deliver the evidence asap! 😂
@@josephmother2659paired with a small -bribe- donation
I'm betting that there are way more of these cases than people think. There were tons of N64s out there with plenty of competitive people playing before the current age of speed running and online rankings.
Yep. A couple people recently shared 2 Mario kart shortcuts that they knew for years and years because they just assumed the speed running community had found them. Well the community hadn’t and they led to new world records.
Im sure there must be, I've watched Summoning Salt's videos about Mario Kart history, I was a kid in the 80s and we found several shortcuts that weren't "discovered" by speed runners until the 2000s. Watching those videos I was like "why aren't they taking the shortcut?" and then later in the video they find it. I wonder just how much knowledge was discovered by us original 80s gamers, then lost to history as we moved on to new games and has still yet to be re-discovered
@@Purriahwhich shortcuts? Is there a video
@DanielTojcic I think it's mario 64 rainbow road red shell shortcut and another one I forgot
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking. In it's day a game like Wave Race was being played by hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of people. I'm sure the Wave Race speedrun community is thriving and all, but it's still a drop in the bucket comparted to the numbers of players back in the day. And given that Sunny Beach is the first track and is so short, that's a LOT more cumulative playthroughs than could ever be attempted by today's community. I bet more than a few good-not-great players might have even just stumbled into a top time now and again given the sheer numbers.
I'm pretty sure that there are many unknown champions out there, who just don't give a damn about recognition and were just players. Like... I remember when i was 15 and playing games like screamer all day, on some circuits, the laps were so perfect that i would run against the ghost car over and over concluding that there was no way to make it better. This was before i had internet and anyway, i never seeked to be part of any community... Heaven knows how many people secretly hold insane records and never gave a damn about it!
Absolutely crazy that a 24 year old record is still 14th. Truly a speedrun ahead of its time
TBF he did sit down for a whole session of attempts and recorded it. Guy was dedicated.
@@BodywiseMustard he recorded it so he could submit to the magazine presumably
This video has everything:
- Eliters
- An Epic Unhoard
- Getting cucked with 15,5 years of leeway
- A newcomer blowing minds of established runners
- RützouVision
- Lost and found media
- A longest standing untied
- Lore
And the best part: it's not even about GE or PD. What a cocktail!
Who's GE and PD? New here.
@@observerf-03p.d39 Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark. Both are FPS games for the N64. Watch Goose's Speedlore episodes to learn a wealth of info about both.
@@observerf-03p.d39 brother if you aren't trolling, GE is Golden Eye 64 and PD is Perfect Dark.
@@vietnamsemonky4082 OHHH my bad.
The only thing missing for me is a summarized breakdown of the strategies used to achieve the time to showcase what Misuken used/found a decade before others implementing them. That would be awesome.
Dude that is unreal. How many times did the kids on the block lie? And this dude was legit, taping himself with a VHS recorder, while Bill Clinton was still president of the United States. What a gem, man. That video proof that he found just catapulted him to a new level of speedrunning history, having an untied record for like 15 years. That's CRAAAZY. And so while it's less likely with a game like Goldeneye, only because it was reviewed more stringently and frequently over the years due to being a game of such lasting value, it is nonetheless jaw-dropping and legendary. Thanks for bringing this story to us, this was a real treat Goose!
A VHS recorder is called a VCR
Typical American to use presidents as a reference point when talking about someone who is not American and has no association to America.
@@ootdega Guess what the R stands for genius.
One hell of a video, Goose, nice work. Makes me feel better about still having all my old VHS recordings from 2003-2005, including a long Mario Kart 64 session with Boss when we were in college.
That sounds incredible! I hope it makes it online someday (if it's not already).
Seeing "24 Years Ago" on that leaderboard is nuts. Guy's a legend.
Wow, Misuken, what an absolute legend. A 15 year untied world record.
Just wanted to say thanks for what you do for the gaming community, You help people respect and possibly even pick up a game or two with your videos. Always great to see you putting out new content and I always look forward to their release. Thank you Goose
Remember having this WR tied with Whalls back in 1998 - I dont think Ive revisited the game in over 25 years...however its been fun to watch Illu stream - Also I see theres a Japan cart and not many US carts being used for the WR anyway...wonder what the difference is just in the use of different cart versions..definitely would be fun to play again - Nice video Ryan...David Wonn was a notorious glitch master (founded many secrets within the speed running n64 games) which he doesnt get much recognition today however he was a huge lure of a player in his day...
