Tekken G with Devil Jin because of the 2 rank difference I always face Lord of destruction players, even pro players like FATE JODD, Madara521, Exiist I even played against Momo Dog, Nino. I just can't reach Tekken G Supreme with Devil Jin its too hard, and my secondary characters are Kazuya, Reina and Jin I got all of them at Tekken King.
@@junlau780I think what makes Reina harder is that she’s so popular. No knowledge checking anymore. Asuka isn’t popular so people sometimes don’t know how to deal with her.
I want to point out that most of the higher ranks inflation is caused by the top top players playing off characters more than it is more people actually hitting these ranks. This is why it consistently goes up over time.
This might actually be very true. I have friends that are competitive, one that placed 65th at Evo and he plays characters off role and hits blue in like a day consistently. He has like 10 characters in blue. His mains being god of destruction or Tekken god
NotQuiteFactual, the guy who collects the replay data, confirmed this. He only checks for highest character rank recorded in those replays, not highest character rank a player has achieved in general. So yes, alt characters of high level players are inflating the numbers significantly.
Winrate is skewed because of player count for each character. Popular characters are expected to have bottom winrates as they have a lot of "new players" in the scene dragging down the statistic. If a popular character has mid winrate it means the character is really strong. If an unpopular character has below mid winrate it means the character is weak.
Yes and no. For example Xiayou was complained about how broken she is, yet she was like bottom 5 or so in both usage and win rates in the first few months. Then now she is around the middle in both, despite they barely touched her, and those very mostly nerfs. So there is small correlation. But it could be that other character's balance changes (in this case maybe Azu nerfs?) make many players switch or just some matchups are suddenly easier.
@@LordViktorHun88 Possible. But if xiaoyu first couple of months playrate is low + winrate is low too then it just means she's weak in Tekken 8. Lacking somehow for rank. Especially those early months. It might be the case that she's S or A tier at pro level, but at most average player ranges, she's not too good.
Xiaoyu is not a good example because she is a specialist character she is good, but not particularly beginner friendly.. so if you picked her up for being cute youll probably end up losing a lot but if you are familiar with her tools you can absolutely rip with her
I got decimated by a blue tank ling…was probably the first time I got a taste of why people hate her. I put my pad down and let them beat me final round 😅 I was done
@@ruikiriya I remember when I first played her and I was struggling at a 40% win rate and beginner to 3rd dan. Then I watched soooooo many videos and just shot up to red. Now I’m fujin with 60% win rate she’s so fun but I feel like I would’ve been better if I chose someone like dragonuv
That’s pretty much why Reina’s win rate has been so abysmally low. I’ve seen so many people pick up the game SOLELY for Reina, and that’s probably the biggest contribution to why her win loss is floored, not because she’s bad at all.
You can’t say that for everyone like kaz because he has one of the lowest win rate even in high ranks so this argument doesn’t apply to all characters.
It does actually mean something. High rank player played a ton of this game with different people and matchups most likely and just overall spent a shitton of time in ranked
Most of the time it does tho. Anyone with anything over 230k TP usually means he at least reached Tekken King with one character. Of course you can also get high prowess using multiple characters at blue rank but that's still decent. Means you can use basic offense with multiple characters. Of course a 180k Raijin isn't the same as a 280k Raijin. It still means something. 180k Raijin is still better than what, 140k Purple rank. For the most part the ranks / prowess combined is pretty accurate. I have 230k+ TP but when I went to my buddies house he had like 170kTP Raijin and I played, it was a whole different ball game. We don't even face the same people. It does matter but you have to also consider TP when talking about rank. I guess Tekken Power means what league you play in. So yeah, you can be champion of minor leagues it don't mean you'll be champ of the premier league. So again, yeah, it does matter and it does say something. I usually go by TP then rank. Gotta combine the two.
I was looking for someone to comment on this! Man said Jun is awful… Bruh, what Jun players does he fight? Also she is not bottom 10 either. She is definitely A tier.
@@darkmage907 literally being able to shut down most offense that isnt pixel perfect with the threat of a safe launcher that resets neutral in her favor cannot be understated.
Yeah, both because people who are more dedicated to the game are more likely to play unpopular characters, and also because the more popular a character is the more everyone else becomes familiar with the matchup. As one of the horde of king players, I could REALLY feel it when the game first came out. Even in middle ranks people started to learn his counter-play really quickly and thoroughly because they'd match kings more than anyone else.
I can easily explain Devil jin having higher win rates than jin: Devil jin players Are specialists. They’ve been eating, sleeping, and breathing the character since Tekken 5, usually. Whereas many jin players have chosen to play him for their first entry character in the game due to his protagonist status. Naturally, the majority of devil jin players are going to be far more skilled Tekken players than the majority of jin players. The math adds up. Very, VERY few newcomers are choosing devil jin because he’s quite weak, and he’s overall the second hardest character to pilot next to kazuya.
@@narratorbaba9957 vehemently disagree. I play both characters in gold ranks. I can whiff punish with d3+4 with DJ, and I have panic tools with b3 and u4, if I read my opponent is going to Jab check or try to pressure. Kazuya has to whiff punish with electric and doesn’t have panic tools. He’s definitely stronger than devil jin. But he’s also certainly harder to pilot.
No other character is as obnoxious as King with his Throws .. unless they give him one button electrics that are mids and super easy hell sweep his probably going to be mid tier like the other 2 DLCs
First off, Heihachi is a DLC. I highly doubt even 50 percent of players who own the game will buy DLC, especially casuals. Second, Heihachi whilst very popular, he wasn't even top 10 in previous games in terms of usage. That's usually because he's the highest execution demanding character, and unless they tone down his difficulty he won't change the stats all that much
Genuine question, what is the Jun counter play? Ever since her nerfs/ changes I have no clue what the hell to do against her but I never labbed her bc I rarely run into a Jun.
@@michaelpacheco6549 There are a lot but you just have to practice. So her izzumo stance, you can SSR block or SSR duck as an option select. Her lows are weak and punishable. There will be different character matchups too. If you play more of a poking style against her, then she's going to struggle. She does well when characters press into her and try to pressure, so don't pressure her too much IMO
Very valid point, and your comment needs more recognition. The same goes for all the other ranks that were GIVEN to the characters that never earned them. It really needs to be fixed
@@ThisManOfCulture7440 yea so that’s just something I’ve noticed and now all my players are rajin and I haven’t played with none of them😭so at least with the people that hit the two highest ranks them blue ranks to me is flawed
This my first tekkan and I have been playing with Azucena and have a lot to learn and kinda struggling I really appreciate the motivational speech at the end
Asuka seems like the baseline mid, its kinda interesting. She (along with Lili and Reina, in my experience) really tells more about the player fundamentals and not the character. If you meet one of them they are either really good or really bad. That's maybe why they are popular but doesn't have high winrates like Jin or King.
