Why was the Venator Class Star Destroyer Scrapped by the Empire?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- The Venator Class Star Destroyer was one of the more common ships being scrapped at the Bracca scrap yards, we try to find out why Emperor Palpatine retired this powerful ship just after 8 years of service.
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Seeing all those republic vehicles being scrapped is a crime in its self
@@davidordaz5251 Doesn't really matter considering how stagnant technology in Star Wars is.
They might not have been built with a long service life in mind.
@@jamesricker3997 if we include legends in the mix palpatine might've scrapped the republic ships cause it ain't gonna be effective against yuuzhan vong. in legends every thing palpatine did was for preparing the galaxy for the arrival of vongs , the death star was suppose to be a mobile fortress and it's main purpose isn't to destroy insubordinate planets, though it does a good job at it. it's main purpose is to be a command ship / main gun to shoot down massive planet size vong ships.
that's the whole reason why palpitine wanted to be the emperor to preserve galaxy against the vongs. well like they say road way to hell is paved with good intentions. but that doesn't mean palpatine is a good guy ... he is far from it ... he just doesn't like the idea of him losing against an alien species from another galaxy.
Seeing an entire lucrehulk getting scrapped is not just a crime, but outright repulsive
@@davidordaz5251 the venator seems more technologically advanced than the imperial star destroyer and the arc fighter and the y wing were way better than the tie fighter or tie bomber
Because the twin bridge layout reminded Vader of Jar Jar Bink's face.
Holy crap! Now that you mention it, the Venator DOES look like a Gungan's head!
Damn, that just might be it :'D I think he'd rather have a sandcrawler than any reminder that he hung out with Binks ^^
@@floutsch oh yeah!
I can never look at the Venator the same way ever again.
This is also why the b1s were phased out. Not cause they were weak, basic and inefficient on a battlefield... it's cause they look like gungan skeletons
Anyone else love the early days of the empire where they used clones, venators, v-wings, etc.?
I love v wings
Yeah, but they were brutal towards the Separatist Holdouts, and the Seppies were my favourite bunch, with the exception of Sith Lords and War Criminals in it’s ranks
Waffles _2018 _x YES THE RISE OF THE EMPIRE ERRA , a month after revenge of the sith
I do like the separatist holdouts, but I like this era cause it’s sorta like a combo of the trilogies
New empire with the old republic gear
Yes cause thats when the ball was rolling
So in short Venator had to die because it was too expensive and reminded people of wrong kind of space wizards, giving them hope instead of fear? :D
Ehta how is your comment 10 hours ago
patreon
The image is sometimes as important as the fonction when you are an egocentric sith emperor
Yeah pretty much. Palpatine was an expert in force and political related affairs, but lacked skill in standard military strategy
Then you sell it to the private sector. Itd make a perfect planetary defens ship.
*puts its pilots through rigorous training and only selecting the best of the best*
*puts them in a fighter that doesn't even have life support*
DeAth makes them stronger
@@sasquatch668able also capital ships in star wars are mostly no where near large enough to present a significant gravitational pull. Even if it did, TIEs fly in atmosphere all the time just fine so gravity clearly isn't that big a problem
@@sasquatch668able huh i have seen quite a few videos about space combat in star wars and I of course knew they had artificial gravity generators, never heard of them being effective outside of the ship though. I stand corrected
@@sasquatch668able ah so that's what that was. I always thought it was control system damage or pilot error thst caused that, thanks for letting me know either way
They were designed to defend star destroyers or shoot civilians
Looking to buy a venator class Star destroyer ALL ORIGINAL PARTS, prefer low mileage, cosmetic damage ok
When Imperials ask me about my views on the right to bear arms...
This is quite the scam I can already tell
I have one
I wish I had one D:
@@craig.9229 one? I am looking to unload 5. Buy three and you get free shipping, includes complimentary load of v wing interceptors and y-wings. I also know where you can get some "large freighters" if you catch my drift.
Real world: goes from the battleship to the carrier
Star Wars: carrier to battleship
I once saw an interesting theory that said that if you take just the OT in isolation, it could be interpreted as taking place in an age when the giant battleships of old are starting to be overtaken by fighters and bombers (perhaps because of some new invention, like the proton torpedo). In that interpretation, the Venator would actually be the successor to the Imperial, not the predecessor.
May swing back due to advances in lasers, rail guns, and electronics warfare. The first aircraft carrier was only 105 years ago, just a blip in naval history.
Personally I feel like the Tarkin doctrine is just what Imperial Japan was doing to an extreme.
@@Cpt_Boony_Hat Yamoto was laid down in 1937 sort of a last of her breed.
