I have a 2021 K67 S1000RR. I have to agree with your opinion concerning the smoothness of these BMW engines. I used to ride exclusively CBR1000RRs and the first time I started this bike I thought I started an old Farm tractor. Everything vibrates and sounds a bit like someone forgot a 10mm socket in that engine. That being said, once you ride it and hit a few twisties, you don't hear (or care) about all of that anymore. The ride is sublime, agile, comfortable, and tons of power.
I fitted a Socal Motorwerks manual cam chain tensioner, great quality and it hasn’t leaked at all, done about 40,000 miles with it and adjusted it 2 times so far.
Hey Old Mechanic. If you think the S1000R rattles loud for a few seconds when it starts up, wait until you hear the F800GT's transmission after it's warmed up to full operating temperature, with the clutch out. Sounds like a bunch of bolts in a shaking tin can. The Japanese manufactures are much better at building quiet/smooth running motorcycle engines than BMW is.
6:49 I had a ZZR1100, the best bike I've ever owned, and the one I regret selling most. Over 50,000 miles, and it still looked like new. Totally reliable. Comfortable. Speed? All the cliches apply. Easy to work on. Parts reasonable, and you only need consumables. Weakness? The OEM headlight - akin to a birthday cake candle! Dangerous on a slow bike, crazy on this 'ICBM'! Sorted with a HiD kit, which was a revelation!
I replaced this with a K1200S - which I did love, but the complexity made me nervous, and I didn't like being obliged to let the dealer service - to keep in line with the warranty terms, and eventual re-sale value.... I swapped it for a ZX-9R (and cash) and was happy again!
Hi E'I, when you got that same rattleling sound when starting the bike its the oil pressurised cam chain tensioner. I can asure you that its an easy job to exchange it for a manual can chain tensioner. Just get the rear wheel up.. put the bike in gear and rotate the wheel in riding forward. So your cam chain is having its max slack. Then screw out the old one, and have the new manual one ready. Besure to put some liquit gasket on the threat of the bold, that is pushing at the cam chain rail..! The o-ring starts to leak is my expirience. Then screw THAT bold out as far as possible. Put the new cam chain tensioner in, with the 2 little bolds and tightening them. Then with your fingers screw the long bold inwards, until you feel some pressure, then one turn out again. Start up the engine, and then start to screw it in, until that rattleing sound is gone.. after that just screw it a tiny bit out again just before that rattleing starts again.. Block it with the nut.. JOB done.
hello Sir, ..I really love to watch your videos..they are very informative to amature mechanics like me.PLEASE post a separate video..on how to bring the engine TDC before starting to do any work on the timing chain
Great videos my man👊 thank you for posting really like your videos, you are awesome 👌,I had a question about my 2007 YZF R1 ,4C8, I wanted to ask with 18000 miles on it ,it has a metallic rattle coming from the left side after I rev and red line it once , its like a tik, like something has come loose ,I've looked around the headers to see if somethings loose but all the bolts seem tight what would you suggest? Thanks again
Thanks for the great video. So at the end when you turn the bike on to listen, you mention that its not a smooth sounding 'idler', you never mentioned whether or not you solved the camchain noise issue?
The camchain noise, rattling when starting up, the first seconds you can improve that when installing a manual camchain tensioner. I made a video about that. Have a look at the playlist about the S1000R 👍🤛🏍
Hello 😊 Je possède une S1000r de 2016, 53000 kms, la chaîne de distribution fait un bruit assez fort, pensez-vous que je puisse mettre le tendeur manuel ? Si oui pouvez-vous me donner la marche à suivre ? Sorry my english is very bad, saw speak French 😂
Hi Ed, I just don't know why that manufactures make these kind of oil presurised cam chain tensioners.. as a lot of times that simply doesn't work well. When its new they work.. yeah.. Thanks for your comment. My friend has a Triumph Tiger, but at this moment its good, but I am going to tell him to keep it in mind, and maybe just change it for that APE tensioner upfront ! Greetz from The Old Mechanic, ride save 👨🔧--->🏍 👍 Don't forget to subribe to my channel.😉
One more note. If your friend with the Tiger has this problem, instead of installing the APE , a firm in the UK sells a stronger spring. Which will keep the automatic feature.. I would have went this route, but importing to the States would have cost more than the APE. All the best.
