Did u pick with roll of throttle ? Also. Where did u get the bike? Only seeing them on alibaba. How is this bike stock? Could it handle the stuff you just did?
The lower voltage is theoretically more efficient from what I've been told in the drone world. But efficiency is relative if your roosting on it. Endurance-wise, watt-hours to watt-hours a lower voltage setup will go further.The reason being that the fets on the speed control hold the current on each fet longer and arent switching as much so you gain more push from every pulse. The exception would be if the battery is running hot. Cool thing about higher voltage is you get more working watts at lower amp draw therefore you can run lower C cells and carry higher energy density cells in the same given space without worrying about over working them.
I honestly think it takes some getting used to but now I love it for sure! the extra noise of the chain also is a good indicator of how fast you're going. With the belt it's hard to tell just by sound
Your area looks just like mine. My buddy lives in Sand Point as well. I am in Bend OR. If you stand up while riding in the snow and ice. Or stand up in technical terrain in general. You have more control and you use your legs as suspension. I stand 90% of the time but I am 6'3" tall. Have fun out there.
Nice ride. I think I run just as well with 60v setup on BAC4000 though :) I run 12KW, 430 phase amps, 52t sprocket. It rips like an animal, always traction limited, not power.
I believe it! My next build is going to be a 60v And I plan on doing a lot of comparison videos. The main thing you get with the 72 V and 8000 is more efficiency but depending on the weight and rider style that could probably be canceled out pretty easy
@@EdwinOlding higher voltage only enables higher RPMs on the motor. When you are spinning on lower RPMs, phase voltage is determined by the motor and doesn't depend on the battery voltage. Main gain with BAC8000 is that you get up to 860 phase amps, which translates into 2x the max torque that BAC4000 provides, and you get this advantage on both 60 and 72v at lower RPMs.
@@EdwinOlding well I have a computer and I can video with my phone and upload I just don't no how to put the videos together is there any editing apps or websites that I can download to edit my videos?
NICE!! WHich battery is that? THe 21700 Battery Packs? or 18650? is it 32ah or more?. I like how it dosent protrude too high is why I am asking...thanks
Can’t use 72v & 60v. Would burn out the battery as when you buy the upgraded controller it’s tuned to draw 72v or 60v depending on which battery you get.
No, I’ve been at half the full throttle for almost an hour and it was warm to the touch but that was about it. I have friends with 72volts that I’ve had it wide open in the sand for a full battery with no problems. Pretty soon I will have a screen that shows motor temp So I will make a video about that when it comes
With the upgrades you have what is the approx total price of the bike ??? I would like a suron but would need the upgrades to make it worth it .... so with bike and upgrades I'm assuming I'd be looking at the 10 thousand dollar range??
No the damage wasn't that bad. Because the stock controller and battery are still worth a lot let's say you spend $2,700 on the upgrades but then you have a brand new battery and controller from the stock bike that you can sell for 1500. I will do a full video on this once I finish my build and get everything tuned up but power brakes and if you're tall handlebars and then you're good to go
You can buy a pedal kit for it from Luna cycles I think it's $150. If you look at the bottom of the description on Luna I'm pretty sure there is a link to people who get VIN numbers for them so you can take them on the street
Damm that’s not bad! They have any power stock ? I live Long Island NY , cops always chasing kids on dirt bikes , that E-bike go hit trails in the morning no one would even no I’m there lol
@@BrianK-pd4bu Yeah they have similar power to a 110 about six or 7 hp stock. Which is a lot for 110 pound bike! I’ve done wheelies passed cops on the street before in town with no problems haha
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Woooow. And how many times can you climb this hill before your battery get flat?:):):):) 10 times? Heh. This is just senseless. These bikes just don't have a usable range.
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Did u pick with roll of throttle ? Also. Where did u get the bike? Only seeing them on alibaba. How is this bike stock? Could it handle the stuff you just did?
