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Chemical resistance tests have always been pretty much pointless to me on spray sealants. They're too easy to influence, and too easy to apply to really matter. Find one that is easy to apply, reasonably priced and that fits your needs, and don't worry about it. Top it and send it!
The way I see it, there's different forms of durability: temporal (time), mechanical (agitation), and chemical. Being durable in one category doesn't mean it's durable in another (eg. TW Seal n Shine is highly chemical resistant, average mechanical resistance but doesn't hold up as well over time). And even within chemical durability, some sealants are resistant to some chemicals but susceptible to others (Beadcoat resists high pH well but only moderately resistant to low pH).
@miscellaneous5215 I applied Collinite Beadcoat on one half of my outside-kept vehicle, and Xpel Ceramic Boost on the other half. After 2 months the Xpel is starting to fail while the Beadcoat is still going strong with about a 90 to 100 degree water contact angle
I used these two products and DIY Ceramic Gloss on my hood(daily driver). After 12 days, Ceramic Gloss was far ahead in terms of durability versus the other two. YMMV.
Thank you for the video! We to have done this test and Clean Spray Sealant is a good option, but we never get that result with CSS. For us ADS CSS is VERY hydrophobic. Full transparency, ADS was easier to apply and more hydrophobic, Clean was more durable and slightly more slick under the towel. Either way, can't go wrong in a real world scenario.
I tripled checked everything afterwards, my bottle seems ok, has a distinct scent. I have no clue what happened, i certainly did not expect that. Bad batch maybe? I'll have to give another go once I get this panel polished I doubt your sealant would wash off like this.
I love this brand's honesty. A rarely seen quality, especially in this business. Every time I go comments, ADS always keeps it 💯 !! I haven't tried their products yet, but as soon as I finish up w all this other stuff, I'm buying everything I need from ADS.
Anyone else getting PINK PANTHER VIBES from the awesome music!?? I Makes me smile every time I hear it. Plus his accent is very similar to THE INSPECTOR!!! LOVE THIS!
I'm doing a series of real-world durability tests on Armour's Ceramic Spray Sealant vs Ryan West Industries Fusion. I need to re-start it though, because the bottle of Armour was old and did not perform well at the first wash. I have a brand new bottle and I'll be re-applying both sealants after I polish the hood and prep it. The "torture" tests are more or less a waste of time and material, but it's entertaining. The test I'll be doing is applying both sealants, waiting at least a few days before any chemical hits it, then doing a first wash, then driving the car through the winter months in Wisconsin and doing weekly/bi-weekly washes. As soon as one sealant clearly fails, I'll put the winner against another sealant and so on. That is a real world test and how they SHOULD be tested.
Hey brodz I just got on your channel and watch your video, I dont think my water behaviour was much different then yours, I was hoping you to wash it so we could have compared. Not sure if mine is v1 or v2 I got it in around May I believe. I also agree with the real world test which my channel is all about as well. They are harder to capture and present to the audience and longer to edit. See you in the next one ✌️
Oofta! Armour flat-out failed right after one wash with Reset? That also doesn't seem right. Thanks for checking out my video! I didn't capture footage of me polishing, prepping and applying the sealants because it was late at night and I wanted to get it done. I did, however, wash it in the video with Ethos Hybrid rinseless wash. Then the hydrophobics afterward was showing that the Fusion clearly had stronger hydrophobics than ADS. Both DJ and Brad said something isn't right with the bottle I used (not any fault of mine). I had a friend provide me with a new bottle straight from Armour and came in the mail last Saturday, so I will be doing a new video showcasing a light polish on the hood, prepping it and re-applying both sealants this weekend. I'll keep the car in the garage and do a hydrophobic test after 24 hours. After that, i'll do a weeks worth of driving to work and back (at least 320 miles) and do a first wash (I'll either use a rinseless or pH neutral soap), then another hydrophobics test. All of that will be in one video, so expect a new video within the next few weeks. I'll probably do a bi-weekly wash and hydrophobics video after the first wash and go until there is a clear failure of one of the sealants.
@@Brodizzle83 The only thing I can say is that no one on TH-cam seems to get consistent results from spray sealants, especially water based products vs solvent carriers. I suspect they are very sensitive to prep, temperature, humidity, etc.
I applied Clean Ceramic Sealant on my VW Touareg on October 17 and so far my honest opinion is that's its good at everything but not great at anything. but so far its holding up well. Its still way to early to have a final conclusion on this product but so far it's been good.
The products will speak for themselves with their results I like your style videos no BS. I look forward in trying out the clean products I know armor detail supplies is solid and I’m pretty sure the clean product line is good too
Soap and apc at max, it's all the resistance i need from a sealant. I would never use wheel cleaner on the paint, nor other harsh chemicals and if I do need, I know I will have to apply new layer of protection, so I also don't understand the whole chemical resistance. I use a sealant which I like the looks of it and I know it's weak vs high PH products, but with just regular wash (I wash every 1-2 weeks) it holds for 2-3 months easily.
It seems everyone gets different results from a lot of sealants and coatings. So that tells me that maybe the industry could have quality control issues as the inconsistencies from bottle to bottle are a lot on every brand . You never see these inconsistencies when doing customers cars because they aren’t being tested. Thank you !
