Funny how dragons once roosted on battle island (the base of the Hightower) located in Oldtown way before men set foot there. The dragons ruled that land far before the idea of a Maester was even a thing. Humans took the land and the dragons lives. But hey, we tell ourselves stories to justify the atrocities. Your story is about the Targaryens invading, mine is about the dragons reclaiming their right to their lost land.
@@NightDweller Is it? Supporting one invader over the other? Westeros was claimed by all men, from ones who fly atop lizards to the religious zealots. The maesters have no more claim than the Targaryens and as stated, the dragons inhabited Oldtown first. The very city the Maester set up base. It’s ironic really.
@@J_ads2000 Valyrians literally enslaved and killed their way across Essos, and did all kinds of horrific shit in Gogossos and the Fourteen Flames to name two specific examples. If you think the Andals/Faith have done anything on the same level as the Valyrians you're just insane lmao. First Men worship the obviously evil trees, Valyrians are tyrannical degenerates, Andals are the only reasonable people on Planetos literally cannot change my mind.
That conflict did unify the realm, as much as that unification was due to subjugation through power - not to say that that is ideal ethically; more pragmatically. In terms of consolidating the power of the living for the fight with the dead and the night king (if the Targaryens truly believed “Aegon’s (the conquerors) song/dream”.
@@Walkth15way That might be true - them not being aware of the prophecy - but Aegon’s conquest did still bring about unification and relative peace to Westeros. Before his (Aegon ‘s) conquest there were seven squabbling kingdoms perpetually at war with one another.
Apart of me is really frustrated that no Targ has sat down and properly put to paper Fleight techniques, Dragon combat, and tips on how to direct them. Just like dogs and crows, they're intelligent and emotional, that means they can learn proper tactics and behaviors.
I haven't even looked at the meat of the video yet, but the choice of thumbnail and editting and audio in the first minute have definitely got much attention lol
I dont blame the maesters. Dragons, whilst cool, bring nothing but death, suffering and destruction to everybody and their power hungry masters are just as bad.
The fact only 3 dragons survive a dragon on dragon fight is a really interesting statistic although I think Sunfyre killing Greyghost also counts and unlike every other dragon vs dragon fight Sunfyre survives the actual fight and succumbs to wounds after. And the only other dragon fight in the story other than offscreen Cannibal antics being Balerion vs Quicksilver means Sunfyre was the only dragon that wasn't up 2 or more weight classes to survive a dragon fight which I just never really thought about I guess.
The dance or the Targaryen civil war is inevitable because power consumes itself when there is none. Valyria have nothing else to conquer in Essos result in factionalism dragon lord killing each other for power, the same happens in Westros.
Yes and No. Yes: Maester Mellos's inexperience in the medical field did kill King Viserys which ignited the war in the first place. No: Viserys chose Rhaenyra as his heir enabled Otto Hightower to have his daughter Alicent to marry King Viserys so that the king has a son (Aegon). After King Viserys dies, Otto seizes the opportunity to have his grandson Aegon to usurp the throne and would kill anyone that refused to obey his command.
So assuming GRRM wants the reader to be able to deduce Orwyle's origin, some part of his name would have to be associated with a significant house. So (going off of a wiki of ice and fire character list) ten characters have names beginning with "Or" and have a surname. They are from Dorne, the Westerlands, the Reach, and the Stormlands. Ormund Hightower is the only character alive during the Dance, but there are three Durrandons/Baratheons, and that doesn't account for the strong "or" sound in Boremund, Borros, and Borys, or the inversion to "Ro" in Robert, Rogar, Ronnal, and Royce. The suffix "-wyle" is only found in Edwyle Stark and Samwyle Tarly, but those are likely just variants of the suffix "-well" which is spread from the North to the Reach to the Crownlands. Overall I'd think House Baratheon is a more likely origin for Maester Orwyle IF George wanted the reader to figure it out.
10/10 thumbnail! 10/10 intro! I think you have a very natural talent for editing! However, now that I am done glazing you, that mic quality is hot dog farts. I'm not enough of an audio expert to tell you if it's a mechanical issue or a recording space issue, but I'd look into fixing that first. Because as I said everything else 10/10. As weird as it might be to say I hope shwift and glidus can notice you and give you a shout out since I think their particular brand of dragon nerdery would mesh well with yours.
@@somewhat_annoyed_llama don't let it get you down to much, you're way ahead of the curve on a lot of other aspects of TH-cam. Keep it up and I'm seeing the next CrusaderChris or QuinnTheGM!