@@benwilson1088 I was semi commenting on there view that the carriers would kill are carriers then the cruisers would drop there torps and then the Yam kills everything afterwards p. Along with the fact how thr IJN went from having carriers at the start of the war to having to relay on BBS at the end I.e Leyte Gulf and Tengo
So many Easter eggs in this game. Feels real good to have a legitimate star wars game
I saw the Troop Transports from Rebels and there is the mentions of the CW era Nighsister massacre to RO Tie Reaper and Cargo Shuttle with what looks like an early Tie Interceptor used by Secend Sister.
@@luisemoralesfalcon4716 and don't forget the ninth stister's TIE striker.
@@leventelevai643 Never, but that was a Tie Reaper (cargo ship).
they already screwed up enough times.
It's a fun and interesting game for sure, but fuck me is it simple, mainstream as fuck and dumbed the fuck down so much that I feel like I'm playing a movie almost ala The Order 1886.
Son: Can we have Star Destroyer? (Venator Class Star Destroyer)
Mom: We have Star Destroyer at home.
Star Destroyer at home:
*Imperial Class Star Destroyer*
Saemin Kang I would take both
@THE MEMER no
THE MEMER absolutely not
Victory Class 1
Laughs in Lucrehulk
I personally love the way a Ventor Star Destroyer looked
Agreed. Out of all the Star Destroyer designs the Venator is my favorite.
It looks like an arrowhead.
In short the clone star destroyer was a stop gap solution that was good enough to fight a short term war but not good enough to be the backbone of an Galaxy spamming empire.
It still would've served well as a dedicated carrier dotted in small amounts among Imperial Class SD fleets.
I think the Empire learned the lessons of the Clone Wars too well, in a match of carriers, the Republic would always be outmatched in terms of fighters and bombers by the sheer numbers and easy replacements of the CIS droids ships. The best strategy would be to knock out the carrier ships and then retreat and wait for the droid fighters to run out of fuel, and using a ship like an Imperial Class would be perfect for that job. Unfortunately the next opponent they fought in the rebel alliance was the entire opposite of what the Star Destroyers were built for.
That's genuinely the best argument I've heard yet. The Empire is conducting a massive military build up based on the assumption that the next war will be fought along the same battle lines as the last one which has been a common mistake made by militaries throughout history. The Empire was perfectly designed to defeat the CIS in an open war that never came.
Or that the Emperor is just an incompetent military commander, using fear factor yet impractical weapons to quell rebellion. After all, no planetary system would dare secede the Empire and form another CIS.
Nice.
The problem is the empire forgot the tiny factor of putting in point defenses weapons
@@JohnSmith-qz6xb they had a decent amount in the Imperial-I star destroyer, but the Imperial-II class removed them entirely
You know, it broke my heart when seeing all those Ventars being scrapped down. All those battles those ships been through and just seeing them being scrapped is truly devastating.
Huh didn't expect to get a lot likes in this comment
Just like the battleships that were salvaged after Pearl harbor only to end up scrapped or sunk in nuclear bomb tests.
@@sergeantdornan4386 a real bloody shame and waste
@JT if it was up to me, I would repurpose those ships because of how they actually were in space combat. Most of the Rebellion and New Republic fleet wasn't really the best in my opinion
As a boy who grew up watching The Clone Wars and the Venator, seeing the ships I grew up with in this state really tore me up
We needed new ship models to sell in stores.
Oh
Lol
So *thats* how you funded the Death Star
Ok
The sight of Venators being destroyed made me, the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Church of the Broken God cry. It also pissed of the Iron Hands and annoyed Anderson Robotics
hey uh wrong universe bro
*stares at 173 intensely*
It wasn’t triangular enough
Jaela Aurelius does....does that matter?
Tarkin Doctrine favours doritos...
@@centurion0-199 I think you got wooooshed, it was a joke.
@@warrelambert1988 don't utter the word woooosh, I think saying it's a joke is sufficient enough.
Venator will still be mah babeh no matter what
I was counting on the Rebels to swipe a few of them for their fleets before they got scrapped
kempmt1 They had the Liberation, which was a Venator.
@@nomaem3341 what happened to it?
Cancerous Content
Is there a way to view this ship? Comic?
Liberation was mostly crewed by Kota’s men. Elite Rebel Vets. Beautiful ship. I love using her in EAW AOTR. I always get my hands on a couple Venators so she has two sisters. Love Venators but you should always send about three just to be safe. Better investment than an ISD at least
@@harrybade8315 So your telling me that in a galaxy full of Quadrillions (which is still a small fucking number all things considered galaxy-wise) with a rebellion that *_DEFINITELY_* numbers in the billions they don't have the capacity to fill a Venator with at least a skeleton crew?
The already established lore of the original trilogy was a constraint that the new writers had to face. Props to them for creating reasonable explanations for small lore details like replacing an entire fleet with new ships (ISD I and ISD II series).
Disney+ is the REAL Empire.
Download vpn and wallah
purely capitalist empire, Disney.
Gave us mando tho
*insert 9+ star wars shows and many marvel shows here*
I'm sure they wanted them scrapped quickly so that the surplus ships didn't make their way into local system's security fleets.