I think the batches thing is overblown, I was told by numerous ppl in DMs they had the exact same results. Be careful with Pan's reviews a few haters are making it like his products are failing. cheers
Winters in Atlantic Canada are tough on any paint protection, I have tried many of the ceramic sprays/spray sealants on the market and haven't found any that last more than 4 months over the winter. To be honest, I think 4 months is an acceptable result from simple spray sealants given their cost.
Hey my friend 🇨🇦 you bring up a valid point. In my experience the sealants get clogged up really quick, cold and warm temperature changes with garages break them down fast as well. The only thing that outlasted winter for us is gyeon Cancoat and Soft99 fusso but fusso is a pain to remove and I didnt like the look. Cheers and thanks for your feedback!
Great presentation Frank. You bring up some really valid points here and some things I never thought of before. One of which is the Adams Wheel & Tire Cleaner being such a high PH product. I had no idea it was a PH of 13.5. I have been using that stuff for the last three years and it's a great wheel and tire cleaner, but unfortunately, it's probably been stripping off my wheel sealant! I need to change up my wash procedure and just use either plain ole' soap in a bucket to clean my wheels, or a PH neutral wheel cleaner unless the high PH of Adams Wheel and Tire is needed. Thanks for pointing out those facts. I definitely want to try out Pan's products, especially the Spray Sealant, Spray Polish, and Rinseless wash. With the strong chemical resistance of Pan's Spray Sealant, that would make a great wheel sealant also.
Thank you Joe, when the wheels are coated you can do a mild pre-wash just like the paint and rinse, then use your favorite car shampoo or diluted APC but yeah anything with too high degreasing capacities will slowly eat the coating. Adams is way overkill for regular maintenance like we do, washing 1 to 4 times a month. Keep it when get to clean the neglected cars. If you want to use it up you can also heavily dilute the Adams it should be no problem for light duty. Happy to see you again, appreciate you.
@@Detailing_Dogma Thank you Frank for the follow up. Much appreciated sir. It was like a big light bulb went off "Ding". Yeah, I have been pretty much going at it with a much higher PH than I realized but do to your informative video, I will be correcting that issue from now on. And I have been detailing for 45+ years and it never really registered that I was using all these high alkaline wheel products over the years which was destroying my protection.
Chemical resistance tests are only one way to simulate the real world. What I am looking forward to is a timed test on real cars. Also, a drawback for me to this new product is the fact it can only be bought from one supplier. I have brought up that fact, but Pan and his followers did not think that is relevant at this time, so I thank you for a good honest review.
Hey Kevin happy to have you on the channel. Thank you for good words! I have multiple real world test videos but as you may know they take time and a lot more preparation, access to the car later on etc. Right now my real world test are on resin solvent based ceramic products make sure to stay tuned for them. Pan exclusivity is just part of his deal agreement, nothing we can do about, the house of rags is great to deal with, awesome team and admin behind that store I highly recommend. ✌️
I just came from another review on pans spray sealant , it really seemed the motivation of the video was to just make it look bad which sucks to see in the community because it was a fairly big TH-cam channel
So I don’t need to do a big prep before using this Clean product, just use it after a good wash? Thanks again for taking the time to post this great video for us all.
My pleasure and thank you my friend. Yes and no, investing in the prep is important like a deep decon but I dont think the panel prep makes a measurable improvement when talking sealant and spray stuff. I'd keep polishing and paint prep for Solvent based ceramics. By all means if you have a panel prep and want the most out of your sealant application use the paint prep, it's a good insurance. We could test this at some point to find more answers. cheers
If you wash your vehicle with high ph soaps or even use hard water that’s been ceramic coated even with a high end ceramic coating you will slowly start to remove your coating and it wont last.
Hey Slav your request is added to the notebook but I dont have the means to buy all the products you guys want to compare, Koch sealant is 50$ here, feel free to support the channel on buymeacoffee and make a product request. Right now we'll have a 1-step comparaison, Tire cleaner and ceramic coating video. Respectfully, Frank.
@ depends what you're looking for in a sealant? They are far from perfect. I have a new sealant video comparison coming soon. Meanwhile I have 2 videos on sealant you can watch in my best playlist
Great to see a no fluff video. I recently have stopped following many TH-camrs as there seems to be way too much drama. Definitely a reason I’m glad I found your channel early on. I personally don’t have much use for spray scellants. I prefer for a little bit more work to go for a full blown ceramic coating and benefit for the coatings life. I tend to run away from any of the drama that has come from Pan’s original video. I now look for the more educational channels. I seem to struggle most with tire shine products. I’m in the country and have to deal with gravel roads. Maybe a good topic to look into. Keep it up Frank
Le ADS dur pas, alors je prefere le Amplify tant qu'a sa un vrai drying aid, si tu veux une durabilité vas-y avec celui de Pan, oublie pas le rabais pour la chaine code ''DOGMA''.
I wonder how this would compare to a good ceramic coat. How much harder is a real ceramic coat to remove with products designed to remove ceramic coatings and sealants.
I still don’t understand all the negative stuff around pan’s products. Both products in this case are awesome. I love ADS/Pan/DIY details products. There are so many great selections these days
i have asked every detail guy to use your best ceramic coating on a panel, then put it under a tree. hang a bird feeder above it . leave it there for a month then clean it ! that's a true test in my opinion!
Frank, thank you for another awesome video. I think Pan products are legit and is a group of people than can't stand it and they are going to try and make his products fail. Keep the awesome work and I enjoy your channel. 💯💪
Great question! The Clean sealant can also be used as spray on and rinse off. Considering the result of this test, I would 99% say that clean by pan would be more durable.
