Warframe: Just Frames You Dislike? Let's Face It Lads, Yareli in 2024 is Great - 3 Years Later
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- I originally said this frame sucked and then never went back to check her changes out
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i refuse to believe that it's been 3 years since the release of yareli
Scarlet Spear was 4 years ago.
ye, yareli prime is next year
Oh.....@@xdidudele1529
Man I'm ancient
Wait what?? Really? I swear it was like... 2 months ago max.
3 years..?
I think once these armor strip changes go live, it's going to bring a really big "rising tide lifts all ships" situation. A lot of the frames that sit in the 'weaker' slots are going to get heavily buffed just by proxy. And honestly that's the most exciting thing Warframe has done in years.
I stopped playing in 2018 and came back last month and unlocked steel path and other end game activities. It is hard to play any frames that cannot strip armor unless I take an extremely meta weapon but then it doesn’t really feel like I’m playing a different frame it’s just that weapon. I cannot wait for this change so that all my different frames will feel good rather than just objects that hold op guns
@@XxTHe14oNExX I quit not long after fortuna dropped. The standing grind was my last straw at the time. (Mind you the problem hasn't been solved. But it is better. And that's worth something) I came back recently and did the same thing you did. And I'm glad I did. It's the most fun I've had in years. But the armor strip meta is... Problematic.
Totally agree
@@XxTHe14oNExXhey dude this is no way a comment I want to come across as I know better at all cuz I really don’t I’ve played 169 days. I really struggled with sp enemies but now I can kill most of them with lower tier guns, if you ever want a hand you can add me il give you my name and I can show you how I mod the low tier guns to easily kill, I’d say nourish and roar can easily make worse guns great but not needed, I recommend the stahlta it’s mr9 multiplicative gundition overload on both fire modes amazing gun
I'm a newer player, only about 3 months in, but I've got about 600 hours. I was having a blast with the game collecting frames and weapons and blowing everything up. Then I hit steel path and suddenly you have to be very attentive to the meta or you get shut down hard and you can't play a lot of the frames that you might enjoy. I'm also very excited to see about the damage changes and armor meta for the same reasons.
I think her new augment should be a tap and hold for merulina. I prefer it but sometimes theres that long hallway and id like to zoom throigh on my little jellyfish
This! I really want DE to remove cycle abilities from ALL frames and just merge them with another one of the cycle or transfer the remaining ones to another ability of that Warframes kit and turn any multi skill into a tap/hold type.
Agree. I like riding merulina, but she's just awkward to use in tight spaces. Having that choice would make her play a lot better without completely removing the fun gimmic
@EllaKarhu fingers crossed she gets a once over like they used to with her prime ...which should be next. More hyped for her than I was protea. Protea is fun but not being able to cancel backward time mid way through and having to go like 20 seconds back is a bit of a kill joy imo
@@seamagician7042 if you just hold Protea's 4 it turns off the rewind thing that's what I do when I want to use it for the passive and augment but don't need to rewind my location
@Aftokraftor can you do that mid rewind or no ? Also didn't know this. Amazing ty
Yareli Mating Press
No!
@@TacticalPotato `why are you afraid of the truth
Agreed
GUH?
@@Sabuuchi Your actions have consequences.
To keep the Netracells interesting before Archimedea hit, I took it upon myself to clear the Cells with every single frame. No Vazarin, no Necramechs, no teammates, just using the frame, its abilities and some decent weapons. I had no actual issues, I needed no more than 3 attempts with any frame.
Needless to say though, some frames were super sweaty. Especially Limbo and Vauban. So yeah, your thesis is correct, Tater. But, oh boy, is crowd control in a bad spot...
I so badly want limbo to be fun to play. He's just a workout for my fingers
@@jazzyjswift google Limbo Space Destroyer
vauban sweaty?
hell nah
i think its less "theres no bad frame" and more "anything can work if you put your mind into it"
And in reality, it's always been like that. Even before the reworks to recent frames. If people can make the stug star-chart viable through sheer determination for the memes, players were able to do the same for frames. But the problem isn't "can you make it work" it's how viable something is compared to the rest of your selection.
Taking a stug into steel path vs taking a torid incarnon are two VERY different experiences.
It's about out-of-the-box build viability, not necessarily IF it can be viable with extra effort.
Then explain Caliban
caliban
I agree there are no downright bad frames, however there are some better than others for specific jobs.
@@jazzyjswiftwell if you had the old stug (before some status and dmg rework) and tryed Sp you wouldnt be able to do the starchart since you wouldnt be able to kill anything buffs etc dont matter its way to little. While you can make most things work some just wont no matter how hard you try, but luckly the game is easy enough for 90-95% of its content for that to no realy matter
I was expecting this video to cover Caliban as well but hopefully DE will do something for him soon. Maybe something mentioned at TennoCon but I wish Loyal Merulina was just a button press instead of an augment taking up a mod slot. Shortly press is K Drive and long press is Merulina by your side with damage reduction capped at 75% and the full 90% when you ride her. Just my thoughts on that
Yeah he is such a trash frame.
I still dislike yareli but I still put 6 forma on her because I know there are some interesting things she can do
But caliban, 🤮, I put one forma on him to unlock the dual tone energy colours and refused to level him beyond that
And this is someone who’s got multiple copies of many frames forma’d, my void rig has 8 forma to allow for build flexibility and be ready for potential more expensive mods. So it’s not that I’m too cheap or lazy to forma him, it’s just that I think Caliban deserves to be deleted and replaced (or just replace\heavily-rework 60-80% of his kit)
3:52 damn cant remember the last time someone mentioned the catchmoon
And he wasn't even using the Catchmoon. Sad!
