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One huge and significant difference is that in the books the belters, due to light or no gravity, were very tall, weak, and skinny - a pejorative term in the books is 'skinnies'. We see an early attempt to show this in the scene with the belter being interrogated on Earth by Avasarala hanging from those hooks. However, there was no obvious and cheap way to show this and consequently all the actors looked like normal Inners. Many structural plot points derive from this difference between Inners and belters even though the books bend these at times (e.g. belters on Ilus after drugs and exercise). A belter's options in general are limited. Once a belter always a belter. Naomi for example can't go down to the Earth to visit Holden's family. The belters saw the opening of the rings as their extinction since for most of them emigrating to a planet was not an option.
Yeah, in the show, they mix the characters Father Cortez, a litte bit of Bull and Michio Pa into Klaesh Ashford. Same goes for Camina Drummer (Michio Pa and Bull).
Expanse touches you in more than many ways , it's not just another technological advaced future of scifi world we're used to rather it just focuses how humans are likely to progress being an inter planetary species in our solar system
I heard her voice in the first arcane episode and was immediately sold on the series. Obviously the show is amazing, but hearing her voice just made it that much better.
So true, shame most of the dialogue that leaves you going WTF in the novels is just too much for TV censors. And man, the outfits. I don't know shit about women's fashion, but the seasonal shifts go a long way toward setting tones (In S6 her clothes are apparently WWII inspired).
The Expanse novels have become far and away my favorite sci-fi book series and one of my favorite book series overall. It feels realistic while also feeling original, with foes that are very different from your normal sci-fi space flavors. And the wit and one-liners, maaaaaan.
I love how in one of the books the whole crew just end up having a conversation about black market cheese on Ceres with Miller and Alex makes his famous Mars Lasagna.
I would like to continue the story by reading the books. Is there anything in book 6 not in the TV show, especially about the protomolecule, I should read or can I start with book 7? I know there is a big jump in time between books 6 and 7.
@@Klaatu2Too if you haven't read any of the books yet you really need to go back and start at 1. There are different characters, characters that enter or exit at different times, different subplots, and an overall different feel (more wit and banter in the books, more science, and more heavily based on gravity fluctuations). Trust me, it's worth reading the time. I'm actually "re-reading" (audiobook) the whole series now after finishing the final book. IMO they're far better than the show
While the TV character of Camina Drummer is taking up most of Michio Pa's story line from the books, Michio is still in the TV show. TV Drummer also took most of Bull's story from the books. In the books, Ashford was a villain. Joe Miller's partner, Havelock, was a major character in the book Cibola Burn but the actor, Jay Hernandez, was probably too busy doing the Magnum PI reboot to do the TV Expanse. Anderson Dawes was written out of the TV show as the actor, Jared Harris, has become highly sought after and probably not available.
The other thing about the Bull angle is while Drummer had his version of events in the show, they also decided to write Bull into the show during the abduction of Monica Stewart on Tycho.......confusing on why they would do that?
@@lukeernst5170 I was wondering about that. Was the TV Bull supposed to be the book Bull? It was barely even a nod to the book character. He had the same name and worked for Fred Johnson and... that was about it. There is an obvious reason TV Bull really can't be the book Bull. Then again, in the books, Fred Johnson wasn't murdered.
That would have emphasized the racial difference between the belters and inner. As it is Belters just seem like normal people with tattoos and some very adventurous hairstyles. Sticking closer to their descriptions in the books would definitely have emphasized their physical otherness. Humanity really has had to change and evolve to live in space, culturally, technologically and physically as well.
@@Dhieen due to living and growing in low gravity, belters are skinny and tall. For example, Naomi is taller than Holden in the books, but not in the show.
I have a hard time with a list that ends with Holden's lineage, which is basically the same, when you have other MAJOR characters in story arcs that are completely different. Saw Klaes Ashford mentioned, that's certainly one. The Prax character and arc between Caliban's War/S2 literally could hardly be more different. On the show Prax is strong inside, bonds with the crew, and ends up tight with Amos. In the book he's portrayed as basically a helpless and clueless weakling that is literally a paid passenger on the Roci, and nearly gets everyone killed at every turn. In the books, Bobbie Draper is introduced, then takes basically a 2 book hiatus in the novels that doesn't happen on the show. The story arc involving her working for Avasarala is *very* different in book 2 and the show. I have a hard time keeping track of when she's been court-martialed and is still a marine in both... They axed the Vomit Zombies in the show. Shame, I wanted to experience the coppery taste of fear seeing them on TV. 😂 Some good supporting characters from the books were left out. No Sam Rosenberg (Tycho-based lead mechanic for the Roci, and by book 3, Head Engineer on the OPAS Behemoth) comes to mind. Avasarala would need to have her own season to get in all of the profanity and insults we get from her in the novels. She has some gems in the books, including one about somebody's b*lls and a paint scraper. 😂😂😂 Don't really agree the show is "Darker" than the books. They're both sci-fi for adults that's well grounded in established science. Could think of plenty more. Do think this list could have been a bit more on point FWIW, but it's all opinion, so all good. A wonderful line of novels, short stories, and a show that is destined to become even more beloved after it's gone. "The Wire" of its time...
Small scene border me - when Holden disarm torpedoes launch to Pela, Amos ask him why. In book Holden calmly explain that Naomi son was on board Pela (expected). But in TV he answer back on Amos "I don't own you a f.. explanation". That was not a Holden we know..
There are so many differences from the books. I could have my own TH-cam channel to cover them. The one I find funniest is that in the show, no one knows Alex is a Martian on the Canterbury. In the books, it is known from the beginning. What is so funny is that the people who populated Mars were Arabic, Samoan, Indian, and Texan. So when you have a darker skin man with black hair named Kamal with a thick Texas accent (in this case a Mariner Valley accent) you would be an idiot not to realize he was Martian.
As much as the reasoning behind it sucked, I think killing off Alex did a lot to bring some much needed emotional stakes to the story. As much shit as the Roci has been through up to this point, it's kinda wild that they made it as far as they did without someone dying. Well, I guess there's Miller, but it's debatable how dead he really is, and he was never really part of the crew.
Michio Pa wasn´t just swapped out for Drummer, Drummer´s storyline is a mix of Pa, and Bull, her competitor/enemy/support/ally, who was also dropped from the show. Surprisingly, it works really, really well, and Camina Drummer arguably became one of the most complex and intriguing characters of the show. Also Havelock was missing, and he was a very interesting character in the book. Holden was a lot darker in the books. There, Naomi all but left him not because of the strain of command, but because she watched him become a remorseless killer, and it was only him watching her leave that made him realize it and turn back.
My only beef is with the idea that the show is darker. The ending of Nemesis Game happens on the books as well, only with different characters. More important ones too. Also on the books there's a whole thing about Prax being accused of a lot of stuff, including being an abuser, so people wouldn't help him find his daughter. Also the penultimate book with the whole "I might be helping to plot the muder of a teenager".