No way man. I watched your wave race video yesterday and I searched your channel this morning for more wave race content. The timing on this video is unreal. Don't get me wrong I love goldeneye as much as the next guy but anything pilot wings/wave race/1080 related is absolute peak cozy video material. Keep it up
I love synchronicity like this! Glad to give you the video you were hoping for!
this guy legit had the experience every 90s gamer could dream of 🤣 loving and speedrunning a game, to finding out 2 decades later that you held a world record, to actually being able to prove it and get the acknowledgement you deserve. crazy to think how different the speedrunning "lore" would've been if he got it published back then 🤔
This might be my favorite of these videos so far just for how wild it is. There's a weird magic to those "hidden records."
Hidden records shouldn't be acknowledged. It's dumb You didn't submit the during the time. Actual record hoders wouldnt acknoledge these people. And no way of telling if they are lieing.
I swear to god Ryan Lockwood is like the speedrunner equivalent of Kilroy was Here. He just appears seemingly everywhere, when you least expect him
him and matt turk
I love when Goose uploads, it's always an interesting watch and so well done.
Man I remember the Drake Lake course in this game was amazing to me. I always wanted to go to a lake like that in real life. It was just so peaceful and pretty and the fog was so atmospheric. The N64 had a lot of games with a 'fog' effect like that, and it made so many areas seem mysterious and atmospheric. I miss that.
A great example of limitations like render distance adding to creativity.
ah yes, the beautiful Superman 64
There is something about the graphics on the N64 and PS1 that can't be matched today. Like they did neon and light particles floating through the air really well. I think the roughness required by the limitations of the systems add to the atmosphere of the games.
It was beautiful until you slammed into one of those wooden poles 😂
My man, those lakes truly exist if you know where to look. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Canada. They are ABSOLUTELY as fun to jetski on as they look, too. I never knew how truly blessed I was to grow up where I did until I learned that most people don't have myriad of undeveloped lakes near them.
If you ever get the chance, absolutely take the time to vacation in a wooded lake area. Even if the lake is partially developed, there's a good chance a part of the lakeshore will be beautiful and untamed.
It was 1996. I was just forced to move from my home town of San Diego to Las Vegas. An uprooted moody AF teenager who just hit puberty, I was not happy about this at all. My parent got me a Nintendo 64 and it was the first and only Nintendo I had growing up. Wave Race was the first game I got to experience. It was gloriously impressive. The graphics, to me at the time, were real enough that my mom caught be leaning my body with the rider as I was playing. Loved this game so much! Thanks for this video.
I watch several channels about speedruns, about old records and their improvement. You understand very well us - retired players who spent so much time breaking strange records in old, forgotten games.
I always get a feeling of nostalgia and longing for those times after your videos.
I never get tired of hearing crazy speedrunning history about games I didn't even know exist
I think there are a ton of world records out there that are not "official". It was crazy enough that this guy happened to be recording, happened to save it, and happened to still have it. I've done a lot of amazing things in games and I never record. I just say that was cool and move on.
interesting to see the "fake" scores from the UK magazine, i used to submit scores back then and would have been in the issues shortly after the one pictured - and to be "confirmed" you needed to submit photographic evidence - which for the time was usually just a regular camera film photo off your tv....so very hard to fake.
The -e at the end of Japanese words is not silent how it would be in english. Hayate is pronounced like Ha-ya-teh
This video brought back so many memories for me. I remember me and my brother getting this game and cruising usa as a gift from our grandmother when we were 12 years old. We didn't even own an N64. She thought they were SNES games when she bought them and mailed them to us. (lol old people) She couldn't afford to buy us the console too once we told her what she did so we spent months saving every penny we could to buy an N64. We grew up really poor so this was hard for us to do. But when we finally got enough money for it, finally getting to play this game instead of just looking at the cartridge was the best feeling ever. I wish I knew how my brother's times in this game compared to the runners of today because for years after I got bored with the game, he would play this game all the time just trying to lower his times on maps. He died a few years back so even if he would remember, I couldn't even ask him.