I took a break a few years ago, and at the time catchmoon was the strongest weapon in the game, and now that I'm back, I still use the thing lol. Hasn't failed me yet. That, and the amount I payed for it's riven at the time, a bit of sunk cost fallacy XD
This thought process can be "harmful" if we blatantly say all frames are good because none are bad, then no frames would really ever get any changes. I can't tell you when the last time I saw a Nyx in anything but hydron to level. Sure, she is functional, but her entire kit is essentially a radiation proc and an armor strip that any gun could do. Sure, there's more to her here and there, but there's so much lacking there. Then, on the flip side, Frost, with a ton of changes surrounding him and a few tweaks to him directly, has made him a really good frame. The issue is that he is essentially Avalanch the Warframe. Passive sucks, 1 sucks, 2 sucks, 3 participation trophy but sucks, 4 the holy grail of abilities. Both need changes, but Nyx is clearly in a rutt worse than frost
Saying frames are bad because you dont like them is also harmful to the people that enjoy the frames because you dont want them to be "good" you want them to mindlessly appeal to you and how you play which is bad for the game
@theurbanreanimator7244 congratulations, I don't see where I mentioned any of what you're saying but cool
Yeah. To be fair though, a decent number of frames like Nyx and Loki are less bad because They're bad and more because the game around them has changed in ways that makes running them bad, the whole "CC is actively harmful" thing where all of the current nodes that are most rewarding near universally require you to shove as much damage in all directions as physically possible mixed with the gradual breaking of Overguard's original design philosophy. Frames like Nyx, Frost, Loki, Limbo, etc would all be SO much better if there were new variants of things like Excavation and Interception that would actually reward the players for their time a comparable amount to make it actually an option for progression rather than a detour that gives you next to nothing. Not to say that none of those frames have problems, Nyx and Frost do genuinely need work, or that it would solve everything, there is no mode in the game that Chroma will actually be more than a sub-par weapon's platform as he currently exists, but I think it would probably honestly be more helpful than a direct rework for a lot of frames.
I love nyx but she just feels like crap to play. Wish she got literally anything tbh
@@theurbanreanimator7244 reading comprehension stat -1
0:09 Ha. Dat single frame of caliban wont be missed. I would mostly say he is now in the hydroid spot of worse frames and needed a rework/buff because cmon DE, wish he needed more touchups since his initial release and yet we havent gotten anything for him. (My guess is that if there is another major quest involving around sentients, DE would buff caliban, probably needs to have a right fit and place for them to do) and wish we have more narmer missions, just saying
Honestly just a half decent augment could do wonders for him. Any sort of love would be appreciated
@@RapTapTap69 probably, though then again when will be the next update for caliban for getting an augment. the only options I can think would work are his 2 (is meh and actually nice, just dont like that it has enemy cap and its actually not consistent on a lot of weapons) and his 4 (probably his best use case, probably have a vortex to pull enemies as an augment). His 1 clearly bad and his 3 while is good for sheild regen, them only being melee focused and no ranged kinda sucks, also damage on the sentients from caliban needs some tweaking
Recently came back to the game after about 6 years and did the quest for Yareli. Excited to play with her when she finishes building tomorrow!
I'm so glad Arc Coil with Archon Stretch is becoming more well known.
Pls no. I just hope it doesnt get nerfed.
Yeah, one day it'll get the chop, so I'd be careful getting too comfortable with it.
It’s not even op it’s doing what it’s supposed to do. I’m confused why y’all think it’s going to get a nerf, like DE’s not THAT desperate to ruin everyone’s fun.
@@bnashtay2278 uhhh because its free energy without any electric ability from the warframe? And any free energy is no no from DE.
@@bnashtay2278 I wouldn't consider what Diriga is doing an 'ability dealing electricity damage' personally.
And I think the only reason it hasn't been changed is we're still waiting on part 2 of the companion reworks.
as someone who still constantly uses Chroma as one of my mains, he's not great, he's very survivable but my other main is Gara and she is just as survivable with less of a ramp-up time, less room for error, and can do more than just not die. The only reason I use him currently is because I have five parkour velocity archon shards which is very fun with his Double Bullet jump and makes him my fastest frame for speed farming.
I was gonna ask if chroma was good as i don't know but I know caliban needs a buff also I'm an atlas main I know he needs a buff
I mean all frames can do base star chart pretty reasonably. I still think meta frames are definitely necessary in deep arch and whatnot but otherwise balance wise we are probably in one of the better spots we have ever been in
But the frames are more or less randomized in deep arch so like you end up having to use them all anywayz
@@theneef174 true but since the last reward is just vosfor I (and many others) tend to just adhere to everything except the frame so we can run a Dante to keep everyone alive or a dps frame to smooth it out
@@Dankturboz Aye, fair enough.
@@Dankturboz Sure but consider that youll probably prefer swapping out a really really bad modifier instead of a frame (Gear Embargo hurts heaps more than you think)
I have had to make Frost work in EDA, which surprisingly works really sweet and well.
@@DawnAfternoon it’s rarely not worth it to choose frame tbh. Picking Dante means your whole squad can ignore liminus. I usually grab him if I have a lot of health modifiers and play him like a pure support just making the team immortal the whole run. That said I’m definitely a frame over loadout player so I rarely have more than one weapon even capable of killing in deep arch in the rotation
This is definitely interesting, also I hope you release a few videos on protea prime, velox prime and the okina prime with some really fun op builds😊
I always love the funny intros that you come up with, Tater. "A proper Irish review" lmao. Thanks for the fun and informative video.
Hey Potato, how have you made it so when in Alchemy game mode, the amphors are easier to see? I also think I saw a enemy carrying an amphor that had the big toxin icon
Pretty sure that was Deep Archimedia. There's a condition where the enemies need to be hit by an amphor before they can be damaged.
Now I love K-Drive, but I hate trying to use it indoors, and in open-world missions when I'm doing a mission. Archwing is so much faster and sometimes the time difference in getting to an objective via K-Drive verses Archwing is so wide that you can pretty much complete the objective before a kdrive user even gets there. In other words: the K-Drive has no real-scenario use. It is, at best, a transport to goof around in. Which is fine, but making that a main mechanic of a frame for all content was just not a smart choice. It's so clunky that it ends up being slower indoors than just running there with a frame.
