Exactly what we were taught!, Highkey @2000ft AGL. Once the end of the runway threshold is 45° over your shoulder or if you are at 1700ft agl you start a 30° left hand bank onto “Crosswind” once the threshold is 45° over your shoulder or 1200ft agl you start a 10° constant aspect bank selecting a reference point 1/3 up the runway. if the AP moves up, turn in for 2-4 seconds, back to 10° assess. if it moves down turn out for 2-4 seconds and continue tp do so until you are sure that you will make the runway. at that point select first stage of flaps and gear. and when it looks like you are just too high select last stage of flaps.
I did 20 years in the Australian airforce and a lot of that time was working on the PC-9. I remember one pilot telling me of another pilot who had suffered a flame out in the PC-9. He managed to get a relight and spooled up just in time to save the aircraft. Unfortunately he didn't do so before busting the mandatory eject altitude. It was 24 years ago now so the figures maybe wrong, but I think it was 400', that is to say if you haven't achieved a full restart by that altitude you MUST eject. From the radar recordings and the pilot's own honest testimony, he was well below that by the time he achieved usable thrust to ascend. The pilot in question, by this guys account, wished he had ejected and not saved the aircraft as the amount of grief he copped for busting the minimum eject altitude almost cost him his wings. There was absolutely no gratitude from any quarter about him saving the aircraft.
That’s awful! At the end of the day, it’s the pilots decision whether he ejects or sticks with it. I think (hope) the Service is better these days at reviewing a pilot’s actions fairly.
5:30 I hear my glider instructor in the back yelling "center line overshot" It be great if you do this approach on a swiss military airport like Emmen, Alpnach or Payerne, where it's actually common to have the cloudlayer from 1000 - 3000 ft in the winter time with ground inversion
Well noticed! 👍🏻 I ran through the approach first and added commentary afterwards. Sadly it all happens so quick that I didn’t have time to mention it.
For the more novice viewers if your flying in the mountains dont forget the effects of density altitude - another calc to add in to your glide slope. I like to practice using the "Trevor Jacob" scenario - induce engice failure in a piper cub at that same place and altitude in the sim, and see if I can do a Bush landing on the fly. I mix it up with different wind/weather scenarios.
Awesome job. I’ve been waiting for this topic. Thought you’d do in a Hawk though. Demo a radar PFL with a low cloud base. Then do it again but with an even lower base, but cut to the vinegar strokes, and ask folk if you get it down or not? Repeat until failure. Excellent video and production :-)
Challenge! Lower cloud bases with the hawk are unlikely to be possible. Turboprops are well suited to this sort of approach. I’ll certainly be taking the cloudbase down for the next one. Perhaps 1500ft then 1100ft. There is a straight in option that is possible with the Hawk. Perhaps I’ll try that 👍🏻
Your video's are amazing. Very informative, great performance and professional editing. There are not many realworld aviators creating flightsim content and only few of those are actually capable of translating the realworld finesse and skill into the simulator. Keep it up :)
Nice looking wee bird, and some excellent scenery options 👌 Very educational as always Sir. Great to see how the channel has grown over the last few months, and well deserved. Thanks again Sir.
Excellent video, I really enjoy your editing skills too. One thing fun that I noticed is at 7:13, there is an airliner and its shadow about to cross over the road below, as you're looking out your left main gear door. It's not moving, so I think it may be baked into the sat photo/map that was used for the airport area.
Thanks, I sometimes think I’m over editing but it’s fun and the sim looks incredible! I saw that too and wondered if people would comment. I guess they used to be parked there or perhaps the airfield scenery isn’t quite as big as it should be? Interesting what you find when you look around 👍🏻
That is possibly a player who's hit active pause, it looks like a generic 320 at least. I hae the UK2000 version also & there's nothing baked in there. That is in itself a sim quirk anyway :)
Great to see the subscriber numbers climbing every time I check in to watch a new video. The quality of output on this channel is fantastic. And Inverness airport as well… I think I could see my old flight school (Highland Aviation)
Thanks, my F35 video really did a number for the subs! I do like Inverness. However, night landings as a passenger it was almost like we went subterranean before touchdown!!