Why didn’t the rebellion use venator star destroyers?
Simple Answer: Because George Lucas haven't thought about that back in 1970s.
Long Answer: Rebellion directed most of the funding to procure X Wings and A Wings, so they have no money left to buy Venators in the end they had to resort to converted civilian vessels like MC80.
Also the Starhawk battlecruisers during and after the Galactic Civil War are rumoured to be another Hammerhead variant, however some fans thought it was a more advanced version of Venator, maybe Ep9 will reveal what Starhawk really is.
@@ReviveHF additional reason - because all venators were scrapped by the time rebellion started? :P
(and only people who could actually build them were imperials sooooo)
Because most got scrapped.
@@ReviveHF Another thing can be a factor is that the Venators are crew intensive, meaning the rebels need more man power to crew it than what they have.
They did use oen or two in legends, I think. But they were crew intensive so like the Lucrehulk training base, they were mostly used as mobile bases...
Uh no, the Sith needed a massive ship building program to disguise secret weapon programs like the Death Star. And all-powerful dictators don't care about costs
Lol what? How does a "power dictator" not care about costs? They cant just pull money out of their ass.
@@robertharris6092 well any government can print money and when your Emperor and can't be voted out of power you can
#1 create as many imperial credits as you want
#2 take money through forced taxes
#3 or simply don't pay anything for supplies or labor. For instance they enslaved as many wookies as they wanted for labor rather than worry about market costs of paying skilled labor.
@@bullbythehorns808 its still a waste of resources and more importantly lazy writing.
@@bullbythehorns808 Inflation doesn't create productivity. Cost matters & no amount of wheelbarrows of printed cash worth no more than the paper it's printed on will change that
@@bullbythehorns808 #1 Get a better understanding of economics. Credits would devalue, "printing" more would do nothing. He still had to act within the economy. He was a dicatator, he wasn't all powerful. He was certainly the strongest in galactic history, but he needed logistics much like real life.
#2 They already did that.
#3 They enslaved aliens because the majority of the republic/empire was human, and they fostered xenophobia so they accepted it as okay to enslave them because they're not the same as humans.
Why? Because they were already being replaced in Republic service by the more capable Victory class of Star Destroyer. The Victory had less fighters, but better shielding, more Turbo laser's, and better point defense.
When the Empire designed the Imperial class, it wasn't just based around the Tarkin Doctrine. The ship itself replaces three other classes; the Victory in the anti ship role, the Venator in the carrier role, and the Acclimator in the Assault role.
But the imperial class only did one of these well, anti ship. In all other roles it really kinda sucks, for example the ISD1 holds 76 fighters, the venator holds 400 so as a better carrier it fails on all accounts. Same goes for the assault role the ISD1 can't enter atmosphere and deploy its troops, the acclimator can and even in space it can deploy its troops faster. And then in the anti ship role where the ISD1 excels it won't be very useful since no one really has large ships anymore except the empire and the ISD is terrible against star fighters which is mostly what it would be fighting. So it doesn't really replace the other classes at all in actuality. And to make it worse a single venator with a full fighter&bomber compliment would absolutely destroy an ISD1 because before the ISD can even get in range the ridiculous amount of fighters and bombers would probably be able to take out the shields and engines.
TLDR the ISD is good in theory but in practice is a significant step back.
@@zynarax The Venator's amount of fighters were designed to deal with the droid fighter swarms. Post Clone Wars, ( up to the height of the Rebellion, which was 20 years later), there was absolutely no need for that many fighters. During those years, there wasn't that many full blown planetary assaults, so the Acclimator was useless. Toss in the Victory, now you have 3 ship types, that you have to crew and maintain, in a period that you don't need them.
The ISD could carry 20 AT-AT, 30 AT-ST's, 15 Troop Transports, and up to 9,700 troops. That amount right there is enough to put the Acclimator out of business. As for entering atmosphere, I distinctly Remember seeing a ISD in atmosphere in Rogue 1. The preferred method is to use Assault shuttles, but they can get closer if necessary. Don't get me wrong, the ISD does have faults, the lack of point defense being a major one, but the movies don't do the ship any justice. At least in the books, they remember that the thing also mounts 60 ION CANNONS! And 1 of the major losses to Rebel fighters was more bad tactics than bad ship design. Early in the Rebellion, having a simple Combat Space Patrol out would have saved alot of ships.
@@gregdomenico1891 Plus the Victory had 80 fucking concussion missile tubes which made it an absolutely ridiculous planetary assault platform. An Imperator could Base Delta Zero the planet, sure, but a Victory was a better choice for actually assaulting it. The only real issue the Victory had was it was slow. It was incredibly slow. Both at sublight speeds and in hyperspace.