Has anyone shown you that if you use both Yeralli augments, you can freecast the thrown aquablaes without having to ride her pet/surboard.
yep
Mad respect for the umbral forma at 5:00
I was honestly planning to full umbral mine as well but decided to wait for her prime to come out before using any umbral forma on mine.
Caliban is trash and Limbo directly works against your teammates. I'd say almost every frame is fine, all are usable (but Limbo), and at least a third are straight up great.
As for Yareli, I still need to try out the Merulina augment!
🧢. If you can’t play with a limbo player it’s a complete skill issue but go off
Best I can do is that maybe the skill issue is on the Limbo. Even a stasis Cataclysm can work perfectly well, and in my experience, I have more trouble working with a Frost or Khora than when I was learning how to use cataclysm well. In fact, Cataclysm is basically a two-sided Snow Globe, so as long as you don't have a Banish/Rift Surge Limbo, I really don't see the problem.
@@YR-jg1gk na that shits annoying has nothing to do with skill the frame cucks the squad more than it helps stop trolling
There might be frames that are very obviously better than one-another, but the power difference between the tiers on that list is far less than other games. Every frame is basically B-tier and above these days.
Laughs as banshee
Laugh as Caliban
no they arent lmao
Laughs as mag
@@hillbillysamurai Man never built a Silence Banshee
There aren’t really any bad frames, but some frames definitely take more work to get up. The deep dives have really highlighted just how far the disparity is in terms of entry level on some frames. Some phrase required quite a few mods shards and even some helmet to get functional, while some frames right out the box already game wide viable.
Thats mostly because the game is so easy, but i disagree about there being no bad frames as in there needs to be since there are goodones/if you compare them, compare Citrine and Oberon now you have complete trash against an insanly good frame doesnt mean you cant do things with oberon but he wont ever do anything comparable to a Citrine, which in turn causes nobody to ever realy play those comparable bad frames since they are brutaly outclassed.
Honestly I have a friend who's literally a Yareli main and let me tell you: If you're extremely stubbornly opposed to the k-drive controls, that's fine. I'm glad you get to play with the new augment. But also: The k-drive controls are honestly perfectly usable once you get used to them and the other augment is UTTERLY insane to reward you for trying. Like seriously, give it like two or three missions, play a Survival, maybe a disruption, go a few rounds, don't go into it wanting to be upset, don't pick bad tilesets (she's actually really good in the Albrecht labs), you'll be *fine.* And your reward is that she gets even better as a Secondary platform, so in case you ever wanted to see the Dual Toxocyst Incarnon red-crit at 70hz, she can do that if you don't give up on her for being different.
Like, come on yall she's not Caliban, there's so much worse in this game.
I think Yarelli makes a great option for energy tanking, since she has a unique damage reduction ability that can be modded to also contribute to dps
But there are some that underperform in comparison to the average. I'd say that Caliban, for example, needs at least a little buff. He isn't bad per se, but definitely needs at least a tweak. But I agree, most of them are pretty good and can totally destroy steel path.
I just realized that I've been playing long enough for the frames that were new or just about to release when I started properly (2017-2019), have prime variants these days. It's crazy to think about.
Really enjoy running a roar subsume with her aqua blades augment. Not much in the way of AOE but you can get some of the bigger slash ticks in the game with it. I suppose technically due to the nature of the augment you can get THE highest slash ticks in the game but that’s situational at best.
Fully agree there are no bad frames. My wife loves playing her and enjoys her play style a lot.
Frost literally exists for no reason right now so I wouldn't say that
@@X_The_Y Frost isnt even bad anymore tho.
@@X_The_Y frost has his uses, lavos on the other hand...
@@X_The_Y I mean Frost is still usefull lmao. He can fullstrip armor, grant overguard, freeze and nuke basically most content with ease. So yeah Frost is still good and gets even better with the new changes they discussed for elements and armor.
@@DerpyFloppathey are 2 completely different frames, lavos can be used as a weapon platform whlie frost is more cc. But imo frost is kinda bad like not in the way that he's actually bad or useless but he's only good due to 1 ability and 2 augments whlie the rest of his kit is mediocre but maybe that's more towards just bad design then anything really.
I would agree for the most part. Some frames were definitely worse on release, but once they were buffed a little while later they were fine. Yareli and Xaku were good examples of this.
I agree, no frame is bad some just need alot of help(Caliban intensifies) and updated kits (3/4 of Chroma's kit cry in uselessness)
Caliwho
Caliban doesnt need alot of help, he just needs his first buffed
Can you clarify which of Chroma’s abilities you think are useless? I find the 2 and 3 are solid but the 1, 4, and passive are rather unhelpful in most cases.
@@theurbanreanimator7244 I just treat it as a free subsume slot tbh. Not that he even especially needs a subsume since he has 100% AoE armour strip and arguably the best shield gating in the game, but Nourish helps offset his awful energy economy.
@@TehCakeIzALie1 you can also just use equilibrium for energy anyways, i prefer using tempest barrage or tesla nervous on caliban
I love Yareli, even the K-Drive part. Sure, I bump into even more things than usual (I'm parkour challenged), but the unique movement style makes her fun to play. Otherwise, I think she's a powerhouse. The only bad thing I can say about her is why does her signature weapon not complement her passive? The bubble gun is fun, but it has too little crit on it to really work even with that passive and Creeping Bullseye. It's weird! I've taken to using the Angstrum (Prisma) Incarnon.
I feel the same way about Chroma, I see a lot of people that he's bad and only useful for farming money, while that is absolutely not true, current Chroma is not only good but an insanely good support frame, and his ability to make weapons work allows for a lot of different builds, the only real shame is that 1 and 4 are not that good, but there are more frames that have 1 or more bad abilities (cough cough Valkyr), people just don't want to experiment with anything other than spamming strength on Chroma
I mean, when you mention Chroma's 1 and 4 - that's the exact thing that kinda puts off people wanting to experiment imho.
Speaking as someone who has an unhealthy disdain to buff based frames - I have put quite a bit of hours of experimenting to make Chroma's 1 or 4 good, and I just can't. Now for context - I never leave steel path, and enjoy casting based frames like Zephyr, Ember, Dante, Lavos, Grendel etc.