Hi, your video is just I was looking for for weeks :) I have a ‘09 BMW K1300S and it started the same rattling noise on startup couple of weeks ago. The bike was standing in my garage for months. But before never done it even though it was standing there for the whole winter. Should I go ahead and change the tensioner straight away or should I get it checked for other issues with a mechanic? Also, as I read in your other comment is it true that the factory tensioner doesn’t let the chain slip a tooth even though it’s failed and the rattling noise is only on startup ( I believe the oil pressure builds back when the engine is running) I just want to make sure that doesn’t happen if I have to take it to have it checked. Thanks for your answer. Have a great day!
Hello Balint, there is this company who makes a manual cam chain tensioner for your bike, so you never have that problem again. Perhaps this is what for your bike (please check if its the right one) www.southerncaliforniamotowerks.com/store/p13/K1300S.html
The clutch springs start to rattle inside the clutch basket when they heat up! Or else it’s your clutch basket itself rattling all depending on the amount of miles/kms it has 🤙🏻
@@jaimewilliamson5883 mine has 55000 km and i think it rattles a bit when driving, and clutch feel is a bit crusty sometimes, maybe i should look into that, but what is the repair for the loose springs/clutch basket?
I installed the same manual cam chain tensioner however, the noice on startup is gone but now I notice a slight rattle noice while riding. It doesn’t sound harsh like the the startup used to have but there is chain noice when riding. Could it be too tight? Or would you say this is normal?
@@nikezimmer8935so one year ago I made the mistake of not using any second nut on the adjuster as a security. Even when tight the nut had slightly undone itself. One year later and I have a proper adjuster in there with a extra security nut, never an issue after that
Hi Old Mechanic, I have a S1000r that does have the cam chain set up noise, but also has a strange rattle noise when your riding sometimes. Not sure if it's the clutch. Any ideas? Thanks
Hey, I got a S1000r 2019, and I got some rattle noises when the engine is about 3k to 3.5k rpm ... I don't know if it's normal.. I did the 10,000 km service revision but they must not have seen it
I really like your vids, but im here to see if you can help me! Im having problems with the original chain cam tensioner, my 2018 s1000r is having lots of vibatrion in that cam chain, i already changed the original hydaulic tensioner 2 times, and for one month or less the issue its gone, then it comes back again. Any problems with the manual tensioner? How many miles or kilometers between ajusments. Thk in advance sir!
Hello Hariston, sorry for my late respond. The manual tensioner is doing great. No problem with it. In just a few weeks I get a S1000R of a friend, with the same problem. So I am going to make a video about installing a manual tensioner. So stay tuned mate.
Ive put manual tensioners on all my bikes, thinking of doing it on this aswell. as far as install goes, on most bikes you have to set the engine to TDC and remove the valve cover to install the tensioner. did you have to do that for this? or do you simply unscrew the old tensioner and install the new one?
Hi Steven what I did was put the bike on a motorcycle stand, with its rear whell off the ground, put it in gear (engine off) then rotate the wheel in forward riding position, so the cam chain has its max slack on the tensioner side. Then screw the old one out, and put the new one in, but with the tensioning bolt all the was out. Then gently screw it inwards until you feel that it goes against the cam chain. NOT to tight ofcourse. Then start and warm up the engine and slowly 'tweak' the new tensioning bolt, until that rattling noise just dissapear. Thats all.
Hi Tomer, its like your drive chain, when you drive the power goes from the engine to your rear wheel, so the chain slack is at the bottom. So for your cam chain, its a bit the same. Put the rear wheel off the ground, then put the bike in gear, and rotate the wheel in the driving direction. Ofcourse by hand, and with the engine NOT running. Then the cam chain its slack is on the cam chain tensioner side. Easy huh 😉
So I have an issue I started my bike before I change the cam chain tensioner now my bike won't start I don't know if I got the camera to make sure to the cam chain tensioner and correctly or if that's the problem belt
Hey, ich würde gerne mal deine Meinung hören. Ich hab eine s1R aus 2019(38t km gelaufen). Aktuell steht sie in der Werkstatt mit einem Nockenwellenschaden. Laut Mechaniker ist die Nockenwelle eingelaufen 🤷🏼♀️ gott sei dank hab ich eine Garantie und alles wird übernommen. Jetzt meine Frage. Würdest du das bike danach verkaufen weil es nur der Vorbote für einen Motorradschaden ist oder bist du der Meinung wenn alles fachgerecht gemacht wurde, kann sie noch gut 30-40t km laufen?
