In today’s video I sit down with Cam, a student at UC Irvine. We discuss how much he loves animal products and also how his Southern family would laugh at this video if they ever saw it. He gives me 15 minutes to convince him - how do you think it went? If you find my work at universities valuable, you can become a regular supporter or make a one-off contribution through the following links (thank you so much): earthlinged.org/support & patreon.com/earthlinged
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are you aware that NLP is no longer hip, not since they invented google. that's why your claim that meat consumption is only for enjoyment seems kind of - hollow
@@v.a.n.e. Over human greed !!! 55% methene 🤯🐄💨🔴🥩🦠😫.. 5 minute burger etc !!! Time-Iapse pig carcasses. 5-10 days in your stomach puutrefying 🤮. Deodorant mask the symptoms but you still smell bad in your feet and shoes and socks 🔴🍖🦠🧟♂️🥾🦶🧦, 🧟♂️💩🚽🤮🤮🤮. No Fibre. PH 4, hard arteries.. th-cam.com/video/VvSZTmWRvXY/w-d-xo.html .. Vegans they don’t smell, because lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentiIs beans and potatoes etc. Lots of fibre !! PH 7-10. Smooth arteries. ToiIet ✅❤️💩🚽😉 neutral. And you get bigger and stronger and fitter when you go plant based. No fat deposits because fat deposits is animals and cheese and fish etc. Herbivores like gorillas and bonobos and Orangutans, no plaque because plaque is eating corpses 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴... Hard arteries. No fibre !! We are herbivores. Like bonobos and orangutans and gorillas. Ape family. They are herbivores like humans. We act like ‘Omnivores’, and get heart attack and cancer and high blood pressure and strokes no fibre and fat deposits clog your arteries !!!! 51% death rate !!!! Vegans have 4% cancer. And Gorillas they have 1% cancer in the wild 😜. And they don’t eat meat, and they are huge, 97.6% the same as us !!! Fibre is plants and fruit and nuts and berries and sweet potato 🍠 and lentils and beans and rice and oats etc. Peer reviewed scientific fact !! Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural, 🦠 (hint hint🥖🍞B12). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!. Nori sheets B12 46% 1 piece......
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"...I'm not going to lie..." - My wife and I DID go vegan over night. We had a discussion much like this one in our 50's and decided we had taken the wrong path. The remedy? Change our path. We have never looked back and now are both vegan.
I had this similar mindset. As a Mexican, eating meat was a large part of our cultural dishes. I never thought I would go vegan but I’ve managed it for years. People won’t connect the dots unless they actually want to.
I hear that! The reason I ate as much animal product as a did for years was tradition and social. I wish we had close vegan friends but luckily I always find something to eat or I prepare something for others to show how good & satisfying plant-based meals can be.
Also for people in Mexico and throughout Central and South America where the diet is very heavy with beef and dairy, these are direct products of colonialism. There are some really interesting folks that are doing pre-colonial foods, there was a Vice episode I saw about plant-based Mexican food and some of the ideas there. Definitely check it out. But I would say that over time, everyone’s diets became more meat and dairy-fied lol with some exceptions like Inuits and such.
@@scerb100 as people progressively got better off, meat which was for novelty was made available to middle class. Henceforth the increase in consumption.
I don't think he was more open minded, I believe he just wasn't as argumentive... but I felt he had no empathy for animals. Plus it's such an insult to think those animals are dumb and stupid. I have rescued hens and roosters. They are even smarter than dogs and cats. They are like little humans, full of emotions, very vocal (a varied language) and capable of taking decisions and creating drama lol. I saw it all the time! Pretty awesome beings. I am so blessed to have had them in my life!
@@v.a.n.e. I mean almost everyone I know and basically all my friends are lol. I just don’t have the energy to debate them and listen to their mental gymnastics like Ed does
@@laurab3876 I agree. he represents most people I know. “Yeah… i get why youre vegan, animals and stuff, but, you know, bacon taste good so shut your mouth”. it’s hard trying to convince those with less empathy than you to empathize like you. Possible, but hard.
i became vegan this week because of your channel! edit: im allergic to wheat so if anyone knows any good vegan/gluten free channels, pages, websites etc, please let me know! edit 2: still going strong!!!
I’m so sick of the protein “argument”. Whenever anyone asks me where I get my protein from, I simply ask them how much protein do I need? And they themselves don’t know the answer.