I’ll be honest sometimes I wonder if the Grand Maester conspiracy is just a byproduct of the maesters writing the histories playing favorites with the home team and being more lenient with them about any questionable decision making than they would other groups.
I think the Maester/Hightower/Starry Sept conspiracy began waaay back during the Conquest. The Hightowers and Oldtown bent the knee because everyone with half a brain knew they were outgunned by the Targs. They tried to spring the scheme on Aenys and Maegor, using the Faith. Ultimately Jahaerys stopped it by being an okay ruler, who could manipulate them right back. Thus, they needed Viscerys I to be king. For an enlightened Westerosi, which the Hightowers and Citidel are, the Targs are an abomination. It would have seemed inevitable that they'd restore the Freehold in Westeros, and that would mean slavery (something the Westerosi uniquely despise in this setting) in addition to all the incest, dragons, and worst of all, gender equality. After the Dance, I think the goal went from removing the Targs to just ensuring dragons and other "magic" never returned. The hard part was over for them. I think that's why the Faith doesn't seem as relevant again until Baelor, and then until Cersei.
@@williamhermann6635 For sure, but I don't think they had a plan to eradicate the dragons (literal and metaphorical) until after Aegon. It honestly doesn't make sense to me that the Maesters never bothered keeping up on dragon lore during the time period where there were actually dragons close enough to be a threat to them, for centuries.
@@ratoskryt7138 Hightower's symbolic significance to the story is their opposition to dragons. Even ancient Hightowers were said to have killed dragons near what is now Oldtown despite there not being any record of dragons in westeros before Aegon. They even built their castle on Battle Isle, where dragons are said to have once roosted, which is also a fused stone fortress that was almost certainly built with dragon fire. They literally and figuratively built their castle over the ashes of their dragon enemies. So its no surprise, thousands of years later, that dragons show up and Hightowers hatch a plan to exterminate them. Their ancestral Valyrian Steel sword is even called Vigilance, to remind them to remain eternally vigilant against dragons.
Youd think they wouldnt considering at the time theres a targaryain arch maester named vaegon at the citidel who turner down his father the olr kings ofder to sit the throne and told him tonhwve the great council of 101 idk tho
you are the coming of the messiah for asoiaf schwift and glidus and preston and others should colab in a giagantic video of flashness and deep theory and halarity
Mate, just one loser’s opinion, but skip the jump scare at the start of the video and get right into the content. If I’m cooking dinner/ falling asleep a big ol’ blast of music is not what I want to hear at the start of an ASOIAF theory video. Love your content otherwise mate, I’ve binged it! Very happy to have found you early.
1:57: 3 guesses lol. 1st...it looks like cousin It from the Adams Family lol sort of. 2nd...Invisible Man. And 3rd...Beetlejuice. Im probably sooo wrong though lol.
Also, and im sorry, really great intro, probably good vid, but i just cant. Youre going so fast with the stills, im constantly pausing. I cant even tell whats being said because im having to pause so much to read whats on screen. Ive taken probably 20 mins to get through just 5, and on normal speed. I suggest using less stills and only the ones you need.
An excellent reading of fire and blood. Everyone lately seems to be taking the word of fire and blood as fact and comparing the show to it to show how bad it is, and how the show is pushing feminism and the evil patriarchy. Which is funny cause this two things are consistent themes of GRRM, the show didn't insert that in there just because they felt like pushing an agenda 😂
Yeah, there are some people in book-fandom and a lot of green show watchers who are especially vicious on this topic. Like, if they don't want to watch an ok female ruler take a throne from her quite villainous half-family, which is the entire premise of the Dance... then why the hell are they watching? They toned the greens down exponentially, but they only complain about Rhaenyra's characterization (which isn't perfect, granted, but I think they'll get there). I have a dreaded feeling that when that big moment happens near the end of the series, there will be people cheering instead of recognizing the story for the avoidable tragedy it is. And those people need their internet taken from them lol
@@jessjess23brooks89they have toned down the greens *and* Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra wasn't an "okay" ruler lol, and that's one of the main problems, they have somehow made her boring in the show :/
Targaryans were never one of the 7 kingdoms, they were outsiders, with their queer customs, only reaching power via dragons and propaganda, without dragons they are better than no man, a death well deserved- freedom achieved by the natives
“No spoilers. By the way these dragons & dragon riders die. No spoilers. By the way, this battle turns out this way. No spoilers. By the way, Daemon 1v1s Aemond.” Lol interesting video, but if you’re going to have to go into this kind of detail about stuff that hasn’t happened yet in House of the Dragon, or stuff in Fire & Blood, which not everyone has necessarily finished reading yet, then don’t just arbitrarily say “no spoilers” on the details you choose not to spoil, while also spoiling a bunch of others… Just warn at the beginning that the video WILL contain spoilers.
