1 - it is better to storm enemy bases on foot, since in this case they will not immediately start shooting at you from all guns 2 - rockets are not very effective due to the long flight time, they are better to provoke enemies from afar 3 - shotgun loads work well against an oncoming horde, even in this game 4 - purple spheres with antimatter work very well against the base; they literally destroy entire zones with turrets. By the way, they can work well in quick raids, while flying, shoot at the nearest photon cannon, fly off and land
I was gonna mention this, but I'm way late. I agree because the drones have zero AoE. They take care of the focus fire, Icarus needs to be on artillery.
Hi Nilaus, so as i was cleaning my sector, i did what you did: (i play on default difficulty - this is my first DSP playthrough)destroy relay station to starve Dark fog, but instead of instantly landing and clearing it out, i went to shoot down all relay stations in whole system. then deal with the hive, and then i'm actually leaving ground bases for themselves until i will be building on that planet. In general time needed to kill hive is almost enoough for ground bases to deplete their resources so when you finally come to kill them, it's only leftover units, all buildings are powered off. this helps to keep ground units loss count very low :)
When you destroy the relay stations, the bases can't get any more energy. But they have a bit of a storage, so all you need to do is wait like 1 or 2 minutes after clearing the relay stations, then you should not get any raids at all and the laser turrets will be disabled. Smaller bases take longer to run out, because they have a lower passive power consumption.
I only noticed those numbers the other day after launching my first sphere. Had to Google " what do the two single digits mean on the top left of the screen in Dyson sphere". I play with sphere off now. Probably need to upgrade the gtx970
Yes, kill the relay station and wait a few minutes for them to power down. Same goes for hives... After you wipe out all relays, they still have some matter stored so you just need to whittle them down to exhaust their storage... Take over all planets with shields or missiles to kill the relays as they land since it takes matter to build relays.
@@chemie7037in my experience definitely not. I've currently only got 4 fleets (green matrix tech) and have been clearing planets on max difficulty with no problem. Only using attack drone myself.
Great video. Hit ctrl while at a distance from a space hive and it brings up the drones attack UI. Send them out to the distance from Icarus to the hive and just sit back and watch your drones plough through them
Hi Nilaus. Thanks for another great video! Would you consider a "complete" drones tutorial; the various types and what they are used for, understanding the UI, shortcut keys, etc?
considering what we are to do in the game and what the dark fogs does and produces "drops" and the after effect of these "liberated" planets, i struggle to think are we destroying the dark fog or have we become the dark fog?
While space combat needs improvement you don't need to do fly bys. While in combat mode you can hold ctrl and a 2d grid appears, you can then click somewhere on the grid to send your space units there, it can be hard to know they are going to the right spot but eventually they will engage the hive, move them away a bit to pull the units away from the turrets. Control the plane the 2d grid is on by moving Icarus' pitch and yaw. Needs a rts style view hopefully it gets better.
To solve the issue with your own energy, it is better to make a mini production of batteries based on dark fog. There are 72 giga joules and, with full proliferation, a 2300% rate of energy recovery. Then there will be no drawdown.
You know you could have put down some wireless power towers around the geothermal plants you were using. Would have helped a lot with your power issues while your drones fought.
Easiest way to kill the bases is to literally land right in the center of them. You take the least amount of damage since your drones are all around you taking aggro, and the towers and spawners are dying fast. Even early on, i cleaned out planetary bases this way. Fighting them from long range causes a lot more damage to icarus because the drones lag behind you and the bases target you directly, meanwhile keeping your drones occupied with constant spawns.
Not watched the video yet, but drones is what I've been using for expansion. All i have researched is everything for green matrix. It works so well that I haven't had to setup a landfall base in quite awhile now, such a time saver.
the way I did my last couple system that worked pretty well: 1. Warp to each planet and allow your fleet to wipe out the relays from orbit which will trigger space attacks but start to starve out both the ground and space dark swarm. 2. Use ground drones to clear and establish Polar Hub + missiles targeting upper air + 1 shield to protect the hub. Repeat for each planet. After this is done you actually have the system effectively under control. Both ground and space swarms will start to starve without relays. First time I cleared a planet and started pulling resources off it before dealing with other planets, but you can easily clear planets with drones + towers for missiles. I didn't even bother with BABs. Next system i went straight for space swarms. It just takes a while to break through the defenses but since you have the planets under control you can easily go resupply or top up energy if you are doing this before white research. I'm looking forward to the next updates and more space stuff. We really need the space hives to be more menacing and better tools to fight them and intercepting seeds.