Lol. That's true - it's like flying into Jurassic Park. Day flights up towards Ben Nevis, Loch Ness and out over the Mull of Kintyre make it all worth it when they remind you how beautiful it is up there. I ended up leaving because my wife missed shops and because they put average speed cameras all along the road south to Perth, which turned a difficult but fun sub-2 hour journey into a miserable 3. Lovely place otherwise, though, and amazing for flying.
Brilliant video Chris of your professional flying skills being both an education and inspiration to an amateur flight simmer like yours truly. Will you be demonstrating a similar Forced Practice Landing (FPL) in the JustFlight Hawk T1 any time soon ?
Same process through cloud however it’s a darn sight trickier and I’d have to review the procedure, I don’t think it would be possible with a cloud base lower than 3000ft. I may try a 1-in-1 straight in though 👍🏻
Good job! i fly a piper m600 turboprop , and it's so important to set condition lever to the OFF position, otherwise vertical speed is increasing so fast and speed is going down, :)
Great instructions. Having lived in Fort George 20+ years ago that's familiar ground. How about forced landing onto an unprepared surface in say the Grob Tutor? Great channel, keep it up!
Interesting runway (and disused runway) layout instead of the traditional triangular layout of WW2 airfields. Also on finals it looks like the main runway used to be a fair bit longer than it is today.
I saw a plane overlaid in a field just after the custom cameras message. I guess that is one of those aerial photos that sneaks into the overlay. Very interesting demo. Thanks.
There's a number of that shape of field around - the A-shape was for bomber fields, iirc ( which is why most of the south-east ones are that shape ), Inverness was a training field.
Tough choice! Both of the aircraft suffer from slightly off flight by dynamics at the moment. Updates I’m sure in future. But I think it’s down to your preferred style of flying. Aeros in the PC21 or high speed in the hawk! Though the PC21 is nice for a gentle cruise at low level.
@@cgaviator ah interesting, tough choice indeed. So as a former air force pilot which aircraft would you say is the most real-to-life at the moment? Flight dynamics wise.
@@Ray33416 hmmm… the PC21 is much easier to fly. Trim is easy so it’s simple to fly. The hawk won’t fly level for more than a moment. Fine at low level but if you’re cruising without autopilot it is tricky. The PC21 has little to no rudder authority whereas the Hawk has too much and a tendency to wobble or crazy roll! I’m not sure any of that helped! 😂
I never flown a PC21 but seems she is brick ! In real life I practiced many times no engine landing in Lugano (CH) with a PC7 but it was much more manageable. Seems the guys at Pilatus looked for maximum speed and agility for PC21, so they reduced wings area at minimum. I’m used to extract flaps only when I’m sure to reach the threshold, not on base. Nice video
Excellent video, as always. And you have a strangely reassuring voice as you narrate! You mention this model has more drag than you remember in the real thing. Is it possible this is due to inertia not being modelled in MSFS? This has been brought up in a number of forum posts, and the more I think about it, the more it explains some of the quirks of MSFS' flight dynamics.
Oh, maybe! My only reference point however is the Tucano which is lighter I think and slightly bigger wings. But you make a good point about inertia! That would also explain how the aircraft are soooo twitchy in pitch! Thanks 👍🏻
Devs seem to be able to set base straight-line drag up ok - I complain a *lot* about lack of inertia in rotation & translation though, and I'm a little convinced some of that is just because the force scaling involved is too high, which effectively makes the input mass has into the result lower. The PC-21 is a bit egregious in that area. They could also just have set the thing up as a brick :) I've been having little luck in actually feathering props ( as opposed to having props *look* feathered ) in recent SUs - you can put them in & out of feather with no trim change - but the PC-21 is set up as a jet, so that shouldn't matter.
Nicely done. I’d actually like to see the performance math done across a variety of platforms. It’s not boring and I’d like to see how it works out in say a C-17.
Much higher high key I would imagine! 😆 But that could be worth a go! Different aircraft glides. Of course, may not be authentic based on modelling and system depth
The basic principal works. High key in a fast jet or big heavy airliner is circa 10000’ or 1500’ in a slippery GA aircraft, then you play the drag with gear, flaps and air brakes. May get away with 5000’ in a light a320 for example (tested from 10000’ and had to configure early and sideslip). Key principle is stabilise at glide speed, fly a predictable pattern and monitor the sight line angle ( exactly as Chris does, good work!).
