2017 GSX-R1000 S2B: SPECIAL EDITION (Q&A) from Episode 3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Brock addresses some of the most asked questions in regard to WHY Suzuki would restrict their newest entry in the sportbike world?!? As always, he breaks down the technical mumbo-jumbo and tries to make the answers as fun and enjoyable as possible.
The details: (unchanged from Episode 3)
2017 GSX-R 1000L7 Standard model (not the ‘R’ version)
Traction control - Motion Track Traction Control Standard (TC=OFF during testing)
Suzuki Drive Mode Selector (S-DMS) Power Mode=A (max power selected during testing)
Fuel used during test = Shell 89 Octane (choices available at our local Shell = 87, 89, 93 - we selected mid-grade for our tests)
Rear tire: Stock Bridgestone Battlax RS10 190/55/ZR17 - 35 PSI Nitrogen
Motor Oil: As delivered (unknown)
Air Filter: OEM
PAIR: Blocked
Power Commander: On bike with ZERO map installed (equivalent to no Power Commander at all)
ECU: Stock or Brock Flashed with Flash Tune (FTecu) software (ETV Base Maps/Mode A 100%)
5th Gear Pulls
Video Introduction - You can’t manage what you can’t measure!
0:30 Competition Use ONLY!
1:20 Sorry Cali
2:00 Y - why - WHY?!?!
3:00 Euro 3… and beyond
4:45 The dyno pit - What does all this mean for us? Big, aesthetically unattractive, heavy, and quiet
6:00 EXUP (I can’t make this UP)
7:30 This is NOT a conspiracy theory! It’s the unofficial ‘Gentlemen’s agreement’.
9:50 Our MSO shows 185.3 HP SAE.
10:45 Is *MY*________ (fill in the bike make/model/year) restricted?
11:00 Secondary throttle blades vs. ride-by-wire comparison
13:00 Data logger chart from 1 mile, land-speed event showing restricted and unrestricted S1000RR runs.
15:00 Are the blades (ETV) closed early to “save the engine?”
16:25 From our point of view
2017 GSX-R 1000 Information Page: blog.brocksperformance.com/suz...
Visit www.BrocksPerformance.com for additional information, installation instructions, information forums, and FAQ sections.
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Thanx Brock for your wonderfull and very understanding and honest comments..."in all your awesome video's"..(Grtzz from Europe (Holland).. ;)
Hi Brock, can you please give me a quick answer as to my problem with exact same bike, I've watched this whole series and tried to follow. If you have time can you tell me why, when I used flash tune to just simply derestrict my 17 gsxr 1000 (file-2017 GSXR1000 - 32920-17K82(US) - Unrestricted), it felt alright at first but soon I noticed it felt down on power. I took it to a dyno and it was running lean at the start and then as soon as 100% throttle is engaged it goes rich and I mean reaching down in the 10 around 7k and pretty much staying there up into 12k rpm where iit comes up maybe a little.... 136.7hp at 12.8k rpm peak. Terrible... Switched it back to stock flash and it still feels like crap. Bike only has 3k miles. No aftermarket performance parts (other than Yosh slip-on that came on it. just derestricting from stock.
First exup valve was on yamaha fzr 1000 in ....1989!!!!! so yes , main purpose at that time was torque, no much regulations back then,, I think now they make so much power that may be the main purpose is noise and emissions.
Awe... I feel sorry for the poor folks in California. No I don't! They get to lane filter! Lol. Excellent video Brock!
A minor redeeming point of the UK is we get both ;)
@@TheSummersilk is filtering legal or cops are just ok with it?
@@veetya92 legal :)
This is the best video series y'all have done. Thanks so much for your knowledge that you are sharing with us.
It is nice to see what goes into the pairing of part and why you do it. Thank you for you and your staffs hard work.
New to your videos but they are great. I love learning from them and appreciate your attention to detail. Thanks!!
These videos are very enjoyable. I thank you Brock, anything that can increase a persons Knowledge is a Valuable thing to have, Happy Days to you!!!
This series is excellent! very insightful and helpful to what is a grey area for many bikers! thanks
Thanks Brock for your excellent and informative tutorial on the current restriction and regulations dilemma we are facing with these new bikes
you have so much knowledge .I thank you for sharing .its nice to see someone who loves what they do .✌✌!!
Its good to see the level of understanding from a company - a lot have 'race' or 'performance' in the name but have little to no understanding and just bolt stuff on. Good on your Brook Performance, you show you have earned the "Performance' tag with a capital P!
That was awesome. I can't wait to hear this thing howl with a full system.
The worst part about this series is the waiting between videos hahaha.