I just want to play as a god damned dragon, man, what is this walking spray can based flame spewer??? It ticks just way too slow, and his 4 is not procing statuses iirc, so that's offputting. (the tick speed to damage ratio is also my problem with wisp's 4 and some beam weapons/abilities)
And also cycling through elements is unwieldy. Spectral scream could theoretically deal nice damage if the enemies are armor-stripped in some way, and his toxin could use Archon Continuity to proc corrosive, but I need to actually be faster than light before the procs dissapear
And that is why Chroma is """bad""" for my playstyle. He is one hell of a buffer/support, but man, when 2 abilities are "eh", that's bad. That is when I'd call a frame bad. Like Valkyr 1 and 3 are bad, thus she herself is "eh' (though those 4 crits are JUICY), Oberon's 2 and 1 could be in a better place if some of his synergies could be changed a bit (God I want his 1 to deal damage without some crazy 2 arcane holster amp vigorous swap setup), Revenant's synergies could be a LOT better, Rhino's 1 amounts about as much to damage as I do to actual productive work (which is none) which I consider a travesty specifically for a frame called RHINO. _Caliban_ that poor man HAS to get a buff to his 1 and 3 ASAP (and maybe buff his 4's damage in some way, that's like 4th beam ability that doesn't do damage ahah).
Those frames aren't "bad" as in they can't do anything. They are just not that fun. Just a walking gun, and that's kinda bad.
To reiterate - I very much do enjoy caster based frames. It is SO VERY MUCH FUN to disintegrate your enemies into dust with a 1-4-2-4-3 series of abilities forming a testicular torsion-explosion-destruction prolapse synergyjutsu. Buff frames are less fun to me, but objectively are fine if are done correctly. But if a frame has like 1 ability to actually do anything and 0.25 synergies with other abilities - that's when it is "Bad".
The issue w/ saying chroma was bad is because originally his buffs relied on you getting hit to your hp only.
1st ppl used self dmg to get the buff but that was removed.
Then shieldgating was added making it harder to get the buff.
Then overguard was added making it even harder to get the buff.
It wasn’t until Dante showing the OG spamming locking out most abilities that rely on being hit that DE had to rework how those abilities function to take into account or not be blocked by it.
@@waihochow4635 Oh yeah that definitely was a problem too. Definitely added to the "unwieldiness" of his. I can say it had become a lot better to use Chroma, now that I don't need to indulge in masochistic tendencies to actually work xd, though still, I'd consider him badly designed, just a tiny little bit less so
@@waihochow4635 yeah that's why I'm talking about his current version which there's still people saying he's bad, but that's not the case, even before, as annoying as it was you could use the aura mod to proc the buff and upkeeping the health loss was not exactly a big deal
What I think is done pretty badly on chroma is that he doesn't follow his theme very well, for a Warframe supposed to be an elemental dragon and a hunter he doesn't do any of those things very well, hes also (probably?) the only tank Warframe that doesn't have a sort of immunity to status effects or knockback which is kinda oof
@@timesold.4216 I am more of a weapons enjoyer player but I understand the enjoying the more caster ones, and Id definitely love chroma's 1 and 4 to get buffed, but it's a stretch to say that he's useless, considering that 2 and 3 kinda carry (specially toxin ward which I do think is very underrated)
I find loyal merulina to not work well. It does accomplish the goal of not riding the k-drive, but the independent merulina cannot keep up with you, so it's really just an oddly limited damage reduction (have to watch the health pool) and the sea snares from merulina almost never effect things except in stationary missions. They need to make merulina able to actually keep up like the companions. I kinda wish you could hold cast to get on merulina if you want (best of both worlds).
At first I thought I would want it until I noticed you couldn't use the other merulina augment with it. The attack speed and reload speed are important plus AOE doesn't murder merulina on accident. I find have to recast merulina so often makes it an unfun augment.
Also I kinda find it fun to race people with the k-drive. Feels good beating other people to extraction knowing how much more difficult my movement is compared to theirs
I love Yareli and I love Kompressa. That Prime Access pack has my name all over it. I had no idea about the augment for merulina. I know what I'm gonna do today
Ive been revisiting old frames that ive ignored for a while and its cool seeing helminth and archon shards really lift them up. Two blue tau shards can give you 450 armor. Add that to your base and you will hit right where armor damage reduction starts to plateau on most frames. Been stacking strength shards on a max range limbo then using dark verse. Not steel path ready yet but could handle sortie level without being a nuisance to the team. Also until last night, i didnt think about the fact that lokis 4 makes enemies group themselves as they try to get in melee range. Helminth an armor strip ability and bring something to handle eximus and youre golden
I don't think there is a "bad" warframe, but I think Warframes have horrible parts in their kits. Biggest examples(currently) at least are Ember's 1 and 2, and Nyx's whole kit.
Ember's 1 feels weak unless you build for her being a weapons platform and the augment in which there are better options, and her 2 which just kills her kit IMO determines which skills can do damage since she needs to ramp up. As other skills are just bad till she gets higher up. And getting higher up means you burn out on energy faster(mind you we got 101 ways to deal with energy economy) Nyx on the other hand honestly has one thing useful IMO and it's being unkillable, but at that point I can list like 5 other frames who can do that without giving up mobility. She's got no Synergy and a bunch of her kit just doesn't work well in the current state of the game. While Ember is in a "fine" spot, Nyx really feels wortheless in most content IMO I really hope Nyx can get some kinda change that can keep that idea of the chaos spreading mind melter.
Nyx isn’t that bad
@@Cassernn Personally I disagree. She has no synergy in her kit and alot of her builds you see get overshadowed by other frames who can do that same thing without giving up that movement speed while being flat better.