Agreed. Just picked up the game a few days ago and started with Asuka. Got my ass handed to me when I first picked up online games. Took me a while to learn some of the basics, like sidestepping, ducking, low blocks, timing and mixing up my own attacks...theres a ton to learn for a beginner. Loving the journey though! I can tell that the more I learn, the more fun the game gets! Got to the rank of Combatant after just 2 days, which I'm very happy with. Absolutely hate throws in this game though, they go off way too fast XD
I was tekken king at one point, then dropped aaaaaaallll the way down to mighty ruler. It sucks cuz if you take a few days off you really lose it. Im fujin right now. Haven’t gotten back higher than raijin since my drop. Been a king main since day 0
Claudio main here 😅. I'm spilling the tea now cus I've been steady at 60% w/r. I think he's so rare people just do not understand him, but the secret is he's deceptively pokey and does extreme damage with few inputs.... U+4 is arguably the best launcher in the game, period. It's fast and has outrageous range. B+1 has silly range and he backs up in the process making retaliation an afterthought. B+3+4 can literally dodge a hit mid string and punish with 35 damage. ------ My second thought is that people seem to doubt that he's a poke character and back up trying to figure out what he does only to play into his kit and get launched or backhanded a million times... Anyways, to my other Claudio heroes I'm sorry but I had to share!
People need to understand that the win rate is not the be all end all indicator of which characters are insanely strong and which characters are weak in comparison. Most people use tier lists to decide which char to use. Chars like Jin, King and Drag are popular for a reason. The win rates are lower for chars like Jin, King and drag because weak players are picking them up. They are still being carried, and end up going further up the ranks due to the strong tools these chars possess. Saying chars like Jin, King and Drag are ok due to the win rate is a very shortsighted stance and kind of delusional tbh. No offense.
I love your videos but they would honestly be so much better if you included your own gameplay as background footage instead of the same tekken trailers, it ca literally just be stream highlights or some ranked games you go in to record just for the video either way it would be a huge improvement
As a jun main I really be wining my matchups against drags and Nina’s quite often. There’s not many things that she does great atm after her nerfs but all I can do is be tricky with my set ups and parries which gets me pretty far. Always going for wall carry combos and maximum damage too.
If you’re not a really good or competitive level Tekken player, Azucena and Jin type character la will seem bad. But in reality. Azu is a very solid and a great character to help new players understand different aspects of Tekkken and a great character for those who like to specialize a character that has gimmicks.
As a Yoshi main since T7 S2, the newer players have NO IDEA how crazy it is to have Yoshi not just powerful in T8.... but ALSO one of the most popular characters in high ranked matches. I'm currently a Tekken God Yoshi and climbing
Ive been stuck in mighty and flame ruler for 3 months, got demoted to tenryu twice almost down to shinryu and now im finally fujin with yoshimitsu after learning patience 💪🏽🤦🏽♂️taking a break from ranked now
@@swolsauce9923 She requires all of her kit to be utilized. If you are predictable with reina, the enemy will destroy you in the coming rounds. She requires all the mishima fundamentals, good timing, spacing, execution and her heaven's wrath stance (although the strongest) can be interrupted pretty easily with a powercrush unless she's in heat. More than that, her lows aren't as bad as people say but they do not have the equal amount of reward like most characters do.
@@swolsauce9923 consistently hitting electrics, hit confirms, stance transitions, etc. If you dont do these things she gets real predictable real quick
Dude, you're so wrong about Azucena you have no idea. The character is strong! I have a lot of fun breaking people's skulls with her crouch throw. Tekken King with 64% win rate. VAMOS!
the bottom line rule in any competitive game is that unless you're at the highest rank or being one of the best, what you think of good or bad is irrelevant. also applies to data
5:15 yes also I don’t feel like learning a whole other character, I sometimes want to play someone else but then dread the thought of doing all the work again
Take it in baby steps. Learn a few moves, practice each of them 10-30x until you feel reasonably sure you've memorized and flawlessly input them, then go try them out in Arcade Battle or Ghost Battle. This approach worked for me.
Im at Garyu rn with 2 characters only because i want to learn them and use them effectively to a point where its muscle memory and then try out new characters as well. Tekken has a great variety of characters and play style and adds a lot of replay ability because of it. Also Devil, almost Devil Jins Ive played either spam 121, hell sweep or play special mode..
I think the easiest way to explain it is the most popular characters also seeing a lot more light in lower ranks with teir pickers and get players causing the disparity. The low rates are from them
I think its interesting to see that popularity seems to correlate with lower winrate. I heard a few people say that they much rather play a character they dont know against a character they know, then the reverse. Playing matchups you arent familiar with basically mans autoloss the first 10 maybe more games, learned that again when matching into lydia after a longer break
I’ve seen a lot of players in blue ranks who play like beginners , spamming power crush and heat burst followed by heat smash then rage art, I genuinely don’t think blue ranks are good players anymore, unless they are using some difficult characters or at least show some good fundamentals with any character, like proper whiff punish or good mixups or even clean movement and sidesteps
Great video, with how it’s always interesting to delve into statistics like these. Although I don’t think a low winrate rules out people tier picking at all. You mentioned as to how it would be significantly easier for a person to opt for Panda instead of Jin, but despite the gimmick factor, she is still widely known to be one of if not the weakest character in the game right now, where as much as her general design does have a very limited appeal, people who are purely aiming for wins would definitely just opt for whoever’s considered top tier as opposed to something like that. When it comes to other characters with low play rates, namely Leroy, Zafina and Raven, the fact that there has been the general impression that those characters are on the weaker side, especially initially, surely would have impacted their play rates too. Granted, you could mention how weird some of the those characters are to actually play, but so is Yoshimitsu, but he’s being picked due to just how strong he actually is, and that checks out with how readily people pick him at much higher ranks too. Reina’s, Dragonuv’s, and especially Azucena’s and Devil Jin’s play rates are emblematic of characters purely falling off due to their actual competitive strength as characters. King being tier-picked as opposed to his universal appeal as a character can be argued, due to the disparities in play rates from the overall statistics, and the higher ranked ones, but Jin is most certainly being tier picked in his entirety (as someone who’s also been contemplating playing Jin with how painstaking my main Devil Jin has been lately.). He’s literally the most picked character in higher ranks, where he’s managed to side step most nerfs, and he’s the combination of being good at literally everything and being incredibly easy and intuitive to use. Jin’s low winrate just showcases that the more popular a character is, the more people understand the match up, and the higher the chance worse players will end up piloting the character. If someone tier picked Jin, it’s often to compensate with their lack of Tekken fundamentals to begin with, and it’s going to show in their winrate. But in saying that, with Jin being the strongest character they could essentially pick right now, will being incredibly easy to use too, it’s not like that’ll be enough to deter people.
The way you inflect your voice, as well as the way you structured your script feels a lot like a Borderlands youtuber named Joltzdude. I can't get it out of my head lol. Not a bad thing, though. I like that guy..