Yet another awesome tech video. You are the only one doing this today. Please keep them coming. Too often I question if an ecu flash is doing what is written in some companies descriptions. Now I feel like my money was well spent. Thank you.
Brock, I couldn't be happier with your videos. I pay attention to every detail, every one of them is a masterclass on its own. I really love bikes (I have a humble 18' GSX S 750) but for the first time I came to understand electronics and its impact on performance. When you talk about clutch, exhaust, ECU programs, throttles, weather, you name it, it all comes to light! A BIG thank you for dedicating valuable time to this channel. You should seriously consider opening a graduate program!!! My sincere congrats...
@Mariano, thank you for the kind words and glad you enjoy our channel.
Looking forward to episode 4, great information!
They been talking years bringing back the 2 stroke with the EPA hardware, can't wait for that day to come. Great video Brock.
Excellent relaying of information!!! this stuff is so interesting. Thanks Brock....
Loving these episodes Brock. Keep up the great work :)
very good video Brock Big thank you for this details it's very very interessting to understand bikes these days!!
As always, excellent video Brock!!
and exup appeared on fzr back in 1990 when they named they bike Fzr1000exup and it's been there on Yamahas since then..
NICE ! I can't wait for episode 4 .
As always Brock and the brocks team is "out in front" pun intended great video guys keep up the good work
Thanks for sharing the knowledge- you will be my first stop when I finally get a new bike
Nice work Brock, greetings from the UK
Love it bro I'm learning so much here and it all makes sense
love your videos, just subscribed. I will keep watching your 2017 gsxr 1000 vids, as that's my next bike.
love it i can't wait for next video.
Wooow..! Great work on explaining in fine detail..! After watching your video now i want to buy Suzuk... keep up the good work ! From New Zealand 🇳🇿
AWESOME series +Brock Davidson, I really like what you are producing, can you also make episodes on kawasaki's and yamaha's and honda's and not restrict it to just suzuki.
keep up the good work.
Brock your awesome,.. i like watching your videos i learn something new every time
Very interesting Brock. I feel like a kid watching my favourtite movie.
Awesome video Brock! Thank you!
Great info👍I looking forward to the exhaust vid. Happy owner of a Suzuki & Beemer in Sweden.
your videos are great Brock, keep up the good work.
After that i feel very privileged to be the owner of a gixxer k6 1000 and boy do i love her. cheers from Australia.
Hi brock, i'm a european bike tuner... and i'm just impressed that how you share your knowledge with everyone, realy nice job! and very good explanation. Continue like this !
I've notice since the zx10r 2011 that the us models had bigger restriction than eu (on ignition and stp), and i've the same question in my mind : WHY?... maybe noise restriction i think.
If you have time and access , take a look on japanese or asian market mapping, they're also surprising 😅
Great explanation. I was wondering why in previous videos you were programming the throttle valve opening instead of getting rid of the secondary throttle plates. Ahh - throttle by wire with just 1 set of throttle blades. Makes sense to me now.
Very informative video! Thanks Brock's
Awesome Video!
More videos like this! very informative and interesting!
i like your video .... in japan the emission of throttle even more strict 2015 ninja h2 ,r1 , bmw s1000rr and much every motorcycle hit limit of 180 km/h
Love these videos! Keep em coming!!!
but for the highvis jacket-peddlers, its quite more than just "emissions, and noise regulations" . its more confinement, containment, fees (/greed) and control. all great work and vids tho. never stop, please more long hayabusa videos! :D
Thanks for doing these.
Awesome informative stuff, man.
Fantastic lessons.
Thanks Broc.
Nice informative video for sure, thanks.
Thank you brooks your good speech
daaaaaammm good video brock thank you , cant wait for next video, with the most awesome motorcycle BRAND ever build SUZUKI
Thouroughly enjoyed this.
Thanks for this video. It's really interesting to see how manufacturers pretty much have to release these models in a way that accommodates the lowest common denominator (Euro 4 & California) while also anticipating future changes like Euro5 so they don't need to redesign the whole thing in a year or two. Has there even been any significant changes to power/motors over the last decade? It looks like no one is going to crack that 185-200 mark (intentionally apparently) so they just draw out the yearly releases with more or less worthless changes like the addition of electronics, design changes, reducing weight, or things like VVT which I imagine is just another way to fine tune emissions/fuel consumption. How much longer can they beat around the bush and not add more power?
Love your vids!
Thanks Brock, great educational video. Truly amazing how USA regs have them choking the life out of it both at intake and exhaust. Can you give approximate average torque & hp increase on liter bikes with unrestricted performance exhaust, whether it be a percentage or actual number?
