Review! Elac Adante | Audiophile Loudspeaker | Chapter 1: First Impressions
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In Chapter 1 of the Elac Adante, we discuss our First Impressions! Please stay tuned for Chapter 2: Sound Clips with Commentary which should be released this weekend/next week. Thanks so much for watching and remember to hit the thumbs up for the video! We appreciate it!
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You are the best speaker reviewer I've seen by far! Thank you for all the great info.
I own them and agree with the review. I'm installing room treatments now. Each treatment adds another improvement in sound.
I saw the prototypes of these in person and I fell in love!!!
Omg ! Finally an Adante review. There’s barely any in TH-cam
My local dealers sells him. I'm gonna have to have him actually set them up someday.
They look so much better in person!
Agreed
I need to do a video of the Adante towers I have. Awesome
@@trekjudas Don't wait. They're discontinued. They're disappearing everywhere.
Ron great lighting and filming setup. Very inviting and warm. Oh yeah, great review also! 👌
Thank you!
That is a crazy good deal on those speakers, and stands.Thanks for the heads up. I am a detail freak, sounds like some speakers for me. I have a pair of the Debut 2.0 B6.2 speakers that I am currently using. Just love them. I have been thinking about upgrading, sounds like now is the time! Thanks for another great video. Hope you, and the family continue to feel better!
Dude! It’s a crazy deal!
Be prepared. Both versions of the Debut are easy to love, they make a lot of things sound good. When I moved to the Unifi line I was rewarded with better quality and detail, but missed the fun of the Debut's. Sounds like the Adante's are another step in that direction so going from the Debut's to the Adante's may be shocking.
I have bought these speakers as my main ones a couple of years ago. They blew me away in the shop for 2 reasons: the absolutely clean, articulated bass never heard before, and their "holographic" soundstage. In one word, they sound really live. Give them VERY good clean and strong (current delivering) power, and they won't fail to amaze you. Only problem is the fact that their oustanding bass makes you want to rise the volume to realistic levels that may not be "optimal" if you have to deal with neighbors.
Totally agree with your comment. When I push these speakers with Marantz receiver and later with Emotiva XPA Gen3, the bass is really weak, however the hologarphc soundstage is really a surprise. and two years later when I have drive it with Audio-gd master 3 power amplifer, these speakers finally shine with much much better bass, both bass extension and bass volume. It seems a good power amplifier is required to make it shine.
More kickstarted reviews, please!! All the other time-consuming deep-dive material is great to have for those that want more. Maybe, like me, others want a more traditional high-level review up top.
Also, good looking out for the sale pricing on these. That is a scorcher of a deal.
The dust will still be there regardless of the finish. lol
Great review. Thanks, Ron!
Mine just arrived at my doorstep this afternoon. The piano black finish is STUNNING! Slightly dry sounding right out of the box, but I'm already hearing them loosen up. I have a small listening room and these puppies already have plenty of mid & lower bass. I'm running them with a Prima Luna integrated Dialog Premium (EL34s) @ about 32 watts, this guy swings a lot of current. I also have a 200 W. McIntosh integrated I'm going hook it up with too. Can't wait to get them broke in. This a lot of fun! At this sale price, I think they're a smoking deal. A local dealer told me they are dropping the Elac brand (and discounting the stock on hand) because they plan to market their product thru big-box stores and his shop won't be able to compete on price.
Dude! Thanks for sharing your first impressions! They will surely open up in the next couple weeks!
Congrats Ron with the twins! Great review. I always wanted to try the Elac Adante.
Thanks bro! I own these so if you ever want to check em out, we can make that happen.
@@Newrecordday2013 Thanks a million Ron. Sadly I live in Canada and the cost of shipping and customs is equivalent to a small country's GDP.