The lower voltage is theoretically more efficient from what I've been told in the drone world. But efficiency is relative if your roosting on it. Endurance-wise, watt-hours to watt-hours a lower voltage setup will go further.The reason being that the fets on the speed control hold the current on each fet longer and arent switching as much so you gain more push from every pulse. The exception would be if the battery is running hot. Cool thing about higher voltage is you get more working watts at lower amp draw therefore you can run lower C cells and carry higher energy density cells in the same given space without worrying about over working them.
This is really interesting! I have been taking the math at face value I will look into this for sure!
Love your vids bro! Funny how people are saying they dislike the whiny sound, sure it's not two-stroke but I think they sound so cool!
I honestly think it takes some getting used to but now I love it for sure! the extra noise of the chain also is a good indicator of how fast you're going. With the belt it's hard to tell just by sound
They are not comparable they are totally different experiences and both allow you to ride different things
I like that its not too loud, opens up them night rides.
This 72v sur ron is whats motivating me to get a job
update i got a job i will have 2k next week gang shit
did you get your surron??!
The price is $4100 now. I got one more month then I'll have enough
My subwoofer liked this intro very much, and so did my neighbors
Great content Edwin! Always look forward to your videos!
Thanks! Happy to hear it!
That hill climb was insane!
Yewww
Hell yeah we shredded this past weekend and told my buddies about your helmet mount.
Awesome!
Can't wait to get back on my bike!
the mauled bird at 00:19 is nice
Poor guy
Test drive? I always thought you ride a bike, drive a car/truck. Solid video.
You’ll have to come back when it’s all dry, th sand is a different beast
I will for sure!
Hell yeah
Nice having that extra power 😃🤙
For sure!
Sick bike ! Love to see you on a nice smooth motocross track with some hard pack 🤘🏼
Yeah it is a blast!
If only it were soft, dry, deep sand...like around here. Well done!
Oh it will be soon! I will do another video in those conditions in a couple weeks when it dries up
@@EdwinOlding It looks like power will not be much of an issue; I am curious about the sand flotation of the tires
@@garypaisley That will be interesting to see for sure. Upgraded wheels are really expensive so it might be a while until I get this build that far
you can fit a 100/90-19 on the back. Have to shave the right side knobs and dish the wheel but it works way better.
Your area looks just like mine. My buddy lives in Sand Point as well. I am in Bend OR. If you stand up while riding in the snow and ice. Or stand up in technical terrain in general. You have more control and you use your legs as suspension. I stand 90% of the time but I am 6'3" tall. Have fun out there.
It is a awesome spot to be! Gotta use the best suspension we have! Our legs!
love your content bro
Hey that is awesome! I've watched most of your E Honda videos! It would be sick to ride together sometime!
You should try paddle tire in the rear, I don't think anyone's done it yet on a sur ron
Very cool. Did anyone on the sur-rons have any problems with water getting into places that it shouldn't? Any issues with all that dirt?
Man these things are cool great vid!
Love your content man just brought my surron the other day I cant wait to rip it up 💪🏽
Awesome you are going to love it!
Amazing !! I wanna get one for this summer!
They are a blast no lie!
Nice, that looks sick. Glad he isnt referring to it as a "dirt bike" like other people are. That's like calling your prerunner a trophy truck. 👍
🤦♂️ geeze who cares
Nice ride. I think I run just as well with 60v setup on BAC4000 though :) I run 12KW, 430 phase amps, 52t sprocket. It rips like an animal, always traction limited, not power.
I believe it! My next build is going to be a 60v And I plan on doing a lot of comparison videos. The main thing you get with the 72 V and 8000 is more efficiency but depending on the weight and rider style that could probably be canceled out pretty easy
@@EdwinOlding higher voltage only enables higher RPMs on the motor. When you are spinning on lower RPMs, phase voltage is determined by the motor and doesn't depend on the battery voltage. Main gain with BAC8000 is that you get up to 860 phase amps, which translates into 2x the max torque that BAC4000 provides, and you get this advantage on both 60 and 72v at lower RPMs.