If you get Azucena or Jun to Tekken God, you are cracked. Same with like Panda. Plus, those characters are additionally so rare at those levels that people aren't as good on the matchup, which is an extra benefit. Makes total sense they would have such high winrates in those ranks.
my goal is tekken god, once i hit it i will continue i dont care on losing it. if i get higher that's a bonus since to hit anything over tekken god is how much time you play and i like to play other games.
I’m currently working on getting Claudio to Fujin and it’s shocking the lack of tools he has compared to Drag, Feng, Jin, Paul, Bryan basically 3/4 of the roster.
The reason why characters like King and Jin have such a low win rate is because of the amount of people using them. Beginner players who don't really know what they're doing are picking these characters at a high rate and losing a lot. It doesn't mean that the players are struggling; they don't know what they're doing. There are a lot of good King and Jin players also but the new players drag the average down. Both characters are very strong and have been top characters since launch.
I don’t think he takes into account that most players even in top ranks have no idea what to do against Azucena and everyone with the highest win rates
Have you noticed the gap in winrate at TG+ ranks between Kazuya and Zafina? It's just HUGE. Because Zafina is just bottom 2 char right now just after DJ.
As a King main in a Tekken where aggressiveness is the go to strat Most time of a match you're blocking and trying to read people's moves since he has a lack of evasion moves His back dash is horrible his sidestep is aight but it doesn't help that they made most strings track You barely get any turns and when you do you have to make the most of it otherwise you'll continue to get bombarded and pressured into oblivion
Leo’s got Paul syndrome where if you lab em for a good hour you kinda get a good solid idea of what they want to do and it makes their gameplans 10x harder. The problem is just wanting to lab them. Once you understand their gameplan and what they struggle with from a first hand experience, its not as bad since you get an idea of the thought process.
Yeah I question if it's worth labbing him because she's so rare to see online, but every time matched against them he makes me regret not labbing her sooner, they're such a knowledge check some times
Panda win rate is high because many don’t know the matchup and the few who stick it out with her get really good. Reina has the lowest because all the noobs are picking her
@@akitzarshe is not so hard to pilot lol at one point she had a higher winrate from blue ranks and higher. low winrate overall because casual players will pick her up. once they learn how to use her, players will get more comfortable
@@TomiokaGiyuus97 That's just wrong, she has to use a bigger part of her moveset than most characters and she's just... pretty damn hard. No big cheesy moves for reina players when everyone know she’s easily side steppable (especially after ff2 nerf) and her stances can be interrupted in all sorts of ways. so you gotta know at least 2 stances perfectly + her electrics if you want to be half decent with the character. that’s not even including learning wavu wavu, utilizing her poking, handling her subpar lows, and more. i mean the fact that she’s a mishima and not jin should of already told u enough. also obviously yeah she has higher win rates at higher ranks she requires more dialed in players since those are the only one who are willing to stick around to learn enormous amount of hours to her, which is way more than other characters, so just cause she has higher win rates at higher ranks doesn’t = not hard to pilot as a character as a whole. my point stands, it’s not even like i gotta do research i know this first hand im tekken king wit her so i know what im talkin about. i mean do you really know her as a character and the process of using her? this is pretty common knowledge in the tekken community so it shouldn’t be a surprise to what im sayin so im very curious to know what ur rank is
@@akitzarI’m ngl I learned her 4 days ago and I’m already like 5000 points from max rank already 😭 I didn’t even use any of her stances really unless I use moves that put me in stance (ws1 for example)
The more popular a character is the more you will have people winning and also losing a lot... jin is a great character, buy even if someone with no skills picks him up, he is going to lose a lot.. just like Reina is pretty good but her win rate suffers from so many people trying her out
My theory on why most popular characters are lower in the win rate, also may be with new players picking them up and learning the character your going to lose a lot.
The winrate vs pickrate inverse relationship is fairly unsurprising -- I play against 4 kings and 3 reinas for every 1 match against anyone else. When a character is as insufferably popular as any of these, people end up learning the matchup, even if they don't spend much time labbing (if at all). IMO that doesn't make it "hard" for those characters -- it just means that you have large chunks of bad players who play the exact same way on certain characters. Gimmicks/basic knowledge checks work against newer/more casual players, but they *aren't* taking wins against anyone remotely decent. So we end up with a bunch of people playing a few specific characters that get smacked every time they play someone remotely decent. Whole lotta Ls on those chars as a result.
The main reason people disregard any opinion from a jin main, is not necessarily relevant to the fact that Jim got completely dumbed down, nor that he's the strongest char in the game. It's mostly due to the extreme downplaying from his mains. And that was the case in T7, where he was clearly top tier, and not too hard compared to 5/6/Tag2, and they were religiously calling him mid, crying for the "big nerfs" and snobbing about his "uber difficulty". And now, in 8, there's a much stronger, yet extremely simpler version of him, and they argue about him being "top15" or "arguably top10" and that he's "doing not well in tournaments" 🤣 They had already lost almost every ounce of credibility by T8, but it has become embarrassingly funny at this point.
@@Dr.Happy11but weren’t the data showing that Jin in t7 had more losses than wins??? And his reach in t7 was abysmal like u could whiff so many key punishment tools so often because this mofo don’t want to rotated fully for a punch and rather want to have T. rex arms
@@Dr.Happy11the thing about T7 Jin was that he was a top tier IN THEORY, because his tools had such high execution, he was strong technically but unable to be played practically in ranked, especially by normal players. So both tier list and "Downplayers" were right, but in different ways. T8 Jin is just stupid flowchart fckfest so downplaying him is just remnant of t7
@@damndatscrazyyy940 His winrate is trash now as well, and he's top3 and simpler than a pre-school sudoku, if not top1. I'll ignore you even brought up this point, because it works against you. You see, he actually had a quarter of a downside in T7. Taking into account how strong his jab/df1 strings were, it made sense he had shorter range, even though that slightly affected his punish game negatively. Fair trade right? And yet his i10,12 and 13 were still great, when properly used. Not to mention his i14 long range safe wall bounce punisher, along with his i14 standing and crouch launchers. He was privileged as hell before, just took some brain power to utilize. But they had to give him 3 meter jabs in T8, cause Namco couldn't stand their whinyass fans. 💀 Not to mention his only weak point, his ws punishers against pokes (-11 to -13 lows) got beefed up like hell. It's a joke at this point. Meanwhile, there were actual characters with "punishment problems", especially when compared to Jim's, like Miguel (worse i10 than Jim by a mile, bad ws until his 2,4/2,2 launcher), Maven (everything was actual trash in terms of range, hitboxes and frames, apart from her ws1, which was still a worse version than Jim's), Yoshi (doodoo jab and hopkick, bad options frame and damage-wise until i14, but he could launch specific safe moves, with sufficient braincells) , Steve (great poke punishers, trash beyond that point), Zafina (great i13, the rest was eh), Shaheen (his punishers got nerfed for no reason lmao), Bears (don't even get me started), and yet you didn't hear even a third of the complaints from their mains *combined* .