New Record Day hey guys don’t worry. I work for UPS. Plus I live in NY. I’ll pick them up and bring them to you Thomas 😂
I respect your opinion, knowledge and enthusiasm. Based on that I must emphasize that these speakers are "pigs" for power. You need a lot of current to make them sing. I own a pair. They are very good but not excellent. For the price, as Ron stated, yes they are worth it!...if you live in the USA (I'm a Canadian). I don't think they are all that holographic. The sound stage is good but not tremendous. The detail is also very good but not spectacular. The tweeter is detailed without inducing fatigue, as Ron accurately stated BUT somehow the top end is not quite "audiophile" caliber. The speakers sort of have a "plasticy" sound as you can even hear in demos. I actually have a pair listed on Canuck Audio Mart. I've been tempted to end the listing and pull them out and try them again, but unfortunately, as I've learned in life - If you dismissed something once, there's a reason for it....and your findings will be the same, and you will dismiss them again...so what's the point? This is the audio sickness full on lol! These are a very capable bookshelf speaker, that perform big! BUT I don't believe in overly dramatizing or hyping something that simply isn't deserving. Of course audio is very subjective. I don't meant to sound critical, but I am critical about sound. Thomas, I think you would enjoy these but you would also be very aware of their shortcomings. Best wishes!
Yes please, thomas !!
An excellent review, Ron. Get better quick.
Thanks Thomas!
Congratulations, Ron! Happy parenting x3!
Thanks for the review and thoughts. Curious on the stats of the grey diffuser behind the speakers? I like the change up from the standard skyline straight pillars. Thank you.
Not sure on the stats, they are just some cheap guys I bought on Amazon. Unfortunately I cant seem to find them anymore.
Hope you both get well soon,and all the best to your upcoming babies! Thanks for the great review Ron!
Thank you so much!
been waiting for a review of these speakers for the longest time.
Is this the best Andrew's speaker up to date? I heard he did everything with this speaker
Comparison between Elac Adantes vs Ryan Audio R610s that you loved so much?
great great review! wonder how these elacs compare to Kef R3 which are kind of the same price. listen mostly to jazz and classical music and some folk rock. will be running them with an IOTA stack (PA 3 and SA3). love and open, honest sound with nice instrument placement. my listening room is 26 X 13 ft (8 X4 mts). any suggestions/impressions anyone??
How do the compare to the Legacy Studio HD?
Both seem to have great resolution per your reviews.
Jazz folk pop?
Love God I am also curious about this
Could I get an example of a notably good & a notably bad recording to use in a comparison of these speakers vs. others?
I blindly bought this after owning the Uni ub5. Unfortunately I paid 1/3 of the retail price not 1/2. I have recently coupled it with a Rel T/7i subwoofer and man! It feels like there’s a concert going on in my bedroom. Totally recommend adding a sub as Paul McGowan from PS Audio suggests. I’m currently fueling these up with a Marantz PM-KI Ruby, And SA-KI.
I think part of the reason they aren't selling well, is the consensus is their bright and the bass isn't very extended and their not efficient hard to pair and they are very fussy. Not confusing the bass extension with punch which these certainly have. Another thing the bulk of there sales are from Music Direct, and before their price drop it was competing squarely with the Kef R3 and Wharfedale Linton which are both cheaper and more efficient. Now Music Direct has the new Wharfedale Evo 4.2 at $998 a pair and the Linton's are still cheaper with the stands, and the biggest Caveat all of these speakers are more forgiving and they can pair with a larger variety of gear. It's not to say that any of these speakers are better, it's just that the Andantes quirks are well documented, and their large quirks at that, I still think even at their reduced price they will be a tough sale out of the Music Direct stable. I must admit I like them and wouldn't mind having a pair..I think as you get later in you're review with them...all these things will come to light magic and the grimm, but I think you will help people who will be willing to go that extra mile to pull the magic out of them...
Thanks for the breakdown! I don’t find these bright especially when listening off axis.
@@Newrecordday2013 some people think bright and well extended and imediate is the same thing....i owned the ub5 so I feel you on them not being bright , but it's some sensitive ears out there, immediatcy can be a beautiful thing from a speaker with quality gear behind it...😉
Now that the Elac Adante and Magnepan .7 are about the same price, which one would you buy? How do they compare? Thanks.
Talk about polar opposites! Man, those speakers sound nothing alike! It would come down to what you want!
Hi Ron, congratulations on the twins!
I do think the format you’re following is very ingenious, and has definitely come a long way since the tektons
I hope you keep developing this, and perhaps applying this format to electronics in the future
Thanks!
I wanna pair! (My salsa has been suffering from chunky tomatoes. Maybe more accurate dicing would help). But seriously, I like what you're saying and as a very happy UB5 owner, it may be time for an upgrade...