I do agree with what you said at the beginning of the video. I think it tues into what you like to play and what you find enjoyable. I'm gonna use my favorite frame in this example but i absolutely love my ivara prime and i have been maining her for well over a couple of years now (even if people said she was garbo at the time). Ever since i got her i feel like she's the most op frame in game but I think that comes down to having a deep understanding of said frame is and know how to well synergize everything together. I do believe some frames are actually bad and need some love but for the most part i do that every frame is good for the most part minus the ones you don't like.
"Good" is a relative term. Any Warframe and any weapon can be made to complete any content at any level. The "good" frames/weapons are the ones who do it more effectively.
The factors which make a Warframe more effective at a piece of content is determined by the goals of the content itself, or your own goals going into that content.
In capture, sabotage, rescue and spy missions, the only real goal is to run somewhere, activate something, and then run some more to extraction. For this kind of content, speed is the most important factor in determining the effectiveness of your frame choice. Titania (or Wukong in spy to bypass both cameras and laser doors) are incredibly effective frames in this kind of content.
Some mission types have completion/efficacy conditions that are tied to killrate, so warframes with a high AOE damage like Saryn are the most effective. In other mission types like mobile defence, there's no way to complete the content with any more efficacy, so the next best thing you can do is complete the content as lazily as possible with a frame like Octavia, Revenant or Xaku.
Some content you only go into with a specific goal of farming resources- even when resources are not directly tied to the mission completion condition, so frames which boost loot, or the speed at which enemies come and get killed, like Nekros, Khora, Hydroid and Speed Nova are the most effective. Or, Chroma to double the credits from profit taker. Alternatively, your personal goal any piece of content you do could be "doing this while exerting the least amount of effort possible", in which case you just slot Revenant every mission regardless of whether he is the one who will facilitate the mission completion/efficacy conditions the best.
Missions can have varied and mixed efficacy conditions, such as Elite Archimedia. Other individual gamemodes can also demand multiple factors of you such as Void Cascade which demands that you're 1. fast, 2, able to survive extremely high level enemies, 3. able to deal high single target damage, and 4. speed up the exolisers by killing groups of fodder enemies near them. Here you might use something like Dante, and source Parkour Velocity from somewhere like the Praedos, shards, or exilus slot.
In missions where your loadout is restricted such as Deep Archimedia or the Circuit, it is an effective strategy to compensate for a lack of good guns by using a warframe with an exalted like Mesa, Baruuk or Dante.
Man, I really wish I could hold 2 with the augment so I could still ride merulina. I really don't understand why we can't do that
shes a bit of a tank now lad also her pasive just works with her moving so sum secondary weapons hit like a truck. with yareli that argument mod justs lets her be a warframe . cheers for the vid have a top day
All frame are good, but some are better than others
There absolutely are bad frames. You can with the right weapons/pets make any frame basically able to do high level content. But if you try to use the frames identity in some way a lot of these frames fall flat. Caliban is the best way to show this. His summons will never do enough there is nothing you can do about that. Running as much ability str as you can you can get them like level ~200 ish. Their ai is still buggy they get caught on things all the time and you will be spending their full cost 3 times each time you need to resummon them. Caliban is one of the few frames that has a squad outside of vauban and nekros(and the new inaros) he has a spin that costs too much energy to be that useful an armor strip that sucks an aoe crowd control that will get stuck on a rock. Caliban is obtained doing annoying content at a fairly low drop rate.
Caliban is easily a bad frame because only by ignoring his identity can you do high level content with him.
Nope, the market place says the usability of each frame. If volt is worth about 150-200 vs atlas 30. That's generally means a good frame vs a bad frame.
That's much more complicated than good vs bad. You also have to factor in supply and demand. I don't know who was last unvaulted, but there's a lot more people who want to zoom around like a cat at 2am than to be an earthbender with golems. Alas can be a powerful frame for someone willing to put in the effort, but Volt has both memes and utility on his side.
i am that caliban player who appears randomly. Not a main btw. Also am that guy who hates warframe like octavia, revenant and other similar frames. i like when i see something happening when i use my powers. i t makes the combat more fun to me, for some reason seeing meteors falling on enemyes or enemyes fighting against each other instead fighting me, or enemyes floating after a slam just waiting for me to shoot them. So most of times i dont care about how powerfull the warframe is but i am more about how i feel when playing and using the warframe powers. I struggle a lot of times in certain missions, some frames just make some stuff easier but i do not care. I still have fun playing this way and makes me more anoyed when ppl try to tell me what to play and how to play. Nice video btw, thanks for making good fun videos.
The first 4 seconds sums up everything for a major group of certain players other than myself.
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I played Nekros for the first time...managed to make my shadows immortal **cough!* WellOfLife- *cough!** and I LOVED IT. 👍
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Subsumes can make almost any frame pretty wacky.
I recently learned that when you hit an enemy with Garuda's Blood Altar, they're technically not dead. This makes them a viable target for Mag's Magnetize. _You can subsume Blood Altar,_ meaning my Mag can now make giant magnetic bubble deathtraps _that also heal allies._
It's a hoot.
@@SageRuffin Omg OMFG I HONESTLY DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT ngl the only reason y im not investing alot in helminth is because of resources, and i wanna work on nekros and khora and maybe nidus for loot resource farmers
I just don’t understand the point of Soul Punch at all. But I presume that’s what is being used as the Helminth ability slot?
@@defiantmars9910 when i work on him imma removethat because i dont see my self using that ability 🤣🤣 i feel u i dont get it
I'm not sure if you know this but you rarely see stairs and marilena see snares actually stack. If both are on the same Target, both the damage vulnerability will stack and do more damage
Grew up on ssx tricky so the merulina didn't bother me to much but can see how it would annoy people
They need to add that parts breakdown for zaws too, not just kitguns 😩
I like Ember, but last time I played her I didn't like how it felt to play. But I guess that's just not understanding how to play Ember because I haven't played her in years. I'm a very casual player. All I do is play survival. x)
Ember is a pretty high investment frame, you need the right mods to make her work
Basically you need to stay overheated at all times and spam 4 to generate heat, so you can reset 2 without losing any. This gives you full armor strip and damage reduction, but obviously costs a ton of energy. Thankfully the exothermic augment can give you infinite energy with the right setup
I'm so glad your still here potato... we lost a lot of warframe tubers over the years but at least we've still got you, one of the originals.... I still remember watching your videos when the most exciting thing in the game with getting the stalker drops.... God he used to be such a pain in the ass....