Edwin I wish I could edit like you, your a bosss!! And also love the suron it's awsome love the vids man🤙
You can it just takes practice!
@@EdwinOlding well I have a computer and I can video with my phone and upload I just don't no how to put the videos together is there any editing apps or websites that I can download to edit my videos?
Epic bike and riding bro
That look's like a beautiful ebike 2 own. UK.
Pretty fast bicycle.
Guess we will be moving on to suspension upgrades 😉
As soon as I can find something in stock haha
@@EdwinOlding Don't rule out the used market. You can also have used shocks rebuilt if you find a good deal.
What wheels were you using in this video? And how was the battery consumption in sand compared to dirt? Great video as always keep it up!
if you had not any temperature problems on this ride -> happy overheating. alot of Litespeed setups rolling around without correct temp setup/limits.
Awesome bro! Love your electric enthusiasm!!
These e bikes just make me so happy I can’t help it
What is the price of the bicycle with the components you have mounted? I mean full battery and other objects on the list. what is the price?
How much i have to pay now for compleate Surron 72v?
Looks so much fun wish i cpuld afford
Amazing track! Sand is really fun but drains the battery really quick.
It really does! I can’t wait to make a comparison video on how fast it drains it versus dirt
@@EdwinOlding Cant wait! Really looking forward to some quality content 👍
The same can be said for riding in 6" of snow.
its fun to watch its just my heart dont want wanna see a surron cover in dirt
how many hours you get from one charge using the bike like this?
As much as I love my Sur Rons I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy that whiny sound ... lol .awesome video though ! Your bike is insane
It’s no two-stroke on pipe that’s for sure!
I love ice but it actually is not that bad. Just wear ear buds and jam and you don't have to turn it up so loud to cover it up!
I have a 200 EXC and FE501 and the Surron is my favorite. I prefer quiet so I wear ear plugs when I ride combustion bikes.
1:18 RIP Bird?
Poor guy
Can you wash the sur ron carfully with a pressure washer
🔥
Yewww
God I wish I had a surron
Maybe grind hard plumbing company will do another giveaway this summer!
@@EdwinOlding Holy Mother Of God that would be fantastic
See if you can mount a rear facing camera. Would look great
NICE!! WHich battery is that? THe 21700 Battery Packs? or 18650? is it 32ah or more?. I like how it dosent protrude too high is why I am asking...thanks
I have a link to the battery in the description on the full surron build list. It is the lite speed 72 volt 32 amp hour battery
Finger original.. combo 18/21 😉
That was awesome!!
Too much fun, what’s that mean? It’s like too much money, there’s no such thing.
No such thing!
Приколист 😅 молодец хороший велик 👍👍
was it just me or was that sparks at 5:55?
Water droplets splashed in front of a high powered led headlight
That's sick
The electric bike and sand seem to be a great mix!
You have to join me next time! The sun is staying out longer we will have to go after work!
@@EdwinOlding When is good?
Couldn’t you bring your stock battery with you as a spare whilst using the 72V to increase the range? Or would the weight be too much?
Can’t use 72v & 60v. Would burn out the battery as when you buy the upgraded controller it’s tuned to draw 72v or 60v depending on which battery you get.
looks fun
Nice upgrade and test ride. I like your front mud guard. Where did you buy it?
Local bike shop called Greasy Fingers
No way and they do sell them online! greasyfingersbikes.bigcartel.com/product/greasy-fingers-bikes-fender
those look like prime bearing-killing conditions
Oh yeah sand is hard on everything!
How is this setup on the motor, will it overheat?
No, I’ve been at half the full throttle for almost an hour and it was warm to the touch but that was about it. I have friends with 72volts that I’ve had it wide open in the sand for a full battery with no problems. Pretty soon I will have a screen that shows motor temp So I will make a video about that when it comes
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how do you get all the mud off?
Is this the surron x from lunacycles
Yes
With the upgrades you have what is the approx total price of the bike ??? I would like a suron but would need the upgrades to make it worth it .... so with bike and upgrades I'm assuming I'd be looking at the 10 thousand dollar range??