What a story. Thanks for sharing these memories. I can really picture just "looking" at the cartridge, anticipating playing it someday. Glad you got to enjoy it so much.
longest standing single star wr for sm64 was Boil the Big Bully in 16"16 igt by Akira (2013-2023)
Sunny Beach stood for more than 2000 days longer
Still by far my favorite speedrun lore channel and youtube personality. Thanks Goose.
I hope David Wonn is doing well these days. Back in the late 90s, early 2000s, I helped him with his game speedrun/glitch website. Really unique and cool guy. Haven't heard from him in nearly 20 years.
You need to bring the campfire series back. It was the coziest shit in the world.
Imagine Chris Murphy pops up with a video of his 1'02"694 now. :) (The very fact that they're apparently playing on the NTSC version is kind of interesting; it wouldn't exactly be trivial to have an NTSC console and TV in the UK then).
That would be truly insane!
0:39 That disclaimer saved you a lawsuit
oh wow cant believe this game popped up in my recommended. I actually test played this game. The devs or western branch or something did a bunch of interviews in texas and I got accepted. got like 20 dollars and got to play the game for a while before it came out and give my thoughts. They ended up hiring one of us 10 kids i think. Thinking back on it, that was a lucky kid.
actual God Gamer of his time, i would love to see more hidden gems like this, just imagine the whole reason this was discovered was because the guy didnt even knew that people still play the game competitive.
"Hay - ya - teh". The Japanese surname "Hayate" pronounces the 'e' on the end. All Japanese consonants ALWAYS have a vowel sound immediately after, EXCEPT SOMETIMES "N". Now, that doesn't mean that speakers will voice the ending vowels all the time, just like you might leave off the "-g" when you go "drivin".
While watching the VHS footage, I kept hearing this strange synth noise off in the distance. I don't know what it was, but it's finally landing.
It's so funny looking at the top 20 times and seeing like
"10 months ago"
"7 years ago"
"5 months ago"
*"24 years ago"*
"1 month ago"
12:15 Now watch Chris Murphy come outta the blue and show his 1’02” time was actually real 😂
That would be truly insane.
A lot of us were doing crazy stuff on our games in the 90s, and early 00s even, and had no idea the competition went beyond our own console best times, or cool tricks we found out playing so much.
Are the NTSC and PAL versions different in regards to timing?
Marc Rutzou approves Misuken's VHS quality.
Ugh. I wish I had video footage of it. Many years ago when I was probably 12-13 years old I grinded Australia on Cruis'n World N64. Nintendo magazine or whatever was having a competition and people could submit times with a screen shot of the finish screen. To this day I know that I hold the best time I've ever seen. After all the trick time reductions were calculated into the time it came in at ~15.00 seconds. Like 11 seconds faster than the closest thing I have seen on TG. I have no reason to make this up and as a kid I just didn't know how to submit a picture to a magazine.
12:02 "Despite it showing as confirmed on the page, this time is almost certainly fake." How do you make a 20 minute video about how nobody believed a guy with 1.03 until he proved it twenty years later, whilst also dismissing another record as fake without any proof. Isn't the moral of the video don't assume a run is fake because you or people you know couldn't do it?
ahhh the good ol 18 years long time hoard. A true classic!
Rendering less is faster, but you have to imagine for such a tight, optimized run having a better awareness of your positioning and lines isn't trivial, especially when it took as long as it did for those playing with an optimal camera to catch up.
Food for thought.
13:01 "Mind you, this was in the year 2017, and so this video would be 18 years old by this point" Goose, you can't do this kind of stuff to us.
Believe it or not, things from 2005 are now 18 years old! 😱
as a michigan smash contemporary of the man himself, i always love hearing a good retelling of some quality shibbypod lore. nother great goose vid for my morning coffee sesh.
9:06 THANK YOU so much for the photosensitivity warning. Sadly, not a lot of people think about those of us who suffer from photosensitivities.
Personally, rapidly flashing lights can cause me sharp physical pain. However, most people still only think photosensitivity is a form of epilepsy, so I am often disregarded.
Thanks for looking out for us ^_^
your videos are always top quality, but this one is among your finest! thank you for this ride!