Yvan says the first 3 days after application, even a Full Ceramic Coating could be susceptible to Surfactants. So maybe to give ADS a chance give it say 5 days before a soap wash?
Hey John, thank you for tuning in my friend. Before making the video I made sure those products could handle it. Armour is 24hours with chemicals as per their website. You have a valid point but spray sealants dont bond the same way solvent ceramic coating do. Most sealant are fully cured within a few hours. Both products in the video had the same procedure.
@@landryb06 I can arrange some sealant test in the winter Sir Landry, none of them usually do well in my experience. The only thing I've seen very tough in the winter is soft99 fusso wax but the application is a nightmare and the gloss isnt very good. cheers
So far on YT, Pan's Ceramic Spray is 0-1 vs Griot's, 1-0-1 vs DIY Detail Ceramic Boost, and 1-0 vs ADS Ceramic Sealant. Autoglym and Wolfgang Uber both have wins over Griot's, while quite a few products have wins over DIY and ADS. So safe to say Pan's is among the mid to top tier, but not obviously the best.
@miscellaneous5215 scootHD tested Griot's 3-in-1 three times on an outdoor panel with multiple washes and it lasted a year. Jamie the Cleaner also tested Griot's and it beat ADS, DIY, Apex BC3, Ethos, and Jimbo's. Forensic Detailing also tested Griot's and it took 2nd place behind Autoglym but beat about 10 other ceramic sealants.
Salut , bravo avec toi on a toujours l’hrs juste de mon côté je prend TW seal and shine depuis le début pour mes clients , cette été j’ai prit un topper ceramique cest a dire phoenix titan , et je vais revenir a tw seal and shine dur vraiment lontemps mais plus dur a appliquer surtout si cest humide fait des strie quelques fois mais a date qualiter prix jai rien trouver pour le battre bravo encore lache pas jadors regarder tes video
Salut Pat et merci pour tes bons commentaires habituels. Si tu veux mon avis tes clients devrait payé pour la durabilité et tu leur offre un coating 1an style moonlight ou cancoat sans polissage sinon pour le prix de base j'inclurais un sealant facile a utiliser et rapide pour toi. A Bientot
I tripled checked everything afterwards, my bottle seems ok, has a distinct scent. I have no clue what happened, i certainly did not expect that. Bad batch maybe? I'll have to give another go once I get this panel polished I doubt your sealant would wash off like this.
ADS do you have any ideas why Carpro reset was able to wash off the sealant? The prep etc was the same as the other side. How important is curing? Temperature, humidity, duration?
@@trifin5772honestly, looks like the sealant was never really there in the first place. The initial water performance doesn’t look anything like our Product. Not saying something else was used, just that nothing ever latched to the surface.
@@Detailing_Dogmalots of variables to consider. A full prep is always best for a true comparison. I have bottles from your batch that still perform as expected.
I don't know if it's the lighting, but the right side looks glossier, and the colour looks deeper (after the 2nd & 3rd wash): I believe the right side is ADS. Is it just me or does anyone else agree? Pan's side looks to be more hydrophobic
Hey Tj glad to have you on, to answer your concern it's probably the natural light coming from the big window behind the camera on the Armour side and lastly once the Armour side is flooded with water and is pooling water very slowly it gives the wet look as a result. Thanks man ✌️✌️
@@Detailing_DogmaThat would explain it. I have seen another review where someone mentioned that Clean Spray Sealant is a special product and their favourite out of Pans' entire line. Thank you for responding to me. Have a great day!
It's been very clear that there are a number of YT clowns that smelled blood in the water over internet backlash at Pan, and thought they could increase their value through buying the Pan haters by posting their own Pan negativity. A bit sad and extremely pathetic; and karma is a b*tch. What comes around...
Hey Neil, ADS said the batch was fine. I used it before but didnt pay attention to the durability. I just assumed like you it was gonna do well as the Armour line is very solid in my experience. But yes, bizarre that it washed off so quickly, it was certainly beading. Cheers
Its irrelevant to a certain point… just remember how Cerakote knew their first formula was a flop and they made V2. It was because a torture test video that sparked some drama. They are a cool thing and to entertain but also you can have a bit of important information. It does not reflect real world durability by no means and we all can agree on that.
I'm disappointed in the Armour Detail product. It simply washes off. I'd love to see a 3 way test between Clean, Bolala P19 and Griot's 3 in 1 Ceramic Spray was
i would say that a ceramic coating removed by geyons total remover is a scam. total remover is acidic arond 3ph. a good ceramic should be able to handle that. here in europe we have products that are 1ph and are not celebrated like gyeon and work better. gyeon is pure marketing as is pan. it is a good product thats for sure but double the price we are used to in europe for similar performance. even the price of pans CCs is joke
I respect your opinion brother, but GYEON follows the demand, people have been asking for a safe sealant remover for years and gyeon delivers, it worked great in my review if you havent watched it. Remember PH isn't everything, the chemicals make-up is more relevant. Look into the LAbocoesmtica stuff they tested PH1 products that have no results to speak of, i will leave it at that. Cheers
Mmm not so sure about the negativity about chemical tests… For me there is nothing worse than detailing the car one week to then wash all the work off next week. Your test clearly shows what happens to a lot of us! You did everything correctly and just shampooed off the ADS sealant! It’s crazy. I need to use a strong cleaner in winter, I use Touchless and it washes away so many products. Also I hope this is ok to say but you called out other reviews of Pans product but in the very same test ADS just washed off. So why couldn’t the same thing happen to another reviewer when they trying Pans product? Please understand I don’t care about Pan or ADS I’m just trying to be fair. Companies always tell us that we did the prep wrong but you didn’t. I wonder how much variation there is from batch to batch of a chemical. It might well be that some companies have better quality control than others but we won’t know as it’s all blamed on user error. Sorry for long post!
