I am moving full time to Poland so time to learn the language, so so happy I came across this channel. Pronunciation of sounds can be super difficult, and distinguishing between similar sounding letters or letter groupings is tough, one tip is to slow the video down to say 50% speed, and the subtleties start to appear. Another thing that would be super useful in videos is somehow to exaggerate the movement of mouth, tongue, lips, and explain what you are doing, as different movements produce different sounds. So for example, many of my Polish friends pronounce “that” as “dat” The “th” sound involves bringing the tongue forward more, which also changes the mouth shape, thus the pronunciation changes, and I show them this in an exagerated way. Being able to pronounce correctly is such an important foundational stone in a language as consonant heavy as Polish.
To me as a Czech speaker, it sound like ś is just an additional softening step in between s and š (Polish sz). I need to say, that this does not look like a particularly alcohol-friendly difference (too subtle a difference for when one loses the finesse of tongue and mouth from being drunk). :D
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(4:06) To my mind, in “siostra”, the combination “si” is *_just_* a positional digraph, an orthographic æquivalent of “ś”. Most probably, in order to use as few diacritics as it possible. Maybe y’all can realize this in some declensions/conjugations or comparing with “ni/ń”.
Yes, "si" before a vowel (a, ą, e, ę, i, o, ó, u, y) is a diagraph pronounced as [ś]. E.g. "siostra" [śostra], "siano" [śano]. If "si" is not followed by a vowel, then we pronounce it as [śi], e.g. "silny" [śilny], "nosi" [nośi].
@@PolishwithMonika Yep, agree. Though, I rather mean that your explanation that we should pronounce the quite short vowel “i” sounds like this vowel *_itself_* should be present - even tho’ it’s short. But, as far as it seems for me (as a Slav), this ain’t completely true - actually, this letter, when located between a consonant & a vowel, is (like in Lithuanian) intended *_only_* for palatalization and doesn’t pronounce *_at all._*
@Kyra Yeah, I might have simplified too much as I did not want to go into too many details but rather help to spot the difference. What I was referring to as the short version was [ś] and the longer version [śi].
Thank you soooooo so so much for this video! 🤍 I've only recently started learning Polish with Pimsleur. I'm on lesson 21 out of the 30 lessons they currently have, and I couldn't for the life of me hear the relevant difference between Kasia and kasza in their reading segment for that lesson. I know it's generally a bad idea for learning to try to assign English spellings to foreign sounds (like how the letter r isn't a good representation of the relevant sound in Japanese, as an example), but on watching your video, comparing to other sounds I've picked up on in my lessons so far, and trying to replicate the physical mouth shapes as you described them, I've figured out an English association that I think helps me. While both sz and si/ś can be associated with the English "sh", here's my connection to English spellings for the difference between the two: sz - I associate this with the English R sound. Something like "rsh" (in certain dialects, people might say "wash" so it sounds more like "warsh"... something akin to that sound) or "shr". Basically like the English "sh" and the English "r" sounds try to come out at the same time, combined with the tongue shape you described is the closest I've been able to replicate that sound. si/ś - This one I associate more with the English Y sound (the one at the start of the word "yes"). Again like with R before, it's a little like the English "y" and the English "sh" are both trying to come out at once, but of course the "sh" sound dominates over the "y" one. I'd also wager that si/ś is a bit closer to most instances of the "sh" sound for English in general, but that could just be the sound I'm used to hearing more where I live... Anyway, sorry for typing so much. Maybe another learner might find my comment helpful down the line, but even if not, thank you again for this video! Very helpful 😊
Thank you for the comment! I like the comparison of the English "r" and "y" sounds with Polish "sz" and "ś" sounds. This can be a huge help for those who read this! Often understanding the physical location of the tongue or teeth is very helpful in practicing pronunciation especially if we don't hear the difference.
This was a great explanation of how to actually produce the required sounds and mouthing techniques. Great job 👏
Best explanation of these sounds I have heard so far. Thanks!
The comparison of similar words but with the different sounds is SUPER SUPER helpful. Thank you! It helps me train my ear to hear the differences!
To najlepszy film o tych trudnych literach. Dziękuję bardzo
I am moving full time to Poland so time to learn the language, so so happy I came across this channel. Pronunciation of sounds can be super difficult, and distinguishing between similar sounding letters or letter groupings is tough, one tip is to slow the video down to say 50% speed, and the subtleties start to appear. Another thing that would be super useful in videos is somehow to exaggerate the movement of mouth, tongue, lips, and explain what you are doing, as different movements produce different sounds. So for example, many of my Polish friends pronounce “that” as “dat” The “th” sound involves bringing the tongue forward more, which also changes the mouth shape, thus the pronunciation changes, and I show them this in an exagerated way. Being able to pronounce correctly is such an important foundational stone in a language as consonant heavy as Polish.