Now that you're at the point of testing the limits of the Dark Fog, going from the original missile blueprint to this, the drone push, how do you think they should be balanced? Right now it seems more-or-less like a tower defense mobile game, which I think is fine given that it's a secondary or tertiary mechanic, but what would be a fare challenge? Stronger hive sort of like how factorio does it? It seems the game is really at it's limits with the quantity, so I can't think of any other ideas. Maybe a Death Star sort of Hive, where it only begins development once you've unlocked interstellar logistics, that can disregard all defenses, and requires the player to engage directly, or with a very high level of automated defense. As always, love the videos, this is by far my favorite recent series. Stack 2 seems fun to play, but this is far more entertaining to watch.
I feel like the relay thing exposes a flaw in a game mechanic. Killing relays is fast and easy and not only makes clearing planets trivial (essentially eliminating the entire role of the bases) but essentially makes the space hive inert (denying matter) without any real difficulty (I guess you cleared the hive for entertainment purposes but the hive can be ignored with no relays on planets you care about). So not sure why we need space platforms etc given ability to inert the hive via relay destruction. This means after the first few hours of the game, there is very little DF mechanics in the game apart from a few 15 min burst while you clear a planet for use. Note, I find missiles still easier vs a large ground fleet for clearing the planet post relays, especially at earlier research levels.
It is probably intended, targeting supply lines is basic warfare. You then have the choice of waiting for then to run out of resources, or strike them to speed it up. The only balancing might be if the dark fog started attacking your interstellar drones, but that would be too annoying, after all, this is a factory game, not a RTS. Also, it does seem like more is planned for space combat, and when that gets added, the space hives will also be made stronger.
Hey Niluas, i started to watch your videos more regularly and i saw you were building wind turbines only on land. Did you know about offshore capability of these things at the start of this series?
i've gotten to the point in my game with proliferated antimatter fuel and shield upgrades that when i make planetfall, i just use droneships to clear the planet and solar system, then set up defenses to ensure it's not going to be assaultedi n the future by a seed.
How come you aren't using the ctrl-click to send your fighters in, instead of flying too close? You can move the yellow launching boxes out up to 1AU away from you. This way you stay at a far distance while the ships go into battle and regen closer to the fighting.
100% my preferred way to clear a planet (or even system) late game. I don't even bother building a base until after I've cleared the entire planet. If you are looking to clear an entire system, I like to clear all the relay stations from orbit first, and then land to start clearing out a planet. They are often completely unpowered by the time you return. Yes, hives will rebuild new bases, but they waste resources on new relay stations and those relay stations are built and deployed slowly.
If power is an issue as you do the attack, couldn't you drop a geothermal once the first place is cleared and stack some wireless power towers to try to charge yourself? Maybe that wouldn't be very much power, or it'd be destroyed too fast to be practical. Not sure, just a thought 🤷
Played the demo of shapes2... good fun. Thoughts about maybe playing this with reduced graphics on a Low Power Linux system? I like to build up a bunch of industry and let it run during the work week when my time is in demand for IRL problem solving. I then come back on weekends to update mining, replace gaps in industry and also scale up as needed. It seems ok at the end game to turn it sorta into an idle game. What do you think?
Yeah game fully changes after you get 3-4 (or more) levels in to white science. Lots of really long grinding afterwards which is a bit annoying. Great series, thanks!
Destroyer is far better than corvette. Just go full Destroyer squad. I am a bit further into the tech tree, it take 3-5 mins to kill all the fliers and another 5 mins to destroy the base with avg lose 250 - 500 Destroyers depends on the tech level of the hive.
I have been wondering why the planetary bases run out of energy. After all, they are sitting on a perfect geothermal source. Perhaps something the developers will add, in a future patch - to make the bases more difficult to deal with.
Hmmm I hadn’t looked that deeply into it. Good to know, though also kinda unfortunate - there are probably players who would relish the struggle of planetary bases still remaining a very significant threat even with the relay (or hive) destroyed.
I was wondering why the output of a dyson sphere in this game is dependant on it's surface size. Why not build a small sphere completely enshrouding the star, and harvest all energy ?
i also wondered that, but then i remember that u can have multiple spheres on the same stars, and each one gives energy, so maybe we should not overthink it.