Ok a few more things: Ashford’s character arc was much shorter in the books. He was just sort of a jerk, and when Clarissa stopped him and shut down the Behemoth, that’s the last you see of him. The show version of Ashford is much better, where he and Drummer become good friends and he tries to chase down Marco Inaros in season 4. Also… Alex dies of a stroke in season 5 due to issues with the actor, but in the books, it’s Fred Johnson that dies of a high-G induced stroke. Fred’s death happens much later in the books than it did in the show. Finally, In the books, the “Bull” character in Season 5 is actually another component of Drummer’s show character, and he appears much earlier. In the show, in that elevator scene in the Behemoth, Naomi smashes Diogo with the elevator as Drummer prepares to blow herself up with a grenade to stop him. In the books, it’s not Diogo chasing them, but two random soldiers. The elevator is stopped in the shaft and the bad guys are trying to get in to attack Bull and Michio Pa. Bull has Michio exit the top of the elevator to escape, and he stays behind with the grenade, sacrificing himself to stop the two enemies while Pa escapes.
Holden has 8 parents in the books also. “Your file says you were the only child of a family co-op,” Lopez said, acting as though they’d never stopped talking about Holden’s past. “Yes, five fathers, three mothers.” -Leviathan Wakes, chapter 11.
Melba/Clarissa had POV chapters in the book that clued us in immediately to her mods. How she got them, how they worked. Fred's death. Anderson Dawes and his role in book 6. Bobbie and Alex babysitting the Martian Prime minister and Bobbie hitching a ride on a missile to save Naomi. Mimic lizards. Naomi's in jail and her space walk in book 4. Havelock in book 4. Avasarala's assistant (can't remember his name, but their relationship was awesome). Tilly surviving and buying the Roci for the crew.... Biggest change, by far, is stopping at the end of book 6, which is really a shame, as 7-9 (and especially 8) have some of the best and most bad-ass scenes in the whole series.
@@nickboots2 Maybe they should do a cell-shaded style animation series to finish off the series. So we have characters that look the same as the actors and they can lend their voices without having to spend lots on lighting and set maintenance and camera operators. It would still be expensive though.
To age up actors almos always look like shit. Imagine looking at this cast wearing some ridiculous make up on top of the "you are old, but not too old and its the future so like old but not realy old" acting for 3 season lmao. And all that while doing all the other stuff that they are suppost to do. Or they can just recast - but that bring another set of problems. Its like making a whole new show with new actors and unproven fan base.
I skipped through a bunch of this video but it left me with the impression they never actually read the books. Novels are way more creepy with the protomolecule it’s the show that takes a lighter tone. No, they didn’t change Jim’s back story aside from his rank on the Canterbury.
This is a trend in WatchMojo lists. I occasionally drop in on one about something I'm interested in just to see what they say. The books definitely have more humour and a very sarcastic sensibility from time to time, but I wouldn't say they are more or less dark than the show imo.
The authors were also exec producers and had a lot of sway on the set. It's because of having a good story to work from, a good production staff, a good cast, and good writers that the novels and show can both stand on their own as great works of fiction. I tend to look on the show and the novels as telling the same story but from different perspectives. Sort of how there are a few different version of the Sinbad, Hercules, Gilgamesh and some other classical hero/myth tales. Also you can read the books and watch the show or start by watching the show then read the books... You might know the plot points but the details to getting there are just different enough to make seeing/reading the other version worth while. Amos's time on Earth is a great example (in the novel and the short story).
Drummer’s role in the show is kind of ironic. Her character is not introduced until book 5, and in the show takes several minor characters. One of these roles is a character called Bull in season 3. But ironically, her role in season 5 (which adapts book 5) was replaced by Bull, as she had a different arc. So in a way, Bull and Drummer’s storylines swapped.
And did I miss something about Holden in the books? I'm pretty sure they were pretty damned close to the show backstory. Obviously more info/detail in the books, but they were damn near identical...
audio books FTW I'm listening to Leviathan falls right now. I heard this season will be the last one so I want to get through this book to see how much of it makes it into the show.
Avasarala is my #EarthQueen forever! At the beginning I didn't like Holden very much, I used to call him "Jon Snow in space". But the actor is actually better and the character is much more layered. Also, in the first season I had a huge crush on Detective Miller
Let me break this list down from the perspective of someone who's watched the series more than a half dozen times, read the books and read the novellas. 1. The OVERALL tone is different sure, but to say the show is darker than the books, and that they NEVER get as dark as the show, just shows they haven't read them thoroughly. The books at times are MUCH darker than the show. Theres a scene they play when talking about it that is HORRIFYING in the books as it is explained to us through the perspective of someone experiencing it, rather than the show's portrayal of it being what an outsider would see. 2. I don't have any arguments against this point, I also agree that introducing her in the first season was a GREAT choice. Not saying it's a better choice, just saying for the medium of TV, it was probably necessary for them to introduce her earlier, but I do love her introduction and storyline in the 2nd book. 3. Very obvious change, but I disagree on a couple of points. The crush was a good storyline as it gave us her and her husband in books 8 and 9, so while not an important plot point to the book it's actually in, if it didn't happen, we wouldn't have a great story down the line. Her character is also not as similar as they make it out to be, as she's a lot more science driven in the show and not as logical as she is in the books, as in the books she would have very much agreed with Holden on blasting the digging machine. 4. The amount has definitely changed, but the actual vulgarity wasn't as toned down as many make it out to seem. 5. Very much a major change. The zero-g in the books is almost constant, like they're rarely walking anywhere, they float most, if not all the time they're in space and not doing a burn. 6. There are better examples for this, given the fact that at least Pa's story wasn't abandoned completely like some other characters they've failed to mention. 7. Miller wasn't alone in the airlock is the 4th most significant change from the books to the show? Like who watched the show and then read the books and was like "Oh my god, Miller wasn't alone in the airlock? What a riveting change!"? 8. I understand why they did this, but god damn, this really does ruin the hopes for more seasons, because Alex is a VERY big part of books 7-9, and the biggest scenes with Bobby would not fit well emotionally without Alex. 9. The way they talk about this makes no sense, cause while it's definitely more established in the show, it's used WAY more in the books, to the point where sometimes I was lost on what what being said, which never happened in the show. The books makes it seem like an actual language where the show makes it seem like it's just slang. 10. What the actual fuck are these guys talking about? Literally everything from the show regarding Holden's backstory was explained in the books, in fact it was MORE fleshed out in the books, like how it explained why it's 8 parent's specifically. Overall, it's clear to see they've not done enough research. I highly doubt anyone on the scriptwriting job for this video actually sat down and read/listened to the books or watched the show while actually paying attention.
*Holy macaroni! This show is utterly brilliant! And I am grateful that I stumbled upon it. Easily the best Sci-Fi television series since TNG. Not to sound like some woke-tard, but THIS is diversity done right. What a gem of a show! I'd pre-order the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray set this instant if it was available.*
I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the first major plot changes from the books; the absence of the vomit zombies! I was rubbing my hands as I watched the first season with my husband, who had not read the books at the time, waiting for them to appear out of nowhere to chock the bejesus out of him, but nope... Also, the way Fred Johnson died was changed, but I like it because it makes his death more meaningful and it makes sense.
Zombies are so over-done, and have been for years. I'm glad they chose not to make them a feature in this show. They were in the books as the infection spread was modeled on Ebola.
Ahh, The Expanse what a great show, never read them books and probably never will, but the show when I found it on streaming was a game changer. Wish there will come more like this. ROCINANTE!!!
