Some thoughts...my parking sensors quite often have to “learn” positioning again and request that I drive the car to reset them..it always does so in seconds. Also a raindrop on the parking sensor will cause an alert until it shakes or blows off. I also get “unavailable” messages for things like the Forward Alert but that can simply be dust or spray on the camera lens. Whilst they raise a concern, they always correct. Those connectors that JLR a use just do not look waterproof enough for wading and being submerged...I just would like an elasticated sleeve over them as added protection..smooth and waterproof but the basic connector shape must attract mid and damp very quickly. Only thoughts Simon...no doubt you are well ahead with all that though.🧐🧐😃😃😃Richard
Same here, l like the look of the Defender 90 Commercial but will give it at least a year before taking the plunge as l am looking to keep the vehicle for a number of years.
In the Wabco abs units used in Landrovers the shuttle values start corroding and produce an out of range ohm reading so the bcu/ecu would throw the “three amigos”. To avoid the cost of replacing the shuttle value a simple rewiring loop was devised. But more to the point terminal corrosion and bad earth were the cause of many annoying faults.
It's a shame they market it as an ultimate off-road vehicle, like LR have built their name on, goes thru a puddle and it screws stuff up. I love my Disco 4, hate how anxious it makes me feel, when I leave the tarmac!
LR lost their way years ago, I have a d4, my nightmare scenario, 400km from the nearest house and something stuffs up I had a 1957 series one. a 2a, 3, td5, which was good and now the D4
Do you get the red line if you leave the passenger door open because in the picture with the red line show it also shows the door to be open? And the door mirror camera to be missing/not working
The wiring harness/connector looks like something from the 1970’s and certainly not what I would have fitted to than vulnerable area of a vehicle. No wonder JLR are still having so many electrical issues.
To be fair i am not sure its 100% Land Rovers fault as i had removed that connector to fit the winch etc... but the design location of the connector is questionable.
I know somebody who is a sales manager for a JLR dealership and he says it is the most embarrassing job he has ever done . How do you sell top of the range vehicles £60k plus and subsequently try to placate owners who cannot understand why they have so many warranty issues .
Hi Simon. Who in there right mind would put electrical connectors away down low like that when they know fine well people will take there 4wd through deep water as you know water and electrics don't get on too well. Connector should have been higher up on car.
I guess if you go wading 1M deep then most of the electrics are going to get wet but that connector seems to be very low and in a mud trap area. Again it may have been an assembly mistake by me but it seemed ok.
Wasn't this touted as almost military build grade at launch? I've seen military connectors and they don't look like that! Plastic crap. I suppose they gambled on how few people would actually ever leave the tarmac.
@@L663 silicone plumbers grease is brilliant on exposed connectors, it's inert and will stand very high temps, it's also great at lubing plastic parts as it won't attack plastic, small tub from local merchants lasts for ages, use it on any connector.
These vehicles are unfit for (the intended) use, they will be a nightmare for regular users. I hope LR are watching...they should be paying you as a test-bed scenario imo.
Apple and other computer/software manufacturers pay bounties to people who find security holes and the like. Perhaps JLR should pay Simon each time he finds a fault? He'd be a millionaire by now (almost).
I was only wondering about the Wading sensors, interesting that the parking sensors have started working after your cleaning, I don’t believe in coincidences!! But that’s a bit of a coincidence 😬
The front loom was the front parking sensor loom - i was hoping this would fix the front parking sensor ( it did ! ) and then the wade sensors would work as maybe the front sensor fault has thrown the system out but that is not the case !
@@L663 hopefully it’ll be something as simple as the front sensors so, You’re R&D is fantastic and I have given your details to a good number of my friends with LRs to get upgraded parts 👍 again hopefully the new tax etc from uk to Ireland won’t be too hard 🙏
@@L663 most definitely, but I recon it will settle down and a system developed to allow for cross broader trade for the UK, as it is a major consumer and producer of goods. I came across this video th-cam.com/video/wetdTsck_vo/w-d-xo.html and I recon your electrics would have a major heart attack 😃. Keep up the great work and videos. Big fan
I did my years in corporate land as an engineer / engineering manager with companies like IBM and SONY....had a great time and travelled and worked all over the world... but i never really felt at home in a shirt and tie.... maybe i should do a video about the life of an engineer...
Just got my car back from having a couple parts rhino lined and got this same red line error. I tried unclicking and reclicking this connector and the one on the back bumper and it didnt fix it. Any other tips for the red line?
OK interesting. A few things to check - 1) do your cameras work ? 2) Are your parking sensors clean - make they have not been painted over etc 3) You can touch your parking sensors when activated ( in gear stationary ) and you should be able to feel the tip of your finger pulsing. 4) have you taken it for a drive - this sometimes clears any faults. Let me know how you get on..