After flying the Iris PC-21 what are your thoughts on it? I've been thinking about getting it for some time but haven't pulled the trigger on anything new for MSFS and this, the Vision Jet, and HPG's H145 are a few of the aircraft I am considering.
H145… yes! PC-21 is nicely done. Watch my Swiss army plane video for a detailed look see. The rudder isn’t effective enough and it doesn’t use CFD flight dynamics. But overall it’s a joy to fly
@cgaviator ok thx I'm still going to purchase this aircraft I live near raaf base east sale (ymes) and this is where they are based. can u do a video from their
I'm not understanding. Isn't it always better to leave as much time as possible for the glide in order to give yourself max prep time? You put it into a dive deliberately, no?
Is one technique sure. But orbiting is more suited to a VMC descent. You’d have to time the orbits very well indeed so that you arrive at high key (100ft below cloudbase) on speed and roughly aligned. With excess speed (though this had more drag than expecting, you have other options. But at least there’s time with the ground in sight to make decision. Hope that explains it a bit?
@@Hohum37 no part of the loop is favourable for engine failure situations unless you are many thousands of feet above it rather than in it, as the whole point is you are low level flying, and Llanbedr is between 13 and 20 miles away depending on where you are in the loop, so unless there was an airfield with a runway of enough length in the valley itself at the right spot you are done for the day. 😁
"Once my landing is assured......." I hate to brake it to ya CG, but Newton will tell you that you're landing was assured from the moment your wheels left the tarmac. The only thing you have any say in is when and where.
Exactly what we were taught!, Highkey @2000ft AGL.
Once the end of the runway threshold is 45° over your shoulder or if you are at 1700ft agl you start a 30° left hand bank onto “Crosswind”
once the threshold is 45° over your shoulder or 1200ft agl you start a 10° constant aspect bank selecting a reference point 1/3 up the runway.
if the AP moves up, turn in for 2-4 seconds, back to 10° assess. if it moves down turn out for 2-4 seconds and continue tp do so until you are sure that you will make the runway. at that point select first stage of flaps and gear. and when it looks like you are just too high select last stage of flaps.
Glad to get it reasonably accurate 👍🏻
I did 20 years in the Australian airforce and a lot of that time was working on the PC-9. I remember one pilot telling me of another pilot who had suffered a flame out in the PC-9. He managed to get a relight and spooled up just in time to save the aircraft. Unfortunately he didn't do so before busting the mandatory eject altitude. It was 24 years ago now so the figures maybe wrong, but I think it was 400', that is to say if you haven't achieved a full restart by that altitude you MUST eject. From the radar recordings and the pilot's own honest testimony, he was well below that by the time he achieved usable thrust to ascend. The pilot in question, by this guys account, wished he had ejected and not saved the aircraft as the amount of grief he copped for busting the minimum eject altitude almost cost him his wings. There was absolutely no gratitude from any quarter about him saving the aircraft.
That’s awful! At the end of the day, it’s the pilots decision whether he ejects or sticks with it. I think (hope) the Service is better these days at reviewing a pilot’s actions fairly.
The real time flight with a realistic panel + instructional patter makes excellent videos ! 👍
Thanks very much 👍🏻
5:30 I hear my glider instructor in the back yelling "center line overshot"
It be great if you do this approach on a swiss military airport like Emmen, Alpnach or Payerne, where it's actually common to have the cloudlayer from 1000 - 3000 ft in the winter time with ground inversion
I would like to do another video with the cloudbase at 1000, just finding the time.
And centreline overshoots are fair game if you need to lose a little more altitude 😅
I love the attention to detail here - you never mentioned it (or if you did I missed it!!) but you even squawked 7700 :)
Well noticed! 👍🏻 I ran through the approach first and added commentary afterwards. Sadly it all happens so quick that I didn’t have time to mention it.
@@cgaviator aviate, navigate, communicate, even when it's just a video for TH-cam!
@@marklnz 😁
Very smooth Chris 👍
Very nice… A green endorsement for your log book would be coming your way! 👍😁
Lol, I’ll add it to the one I already have! 😁
For the more novice viewers if your flying in the mountains dont forget the effects of density altitude - another calc to add in to your glide slope.