Can’t go wrong at this price!
We need a reviewer like you but for home theater
That’s a very kind thing to say! Have you checked out youthman or technodad? I subscribe to both.
Great sounding review. How does this compare to the Legacy HD monitor?
I prefer the Adantes for sure. Thanks!
I have a Pair Elac AdanteI added on a Smile Audio Supertweeter and REL T9i SUB and driven by a Wyred 4 Sound ST100 amp other things are digital such as the Denefrips terminator.
Music is the best i have ever heard in my room I sole HiFi before also played French Horn, so have a musical ear. they are excellent you got to hear them
Glad you enjoy em!
The LTA gear, and especially the Ultralinear (our most detailed amp), would also up the truth-telling, detailed qualities/nature of the Adante's. ~Nicholas @ LTA
We are hearing the same amp Nicholas!
I don't find them on US site... strange.
You should do a vid on biamping with SS/Valves - not sure most people know cost involved,way to do it,total output etc- things lIke digital vs analogue or SS or tubes in x-over or even using your own x-over vs the designers
Good idea!
I can't figure out why so so many have reviewed the Elac UB5 and Debut series but no really has taken on the Adante challenge. Why have people been ignoring this one?
Its a good question and I have to agree, it seems The Adante didnt really get the attention it deserves. Why? Why knows. Anyhow, we fixed that today!
The original $2500 retail price. And what seems like a lack of review units sent out for review to TH-camrs and the non-magazine reviewers. The UB5s were only $500 - $349 now - and any independent reviewer worth their salt could spare the money to buy a pair for themselves.
@@infn I get the price thing to an extent. A reviewer can acquire the product, review it and pop it on Craigslist taking a what, 10%-15% loss. Small cost for the review. Craigslist is hassle I know. I have a few times bought speakers on Craigslist, listen to them for a few weeks and sell them for the same price to someone else. Free experimentation.
@@briansimmons5363 Nope...I think it's mostly about the price. Across TH-cam for example most reviews are of the lower end and when it's not, it's somewhat usual. Often the reviewer has either bought the gear or borrowed from a friend.
Then of course there's the myriad of same gear getting reviewed because those manufacturers do send out demo units. Gets kinda boring hearing about the same speakers in numerous videos (Klipsch, Schiit etc).
I don't think a reviewer has the time to be buying and selling on the used market. They've got so much to do as it is. And don't forget many reviewers do more than just a vid here and there on TH-cam, such as wensites, magazines etc. It is time consuming.
Cheers!
@@nostro1001 And it would have to a product that is sellable on Craigslist. Esoteric expensive stuff on Craigslist can move slowly.
Ok, where can I purchase this speaker?
Thanks for the review. Are these better than the Legacy Studio HD’s.
Yes
New Record Day Wow, must be good. Thanks for the reply.
Still a cool £2590 in the UK just for the speakers :/ Do you reckon you will be able smooth out a bit of that resolution with a suitable tube DAC/Amp?
No, but I do think it’s possible listening to records :)
@@Newrecordday2013 Cool thanks- and thanks for the awesome review btw!
Thanks for watching!
@ JS....$4500 rec retail out here...Folks in the USA do get spoilt for price.
Actually most consumer goods are very cheap over three comparatively.
Sucks our $$ so low these days. 7 odd years ago when there was parity and in fact the US dollar went lower, it was a buying frenzy!!!
😂
@ Nostro....learn to spell, text or type dude...
cheap over there***
not...
cheap over three👎🏽
I just got the floorstanders (and center channel) from Music Direct. Like NRD stated, they were 50% off (their $5000) MSRP. An amazing deal. Despite excellent reviews from both Stereophile and The Absolute Sound, they received even less press than the bookshelves. The Absolute Sound review even mentioned this. "...the bookshelf-sized Adante has been a veritable rock star, the larger floorstanding model... ...has seen far less journalistic sunlight."
I think one of the reasons this speaker line was discontinued was design and size. Some customers probably didn't dig the looks. They are large. Much larger than they appear on video. They won't work in every room. Also the cabinet is of very good quality, but still, they are rather basic. Very square. The feet are cooler looking than the speakers themselves. Also, the matching center channel is a fat boy. A full 10" tall. That won't work on all consoles. Lastly, they don't look as cool with the grills. Not everybody can own speakers and use them with the grills off. Especially people with children. Whatever the reason(s), they are a steal.