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The Grand Maester Conspiracy, or as I like to call it, the Long War against the Targshit Invaders
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Legit when aegon takes old town it said the hightowers wouldn't attack the targs with sword. Didn't say shit about other ways
Funny how dragons once roosted on battle island (the base of the Hightower) located in Oldtown way before men set foot there. The dragons ruled that land far before the idea of a Maester was even a thing. Humans took the land and the dragons lives.
But hey, we tell ourselves stories to justify the atrocities. Your story is about the Targaryens invading, mine is about the dragons reclaiming their right to their lost land.
@@NightDweller Is it? Supporting one invader over the other? Westeros was claimed by all men, from ones who fly atop lizards to the religious zealots. The maesters have no more claim than the Targaryens and as stated, the dragons inhabited Oldtown first. The very city the Maester set up base. It’s ironic really.
@@J_ads2000 Valyrians literally enslaved and killed their way across Essos, and did all kinds of horrific shit in Gogossos and the Fourteen Flames to name two specific examples. If you think the Andals/Faith have done anything on the same level as the Valyrians you're just insane lmao. First Men worship the obviously evil trees, Valyrians are tyrannical degenerates, Andals are the only reasonable people on Planetos literally cannot change my mind.
Intro is goated 😂
Maegor the cruel made this video
Good man
My money is on the maesters post war, conspiring to kill all the remaining dragons to prevent a repeat of the bloody conflict which ruined the realm
That conflict did unify the realm, as much as that unification was due to subjugation through power - not to say that that is ideal ethically; more pragmatically.
In terms of consolidating the power of the living for the fight with the dead and the night king (if the Targaryens truly believed “Aegon’s (the conquerors) song/dream”.
@@carlito___fml2652 but the maesters, don't know about the prophecy, what the do know is that dragons burned a bunch of major towns like Tumblestone.
@@Walkth15way That might be true - them not being aware of the prophecy - but Aegon’s conquest did still bring about unification and relative peace to Westeros. Before his (Aegon ‘s) conquest there were seven squabbling kingdoms perpetually at war with one another.
Apart of me is really frustrated that no Targ has sat down and properly put to paper Fleight techniques, Dragon combat, and tips on how to direct them.
Just like dogs and crows, they're intelligent and emotional, that means they can learn proper tactics and behaviors.
Probably a lost form of warfare from the age of Valyria
Yeah but if you did that there would be a potential for non-Targs to learn about dragonriding and you can't have that.
@@SuperPal-tr3go this and Barth did that and there were other books Baelor Burned.
Absolutely wild thumbnail😂😂
Intro is also great😂
I hope the Masters did take out the dragons. Imagine if crazy Aerys had dragons there'd be no Bobby B or Neddard.
didn't think i'd see pycelle and an ood dancing to the yeah yeah yeahs but now i realize i needed that, thank you 🙏 pycelle's got better knees than me
Maesters: King Viserys was easily manipulated
Viserys: keeps his daughter as heir for twenty years against everyone else's manipulation otherwise
I haven't even looked at the meat of the video yet, but the choice of thumbnail and editting and audio in the first minute have definitely got much attention lol
I dont blame the maesters. Dragons, whilst cool, bring nothing but death, suffering and destruction to everybody and their power hungry masters are just as bad.
*Barbary Dustin liked your video*
and Marwyn who may be baby Megor.
They did the mash they did the maester mash it wad a old town smash THEY DID THE MASH THE MAESTERMASH
The fact only 3 dragons survive a dragon on dragon fight is a really interesting statistic although I think Sunfyre killing Greyghost also counts and unlike every other dragon vs dragon fight Sunfyre survives the actual fight and succumbs to wounds after. And the only other dragon fight in the story other than offscreen Cannibal antics being Balerion vs Quicksilver means Sunfyre was the only dragon that wasn't up 2 or more weight classes to survive a dragon fight which I just never really thought about I guess.
The dance or the Targaryen civil war is inevitable because power consumes itself when there is none. Valyria have nothing else to conquer in Essos result in factionalism dragon lord killing each other for power, the same happens in Westros.
Nonsense. Hightowers made the Dance happen. That war never happens if Otto never becomes Hand of the King.