@@gregdomenico1891 Having a battleship instead of a carrier against a guerilla movement is the dumbest idea ever, how people defend the tarkin doctrine in the Rebellion era, is beyond me.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 couple of points of contention; The Venators in the timeline were scrapped 5 years after the end of the Clone wars ; ten years before the Rebellion even got really going. So yes, the ISD predates the Rebellion. And they were fine during that period.
As for during the Rebellion, until the later major scale fleet actions, having a Carrier heavy fleet only wouldn't have helped the Empire.
And here's the reason why; in the beginning, the Rebels hit lightly defended convoys and bases. Their advantage was having hyperdrive equipped fighters; they could pick the time and place of the attack. Even if the Empire had a Carrier, say a modified Venator, the Rebels still have a major advantage. Even though technically the Venator has the fighter advantage in numbers, only a couple of fighters are actually in space , with maybe a squadron on 5 minutes ready standby. Most people (especially Sci-fi TH-camrs) just look at the numbers that it carries, and think it can launch them at a moment's notice. That's not the way Carrier op's work. Unless directly in combat, only a fraction of them are manned. You can't keep pilots in them 24/7. Also, it takes time to launch them all. The only way they would have been devastating against the Rebellion, would have been if the Carrier was paired up with a Interdictor, and some Lancers. That way, the Carrier would have time to bring it's full compliment to bare, before the Rebels jumped back out. What killed most ISD's was their lack of point defense; they couldn't hold off the Rebel fighters long enough to get their own fighters off. ( Sorry about the long reply, Carrier's are great, but they do have limitations).
No matter how much this all makes sense, it still hurts to know my favorite ship was replaced. :(
The venator filosophy is like modern carrier filosophy, focused on fighters and bombers, to do most of the fighting, the imperial class is more like pree ww1 and early ww2 filosophy focused on heavily armored ships taking and delivering heavy punch, old battleship focused filosophy
ISDs were primarily orbital siege platforms that also happened to be good at taking down other capital ships as well. They were mainly used for invasions and orbital bombardment, with TIE Fighters pretty much there to defend the Star Destroyer from fighters that could threaten the command tower. During the early Imperial Era when the Tarkin Doctrine developed, there wasnt much need for efficient ship-to-ship pitched battles like the sort in the Clone Wars, since the Rebellion mostly just had fighters, light frigates, small cruisers, and corvettes, relying on hit-and-run tactics. TIEs kept the fighters at bay, and the Star Destroyer could pick off the light cruisers and frigates. Aside from a few Mon Calamari cruisers (which were defensively beastly, but lacked the offensive power to threaten an ISD directly), and a Lucrehulk or two, the Rebel fleet didnt have much. The pre-Yavin Imperial Navy had far more use for orbital siege platforms/mobile bases than they did for a naval carrier
@@BroadwayRonMexico the ISD were basicly gun platforms, yes their purpose was to smash a planets defences and bombard the surface, ence the pre ww1 doctrine lots of guns and to shamsh a ship our defences, but i will disagree whit you on the use of the TIE they were there yes to only suport the main ship, they were usles in a dog fight exept on mass, one x wing was wort 6 TIE, the empire doctrines were similar to the Mahan doctrine, large capital ships fireing numerous guns, they had nothing that could go against a fast frigate and that was also their downfall,
Seeing all those Clone Wars era vessels getting scrapped broke my heart. I loved the Venators from the first moment and seeing them consigned unceremoniously to the scrap heap was painful.
Still it probably the most balance ship in the series
The Venator isn't even that versatile in my opinion. As was layed out in this video it was great as a carrier and had good speed and shielding. But it realy lacked firepower. Despite what Episode III and The Clone Wars show us, Venators are not designed for ship to ship combat against things like a Providence-class.
@@jonasb104 it lacked in firepower department but it more than made up for it with top of the line fighters, and tons of them. Unlike droid fighters or even Imperial ones, they were really great fighters.
@@KoteDarasuum Of course it made up for it. The Venator is a great ship...in it's role as carrier.
I just wanted to point out it isn't as versatile as people always say it is.
@@jonasb104 Well yes that is fair. I mean there is a reason why Imperator (renamed Imperial I during age of Galactic Empire) and Victory class star destroyers were made in legends, not sure of canon. but atleast in legends Republic knew they need heavy hitters to compliment their Venators carrier capability
@Deathsdayoff person Sure, through it's fighters it can practically do anything that needs to be done. But that doesn't make the ship itself very versatile, just it's fighters. Your point stands though.
The Venator Star Destroyer, since it was launched into service so quickly, was poorly armored and minimally shielded.
The Empire was big on waste. To keep the citizens busy, on the worlds it occupied, it build ships and weapons with a short lifespan. This kept the factory workers hard at work to keep the Empire supplied; instead of organizing and assisting in the rebellions.