@@ИгрокИгроков-в3ы a stars radiation is always the same. It doesnt matter if you collect 100% radiation in a small or big radius sphere, all that matters is that you are collecting 100%. You dont get more radiation from a bigger sphere. However what you could argue is, that the energy harvesting may get less efficient on higher radiation levels, resulting in more efficient harvesting and therefor more energy gained from a bigger sphere. If you now also assume, that the energy that cannot be harvested just passes through, you get an explanation on why multispheres are working (more specifically you could assume that the sphere material can only absorb a certain level of radiation per surface area and that the rest just passes through unhindered to get the exact behaviour from the game).
How is this even a question? Of coarse you can clear a planet with only drones. This is all I ever use. Takes about 5 mins to clear out a max infested planet. If you fly in tight circles around the enemy base, they very rarely land a shot, and by doing so all your drones swarm the buildings wiping them out very fast.
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1 - it is better to storm enemy bases on foot, since in this case they will not immediately start shooting at you from all guns
2 - rockets are not very effective due to the long flight time, they are better to provoke enemies from afar
3 - shotgun loads work well against an oncoming horde, even in this game
4 - purple spheres with antimatter work very well against the base; they literally destroy entire zones with turrets. By the way, they can work well in quick raids, while flying, shoot at the nearest photon cannon, fly off and land
When your space factory game suddenly turns into Vampire Survivor
More like whack-a-mole
the implosion cannon shells are the best weapon for Icarus when clearing a planet, the splash damage is insane, and it forces them away.
Late game antimatter capsules only
I was gonna mention this, but I'm way late. I agree because the drones have zero AoE. They take care of the focus fire, Icarus needs to be on artillery.
Hi Nilaus, so as i was cleaning my sector, i did what you did: (i play on default difficulty - this is my first DSP playthrough)destroy relay station to starve Dark fog, but instead of instantly landing and clearing it out, i went to shoot down all relay stations in whole system. then deal with the hive, and then i'm actually leaving ground bases for themselves until i will be building on that planet. In general time needed to kill hive is almost enoough for ground bases to deplete their resources so when you finally come to kill them, it's only leftover units, all buildings are powered off. this helps to keep ground units loss count very low :)
When you destroy the relay stations, the bases can't get any more energy. But they have a bit of a storage, so all you need to do is wait like 1 or 2 minutes after clearing the relay stations, then you should not get any raids at all and the laser turrets will be disabled. Smaller bases take longer to run out, because they have a lower passive power consumption.
I only noticed those numbers the other day after launching my first sphere. Had to Google " what do the two single digits mean on the top left of the screen in Dyson sphere".
I play with sphere off now. Probably need to upgrade the gtx970
Yes, kill the relay station and wait a few minutes for them to power down. Same goes for hives... After you wipe out all relays, they still have some matter stored so you just need to whittle them down to exhaust their storage... Take over all planets with shields or missiles to kill the relays as they land since it takes matter to build relays.
I feel like the easiest way is probably make a smaller landfall base to help clean the attacking waves and then just clean everything with the ships.
Yes, missiles are easier, especially with a small ground fleet.
@@chemie7037in my experience definitely not. I've currently only got 4 fleets (green matrix tech) and have been clearing planets on max difficulty with no problem. Only using attack drone myself.
@@theonlycolby I was referring to purple science level fleet.
Great video. Hit ctrl while at a distance from a space hive and it brings up the drones attack UI. Send them out to the distance from Icarus to the hive and just sit back and watch your drones plough through them
Works with the ground assault as well. Just make sure you're in battle mode (Z).
Hi Nilaus. Thanks for another great video! Would you consider a "complete" drones tutorial; the various types and what they are used for, understanding the UI, shortcut keys, etc?
considering what we are to do in the game and what the dark fogs does and produces "drops" and the after effect of these "liberated" planets, i struggle to think are we destroying the dark fog or have we become the dark fog?
While space combat needs improvement you don't need to do fly bys. While in combat mode you can hold ctrl and a 2d grid appears, you can then click somewhere on the grid to send your space units there, it can be hard to know they are going to the right spot but eventually they will engage the hive, move them away a bit to pull the units away from the turrets. Control the plane the 2d grid is on by moving Icarus' pitch and yaw.
Needs a rts style view hopefully it gets better.
Fighting the space hives definitely needs a revamp.
its incomplete from my understanding.
Yes, space bases/battle stations are coming later this year
@@cncmasterw you are correct they have plans to work on them.
