The genies really pull Good down at their tier. The weird thing is I'm sure the genies are actually pretty good units with their spells; the AI is just terrible at handling them.
Thanks for the comment. Agreed. I think the reason is that the AI does not always use it as supportive spell caster. And as it has high speed it often yolos first among the enemy alone only to get finished off quite quickly. Btw. Nice to see you on this channel as well :)
Thanks for the comment. I have to admit that I cannot accept the credit from such resourcefulness as the unit places are picked by their order in the map editor :)
Tier 3 & tier 7 I think good is much stronger than Neutral & Evil. Elves shoot hard and if anyone comes close then golems is more than enough to deal with attackers, while griffins are more than enough to attack the enemy with. It seems they are stronger at tier 1 & 6 as well. But not the strongest tier 2 & 4, and the weakest tier 5. Weakest links for good: Gremlins Dwarves Archers Golems (but not weak when defending) Pegasi Genie Master genie Monk Dendroid (Mostly cuz it's slow. But good in defence) Weakest links for Neutral: Pixie Goblin Hobgoblin Wolf rider Orc Orc chieftain Fire elemental Earth elemental Cyclops Wyvern Wyvern monarch Hydra Chaos hydra Behemoth Weakest links for evil: Imp Familiar Harpy Walking dead Zombie Wight Wraith Vampire Medusa Manticore Scorpicore Efreeti Bone dragon Ghost dragon Devil
This is so stupid. Heroes is a very strategical game, each unit has its advantages and disadvantages including cost, growth and special abilities. Putting auto-attacking grand elves running half of the map to hit with dagger does not make any sense. And in the last fight the total cost of the units differs a lot.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, AI vs AI is not the most strategic way to go. At the same time the AI should play it equally bad for both sides :) About the total cost: Imo there are two approaches or limiting factors - weekly growth or cost, in this case it was the growth.
Let me explain: In heroes 3 every tile on the adventure map has 3 coordinates: x, y, ground/underground. Every single tile has their own information of battlefields that will be on proper tile. It also depends on terrain. There is a tool called "battlefield explorer" that allows users to find battlefields they want by having collected data about battlefield layouts. If you want more detailed info about that, just search in youtube "HoMM3 Battlefield Explorer (beta)". Here is a video by Bit Carver who shares the link to download this app. There is only one simple problem about that app and it need sorta launcher for .jar files. But you can freely use this app by yourself and test it out. Here only is one small catch that im not familiar with - im not sure whether this is exact same for HoTa.
I think that a ranged shot would have done half damage from this range. After damaging the hydra using a ranged shot, the AI decided that now the Hydra won't retaliate since it would die, and that is why the Titan decided to walk and melee instead of using its ranged shot
when you use ancient behemoths you should give heroes at least 10 attack and diff stats so it can be more realistic, because their ability kind of doesn't really work on 0 stats
I would like to see in semi-realistic scenario to have giants like cyclops against all of those units. They will just throw rocks big like small car into field and half of the attackers will be juiced. Like there is big gap in this. Idk why they have melee penalty when they can easily take sword from champion or straight lift it of the horse like it’s Barbie and make it fly to atmosphere 😂
you need to do rematches when there appears to be extreme RNG. i bet good wins the t4 fight 8 out of 10 times. that was incredibly lucky RNG with the basilisks
basilisks tipped the scale in favor of neutral
Yea, they performed quite well :) Thanks for the comment.
The genies really pull Good down at their tier. The weird thing is I'm sure the genies are actually pretty good units with their spells; the AI is just terrible at handling them.
Yup, fully agree
Thanks for the comment. Agreed. I think the reason is that the AI does not always use it as supportive spell caster. And as it has high speed it often yolos first among the enemy alone only to get finished off quite quickly. Btw. Nice to see you on this channel as well :)
Agree, same for the pegasi. They just yolo and die.
Tier 6 good units are in tier of their own. Fast, tanky, hit hard and decent abilities. Wyverns are glass cannons, without the cannon.
Ouch, that was quite hard on the Wyvers (though rather accurate) :D Thanks for the comment.
Starting Dragonflies off precisely across from the Grand Elves was sneaky, but I respect it XD
Thanks for the comment. I have to admit that I cannot accept the credit from such resourcefulness as the unit places are picked by their order in the map editor :)
Man, neutral got lucky with positioning on T2. The wolf riders completely eliminated the marksman.
True :) Thanks for the comment.
Omg the luck on tier 4 !
Without all that stun, the goods surely win xD
Yea, agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.
Those Neutral Tier 5 are scary and bulky AF, my God no chances for Good (and i think that Evil factions cannot do anything too)
Thanks for the comment. Yea, that is rather strong combo :)
That was very good, tiers 6 and 7 went as expected.
Tier 3 & tier 7 I think good is much stronger than Neutral & Evil. Elves shoot hard and if anyone comes close then golems is more than enough to deal with attackers, while griffins are more than enough to attack the enemy with.
It seems they are stronger at tier 1 & 6 as well. But not the strongest tier 2 & 4, and the weakest tier 5.