Thank you! I actually agree, sometimes the story and vibe just come together, and you really "feel it" in that you're making a good video.
'He played a wider view causing the game to have to render more.... compared to today and the time he could have saved with knowledge' Does the lag slow the ingame clock though? Or does it simply slow the player's performance? If it impacts the clock then maybe there is an advantage if the record is recorded with ingame time vs real time.
I have never played this game, I'm asking out curiosity mostly.
Many racing games use two different "clocks" to dictate how things work. You have the one for the controls of the game and the other for the clock. This is so used in many ways and some practices have changed over the years with improving technologies and learning what the best practices should be.
For the N64, like many older systems, it was more common to use the game rate as the clock for the controls; usually for slow games this is fine, and many old racing games are slow. So if frames need more time, the the player input would be based on where the player is at that moment. To assist with performance, the clock would use real time to figure out what to show but it was just displaying a result given at the time the frame was being rendered. This is very useful to do when you have to consider PAL using 59hz and NTSC using 60hz screen refresh rates. If the clock was being based off fps, the PAL version would be going time at a slower rate due to the missing frame.
Tl;Dr: the clock uses real world clock because a clock based on frames would have issues because tvs ran at different speeds, but the player controls based on current frame and there will be no skipping of frames, regardless of how long they take to load and the real world clock just keeps chugging along.
Remarkable occurrence and lovely presentation, Goose! I have to say that I absolutely delight in your word choice/vocabulary that you use for your videos
Great video as always! Underappreciated youtuber
When I saw your video in my feed, it brought me straight back to 9yr old me discovering my stepdad’s stash of N64 cartridges… WaveRace, PilotWings, LoZ Majora’s Mask, Mario Kart 64…
My stepdad’s sibling group still get together for a round of Kart 64 on the old console with a penny rattling around in it.
when you try to get another life by slotting in a coin 🧠
I never know if I'm clicking on a Goose or Karl Jobst video (your thumbnails are so similar) and it just keeps happening
Honestly I think Waverace is one of the most underrated games. It was my sisters choice for the n64 game per year my mom would buy and we had SO much fun with it as kids. Awesome to see how people still want to keep all these games alive
Goose is a pretty cool guy!
eh makes n64 youtube videos and doesn't afraid of anything.
uhoh nobody tell him
I must have spent a thousand hours playing this back in the day with my neighborhood friends.
Jeez, gg Misuken, always so fun to watch these videos, thanks Goose
It looked like that tape was hardly hanging on, if he didn't find it when he did it could have been lost forever
Imagine if he waited another 20 years, yeah. Then maybe the visual would be too degraded to see anything!
@@GamerFolklore It makes you wonder. What if the tape degraded just a little differently and it didn't meet proof standards, but was clear enough that people generally believed it to be real
Hey Goose!! Keep it up! Not sure why your channel hasn’t blown up but we all will keep watching!!!!
I love how at 0:38 we get an AI pic of two strangers we definitely do not know in any shape or form and they are not recognizable in any way.
Seeing those comments from over a decade ago is why I feel data preservation is so important. It might just be data for most people but being able to search up stuff like that is like opening a time capsule. The fact that I can still go right now and watch Jesse Cox and TotalBiscuit's Terraria series is just amazing to me.
no matter who says what this is the best speedrun history channel on youtube by far....
Karl Jobst is way better
@@fade2black001 Karl covers more broader speedrunning topics and lots of current day big speedrunning history while Goose is more niche. No need to compare two legends who speedran the same games and are actual friends.
I used to get really good times on this game but never posted them. Just did it for a PB thing. Still have my old n64 and games, I’m curious to know how good those times really were.
0:40 😂 That fine print cracked me up! Thanks!
I speedrun all games for 950'000hours and got 529'000 wr's in each game. But in all honesty things like this makes me wonder how many wrs we missed out on.
Damn I havent seen OP delivered it was a good day in years lol
after finding out that misukens record was played on the same day I was born, I feel somehow connected to it and made me enjoy this way more
oh man i used to play wave race 64 FOR HOURS WITH MY SISTER ...such a fun game!! love the dives and the jumping and what not! such a great game!
Even some random person having an old VHS tape, to show proof, that is wild. Respect to this Japanese runner.