It would also make sense that the Venator was a rushed stop gap measure for the clone wars. Built quickly and in large numbers but only expected to have a very short service life. Take real world emergency ship building programs like the liberty ships, flower class corvettes, various escort carriers, ect. They were all built quickly and in large numbers but following the end of ww2 the majority were scrapped with some being sold off or converted to other roles. Personally I think it's quite realistic to see things like the Venator phased out or scrapped soon after the end of the clone wars
@@themadhammer3305 I believe that Star Killer Base was a phase 3 ultimate weapon Palpatine developed to destroy planets the Empire could not conquer -- like Mandalor or Naboo. But he didn't like to see his ultimate weapon used.....or did he?!?
One of the things that kinda irks me about current cannon is how quickly things get swept aside like the Empire completely collapsing in only a few years.
There was a good 20yrs from the end of the clonewars to the start of the orginal trilogy and the Venator was almost 10yrs old at the time meaning the the class was almost 30yrs old by then. Given that it would of made more sense to have them phased out over that 20yr period rather all at once do to not only a shift in doctrine but on the rational it would be to hard and costly to not only update their 30yr old technology but to update them to fit in with the Tarkin Doctrine.
I definitely prefer how this was handled in Legends, where the Clone Wars era tech was phased out gradually instead of being outright replaced for the sake of appealing to OT nostalgia.
in legends, the venators and acclamators were often simply relegated to un important backwater territories, while the imperial classes made up the bulk of the Empire's elite strike forces like death squadron. It made a lot more sense from a financial standpoint
They where scrapped because in the 70's star wars movies there where no Venators arround, so they had to get rid of them somehow
They should have taken a hybrid fleet approach to their new military doctrine. ISDs were useful for subduing CIS holdouts and deterring other potential large military threats and Venators were ideal for serving in the Outer rim territories where the Empire often found themselves too thin. Venator fleets would also be ideal for service in loyalist systems as a sort of carrot to the ISD's stick. The Empire also should have dedicated a contingent of Venators to serve as mobile support platforms for a dedicated Starfighter Corps. to counter the growing Rebel Threat.
If the Imperial Navy had used the Star Destroyer as it was intended enemy Star Fighters wouldn't have been a problem.
The Tie fighters were intended to act as an Imperial Star Destroyer Point defense system. Overly aggressive (mostly all) Imperial officers use the Tie fighters as a strike force leaving the Star Destroyer vulnerable to attack.
@@jamesricker3997 TIEs still have to be deployed. That takes time. A good hit and run attack can take less time. The best point defense system is A POINT DEFENSE SYSTEM. Even if they sacrificed a third of the ISD's turbolasers, it would've still easily been the most well armed ship of its class.
Star Wars Fans : The Venator Class Star destroyer
Star Wars Nerds : The Venator Class Carier
CLone Wars Chaarcters : The Venator Class Cruiser
@That One Lad The death star : The venator class fighter
The Venator Class Star Carrier?
Navy Boys : Venator class Aviation Destroyer
Gigachads: Republic Venator-Class Command Cruiser 'Negotiator'
Venators were one of the sexiest looking ships in starwars change my mind
NEVER!!!
what the empire should have done is pair 2-4 venators with an isd in battle groups well equipped to fight highly mobile small ship fleets that the rebels commonly used
The rebels would have loved to have gotten their hands on a few to use as a mobile base of operations
So to use the Venator almost like an auxiliary or support carrier?
@@nomaem3341 yea their compliments of hundreds of fighters each would crush any rebel fighter wings and they have bombers and main guns to assist with anti cap duty as the Japanese and Americans learned during ww2 a single carrier is worth much more than a single battleship
How come we haven’t seen old venator star destroyers run by space pirates or something. We see pretty much every other ship from the clone wars run by other parties.
best in universe guess? keeping even a single venator repaired, supplied, fueled and staffed required far more capital than most pirate outfits could manage. With groups that relied on smaller hyperspace capable vessels, someone who could field a venator would be better served using it as a mobile, or semi mobile base of operations safely tucked away out of the action. It can move around, so authorities never know where they're operating from, Pirates could hit up a venator for rest repairs and refueling, get their forces organized, Hop a few systems over in hyperspace, hit a few choice vessels, and then hop back. Rinse repeat.
Vader killed all the hipsters, so there’s no nostalgia for them lol
In legends a Mandalorian faction had one in Empire at War Forces of Corruption.
Also in Legends the Smuggler Booster Terrick owned an Imperial Star Destroyer named the Errant Venture. He could barely afford to keep it space worthy. In one book, half the bridge systems were down, the turbolift system was barely functional, and he only had 3 working turbolasers.
@@murphsmodels8853 lol thats cool tho
The empire should have kept them. Even though it was a carrier rather than a star destroyer, just imagine how many tie fighters you cod fit in those things
What I am really getting from these videos is that the Republic and Empire not just opposed one another politically and socially, but economically, militarily and doctrinaire wise as well. The military aspect of the Republic/Empire seemed to do a complete 180 after the war ended, opting for the mass produced "good enough" style of military rather than the over engineered and overly versatile quality-over-quantity ideas that The Old Republic had favored.
old rep has quality because they didnt have or need anything in quantity, in a comic mace windu strom a planet with some fighters from judical force that have 5 times price tag of a x-wing.