Hey Trifin you've got a good point my friend, I get it. When I planned the video and then executed it, things turned out a little bit different like it often does. I havent seen true sealant wash off like this in my experience. I picked the armour to show that spraying heavy degreasers on sealants would affect both, not just Pan, which is to be expected but like i said it turned out differently. The videos I was referring to just looked like they were rigged to display a poor performance from a Pan product. I dont think it was a batch problem as ADS confirmed this batch is performing well in their test, right now I dont have any answer for you why this happened. Finally knowing Pan I highly doubt his sealant would wash off or deteriorate in just few car washes so like I mentioned in the intro I needed to test it my self. Thanks for your feedback.
I like ADS better. I have seen test where the opposite thing happens. I have seen a test where Beadmaker outlasted clean. The guy got roasted but he doesn’t even really use either product.
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Chemical resistance tests have always been pretty much pointless to me on spray sealants. They're too easy to influence, and too easy to apply to really matter. Find one that is easy to apply, reasonably priced and that fits your needs, and don't worry about it. Top it and send it!
Could not agree more with you Jeff, Amen brother. ✌️
The only chemical resistance test that should be done are the car shampoo and acidic or alkaline presoaks.
Nice!! I had no doubt how pan's products would come out. It's super nice to see the product being validated with honest reviews!!! 👍🏻 🇨🇦
Awesome 404, glad you liked it. Thanks for choosing my video, talk soon. ✌️
Thanks for testing the swirl filling! A lot of reviews don't test that but it's my #1 priority for sealants.
Awesome Mike, glad it helps you! Thanks for taking the time to let me know ✌️
I really appreciate your scientific/truth method on detail reviews. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down in a literal way ❤
My pleasure Joe! Glad you liked it, welcome to the Dogma!✌️
The way I see it, there's different forms of durability: temporal (time), mechanical (agitation), and chemical. Being durable in one category doesn't mean it's durable in another (eg. TW Seal n Shine is highly chemical resistant, average mechanical resistance but doesn't hold up as well over time). And even within chemical durability, some sealants are resistant to some chemicals but susceptible to others (Beadcoat resists high pH well but only moderately resistant to low pH).
How do you like? Collinite beadcoat? How is the water behavior?
@miscellaneous5215 I applied Collinite Beadcoat on one half of my outside-kept vehicle, and Xpel Ceramic Boost on the other half. After 2 months the Xpel is starting to fail while the Beadcoat is still going strong with about a 90 to 100 degree water contact angle
@@TheBreakfastLover thanks. that's pretty impressive. Beadcoat looks good.
Good points, I like the way you put it. thank you ✌️
I used these two products and DIY Ceramic Gloss on my hood(daily driver). After 12 days, Ceramic Gloss was far ahead in terms of durability versus the other two. YMMV.
Thank you for the video! We to have done this test and Clean Spray Sealant is a good option, but we never get that result with CSS. For us ADS CSS is VERY hydrophobic. Full transparency, ADS was easier to apply and more hydrophobic, Clean was more durable and slightly more slick under the towel. Either way, can't go wrong in a real world scenario.
If I understand correctly, you said Clean is VERY hydrophobic, but ADS is even MORE hydrophobic?
@ both are good, but in terms of strictly “beading” ADS was better on the handful of cars we have done side by side on.
I tripled checked everything afterwards, my bottle seems ok, has a distinct scent. I have no clue what happened, i certainly did not expect that. Bad batch maybe? I'll have to give another go once I get this panel polished I doubt your sealant would wash off like this.
I love this brand's honesty. A rarely seen quality, especially in this business. Every time I go comments, ADS always keeps it 💯 !! I haven't tried their products yet, but as soon as I finish up w all this other stuff, I'm buying everything I need from ADS.
ADS is more hydrophobic than what is shown in this video.
Anyone else getting PINK PANTHER VIBES from the awesome music!?? I Makes me smile every time I hear it. Plus his accent is very similar to THE INSPECTOR!!! LOVE THIS!
Thanks for tuning in!
I'm doing a series of real-world durability tests on Armour's Ceramic Spray Sealant vs Ryan West Industries Fusion. I need to re-start it though, because the bottle of Armour was old and did not perform well at the first wash. I have a brand new bottle and I'll be re-applying both sealants after I polish the hood and prep it.
The "torture" tests are more or less a waste of time and material, but it's entertaining. The test I'll be doing is applying both sealants, waiting at least a few days before any chemical hits it, then doing a first wash, then driving the car through the winter months in Wisconsin and doing weekly/bi-weekly washes. As soon as one sealant clearly fails, I'll put the winner against another sealant and so on. That is a real world test and how they SHOULD be tested.
Hey brodz I just got on your channel and watch your video, I dont think my water behaviour was much different then yours, I was hoping you to wash it so we could have compared. Not sure if mine is v1 or v2 I got it in around May I believe.