You have a very good attitude! It's almost infuriating for to see/hear some of this and I can't even afford such a new bike 😂
Love this
brock thank you for the extensive info concerning the us restrictions, very well presented.
what is the cost (ruffly) to eliminate al of the power robbing CA. induced gadgetry?
thanks again for your expertise
Hi Brock, a couple of questions if you could help, can you take the cylinder head off with engine in bike and also, our model has a black box under the injectors and the pipe from the fuel tank goes to it, can we remove black box and route the pipe from the fuel tank to bottom of injectors. Thanks for any help. Bob
Well done mate Great job keep it up. I watch your videos. This made me comment. Top of the lot 5stars
Hello, i have put a full yoshi system with a PCV on my 2017 GSXR 1000R. ive tried a few different things but my check engine light and FI light stay on..What do i have to do to get them to go OUT? flash maybe? Thanks for any info..
Hey Brock, even the 2005 Suzuki GSX-R 1000 has an ECU controlled exhaust valve !
At least in Europe, know it because my brother has removed his :D
Did you ever register a loss of torque in lower rpm-range after deactivating the exhaust control valve?
Same as Australia we thankfully get the euro bikes like on my ZX10r has stock 20 rwhp, (according to the dyno I had it on ) more than US version, that’s why I don’t watch US reviews on You Tube
the ninja 300 also has the secondary throttle valves. THE 3 HUNDRED!!!
Best tech info videos!
Dropping knowledge!
see you next episode👍
Brock, i have a gixxer 600 k1. Is there any affortable mods i should do to it to get engine optimized and some more power?
Mods done so far: yoshi t.r.s shorten can
Tre mod
K&n panel filter
@Brock do you sell ready flashed ECU I have the Gsxr 1000R with R11 Slip on what makes the best performance tune up I’m in the United Kingdom please help me out I’d like to remove all the restrictions on my bike apart from the top speed limiter
kinda mad now that i bought a sc project s1 slip on . for my s1000rr when i should have waited and bought a brock Ti exhaust
My 2002 Honda CBR 954RR had valve in the exhaust , but no cat.
Brock Quick question. I have a early 2007 GSXR 750. How is mine restricted? I ride the roads but fast. What can i do to de restrict my Susuki? I have been doing my research but to no avail. Point me in the correct direction please @Brock @everybody. Thanks 👍
Thank you bro
Another funny thing is, over here in Asia, the speedos on our superbikes only go up to 299 km/h so if you get your bike tuned/de-restricted and you try to go flat out, the Speedo will stop at 299 but your bike will keep accelerating lol. Very informative video by the way. Thanks! (Does this early-closing electronic throttle valves restriction apply to the MT/FZ-09? I have a feeling we get CA spec bikes here for some weird reason since mine came with CA emissions equipment. I'm about to get my ECU flashed next week and I sure hope those guys will know to rectify that.)
@MrFriday00, yes MT/FZ-09 same deal with the US vs. EU ETV mapping. US shuts down throttle blades early...
Could it be fuel Ron?
Us vs Eu?
Actually the EXUP valve has been around since 1989 with the then new FZR1000
Question Brock,...Do you know if that means we Canadians get the same emissions Disasters installed into our ECU's??? Most Probably, if I were to guess. Thank you.
Ready to see it on the strip once your done. 👍🏾 hurry up lol
My question is a little different but I'm in a spot where I can get a bachelor business degree or do a Ducati mechanic school. Which would you recommend? I absolutely love motorcycles and enjoy working on them but I've been told it's better not to turn a hobby into a job. What do you think?
My son just graduated college with a business degree. He has been enjoying motorcycles and learning about them, at his leisure, for years.
I just removed the cables from the exhaust valves, i want to make sure it will always stay open right?
Yes. The spring in the butterfly assembly will naturally hold it open once the cables are removed. It's best to pull your muffler to verify that it's in the open position by physical/visual inspection.
These videos from are very well filmed -edited and informative. I have a 2007 GSXR 600 with the EXCVA system in the exhaust and the secondary throttle valves, by removing the secondary blades and the valve in the exhaust I can tune my bike with a power commander or do I need my ECU flushed?
Thank you keep up the videos!
Very informative
You can tune through the power commander with the flies removed. That said, small gains can also be had from adding a flash.
@@BrockDavidson thank you very much for your reply!!
Best regards
If you're running a bike with wheel speed sensors and there is an option to shut them off in the flash kit, will it remove the top speed cap (186mph)? But, will it prevent the speedo from reading?