You know that massive fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers in the new Trailer for episode 9? Moth balled Venators and lucrehulks.
Easily the venator is one of the most beautiful ships in the whole of Star Wars
52 metric years. Lol I love Alan's jokes.
I feel like, since the Tarkin Doctrine is mostly responsible for the Venator's retirement, the Empire lost a key carrier by making this decision. Regardless of their reputation as Jedi Cruisers, the Venator's could have been a powerful component in any Imperial fleet formation. The number of TIE's they could carry vastly outmatches the Imperial-class, and would have been perfect lead ships for missions that didn't require Star Destroyers, but needed more oomph than the Arquitens-class.
Overall, it was one of many poor choices the Empire made, even though I'm fairly certain the scrapped Venators and Acclamators were picked apart and repurposed in building the new Star Destroyers.
Grand Moff Tarkin
Simple Answer: Because George Lucas haven't thought about that back in 1970s.
Long Answer: The Empire started to implement Tarkin's doctriner, so Venator is not the right ship for the job. At the mean time, Rebellion directed most of the funding to procure X Wings and A Wings, so they have no money left to buy Venators, in the end they had to resort to converted civilian vessels like MC80.
Also the Starhawk battlecruisers during and after the Galactic Civil War are rumoured to be another Hammerhead variant, however some fans speculated that the Starhawks are a more advanced version of Venator made of ISD parts, maybe Ep9 will reveal what Starhawk really is.
Ironic. The empires defocus on fighters is what made them loose.
FFG have already shown the Starhawk...
There was a Venator in the EA Battlefront 2 dlc.
When in doubt, blame Tarkin and/or Palpatine
The fact that they were built fast, and from scratch makes sense why so many venators were destroyed in the Clone Wars.
Goodness, as a ship nerd that giant field of warships waiting to be scrapped breaks my heart, it’s like seeing the pictures of retired warships lined up and bunched together awaiting their fate after WWII
I mean, who needs starfighters when you have big guns? It’s not as if your entire fighter strategy is spamming as many fighters at your enemy as possible or something
Because the empire didn’t have the same needs as the at war republic also military and war is all about economics
Just an effect of the prequels being newer. Theres a reason the US. Or any significant navy to my knowledge. have no battleships in service anymore.
So economically is better for the empire to have a Titan sized Death Star, completely unsupported, meagre AA defence againts small fighters, and a single core weakness that can chain reaction of explosion if hit just by a single Proton Missile... right...
In terms of the enemy the empire was fighting ironically they did.
That graveyard put tears I my eyes😢😭 the clone wars era equipment is like my childhood discarded and left to rust even thought before it was in good condition and worked properly .
Just like the franchise today
I have a die cast model of an Imperial Venator. So they exist as far as I’m concerned. I have witnessed close quarters combat with rebel ships and Confederate hold outs right here on my computer table. And it was GLORIOUS !
They should of just changed the name to Venator Class Star Carrier
but it do not carry star 👴👴👴
Harre hahahahaha funny. But the size of the ship is classed as a carrier
The venator went obsolete because there was an longer a need for broadside ships
Uhh but there was no need for anti capital ships though.I mean the rebels mostly used fighters and smaller ships.
@@AbyssWatcher745 Pretty sure they still didn't exist well or that wide spread,don't know about the early Empire doctrine maybe the Imperial Star Destroyer where used to hold and expand the empire's influence,and using it to keep the systems in check.
If the Venator Class Star Destroyer was similar to design as an aircraft carrier then the U.S. had a similar program after WW2 with light (Independence and Saipan class) and escort carriers (the U.S. had 6 classes). Unlike the Empire the U.S. scrapped or sold most of their WW2 carriers within 20 years of their launching.
I've had to do stuff like this in games like Stellaris. In my current playthrough, I had amassed dozens of large starbases for defense and trade; but after massive expansion from winning several wars, they became money pits. Despite everything I had invested into them, they had to go because my empire was experiencing an economic depression. With them gone, I was able to invest my out of depression, into an economic golden age. Which was later followed by an age of rampant piracy; but that's another story.
The venator was a very capable adaptable and tough but in short it was a carrier
calum Wilson Aye thought in the Imperial Navy it couldve been used as either an auxiliary unit or a support Carrier within battle groups of ISD 1’s.
Short answer: because it was obsolete, better tech was available, and everything Jedi had to go.
Scrapping Venators should be a full-on, straight-up _crime!_ The Venator is the best ship to have ever come out of Kuat Drive Yards. There is no ship that's looked so good before, and its forward hangar area with the giant red doors is spectacular as heck!