@@L663 thanks ill try all this out... 1. The cameras do work. 2. They are not painted over, though I know you put vinyl stickers over them. Interesting paint would block them. I will check to make sure they look clean. I’ll try 3/4 today. When you cleaned the contacts how did you do that? Iso Propel alcohol or?
I dont think that its water ingress into the parking sensor - the loom connection seemed to be the problem on the parking sensors but need to look at the wade sensors in more details
These new vehicle are going to become an absolute nightmare as they get older, the amount of videos I’ve watched with electrical faults within weeks of ownership, in my opinion, electrics and water just don’t mix!
To be honest companies don't really care how these are 10 years later. Its been sold and the money has been made. Their most important client is the first one
@@L663 I was talking more about the 83 ECUs they have and all the clever modules and miles of wiring, that I think will be a big problem in years to come! I can’t see many of these becoming a classic like a series Land Rover, they just won’t last the time!
@@L663 The Electronics, are pretty new still since its a new model. Sure some of the older tech was passed on, but Its going to take LR a year and lots of software updates to get all the bugs sorted out, its like this with most new vehicles.
Some thoughts...my parking sensors quite often have to “learn” positioning again and request that I drive the car to reset them..it always does so in seconds. Also a raindrop on the parking sensor will cause an alert until it shakes or blows off. I also get “unavailable” messages for things like the Forward Alert but that can simply be dust or spray on the camera lens. Whilst they raise a concern, they always correct. Those connectors that JLR a use just do not look waterproof enough for wading and being submerged...I just would like an elasticated sleeve over them as added protection..smooth and waterproof but the basic connector shape must attract mid and damp very quickly. Only thoughts Simon...no doubt you are well ahead with all that though.🧐🧐😃😃😃Richard
I love the 90 but I’ll definitely be waiting a couple of years until the issues are ironed out & an update-is done 🤷♂️
Same here, l like the look of the Defender 90 Commercial but will give it at least a year before taking the plunge as l am looking to keep the vehicle for a number of years.
In the Wabco abs units used in Landrovers the shuttle values start corroding and produce an out of range ohm reading so the bcu/ecu would throw the “three amigos”. To avoid the cost of replacing the shuttle value a simple rewiring loop was devised. But more to the point terminal corrosion and bad earth were the cause of many annoying faults.
It's a shame they market it as an ultimate off-road vehicle, like LR have built their name on, goes thru a puddle and it screws stuff up. I love my Disco 4, hate how anxious it makes me feel, when I leave the tarmac!
LR lost their way years ago, I have a d4, my nightmare scenario, 400km from the nearest house and something stuffs up
I had a 1957 series one. a 2a, 3, td5, which was good and now the D4
Do you get the red line if you leave the passenger door open because in the picture with the red line show it also shows the door to be open? And the door mirror camera to be missing/not working
The wiring harness/connector looks like something from the 1970’s and certainly not what I would have fitted to than vulnerable area of a vehicle. No wonder JLR are still having so many electrical issues.
What a sad indictment of Land Rover quality.
To be fair i am not sure its 100% Land Rovers fault as i had removed that connector to fit the winch etc... but the design location of the connector is questionable.
I know somebody who is a sales manager for a JLR dealership and he says it is the most embarrassing job he has ever done . How do you sell top of the range vehicles £60k plus and subsequently try to placate owners who cannot understand why they have so many warranty issues .
@@L663 l have a wading sensor, it's called the girlfriend, if she disappears from view it is too deep!!!
Yikes... so many electrical modules!
Would you even consider taking a 20 year old new defender with 200k on the clock across Africa? Doing same with my land cruiser no worries.
Only 200K its just a puppy my Disco 4 has more miles !
Hi Simon. Who in there right mind would put electrical connectors away down low like that when they know fine well people will take there 4wd through deep water as you know water and electrics don't get on too well. Connector should have been higher up on car.
I guess if you go wading 1M deep then most of the electrics are going to get wet but that connector seems to be very low and in a mud trap area. Again it may have been an assembly mistake by me but it seemed ok.
@@L663 These are the components (electrical) where i use ACF50 on the motorcycle
Wasn't this touted as almost military build grade at launch? I've seen military connectors and they don't look like that! Plastic crap. I suppose they gambled on how few people would actually ever leave the tarmac.
@@L663 silicone plumbers grease is brilliant on exposed connectors, it's inert and will stand very high temps, it's also great at lubing plastic parts as it won't attack plastic, small tub from local merchants lasts for ages, use it on any connector.
Great fault finding techniques, that wing mirror looks very expensive if it gets clipped.
Yes i was thinking that ! camera + light + powerfold + dimming heated mirror glass etc
What sort of Contact Cleaner do you use?
Do you guys sell the separate Parking Sensor for the defender by any chance?
Which one do you need ? front / rear etc I will look up the PN and price for you
You should think about open a repair garage for LR. Plenty money to be made.
Already operating a product development service they should be paid for
They would be working 24X7/week with no rest days and 3 shifts /day especially if they offered a fitting service
@@DH-sm7sw they could start to be a certified LR garage for winch install.