I also agree with the real world test which my channel is all about as well. They are harder to capture and present to the audience and longer to edit.
See you in the next one ✌️
Oofta! Armour flat-out failed right after one wash with Reset? That also doesn't seem right.
Thanks for checking out my video! I didn't capture footage of me polishing, prepping and applying the sealants because it was late at night and I wanted to get it done. I did, however, wash it in the video with Ethos Hybrid rinseless wash. Then the hydrophobics afterward was showing that the Fusion clearly had stronger hydrophobics than ADS. Both DJ and Brad said something isn't right with the bottle I used (not any fault of mine). I had a friend provide me with a new bottle straight from Armour and came in the mail last Saturday, so I will be doing a new video showcasing a light polish on the hood, prepping it and re-applying both sealants this weekend. I'll keep the car in the garage and do a hydrophobic test after 24 hours. After that, i'll do a weeks worth of driving to work and back (at least 320 miles) and do a first wash (I'll either use a rinseless or pH neutral soap), then another hydrophobics test. All of that will be in one video, so expect a new video within the next few weeks. I'll probably do a bi-weekly wash and hydrophobics video after the first wash and go until there is a clear failure of one of the sealants.
@@Brodizzle83 The only thing I can say is that no one on TH-cam seems to get consistent results from spray sealants, especially water based products vs solvent carriers. I suspect they are very sensitive to prep, temperature, humidity, etc.
I applied Clean Ceramic Sealant on my VW Touareg on October 17 and so far my honest opinion is that's its good at everything but not great at anything. but so far its holding up well. Its still way to early to have a final conclusion on this product but so far it's been good.
Glad to hear! Keep me updated and thank you for your feedback
The products will speak for themselves with their results I like your style videos no BS. I look forward in trying out the clean products I know armor detail supplies is solid and I’m pretty sure the clean product line is good too
Awesome brother thank you, Armour is top notch all around, first bizarre experience. Cheers
Excellent and FAIR test! Bravo!
Thank you very much! Thanks taking the time to let me know.✌️✌️
Great video for being straight up on your review 🇨🇦🇨🇦
Thank you Casey, thanks for taking the time to let know! 🇨🇦🤝✌️
Thank you for your honest review!
Thank you Bryan, glad you enjoy the content!
An honest comparison, thanks Frank 👍😁
Dave, glad you liked it my friend. ✌️✌️
Great video and great feedback . Really the spoken truth !
Thank you Sir Perez! thank for taking the time to let me know. ✌️
Fired up to see this test hood in more videos! Appreciate the effort you put in to your content. Both great brands
you got it! Thank you brother, appreciate your feedback. ✌️✌️
Soap and apc at max, it's all the resistance i need from a sealant. I would never use wheel cleaner on the paint, nor other harsh chemicals and if I do need, I know I will have to apply new layer of protection, so I also don't understand the whole chemical resistance. I use a sealant which I like the looks of it and I know it's weak vs high PH products, but with just regular wash (I wash every 1-2 weeks) it holds for 2-3 months easily.
Awesome read, appreciate your feedback a lot of good points there. Thanks for choosing to watch my video
great test, thanks for your work 👍
Thank you Slava, appreciate your support ✌️✌️
It seems everyone gets different results from a lot of sealants and coatings. So that tells me that maybe the industry could have quality control issues as the inconsistencies from bottle to bottle are a lot on every brand . You never see these inconsistencies when doing customers cars because they aren’t being tested. Thank you !
I think the batches thing is overblown, I was told by numerous ppl in DMs they had the exact same results. Be careful with Pan's reviews a few haters are making it like his products are failing. cheers
The difference is insane!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for choosing to watch my video my friend. ✌️✌️
Winters in Atlantic Canada are tough on any paint protection, I have tried many of the ceramic sprays/spray sealants on the market and haven't found any that last more than 4 months over the winter. To be honest, I think 4 months is an acceptable result from simple spray sealants given their cost.
Hey my friend 🇨🇦 you bring up a valid point. In my experience the sealants get clogged up really quick, cold and warm temperature changes with garages break them down fast as well. The only thing that outlasted winter for us is gyeon Cancoat and Soft99 fusso but fusso is a pain to remove and I didnt like the look. Cheers and thanks for your feedback!
Good stuff man love the honesty!
Thank you JR, your feedback is very helpful. ✌️✌️
Good stuff, im holding back on buying stuff until black friday! Pan's spray sealant will be part of that order for sure !!
Great presentation Frank. You bring up some really valid points here and some things I never thought of before. One of which is the Adams Wheel & Tire Cleaner being such a high PH product. I had no idea it was a PH of 13.5. I have been using that stuff for the last three years and it's a great wheel and tire cleaner, but unfortunately, it's probably been stripping off my wheel sealant! I need to change up my wash procedure and just use either plain ole' soap in a bucket to clean my wheels, or a PH neutral wheel cleaner unless the high PH of Adams Wheel and Tire is needed. Thanks for pointing out those facts. I definitely want to try out Pan's products, especially the Spray Sealant, Spray Polish, and Rinseless wash. With the strong chemical resistance of Pan's Spray Sealant, that would make a great wheel sealant also.
That's what this video taught me as well - that my wheel coating is definitely gone by now from Adams wheel&tire. Good to know.