Hope they add starbases for fleets and Shipyard to build missile cruiser and carriers
1:30 SHALOM MY GOOD MAN
It's fun to do a "simple" drone only attack, but as you have shown, it HITS your frames (I swore I saw a 12 in the top left at some point).
Maybe some charging poles next to a geothermal plant to provide a breif reprieve and an energy top up?
To solve the issue with your own energy, it is better to make a mini production of batteries based on dark fog. There are 72 giga joules and, with full proliferation, a 2300% rate of energy recovery. Then there will be no drawdown.
You know you could have put down some wireless power towers around the geothermal plants you were using. Would have helped a lot with your power issues while your drones fought.
Easiest way to kill the bases is to literally land right in the center of them. You take the least amount of damage since your drones are all around you taking aggro, and the towers and spawners are dying fast. Even early on, i cleaned out planetary bases this way. Fighting them from long range causes a lot more damage to icarus because the drones lag behind you and the bases target you directly, meanwhile keeping your drones occupied with constant spawns.
Not watched the video yet, but drones is what I've been using for expansion. All i have researched is everything for green matrix. It works so well that I haven't had to setup a landfall base in quite awhile now, such a time saver.
the way I did my last couple system that worked pretty well:
1. Warp to each planet and allow your fleet to wipe out the relays from orbit which will trigger space attacks but start to starve out both the ground and space dark swarm.
2. Use ground drones to clear and establish Polar Hub + missiles targeting upper air + 1 shield to protect the hub. Repeat for each planet.
After this is done you actually have the system effectively under control. Both ground and space swarms will start to starve without relays. First time I cleared a planet and started pulling resources off it before dealing with other planets, but you can easily clear planets with drones + towers for missiles. I didn't even bother with BABs. Next system i went straight for space swarms. It just takes a while to break through the defenses but since you have the planets under control you can easily go resupply or top up energy if you are doing this before white research.
I'm looking forward to the next updates and more space stuff. We really need the space hives to be more menacing and better tools to fight them and intercepting seeds.
Now that you're at the point of testing the limits of the Dark Fog, going from the original missile blueprint to this, the drone push, how do you think they should be balanced?
Right now it seems more-or-less like a tower defense mobile game, which I think is fine given that it's a secondary or tertiary mechanic, but what would be a fare challenge? Stronger hive sort of like how factorio does it? It seems the game is really at it's limits with the quantity, so I can't think of any other ideas. Maybe a Death Star sort of Hive, where it only begins development once you've unlocked interstellar logistics, that can disregard all defenses, and requires the player to engage directly, or with a very high level of automated defense.
As always, love the videos, this is by far my favorite recent series.
Stack 2 seems fun to play, but this is far more entertaining to watch.
Thank you for a good video!
Incredible!!!
I feel like the relay thing exposes a flaw in a game mechanic. Killing relays is fast and easy and not only makes clearing planets trivial (essentially eliminating the entire role of the bases) but essentially makes the space hive inert (denying matter) without any real difficulty (I guess you cleared the hive for entertainment purposes but the hive can be ignored with no relays on planets you care about). So not sure why we need space platforms etc given ability to inert the hive via relay destruction. This means after the first few hours of the game, there is very little DF mechanics in the game apart from a few 15 min burst while you clear a planet for use. Note, I find missiles still easier vs a large ground fleet for clearing the planet post relays, especially at earlier research levels.
It is probably intended, targeting supply lines is basic warfare. You then have the choice of waiting for then to run out of resources, or strike them to speed it up.
The only balancing might be if the dark fog started attacking your interstellar drones, but that would be too annoying, after all, this is a factory game, not a RTS.
Also, it does seem like more is planned for space combat, and when that gets added, the space hives will also be made stronger.
Nice. Show how looks your sphere around the black hole from black hole's horizon.
You could've charged using their own power too, to add insult to the injury:p
It would have been funny, yes - sitting there in the middle of some wireless power towers while the drones clear the incoming waves.
Nilaus any chance of finishing some of the blueprints on your Drive? Early Hub looks like it was half-overhauled and then nothing else.
so, is Dyson Sphere a giant solar panel array around a star/ solar system?
yes
You use the wrong ammo. If you use plasma or antimatter capsule, you can basically kill the whole swarm with one shot.
Hey Niluas, i started to watch your videos more regularly and i saw you were building wind turbines only on land. Did you know about offshore capability of these things at the start of this series?