There are at least 2 major differences that aren’t in this list that I think were pretty significant. 1 I personally don’t like very much and another that I actually liked a lot: The one I disliked took place throughout the entire series. The crew of the rocinante are constantly bickering or downright fighting with each other in the series whereas in the books, they were basically a tight knit family on the same page from day 1. I get that people expect to see a little angst in a tv show, but I feel like the roci crew had plenty enough to worry about without having to bitch at each other, too. The other big change that I actually liked a lot was how ashford was portrayed. In the books, he’s more or less a stupid, cowardly, easily disliked throwaway antagonist. Whoever made the decision to give him integrity, depth, and a relatable position was a genius. You still managed to dislike him enough that you didn’t want him to succeed in the slow zone, but were also happy to see his arch continue.
Some scenes from the books are so perfect, they are left almost word for word in the show. Example: Amos on the transport to earth, when the gang tries to shakedown his cabin mates.
Am I the only one who loved the fact that Holden was an idealist ? I love that about him. I love to see him struggle because of that too. It was fun to read about how he wasn't always sure (mostly thinking toward book 6) about his decisions, like for example he wasn't sure how to deal about Clarissa Mao. He wasn't openly hostile toward her, but he wasn't welcoming her with open arms either. Anyway.
The only back story Holden really has in the books is that he was dishonourably discharged from the UN Navy for refusing to fire on some Belter ship and also for punching his CO in the face.
If you look up Shohreh Aghdashloo you will see she has been in tons of things. Her voice is very distinctive and a gem of an actress. She is probably best known (aside from the Expanse) for her role on 24 and to a lesser extent her time on Grimm.
She's also in Mass Effect as one of the Quarians, Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay. When I was replaying the series this year I was very surprised and recognized her voice immediately since I had heard and seen so much of her from The Expanse! Loved that she's in it
I thought she was into Holden, but it was removed quickly. I am not sure how I felt of that then. She was not meant to be with him. Naomi was though I wish it was another. That's just me. I agree of the zero G thing. Same as I thought when saw it. I was like wow I was not expecting that. Well done ! Also, the cussing like a 1950's sailor was a shock, but I thought the same assessment you explained.
Yeah I didn't feel like they were much different other than it seems like in the book people express how much they hate how he tells everyone everything more often
Since it would be impractical and likely way too expensive to make all the Belters look different, it was genius in my view to develop their Patois-Creole dialects and accents to make sure you can feel the difference between them alone with the tattoos and hairstyles… which I think it’s safe to assume the books didn’t emphasize. I have read them, so feel free to tell me if that assumption is wrong.
The show gets the roci's name origin wrong saying it means work horse when the original was a reference to Don quixote's horse who was a farm work horse and then became a "knights" horse, hence the name no longer a work horse. Avasaral is completely different in back story, appearance, and personality in the books. Miller's story is completely different in the books. Holden is a completely different character in the books, come to think of it all of the characters are completely different from their book counterparts. I found my self liking the show as a sci-fi TV show but hating it as a terrible adaption of the books. So much was missing, so much was simplified, so many factions were missing(the proto molecule was named that because protogen was researching it), they changed so many characters (both in appearance and story), and no the books were much darker with torture, descriptions of decay, dismemberment, bodily functions, the effects of space travel on the body, and various aspects of the human condition. Not only that the characters in the show didn't seem as human to their book counterparts. The characters in the books questioned themselves, had morale and ethical personal conflicts with themselves and others, in comparison to the book's characters the shows characters are one dimensional.
In the series Naomi trades the proto-molecule to Fred Johnson whereas in the books Jim willingly exchanges it with him. Another difference is that the show seems to merge part of books 1 and 2 in one season and proceeds the same way throughout. The example given with Chrisjen Avasarala is just one of many examples. There are many other differences I can't think of at the moment but I enjoyed the video.
Parts of Bobbies story are different from the books, And some stuff was added just for the show eg: Bobbie was not apart of anything in the slow zone the first time If I recall correctly it's book 3 abaddon's gate
Bullshit about killing the character. They should have just recast the role. Their action pollutes the character with the actions of the actor. And that's *exactly* Holden's background in the books. There's basically no change.
The only pick I disagree with is the statement that the TV show is much darker than the books. I don’t think so. The books are just as dark as the show.
It really sucked that the Alex character had to be written out. Now I'll have to read the novels to find out what really happened to his character. I understand the why and after reading up on what happened, the texts exchanged between him and women, yeah, if true Cas hosed himself and his career by his alleged behavior. Between him and Kevin Spacy, hopefully lessons have been learned. Behavior off screen matters a lot.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln Most Holywood directors treat women like disposable pocket pussies because that's how said women behave when they're trying to gain your favor. What's bullshit here is that some hoe decided to raise a big stink after being offended by something the actor did. In the age of social media and "me too", women have been granted too much power and they're not wielding it wisely. This is of course already backfiring in the most spectacular manner. This is the first generation that will see a large portion of western women who are single, childless, and bitter for life.
Spoiler-alert: Just finished the TV series…a six-season binge😂. I agree the TV show had a darker tone. The spacing of the ‘inners’ after the mirrors crashed on Ganymede stayed with me for days😮. The only change that bothered me was having Naomi betray the crew by secretly giving the sample to Fred. I hated that! I liked the book-version of Prax a lot more. Overall, I enjoyed the changes and was glad for them after listening to all of the books several times each. It made it a lot more interesting since it was just different enough while arriving at the same place.
The Expanse is the first IP I've ever watched/read where I actually think the on-screen adaptation is better than the books...which is saying a lot, because the books are VERY good.
Let me list some changes from just book 2. Sadavir Errinwright is not white in the books, he's Punjabi with a British accent. Avasarala and Errinwright are closer in age and their relationship is closer to old friends than her being a mother figure to him. Mars is WAY less strict. Bobby's suit footage actually captured the hybrid. The hybrid wasn't hidden from Earth, and in fact, Earth knew about it themselves before Mars even agreed to a peace summit, hell, even before Earth offered it. The Somnambulist wasn't taken over by Holden and crew, it was salvaged after pirates killed the entire crew. Errinwright actually tells Avasarala about what's happening on Venus instead of her having to get the private scientist on the Arboghast They all know that the protomolecule is what's on Venus, and they know it's extrasolar, instead of Earth thinking it was Mars and vise versa. Prax never left Ganymede on the refugee ship. He never stops looking for Mei, and he's the one to approach Holden, who then, instead of not caring about his daughter at all, helps Prax BECAUSE of his daughter, with the hybrid being second priority. Avasarala offers Bobby a job like 3 years earlier than the show, and Bobby accepts it after only a day or two of thinking after she learns that no one cares that her entire marine squad of a couple dozen people was wiped out by a literal monster. Bobby then tries to quit after a single assignment because she doesn''t want o be a traitor. Avasarala then tells Bobby to kill her before going on a rant about the hybrid and Venus which convinces Bobby to continue working for her. Prax isn't a dumbass when the hybrid is on the Roci. He doesn't think it's Mei and he treats it as a monster like he should have in the show. Errinwright betrayed Avasarala by using her personal assistant to spy on her, and he fucked up, revealing himself as a spy to Bobby by trying to, of his own accord, because he doesn't like Bobby, frame her as a Martian intelligence officer impersonating the real Roberta Draper. Errinwright is the one who set's up the meeting between Mao and Avasarala. Amos is more invested in finding Mei, and ends up explaining his backstory to Naomi after she says he's going too psychotic trying to find her. Fred is MUCH more arrogant, and Holden is much more of a pussy. Prax's ex wife slanders him by claiming he was an abusive husband who raped Mei. These are changes mostly in order of when they happen from JUST book 2 that they didn't mention at all
Liked the books better, I hope they bring the TV Series to a admirable conclusion, though I always thought the last 2 seasons lost quiet a bit of steam. I still hope they greenlight like 2 more seasons to get it closer to the books conclusion, I am totally head over heels for book 9
wtf 1)books are many darker then series 2) In the book there was no first mate on Kent who went crazy. Holden was originally the first mate. Holden didn't receive the scopuli SOS signal, Captain Kenterberry(McDowell) did it. And even more so, at first no one argued with Holden since he was the captain and the Rsinante team initially had complete subordination. 2) There is no friend from Eros who gave Miller the hat in the book, his partner Dmitry Havelock should be there, he is also one of the main characters in book 4 and he is not in the series. 3) The character of Anderson Dawes is mentioned in passing in the book, in the series he was made a super criminal. 4) Avasaryala's The spy guard (Cotyar) is not in the books (The only cool difference is that the character added interest. But because of him, the story of the botanist was also cut in half, half a book about him, a classic, very dramatic and dark detective story in wartime) 5) Drumer (the most miserable character in the series is essentially a script gag) is 3 female characters in one (2 cool characters were cut out), A mechanic, Naomi's friend - Sam (just Kelly from "firefly"), who died dramatically in book 3 at the hands of Ashward. And Ashward’s former first mate, the “pirate queen” from book 5 - Michio Pa. Third herself Camila Drumer who was briefly in book 2 as Fred Johnson's head of security and since he died became his replacement (and her husband also became the head of the underground in the final stories of the war with Laconia.) 6) Ashward became the main character, although in the books he was a captain who went crazy (essentially the main villain). This script failure really shocked me. I don't understand what they were thinking. And the main character was Carlos Baca, nicknamed the "bull", and his story is more dramatic than the story of Ashward from the series. Then I just didn’t look, instead of a cool, interesting and smart story, they made a completely worthy TV series from the books, but it doesn’t reach the level of the books. Better read all books from 1 to 9, this is a phenomenally interesting and smart story☮ wtf In the books there are all actions at all in space at zero gravity, except for moments when the ship accelerates at 1 G. Have you even read the book?