This is just my theory and not based on imperial customer data.
(I have owned these speakers for less than 48 hours, and cannot yet offer a review. They are still quite tight and need time to break in.)
Happy listening.
Marcus Miller (with friends) playing "The Panther" from the 2006 CD "Legends of Jazz: Showcase - with Ramsey Lewis" (available on eBay) is a perfect bass track for these speakers. Also, Euge Groove's "Born 2 Groove" and "Mr. Groove", and Ray Obiedo's "Zulaya" album are all great.
Couldn’t resist, just ordered, screw you Ron! Marriage wrecker!!
Seriously, thanks for this, hope you get some kickback as I followed the link.
I’ve had the Elac Unifi UB5’s for 18months, outstanding for $500.
Notwithstanding the ability of the AS61’s to expose crap I’m looking forward to the treasure!
Ha! Keep me posted! Ill be curious what you think!
Ron, are these speakers forward sounding like the UB5?
Yes, even more so.
New Record Day thank you so much for the response!
In my system a coherent beam of light would actually shot out of the tweeters!
@@Newrecordday2013 so that forwardness is a secret of how it flashes out the detail....
I cant afford the Adante's but was lucky to be able to buy at ELACs overstock sale. Got my UB5s for $200!
That’s a steal!
@@Newrecordday2013 yup... I use them on a desk setup at ear level and they sound amazing.
@@Newrecordday2013 Also got to talk to Andrew in person.... Such a cool dude!!
I agree!
Those sound like the Real Deal... Glad your feeling better. You guys a great weekend.. ✌️
Glad your feeling better!!!!
Thank you!
please make more videos about how to use Clio Pocket
I got a pair of these. Took me a little while to love them. Needs break in and the right front end too blow your socks off.
What are you using for the front end?
I have found that they pair better with meaty slightly warmer solid state amp with around 100W or so of power just like you said. I've found best results with my schiit aegir monoblocks with a freya tube preamp. Class D sounded a bit thin and boxey and a tad harsh. Depending on the person these speakers can sound a little harsh and bright with the wrong equipment. Seems like these need to be treated more like a $10k speaker vs a $1,500 speaker because of how revealing and capable they are. Also the break in time seemed to be significantly longer and more rewarding then most speakers I've tried.
Thanks for sharing your experience Jon!
@@Newrecordday2013 Hi Ron, I am using my Adante AF61 with Peachtree Nova 300 and a Line Magnetic LM88. The Peachtree Nova 300 has no issues driving them. The LM88 which is a 30 watt KT88 while sounding lush had difficulty in doing the bass. I have now moved the Line Magnetic LM150IA which is a KT150 amp producing 100 watts. I cant agree more that the adantes need a meaty amp Tube or Solid State. I can imagine in pairing well with Krell, Accuphase, Marantz, Mcintosh house sounds.
Your beard's gonna need its own TH-cam channel soon 🐻😂
I think he looks better without those thick beard.
"Audiophiles" tend not to be too concerned with bass, and the bass is what the Adante is all about. A great buy tho.
I really liked the Adantes when I first got them but eventually I realized they weren't all that engaging or worth owning long term. Performance wise they were very good though and might suit other listeners tastes. Pass Labs pairs well with them.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@wa2368 Just off the top of my head from similar sized/priced speakers new or used I've had over the years. Dynaudio Special 40, Volent Paragon VL-2, Neat Momentum SX3i any of the little Mark and Daniels
@@wa2368 That's a speaker you need to bring home and spend some time with. It's similar to ATC (another great speaker brand) where it's strengths aren't immediately apparent. Back when I owned the Adantes my friend brought over the Special 40's I sold to him and I spent a week with both on my Pass Labs gear. The Elacs were so outclassed with everything but the deeper bass, it was a real eye opener. The guy that bought my Adantes moved on after a month as well.