As yoshimitsu main since the end t7 he's play rate rtn is crazy .(that what being S tier do i guess) Edit : i kinda want them to nerf him into the groud lol
If more people are playing a character then more people will know how to play against that character it doesn’t matter if they are a better character or not tier picking is still a thing
I almost hit MR from garyu in 1 day but i havent played ranked mode in months probably.. I like shinryu bc of the design and color so once i hit top tenryu and dropped back shinryu (thanks alisas ) i just stayed
@@kwaheri466 im so bad as a raven main 🤣🤣🤣 I apprediate the offer. I tend to get off work midnight CST unless I get some OT but yea we can run it if you want just send your Tekken8 name
People keep saying ranked is shot because they’ll play against people that they shouldn’t be, when in reality, you’ll have to beat them at some point. Stop making excuses for your own inadequacy
I think honestly the game is in decent shape at best, there's still the issue of dlc characters costing money to lab, and customization still sucks, but as long as they buff devil jin next patch I'll be happy
People are losing with jin, king and reina because their mains are just dumb and love to mash. I mean lets not hide it. They get carried with broken dumb shit then get stuck because they get countered. At that point their winrate keeps dropping.
I got Fujin today! I got it with Dragunov, so I guess it's like Mighty Ruler with any other charcter. How "good" does having Fujin make me? Top 1/4th? Top 30%?
Because people think that data is capable of telling them everything, and if they don't act like it does, then they'll be treated like arrogant scrubs. They don't know that data can only tell you what it is set up to show.
@@genzo454 Yeah, plus there are multiple reasons behind the statistics. I've seen and heard people jump to some pretty crazy conclusions based on this shit.
My tekken rank is kisshin with 227,000 Tekken prowess and I’ve beaten people at every level , including god of destruction but generally, it gets hard for me when I play people that tekken prowess of 250,000 or 260,000 TP… sometimes , depending on the player , it feels hard when I play with ppl that are just at 240,000. Generally , I don’t consider someone that much more skilled than me at the game unless their tekken prowess is at least 30,000 more than mines. To me, that’s a pretty big skill gap.. or at least it’s supposed to be. I beat tekken kings pretty easily though… and I don’t play ranked enough so yea .
What do you guys think about these recent statistics? What rank have you gotten up to?
Mighty ruler with Reina (stuck here)
Raijin with Asuka (stuck here)
Kishin with paul (progress slowed down)
Fujin with claudio (if i put more time i could definetly get to bushin)
Tekken G with Devil Jin because of the 2 rank difference I always face Lord of destruction players, even pro players like FATE JODD, Madara521, Exiist I even played against Momo Dog, Nino. I just can't reach Tekken G Supreme with Devil Jin its too hard, and my secondary characters are Kazuya, Reina and Jin I got all of them at Tekken King.
@@junlau780I think what makes Reina harder is that she’s so popular. No knowledge checking anymore. Asuka isn’t popular so people sometimes don’t know how to deal with her.
@@Boogard tekken emperor with Kazuya working to get tekken god before school starts in 2 weeks
I want to point out that most of the higher ranks inflation is caused by the top top players playing off characters more than it is more people actually hitting these ranks. This is why it consistently goes up over time.
This might actually be very true. I have friends that are competitive, one that placed 65th at Evo and he plays characters off role and hits blue in like a day consistently. He has like 10 characters in blue. His mains being god of destruction or Tekken god
NotQuiteFactual, the guy who collects the replay data, confirmed this. He only checks for highest character rank recorded in those replays, not highest character rank a player has achieved in general. So yes, alt characters of high level players are inflating the numbers significantly.
wow, makes my Mighty Ruler achievement feel good.
Exactly, I always fight GoD people playing their subs in Fujin and its really unfair.
it's because these stats are wrong.
Winrate is skewed because of player count for each character. Popular characters are expected to have bottom winrates as they have a lot of "new players" in the scene dragging down the statistic. If a popular character has mid winrate it means the character is really strong. If an unpopular character has below mid winrate it means the character is weak.
Yes and no.
For example Xiayou was complained about how broken she is, yet she was like bottom 5 or so in both usage and win rates in the first few months.
Then now she is around the middle in both, despite they barely touched her, and those very mostly nerfs. So there is small correlation.
But it could be that other character's balance changes (in this case maybe Azu nerfs?) make many players switch or just some matchups are suddenly easier.
@@LordViktorHun88 Possible. But if xiaoyu first couple of months playrate is low + winrate is low too then it just means she's weak in Tekken 8. Lacking somehow for rank. Especially those early months. It might be the case that she's S or A tier at pro level, but at most average player ranges, she's not too good.
Xiaoyu is not a good example because she is a specialist character she is good, but not particularly beginner friendly.. so if you picked her up for being cute youll probably end up losing a lot but if you are familiar with her tools you can absolutely rip with her
I got decimated by a blue tank ling…was probably the first time I got a taste of why people hate her. I put my pad down and let them beat me final round 😅 I was done
@@ruikiriya I remember when I first played her and I was struggling at a 40% win rate and beginner to 3rd dan. Then I watched soooooo many videos and just shot up to red. Now I’m fujin with 60% win rate she’s so fun but I feel like I would’ve been better if I chose someone like dragonuv
Counterpoint: The winrates are low BECAUSE they're so popular. That means beginners are picking them and trashing the stats
That’s pretty much why Reina’s win rate has been so abysmally low. I’ve seen so many people pick up the game SOLELY for Reina, and that’s probably the biggest contribution to why her win loss is floored, not because she’s bad at all.
You can’t say that for everyone like kaz because he has one of the lowest win rate even in high ranks so this argument doesn’t apply to all characters.
I'm pretty sure my run with king last night is the sole reason his win rate is so low
@@8minato Kazuya is easy to start with but it turns out to be a trap and you're screwed
Its not even a counterpoint. its the objective truth. but somehow tekken ytbers just ignore this in every video.
Rank doesn't mean crap because of the prowess system.
It does actually mean something. High rank player played a ton of this game with different people and matchups most likely and just overall spent a shitton of time in ranked
@@aren5900 then i queue as a orange dvj against a red brian that is a raijin
Most of the time it does tho. Anyone with anything over 230k TP usually means he at least reached Tekken King with one character.
Of course you can also get high prowess using multiple characters at blue rank but that's still decent. Means you can use basic offense with multiple characters.
Of course a 180k Raijin isn't the same as a 280k Raijin. It still means something. 180k Raijin is still better than what, 140k Purple rank.
For the most part the ranks / prowess combined is pretty accurate.