I like to practice using the "Trevor Jacob" scenario - induce engice failure in a piper cub at that same place and altitude in the sim, and see if I can do a Bush landing on the fly. I mix it up with different wind/weather scenarios.
love the resolve shout out!
amen for the free stuff!
I fly the pc12 for work and it glides sooooooooo well. Gotta love Pilatus
Lovely stuff, maybe I should jump over to some Pilatus!
Some of the clips looks so real I thought he's doing it in real life. I thought this guy has some balls!
😂 that would be something!
Awesome job. I’ve been waiting for this topic. Thought you’d do in a Hawk though. Demo a radar PFL with a low cloud base. Then do it again but with an even lower base, but cut to the vinegar strokes, and ask folk if you get it down or not? Repeat until failure. Excellent video and production :-)
Challenge! Lower cloud bases with the hawk are unlikely to be possible. Turboprops are well suited to this sort of approach. I’ll certainly be taking the cloudbase down for the next one. Perhaps 1500ft then 1100ft. There is a straight in option that is possible with the Hawk. Perhaps I’ll try that 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Sounds good.
Your video's are amazing. Very informative, great performance and professional editing. There are not many realworld aviators creating flightsim content and only few of those are actually capable of translating the realworld finesse and skill into the simulator. Keep it up :)
sorry for the late reply, appreciate you saying! absolutely my pleasure
Nice looking wee bird, and some excellent scenery options 👌
Very educational as always Sir. Great to see how the channel has grown over the last few months, and well deserved.
Thanks again Sir.
Thanks very much!
Great edit. A joy to watch!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Excellent Chris thank you for sharing and showing us more flying skills
My pleasure 👍🏻
Excellent video, I really enjoy your editing skills too. One thing fun that I noticed is at 7:13, there is an airliner and its shadow about to cross over the road below, as you're looking out your left main gear door. It's not moving, so I think it may be baked into the sat photo/map that was used for the airport area.
Thanks, I sometimes think I’m over editing but it’s fun and the sim looks incredible! I saw that too and wondered if people would comment. I guess they used to be parked there or perhaps the airfield scenery isn’t quite as big as it should be? Interesting what you find when you look around 👍🏻
That is possibly a player who's hit active pause, it looks like a generic 320 at least. I hae the UK2000 version also & there's nothing baked in there.
That is in itself a sim quirk anyway :)
Great to see the subscriber numbers climbing every time I check in to watch a new video. The quality of output on this channel is fantastic.
And Inverness airport as well… I think I could see my old flight school (Highland Aviation)
Thanks, my F35 video really did a number for the subs! I do like Inverness. However, night landings as a passenger it was almost like we went subterranean before touchdown!!
Lol. That's true - it's like flying into Jurassic Park. Day flights up towards Ben Nevis, Loch Ness and out over the Mull of Kintyre make it all worth it when they remind you how beautiful it is up there. I ended up leaving because my wife missed shops and because they put average speed cameras all along the road south to Perth, which turned a difficult but fun sub-2 hour journey into a miserable 3. Lovely place otherwise, though, and amazing for flying.
@@colin5577 absolutely, especially around the west coast! And those darn cameras! 😬
@@colin5577 the lack of shop variety here sure isn't fun... god forbid your PC has an issue.
Fantastic ,thanks for sharing
Btw please could you do more hawk clips .
Regards
Dave from Scotland
hey Dave from Scotland! Sorry for the late reply, I've been away. I do plan on doing more hawk stuff for sure!
@@cgaviator
Many thanks 😊
Regards
Dave
Excellent - thoroughly enjoyed. I don't know if it was prompted by my engine failure question under your PC21 nav ex video but I'd like to think so!
Maybe subliminally lol!
Lovely skill!
Thank you kindly! 👍🏻
Brilliant video Chris of your professional flying skills being both an education and inspiration to an amateur flight simmer like yours truly. Will you be demonstrating a similar Forced Practice Landing (FPL) in the JustFlight Hawk T1 any time soon ?
😉 th-cam.com/video/Ob9Ivq6eQzQ/w-d-xo.html
Same process through cloud however it’s a darn sight trickier and I’d have to review the procedure, I don’t think it would be possible with a cloud base lower than 3000ft. I may try a 1-in-1 straight in though 👍🏻
@@cgaviator thanks a lot !