I would guess this guy needs around 120 g of Protein max. He is not very tall, trained, but not overtrained (you could see it at his legs and arms). Even without shakes, etc it's easy to maintain this amount of protein intake on a vegan diet. He shouldn't worry.
I love how you say 'have a great life' at the end because it's sort of a subtle reminder that they get to enjoy their life but the animals they eat do not.
@@rondarkman. you do? Bc you’ve left 468 troll/hate comments on this channel bc spreading negativity makes you feel better somehow. What a great fulfilling life you must have….
@@stoplisteningtothestatic7078 Where's the hate? I love animals because someone doesn't agree with you prin doesn't mean it's a troll. Now put your big boy pants on and suck it up
"As a society it's hard to change" Yes but *you* are not a society. You're a person. And it's easy for people to change. You might not _want_ to change, but if you do, it's not actually hard. You just do it.
It is interesting isn’t it how people seek the shelter of the herd (society) rather than accept personal responsibility. That’s why a movement needs a tipping point. If we ever got to a point where most people under age 30 (us older ones can be a lot more resistant to change) were vegan the protection of the herd would no longer exist and individuals would necessarily have to own their choice to consume animals.
@@robsengahay5614 well it's pretty hard. For a large population of under 30 individuals to be largely vegan is for what I see an insurmountable wall but if it ever happens then it'll become like racism. You can't blame peer pressure anymore
@@alexhardy4559 Given how long it took for most societies to realise human slavery was immoral, that universal suffrage was necessary, and that homosexuality shouldn’t be illegal then, sadly, I think it will be a long time changing. Possibly sometime next century in my estimation.
@@robsengahay5614 the things you mentioned was inequality between objectively equals. A white man realising he isn't superior to a black man was hard but in the end, a human realising he isn't superior to another human is a lot easier process and men realising women are just as good is even easier. But a person realising their cow or pig also has rights is totally different ballgame. Like they can't speak so they can't protest no. I think not even next century. It'll countinue as long as the current world doesn't collapse.
@@alexhardy4559 Yes, except the bar isn’t that high. Non-human animals bred for slaughter don’t need equal rights to humans. They simply need the same rights that humans already grant to many other species.
Many people don´t really know ¨their¨ culture. Cows, milk, Chicken and pigs are not indigenous to many lands but you see it in their so called cultural dishes. They look up what the food was in their original culture and most barely have any meat at all. That´s why 68% of people worldwide are lactose intolerant yet cheese and milk products are part of how many cultures?
@@oddballjake229 - Well when in your culture where 7 out of ten people are sloppy fat and the number one cause of death is heart disease because you are all addicted to eating dead animals....yeah, I'll choose something else.
1) Acknowledges what they’re doing is bad from the animals perspective 2) Knows theres also environmental and health benefits 3) Says they aren’t going to change but it made them think This is the most common thing I experience in outreach. It can feel like a grind but every nudge helps.
Yes I know what you mean it can be frustrating but I would still have more hope that someone like that will change than someone that keeps making excuses all the time
There's many health benefits to a well balanced diet, and you don't have to always buy pre pack rubbish from supermarkets, your points are rather flawed
Weaknesses are inevitable but that doesn't mean you have to embrace them. Just don't feel guilty if you did your best and slipped up. Pick yourself up and go again.
It's also a condition of apathy, which is prevalent nowadays. A lot of people are chemically dumbed down almost to the point of stupor, and others are just totally self-absorbed narcissists.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Besides drugs, mindless scrolling on social media sites can be addictive, and a massive waste of time. What am I doing here? If you are selective, there is some great content, and it can be an effective way to advocate for veganism.
@@pennymac16 Oh the good old B12 bullshit that carnivore assholes like to throw around. Here is the deal you stupid clowns, I dont take any supplements and my vitamin levels are all good.