I loved this series so much I think I watched the whole thing 3 times. From what I'm hearing this is one of the rare times when the show is better than the books. So I probably won't bother with them.
Holden's backstory is EXACTLY the same in the books and show. They're not actually extremists, they just get painted that way when government finds it convenient.
The death of Fred Johnson was different. Also the decision to hide the protomolecule sample was different...the show Naomi secretly hid the sample while in the books, Holden had made the decision
I made the mistake of watching all six seasons. And gave into temptation to Wikipedia the final three books. I regret that. I also listened to TH-cam summaries of the books which I also regret. If you have only watched the six seasons. I recommend you listen to all of the audiobooks. I started with book 7 audiobook I just finished 🗣 🎤 📚 audiobook eight and I will begin audiobook nine next week. It’s really such a grand scope & concept. 🤯 I sure hope they can somehow bring this to the screen 📺
Am i missing something? i don't remember miller getting thrown in an airlock in the book.... he tells a story about a guy that got thrown into one to havloc... but i don't remember Miller getting thrown in one
Alex is way older in the books from the rest of the crew, so far that he is seen as the "dad of the ship" in many instances. He also has a gut and a receding hairline. So basically nothing like the Alex in the show lol.
Belters are played by 'normal' actors, instead of evolved people with elongated limbs. Naomi is far larger than Dominique Tipper who played her so well. Before you say 'well, of course not', there is one notable exception in the belter tortured on earth by Avaserala, who clearly has a far more correct Belter physique. Some of the Belters are ridiculously short, however.
for me the differences are too distracting to me for me to really enjoy the show. especially how they changed holden as a character. for him to hold onto his idealism and optimism is very much a trial, and he's punished for it repeatedly the more often he gets mixed up in affairs that are various shades of grey. making him a rebel edgy boy to somehow justify his actions is not compelling to me. for me, the only real way to top jefferson mays' reading of the book would be a full-cast audiobook production.
I thought it was a shame how they made the belters look on the show. The first season it seemed like they wanted to follow the books like with the guy on the hooks where they are all really tall and skinny with big heads but then after season one they all look just like everyone else
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The height differences between Belters, Martians and Earthers. Miller and Naomi were both at least a head taller than Holden.
Michio wasn't cut from the show. She's in Drummer's crew, she just doesn't have her book plot line.
Bobby has a Martian drawl in the books (not a Kiwi).
Fred Johnson dying in book 6 instead of 5. Not exactly sure why. But really missed seeing him in season 6 so far
One huge and significant difference is that in the books the belters, due to light or no gravity, were very tall, weak, and skinny - a pejorative term in the books is 'skinnies'. We see an early attempt to show this in the scene with the belter being interrogated on Earth by Avasarala hanging from those hooks. However, there was no obvious and cheap way to show this and consequently all the actors looked like normal Inners. Many structural plot points derive from this difference between Inners and belters even though the books bend these at times (e.g. belters on Ilus after drugs and exercise). A belter's options in general are limited. Once a belter always a belter. Naomi for example can't go down to the Earth to visit Holden's family. The belters saw the opening of the rings as their extinction since for most of them emigrating to a planet was not an option.
I thought one of the biggest changes was the character of Ashford. He's completely different in the books.
The show version is way better
Yeah, in the show, they mix the characters Father Cortez, a litte bit of Bull and Michio Pa into Klaesh Ashford.
Same goes for Camina Drummer (Michio Pa and Bull).
For the better, imo. Ashford was a conniving weasel in the book from what I remember, I much prefer the show version.
I love show Ashford and show drummer
Yeah, in the books he's just an incompetent jerk/obstacle to overcome. He's pretty awesome in the show.
Expanse touches you in more than many ways , it's not just another technological advaced future of scifi world we're used to rather it just focuses how humans are likely to progress being an inter planetary species in our solar system
I think we can all agree the more Shohreh Aghdashloo, Avasarala, we have, the better. Not just in the Expanse but just in general.
Actually maybe that could be a topic. Top 10 Shohreh Aghdashloo roles
She's in "Arcane", I immediately recognized her voice since I love her so much in The Expanse
Unless it's destiny I hate her character in that but not because of her.
I heard her voice in the first arcane episode and was immediately sold on the series. Obviously the show is amazing, but hearing her voice just made it that much better.
So true, shame most of the dialogue that leaves you going WTF in the novels is just too much for TV censors. And man, the outfits. I don't know shit about women's fashion, but the seasonal shifts go a long way toward setting tones (In S6 her clothes are apparently WWII inspired).
The Expanse novels have become far and away my favorite sci-fi book series and one of my favorite book series overall. It feels realistic while also feeling original, with foes that are very different from your normal sci-fi space flavors. And the wit and one-liners, maaaaaan.
I love how in one of the books the whole crew just end up having a conversation about black market cheese on Ceres with Miller and Alex makes his famous Mars Lasagna.
I would like to continue the story by reading the books. Is there anything in book 6 not in the TV show, especially about the protomolecule, I should read or can I start with book 7? I know there is a big jump in time between books 6 and 7.
@@Klaatu2Too if you haven't read any of the books yet you really need to go back and start at 1. There are different characters, characters that enter or exit at different times, different subplots, and an overall different feel (more wit and banter in the books, more science, and more heavily based on gravity fluctuations). Trust me, it's worth reading the time. I'm actually "re-reading" (audiobook) the whole series now after finishing the final book. IMO they're far better than the show
@@Klaatu2Too You can start with Book 7 if you'd like. The story is just a bit different like for instance Alex is still alive.