I've had my Adante's for a little over a year now (connected to a 60W tube integrated) and I've had a love-hate relationship with them precisely because of what you've just said.... they're just too honest and revealing. Coming from Dynaudio sound, I almost regretted switching to them and almost sold them. Everything you've said from the treble, midrange, and bass (not fast) to the positioning/placement and sound stage are all on point. Now, I've made my peace with them and just enjoy them for what they are. I am still thinking of adding a sub though.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience! Appreciate it!
Highly recommend stereo subs.
How can there be a 5.25" midrange woofer, 6.5" woofer (bass) and a passive 8" radiator in the small cabinet? www.elac.com/product/as-61/
The only driver inside the cabinet is the 6.5” woofer. The 5.25 midrange is concentric. Meaning, is the speaker you see on top and in the middle of it where the dust cap would normally be is where the tweeter is located. Also, don’t let this video fool you; these speakers are HUGE!
Hey ron, who makes that rack that you have???
www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/e-t-hifi-audio-racks-stand-table-c-25/e-t-11-d300-4a1-hifi-audio-equipments-bookshelf-rack-desk-p-227?zenid=d416a8cf0ead48e7fcf084e6a391edaf
@@Newrecordday2013 Hey Ron, what about the shelves that go with that stand?
Did you mass load the stands?
Yes
The Carina's sold out with free stands. That may be the reason these are discounted. Af-61 towers are marked *discontinued* at Crutchfield. I noticed the matching center channel open box was priced at the same price as the Carina center. Audio Advice says they hardly have any stock.
My Adante floorstanding speakers sound great with a Crown XLS1502.
i´m about to buy the tall adante ones the af-61 for half price .. hope thas a keeper :-)
Enjoy!
@@Newrecordday2013 dude i can´t belive how good they are :-) hahahahhaha my best purchase EVER
thks Ron, this was the review I was waiting for...and a big Congrats on your upcoming baby!
Ron - I’m concerned that it’s not appropriate to bi-amp these spekaers with different amplifiers (especially SS/Tube) given that you’ll still be going through the passive crossover.
What do you mean? What’s your concern?
@@Newrecordday2013 Maybe his concern is that the midrange driver will get the SS signal and only the tweeter gets the tube magic. So it not possible to surpass the crossover between bass driver and midrange driver using bi wire or bi amp. Me too, I would love to feed the mid driver with tube power but doing so I would have decided to feed the bass driver with tubes too. Nevertheless I think bi amping is fine here. Tubes for the tweeter should bring enough magic imo
Great video! Been waiting for one of the better reviewers to tackle the Adantes. Interesting that at the beginning of the vid Ron is saying he hasn't uploaded recently because he's been sick, or busy, or something... then at the end mentions the wife is pregnant. Yeah. Ron, we know what up. ;-) Congratulations man!
Hilarious!
Elac Adante vs BUCHARDT S400...opinions?
Adantes are better if you want detail and resolution. The Butchardts are smoother and smaller and better suited for someone who might be sensitive to listening fatigue.
Do you want good bass or good dispersion?
The Adante is bass light considering the size, and the Buchart doesn't use a coaxial driver which seems like a mistake in 2019.
Try the Kali IN-8 when it comes out.
@@Newrecordday2013 what about imaging and soundstage?
They both excel at both imaging and staging for sure. Thats tough one.
What about the Kef R3s in comparison to the Adante?
Hi Ron, I wonder if you got a chance to hear Andrew's latest Carina loudspeaker with the ribbon tweeter design at any of the recent shows? They could be expecting this new speaker to cannibalize Adante sales and that may be why they are trying to clear the Adante sales channel now. If you have gotten a chance to hear the Carina I'd love to know your thoughts on the Carina vs the Adante - are they going for the same thing? I have UF5's and am curious the imaging and sound-stage that Andrew's going to get out of his first outing with Elac's JET folded ribbon design.
Havent heard Carina other than the shows and it sounded nice. Adante is superior imo, especially when it comes to scale and dynamic capabilities.
How about doing some of Andrew's floorstanders?
Which ones?
@@Newrecordday2013 have you heard the uni-fi f5?
There is one song you have to play on demos :
I'm your music
(I am your music and I am your song)
I'm your song
(I am your music and I am your song)
Play me time and time again and make me strong
(Play me again 'cause you're making me strong)
Make me sing, make me sound
(You make me sing and you make me)
_Adante, Adante_
Tread lightly on my ground
_Adante, Adante_
Oh please don't let me down
Well... shit. Anytime someone compares lord of the rings to, well, anything, I have to check it out.