I’m on my way home from a family gathering where I’m the only vegan. It can be so tough socially sometimes. I don’t care, I’m never going to stop being a vegan. But Ed your videos help so much. Your work is so amazing and so respected. I truly believe you are divinely guided and I thank the universe for you. #veganjesus
Here’s my biggest problem with veganism, it’s not a choice. It’s a requirement by you guys, you feel like a victim because people do something different well your not a victim this is your choice no one else’s. Stop saying who are evil or bad or wrong if they don’t subscribe to your opinion
@@treysonbates6110 Yes we are not victims (or at least no more than most of all other people) of non-vegans but there are victims. The main victims are the exploited and killed animals. To a much smaller degree, those slaughterhouse workers that have little choice of other jobs, who are suffering from mental trauma that also affect people close to them could be considered victims. Finally natural environment degradation and climate change that the animal farming industry is one of the main contributors to have many victims both human and not. So there are definitely victims. We can’t just fully accept a personal choice that does so much harm. Believing in animal rights is similar to believing in human rights, you think they should be respected by everyone.
One of the hardest things in this world is to walk the path of a true human being. It may be lonely sometimes. But, it's true and noble. And I will take that a thousand times over acceptance.
You don’t have to embarrass your family publicly for the selfish choices they make, speak with them when you have a chance to when you are alone with them individually. This will help avoid the “tough” social situations. My point is they are the ones who should be embarrassed.
@@treysonbates6110In my experience it’s everyone else who has a problem with ME being Vegan. I don’t tell people I am, I don’t talk about it, I don’t say anything about THEM eating meat. But if they happen to find out I am a vegan, they’re the ones who have a problem and make me uncomfortable
I just love the way Ed handles these interviews.. So kind, articulate and he diffuses any comment that could rile even the most peaceful of ppl. I study him often to help with my own personal confrontations with non vegans. Thank you Ed, you'll be remembered as one of the original if not the original pioneers of animal advocates 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️
This was not one of his best, I don't think, but the guy had his mind made up. Ed kept trying to convince him that he had empathy and was a good person, which won't work when someone believes animals are stupid. He should have gone for the repulsion factor, like telling him to envision the steak with maggots wriggling out of it, that it's a rotting bloody corpse. Let that image stick in his apathetic mind.
@@CoolRandomJunkForYou Unfortunately a lot of these newer vegans have never heard of Gary Yourofsky, or Gary Francione, for that matter, or Will Tuttle, or dozens of others.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Lol what's with the 'rotting' stuff? Do you think people are leaving their steaks on hot car dashboards for weeks? Eggplants and apples rot, should I refer to them as 'rotting apples' and 'rotting eggplants'? Maybe write a Rob Zombie fan-fiction script instead and come up with some better persuasion techniques.
You don't actually need an argument, but the reason I won't go vegan is because long term data for born vegans is very limited if at all and until that is rectified I won't be considering veganism
The poorest countries eat mostly plantbased. Its way more expensive to raise an animal. Eating animal products has always been a Luxary as in more expensive. The cheapest foods in the supermarketare plantbased. The cheapest meal on most menus is always the veggie option.
Which poorest countries ? Many of those poorest countries have barren or inhospitable lands unsuitable for large scale agriculture. So most people are cattle herders. In central Asia, in many sub Saharan countries, in South America, Pacific Islands. What you are describing are tropical or subtropical countries with large arable land such as India or Bangladesh. In those kinda countries veg options are so cheap. But if you come to a country like Kazakhstan, of Somalia or Swaziland, it's the opposite. Chicken and beef and lamb is hella cheap
@@Empathy4Animals411 Ed realised most people couldn't care less about an animal dying. To them even before the slaughterhouse they appear as 800 kilos of beef
Loved how you held him accountable when he mentioned "well I'm just heartless". In my conversations and outreach i always try to emphasize the point that vegans aren't especially empathetic to animals - after all, who isn't against animal abuse?
He's in California, in college, how is he so disconnected still? It's so obvious and easy to be vegan in Irvine, CA! Every single place either is vegan or has plant based options.
I love Cam's willingness to respectfully put it all out there. I heard every argument! Religion, culture, fitness morality, habit, etc. - This video is a great, all-in-one summary of how to talk with a non-vegan about all the main issues.
I feel like this guy is aware, to the extent that he understands the disconnect. I hear people saying it's about choice. Of course, we're not obligate omnivores. However, if children are educated on where their food comes from (the whole process) they will not have a disconnect by blindly following, and they will be allowed the opportunity to make informed choices. When I was around 13 years old, my mother brought home a live chicken and asked me to kill it for her to cook it. I attempted to do it, but could not feel any feelings in my hand, and could not look at the chicken. Realizing I couldn't do it, my mother asked my brother, who was younger than me. He couldn't do it, neither could my mother. A neighbour eventually did, and my mother cooked it. But, although I was very hungry, I never touched the food. I went without food the whole day. I remember seeing pigs, ducks and chickens being killed when I was a child, and I still remember each and every one of them. I always knew that it wasn't right, but always dismissed what my heart said in favour of tradition. Thankfully, as I learned more about veganism, the light went on over my head. I think I needed confirmation that what I felt in my heart was real, and was therefore able to connect with my actions.