Thank you Joe, when the wheels are coated you can do a mild pre-wash just like the paint and rinse, then use your favorite car shampoo or diluted APC but yeah anything with too high degreasing capacities will slowly eat the coating. Adams is way overkill for regular maintenance like we do, washing 1 to 4 times a month. Keep it when get to clean the neglected cars. If you want to use it up you can also heavily dilute the Adams it should be no problem for light duty. Happy to see you again, appreciate you.
@@Detailing_Dogma Thank you Frank for the follow up. Much appreciated sir. It was like a big light bulb went off "Ding". Yeah, I have been pretty much going at it with a much higher PH than I realized but do to your informative video, I will be correcting that issue from now on. And I have been detailing for 45+ years and it never really registered that I was using all these high alkaline wheel products over the years which was destroying my protection.
Frank , Another good test the Canadian way. 🇨🇦👍👍
Thank you Eric ✌️✌️ Appreciate your feedback brother.
Great video once again brother. Thank you for sharing the results and the detailed comparison. I agree with you 100% to much negativity out there.
Thank you, glad you liked it and thanks for taking take the time to leave your feedback! ✌️
I appreciate all the work you do Frank, this was a great video 👍 I like that you always give your viewers an honest opinion. Keep up the good work. 🤜🤛
All pleasure is mine Mario, thank you my friend. This is why I started the channel, truth and integrity. See you on the next one.
Chemical resistance tests are only one way to simulate the real world. What I am looking forward to is a timed test on real cars. Also, a drawback for me to this new product is the fact it can only be bought from one supplier. I have brought up that fact, but Pan and his followers did not think that is relevant at this time, so I thank you for a good honest review.
Hey Kevin happy to have you on the channel. Thank you for good words!
I have multiple real world test videos but as you may know they take time and a lot more preparation, access to the car later on etc. Right now my real world test are on resin solvent based ceramic products make sure to stay tuned for them. Pan exclusivity is just part of his deal agreement, nothing we can do about, the house of rags is great to deal with, awesome team and admin behind that store I highly recommend. ✌️
Absolutely agree, I need to be able to go and buy the product, not always something shipped to me, it greatly increases the price.
I just came from another review on pans spray sealant , it really seemed the motivation of the video was to just make it look bad which sucks to see in the community because it was a fairly big TH-cam channel
Hey Maximino you're exactly right!
Hope they get the 16oz back in stock soon on Canada, waiting to try it!
AWesome hope you like it FELIX!
What’s the spray bottle ? Sorry I did not see it in the description .
Do you mean the pump sprayer? here it is tinyurl.com/crtufjeu Thanks for watching!
So I don’t need to do a big prep before using this Clean product, just use it after a good wash? Thanks again for taking the time to post this great video for us all.
My pleasure and thank you my friend. Yes and no, investing in the prep is important like a deep decon but I dont think the panel prep makes a measurable improvement when talking sealant and spray stuff. I'd keep polishing and paint prep for Solvent based ceramics. By all means if you have a panel prep and want the most out of your sealant application use the paint prep, it's a good insurance. We could test this at some point to find more answers. cheers
@@Detailing_Dogmathank you very much Frank!!
To my eyes the pan's sealant is the better of the 2 sealants by far
it definitely did! Thanks for watching Nick
Great review! Thank you!
Thank you, thanks for choosing to watch my video! ✌️
If you wash your vehicle with high ph soaps or even use hard water that’s been ceramic coated even with a high end ceramic coating you will slowly start to remove your coating and it wont last.
Very good comparison.
Can you make video with comparison with PAN sealant with Koch Chemie Spary sealant as well?
Hey Slav your request is added to the notebook but I dont have the means to buy all the products you guys want to compare, Koch sealant is 50$ here, feel free to support the channel on buymeacoffee and make a product request. Right now we'll have a 1-step comparaison, Tire cleaner and ceramic coating video.
Respectfully,
Frank.
Armour Detail Ceramic Sealant or Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray Coating for stand alone protection if you had to choose one?
hey Barney, seriously none of those.
@ which spray sealant would you recommend?
@ depends what you're looking for in a sealant? They are far from perfect. I have a new sealant video comparison coming soon. Meanwhile I have 2 videos on sealant you can watch in my best playlist
@@Detailing_Dogma Can't wait for your new spray sealant video. I love your channel!
@@barneychamorro thanks dude, appreciate you!
Great to see a no fluff video. I recently have stopped following many TH-camrs as there seems to be way too much drama.
Definitely a reason I’m glad I found your channel early on.
I personally don’t have much use for spray scellants. I prefer for a little bit more work to go for a full blown ceramic coating and benefit for the coatings life.
I tend to run away from any of the drama that has come from Pan’s original video. I now look for the more educational channels.
I seem to struggle most with tire shine products. I’m in the country and have to deal with gravel roads. Maybe a good topic to look into.
Keep it up Frank
Thank you Steve, love the feedback my friend. Enjoy your week-end ✌️
Which one is the slickest Frank? Nice video en passant!
Le ADS dur pas, alors je prefere le Amplify tant qu'a sa un vrai drying aid, si tu veux une durabilité vas-y avec celui de Pan, oublie pas le rabais pour la chaine code ''DOGMA''.
I wonder how this would compare to a good ceramic coat. How much harder is a real ceramic coat to remove with products designed to remove ceramic coatings and sealants.
I can cook up something in that fashion soon Shawn. Talk to you in the next one cheers!