I have 230k+ TP but when I went to my buddies house he had like 170kTP Raijin and I played, it was a whole different ball game. We don't even face the same people. It does matter but you have to also consider TP when talking about rank. I guess Tekken Power means what league you play in. So yeah, you can be champion of minor leagues it don't mean you'll be champ of the premier league. So again, yeah, it does matter and it does say something. I usually go by TP then rank. Gotta combine the two.
For real. I hate that shit. It’s not a true test of skill when you’re constantly going against players as experienced as you
@@Ti_Firelisten to yourself, bro. The only true test of skill is how well you can beat people less experienced than you? What...?
Calling Jun bottom 5 when CanCan is literally one of the best panick buttons in this game is a crazy take.
Where would you put her then
He called her bottom 10 dumbazz
Yep, she's still a pressure monster. Azu is bad, but I'd put Jun in A tier for sure
I was looking for someone to comment on this! Man said Jun is awful… Bruh, what Jun players does he fight? Also she is not bottom 10 either. She is definitely A tier.
@@darkmage907 literally being able to shut down most offense that isnt pixel perfect with the threat of a safe launcher that resets neutral in her favor cannot be understated.
I always think of ranked as this
"We're all fucking crabs in a bucket and I brought the old bay seasoning."
i dont get it
@justsumguy8193 aren't you supposed to be in school?
@@Ro-fw3lc no, are you?
@justsumguy8193 how are you graduated and don't know what this saying means? Have you not seen dracula flow?
your from marryland arnt you
As always, the biggest factor on winrates is popularity. The most popular characters are almost always the lowest win rates and vice versa.
Yeah, both because people who are more dedicated to the game are more likely to play unpopular characters, and also because the more popular a character is the more everyone else becomes familiar with the matchup.
As one of the horde of king players, I could REALLY feel it when the game first came out. Even in middle ranks people started to learn his counter-play really quickly and thoroughly because they'd match kings more than anyone else.
I can easily explain Devil jin having higher win rates than jin:
Devil jin players Are specialists. They’ve been eating, sleeping, and breathing the character since Tekken 5, usually. Whereas many jin players have chosen to play him for their first entry character in the game due to his protagonist status. Naturally, the majority of devil jin players are going to be far more skilled Tekken players than the majority of jin players. The math adds up. Very, VERY few newcomers are choosing devil jin because he’s quite weak, and he’s overall the second hardest character to pilot next to kazuya.
Well said, Buff Guy.
my kazuya goat has spoken
Yeah that makes sense one of your better takes
Devil jin is much harder than kazuya since tekken7 last patch
@@narratorbaba9957 vehemently disagree. I play both characters in gold ranks. I can whiff punish with d3+4 with DJ, and I have panic tools with b3 and u4, if I read my opponent is going to Jab check or try to pressure. Kazuya has to whiff punish with electric and doesn’t have panic tools. He’s definitely stronger than devil jin. But he’s also certainly harder to pilot.
In high blues> King/ Emperor, seeing multiple -1000+ points get drained from your account… that’s real pain right there.
Tell me about it 😔
The real pain are the High blue/emperor players not rematching because they value SO much some imaginary numbers
Dont play for points, play to get better and wins
"Don't play Devil Jin, don't do that to yourself" - You're not my real dad! I'll suffer and like it thank you!
"It's not a phase, Dad!"
(Tekken 8 Story mode happens)
"Ok, it was a phase I guess"
When Heihachi drops that character popularity chart is gonna look different. King better watch out lol
The only ppl who need watch out are the other mishinas
@@stevenwayne3701DVJ 😢
No other character is as obnoxious as King with his Throws .. unless they give him one button electrics that are mids and super easy hell sweep his probably going to be mid tier like the other 2 DLCs
Heihachi is not very popular, compared to Armor King
First off, Heihachi is a DLC. I highly doubt even 50 percent of players who own the game will buy DLC, especially casuals. Second, Heihachi whilst very popular, he wasn't even top 10 in previous games in terms of usage. That's usually because he's the highest execution demanding character, and unless they tone down his difficulty he won't change the stats all that much
Jun is not awful. One of the biggest lies being perpetrated. Azucena is not weak either. Biggest lies and misconceptions being committed right now.
Exactly, like I don’t play either and I wouldn’t say they’re OP, but they’re definitely not weak
Genuine question, what is the Jun counter play? Ever since her nerfs/ changes I have no clue what the hell to do against her but I never labbed her bc I rarely run into a Jun.
@@michaelpacheco6549 There are a lot but you just have to practice. So her izzumo stance, you can SSR block or SSR duck as an option select. Her lows are weak and punishable. There will be different character matchups too. If you play more of a poking style against her, then she's going to struggle. She does well when characters press into her and try to pressure, so don't pressure her too much IMO
They're not op either though so don't act like they are
@@funkrates4778 w advice
The fujin rank might be flawed because when I hit TGS all my other players became fujin so I believe that happens with everyone that hits TGS and GOD
Very valid point, and your comment needs more recognition. The same goes for all the other ranks that were GIVEN to the characters that never earned them. It really needs to be fixed
@@ThisManOfCulture7440 yea so that’s just something I’ve noticed and now all my players are rajin and I haven’t played with none of them😭so at least with the people that hit the two highest ranks them blue ranks to me is flawed
This my first tekkan and I have been playing with Azucena and have a lot to learn and kinda struggling I really appreciate the motivational speech at the end
Asuka seems like the baseline mid, its kinda interesting. She (along with Lili and Reina, in my experience) really tells more about the player fundamentals and not the character. If you meet one of them they are either really good or really bad.
That's maybe why they are popular but doesn't have high winrates like Jin or King.
Agreed. Just picked up the game a few days ago and started with Asuka. Got my ass handed to me when I first picked up online games.
Took me a while to learn some of the basics, like sidestepping, ducking, low blocks, timing and mixing up my own attacks...theres a ton to learn for a beginner.
Loving the journey though! I can tell that the more I learn, the more fun the game gets! Got to the rank of Combatant after just 2 days, which I'm very happy with.
Absolutely hate throws in this game though, they go off way too fast XD
Claudio is very strong and has oppressive buttons and hitboxes, he's not op but I'm not surprised he's high up there with Shaheen
"Don't give up on your character!"
Me, a Reina player: 🤕
I don’t understand how I lose so many points, if my opponent is a higher rank than me. 😵💫
Because you can win more point?
What sucks is playing against lower ranked players gives higher ranked players little points
I was tekken king at one point, then dropped aaaaaaallll the way down to mighty ruler. It sucks cuz if you take a few days off you really lose it. Im fujin right now. Haven’t gotten back higher than raijin since my drop. Been a king main since day 0
I'm willing to bet that Azucena 's win rate is solely due to Tk_Bilal Kaka. That man has an insane Azucena.