Some people are capable of killing, some people aren't. You can't change that. The killers rule the world for that exact reason - you aren't capable of killing like they are and are easily manipulated i.e. you are the prey who needs other killers to protect you. Don't force your values onto others
@@SmartDumbNerdyCool The biggest and strongest land creatures are not predators, but they will and do kill to protect themselves. If you like killing just for the sake of killing because you are a killer, then you are a psychopath. Psychopaths don't care about anyone except themselves. Why would you be on a vegan channel reading comments and complaining about values being forced on you? You're the one forcing your psychopathic, narcissistic beliefs. Now, move on.
@@rainedyani8505 Yeah I'm saying Veganism is nothing but an agenda/movement pushed by the elites, not based on the true nature of reality (i.e. suffering), and have yet to see a single vegan who isn't completely soft on the inside like a marshmellow. It appears certain people gravitate towards veganism, similar to the tree-hugging, peace 'n' love 'hipsters' from back in the 60's except with a new twist, with no drugs involved or spiritually, essentially Atheism masquarading as animal activism. Now that's en-"lighten"-ment for ya.
What made me become vegetarian was when I finally realized what I was eating. I always knew a steak was a part of a cow, but I wasn’t fully aware. However, the day when every time I took a bite out of a steak, I realized that it was flesh, like mine, and I saw images of them being killed and tortured with every bite I took, that was more than enough to take the good taste off my mouth permanently! It would be like having this great dinner that tastes great. Then asking the cook, “What did you do to make it taste soooo good? This dinner was delicious!” Then he tells you he used some of his boogers and phlegm to give it that amazing, oh so good taste! After hearing this, you probably would vomit because you know now what it actually is. Even if he tells you the cooking destroys all bacteria that may be in it. We also must stress out that taste buds adapt to new food. I don’t miss great taste in my life at all. I enjoy food as much as ever! Veganism was not a sacrifice, at all. This is something that must be told! It is just like when I was a kid, I hated avocados. Today, I love them on rice, on California rolls, which I consider to be the best food I have ever tasted. Something happens to my tastebuds when avocado, rice, cucumbers, and sea weed combine with soy sauce. Every time I eat it, I feel angels coming to arrest me, for they don’t have it in haven.
This was it for me. I was always aware where it came from as a child, I just never thought about it and it was just normal to me, but one day it just really sunk in and I broke down crying just trying to eat a meal, I remember sitting alone feeling such an amount of guilt and having to refuse that meal. I quit meat that day and haven’t (intentionally) broken that since.
This is like a class that Ed has introduced so he could go through all the arguments that meat eaters come up with, so he could teach animal activists how to counteract these arguments. Well done Ed.
He’s written a book about that! Try checking his website, there should be a free PDF available to download with all those arguments and how to respond.
It takes only 2 weeks to change our taste buds and 1 month to change our microflora. The taste transition is really not as hard as people think. Of course if you have an emotional connection to food that will be harder, but it helps to remind yourself why you're doing it for those parts ❤️
Oh and for all those thinking vegan is expensive... anyone can eat plentifully plant based diet for $5 a day - or even less. There are plenty of video examples of this right here on Good Ol YT.
For sure! I walk by the meat section of the grocery and rejoice in the amount of money I’m NOT spending on it. Several tasty vegan meals for the price of 1 pound of animal flesh. Win -win situation.
Yep. Here in Mexico I can buy like $4 in legumes for a whole month and prepare ridiculously good dishes for $0.5. Veggies, cereals and fruit are also very affordable so all the money I don’t spend on meat, I use on vegan junk food lol
Saved thousands of dollars over the years being vegan. Grocery bills are consistently $150-300 less per month. Average about $150 per week and that’s for three people.
You never know who you're going to meet and where someone is at with their discovery of ethical veganism. Outreachers like Ed being there for them is so important! Sharing their voice and message is something powerful you can do effortlessly.