On cold sarting, my 2015 RR Has always sounded like two skeletons having sex on a tin roof during a hailstorm. Now I know the reason why, I shall just ignore it and save myself £100. That should pay for a couple of gallons of fuel....🤪
![BMW S1000R S1000RR [2016] Cam Chain Rattle SOLVED ! INSTALL & ADJUSTING A MANUAL CAMCHAIN TENSIONER](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q8v4gTm95NY/mqdefault.jpg)
I have a 2021 K67 S1000RR. I have to agree with your opinion concerning the smoothness of these BMW engines. I used to ride exclusively CBR1000RRs and the first time I started this bike I thought I started an old Farm tractor. Everything vibrates and sounds a bit like someone forgot a 10mm socket in that engine. That being said, once you ride it and hit a few twisties, you don't hear (or care) about all of that anymore. The ride is sublime, agile, comfortable, and tons of power.
Hi Northen its spot on what you said ! 👍
I just buy 2015 46500km drived bike, engine rattles when just started. I think i'm going buy manual cam chain tensioner, thanks for goid video 👌
Thank you for the video! Very well done, straight to the point and informational.
Thanks Chris, on my S1000R playlist is a video I made how to install a manual camshaft chain tensioner.
I fitted a Socal Motorwerks manual cam chain tensioner, great quality and it hasn’t leaked at all, done about 40,000 miles with it and adjusted it 2 times so far.
Thanks for your info 👍🏻👍🏻👊🏻
Hey Old Mechanic. If you think the S1000R rattles loud for a few seconds when it starts up, wait until you hear the F800GT's transmission after it's warmed up to full operating temperature, with the clutch out. Sounds like a bunch of bolts in a shaking tin can. The Japanese manufactures are much better at building quiet/smooth running motorcycle engines than BMW is.
6:49 I had a ZZR1100, the best bike I've ever owned, and the one I regret selling most.
Over 50,000 miles, and it still looked like new. Totally reliable. Comfortable. Speed? All the cliches apply.
Easy to work on. Parts reasonable, and you only need consumables.
Weakness? The OEM headlight - akin to a birthday cake candle! Dangerous on a slow bike, crazy on this 'ICBM'!
Sorted with a HiD kit, which was a revelation!
I replaced this with a K1200S - which I did love, but the complexity made me nervous,
and I didn't like being obliged to let the dealer service - to keep in line with the warranty terms,
and eventual re-sale value.... I swapped it for a ZX-9R (and cash) and was happy again!
Im from Germany and i have the same problem. Cool Video :-) keep going!
Hi E'I, when you got that same rattleling sound when starting the bike its the oil pressurised cam chain tensioner. I can asure you that its an easy job to exchange it for a manual can chain tensioner. Just get the rear wheel up.. put the bike in gear and rotate the wheel in riding forward.
So your cam chain is having its max slack.
Then screw out the old one, and have the new manual one ready. Besure to put some liquit gasket on the threat of the bold, that is pushing at the cam chain rail..! The o-ring starts to leak
is my expirience. Then screw THAT bold out as far as possible. Put the new cam chain tensioner in, with the 2 little bolds and tightening them.
Then with your fingers screw the long bold inwards, until you feel some pressure, then one turn out again. Start up the engine, and then start to screw it in, until that rattleing sound is gone.. after that just screw it a tiny bit out again
just before that rattleing starts again.. Block it with the nut.. JOB done.
hello Sir, ..I really love to watch your videos..they are very informative to amature mechanics like me.PLEASE post a separate video..on how to bring the engine TDC before starting to do any work on the timing chain
Great video I would think that putting PTF thread tape on the adjuster thread would achieve the same sealing effect maybe ..
Is that heat resistant ?