Probably more like 7-8.5k range, depending how far he went with non power upgrades.
No the damage wasn't that bad. Because the stock controller and battery are still worth a lot let's say you spend $2,700 on the upgrades but then you have a brand new battery and controller from the stock bike that you can sell for 1500. I will do a full video on this once I finish my build and get everything tuned up but power brakes and if you're tall handlebars and then you're good to go
@@EdwinOlding Don't forget tires!
Ooooh
Ameritude!!
Isn't that more like soil or mud tho?
Just really wet sand. Soft like mud but not nearly as sticky.
In the lower elevations yes. The hill climb was pure wet sand though I will have to do another test once it is dry
Why did you got a BAC 8000 over the 4000?
What kind of range does the 72v a d thr 8000 get?
I thought i knew that voice
I’m in California and wondering if the surron is road legal? Does it need to have pedal kit to make it legal or no?
You can buy a pedal kit for it from Luna cycles I think it's $150. If you look at the bottom of the description on Luna I'm pretty sure there is a link to people who get VIN numbers for them so you can take them on the street
But I see people riding in California all the time with no problems as long as you stay off the major highways
this is 60 volt or 72
“72 72 72 72 72 ... 72 72 72 72 power”
Yewww
Bike price
4100 I just went up $300 last week unfortunately
now you just need bigger tires
Where in NJ is this?
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Should I be worried about the size of the bike I’m 5’8
I am 6 2 and it is fine with the 3" bars
@@EdwinOlding sorry to bother you again but fully stock is it like 110cc gas bike
@@EdwinOlding how much do you weigh? I'm sure the heavier the rider, the less range you can get.
This thing makes more noise than a gas bike,
15kW feel like 50 xD
I wanna see this thing with more power.
I should be able to make that happen! There are a few companies working on upgraded motors that I should be doing videos on when they are released
Get the biggest and baddest motor and battery that would be sick uncontrollable power at a flick of a wrist 😂
How's that belt drive?
I converted it to the chain drive from American Surron
@@EdwinOlding well done :) no worries there then :)
Where do you buy one already converted?
You can’t in the US. E bikezilla sells them sometimes!
How long does the charge last
In the sand I am not sure but I will do a video on that soon
What bike is this ? Can you send me a link please
Full build links in the description
@@EdwinOlding thank you I will check it out 😊
What is kv rating of the motor?
I don't actually know but it is still the stock motor
where is this?
How much do those things go for?
The stock surron are 3800
Damm that’s not bad!
They have any power stock ?
I live Long Island NY , cops always chasing kids on dirt bikes , that E-bike go hit trails in the morning no one would even no I’m there lol
@@BrianK-pd4bu Yeah they have similar power to a 110 about six or 7 hp stock. Which is a lot for 110 pound bike! I’ve done wheelies passed cops on the street before in town with no problems haha
Is it ok to throw a 72v on a stock x controller?
No!
@@EdwinOlding thanks for the info
What is your range with the 72v system?
it deepens but you can get about 60mil
@@romanreagan5570 That's pretty good.
what kw r u running
Anyone interested in a supermoto wheel set? I had Josh from WICKED WHEEL WERKS make me a set of red anodized rims with black spokes & black spoke nipples with Michelin City Pro slicks. Both wheels come with brake disc & the rear sprocket in black. Brand new & never used.
Did you end up going with a different wheel or what happened?
@@EdwinOlding sold the bike
sounds like youre ziplining lol
Hit it when the sand is dry and deep and youll have much worse results.
Yo bro can you do some more crypto mining vids?
For sure I will film one this week
@@EdwinOlding heck yea!!! It’s Christmas in March. You ever gonna become an asic guy? Also can you talk more abt passive income with staking?
Woooow. And how many times can you climb this hill before your battery get flat?:):):):) 10 times? Heh. This is just senseless. These bikes just don't have a usable range.
Get some real tires now (full size dirtbike tires)
How can you make something so exciting sound so boring when you speak omg