You are wonderful. Such an impressive way of teaching Polish. Wish I can learn perfectly. Thanks.
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I started learning Polish a month ago... and finally! I get the difference between ś and sz. Your videos are helpful. Thank you so much! 👍🏻
Myslalem, te juz nie znajde lepszej nauczycielki polskiego a tu prosze jestes ty.
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This really helped make these sounds and hear the difference much more clearly. Thank you!!!
To me as a Czech speaker, it sound like ś is just an additional softening step in between s and š (Polish sz). I need to say, that this does not look like a particularly alcohol-friendly difference (too subtle a difference for when one loses the finesse of tongue and mouth from being drunk). :D
Its more like Soft S, if you dont know how to say it just say Czech "S" or Czech "Sí"
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Thank you so much for very important topic. I really like your lessons about pronunciation.
This was great! Can you do more pronunciation sounds?
Wow, amazing explaination.. I just subscribed to your channel, your other videos are really helpful as well
This is so helpful, thank you
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Thank you so much ^^
Does this series finished？I want to see more ponetic comparision. thanks
There are more videos of this series available here: www.udemy.com/course/polish-pronunciation-masterclass/?referralCode=B400BCDFF3BFA846ED1F
Videos on my TH-cam channel related to pronunciation are in the playlist "Learn Polish Pronunciation" th-cam.com/play/PLjmevIlHkTghlQj-ag-l0NVj9IbWzI9HH.html
This helped so much
Fabulous! Magnifico!
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the 2 sh sounding ones are hard but i think im getting it
(4:06)
To my mind, in “siostra”, the combination “si” is *_just_* a positional digraph, an orthographic æquivalent of “ś”. Most probably, in order to use as few diacritics as it possible. Maybe y’all can realize this in some declensions/conjugations or comparing with “ni/ń”.
Yes, "si" before a vowel (a, ą, e, ę, i, o, ó, u, y) is a diagraph pronounced as [ś]. E.g. "siostra" [śostra], "siano" [śano].
If "si" is not followed by a vowel, then we pronounce it as [śi], e.g. "silny" [śilny], "nosi" [nośi].
@@PolishwithMonika
Yep, agree. Though, I rather mean that your explanation that we should pronounce the quite short vowel “i” sounds like this vowel *_itself_* should be present - even tho’ it’s short. But, as far as it seems for me (as a Slav), this ain’t completely true - actually, this letter, when located between a consonant & a vowel, is (like in Lithuanian) intended *_only_* for palatalization and doesn’t pronounce *_at all._*
@Kyra Yeah, I might have simplified too much as I did not want to go into too many details but rather help to spot the difference. What I was referring to as the short version was [ś] and the longer version [śi].
@@PolishwithMonika
Ok, got it
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Thank you soooooo so so much for this video! 🤍
I've only recently started learning Polish with Pimsleur. I'm on lesson 21 out of the 30 lessons they currently have, and I couldn't for the life of me hear the relevant difference between Kasia and kasza in their reading segment for that lesson.
I know it's generally a bad idea for learning to try to assign English spellings to foreign sounds (like how the letter r isn't a good representation of the relevant sound in Japanese, as an example), but on watching your video, comparing to other sounds I've picked up on in my lessons so far, and trying to replicate the physical mouth shapes as you described them, I've figured out an English association that I think helps me. While both sz and si/ś can be associated with the English "sh", here's my connection to English spellings for the difference between the two:
sz - I associate this with the English R sound. Something like "rsh" (in certain dialects, people might say "wash" so it sounds more like "warsh"... something akin to that sound) or "shr". Basically like the English "sh" and the English "r" sounds try to come out at the same time, combined with the tongue shape you described is the closest I've been able to replicate that sound.
si/ś - This one I associate more with the English Y sound (the one at the start of the word "yes"). Again like with R before, it's a little like the English "y" and the English "sh" are both trying to come out at once, but of course the "sh" sound dominates over the "y" one.
I'd also wager that si/ś is a bit closer to most instances of the "sh" sound for English in general, but that could just be the sound I'm used to hearing more where I live...
Anyway, sorry for typing so much. Maybe another learner might find my comment helpful down the line, but even if not, thank you again for this video! Very helpful 😊
Thank you for the comment!
I like the comparison of the English "r" and "y" sounds with Polish "sz" and "ś" sounds. This can be a huge help for those who read this!
Often understanding the physical location of the tongue or teeth is very helpful in practicing pronunciation especially if we don't hear the difference.
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I cant hear any difference between s^ and sz...
which is why chinese speakers find mandarin so hard to pronounce or understand
Odd that I speak a non European language that has all these sounds.
Which language?
mandarin r equals polish rz
for me sz and ś are the same thing
ś is soft, sz is strong
@@freeX04 but still man when speaking i cannot see the difference