You can always triple umbra mod every frame, and add a basic health tank to them with grace, adaptation and some armor etc, add some duration and add roar as an ability. Then any frame can do basic steel path with a decent damage output :) Might not be playing to the frames strengths... but it will work. And heck, on some frames it will be great even.
5:35 WAIT WHAT? Archon Stretch works with Diriga's Arc Coil??? *Looks at wiki.* oh damn. How did I not know of this. It works with the Hounds too!? Man that is crazy. I need to redo a bunch of builds now that need range and use energy regen vie Energy Nexus or something similar.
I really like playing Yareli, and the Loyal Merulina mod solved every issue I had with using her in cramped spaces. The added CC is just a bonus. Toss Tempest Barrage over her 3 with the Viral Tempest mod and she becomes even more of a beast, and keeps the water theme to boot. Great Frame. Play her.
Nah cause I love limbo, and he’s absolutely terrible. The release of eximus units made him unable to function in any serious level of content.
Loki definitely needs a rework. Octavia exists
I think the only warframe that held a candle for being truly “bad” was Inaros but now with his rework, he’s so good and fun too!
I found it amazing how nice her K-driving felt in the new Lab and the reworked Corpus tilesets. The Hallways and doors are massive, theres no low ceilings, its just fun. (If you dont mind the K-driving)
I sadly think Caliban is the one that needs some help, he ist just too clunky, not unique enough sadly and also doesn't do anything great in particular
Great this augment exists now but honestly i'd love to ride around on merulina if the movement was actually good. Because in theory its really cool, its just that k-drive, and archwing too, never really had good movement making in theory cool things not fun at all, which is why i always stayed from Yareli. Maybe i'll give this augment a go though, could help as a band-aid fix till DE tackles this!
My friend has been a Yarelli lover since her reveal, but admitted the K Drive was a terrible idea. I, personally, have never touched her (my friend logged in on my account, leveled her, and fed her to my Helminth for me), I hated her quest that much. After the new augment, however, we jumped into the simulacrum with her and my Green Shard Hydroid, and our jaws dropped at how powerful they were together.
some warframes definitly need reworks or more buffs, but i would say some warframes are bad, but u can make them somewhat usable with alot of work but that doesnt mean it will work for higher levels of harder content
i love yareli even tho i dont use her (mostly because im too lazy to try and build her over some other frames atm)
There are no bad frames, just a refusal to learn the frames themselves.
I have a series called, "How to Play X - Explained" that covers each warframe for beginners.
I think every frame is good, its more a matter of which fits your playstyle/mindset best, not everyone can make proper use/have the skills for every single thing, just find what you like theres a bit for everyone and even more frames/weapons incoming, I done archons and other considered endgame content with frames like nyx and a gorgon lol
Yareli in her current state has basically overtaken any other frame in my roster, mainly because of how fun she is. I used to main Nezha for 3 years (do with that info what you will), but to me Yareli has basically become what i wanted my Nezha to be for a long time. I know Nezha got his augment that made him a crowd clearing fanatic, but Yareli ticks all the boxes I wanted out of a frame... except the lack of stagger resistance, still working on that.
Using Yareli with Ocucor (and Sentient Surge) has been tremendously fun for me and with the content that I tend to play she performs amazingly. She went from a frame that I despised to being one of if not my favorite frames, thanks to a single augment. Thanks Pablo.
When she first came out I absolutely spammed the crap put of her ablities with energy pads and it did nothing. After all the updates she's finally good. I put tidal surge with the augment on her 3 and it's pretty nice. Her 1 is quite powerful and 4 has decent range. I'm looking forward to the cold update which should enhance those ablities.
I do agree that Yareli is fantastic right now. Personally the exalted K drive grew on me, but loyal merulina is cool.
While I also agree that any frame can be good with enough effort, I feel certain Warframes can be tweaked. Valkyr is my pick. Warcry and Hysteria? Fantastic. Ripline and Paralysis? Um, what's the point of these exactly? I can see a lore basis for them, but what about her kit?
Valk doesn't need the Hydroid treatment, I just feel her kit needs updating. Like, have ripline strip armor since she's a melee Warframe. Maybe have paralysis have a synergy with warcry and hysteria.
I don't know, it's just that Valk is one of my favorites _and she's my most used Warframe, ha. If there's synergies I'm missing in Valk's kit, please let me know._
Kinda wish Atlas's rework actually helped him. His diet rock armor sucks to farm and stack, and his wall ability is useless in the modern game
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I firmly believe that no frames are 'bad' just outclassed, some frames are just more streamlined mechanically and need less minmaxing to get the most out of their kits.
I do think there are some outlier frames that are in a fairly poor / bad place in the current era of the game... *cough* caliban rework when *cough*
Nyx is, just...Nyx. Her strip from Psychic Bolts of shields and armor while 100% able to strip with lower power strength, you only strip maybe 4 or 5 enemies at a time and its varied wherever they actually go so you scramble to target the enemies stripped of their defenses. And since its timed, compared to others that are perma strip, its lacking in comparison. You'd be better off using Pillage or Tharros Strike on her instead to get the same effect. Theres multiple frames that can strip far easier in larger areas than her. If they allowed you to have more bolts with strength or something to boost its use, otherwise psychic bolts is kind of weak. Because IIRC recasting just cancels the current debuff duration of the current enemies to target new ones. Its...not very reliable. Crowd control isn't as good as it used to be. Not in current day. Using chaos to make enemies all confused makes missions take longer and her kit aside her strip and turn 1 enemy into an ally with Mind Control doesn't give her much to work with. I certainly am not building around her Absorb ability. Whether it as an immobile bubble or with her augment, most enemies will be cleared out before you can gain enough to use the explosion from it to kill with.