It works on hot water pipes and hydraulic systems on plant machinery ok .
Okay 👍🏍
Thanks for sharing, great video mate. 🏍🇦🇺👍🏻
Great videos my man👊 thank you for posting really like your videos, you are awesome 👌,I had a question about my 2007 YZF R1 ,4C8, I wanted to ask with 18000 miles on it ,it has a metallic rattle coming from the left side after I rev and red line it once , its like a tik, like something has come loose ,I've looked around the headers to see if somethings loose but all the bolts seem tight what would you suggest?
Thanks again
Thanks for the great video. So at the end when you turn the bike on to listen, you mention that its not a smooth sounding 'idler', you never mentioned whether or not you solved the camchain noise issue?
Hi, no an S1000R isn't the smoothest engine, its the way it sounds you know 😉🏍🤛👍
The camchain noise, rattling when starting up, the first seconds you can improve that when installing a manual camchain tensioner. I made a video about that. Have a look at the playlist about the S1000R 👍🤛🏍
Hello 😊
Je possède une S1000r de 2016, 53000 kms, la chaîne de distribution fait un bruit assez fort, pensez-vous que je puisse mettre le tendeur manuel ?
Si oui pouvez-vous me donner la marche à suivre ?
Sorry my english is very bad, saw speak French 😂
I have a Triumph Tiger with a similar issue, and installed the APE pensioner. End of problem.
Hi Ed, I just don't know why that manufactures make these kind of oil presurised cam chain tensioners.. as a lot of times that simply doesn't work well. When its new they work.. yeah.. Thanks for your comment. My friend has a Triumph Tiger,
but at this moment its good, but I am going to tell him to keep it in mind, and maybe just change it for that APE tensioner upfront !
Greetz from The Old Mechanic, ride save 👨🔧--->🏍 👍
Don't forget to subribe to my channel.😉
One more note. If your friend with the Tiger has this problem, instead of installing the APE , a firm in the UK sells a stronger spring. Which will keep the automatic feature.. I would have went this route, but importing to the States would have cost more than the APE.
All the best.
@@edsyphan3425 thanks for your tip Ed !!
Very helpful thanks 👍
Very welcome!
Hi, your video is just I was looking for for weeks :) I have a ‘09 BMW K1300S and it started the same rattling noise on startup couple of weeks ago. The bike was standing in my garage for months. But before never done it even though it was standing there for the whole winter. Should I go ahead and change the tensioner straight away or should I get it checked for other issues with a mechanic? Also, as I read in your other comment is it true that the factory tensioner doesn’t let the chain slip a tooth even though it’s failed and the rattling noise is only on startup ( I believe the oil pressure builds back when the engine is running) I just want to make sure that doesn’t happen if I have to take it to have it checked. Thanks for your answer. Have a great day!
Hello Balint, there is this company who makes a manual cam chain tensioner for your bike, so you never have that problem again.
Perhaps this is what for your bike (please check if its the right one) www.southerncaliforniamotowerks.com/store/p13/K1300S.html
Hi, what can you advice about the rattling noise coming from the clutch side of the engine? It is also common issue on these bikes.
Hmm beside a rough sounding idling engine, I do have no expirience with what you discribe.
The clutch springs start to rattle inside the clutch basket when they heat up! Or else it’s your clutch basket itself rattling all depending on the amount of miles/kms it has 🤙🏻
@@jaimewilliamson5883 mine has 55000 km and i think it rattles a bit when driving, and clutch feel is a bit crusty sometimes, maybe i should look into that, but what is the repair for the loose springs/clutch basket?
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After how many kilometers does it need to be adjusted?
Sir how can the bike blipping his engine code , till make sound so bad like the powers wants off on my s1000r 2014. .?
I installed the same manual cam chain tensioner however, the noice on startup is gone but now I notice a slight rattle noice while riding. It doesn’t sound harsh like the the startup used to have but there is chain noice when riding. Could it be too tight? Or would you say this is normal?
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Did you screw in the tensioner adjusting screw with your fingers?
@@nikezimmer8935so one year ago I made the mistake of not using any second nut on the adjuster as a security. Even when tight the nut had slightly undone itself. One year later and I have a proper adjuster in there with a extra security nut, never an issue after that
@@Bikerrep What model of tensioner do you have now and how many kilometers have you driven with it?