Hey Ron you forgot to talk about the stands
Nah, ill be doing it in another video, all good!
It's such a great deal that I'm having trouble not being tempted by it. I already have the UB5, Debut B6 and Harbeth P3ESR and have been saving up for a Super HL5+. Maybe the Harbeths can wait a little longer...
Do it! Worse case, sell em and make all of not most your money back!
Good Review. My experience mirrors yours. I started out with a 35 w/channel prima luna amp and it sounded good. I went to an Emotiva 100 w/channel PA-1s and these sounded great. I eventually bought the stands as well. They are also supported by a pair of SVS SB-1000s. I bought these for the price but listening to them has made me very happy...
This sounds like a fantastic speaker that I would not like. I like em warm with a lush midrange.
What speakers do you like?
What speakers do you like?
Kevin, you otta get your hands on some Harbeths.
@@Newrecordday2013 I'M TRYING! It's hard being a blue collar audiophile!
I wish I knew about them back when I was in the Army. I had more spending money back then!
I'm torn between these and the Carinas.
Decisions, decisions!
Ron given the buzz on the Pioneers 22's,The Elac b6/UB5 why haven't these been selling like hot cakes?Thought that given the $2500 they would be creating a blue of sales?Strange
I’m curious as well!
@@Newrecordday2013 I bought the UB5 less than a year ago for $350.00 delivered - a 30% discount- then they went right back up to $500. I think this may be part of some overall marketing strategy to "poke" the audio community to create attention and stay out front and relevant as Elac continues its expansion into the US market. Or Andrew may have a new tweak - as in the UB5 Slim - or a new replacement and wanting to clear some inventory but I would think a new model would have announced by now before the holiday buying window. Who knows but if it was good then - its still good now right? If something better comes...the Adante's go to the bedroom or the cabin or a nice gift to a loved one. One thing I do know - IT NEVER ENDS!
You seem to be eluding to this being one of the best speakers for $1.5K or am I miss interpreting. What might be a contender or superior to this in that $1.2K to $1.7K range? No LS50 please :) Just sayin' those are not for me.
Dude, I have had my ears on the LS50W's and honestly, they dont hold a candle to the Adantes. At the sale price, I cannot think of another speaker that would rival these if resolution and detail retrieval is what you are after. Also - the scale of the Adantes is very impressive. They will fill a large room with beautiful music.
@ Brian....these are in a different price bracket usually and I think that shows.
@@Newrecordday2013 Exactly my thoughts, scale and bass..
New Record Day Ron, I'd like to see a review of Quad speakers from you. I think they have some of the best price to performance out there.
Ron: These or Buchart S400?
Depends! Do you want the max resolution or not?
5FWS5 buchardt have way more bass. The adantes are very thin in comparison. The buchardt have plenty resolution. I own the buchardt and I have demoed the adantes.
I dont feel the Adantes ever sound thin, thats for sure, even when compared to the S400s which I also have in house. The S400s offer a lot of midbass and bass but wont play as loud as the Adantes and cant touch the scale. They are both very good but both have pros and cons. Also, while I agree with you that the S400s have plenty of resolution, its still not on the same level as the Adantes.
@@Newrecordday2013 Ok how about this. Which will better fill a 13 x 25 room at lower to modestly high levels and project a better more forward holographic well separated defined presentation, width and depth, with a rich full textured midrange where the singer is SLIGHTLY forward and well defined, full range bass with good weight but not necessarily huge(hear it but dont necessarily "have to" feel it(subs) and a very well controlled clear airy detailed but delicate and smooth treble that will bring a tear to my eye. That's all :)
@@5FWS5 Both are great speakers. Get the Buchardt if you want a speaker you can throw on and enjoy a recording from start to finish. Get the Elac if you want a speaker that will trick you into thinking you're not listening to a recording at all, rather experiencing the performance in person. As Ron described in his video the Elac is capable of making you think the vocalist is actually in the room with you. It's all a matter of taste. Do you want a speaker that leaves you saying, "man what a great recording" or "man what a great performance?"
great review as always. don't play too much swing - you might get triplets...