BTW can you explain what you mean by thee terms High Key and Low Key ?
Excellent, and the graphics are crazy 😳
I know right!? That’s why I included the credit roll at the end, so many amazing views and not enough time to show them.
@@cgaviator very much at the point now where you have to look closely to see if it’s real 🤯
Good job! i fly a piper m600 turboprop , and it's so important to set condition lever to the OFF position, otherwise vertical speed is increasing so fast and speed is going down, :)
Nice! The rpm in the PC21 is automatic which is nice. And the PCL off feathers the prop as well. So simple!
Beautiful 👌🙏, explained perfectly for a layman pilot like myself to understandwith ease. Great video 👍
Thanks 🙏🏻 I could talk for hours on the detail but figured start out simple
Thanks Chris very interesting video. I'm surprised that some bright spark out there hasn't produced an add on where you can eject .
Lol, there would be aircraft scattered everywhere! 😂 You can jettison the canopy in the Griffin addon but that’s the closest I’ve come!
@cgaviator if you undo the canopy with the FI P-38 it rapidly disappears into the sunset.
@@julianhall2008 very good aeroplane that!
Love your content, a comment for the algorithm.
Glad to hear it, thanks 👍🏻
Great video series✅✈️🛫🛬
Thanks 👍🏻
Great instructions. Having lived in Fort George 20+ years ago that's familiar ground. How about forced landing onto an unprepared surface in say the Grob Tutor? Great channel, keep it up!
Been a while since I’ve done that! Was always about the initial panic of finding the right field! 😅
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure!
Interesting runway (and disused runway) layout instead of the traditional triangular layout of WW2 airfields. Also on finals it looks like the main runway used to be a fair bit longer than it is today.
Yes, I noticed some baked in aircraft textures in a field which was unusual!
I saw a plane overlaid in a field just after the custom cameras message. I guess that is one of those aerial photos that sneaks into the overlay. Very interesting demo. Thanks.
@@EdgcumbePhoto my pleasure!
There's a number of that shape of field around - the A-shape was for bomber fields, iirc ( which is why most of the south-east ones are that shape ), Inverness was a training field.
love the new editing style man! The PC-21 is awesome im torn whether i should get the hawk or the PC-21
Tough choice! Both of the aircraft suffer from slightly off flight by dynamics at the moment. Updates I’m sure in future. But I think it’s down to your preferred style of flying. Aeros in the PC21 or high speed in the hawk! Though the PC21 is nice for a gentle cruise at low level.
@@cgaviator ah interesting, tough choice indeed. So as a former air force pilot which aircraft would you say is the most real-to-life at the moment? Flight dynamics wise.
@@Ray33416 hmmm… the PC21 is much easier to fly. Trim is easy so it’s simple to fly. The hawk won’t fly level for more than a moment. Fine at low level but if you’re cruising without autopilot it is tricky. The PC21 has little to no rudder authority whereas the Hawk has too much and a tendency to wobble or crazy roll! I’m not sure any of that helped! 😂
Nicely done! Really appreciate these types of videos from you :)
Thank you! Absolutely my pleasure
I never flown a PC21 but seems she is brick !
In real life I practiced many times no engine landing in Lugano (CH) with a PC7 but it was much more manageable.
Seems the guys at Pilatus looked for maximum speed and agility for PC21, so they reduced wings area at minimum.
I’m used to extract flaps only when I’m sure to reach the threshold, not on base.
Nice video
Thanks 🙏🏻
Nicely done! Just wondered, what joystick and hotas do you use?
Should be at the link in description 👍🏻 But Thrustmaster Warthog
Great stuff !
Thanks Norcat, appreciate it 👍🏻
Excellent video, as always. And you have a strangely reassuring voice as you narrate!
You mention this model has more drag than you remember in the real thing. Is it possible this is due to inertia not being modelled in MSFS? This has been brought up in a number of forum posts, and the more I think about it, the more it explains some of the quirks of MSFS' flight dynamics.