I imagine even a single Venator loaded with Rebellion-era hyperdrive-capable starfighters would become an absolute nightmare for the Empire. A mobile base that can resupply and repair hordes of starfighters capable of FTL travel on their own, never getting anywhere NEAR striking distance of Imperial craft with none of the disadvantages of a fixed sortie base? It'd be a ghost in the darkness, and even one would be a serious threat. The biggest issue the Rebels would have would simply be finding enough starfighters to fill her up, and figuring out flight path patterns for her that would allow starfighters a way to find their way home while minimizing the chance of the Imperials cracking it.
Sounds like the makings of a pretty decent Legends novel, actually.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force... as if thousands of Libertarians watching this screamed out at once... "make work programs, socialists, big government"
Speaking of aircraft carriers, I read that Japan is starting to build their first ones since ww2.
The Venator Class Star Destroyer is my favorite starship in the Star Wars universe. I had one build out of lego many years ago, but one day it fell off a shelf and well, lego doesn't like falls, especially when it's a heavy build.
Seeing that lucrehulk drop to the ground made my heart sank
Seeing all those junked Venators and Acclamators makes me kinda mad lol
MoreFaster Aye, so sad to see a capable carrier go to waste.
Old Palpy was just doing what happens after every war You rebuild your fleet and weapons copying the best parts of your defeated enemies. Basically you can copy my work but change it just a little so it doesn't look like you copied it .
Watching the lucrehulk class starship come into the atmosphere was sooo cool as well
It would've been really cool to see some Venators in the final battle in TROS.
Because the venator didn't "Overcompensate" to
Palpatine and Tarkin's standard
3:54 is that a fan made star destroyer?
It looks like a weird praetor
@@reedcoffman3210 Yeah but it looks better than the original praetor no offence I like the Allegiance better
3:50
I am reminded of the US Fletcher class destroyer. Built en mass during WW2 most were fully decommissioned or sold off at the end of the war. A few were recommissioned during the Korean war but went back to mothball by 1960. Post war designs had significantly longer lifespans by design. The Fletcher began design work in 1938 where it creators were undoubtedly thinking more about ease of construction than service life.
It may just be my way of thinking but they would make excellent armed transport ships. Plenty of room for haulage, great bays for ease of access and could swat any smaller pirates it encounters.
I bet in the old Eu they were slowly retired instead of instantly. I bet few made into the Rebel Alliance!
at least one or two did. One imperial managed to get a fleet of them somehow and hid them behind an asteroid, and there were a bunch sent to patrol low risk star systems.
@@Red-S-267 Yep. Admiral Daala and her irregular fleet.
What if the Republic had used Mon Calamari cruisers?
According to Legends, the Mon Calamari were a peaceful race until the Empire enslaved them. Then they took all of their cruise and transport ships and armed them.
That's because the Empire had a major doctrinal shift in fleet operations from the days of Republic. With massive onboard armament and expanded troop carrying capacity, the ISDs are effectively mobile fortresses. The Venator was chiefly a carrier with some troop carrying capacity. But both seemed to retain the same weaknesses such exposed shield generators and hanging bridges.
my brother was talking to me about this question, i said, "what's better, a venator, or a imperial class star destroyer" he
said "like what, fire power or storage" i said "fire power" he said "the imperial has way better guns and fire power compared to the venator" "but the venator can carry millions of clones and star ships"
They could have made a ship similar to the venator but make it more imperial
with hookers & Blackjack??
Oh, how about this: if Vader ruled the Empire - not Palpatine - how would he organize the empire's military? After all, Vader wasn't impressed by "technological terrors."
probably more along the lines of the Old Republic, since those were the tactics and doctrines he learned his craft under as a jedi general.
Emperor Vader would probably be more practical, he'd keep the Venators as escort carriers that tag along with the Imperator-class Star Destroyers, and he'd keep the shielded fighters instead of throwing waves of cannon fodder TIEs at the enemy. He'd probably shit-can the TIE Fighter program unless they slap shield generators on them the way Thrawn did to the TIE Interceptors during the Thrawn trilogy.
The Venator was a multifunction carrier type ship. It's main purpose within the Republic fleet, was the transport of troops into hot zones, since transport ships couldn't handle the heavy fire. It was dismissed within the Empire for various reasons, because it did not fit the Empire's idea of a fleet(essentially fear). Because the empire saw no need for heavy carriers since most planets were already under their control and because Venators were known as Jedi capital ships. Which did, in some ways, weaken the fleet quite a bit. Eckard did a video on this a while back with tons of detail.
In the 1905-1915 decade there were two distinct revolutions in ship design that made first the pre-dreadnoughts obsolete, then made the dreadnoughts that replaced them obsolete. Two generations of ship were rendered obsolete in less than a decade.
When you take that into consideration, it's not so insane to think that the Venator might become obsolete within an 8 year period.
That new aircraft carrier is the Ford!