@@SteveHarrellRally I ordered the book set from Amazon after reading your comment. Thank you.
While the TV character of Camina Drummer is taking up most of Michio Pa's story line from the books, Michio is still in the TV show. TV Drummer also took most of Bull's story from the books. In the books, Ashford was a villain.
Joe Miller's partner, Havelock, was a major character in the book Cibola Burn but the actor, Jay Hernandez, was probably too busy doing the Magnum PI reboot to do the TV Expanse.
Anderson Dawes was written out of the TV show as the actor, Jared Harris, has become highly sought after and probably not available.
The other thing about the Bull angle is while Drummer had his version of events in the show, they also decided to write Bull into the show during the abduction of Monica Stewart on Tycho.......confusing on why they would do that?
@@lukeernst5170 I was wondering about that. Was the TV Bull supposed to be the book Bull? It was barely even a nod to the book character. He had the same name and worked for Fred Johnson and... that was about it. There is an obvious reason TV Bull really can't be the book Bull.
Then again, in the books, Fred Johnson wasn't murdered.
@@lukeernst5170 And Bull has Drummers job from the books. Drummer was introduced in book 5 as Johnsons right hand on Tycho.
Show Michio Nolastnamegiven is not book Michio Pa. They are just two belters with the same first name.
The main change to me is how the Belters look in the books -- though I understand it would be too expensive to have it in the TV series .
That would have emphasized the racial difference between the belters and inner. As it is Belters just seem like normal people with tattoos and some very adventurous hairstyles.
Sticking closer to their descriptions in the books would definitely have emphasized their physical otherness. Humanity really has had to change and evolve to live in space, culturally, technologically and physically as well.
@@StephenYuan closer to the guy tortured in the first season?
@@StephenYuan The issue is finding actors that fit that description and can play the character well is not easy.
how are they in the books?
@@Dhieen due to living and growing in low gravity, belters are skinny and tall. For example, Naomi is taller than Holden in the books, but not in the show.
I have a hard time with a list that ends with Holden's lineage, which is basically the same, when you have other MAJOR characters in story arcs that are completely different. Saw Klaes Ashford mentioned, that's certainly one. The Prax character and arc between Caliban's War/S2 literally could hardly be more different. On the show Prax is strong inside, bonds with the crew, and ends up tight with Amos. In the book he's portrayed as basically a helpless and clueless weakling that is literally a paid passenger on the Roci, and nearly gets everyone killed at every turn.
In the books, Bobbie Draper is introduced, then takes basically a 2 book hiatus in the novels that doesn't happen on the show. The story arc involving her working for Avasarala is *very* different in book 2 and the show. I have a hard time keeping track of when she's been court-martialed and is still a marine in both...
They axed the Vomit Zombies in the show. Shame, I wanted to experience the coppery taste of fear seeing them on TV. 😂
Some good supporting characters from the books were left out. No Sam Rosenberg (Tycho-based lead mechanic for the Roci, and by book 3, Head Engineer on the OPAS Behemoth) comes to mind.
Avasarala would need to have her own season to get in all of the profanity and insults we get from her in the novels. She has some gems in the books, including one about somebody's b*lls and a paint scraper. 😂😂😂
Don't really agree the show is "Darker" than the books. They're both sci-fi for adults that's well grounded in established science.
Could think of plenty more. Do think this list could have been a bit more on point FWIW, but it's all opinion, so all good. A wonderful line of novels, short stories, and a show that is destined to become even more beloved after it's gone. "The Wire" of its time...
100% agreed on all points. I run my Expanse RPG campaign as something of a blend between the novels and show.
Small scene border me - when Holden disarm torpedoes launch to Pela, Amos ask him why. In book Holden calmly explain that Naomi son was on board Pela (expected). But in TV he answer back on Amos "I don't own you a f.. explanation". That was not a Holden we know..
Truly one of the greatest sci-fi shows ever made. 💙
No. The greatest.
There are so many differences from the books. I could have my own TH-cam channel to cover them. The one I find funniest is that in the show, no one knows Alex is a Martian on the Canterbury. In the books, it is known from the beginning. What is so funny is that the people who populated Mars were Arabic, Samoan, Indian, and Texan. So when you have a darker skin man with black hair named Kamal with a thick Texas accent (in this case a Mariner Valley accent) you would be an idiot not to realize he was Martian.
I saw it that they knew he was Martian - just not Martian navy.
Amos is an older man in the books, and Naomi is taller than Jim by a good bit.
As much as the reasoning behind it sucked, I think killing off Alex did a lot to bring some much needed emotional stakes to the story. As much shit as the Roci has been through up to this point, it's kinda wild that they made it as far as they did without someone dying. Well, I guess there's Miller, but it's debatable how dead he really is, and he was never really part of the crew.
And The Medic - Shed?- in season 1.
@@kanyefuck7018 Oh yeah, forgot about that guy.
@@gatling216 yeah but he never came aboard Roci so probably doesn't count :p
It also reminded people of the risk of stroke. In the books Fred died of a stroke but in the show he gets shot
@kanyefuck7018
she’s (in the show) was the sacrificial lamb to show just how quick you can go from fine to fucked in space.
Michio Pa wasn´t just swapped out for Drummer, Drummer´s storyline is a mix of Pa, and Bull, her competitor/enemy/support/ally, who was also dropped from the show. Surprisingly, it works really, really well, and Camina Drummer arguably became one of the most complex and intriguing characters of the show.
Also Havelock was missing, and he was a very interesting character in the book.
Holden was a lot darker in the books. There, Naomi all but left him not because of the strain of command, but because she watched him become a remorseless killer, and it was only him watching her leave that made him realize it and turn back.
Low key one of the best shows out
It’s been a helluva ride. Gonna be hard to say goodbye to this awesome show
I ordered the Comics that Continue the Show
My only beef is with the idea that the show is darker. The ending of Nemesis Game happens on the books as well, only with different characters. More important ones too.
Also on the books there's a whole thing about Prax being accused of a lot of stuff, including being an abuser, so people wouldn't help him find his daughter.
Also the penultimate book with the whole "I might be helping to plot the muder of a teenager".
Ok a few more things: Ashford’s character arc was much shorter in the books. He was just sort of a jerk, and when Clarissa stopped him and shut down the Behemoth, that’s the last you see of him. The show version of Ashford is much better, where he and Drummer become good friends and he tries to chase down Marco Inaros in season 4. Also… Alex dies of a stroke in season 5 due to issues with the actor, but in the books, it’s Fred Johnson that dies of a high-G induced stroke. Fred’s death happens much later in the books than it did in the show. Finally, In the books, the “Bull” character in Season 5 is actually another component of Drummer’s show character, and he appears much earlier. In the show, in that elevator scene in the Behemoth, Naomi smashes Diogo with the elevator as Drummer prepares to blow herself up with a grenade to stop him. In the books, it’s not Diogo chasing them, but two random soldiers. The elevator is stopped in the shaft and the bad guys are trying to get in to attack Bull and Michio Pa. Bull has Michio exit the top of the elevator to escape, and he stays behind with the grenade, sacrificing himself to stop the two enemies while Pa escapes.