Oh, maybe! My only reference point however is the Tucano which is lighter I think and slightly bigger wings. But you make a good point about inertia! That would also explain how the aircraft are soooo twitchy in pitch! Thanks 👍🏻
Devs seem to be able to set base straight-line drag up ok - I complain a *lot* about lack of inertia in rotation & translation though, and I'm a little convinced some of that is just because the force scaling involved is too high, which effectively makes the input mass has into the result lower. The PC-21 is a bit egregious in that area. They could also just have set the thing up as a brick :)
I've been having little luck in actually feathering props ( as opposed to having props *look* feathered ) in recent SUs - you can put them in & out of feather with no trim change - but the PC-21 is set up as a jet, so that shouldn't matter.
great vid, loving the content always informative and easy to watch. Thanks
My pleasure, thanks for watching 👍🏻
Nicely done. I’d actually like to see the performance math done across a variety of platforms. It’s not boring and I’d like to see how it works out in say a C-17.
Much higher high key I would imagine! 😆 But that could be worth a go! Different aircraft glides. Of course, may not be authentic based on modelling and system depth
The basic principal works. High key in a fast jet or big heavy airliner is circa 10000’ or 1500’ in a slippery GA aircraft, then you play the drag with gear, flaps and air brakes. May get away with 5000’ in a light a320 for example (tested from 10000’ and had to configure early and sideslip). Key principle is stabilise at glide speed, fly a predictable pattern and monitor the sight line angle ( exactly as Chris does, good work!).
@@Joegoesflying amazing, is this conceptual or has it been tested in an actual airliner?
@@cgaviator a "real" sim during type rating. Surprisingly effective techniques, it was nice to find out they transferred so effectively!
@@Joegoesflying awesome! I know what I’ll be trying soon! 😂
Class act
Thank you 👍🏻
Nice , would you please do a FMS tutorial for this plane one day ? Thank you !
Maybe, won’t be for a while though.
@@cgaviator is it fully functional ? 🤔
@@calinutza33 not sure, I don’t often use them.
Very nice
Thanks
Class!
@@Aidan-l5w thanks 🙏🏻
After flying the Iris PC-21 what are your thoughts on it? I've been thinking about getting it for some time but haven't pulled the trigger on anything new for MSFS and this, the Vision Jet, and HPG's H145 are a few of the aircraft I am considering.
H145… yes! PC-21 is nicely done. Watch my Swiss army plane video for a detailed look see. The rudder isn’t effective enough and it doesn’t use CFD flight dynamics. But overall it’s a joy to fly
Does the ejection seat work? I'm looking at purchasing
The seat won’t exit the vehicle if that’s what you mean. I think the pins work from what I remember.
@cgaviator ok thx I'm still going to purchase this aircraft I live near raaf base east sale (ymes) and this is where they are based. can u do a video from their
@@hunterfrancis118 sadly I’m taking a pause from content at the moment
I'm not understanding. Isn't it always better to leave as much time as possible for the glide in order to give yourself max prep time? You put it into a dive deliberately, no?
Is one technique sure. But orbiting is more suited to a VMC descent. You’d have to time the orbits very well indeed so that you arrive at high key (100ft below cloudbase) on speed and roughly aligned. With excess speed (though this had more drag than expecting, you have other options. But at least there’s time with the ground in sight to make decision. Hope that explains it a bit?
Question: If you're flying the mach loop in a Hawk at 420 kts and suffer a complete engine failure, is it possible to make it to the nearest airfield?
No, IDLE, Cutoff, IDLE, Relight button, zoom climb, hope it restarts! 😅
@@cgaviator Damn, I was hoping it was possible to get to Llanbedr if you're at a favourable part of the loop.
@@Hohum37 I’m not sure we ever briefed to use it and in an engine failure you’d probably not stop in time. The handle probably the better option
@@Hohum37 no part of the loop is favourable for engine failure situations unless you are many thousands of feet above it rather than in it, as the whole point is you are low level flying, and Llanbedr is between 13 and 20 miles away depending on where you are in the loop, so unless there was an airfield with a runway of enough length in the valley itself at the right spot you are done for the day. 😁
Its a shame the UFCP isnt accurate
Only to those who know! 😅
Nice videos@@cgaviator. It's a pretty awesome aircraft to fly for real. The module does a great job.
"Once my landing is assured......."
I hate to brake it to ya CG, but Newton will tell you that you're landing was assured from the moment your wheels left the tarmac. The only thing you have any say in is when and where.
😂 guess it depends on what you call a landing! 😜
@@cgaviator Haha, true.