Not that we have seen. It typically just removes the codes thrown by the front wheel stopped and the rear wheel moving, but still allows the sensors to function normally.
always love to watch Brocks Videos
California and the EPA ........... please restrict yourself
Also I can’t find it anywhere but what numbers are you getting with this type of tune with your street track map on your most current BMW S1000RR?
We don't race Christine on pump gas, so we don't have pump gas numbers. That said, she made 193 on race gas here when we started this series (in differnt conditions): th-cam.com/video/NkNfmW44zuA/w-d-xo.html we will do a side-by-side, same day comparison soon.
I love Texas inspection. $8, does the lights work, does the horn work, does the turn signals work. You’re passed
very informative thanks California -_- ..!.
My bike is already OUT of Warranty...so No Sweat! (-;
And my Yoshi R-77 has no 'butterfly'.
The why is nobody can beat the Japanese at a fair playing game. Thanks Brock love your videos!
Keep a (cough) backup ecu (cough) in case you uh... (cough) blow it up.
Problem with that is, in BMW's case, they have become smart. They know guys do this, so they will give you a new one, but your old one wont work any more, and they keep track of it on their system, that is directly linked to Munich, Germany
EDW 845 yea, BMW is kind of a pain. I have one of their cars and when my battery was replaced it had to be matched to the ecu. Fortunately I was able to track down their tuning software online. Now my car does all kinds of cool stuff it didn't do from the factory. Lol
I bet there's a workaround for the bike ecu if you can get one off a wrecked bike or something.
András or you could get the key switch with the ECU.
We simply disable the immobilizer function in the ECU, then ECU's can be swapped between bikes...*but* the immobilizer security feature is lost. If the owner wishes to keep their immobilizer function, we can flash the ECU for that particular bike.
András That's not true, I just had Unitronic do an ECU replacement on a 2004 Jetta GLI. New ECU, +60hp, +90tq, same key. However don't know about the whole warranty part but I'm pretty sure ECU's can be swapped. It's just a computer bro.
Can please you let us know what you manage from pump gas before the race gas figures? Thanks!
@Braiden Clark, this entire series will be this detailed - start to finish. Race fuel is at the very end, to extract maximum performance. The frustration of waiting for final numbers will kill some viewers... they will just have to get used to it. We go through this process with every new model, it requires time and especially patience.
Awesome, so far its been super interesting!
Generally your fuel is a few RON lower.
The IoM TT lads are tight lipped on how much BHP they develop, the top teams cracked 205MPH (330 ish kph)down the Sulby Straight, 20mph over stock needs big power over stock.
Great info. thanks! You can bet Suzuki has some race parts available to let the top teams really fly.
HA, just watched your latest vid episode 6 (Part 1) and came back to to see if i'd guessed the BHP
I have a 2017 gsxr 750 ..not sure what my HP is ..I think 148hp..do you have supercharger for my bike?
We do not
Hey Brock, I got a question. What do you know about the 2015 S1kRR? Does it have throttle butterfly valve restrictions or does it open up to 100%. I have a slip on, P08 filter, and pcV tuned to 197whp. Im curious 1. if I have those restrictions stock 2. do you offer anything to remove those restrictions IF i have them stock.
I have the same bike as you have, and it does have those restrictions. I'm also in the process of having the ECU tinkered with, to have those restrictions removed. Keep in mind what Bock said in the video, it will VOID your warranty then, its to protect BMW from their clients, sort of. The throttle valve restrictions should show on the Dyno chart.
I was under the impression that the '15 s1k would only give you up to 80% throttle in 1-3 gears but after that it would open up too 100% for 4-6 gears. I looked at the Brock website and I didn't see any options for "tuning" a 15 s1k ecu.
were and how do they show on the dyno chart?
Brock how do I send you my ECU on my 2017 Gixxer 1000 I want to have you flash it ( track use only )
Give us a call 937-912-0054
may be the restriction it's for differencing de R versión?
@Chris C ETV mapping for the R version and the standard version are identical in the US model.
You talked about the exhaust valve, but never said what its purpose is? I took mine off of my bike day 1
It's for emissions and noise abatement.
More info: th-cam.com/video/MFRNjUMoDn4/w-d-xo.html
Brock's was like "fuck cali" 😂
G8RDun Brock!!!
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Yea if you flash it and somehow someway something goes wrong just habe the ecu flashed back to stock. Then after the fix have your tuner reflash hopefully for nothing. Worst comes to worst go on ebay for a spare stock ecu. Which im sure all of this brock knows but for promotional legal purposes he would never put on youtube lol
That's the power robbing valve 🤔🤔🤔🤔