Holden has 8 parents in the books also. “Your file says you were the only child of a family co-op,” Lopez said, acting as though they’d never stopped talking about Holden’s past. “Yes, five fathers, three mothers.” -Leviathan Wakes, chapter 11.
Melba/Clarissa had POV chapters in the book that clued us in immediately to her mods. How she got them, how they worked.
Fred's death. Anderson Dawes and his role in book 6. Bobbie and Alex babysitting the Martian Prime minister and Bobbie hitching a ride on a missile to save Naomi. Mimic lizards. Naomi's in jail and her space walk in book 4. Havelock in book 4. Avasarala's assistant (can't remember his name, but their relationship was awesome). Tilly surviving and buying the Roci for the crew....
Biggest change, by far, is stopping at the end of book 6, which is really a shame, as 7-9 (and especially 8) have some of the best and most bad-ass scenes in the whole series.
So true... My god i would pay a ridiculous amount of money to see PR, TW, and LF put on screen. Hopefully one day.
@@nickboots2 Maybe they should do a cell-shaded style animation series to finish off the series. So we have characters that look the same as the actors and they can lend their voices without having to spend lots on lighting and set maintenance and camera operators. It would still be expensive though.
To age up actors almos always look like shit. Imagine looking at this cast wearing some ridiculous make up on top of the "you are old, but not too old and its the future so like old but not realy old" acting for 3 season lmao. And all that while doing all the other stuff that they are suppost to do. Or they can just recast - but that bring another set of problems. Its like making a whole new show with new actors and unproven fan base.
Uh, actually Holden is the same in the books as in the show when it comes to his parentage. It was how he was raised that was different.
I skipped through a bunch of this video but it left me with the impression they never actually read the books. Novels are way more creepy with the protomolecule it’s the show that takes a lighter tone. No, they didn’t change Jim’s back story aside from his rank on the Canterbury.
This is a trend in WatchMojo lists. I occasionally drop in on one about something I'm interested in just to see what they say. The books definitely have more humour and a very sarcastic sensibility from time to time, but I wouldn't say they are more or less dark than the show imo.
The authors were also exec producers and had a lot of sway on the set. It's because of having a good story to work from, a good production staff, a good cast, and good writers that the novels and show can both stand on their own as great works of fiction.
I tend to look on the show and the novels as telling the same story but from different perspectives. Sort of how there are a few different version of the Sinbad, Hercules, Gilgamesh and some other classical hero/myth tales.
Also you can read the books and watch the show or start by watching the show then read the books... You might know the plot points but the details to getting there are just different enough to make seeing/reading the other version worth while. Amos's time on Earth is a great example (in the novel and the short story).
Easily the best show on tv right now. One of the only properties that I would say is just as good as the book
Jared Harris has a heck of a resume with these shows
James S.A. Corey is the pin name for Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck who, along with Naren Shankar are the show runners for the TV adaptation.
Drummer’s role in the show is kind of ironic. Her character is not introduced until book 5, and in the show takes several minor characters. One of these roles is a character called Bull in season 3. But ironically, her role in season 5 (which adapts book 5) was replaced by Bull, as she had a different arc. So in a way, Bull and Drummer’s storylines swapped.
And did I miss something about Holden in the books? I'm pretty sure they were pretty damned close to the show backstory. Obviously more info/detail in the books, but they were damn near identical...
I don't think holden was such a pussy in the books.
In the show he seems like such a wishy washy captain sometimes.
I've watched the show and am about half way through Cibola Burn. I recommend both, the audio books are fantastic too!
audio books FTW I'm listening to Leviathan falls right now. I heard this season will be the last one so I want to get through this book to see how much of it makes it into the show.
Last 100 pages of Nemesis Games. Should wrap it up soon. Then will read Babylon’s Ashes after the S6 finale
Avasarala is my #EarthQueen forever!
At the beginning I didn't like Holden very much, I used to call him "Jon Snow in space". But the actor is actually better and the character is much more layered.
Also, in the first season I had a huge crush on Detective Miller
Let me break this list down from the perspective of someone who's watched the series more than a half dozen times, read the books and read the novellas.
1. The OVERALL tone is different sure, but to say the show is darker than the books, and that they NEVER get as dark as the show, just shows they haven't read them thoroughly. The books at times are MUCH darker than the show. Theres a scene they play when talking about it that is HORRIFYING in the books as it is explained to us through the perspective of someone experiencing it, rather than the show's portrayal of it being what an outsider would see.
2. I don't have any arguments against this point, I also agree that introducing her in the first season was a GREAT choice. Not saying it's a better choice, just saying for the medium of TV, it was probably necessary for them to introduce her earlier, but I do love her introduction and storyline in the 2nd book.
3. Very obvious change, but I disagree on a couple of points. The crush was a good storyline as it gave us her and her husband in books 8 and 9, so while not an important plot point to the book it's actually in, if it didn't happen, we wouldn't have a great story down the line. Her character is also not as similar as they make it out to be, as she's a lot more science driven in the show and not as logical as she is in the books, as in the books she would have very much agreed with Holden on blasting the digging machine.
4. The amount has definitely changed, but the actual vulgarity wasn't as toned down as many make it out to seem.
5. Very much a major change. The zero-g in the books is almost constant, like they're rarely walking anywhere, they float most, if not all the time they're in space and not doing a burn.
6. There are better examples for this, given the fact that at least Pa's story wasn't abandoned completely like some other characters they've failed to mention.
7. Miller wasn't alone in the airlock is the 4th most significant change from the books to the show? Like who watched the show and then read the books and was like "Oh my god, Miller wasn't alone in the airlock? What a riveting change!"?
8. I understand why they did this, but god damn, this really does ruin the hopes for more seasons, because Alex is a VERY big part of books 7-9, and the biggest scenes with Bobby would not fit well emotionally without Alex.
9. The way they talk about this makes no sense, cause while it's definitely more established in the show, it's used WAY more in the books, to the point where sometimes I was lost on what what being said, which never happened in the show. The books makes it seem like an actual language where the show makes it seem like it's just slang.
10. What the actual fuck are these guys talking about? Literally everything from the show regarding Holden's backstory was explained in the books, in fact it was MORE fleshed out in the books, like how it explained why it's 8 parent's specifically.
Overall, it's clear to see they've not done enough research. I highly doubt anyone on the scriptwriting job for this video actually sat down and read/listened to the books or watched the show while actually paying attention.
*Holy macaroni! This show is utterly brilliant! And I am grateful that I stumbled upon it. Easily the best Sci-Fi television series since TNG. Not to sound like some woke-tard, but THIS is diversity done right. What a gem of a show! I'd pre-order the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray set this instant if it was available.*
I think the only TV show that comes close is Babylon 5.
I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the first major plot changes from the books; the absence of the vomit zombies! I was rubbing my hands as I watched the first season with my husband, who had not read the books at the time, waiting for them to appear out of nowhere to chock the bejesus out of him, but nope...
Also, the way Fred Johnson died was changed, but I like it because it makes his death more meaningful and it makes sense.
I know! Where the vomit zombies at?!? I was all set to experience the coppery taste of fear when they appeared... 😂
Zombies are so over-done, and have been for years. I'm glad they chose not to make them a feature in this show. They were in the books as the infection spread was modeled on Ebola.
Ahh, The Expanse what a great show, never read them books and probably never will,
but the show when I found it on streaming was a game changer. Wish there will come more like this.
ROCINANTE!!!