@ thank you, keep up the great work.
I still don’t understand all the negative stuff around pan’s products. Both products in this case are awesome. I love ADS/Pan/DIY details products. There are so many great selections these days
agreed brother. Thank you for your feedback my friend ✌️✌️
Clean by Pan is definitely 🥇
Awesome Mike thanks for watching
So now i m disappointed by 2 products: the Armour sealant and Gyeon Total Remover that did not do what I expected. Quite confused....🙊🤔😳
Hey Dom, Total remover worked well in the past in my video on it. At least the test revealed something for you! Cheers ✌️
i have asked every detail guy to use your best ceramic coating on a panel, then put it under a tree. hang a bird feeder above it . leave it there for a month then clean it ! that's a true test in my opinion!
Frank, thank you for another awesome video. I think Pan products are legit and is a group of people than can't stand it and they are going to try and make his products fail. Keep the awesome work and I enjoy your channel. 💯💪
Well said bigo, thanks for tuning in as usual my friend! ✌️
Griots 3in1 Ceramic is fiiiire. I def wanna try ADS tho.
Added to the notebook Jefferson thank you Sir!
Griots is much more durable.
How does the Pan sealant compare to a product like Gyeon's Wet Coat?
Great question! The Clean sealant can also be used as spray on and rinse off. Considering the result of this test, I would 99% say that clean by pan would be more durable.
Hey Marc, we don't know yet. I can Look into spray N rinse application for CLEAN by Pan if you want
Yvan says the first 3 days after application, even a Full Ceramic Coating could be susceptible to Surfactants. So maybe to give ADS a chance give it say 5 days before a soap wash?
Hey John, thank you for tuning in my friend. Before making the video I made sure those products could handle it. Armour is 24hours with chemicals as per their website. You have a valid point but spray sealants dont bond the same way solvent ceramic coating do. Most sealant are fully cured within a few hours. Both products in the video had the same procedure.
spray sealent... that is insane.
Please do a salt resistance test.
You mean the salt and calcium they put on the roads for winter?
@@Detailing_Dogma Yes.
@@landryb06 I can arrange some sealant test in the winter Sir Landry, none of them usually do well in my experience. The only thing I've seen very tough in the winter is soft99 fusso wax but the application is a nightmare and the gloss isnt very good. cheers
So far on YT, Pan's Ceramic Spray is 0-1 vs Griot's, 1-0-1 vs DIY Detail Ceramic Boost, and 1-0 vs ADS Ceramic Sealant.
Autoglym and Wolfgang Uber both have wins over Griot's, while quite a few products have wins over DIY and ADS. So safe to say Pan's is among the mid to top tier, but not obviously the best.
Griot's 3 in 1 is quite durable isn't it...
@miscellaneous5215 scootHD tested Griot's 3-in-1 three times on an outdoor panel with multiple washes and it lasted a year. Jamie the Cleaner also tested Griot's and it beat ADS, DIY, Apex BC3, Ethos, and Jimbo's. Forensic Detailing also tested Griot's and it took 2nd place behind Autoglym but beat about 10 other ceramic sealants.
Wolfgang Uber beat Griots ?
@@OrthodoxChristian27 yup by a landslide, i think it was Dmitry's Garage
@@TheBreakfastLover you're right, i just saw that. That's just one test though. Griots has proven itself for several years.
Salut , bravo avec toi on a toujours l’hrs juste de mon côté je prend TW seal and shine depuis le début pour mes clients , cette été j’ai prit un topper ceramique cest a dire phoenix titan , et je vais revenir a tw seal and shine dur vraiment lontemps mais plus dur a appliquer surtout si cest humide fait des strie quelques fois mais a date qualiter prix jai rien trouver pour le battre bravo encore lache pas jadors regarder tes video
Salut Pat et merci pour tes bons commentaires habituels. Si tu veux mon avis tes clients devrait payé pour la durabilité et tu leur offre un coating 1an style moonlight ou cancoat sans polissage sinon pour le prix de base j'inclurais un sealant facile a utiliser et rapide pour toi.
A Bientot
Super odd results you got here. Either way, thanks for demonstrating both products, Francois!
I tripled checked everything afterwards, my bottle seems ok, has a distinct scent. I have no clue what happened, i certainly did not expect that. Bad batch maybe? I'll have to give another go once I get this panel polished I doubt your sealant would wash off like this.
ADS do you have any ideas why Carpro reset was able to wash off the sealant? The prep etc was the same as the other side. How important is curing? Temperature, humidity, duration?
@@trifin5772honestly, looks like the sealant was never really there in the first place. The initial water performance doesn’t look anything like our Product. Not saying something else was used, just that nothing ever latched to the surface.
@@Detailing_Dogmalots of variables to consider. A full prep is always best for a true comparison. I have bottles from your batch that still perform as expected.
@@armourdetailsupplycould it be that it wasn’t sprayed directly on the panel also? I’ve seen test that indicate a difference when doing so
You are the MVP! Thank you for keeping it real and 💯!!!!!
Thank you Noah, appreciate you.
Did you purchase all of these products yourself? Or were any of them given to you?
both provided by the brands
Oh. Thank you.
No free shipping
I don't know if it's the lighting, but the right side looks glossier, and the colour looks deeper (after the 2nd & 3rd wash): I believe the right side is ADS. Is it just me or does anyone else agree?