While Lavos is cool in idea...he's annoying to use. Having to prepare the elemental combination you want? Frustrating. Especially during intensive combat. I usually scramble which combo I want. I'm not a fan of his 1 ability Ophidian Bite. It just feels like the weakest part of his kit? It honestly could use a tweak.
Do you guys think frames could benefit from synergy. For example Yareli and Hydroid while in a team gets an 10% energy regen or cold damage increase… or is those mechanic already somewhat in the game?
I dislike hildren because you can’t use other weapons while hovering around and I enjoy the heck out of ember but I literally believe that banshee needs armor and ability strength buff or viral on 4th ember cost reduction in 2nd and a better percent of strip and damage buff frost needs armor and shield buff for bubble strength I hate having to subsume abilities just to achieve a stronger bubble when it’s literally a utility ability when I would rather build for freezing abilities specifically to use the augment for chance and damage, but wind up having to sacrifice other areas ash even being the armor, stripping, invisible frame that can fatal teleport. Everything still cannot clean room so as fast as some of the new frames, I feel like fatal teleport one shot everything without having to sacrifice survivability a increase of invisibility would fix this frame and armor Octavia same complaint for Octavia needs longer duration and more armor or shield. The problem isn’t her ability to kill. It’s that sometimes the mallet likes to cross in front of you in the enemy and you wound up getting shot for no apparent reason even through walls and it gets quite annoying. I feel like two seconds of vulnerability from damage after getting the first initial hit would fix this. and I feel like nova definitely needs some more survivability. The frames that they’re coming out with are just plain broken and having insane survivability and insane damage just having a glass canon with insane damage and no survivability even if you are invisible you still are likely to take damage at some point and I feel like to be fair there needs to be some sort of mechanic or safety net in place to help the players cope with the situation.
I agree that every warframe is good because Warframe’s mechanics are so overwhelmingly player-favored. There are mods that can give massive scaling on damage as well as mods that can help you survive forever. Shield gating is a mechanic that all but 3 warframes can play around, and those 3 frames have their own survival mechanics to compensate. Any warframe with bad innate damage has a plethora of weapons that can be abused. Any warframe that lacks an important piece in scaling, such as armor strip or self-sustain, can get some of it back through Helminth, Archon Shards, or just more mods.
Every warframe that you put the TIME and RESOURCES grinding into is good. Even better if you make multiple builds for different situations.
I mean some Frames just need so much investment to do things another frame can just do with less stats and less investment. Just a few examples:
I love Oberon but trying to build him is just a nightmare. You have to build for all stats or keep them at least neutral for him to work properly. I still main him as I just like the synergy in his kit and supportive capabilities but a few QoL would not hurt.
For example his 4 should not cost 100 energy I am fine with the Hallowed ground requierment to strip armor but it should also be shields, Hallowed ground should have a higher base range and be a 360 around you. This would make Oberon just so much better you could drop range a bit and wouldnt have to go for Range, Duration, Strength and keep efficiency at neutral.
Same goes for Vauban he is strong but he needs a lot to make him work for just normal steelpath as his bastille nowerdays just doesnt do anything anymore with overguard on enemies being a thing.
Excalibur is also really great but most exalted weapons are just shit and not worth building into them anymore. Radial Javelin build remembers of the old Excal but its just not a fun playstyle anymore and the slash dash needs a specific incarnon with a weapon that needs multiple rotations for it to come back around in nightwave not to mention the incarnon wheel.
or other frames that need specific things or things to happen in game for them to get strong is just not good these days because more often than not people play global nukers or room wide nukers and frames like Atlas or Grendel get left in the dust and struggle to build and use their strength.
So yeah no frame is inherently bad but they often time need just to much investment to make it work and then you just do a fraction of what other frames are capable of with less investment and less stats.
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At this point, I don’t think there are really any “bad Warframes” anymore… just bad abilities on Warframes. Not that I think every ability slot should be absolutely busted, but I look at some and just think *“Why? What purpose does this serve?”*
Of course, I’d like to see some frames buffed like my boy Broberon (the armor changes should help a bit) but I agree that the disparity between the bulk of frames is exaggerated.
Half a year ago I would have strongly disagreed with the headline. And Yareli wasn't the one I would mention. But pre-rework Hydroid was REALLY bad. And I think this is probably the biggest change after Rebb took charge: Now there has to at least be some use for every frame and even for most weapons. I don't use Yareli much. But it's not for lack of power.
THREE years? I remember her quest coming out just yesterday.
I only use a handful of frames. (Mag, Saryn, Mesa, Wisp, and Nezha are my top 5 most used.) I would never say a frame is bad. It's I usually just don't like their play style.
But I also come from the world of motorcycles, and I can say once you get a bad rep it's hard to shake. KTM's had a known problem of destroying themselves. Now days, that problem has mostly been fixed. Though I will still hear people talk about not wanting one cause they think it will explode on them. Or say "KTM means Keep The Manual."
ive been playing banshee for months shes honestly been pretty solid in most game modes. is she busted? fuck no but her giving me a -128 damage number in elite deep archimedea sure resonated with me.
Personally I am one of the rare breed that likes the jellyfish experience. Just makes her feel alot more unique compared to using her as a generic gun platform with the augment. The inability to heal merulina also basically just turns merulina into a glorified short duration Dr + shield gate ability, which is functionally fine but takes away her unique playstyle a bit. Not to mention you lose the 200% fire rate and reload you get from the other merulina augment. Which to me is the biggest deal breaker. to me if you want a big damage weapon platform you can just play mirage. While mirage is less tanky she is infinitely better at gun running. And rev is just the better tank frame (tho may get nerfed further down the line). I feel like the new augment turns her from a specialist frame to a doer of many master of none kind of thing.
Since the remake that changed her DR from 75% to 90% and gave her the augment mod, Yareli went from a very bad warframe to a very good warframe.
She's my main for a long time now.
She became virtualy unkillable with a great damage boost from her passive and first skill (it increases the damage the enemy takes) and a nice CC from her ult.