Weakest links for good:
Gremlins
Dwarves
Archers
Golems (but not weak when defending)
Pegasi
Genie
Master genie
Monk
Dendroid (Mostly cuz it's slow. But good in defence)
Weakest links for Neutral:
Pixie
Goblin
Hobgoblin
Wolf rider
Orc
Orc chieftain
Fire elemental
Earth elemental
Cyclops
Wyvern
Wyvern monarch
Hydra
Chaos hydra
Behemoth
Weakest links for evil:
Imp
Familiar
Harpy
Walking dead
Zombie
Wight
Wraith
Vampire
Medusa
Manticore
Scorpicore
Efreeti
Bone dragon
Ghost dragon
Devil
Thanks for the good analysis. I agree. Especially tier 7 good units seem to be really op versus evil or neutral :)
This is so stupid. Heroes is a very strategical game, each unit has its advantages and disadvantages including cost, growth and special abilities. Putting auto-attacking grand elves running half of the map to hit with dagger does not make any sense. And in the last fight the total cost of the units differs a lot.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, AI vs AI is not the most strategic way to go. At the same time the AI should play it equally bad for both sides :) About the total cost: Imo there are two approaches or limiting factors - weekly growth or cost, in this case it was the growth.
Useless orcs? Such a classic!
Yea, not too surprising :) Thanks for the comment.
Архангелы не дали фениксам воскреснуть, только воскресли и тут же их убили.
Indeed :) Thanks for the comment.
T5, ents. Only 120 units. But they have +2 grows building. That will not change anything, but still
True. My bad. Thanks for the comment.
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu tnx for contet, pure joy to watch this type of video!
@@dfyz1407 Thank You! :)
All of those fight should have been done on obstacle-less battlefield. Neutral tier 4 almost lost because of terrain.
Thanks for the valid point. Do you have suggestion how to make such battle map? :)
Let me explain: In heroes 3 every tile on the adventure map has 3 coordinates: x, y, ground/underground. Every single tile has their own information of battlefields that will be on proper tile. It also depends on terrain. There is a tool called "battlefield explorer" that allows users to find battlefields they want by having collected data about battlefield layouts. If you want more detailed info about that, just search in youtube "HoMM3 Battlefield Explorer (beta)". Here is a video by Bit Carver who shares the link to download this app. There is only one simple problem about that app and it need sorta launcher for .jar files. But you can freely use this app by yourself and test it out.
Here only is one small catch that im not familiar with - im not sure whether this is exact same for HoTa.
Thanks for the information. I need to check that out :) I am also wondering could the "elemental areas" be free of obstacles?
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu im pretty sure those are also included in this app.
How well would tier 7 do, if you used the regular Phoenix growth?
Thanks for the comment. Yea, that +20 for those stacks could affect things quite a bit. Perhaps I need to do this test in SoD as well :)
In tier 5 the monks and priest should be deffended by Ents and take all the shoots against gorgons.
True. The AI did not quite manage that :D Thanks for the comment.
tower is neutral town, more ,,good´´ is cove
Thanks for the comment. That might be the case :)
why did titan walk towards hydra after shot?? why not keep shooting???
A good question. The AI sometimes have so high level tactics that normal mortals like me cannot comprehend it :D Thanks for the comment.
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I think that a ranged shot would have done half damage from this range. After damaging the hydra using a ranged shot, the AI decided that now the Hydra won't retaliate since it would die, and that is why the Titan decided to walk and melee instead of using its ranged shot
Thanks for the comment. Quite impressive from the AI :)@@אורןפריידין
It's good to be neutral!
Seems to be the case :) Thanks for the comment.
There should be more Treants and Ents
any idea on adding cove and factory?
Thanks for the comment. That is the plan at some point :)
that kind of battel bring nothing to usual games. kinda stupid
Thanks for the comment. Well, it was fun to make :)
Rematch with cost value please
Thanks for the comment. Do you mean that both armies would cost the same, or that the army costs were shown? :)
@@qualityoldhomm-rd3yu Both army cost the same !
Cause archangel is far more expansive than a hydra for exemple
Thanks for the clarification. I will add that to To-Do list :)@@hippopolove
when you use ancient behemoths you should give heroes at least 10 attack and diff stats so it can be more realistic, because their ability kind of doesn't really work on 0 stats
Thanks for the comment. I agree with you. At the same time, other units should get some bonuses as well and it might offset the result :)
+1 more sub :)
Thank You! :)
I would like to see in semi-realistic scenario to have giants like cyclops against all of those units. They will just throw rocks big like small car into field and half of the attackers will be juiced. Like there is big gap in this. Idk why they have melee penalty when they can easily take sword from champion or straight lift it of the horse like it’s Barbie and make it fly to atmosphere 😂
Thanks for the comment. Agreed that realism is not always the strong point of these games :)
Yeah, how many dwarves can take out a giant?
Unnerf phoenix.
Yea, they seem to be relatively weak at the moment because of the lower number :) Thanks for the comment.
Good won on level 4, because a) normally, basiliscs dont get that lucky b) extremelly poor usage of troops = Ez win for Good.
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the AI did some things rather poorly. Then again RNG plays a role as was the case with Basilisks :)
you need to do rematches when there appears to be extreme RNG. i bet good wins the t4 fight 8 out of 10 times. that was incredibly lucky RNG with the basilisks
Thanks for the comment. Yea, the rng can go rather wild at times :)