He is why i still play azu
Him and Kaizur are so fun to watch
And shes toxic asf to play against
Claudio main here 😅. I'm spilling the tea now cus I've been steady at 60% w/r. I think he's so rare people just do not understand him, but the secret is he's deceptively pokey and does extreme damage with few inputs.... U+4 is arguably the best launcher in the game, period. It's fast and has outrageous range. B+1 has silly range and he backs up in the process making retaliation an afterthought. B+3+4 can literally dodge a hit mid string and punish with 35 damage. ------ My second thought is that people seem to doubt that he's a poke character and back up trying to figure out what he does only to play into his kit and get launched or backhanded a million times... Anyways, to my other Claudio heroes I'm sorry but I had to share!
Yoshi is OP. I have never thought so many Yoshis im my entire Tekken days.
His damage is insane now compared to what it used to be like.
His win rates are low, he's popular because he's fun now
People need to understand that the win rate is not the be all end all indicator of which characters are insanely strong and which characters are weak in comparison.
Most people use tier lists to decide which char to use. Chars like Jin, King and Drag are popular for a reason.
The win rates are lower for chars like Jin, King and drag because weak players are picking them up. They are still being carried, and end up going further up the ranks due to the strong tools these chars possess.
Saying chars like Jin, King and Drag are ok due to the win rate is a very shortsighted stance and kind of delusional tbh. No offense.
The Buff Guy did a great video recently explaining this.
I love your videos but they would honestly be so much better if you included your own gameplay as background footage instead of the same tekken trailers, it ca literally just be stream highlights or some ranked games you go in to record just for the video either way it would be a huge improvement
You are so consistent with the videos, go on bro and this is hopefully gonna be your full time Job just like you want it!💯🔥
As a jun main I really be wining my matchups against drags and Nina’s quite often. There’s not many things that she does great atm after her nerfs but all I can do is be tricky with my set ups and parries which gets me pretty far. Always going for wall carry combos and maximum damage too.
I'm a rajin steve main and I'm happy with my rank, its so difficult to play steve in blue ranks
If you’re not a really good or competitive level Tekken player, Azucena and Jin type character la will seem bad. But in reality. Azu is a very solid and a great character to help new players understand different aspects of Tekkken and a great character for those who like to specialize a character that has gimmicks.
As a Yoshi main since T7 S2, the newer players have NO IDEA how crazy it is to have Yoshi not just powerful in T8.... but ALSO one of the most popular characters in high ranked matches.
I'm currently a Tekken God Yoshi and climbing
Flash 1000x
Cool Lili is the second most popular female character
That's my girl! ❤❤
Ive been stuck in mighty and flame ruler for 3 months, got demoted to tenryu twice almost down to shinryu and now im finally fujin with yoshimitsu after learning patience 💪🏽🤦🏽♂️taking a break from ranked now
As a reina main I know now why she's getting destroyed 😂
she is so ass bro. i feel for yall reina mains, she needs buffs asap.
her win rate gets better at higher ranks
Why is she getting destroyed?
@@swolsauce9923 She requires all of her kit to be utilized. If you are predictable with reina, the enemy will destroy you in the coming rounds. She requires all the mishima fundamentals, good timing, spacing, execution and her heaven's wrath stance (although the strongest) can be interrupted pretty easily with a powercrush unless she's in heat.
More than that, her lows aren't as bad as people say but they do not have the equal amount of reward like most characters do.
@@swolsauce9923 consistently hitting electrics, hit confirms, stance transitions, etc. If you dont do these things she gets real predictable real quick
Dude, you're so wrong about Azucena you have no idea. The character is strong! I have a lot of fun breaking people's skulls with her crouch throw. Tekken King with 64% win rate. VAMOS!
the bottom line rule in any competitive game is that unless you're at the highest rank or being one of the best, what you think of good or bad is irrelevant. also applies to data
5:15 yes also
I don’t feel like learning a whole other character, I sometimes want to play someone else but then dread the thought of doing all the work again
Take it in baby steps. Learn a few moves, practice each of them 10-30x until you feel reasonably sure you've memorized and flawlessly input them, then go try them out in Arcade Battle or Ghost Battle. This approach worked for me.
a tekkenplayer sees yoshimitsu ranked 11 in most played : ohh yoshi broken
drag always in tourneys and all: pretty balanced
CRY @boogard
Im at Garyu rn with 2 characters only because i want to learn them and use them effectively to a point where its muscle memory and then try out new characters as well. Tekken has a great variety of characters and play style and adds a lot of replay ability because of it. Also Devil, almost Devil Jins Ive played either spam 121, hell sweep or play special mode..
I think the easiest way to explain it is the most popular characters also seeing a lot more light in lower ranks with teir pickers and get players causing the disparity. The low rates are from them
I think its interesting to see that popularity seems to correlate with lower winrate. I heard a few people say that they much rather play a character they dont know against a character they know, then the reverse. Playing matchups you arent familiar with basically mans autoloss the first 10 maybe more games, learned that again when matching into lydia after a longer break
These stats are 3 months old, we have had influential patches since then
It's from July what patches have there been besides adding lidia?
@@Boogard The link in the disc is from a 3 month old Reddit post called May edition
I’ve seen a lot of players in blue ranks who play like beginners , spamming power crush and heat burst followed by heat smash then rage art, I genuinely don’t think blue ranks are good players anymore, unless they are using some difficult characters or at least show some good fundamentals with any character, like proper whiff punish or good mixups or even clean movement and sidesteps
2:29 It’s possible for Fuji’s to be the average populated rank, because it requires less than a 50% war to achieve.
Great video, with how it’s always interesting to delve into statistics like these. Although I don’t think a low winrate rules out people tier picking at all. You mentioned as to how it would be significantly easier for a person to opt for Panda instead of Jin, but despite the gimmick factor, she is still widely known to be one of if not the weakest character in the game right now, where as much as her general design does have a very limited appeal, people who are purely aiming for wins would definitely just opt for whoever’s considered top tier as opposed to something like that. When it comes to other characters with low play rates, namely Leroy, Zafina and Raven, the fact that there has been the general impression that those characters are on the weaker side, especially initially, surely would have impacted their play rates too. Granted, you could mention how weird some of the those characters are to actually play, but so is Yoshimitsu, but he’s being picked due to just how strong he actually is, and that checks out with how readily people pick him at much higher ranks too.
Reina’s, Dragonuv’s, and especially Azucena’s and Devil Jin’s play rates are emblematic of characters purely falling off due to their actual competitive strength as characters. King being tier-picked as opposed to his universal appeal as a character can be argued, due to the disparities in play rates from the overall statistics, and the higher ranked ones, but Jin is most certainly being tier picked in his entirety (as someone who’s also been contemplating playing Jin with how painstaking my main Devil Jin has been lately.). He’s literally the most picked character in higher ranks, where he’s managed to side step most nerfs, and he’s the combination of being good at literally everything and being incredibly easy and intuitive to use. Jin’s low winrate just showcases that the more popular a character is, the more people understand the match up, and the higher the chance worse players will end up piloting the character. If someone tier picked Jin, it’s often to compensate with their lack of Tekken fundamentals to begin with, and it’s going to show in their winrate. But in saying that, with Jin being the strongest character they could essentially pick right now, will being incredibly easy to use too, it’s not like that’ll be enough to deter people.