There are at least 2 major differences that aren’t in this list that I think were pretty significant. 1 I personally don’t like very much and another that I actually liked a lot:
The one I disliked took place throughout the entire series. The crew of the rocinante are constantly bickering or downright fighting with each other in the series whereas in the books, they were basically a tight knit family on the same page from day 1. I get that people expect to see a little angst in a tv show, but I feel like the roci crew had plenty enough to worry about without having to bitch at each other, too.
The other big change that I actually liked a lot was how ashford was portrayed. In the books, he’s more or less a stupid, cowardly, easily disliked throwaway antagonist. Whoever made the decision to give him integrity, depth, and a relatable position was a genius. You still managed to dislike him enough that you didn’t want him to succeed in the slow zone, but were also happy to see his arch continue.
When Rosinante lands on a planet, in books it is in horizontal position, but in TV show it lands vertically.
Some scenes from the books are so perfect, they are left almost word for word in the show. Example: Amos on the transport to earth, when the gang tries to shakedown his cabin mates.
Am I the only one who loved the fact that Holden was an idealist ? I love that about him. I love to see him struggle because of that too. It was fun to read about how he wasn't always sure (mostly thinking toward book 6) about his decisions, like for example he wasn't sure how to deal about Clarissa Mao. He wasn't openly hostile toward her, but he wasn't welcoming her with open arms either. Anyway.
Not just Michio Pa, but also Bull Baca also is integrated, creating one of the best female characters under Camina Drummer
The only back story Holden really has in the books is that he was dishonourably discharged from the UN Navy for refusing to fire on some Belter ship and also for punching his CO in the face.
Liked and am watching!
One of the best shows in a while, please watch it if you haven’t already
I wish seasons 4 & 5 would be out on DVD. Only the first 3 seasons can be gotten on DVD in Ireland.
I hope they get to Bobby rescuing Naomi. Surfing a torpedo in power armor through space was pretty cool
Michio Pa is in the TV series. She just has a much smaller part.
Avasarala's actress I recognize her from somewhere especially her voice
Edit: she was in Arcane as Grayson
She has done a lot of stand out voice acting, I remember her acting in ME2 and ME3.
Dont forget Star Trek (the last one I thnk). She plays an admiral on the space station.
If you look up Shohreh Aghdashloo you will see she has been in tons of things. Her voice is very distinctive and a gem of an actress. She is probably best known (aside from the Expanse) for her role on 24 and to a lesser extent her time on Grimm.
She's also in Mass Effect as one of the Quarians, Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay. When I was replaying the series this year I was very surprised and recognized her voice immediately since I had heard and seen so much of her from The Expanse! Loved that she's in it
@@vincentkrommenhoek7431 Commodore. And interesting fact, her scenes with Kirk were added few months later after main filming, in reshoots.
I thought she was into Holden, but it was removed quickly. I am not sure how I felt of that then. She was not meant to be with him. Naomi was though I wish it was another. That's just me. I agree of the zero G thing. Same as I thought when saw it. I was like wow I was not expecting that. Well done ! Also, the cussing like a 1950's sailor was a shock, but I thought the same assessment you explained.
Holden's background seemed the same as the books
Yeah I didn't feel like they were much different other than it seems like in the book people express how much they hate how he tells everyone everything more often
Since it would be impractical and likely way too expensive to make all the Belters look different, it was genius in my view to develop their Patois-Creole dialects and accents to make sure you can feel the difference between them alone with the tattoos and hairstyles… which I think it’s safe to assume the books didn’t emphasize. I have read them, so feel free to tell me if that assumption is wrong.
The show gets the roci's name origin wrong saying it means work horse when the original was a reference to Don quixote's horse who was a farm work horse and then became a "knights" horse, hence the name no longer a work horse. Avasaral is completely different in back story, appearance, and personality in the books. Miller's story is completely different in the books. Holden is a completely different character in the books, come to think of it all of the characters are completely different from their book counterparts. I found my self liking the show as a sci-fi TV show but hating it as a terrible adaption of the books. So much was missing, so much was simplified, so many factions were missing(the proto molecule was named that because protogen was researching it), they changed so many characters (both in appearance and story), and no the books were much darker with torture, descriptions of decay, dismemberment, bodily functions, the effects of space travel on the body, and various aspects of the human condition. Not only that the characters in the show didn't seem as human to their book counterparts. The characters in the books questioned themselves, had morale and ethical personal conflicts with themselves and others, in comparison to the book's characters the shows characters are one dimensional.
I just finished reading Persepolis Rising. It was fantastic! I hope they get around to adapting the final 3 books.
In the series Naomi trades the proto-molecule to Fred Johnson whereas in the books Jim willingly exchanges it with him. Another difference is that the show seems to merge part of books 1 and 2 in one season and proceeds the same way throughout. The example given with Chrisjen Avasarala is just one of many examples. There are many other differences I can't think of at the moment but I enjoyed the video.
agree with your picks. I would add another one which is that Holden was much more optimistic of the human race in the last three books.
Parts of Bobbies story are different from the books,
And some stuff was added just for the show eg: Bobbie was not apart of anything in the slow zone the first time
If I recall correctly it's book 3 abaddon's gate
IIRC we actually get Bobbie introduced in Book 2, then she is left out of books 3 and 4.
Top 10 horror movie villains with no backstory
2:12 that was the scene that made me decide this thing was worth watching.
Bullshit about killing the character. They should have just recast the role. Their action pollutes the character with the actions of the actor.
And that's *exactly* Holden's background in the books. There's basically no change.
The only pick I disagree with is the statement that the TV show is much darker than the books. I don’t think so. The books are just as dark as the show.
I'm currently reading through the relevant books in Memorys Legion before I get to Caliban's War.
It really sucked that the Alex character had to be written out. Now I'll have to read the novels to find out what really happened to his character. I understand the why and after reading up on what happened, the texts exchanged between him and women, yeah, if true Cas hosed himself and his career by his alleged behavior. Between him and Kevin Spacy, hopefully lessons have been learned. Behavior off screen matters a lot.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
Most Holywood directors treat women like disposable pocket pussies because that's how said women behave when they're trying to gain your favor. What's bullshit here is that some hoe decided to raise a big stink after being offended by something the actor did. In the age of social media and "me too", women have been granted too much power and they're not wielding it wisely. This is of course already backfiring in the most spectacular manner. This is the first generation that will see a large portion of western women who are single, childless, and bitter for life.
I haven't watch a SF series as beautiful and complex as the Expanse since Battle Star Galactica and Heroes.
Alex's demise isn't number 1???
we all miss your Alex, it was sad that you had to go
I think literally everyone agrees Ashford is the biggest change.
Spoiler-alert: Just finished the TV series…a six-season binge😂. I agree the TV show had a darker tone. The spacing of the ‘inners’ after the mirrors crashed on Ganymede stayed with me for days😮. The only change that bothered me was having Naomi betray the crew by secretly giving the sample to Fred. I hated that! I liked the book-version of Prax a lot more. Overall, I enjoyed the changes and was glad for them after listening to all of the books several times each. It made it a lot more interesting since it was just different enough while arriving at the same place.
The Expanse is the first IP I've ever watched/read where I actually think the on-screen adaptation is better than the books...which is saying a lot, because the books are VERY good.
Let me list some changes from just book 2.
Sadavir Errinwright is not white in the books, he's Punjabi with a British accent.
Avasarala and Errinwright are closer in age and their relationship is closer to old friends than her being a mother figure to him.