Great conversation. This is such a good example of an open-minded, civil discourse between two parties that disagree. Videos like this give me hope… thanks Ed!!
He realised really quickly that he. had no argument at all. I think there is potential there. He has more empathy than he realises and hopefully will look more into it.
Its impossible to argue virtue signalling. Virtue signaling' is the practice of using moral talk in an attempt to enhance one's moral reputation. Virtue signalling actively undermines the proper functioning of public moral discourse and impedes moral progress. An example of virtue signalling would be comparing hens to humans or equating the slaughter of a pig as murder. You just have to smile and nod and remember that vegans are the cult of virtue signalling and change nothing.
Ed was at UC Irvine! 💚 How cool to see him at my alma mater. I went there as a vegan over 20 years ago when few people knew what the word meant. Now a famous vegan activist visits there to spread the message.
I am already a vegan before knowing you and after watching all your videos even convincing me that being a vegan is one the of wisest choice that i have ever made
Yes, I haven’t met anyone willing to engage. When I was vegetarian a few people would ask if it was for health reasons. Once I said it was not they immediately lost interest in discussing it further. Now when I say vegan the only response I get is “I could never do that” and then change the subject. I did not change until I was nearly 60 yet I struggle to recall if I was ever truly ignorant of my hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
@@robsengahay5614 Hey Robsenga you could find a local activist group and start having productive conversations. For example anynymous for the voiceless. My point is that you can learn to have these conversations. Cheers
@@letransformateur6477 Thanks for the information. I just researched them and have applied to join my nearest group so I will see where that goes. I have never been an activist for anything my whole life so to do so is alien to me and scary tbh.
Its such a disconnect. It took me well over a decade of conflict eating meat, and living with a strict vegetarian(for the animals) for 4 years before It finally "clicked.". (we are both Vegan now, she helped inspire me to go Vegan and I inspired her to go all the way!
Being carnivores, dogs and cats both have a short intestine length and are predisposed to do best on diets composed of quickly digestible foodstuffs like protein. Evidence for this can be found in their highly concentrated stomach acid, which has a high amount of enzymes that break down protein, and the lower levels of enzymes that break down carbohydrates (amylases) in their intestines. Cats and dogs also don’t have many of the specific enzymes that are required to digest many complex plant proteins. While not all carbohydrates are like this (corn and rice are easily digested by both species, if processed correctly), this can mean that less-digestible high-carbohydrate diets pass through the intestines of cats and dogs too quickly for the carbohydrates to be properly broken down and absorbed, and the end result is a lot of poop and not much nutrition. All animals need some amount of fiber to maintain a healthy intestinal lining and to prevent diarrhea, but too much fiber can impair protein absorption and cause digestive upset (Case et al. 2014). Based on the short, simple intestines of dogs and especially cats, we can see that they have fast passage rates, and therefore need easily-digestible, nutrient-dense food so that their physiology can make the most of what they do eat, and meat best fulfills all of those those requirements. Obligate carnivores like cats and ferrets have a limited ability to digest carbohydrates and are instead extremely efficient at making new glucose from non-glucose materials (a process called gluconeogenesis). Humans are also capable of using the gluconeogenic cycle to get energy, but we can turn it on and off as needed because our liver is able to regulate it. For cats the gluconeogenic cycle is always on, and that causes big problems when their diet does not contain enough protein. Since the cycle is always running, a cat’s body preferentially burns protein for fuel over everything else - if they don’t get enough easily digestible protein, the body will start breaking down and digesting its own muscles for energy. A recent study found that cats fed high-carbohydrate diets were unable to stop their bodies from breaking down any available protein to create glucose, rather than shifting gears and utilizing the glucose from the carbohydrates in their food (Harmon, 2016). In extreme cases, this could mean that the cat would wind up digesting its own muscles for energy. The inability to efficiently utilize carbohydrates as sources of energy is not the only problem with grain-heavy diets for dogs and cats: there’s also the issue of essential nutrients. The concept of essential nutrients is a common one - they are nutrients the body cannot create for itself that must be acquired regularly from the diet for an animal to survive. (For instance, vitamin C is a well-known essential nutrient for humans, guinea pigs, and some bats.) These can be amino acids, which build proteins; fatty acids, which build lipids; or vitamins. Imbalances or deficiencies in any of these can make a dog or cat very ill, and many of them are very hard if not biologically impossible for carnivores to synthesize from plant-based diets.