13:55 they cant spam when they like 50 or 80 units. Then they run out. Lol I think you mentioned that when you first took a planet with space fleets
A possible challenge is to complete the game without leaving the home planet. Using a dark fog farm to get everything needed.
i've gotten to the point in my game with proliferated antimatter fuel and shield upgrades that when i make planetfall, i just use droneships to clear the planet and solar system, then set up defenses to ensure it's not going to be assaultedi n the future by a seed.
How come you aren't using the ctrl-click to send your fighters in, instead of flying too close? You can move the yellow launching boxes out up to 1AU away from you. This way you stay at a far distance while the ships go into battle and regen closer to the fighting.
You get the upgraded fuel tech at lvl 24, not 29.
100% my preferred way to clear a planet (or even system) late game. I don't even bother building a base until after I've cleared the entire planet.
If you are looking to clear an entire system, I like to clear all the relay stations from orbit first, and then land to start clearing out a planet. They are often completely unpowered by the time you return. Yes, hives will rebuild new bases, but they waste resources on new relay stations and those relay stations are built and deployed slowly.
If power is an issue as you do the attack, couldn't you drop a geothermal once the first place is cleared and stack some wireless power towers to try to charge yourself? Maybe that wouldn't be very much power, or it'd be destroyed too fast to be practical. Not sure, just a thought 🤷
Played the demo of shapes2... good fun. Thoughts about maybe playing this with reduced graphics on a Low Power Linux system? I like to build up a bunch of industry and let it run during the work week when my time is in demand for IRL problem solving. I then come back on weekends to update mining, replace gaps in industry and also scale up as needed. It seems ok at the end game to turn it sorta into an idle game. What do you think?
At which point did you switch from MK2 to MK3 missiles? I can't find MK3 in your blueprint catalogue.
Yeah game fully changes after you get 3-4 (or more) levels in to white science. Lots of really long grinding afterwards which is a bit annoying. Great series, thanks!
Swarms of corvettes work best against structures. Destroyers are slow and stop entirely when they fire. Corvettes don't.
Well, we need you to show off your new PC!
yusss new DSP video
Destroyer is far better than corvette. Just go full Destroyer squad. I am a bit further into the tech tree, it take 3-5 mins to kill all the fliers and another 5 mins to destroy the base with avg lose 250 - 500 Destroyers depends on the tech level of the hive.
My hardest battles is when i desperately need irons and only one planet have it near me but fill with 20 bases, near 2 hour to cut them all 🥵
they demolish HOLLY SHIT!!
I have been wondering why the planetary bases run out of energy. After all, they are sitting on a perfect geothermal source.
Perhaps something the developers will add, in a future patch - to make the bases more difficult to deal with.
Very easily-they demand more power than one geothermal borehole can produce.
Hmmm I hadn’t looked that deeply into it. Good to know, though also kinda unfortunate - there are probably players who would relish the struggle of planetary bases still remaining a very significant threat even with the relay (or hive) destroyed.
Do you play whit any mods at all?
I was wondering why the output of a dyson sphere in this game is dependant on it's surface size. Why not build a small sphere completely enshrouding the star, and harvest all energy ?
i also wondered that, but then i remember that u can have multiple spheres on the same stars, and each one gives energy, so maybe we should not overthink it.
It is a game. In reality no Dyson Sphere is possible anyways. Orbital Decay and ejections and pulsations are a star thing.
Because there is more surface that collects energy, while the solar radiation doesnt reduce very much
@@ИгрокИгроков-в3ы a stars radiation is always the same. It doesnt matter if you collect 100% radiation in a small or big radius sphere, all that matters is that you are collecting 100%. You dont get more radiation from a bigger sphere. However what you could argue is, that the energy harvesting may get less efficient on higher radiation levels, resulting in more efficient harvesting and therefor more energy gained from a bigger sphere. If you now also assume, that the energy that cannot be harvested just passes through, you get an explanation on why multispheres are working (more specifically you could assume that the sphere material can only absorb a certain level of radiation per surface area and that the rest just passes through unhindered to get the exact behaviour from the game).
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Also, missiles suck. Idk why. Use shells and antimatter
Skiped almost all the vid, the soil pick up noise was driving me nuts
How is this even a question? Of coarse you can clear a planet with only drones. This is all I ever use. Takes about 5 mins to clear out a max infested planet. If you fly in tight circles around the enemy base, they very rarely land a shot, and by doing so all your drones swarm the buildings wiping them out very fast.