Good vid , 👍🏼.
Thanks !
My 2014 doesn’t rattle at all. Weird. Mine is an HP4 so maybe it’s a different tensioner?
Hi Rat Rod, perhaps they did made a change..
But its good that you don't hear that start up rattle.
Hi Old Mechanic, I have a S1000r that does have the cam chain set up noise, but also has a strange rattle noise when your riding sometimes. Not sure if it's the clutch. Any ideas? Thanks
Hey, I got a S1000r 2019, and I got some rattle noises when the engine is about 3k to 3.5k rpm ... I don't know if it's normal.. I did the 10,000 km service revision but they must not have seen it
I really like your vids, but im here to see if you can help me! Im having problems with the original chain cam tensioner, my 2018 s1000r is having lots of vibatrion in that cam chain, i already changed the original hydaulic tensioner 2 times, and for one month or less the issue its gone, then it comes back again. Any problems with the manual tensioner? How many miles or kilometers between ajusments. Thk in advance sir!
Hello Hariston, sorry for my late respond. The manual tensioner is doing great. No problem with it. In just a few weeks I get a S1000R of a friend, with the same problem. So I am going to make a video about installing a manual tensioner. So stay tuned mate.
@@TheOldMechanic Ty Sir. Waiting for one more great vídeo.
So even though the bike sounds very rattlely in general its rides really smooth??
Absolute
@@TheOldMechanic thank you kind sir
Ive put manual tensioners on all my bikes, thinking of doing it on this aswell. as far as install goes, on most bikes you have to set the engine to TDC and remove the valve cover to install the tensioner. did you have to do that for this? or do you simply unscrew the old tensioner and install the new one?
Hi Steven what I did was put the bike on a motorcycle stand, with its rear whell off the ground, put it in gear (engine off) then rotate the wheel in forward riding position, so the cam chain has its max slack on the tensioner side.
Then screw the old one out, and put the new one in, but with the tensioning bolt all the was out.
Then gently screw it inwards until you feel that it goes against the cam chain. NOT to tight ofcourse. Then start and warm up the engine and slowly 'tweak' the new tensioning bolt, until that rattling noise just dissapear. Thats all.
@@TheOldMechanic How do you know when the cam chain have max slack?
Hi Tomer, its like your drive chain, when you drive the power goes from the engine to your rear wheel, so the chain slack is at the bottom. So for your cam chain, its a bit the same. Put the rear wheel off the ground,
then put the bike in gear, and rotate the wheel in the driving direction.
Ofcourse by hand, and with the engine NOT running. Then the cam chain its slack is on the cam chain tensioner side. Easy huh 😉
@@TheOldMechanic I think I got you, thank you :)
@@tomeri7356 LOLLLLL yep for the full 100%
So I have an issue I started my bike before I change the cam chain tensioner now my bike won't start I don't know if I got the camera to make sure to the cam chain tensioner and correctly or if that's the problem belt
I need help
After i used the silver plug by 10k km again start up rattling is happening when i leave the bike off for couple of days
The best is still the manual tensioner.. ;-)
@@TheOldMechanic can we see the shimmer you did to stop the oil ?
Hey, ich würde gerne mal deine Meinung hören. Ich hab eine s1R aus 2019(38t km gelaufen). Aktuell steht sie in der Werkstatt mit einem Nockenwellenschaden. Laut Mechaniker ist die Nockenwelle eingelaufen 🤷🏼♀️ gott sei dank hab ich eine Garantie und alles wird übernommen. Jetzt meine Frage. Würdest du das bike danach verkaufen weil es nur der Vorbote für einen Motorradschaden ist oder bist du der Meinung wenn alles fachgerecht gemacht wurde, kann sie noch gut 30-40t km laufen?
How is your bike after the repair? How far have you traveled already?
On cold sarting, my 2015 RR Has always sounded like two skeletons having sex on a tin roof during a hailstorm. Now I know the reason why, I shall just ignore it and save myself £100. That should pay for a couple of gallons of fuel....🤪
😂👍🏻👊🏻🏍
I like this one lol. Smiles per gallon