Hilarious!
That's a slammin deal
It really is!
I hope folks pay attention to what you're saying here. My Canton's are exactly like what you say here about these. Because of this I have a love/hate relationship with them.
I'm a 70's rock fan as well. At least 70% of what I listen to is recorded poorly. This is a really bad thing for a super revealing speaker.
Then I play something like Aja or a well recorded current track and my God they sound good.
In the end the Cantons we're a mistake for me. Proceed with caution folks.
The issue of fingerprints on black speakers always amuses me. Position them, wipe them down, never touch them again. In any case, they come with soft cloth gloves.
Everyone sez they need the matching sub or somebody else's
They hit the 40s so yeah, you need a sub if you want the whole enchilada.
They need POWER!!
Discontinued. Great speakers. Need a sub..
Yeah according to Andrew Jones, which he confirmed to me last week the entire adante line will be discontinued. Get them while you can.
Why is the reason? It is a new speaker
Dan Santoso he said they weren’t selling well and people didn’t like the size of the floor models.....too bad. Did you get a pair?
@@jprtp8066 No i was thinking about the navis for my bedroom but now in considering Klipcsh RP 600
Needs way more bass considering the size of the woofers.
What’s way more bass?
@@Newrecordday2013 Extension down to 35hz at -3dB as a baseline.
Ideally lower, as a 5.25" driver can get that low (the DINAS speaker on TH-cam,) and the Devialet Phantom can get into the teens on 6.5" drivers and tiny box.
Makes me frustrated that most companies don't care about extension and just go for legacy "drivers slapped on a box."
Thankfully this at least uses a modern dual concentric driver (which should always be used as there are zero performance drawbacks ever since Genelec published a whitepaper about companies getting their heads out of their butts and having a midrange around a tweeter instead of a woofer.)
stevenswall it's a 6.5" woofer. Also, these aren't extremely inefficient like some speakers that hit low notes.
@@jeffreyepiscopo 6.5" woofer behind a passive radiator. My mistake... But totally irrelevent, as even if it were 5.25" I'd think it should go down to 35hz.
You are right they are very detailed speakers but they just take too much power to run I auditioned them on a McIntosh power amp and it was at its peak and low listening levels, that's probably why they're on sale just need too much power for a bookshelf speaker
I dont know, I am getting them to sing with this little m10 which is only 100 watts.
note: Sauron - pronounced "Sour-ron"
Nerd alert! JK man, thanks!
@@Newrecordday2013 hahaha. Everyone pronounces Sauron's name wrong sadly. I admit I've been a big fan for many, many years (40 odd years).
You say tomato I say tomato - you know that they are fruits masquerading as a vegetables but then again so is my cousin
In my opinion (you captured it on more the emotional level) here is what is happening on a technical level:
Before I begin I need to define some stuff (how I define them):
Phase -- the timing of the drivers. When the tweeter, mid, and mid-bass driver play do all the notes arrive at your ear at the same time?
Coupling - When two sound sources are combined together. In the context below the sum of the tweeter and mid or the sum of the port and mid-bass that is in a sealed enclosure that has a passive radiator
Chuffing: The puff of air you hear in a port when a bass note hits. This normally happens because the port is too small or the edges aren't rounded enough.
Ringing: When a bass note is played the driver still moves back and forth until it reaches center again. The better a speaker is at this the more accurate a bass note will be.
Here we go:
1. The mid and tweeter are in phase because the tweeter is in the middle of the mid instead of above or off to the side like most speakers. This causes the tweeter and mid to be almost exactly in phase (if the crossover was built correctly).
2. The bass sounds better because the smaller mid-bass driver is coupled with the port into a passive radiator. Because of ths the bass is moved behind the tweeter/mid causing it to be more in phase with the mid/tweeter.
3. There is no port noise/chuffing because of the port coupling inside of the box.
4. There is no phase distortion from the port because the bass and port are coupled together and pushed into the passive radiator.
All that to say this (on the positive side):
You are hearing a speaker that is more in phase that most. The mid/sub/tweeter and working more together therefore your ears are not as fatigued when listening. My theory is that fatigue is caused by phase distortion + ringing. Most manufacturers do not measure phase and distortion because they do not believe it is important. I disagree. I believe that is why you use phrases like "Accurate", "Detailed", etc. in your review.