Pan's side looks to be more hydrophobic
Hey Tj glad to have you on, to answer your concern it's probably the natural light coming from the big window behind the camera on the Armour side and lastly once the Armour side is flooded with water and is pooling water very slowly it gives the wet look as a result. Thanks man ✌️✌️
@@Detailing_DogmaThat would explain it. I have seen another review where someone mentioned that Clean Spray Sealant is a special product and their favourite out of Pans' entire line. Thank you for responding to me. Have a great day!
It's been very clear that there are a number of YT clowns that smelled blood in the water over internet backlash at Pan, and thought they could increase their value through buying the Pan haters by posting their own Pan negativity. A bit sad and extremely pathetic; and karma is a b*tch. What comes around...
Amen Brian, appreciate your feedback.
Maybe the ADS had something wrong with that batch. I’m assuming that is not normal behavior you’ve seen from ADS in the past.
Hey Neil, ADS said the batch was fine. I used it before but didnt pay attention to the durability. I just assumed like you it was gonna do well as the Armour line is very solid in my experience. But yes, bizarre that it washed off so quickly, it was certainly beading. Cheers
@@Detailing_Dogmabut as you stated, chemical torture tests are kinda dumb. No normal person is going to do that to there vehicle.
Its irrelevant to a certain point… just remember how Cerakote knew their first formula was a flop and they made V2.
It was because a torture test video that sparked some drama.
They are a cool thing and to entertain but also you can have a bit of important information.
It does not reflect real world durability by no means and we all can agree on that.
Fair enough, valid points, Thank you for your feedback. We definitely use the panel more to explore different stuff in the next few weeks. Cheers
I'm disappointed in the Armour Detail product. It simply washes off. I'd love to see a 3 way test between Clean, Bolala P19 and Griot's 3 in 1 Ceramic Spray was
Hey Aubrey thank you. I dont have any of the Griot's stuff atm but I'll add it to the notebook. Appreciate your feedback ✌️✌️
If pan did better i wonder how the comments would go
I'm cooking a smilar one with solvent based ceramic coatings with more steps so stay tuned. thank you
First!!!!!!happy Halloween 🎃
Same to you!
Pan is the best!!
Thank you for choosing to watch my video ✌️✌️
i would say that a ceramic coating removed by geyons total remover is a scam. total remover is acidic arond 3ph. a good ceramic should be able to handle that. here in europe we have products that are 1ph and are not celebrated like gyeon and work better. gyeon is pure marketing as is pan. it is a good product thats for sure but double the price we are used to in europe for similar performance. even the price of pans CCs is joke
What products are you referring to that is 1ph and work well for you? Interested to know.
I respect your opinion brother, but GYEON follows the demand, people have been asking for a safe sealant remover for years and gyeon delivers, it worked great in my review if you havent watched it. Remember PH isn't everything, the chemicals make-up is more relevant. Look into the LAbocoesmtica stuff they tested PH1 products that have no results to speak of, i will leave it at that. Cheers
@@xavierparedes4765 aqua car APC sour
@@Detailing_Dogma like i said i agree that it is a good product. but...
Happy Halloween!
Very interesting test and results.
But I recommend wearing gloves especially with ceramics.
Thank you Sam, I wear gloves 100% but for the camera stuff it's not doing it for me. I will put more thoughts into it cheers ✌️✌️
Mmm not so sure about the negativity about chemical tests… For me there is nothing worse than detailing the car one week to then wash all the work off next week. Your test clearly shows what happens to a lot of us! You did everything correctly and just shampooed off the ADS sealant! It’s crazy. I need to use a strong cleaner in winter, I use Touchless and it washes away so many products. Also I hope this is ok to say but you called out other reviews of Pans product but in the very same test ADS just washed off. So why couldn’t the same thing happen to another reviewer when they trying Pans product? Please understand I don’t care about Pan or ADS I’m just trying to be fair. Companies always tell us that we did the prep wrong but you didn’t. I wonder how much variation there is from batch to batch of a chemical. It might well be that some companies have better quality control than others but we won’t know as it’s all blamed on user error. Sorry for long post!
Hey Trifin you've got a good point my friend, I get it. When I planned the video and then executed it, things turned out a little bit different like it often does. I havent seen true sealant wash off like this in my experience.
I picked the armour to show that spraying heavy degreasers on sealants would affect both, not just Pan, which is to be expected but like i said it turned out differently.
The videos I was referring to just looked like they were rigged to display a poor performance from a Pan product.
I dont think it was a batch problem as ADS confirmed this batch is performing well in their test, right now I dont have any answer for you why this happened.
Finally knowing Pan I highly doubt his sealant would wash off or deteriorate in just few car washes so like I mentioned in the intro I needed to test it my self.
Thanks for your feedback.
A couple shady videos by the Auto Detailing Podcast Channel? LOL. Sounds about right
Thanks for tuning in Marc ✌️
Yea I saw that too
I like ADS better. I have seen test where the opposite thing happens. I have seen a test where Beadmaker outlasted clean. The guy got roasted but he doesn’t even really use either product.
Hi Frank 🫡. I’ve searched your videos and I haven’t come across you reviewing ADS Decon Soap. When you have time would you be able to to give us a Review 🫡. Thank you and Shouts to CANADA 🇨🇦👀
Thank you David, i have decon soap, I added it to the note book my friend, thank you brother.✌️✌️
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