They are not made for Tie's :x
So it was made for good starfighters
True, Venators are not so armed for new times, especially for First order technology, but they are excelent as carriers and are famous cuties that will be always remembered
1:10 I think this here is really the heart of it - it's a racket. The Venator was phased out to give shipbuilding contracts to more favored corporations, and further militarize the Imperial economy.
9:30 That doesn't necessarily make sense, a light, cheap fighter would seem to be the kind of thing you'd want in a bulk carrier. A Venator could also carry enough fighters to have a respectable wing of specialist craft (e.g. TIE Bombers)
The Empire should just let the Rebels to get their hands on those Venators rather than scrapping them.
Ya that would have been an awesome battle
Maybe so no one would one it against them
That would have been a disaster for the empire. A Venator could function as a mobile strike base. Jump out of hyperspace launch a strike group then the fighters jump to their Target while the Venator jumps to a pre-planned recovery point the fighters complete the mission and jump to the pre-planned recovery point land and then Ventator jumps away.
In real history the British Empire scrapped every single battleship it ever made :'( *Obi Wan Voice* "Not even the -Younglings- greatest such as HMS Warspite and HMS Vanguard survived"
The UK should have kept at least one :( all we kept was a cruiser (HMS Belfast) and a few smaller ships.
Battleships are out of date in modern times. At least as we define them. No amount of practical armor can defend against a sufficient number of warplanes (e.g. the Yamato during operation Ten-go, where the largest battleship in history with 150+ AA guns and it's escorts were sunk at the cost of only a few airplanes), or nowadays missiles. Even active defenses are finite in what they can shoot down if the enemy saturates them with enough missiles. And it doesn't take too many missiles to put even heavily armored ships out of commission. For now the best strategy seems to be to split up firepower between multiple ships so if one is lost ten more can still fight. At least until someone invents a game-changer in terms of defense.
*Cries in Azur Lane playing, Warspite-loving, weeb.*
@@AdmiralBlackstar Hey Captain Obvious McObvious face, sorry to burst your ''I know history and wanna show off'' moment, but I already knew that. ALL of that. I was obviously talking about preserving them for museum ship purposes. Duh.
Is HMS Belfast an active front line combat ship in the Royal Navy? No.
But I did mention it being saved. It's obviously a museum -.-
HMS Victory is a different matter and is more ceremonial in spite of being on the active roster of the ship lists of the Royal Navy.
@@ceilyurie856 Who you calling a weeb? I'm British so I care about British ships. Start/finish the end of the point. Nothing weeb about it unless you're calling yourself one lol
@@ThePalaeontologist I am one. Warspite is one of the best shipgirls in Azur Lane.
Actually, if you head over to Eckhartsladder he has a video explaining that most of the Venator's made it Moth ball's and not being scrapped. Some of them were also used by various warlords after the fall of the Empire and some were also used during the Empire in the out rim territories where Imperial Star Destroyers weren't readily available.
After WWII the US Navy scrapped a lot of new ships that had taken a lot of damage and after five years of hard fighting were just worn out or out classed by newer ships coming online. The Royal Navy scrapped nearly new battleships and cruisers for the same reasons.
You used a piece of art from DeviantArt artist AdamKop without any crediting that I can tell. We already have enough issues with Disney through Marvel and Lucasfilms taking fan created art without any credit. Please don’t follow in their footsteps.
Because the venator was a boomer
It's was nice to see all those old classic ships and classic wepons.
or 52 metric years...nicely played folks, nicely played.
props to whoever thought that one up.
iirc the Imperator Class SSD was developed during the Clone Wars and also was used in smaller numbers during the ends of that war. Same goes for the Victory I Class. But I think that is Legends Lore, so yeah
I think the main reason is it was a Rushed experimental design. That paved the way more long standing Star Destroyers. Like Britain’s ww2 air craft carriers which were designed to be easy to build and put out in large numbers but with short service life’s.
This is A BRILLIANT synopsis. Thank you!
Venator wasn't well armed for its size. It was designed to take on fighters for point defense but struggled in ship to ship engagement, it would often have to rely on its fighters to take on capitol ships.
I always got the venator being scrapped was that They Did not carry enough firepower and they were built with great haste Than with care. Also they are not built very well those command towers are very thin I could imagine some seppie cutting one in half
Whats funny is the rate at which ships went "obsolete" during the span of the end of the republic, to the empire to the new order. Where the hammerhead cruiser was in active service for some ???3000 years???
But somehow some ships and starfighters are considered obsolete after just 10.
It's so weird that the galaxy has literal millennia of experience building ships and fighting space wars, yet they can produce designs that are so fundamentally terrible that they NEED to be replaced quickly.
In the novel 'Darth Plagueis,' Hego Damask mentioned that *Tenebrous' Public Name* was dead and aspects regarding the acquisition in a fashion similar to a will.
When Sideous killed Plagueis, did Palpatine acquire any of Damask's assets? Was the acquisition of assets something practiced among the Bane-era Sith?
The Venators were a beautiful ship that had so much space to upgrade/advanced