The way you inflect your voice, as well as the way you structured your script feels a lot like a Borderlands youtuber named Joltzdude. I can't get it out of my head lol. Not a bad thing, though. I like that guy..
With tekken 8 being my first real tekken I’ve taken seriously, I hope to hit Fujin before the 1 year anniversary. Currently at flame ruler.
If you get Azucena or Jun to Tekken God, you are cracked. Same with like Panda. Plus, those characters are additionally so rare at those levels that people aren't as good on the matchup, which is an extra benefit. Makes total sense they would have such high winrates in those ranks.
my goal is tekken god, once i hit it i will continue i dont care on losing it. if i get higher that's a bonus since to hit anything over tekken god is how much time you play and i like to play other games.
As a Claudio main, I appreciate what you've said.
Here, here...or should I say Yeehaa
I’m currently working on getting Claudio to Fujin and it’s shocking the lack of tools he has compared to Drag, Feng, Jin, Paul, Bryan basically 3/4 of the roster.
Love the fact that my boy claudio is doing great. Hope he doesn't stay dead for long in story
Winrate and its correlation to amount of players...
Azucena and June in my opinion are top tier characters 🤷♂️ I will get burned for saying this but it’s true
"but it's true" literally no one thinks azucena rn is top tier but you. So in what way are they top tier
Not in high ranks
Bro Claudio's hopkick damn near hits full screen. Funny as hell you listed off his moves and failed to mention the best hopkick in the game. Thats why
The reason why characters like King and Jin have such a low win rate is because of the amount of people using them. Beginner players who don't really know what they're doing are picking these characters at a high rate and losing a lot. It doesn't mean that the players are struggling; they don't know what they're doing. There are a lot of good King and Jin players also but the new players drag the average down. Both characters are very strong and have been top characters since launch.
The win rate based on popularity makes sense. A lot of new players trying them out and getting washed. The interesting graph is win rate on masters.
I don’t think he takes into account that most players even in top ranks have no idea what to do against Azucena and everyone with the highest win rates
Have you noticed the gap in winrate at TG+ ranks between Kazuya and Zafina? It's just HUGE. Because Zafina is just bottom 2 char right now just after DJ.
As a King main in a Tekken where aggressiveness is the go to strat
Most time of a match you're blocking and trying to read people's moves since he has a lack of evasion moves
His back dash is horrible his sidestep is aight but it doesn't help that they made most strings track
You barely get any turns and when you do you have to make the most of it otherwise you'll continue to get bombarded and pressured into oblivion
That's probably why I don't see him as a top 5 character lol
I will continue to stan Leo with every breath i have.
But I'm hoping more people don't pick them up, having the knowledge advantage is cool.
I recently started playing him and I gotta say it's more fun when you play against a good player and you have to shake up your moves to catch them off
ngl I recently found out that people hate the matchup. I'm just glad I wasn't the only one that hates playing against her.
Leo’s got Paul syndrome where if you lab em for a good hour you kinda get a good solid idea of what they want to do and it makes their gameplans 10x harder. The problem is just wanting to lab them. Once you understand their gameplan and what they struggle with from a first hand experience, its not as bad since you get an idea of the thought process.
Yeah I question if it's worth labbing him because she's so rare to see online, but every time matched against them he makes me regret not labbing her sooner, they're such a knowledge check some times
Imma duck your highs LOL
I'm between kishin and Bushin and I definitely fight a yoshi every other match, lots of Paul's and Jin in these ranks too.
The most used characters don’t have high winrates literally because they’re used so much. New players are gonna pick the main characters.
Panda win rate is high because many don’t know the matchup and the few who stick it out with her get really good. Reina has the lowest because all the noobs are picking her
I love your videos but you make me want to pick my Jun back up to show you more of her Kazama Style 😂
13:44 I just got to mighty ruler with my main yoshimitsu Tonight.
As someone who picked up Tekken 8 a week ago, and picked Reina as my name to see her win rate as like -10,000 breaks my heart :(
no surprise. she’s one of the hardest characters in the game to use when you reach higher ranks
@@akitzarshe is not so hard to pilot lol at one point she had a higher winrate from blue ranks and higher. low winrate overall because casual players will pick her up. once they learn how to use her, players will get more comfortable
@@TomiokaGiyuus97 That's just wrong, she has to use a bigger part of her moveset than most characters and she's just... pretty damn hard. No big cheesy moves for reina players when everyone know she’s easily side steppable (especially after ff2 nerf) and her stances can be interrupted in all sorts of ways. so you gotta know at least 2 stances perfectly + her electrics if you want to be half decent with the character. that’s not even including learning wavu wavu, utilizing her poking, handling her subpar lows, and more. i mean the fact that she’s a mishima and not jin should of already told u enough. also obviously yeah she has higher win rates at higher ranks she requires more dialed in players since those are the only one who are willing to stick around to learn enormous amount of hours to her, which is way more than other characters, so just cause she has higher win rates at higher ranks doesn’t = not hard to pilot as a character as a whole. my point stands, it’s not even like i gotta do research i know this first hand im tekken king wit her so i know what im talkin about. i mean do you really know her as a character and the process of using her? this is pretty common knowledge in the tekken community so it shouldn’t be a surprise to what im sayin so im very curious to know what ur rank is
@@akitzarI’m ngl I learned her 4 days ago and I’m already like 5000 points from max rank already 😭 I didn’t even use any of her stances really unless I use moves that put me in stance (ws1 for example)
@@Invader.Xim. that doesnt even make sense so you still use her stances? what are you trying to say here?
Fujin is probably high because that’s what gods start on with new characters I think
I’m getting every character to Mighty Ruler, 12 done so far. If I really like a character I go for Fujin.
The more popular a character is the more you will have people winning and also losing a lot... jin is a great character, buy even if someone with no skills picks him up, he is going to lose a lot.. just like Reina is pretty good but her win rate suffers from so many people trying her out
My theory on why most popular characters are lower in the win rate, also may be with new players picking them up and learning the character your going to lose a lot.
Can be but not always the case. Some characters have abysmally low winrates both in low level and top level play, such as kazuya.
Based on my ranked experience there’s 2 characters by far the most popular, Lidia and Kazuya.
The winrate vs pickrate inverse relationship is fairly unsurprising -- I play against 4 kings and 3 reinas for every 1 match against anyone else. When a character is as insufferably popular as any of these, people end up learning the matchup, even if they don't spend much time labbing (if at all).
IMO that doesn't make it "hard" for those characters -- it just means that you have large chunks of bad players who play the exact same way on certain characters.