These vehicles are unfit for (the intended) use, they will be a nightmare for regular users. I hope LR are watching...they should be paying you as a test-bed scenario imo.
Apple and other computer/software manufacturers pay bounties to people who find security holes and the like. Perhaps JLR should pay Simon each time he finds a fault? He'd be a millionaire by now (almost).
I was only wondering about the Wading sensors, interesting that the parking sensors have started working after your cleaning, I don’t believe in coincidences!! But that’s a bit of a coincidence 😬
The front loom was the front parking sensor loom - i was hoping this would fix the front parking sensor ( it did ! ) and then the wade sensors would work as maybe the front sensor fault has thrown the system out but that is not the case !
@@L663 hopefully it’ll be something as simple as the front sensors so, You’re R&D is fantastic and I have given your details to a good number of my friends with LRs to get upgraded parts 👍 again hopefully the new tax etc from uk to Ireland won’t be too hard 🙏
@@alhit007 Ireland is looking like an attractive place to have a business like ours right now !
@@L663 most definitely, but I recon it will settle down and a system developed to allow for cross broader trade for the UK, as it is a major consumer and producer of goods. I came across this video th-cam.com/video/wetdTsck_vo/w-d-xo.html and I recon your electrics would have a major heart attack 😃. Keep up the great work and videos. Big fan
You should be a r&d engineer for landrover simon
I did my years in corporate land as an engineer / engineering manager with companies like IBM and SONY....had a great time and travelled and worked all over the world... but i never really felt at home in a shirt and tie.... maybe i should do a video about the life of an engineer...
What a silly place to put a electric junction when you're wading though water also sensors not designed to be in water.
Try unplugging and re plugging the wade sensors, see if that works as a reset.
I did that and i tried replacing each of the wade sensors in turn... the car is showing no fault codes either so that is even harder !
Hi 🙋♂️ what about your IID tool to check fault.
Thanks 🙏
The IID tool does not work on the newer cars - they are based on IP ( internet protocol ) and need a different system.
@@L663 thanks 🙏
Just got my car back from having a couple parts rhino lined and got this same red line error. I tried unclicking and reclicking this connector and the one on the back bumper and it didnt fix it. Any other tips for the red line?
OK interesting.
A few things to check -
1) do your cameras work ?
2) Are your parking sensors clean - make they have not been painted over etc
3) You can touch your parking sensors when activated ( in gear stationary ) and you should be able to feel the tip of your finger pulsing.
4) have you taken it for a drive - this sometimes clears any faults.
Let me know how you get on..
@@L663 thanks ill try all this out...
1. The cameras do work.
2. They are not painted over, though I know you put vinyl stickers over them. Interesting paint would block them. I will check to make sure they look clean.
I’ll try 3/4 today. When you cleaned the contacts how did you do that? Iso Propel alcohol or?
Also thank you in general for just always being such a huge help to LR owners!
@@nsurgents How did you get on ?
@@L663 when they put the bumper back on they had one sensor connected backwards and one disconnected... :( So now it is all sorted. Thanks
My defender had a wade sensor I left a bolt out of the floor plate !
Is there a way to water proof the parking sensor?
They are already. They are lower then the wading depth
I dont think that its water ingress into the parking sensor - the loom connection seemed to be the problem on the parking sensors but need to look at the wade sensors in more details
Please do the improvements video
These new vehicle are going to become an absolute nightmare as they get older, the amount of videos I’ve watched with electrical faults within weeks of ownership, in my opinion, electrics and water just don’t mix!
To be honest companies don't really care how these are 10 years later. Its been sold and the money has been made. Their most important client is the first one
The electrics here should be well proven - the issue may be the location of the PDC connector.
@@L663 I was talking more about the 83 ECUs they have and all the clever modules and miles of wiring, that I think will be a big problem in years to come!
I can’t see many of these becoming a classic like a series Land Rover, they just won’t last the time!
@@L663 The Electronics, are pretty new still since its a new model. Sure some of the older tech was passed on, but Its going to take LR a year and lots of software updates to get all the bugs sorted out, its like this with most new vehicles.
Why are you fixing this your self?
The dealer cant fit me in till Feb ! and also i am interested why it failed.
@@L663 not good service then.
@@kingquadking6075 Well it is a pandemic and i am not off the road so its fair enough... although it does give me time to investigate !
Bet they are open for sales of vehicles
@@kingquadking6075 Only online, but who's going to buy a car if you can't see one in person and test drive it first?
Just as well you know someone high up in Land Rover, joe blogs when be told your warranty is null & void.
Land Rover have been pretty supportive to date..
@@L663 yes to you because of TH-cam & who you know. If anyone else had taken the car apart the way you guys do they would be shown the door.
@@scotiajinker8392 not true at all, they actually are very good to their customers. Some dealers, not too friendly though lol
For goodness sake take the bloody heap back to land rover and tell them to keep it.