@@williamhermann6635 you never know what power can do my sweet summer child
@@season2882 Money is power and the Hightowers are the richest family on Planetos.
love your channel
omg absolutely loved this video. Going to share it on twitter right now.
I haven't even seen the video yet but I had to subscribe after that intro
Yes and No.
Yes: Maester Mellos's inexperience in the medical field did kill King Viserys which ignited the war in the first place.
No: Viserys chose Rhaenyra as his heir enabled Otto Hightower to have his daughter Alicent to marry King Viserys so that the king has a son (Aegon). After King Viserys dies, Otto seizes the opportunity to have his grandson Aegon to usurp the throne and would kill anyone that refused to obey his command.
So assuming GRRM wants the reader to be able to deduce Orwyle's origin, some part of his name would have to be associated with a significant house. So (going off of a wiki of ice and fire character list) ten characters have names beginning with "Or" and have a surname. They are from Dorne, the Westerlands, the Reach, and the Stormlands. Ormund Hightower is the only character alive during the Dance, but there are three Durrandons/Baratheons, and that doesn't account for the strong "or" sound in Boremund, Borros, and Borys, or the inversion to "Ro" in Robert, Rogar, Ronnal, and Royce. The suffix "-wyle" is only found in Edwyle Stark and Samwyle Tarly, but those are likely just variants of the suffix "-well" which is spread from the North to the Reach to the Crownlands. Overall I'd think House Baratheon is a more likely origin for Maester Orwyle IF George wanted the reader to figure it out.
10/10 thumbnail! 10/10 intro! I think you have a very natural talent for editing! However, now that I am done glazing you, that mic quality is hot dog farts. I'm not enough of an audio expert to tell you if it's a mechanical issue or a recording space issue, but I'd look into fixing that first. Because as I said everything else 10/10. As weird as it might be to say I hope shwift and glidus can notice you and give you a shout out since I think their particular brand of dragon nerdery would mesh well with yours.
@@beverlyshields2399 haha yeah, do need to sort out my audio
@@somewhat_annoyed_llama don't let it get you down to much, you're way ahead of the curve on a lot of other aspects of TH-cam. Keep it up and I'm seeing the next CrusaderChris or QuinnTheGM!
Aight that intro alone got you a new sub
16:01 since you don't watch the show you don't know how funny this reads in retrospect
Yes. Otto was their pawns. If one man can be blamed for all of this is him.
You got it backwards. Hightowers literally created the Citadel and the Maesters. They are puppets to Hightowers.
I’ll be honest sometimes I wonder if the Grand Maester conspiracy is just a byproduct of the maesters writing the histories playing favorites with the home team and being more lenient with them about any questionable decision making than they would other groups.
The Hightowers started the Dance. Maesters are merely puppets of the Hightowers.
I think the Maester/Hightower/Starry Sept conspiracy began waaay back during the Conquest. The Hightowers and Oldtown bent the knee because everyone with half a brain knew they were outgunned by the Targs.
They tried to spring the scheme on Aenys and Maegor, using the Faith. Ultimately Jahaerys stopped it by being an okay ruler, who could manipulate them right back. Thus, they needed Viscerys I to be king.
For an enlightened Westerosi, which the Hightowers and Citidel are, the Targs are an abomination. It would have seemed inevitable that they'd restore the Freehold in Westeros, and that would mean slavery (something the Westerosi uniquely despise in this setting) in addition to all the incest, dragons, and worst of all, gender equality.
After the Dance, I think the goal went from removing the Targs to just ensuring dragons and other "magic" never returned. The hard part was over for them. I think that's why the Faith doesn't seem as relevant again until Baelor, and then until Cersei.
It began thousands of years ago when the Citadel was first built (by a Hightower btw). Maesters have always been pawns to the Hightowers.
@@williamhermann6635 For sure, but I don't think they had a plan to eradicate the dragons (literal and metaphorical) until after Aegon.
It honestly doesn't make sense to me that the Maesters never bothered keeping up on dragon lore during the time period where there were actually dragons close enough to be a threat to them, for centuries.
@@ratoskryt7138 Hightower's symbolic significance to the story is their opposition to dragons. Even ancient Hightowers were said to have killed dragons near what is now Oldtown despite there not being any record of dragons in westeros before Aegon. They even built their castle on Battle Isle, where dragons are said to have once roosted, which is also a fused stone fortress that was almost certainly built with dragon fire. They literally and figuratively built their castle over the ashes of their dragon enemies. So its no surprise, thousands of years later, that dragons show up and Hightowers hatch a plan to exterminate them. Their ancestral Valyrian Steel sword is even called Vigilance, to remind them to remain eternally vigilant against dragons.