Mars is WAY less strict.
Bobby's suit footage actually captured the hybrid.
The hybrid wasn't hidden from Earth, and in fact, Earth knew about it themselves before Mars even agreed to a peace summit, hell, even before Earth offered it.
The Somnambulist wasn't taken over by Holden and crew, it was salvaged after pirates killed the entire crew.
Errinwright actually tells Avasarala about what's happening on Venus instead of her having to get the private scientist on the Arboghast
They all know that the protomolecule is what's on Venus, and they know it's extrasolar, instead of Earth thinking it was Mars and vise versa.
Prax never left Ganymede on the refugee ship. He never stops looking for Mei, and he's the one to approach Holden, who then, instead of not caring about his daughter at all, helps Prax BECAUSE of his daughter, with the hybrid being second priority.
Avasarala offers Bobby a job like 3 years earlier than the show, and Bobby accepts it after only a day or two of thinking after she learns that no one cares that her entire marine squad of a couple dozen people was wiped out by a literal monster. Bobby then tries to quit after a single assignment because she doesn''t want o be a traitor. Avasarala then tells Bobby to kill her before going on a rant about the hybrid and Venus which convinces Bobby to continue working for her.
Prax isn't a dumbass when the hybrid is on the Roci. He doesn't think it's Mei and he treats it as a monster like he should have in the show.
Errinwright betrayed Avasarala by using her personal assistant to spy on her, and he fucked up, revealing himself as a spy to Bobby by trying to, of his own accord, because he doesn't like Bobby, frame her as a Martian intelligence officer impersonating the real Roberta Draper.
Errinwright is the one who set's up the meeting between Mao and Avasarala.
Amos is more invested in finding Mei, and ends up explaining his backstory to Naomi after she says he's going too psychotic trying to find her.
Fred is MUCH more arrogant, and Holden is much more of a pussy.
Prax's ex wife slanders him by claiming he was an abusive husband who raped Mei.
These are changes mostly in order of when they happen from JUST book 2 that they didn't mention at all
Liked the books better, I hope they bring the TV Series to a admirable conclusion, though I always thought the last 2 seasons lost quiet a bit of steam. I still hope they greenlight like 2 more seasons to get it closer to the books conclusion, I am totally head over heels for book 9
I just finished book 9. It's not the ending I saw coming, but it's a good one
Loved book 9. Sad that it ended
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This would be a great list!
wtf
1)books are many darker then series
2) In the book there was no first mate on Kent who went crazy. Holden was originally the first mate. Holden didn't receive the scopuli SOS signal, Captain Kenterberry(McDowell) did it. And even more so, at first no one argued with Holden since he was the captain and the Rsinante team initially had complete subordination.
2) There is no friend from Eros who gave Miller the hat in the book, his partner Dmitry Havelock should be there, he is also one of the main characters in book 4 and he is not in the series.
3) The character of Anderson Dawes is mentioned in passing in the book, in the series he was made a super criminal.
4) Avasaryala's The spy guard (Cotyar) is not in the books (The only cool difference is that the character added interest. But because of him, the story of the botanist was also cut in half, half a book about him, a classic, very dramatic and dark detective story in wartime)
5) Drumer (the most miserable character in the series is essentially a script gag) is 3 female characters in one (2 cool characters were cut out), A mechanic, Naomi's friend - Sam (just Kelly from "firefly"), who died dramatically in book 3 at the hands of Ashward. And Ashward’s former first mate, the “pirate queen” from book 5 - Michio Pa. Third herself Camila Drumer who was briefly in book 2 as Fred Johnson's head of security and since he died became his replacement (and her husband also became the head of the underground in the final stories of the war with Laconia.)
6) Ashward became the main character, although in the books he was a captain who went crazy (essentially the main villain). This script failure really shocked me. I don't understand what they were thinking. And the main character was Carlos Baca, nicknamed the "bull", and his story is more dramatic than the story of Ashward from the series.
Then I just didn’t look, instead of a cool, interesting and smart story, they made a completely worthy TV series from the books, but it doesn’t reach the level of the books. Better read all books from 1 to 9, this is a phenomenally interesting and smart story☮
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In the books there are all actions at all in space at zero gravity, except for moments when the ship accelerates at 1 G. Have you even read the book?
In the books there's a lot less conflict between the protagonists which was nice.
Alex was my favorite character so when I heard what the actor had been up to it really stung
I loved this series so much I think I watched the whole thing 3 times. From what I'm hearing this is one of the rare times when the show is better than the books. So I probably won't bother with them.
Holden's backstory is EXACTLY the same in the books and show.
They're not actually extremists, they just get painted that way when government finds it convenient.
The death of Fred Johnson was different. Also the decision to hide the protomolecule sample was different...the show Naomi secretly hid the sample while in the books, Holden had made the decision
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I made the mistake of watching all six seasons. And gave into temptation to Wikipedia the final three books. I regret that.
I also listened to TH-cam summaries of the books which I also regret.
If you have only watched the six seasons. I recommend you listen to all of the audiobooks. I started with book 7 audiobook I just finished 🗣 🎤 📚 audiobook eight and I will begin audiobook nine next week. It’s really such a grand scope & concept. 🤯 I sure hope they can somehow bring this to the screen 📺
A WatchMojo x Expanse crossover??? I love the internet
Am i missing something? i don't remember miller getting thrown in an airlock in the book.... he tells a story about a guy that got thrown into one to havloc... but i don't remember Miller getting thrown in one
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On the show, Alex died like Fred Johnson in the book.
Wow just watched new episode most realistic space sci fi show
Thank God that Amos did not sleep with Lydia in the Show!
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Don’t know if anyone mentioned it but Bobbie is really big in the books.
The crew of the Rocinante willingly and openly works for the OPA in the books; whereas, they are independent in the TV show.
Avasaralla's son dies in a skiing accident in the books, which us so irrelevant I was very surprised to find out about it
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Wait so Inaros was Holden's planned future? I mean to become someone like him and it's thanks to Naomi on Ganymede that he didn't went full sith lord
Alex is way older in the books from the rest of the crew, so far that he is seen as the "dad of the ship" in many instances. He also has a gut and a receding hairline. So basically nothing like the Alex in the show lol.
Belters are played by 'normal' actors, instead of evolved people with elongated limbs. Naomi is far larger than Dominique Tipper who played her so well.
Before you say 'well, of course not', there is one notable exception in the belter tortured on earth by Avaserala, who clearly has a far more correct Belter physique.
Some of the Belters are ridiculously short, however.
for me the differences are too distracting to me for me to really enjoy the show. especially how they changed holden as a character. for him to hold onto his idealism and optimism is very much a trial, and he's punished for it repeatedly the more often he gets mixed up in affairs that are various shades of grey. making him a rebel edgy boy to somehow justify his actions is not compelling to me. for me, the only real way to top jefferson mays' reading of the book would be a full-cast audiobook production.
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The books had far more brutal parts than the shows. Abaddons gate was chaos.
Fred Johnson survives in the books
4:43 see her hair in zero G where else can we see zero G, and look at their hair
I thought it was a shame how they made the belters look on the show. The first season it seemed like they wanted to follow the books like with the guy on the hooks where they are all really tall and skinny with big heads but then after season one they all look just like everyone else
The belter accent reminds me of Rastafarian a bit.
Drummer also took most of Bulls story too.
Why the hell didn't they recasted Alex instead of getting rid of the character???