Negatives:
My guess is that the reason you are hearing "Slow Bass" is because of ringing in the design. Because of the coupling of the port and low bass driver the passive radiator is still ringing once a note is played. That is just one tradeoff they had to make in the design. In my opinion it is a good trade-off because the overall sound is non-fatiguing and accurate.
All audio is a compromise. Although I have never heard the speakers I agree with what you had to say based on the design that I know of. If I didn't design speakers as a hobby I would consider getting a pair of these (or at least designing a pair of my own that follows this design).
Thanks.
i got his bigger brother
Air leakage killing the bass loading is an issue. It comes from poor internal construction. Videos and comments all over the web.
Never seen anything like that. Links?
[Start here.]( forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/184771/elac-adante-af-61-took-some-diy-to-make-perfect)
Thanks for the link, I’ll dive in and check it out. Mind if I share this with Andrew?
Please do. Great loading to be ruined by poor construction.
Nope. Not an issue. It's a competitors forum dude. 🙄 The floorstanders are built like a brick sh*t house.
Dear, Your video little low resolution
What?
@@Newrecordday2013 does not look like 1080p
Ok? Cool.
Muataz Alshammari what are you talking about? I was impressed with the resolution. Actually thought it was 4K. Try viewing on something other than your phone.
Save your money and get a pair of magico A1 speakers. They will destroy these in resolution.
Never heard the A1s but “destroy” seems a bit over the top.
@@Newrecordday2013 Maybe destroy is a bit strong. But the a3 will best them by a large amount. They are over 3x the price though. I was looking into the elac but bought some dynaudio c1 platinums instead. I recently upgraded to magico s1mk2 and these I would say destroy the adante. You could also buy over 12 pairs of adante this price.
At this price I'd buy the elac over the ls50. They produce better bass. These are a gateway drug just like the ls50.
@@Newrecordday2013 it would be awesome if you could get your hands on some magicos Ron maybe the S3mk2. It seemed like you really enjoyed the wilson sabrina. I think you would find the magicos remarkable as well.
Ill bet you are right!
Sadly the entire Adante line is disco. 🥺
Seemed promising, but they needed way more bass extension for that size. If they'd done that and made them active and fairly flat, I'd get a pair. Excellent dispersion.
what a mess Elac`s product selection is
Hi there, thanks for the comment! Whats a mess about their selection?
or, cos they were originally way overpriced and they're desperate for income, so they dropped them to a more realistic pricing level...
Eh, I dont think Elac is hurting for cash lol
@@Newrecordday2013 no, it's not that. The majority of audio gear is vastly overpriced - deliberately.
All talk and no music. Thanks for nothing.
Hi Peter. You must be new to my channel? Welcome aboard. Sound clips are in a seperate video which you can check out here: th-cam.com/video/xos7ifXALFo/w-d-xo.html
My Adante floorstanding speakers sound great with a Crown XLS1502.
There is one song you have to play on demos :
I'm your music
(I am your music and I am your song)
I'm your song
(I am your music and I am your song)
Play me time and time again and make me strong
(Play me again 'cause you're making me strong)
Make me sing, make me sound
(You make me sing and you make me)
_Adante, Adante_
Tread lightly on my ground
_Adante, Adante_
Oh please don't let me down
My Adante floorstanding speakers sound great with a Crown XLS1502.
Not saying there's anything wrong with the crown amp but... Those are more pro-amps than amp amps or audiophile amps... As in they are built for durability and long life and to power concert equipment no problem... Which uses lots of power continously... You may want to invest in a different amp... To upgrade the sound
@@V1ralB1ack Which one?
@@bilguana11 That idk because I'm not trying to push a product so I'll just list a few... Schiit aegir and Vidar amps, Nad amps (they are class d but they use hypex ncore class d amp modules which are the best class d amp modules in the world), Parasound has some great stuff... All these are pricey-ish so I only say these as a suggestion in the future when it's time to upgrade... The most important thing is you enjoy the music but with these you'll really love it. You'll have less max volume available but way way way cleaner power and that'll make the sound bigger and more transparent and smoother.