When a Japanese kid tells you that he accomplished something you thought was impossible in video games, it's safest just to believe them. :P
The streak continues!! Another certified hood classic by goose. Doesn’t waste our time with filler videos, he’s always got an interesting topic 👍
Seeing pretty recent speedruns from months back to within 10ish years, then 24 years ago, he's fantastic
I kinda always assume for any game, but especially older ones, that w/e run has an officially recognized world record has already long been crushed by someone completely unaware or uninterested in the wider community and is simply obsessed with perfecting _this_ game and never bothered to record and share (or even time) their runs 🤷
Since this game's ILs are using IGT, would the lag from the camera perspective have any impact other than perhaps the player's performance? Idk anything about Wave Race 64 but unless the timer runs on a separate clock from the rest of the game, I imagine if the game lags, the timer would lag too. This is a problem in a lot of other games where they're measured by RT instead of IGT (think Mario 64), but in this case I imagine the player was just used to playing this way.
Someone let me know if there is something more to this that I'm missing.
Very nice video Goose. I like how you focus on the positive side of speed running...unlike others.
Crazy to see this come to light!
This time the video cassette actually started in second gear.
It makes me sad how much less I enjoyed Blue Storm than the original, but I could go back and play Wave Race 64 any day :)
In a way, it doesn't surprise me that unclaimed times from the 90s are recently resurfacing. The Web was a much smaller community back then, and not everyone had access yet. For those of us fortunate enough to be online during those times, it probably seems inconceivable that a Net Search for something as simple as "Mario Kart" would yield fewer than 30 results, most of which led to fan sites circa 1996. Kudos on this "lost" finding.
Another upload from ryan is always something i love
0:38 - Oh my god! It's Todd Togers!
And Milly Bitchel!
@@lastwymsi You meant Silly Bitchell, right?
This should also count as a Guinness world record for "longest uptime for a speedrun".
This is the type of “what if scenario” we all fantasize about for our speed games, along with “what if some random person knows a speedrunning skip the community doesn’t and either isn’t aware of the community or just assumes we already know about it (this actually happened in MK64 with the RR red shell skip as many people know)?” It’s so satisfying to see that fantasy realized on such a hilariously large scale, resulting in the longest IL WR in N64 history. Thank you always for your superior N64 wisdom, Goose.
New sun right here, just found this channel and I’m loving it
I love that during the last lap the degradation spikes compared to lap 2, I'm pretty sure Misuken themself played that lap over and over back in the day thinking to themself "holy shit, I actually did that?".
Managed to get Knights of the Round in Final Fantasy 7 in 14 hours back around '99 or '00; Midgar only took 2 hours instead of the usual 4 and I got VERY lucky with breeding a gold chocobo. Once you have KotR you've basically finished the game; a quick run through the North Crater then a few minutes of hitting Sephiroth with KotR, done.
Being the era that it was I don't have footage (and my time has been surpassed several times anyway). I'm sure I still have the save file on a memory card that's in the depths of a box containing my PS2 somewhere.
Playing "Gravel" on the XBone years ago I realized I could wall ride a section of one of the tracks for a #1 leaderboard time trial time so I picked a car nobody else in the top 10 had used (Fiesta ST Rally car) and took the top spot. I watched for months as people all assumed the car was the difference and tried and tried to beat me time with that same vehicle. It was still at the top of the pole when I stopped caring and checking on it.
Amazing video!
Always great when OP delivers^^
thanks for the warning I put on my eye patch as my left eye is very damaged and could watch the video without issues or risk of seizure because of your courteous warning, thank you I truly love people like you who go that extra mile so as not to harm people like myself
Glad you appreciated it 🙂 Many others ridiculed the warning, but I know old VHS footage can flash around a lot, and be quite hard on the eyes! ⚠️
@@GamerFolklore well the others are simply wrong because of your warning I was able to enjoy this video without a migraine or worse so thank you for thinking of us photosensitive people, we appreciate anyone who looks out for us.
Love love love that you made this a 15min episode. Was fun to have so many rapid fire challenges
Sounds like a great story! Thanks Goose for all the TRULY REMARKABLE videos
Someone being vanquished by proving his record with evidence 18 years later, insane!