I use a sporelacer with her 1 and she can kill acolytes in less than 5 shots.
She wasn't bad for a LONG time now. People just refused to see how strong she was.
But yeah, I do really appreciate the new augment mod as well. I always found riding on Merulina fun, but she was not viable for a primary weapon build, now she is.
She's also very flexible.
It is possible to tank on health with armor and health regen, she can shield gate, she can just use her 2 invulnerability time to survive or use shields.
My main build is based on shields now, after the amazing shield changes.
ALOT of factors go into what make a frame "Good", "Viable", "Useable", or even "Meta". The shifting of the meta and new things coming out moving power around so much is bound to make things move around in terms of who is getting used.
But it can definitely be said that some frames are in way better places right now than others. The day that Yareli is genuinely good and gets a good bit of use and Chroma is in a shit spot is truly a sad day. (Not shitting on Yareli, I practically main her)
The real standouts to me right now are Chroma, as mentioned above, Caliban, Loki, Nyx, and Atlas just to name a few. And I personally feel like Sevagoth's survivability could still use some tweaking. Still can't get him quite right for me. And not that all of these frames I've mentioned are terrible, or even bad. They just aren't popular now and could use some love from the devs.
I have been a Yareli truther since day one. She always seemed good enough to me, and only got better and better as they buffed her. Glad she's finally getting some recognition!
I can make any frame with shields work....use Harrow's shackles, Arcane Aegis....and a blue shard to uncrease max shields.....add Taxon with Guardian. Basically your shields will always be at max overshields😮
yareli is gara without the micromanagement.
You’re wrong. Wukong is a bad frame. Don’t argue it. You know damn well people only play the monkey to cloud form yeet to extraction.
Nah, Wukong's cool.
@@Goldy01 simp
hes also really good for speed spy missions with auto hack slapped on but id never run him outside of that
@@kaitanaroyr simp
every frame is good when you ignore some aspects of them.
Sounds like to me that you want more Hydroids xD.
For real, you are right, there is no bad frame just frame that you like or not.
The power creep was real with Warframe, 4000 hours played, went from xcal having to use an ability to jump high... To .. every frame having some sort of invincibility, every frame being equally mobile (if bullet jump small use operator dash).. and every frame doing mega damage to the point where, the numbers don't mean anything anymore, and crowd control is obsolete because it doesn't work on elites. The best crowd control is a dead enemy. All that's left for us veterans is story and that only comes around every now and then. But it seems lotus arc is resolved, once stalker arc is over idk what else there will be, maybe more of the 1999 stuff but idk, I thought there was going to be more of that in the last update but it was like one mission. Well anyways.. You get what I'm saying
With so much powercreep we have right now, you don't even need to install 8 mods to clear SP with literally any frame.
in the first 14 sec i can agree with it, it is true, frames you cant play or not used to play cos of playstyle or something, are not your friends
One of the best changes they made to her came along side the augmemt.
She is no longer rooted in place while casting abilities while not riding merulina! About dam time. Her 4 was nigh unusable if you weren't riding
the only frames i will consider actually "bad" are Chroma, Banshee and Limbo. and i played with every frame, more then once.
every frame can go into steel path if you build them good enough, because of power creep. even a frame with only one ability will do steel path just fine, because even if your frame is bad, you still have extremely powerful weapons that can do the job of an ability for you.
some kits are just outdated/extremely underbaked. in that situation is where a rework needs to be considered.
The ones the community seems to think are bad are ones I've had no problems bringing deep into Steel Path. I don't own Caliban, but Nyx, Valkyr, Chroma, Limbo and Banshee can all be made to work great. I don't love being on Merulina, but it does work in most modern tilesets and the bonuses are undeniably excellent.
Nobody gon talk about allallat life support he had on the ground like bro at 40% dude should be picking that up
My belief is you can make any Warframe work, but meta depending, some frames require more investment than others.
You let me if you can find a way for Caliban to be good and I’ll believe that title and thumbnail. The only thing he brought to the game that any significant amount of players use is his animations.
"I just didn't find it fun
And I know I wasn't the only one"
~ Tactical Potato The poet
I think there are frames that are objectively worse to use than others. Nyx springs to mind, as her kit is really "I do everything but wrong in important ways". And Valkyr and Banshee are a bit old and creaky.
But yeah, all of the frames can function, and I'd never want to imply those three are 'weak'.
I am of the opinion that Nyx could use a rework. A lot of what she can do, other frames can do better. Mind Control? Revenant's Enthrall kinda outclasses it. Psychic Bolts? Cool idea, but it's not very reliable, and there are way better options from all sorts of frames, maybe if there were like triple the bolts, and they did some damage, and would target different enemies when possible. Chaos? Eh... I still feel that Revenant's Enthrall is better than this too. Absorb? Not a bad ability, kind of the only unique thing in her kit that isn't useless, but it's not exactly the most fun way to play, and Nyx herself is a very squishy frame. I'm of the opinion that she has too much single target, and individual enemies are not really a big enough of a deal to warrant it, her kit needs to be shifted for a more AoE focus, how can she be specialized in Crowd Control when she doesn't do well with crowds? The Assimilate augment's movement speed should honestly be default functionality of the Ability, and the augment should give full movement, we've all been over this kind of thing before, it's too immobile for the direction Warframe has gone in. Finally, they should be given a new ability, I have put a little thought into it, and I think that a buff that allows Nyx to sense creatures (as in not machines) through walls, and gives health and/or energy for killing them with headshots or just killing them while they are under your crowd control effects could be interesting, or maybe a blast of psychokinetic energy that stuns and damages enemies in a radius, you could honestly do all sorts of things with a Psychic frame... It just feels like a bit of a shame for a frame with one of the most beautiful skins to be chilling at the bottom of the trash bin. You can't tell me she's fine as she is either, when was the last time you saw a Nyx player in a mission? I have only ever seen them selling stuff on Mars, in my entire six-or-so years of playing this game, I have maybe seen two in Hydron. >_>;