10 seconds in and you got my sub
Youd think they wouldnt considering at the time theres a targaryain arch maester named vaegon at the citidel who turner down his father the olr kings ofder to sit the throne and told him tonhwve the great council of 101 idk tho
The intro was 🎉❤😮
Hahahah I'm sorry but maester Pycell squatting is to funny to ignore
the time of each image cuts to quickly to the next one, if i want to read them, or appreciate them i have to pause
Your intro is great! :D
The war of maester independence?
Cousin Itt from Addams Family dressed up for Halloween?
@@YarPirates-vy7iv hmm not a bad guess but not it I'm afraid
this was my guess, too!
Haha you keep saying no spoilers but proceed to spoil the whole thing you’re lucky i read FB man
What the fuck is that thumbnail😂
(Still glorious tho)
you are the coming of the messiah for asoiaf
schwift and glidus and preston and others should colab in a giagantic video of flashness and deep theory and halarity
If I was a lord no measter would be allowed in my kingdom. They have secrets on everybody. Like a bunch of rats
Mate, just one loser’s opinion, but skip the jump scare at the start of the video and get right into the content.
If I’m cooking dinner/ falling asleep a big ol’ blast of music is not what I want to hear at the start of an ASOIAF theory video.
Love your content otherwise mate, I’ve binged it! Very happy to have found you early.
@@draw4kicks haha, it likely won't happen again - but the opportunity was too good to pass up
1:57: 3 guesses lol. 1st...it looks like cousin It from the Adams Family lol sort of. 2nd...Invisible Man. And 3rd...Beetlejuice.
Im probably sooo wrong though lol.
Also, and im sorry, really great intro, probably good vid, but i just cant. Youre going so fast with the stills, im constantly pausing. I cant even tell whats being said because im having to pause so much to read whats on screen. Ive taken probably 20 mins to get through just 5, and on normal speed. I suggest using less stills and only the ones you need.
@@Rhaenarys Afraid not, but good guesses... And yeah, a few people have said it moves too fast
An excellent reading of fire and blood. Everyone lately seems to be taking the word of fire and blood as fact and comparing the show to it to show how bad it is, and how the show is pushing feminism and the evil patriarchy. Which is funny cause this two things are consistent themes of GRRM, the show didn't insert that in there just because they felt like pushing an agenda 😂
Yeah, there are some people in book-fandom and a lot of green show watchers who are especially vicious on this topic. Like, if they don't want to watch an ok female ruler take a throne from her quite villainous half-family, which is the entire premise of the Dance... then why the hell are they watching?
They toned the greens down exponentially, but they only complain about Rhaenyra's characterization (which isn't perfect, granted, but I think they'll get there).
I have a dreaded feeling that when that big moment happens near the end of the series, there will be people cheering instead of recognizing the story for the avoidable tragedy it is. And those people need their internet taken from them lol
@@jessjess23brooks89they have toned down the greens *and* Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra wasn't an "okay" ruler lol, and that's one of the main problems, they have somehow made her boring in the show :/
Blasphemy!!
Targaryans were never one of the 7 kingdoms, they were outsiders, with their queer customs, only reaching power via dragons and propaganda, without dragons they are better than no man, a death well deserved- freedom achieved by the natives
ah yes, the andal natives. with their native religion and native customs that definitely didn't usurp previous customs and races.
I will subscribe to you if you tell me what side you’re on in the dancep
@@AegonTargaryenthesecond3096 I serve the realm, someone has to
@@somewhat_annoyed_llama I’m not gonna lie to you it doesn’t matter you’re channel is awesome I’m subing right now great video
Wtf is that thumbnail
Would be pretty lame if they did.
Low key the Hightowers are some of the villains among villains.
they have joined the Frey-Bolton club.
“No spoilers. By the way these dragons & dragon riders die. No spoilers. By the way, this battle turns out this way. No spoilers. By the way, Daemon 1v1s Aemond.”
Lol interesting video, but if you’re going to have to go into this kind of detail about stuff that hasn’t happened yet in House of the Dragon, or stuff in Fire & Blood, which not everyone has necessarily finished reading yet, then don’t just arbitrarily say “no spoilers” on the details you choose not to spoil, while also spoiling a bunch of others… Just warn at the beginning that the video WILL contain spoilers.