Gimmicks/basic knowledge checks work against newer/more casual players, but they *aren't* taking wins against anyone remotely decent.
So we end up with a bunch of people playing a few specific characters that get smacked every time they play someone remotely decent.
Whole lotta Ls on those chars as a result.
My coach proved to me that my kishin rank means shit lol … so much I’m doing wrong
Just started learning Bryan he’s really fun. Go Lars!
5:33 Yeah people hate on Jin mains. Because the character got dumbed down compared to tekken 7. And Jin is just insane in this game we all know this.
The main reason people disregard any opinion from a jin main, is not necessarily relevant to the fact that Jim got completely dumbed down, nor that he's the strongest char in the game.
It's mostly due to the extreme downplaying from his mains. And that was the case in T7, where he was clearly top tier, and not too hard compared to 5/6/Tag2, and they were religiously calling him mid, crying for the "big nerfs" and snobbing about his "uber difficulty".
And now, in 8, there's a much stronger, yet extremely simpler version of him, and they argue about him being "top15" or "arguably top10" and that he's "doing not well in tournaments" 🤣
They had already lost almost every ounce of credibility by T8, but it has become embarrassingly funny at this point.
@@Dr.Happy11but weren’t the data showing that Jin in t7 had more losses than wins??? And his reach in t7 was abysmal like u could whiff so many key punishment tools so often because this mofo don’t want to rotated fully for a punch and rather want to have T. rex arms
Yeah that’s why I dropped him changed to lee
@@Dr.Happy11the thing about T7 Jin was that he was a top tier IN THEORY, because his tools had such high execution, he was strong technically but unable to be played practically in ranked, especially by normal players. So both tier list and "Downplayers" were right, but in different ways. T8 Jin is just stupid flowchart fckfest so downplaying him is just remnant of t7
@@damndatscrazyyy940 His winrate is trash now as well, and he's top3 and simpler than a pre-school sudoku, if not top1. I'll ignore you even brought up this point, because it works against you.
You see, he actually had a quarter of a downside in T7. Taking into account how strong his jab/df1 strings were, it made sense he had shorter range, even though that slightly affected his punish game negatively. Fair trade right? And yet his i10,12 and 13 were still great, when properly used. Not to mention his i14 long range safe wall bounce punisher, along with his i14 standing and crouch launchers. He was privileged as hell before, just took some brain power to utilize.
But they had to give him 3 meter jabs in T8, cause Namco couldn't stand their whinyass fans. 💀
Not to mention his only weak point, his ws punishers against pokes (-11 to -13 lows) got beefed up like hell. It's a joke at this point.
Meanwhile, there were actual characters with "punishment problems", especially when compared to Jim's, like Miguel (worse i10 than Jim by a mile, bad ws until his 2,4/2,2 launcher), Maven (everything was actual trash in terms of range, hitboxes and frames, apart from her ws1, which was still a worse version than Jim's), Yoshi (doodoo jab and hopkick, bad options frame and damage-wise until i14, but he could launch specific safe moves, with sufficient braincells) , Steve (great poke punishers, trash beyond that point), Zafina (great i13, the rest was eh), Shaheen (his punishers got nerfed for no reason lmao), Bears (don't even get me started), and yet you didn't hear even a third of the complaints from their mains *combined* .
Azucena is not bad and nobody who’s playing the character at a high level thinks she’s bad.
She’s firmly mediocre.
As yoshimitsu main since the end t7 he's play rate rtn is crazy .(that what being S tier do i guess)
Edit : i kinda want them to nerf him into the groud lol
If more people are playing a character then more people will know how to play against that character it doesn’t matter if they are a better character or not tier picking is still a thing
I almost hit MR from garyu in 1 day but i havent played ranked mode in months probably.. I like shinryu bc of the design and color so once i hit top tenryu and dropped back shinryu (thanks alisas ) i just stayed
Can we play on psn?
@@kwaheri466 im so bad as a raven main 🤣🤣🤣 I apprediate the offer. I tend to get off work midnight CST unless I get some OT but yea we can run it if you want just send your Tekken8 name
Im at tekken god and had to take a break after playing joey fury and qudans and anakin in one session
People keep saying ranked is shot because they’ll play against people that they shouldn’t be, when in reality, you’ll have to beat them at some point. Stop making excuses for your own inadequacy
I think honestly the game is in decent shape at best, there's still the issue of dlc characters costing money to lab, and customization still sucks, but as long as they buff devil jin next patch I'll be happy
As a Shaheen main, seeing that win rate 👌
I’m struggling at bushin. I’m in quick match acquiring knowledge until I feel like ready to rank up
i swear im contributing a shit ton to that Reina loss rate😭
The rank distribution really annoys me, it they should aim to make it look like a bellcurve.
Win rate is related to the fact that more people use them, so their is much larger pool of people losing than people winning.
Remember Rank is also inflated with boosters an cheaters. On both PC and Console, mainly PC at this point.
I’ve peaked at Battle Ruler 😅😅
People are losing with jin, king and reina because their mains are just dumb and love to mash. I mean lets not hide it. They get carried with broken dumb shit then get stuck because they get countered. At that point their winrate keeps dropping.
I got Fujin today! I got it with Dragunov, so I guess it's like Mighty Ruler with any other charcter.
How "good" does having Fujin make me? Top 1/4th? Top 30%?
i took a break off ranked for about 2 months after hitting garyu, just regularly playing quick matches, now in mighty ruler, took a break again lol
add: wish i stayed in shinryu honestly i like the colour combo there a lot better for the rank
This is most of us 😂
40% winrate Reina mains assemble 💪💪💪
It's cool that this data exists and all, but why are people reading it like it's the Bible?
Because people think that data is capable of telling them everything, and if they don't act like it does, then they'll be treated like arrogant scrubs. They don't know that data can only tell you what it is set up to show.
@@genzo454 Yeah, plus there are multiple reasons behind the statistics. I've seen and heard people jump to some pretty crazy conclusions based on this shit.
My tekken rank is kisshin with 227,000 Tekken prowess and I’ve beaten people at every level , including god of destruction but generally, it gets hard for me when I play people that tekken prowess of 250,000 or 260,000 TP… sometimes , depending on the player , it feels hard when I play with ppl that are just at 240,000.
Generally , I don’t consider someone that much more skilled than me at the game unless their tekken prowess is at least 30,000 more than mines. To me, that’s a pretty big skill gap.. or at least it’s supposed to be.
I beat tekken kings pretty easily though… and I don’t play ranked enough so yea .
Wait, what do you mean the season ends and the rank gets reset`?
Is it like that in Tekken?
I cannot learn that damn Jin matchup to save myslef. I would be shocked if my win pct against Jin is above 30%. I guess every 50/50 wrong
If 20i safe power crush heat engager didn't exist I'd be in a higher rank
More players = More bad players = Low win rate. Which is why strong characters like Jin and King have low win rates.
one and done is how most people get fujin