Most mammals (including dogs) are able to process beta-carotene from plant tissue in order to get enough Vitamin A in their diet - cats, however, lack this pathway and require a dietary source of pre-processed vitamin A such as animal fat or organ meat (McNamara, 2014). Vitamin A is crucial for proper skin, fur, muscle, and nerve function, and chronic deficiency will lead to night blindness and muscle weakness. All animals need vitamin B in their diet, but cats have a unique requirement for high levels of the vitamins B3 and B6. Dogs also need B vitamins to stay healthy, but they are able to break down the amino acid tryptophan (McNamara 2014) to create a small amount if their diet doesn’t provide it. Because a cat’s digestive system burns through protein at such a high rate, their bodies don’t convert tryptophan into B3, which means they are obligated to get all their B vitamins from their diet. While B vitamins do occur naturally in many foods (Higdon et al. 2013, 2014), it is most efficiently acquired through a meat-based diet: in the wild, the high concentrations of B6 and B3 in organ meats would fulfill a cat’s daily requirements. B vitamins are water-soluble, which means cats cannot store them for later and must always have a steady supply, as the excess amounts each day are excreted in their urine. Without proper levels of B3 and B6, cats are unable to use protein to provide energy. (McNamara 2014). don’t worry only 5% of life feels pain (note this is rough estimate it most likely to be less) According to the U.S. National Research Council Committee on Recognition and Alleviation of Pain in Laboratory Animals, pain is experienced by many animal species, including mammals and possibly all vertebrates. Witch mean all invertebrates can’t feel pain and sense Vertebrates make up less than five percent of all described animal species; the rest are invertebrates, which lack vertebral columns. Witch mean 95% of life can’t feel pain also it is debated on weather all vertebrates can feel pain, also what kind of pain they feel witch will lower the amount of life that can feel “pain”. This info is based on the definition of pain “An unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with, or resembling that associated with, actual or potential tissue damage,” if your definition is “a response to outside damage” then that means all Multi cellar life can feel pain witch mean plant to. Going vegan side effects sometimes include anemia, disruptions in hormone production, vitamin B12 deficiencies, and depression from a lack of omega-3 fatty acids. That's why it's crucial to include plenty of proteins, vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, calcium, iodine, zinc, and omega-3s in your diet. -Timesofindia Vegetarians and vegans may have an increased risk of stroke The types of stroke were also analyzed, including bleeding into the brain (hemorrhagic stroke) and nonbleeding stroke (ischemic stroke). -health.harvard In the course of normal gestation plasma volume expands, producing a decrease of vitamins and minerals concentrations; however, plasma lipids and cholesterol arise. During early gestation the fat stores of mothers increase, whereas the last gestation is characterized by increased insulin resistance: these are metabolic changes essential to support fetal growth [29]. According to the 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA), pregnant women have to consume a variety of foods to maintain energy and nutrient requirements and to gain recommended amounts of weight. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes (DRIs) and Institute of Medicine (IOM), caloric necessities are no higher than the estimated energy requirement for nonpregnant women until the second trimester. The extra energy requirement per day is 340 kcal in the second trimester and 452 kcal in the third trimester (IOM), or 260 kcal and 500 kcal, respectively (according to European Food Safety Authority-EFSA) [30,31]. The Guidelines recommend practicing moderate intensity physical activity during pregnancy for benefits to both the mother and fetus [32]. All pregnant women need appropriate nutritional supplementation. Iron supplementation is essential for iron deficiency anemia during gestation [33]. Folic acid consumption of 600 mcg/day from fortified foods and dietary supplements is needed to avoid neural tube defects (NTD) [34]. In addition adequate levels of vitamin D (600 UI/day), choline (450 mg/day), and iodine (220 mcg/day) are needed for normal fetal growth and brain development [35,36,37]. During a normal pregnancy the efficiency of calcium absorption increases, so the intake of calcium is equal to a nonpregnant woman of the same age. During pregnancy and lactation, adequate calcium intake is considered to be 1000 mg/day. Women with calcium intakes less than 500 mg/day need additional amounts to achieve maternal and fetal bone requirements [38]. Supplementary Materials Table S1 shows the daily nutrients requirements of the principal macro- and micronutrients during pregnancy and lactation, as well as a comparison between the American Guidelines, IOM, EFSA, and International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) [39,40]. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine suggests that vegetarian pregnant women have to follow the recommendations for protein intake and should increase up to 25 g of protein each day to reach 1.1 g/kg/day as in pregnancy the demand of protein increases [40,41]. The recommendations are to consume daily portions of dark green vegetables (1-2 servings), other vegetables and fruits (4-5 servings), bean and soy products (3-4 servings), whole grains (six or more servings), and nuts, seeds, and wheat germ (1-2 servings). Vegetarians should include sources of protein, iron, and vitamin B-12 intake, as well as calcium and vitamin D if avoiding milk products. Charts listed in these guidelines are useful for substituting beans, tofu, nuts, eggs, and seeds for meats, and include alternative food sources for calcium if milk and dairy products are rejected [3,41]. -ncbi.nlm.nih “The rising popularity of vegan lifestyles has led some people to consider feeding vegan diets to their pets as a “cruelty-free” alternative to normal meat-based kibble. Because marketing has led people to believe that their dog or cat is able to thrive on a meatless diet, they feel comfortable imposing their ethical views about eating animal products or the agriculture industry onto their pet’s lifestyle as well. However, this is a situation in which human morality not only does not apply to animals but also ends up being dangerously inhumane when expected to be ethical. Canine and feline bodies are not built to subsist singularly on plant matter; both cats and dogs evolved to subsist on a meat-based diet - dogs as opportunistic omnivores and cats as obligate carnivores. Dogs on a vegan diet are very likely to suffer from malnourishment that will drastically affect their quality of life, while vegan-fed cats are guaranteed to be sick and risk death from malnutrition. Recent research into the evolutionary history and gastrointestinal tracts of both dogs and cats proves that it is unwise, if not outright cruel, to feed them a truly vegan diet. Pets Evolved From Obligate Carnivores
Of the two pet species, dogs fare better than cats (but not optimally) on plant-based diets due to adaptations towards omnivory during the domestication process. The domestic dog evolved from ancestors of the gray wolf some 15,000 years ago (Driscoll et al. 2009). In the wild, the gray wolf is a carnivore, deriving most of its nutrients from hunted or scavenged prey, and any vegetable matter came from the guts of their prey, or from self-medication (like how dogs will eat grass to induce vomiting). During the domestication process, dogs adapted to utilize a more omnivorous diet while scavenging around human settlements, and therefore have more flexibility regarding nutrient sources (McNamara 2014). However, their gastrointestinal tract is still primarily geared towards digesting a higher protein diet and their bodies still respond best to nutrients from animal sources. In contrast, the digestive system of domestic cats is still very similar to that of their wild counterparts. The domestication of cats mostly modified their flight distance and tolerance of human proximity, rather than radically altering their physiology as occurred with domestic canines (Driscoll et al. 2009). Without significant physiological changes during the feline domestication process, it follows logically that cats still get the most nutrition from a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that maximizes available protein sources. Visible Physical Attributes Indicate Meat Is A Primary Food Source There are multiple places in which the physiological evidence for this evolutionary predisposition to carnivory is easily visible in domestic cats and dogs. Both species have molars that are shaped to best crush bone and grind viscera. Animals with a more herbivorous diet will have differently shaped dentition: cows have flat molars to pulverize plant matter and humans have a mix of grinding and tearing teeth to allow an omnivorous diet. Cats have far fewer grinding surfaces than dogs do - their dentition is entirely geared towards shearing meat and bone (Bowen, 2006). This is even evident in regard to jaw motion, as herbivores like cows have wide, flat molars and jaw muscles that allow them to chew side to side with repetitively with ease (Orr, 2016), while carnivores like cats and dogs have a large vertical range of motion in their jaw that allows for efficient removal of a single mouthful of food without the need for chewing. “ This is from whyanimalsdothething They only people saying this is peta and there dumb while (Standard co uk) there no different, also while I was researching this clam I found that vegan kid are shorter and weaker then non vegan kids. Sources: (theconversation) & (totallyveganbuzz) Also (shutterheath org) says it not Heathy for baby’s and toddlers, and (webmd) (ncbi nlm nih gov) says that it not Heathy for for all stages of development to be vegan. In fact all Scientific date point to only adults being able to be vegan. Mice and ants are still used in test but this is the last test before humans so it has to go through a hundred more test before the get to animals test and this has lead to very few mice death. Also this is a necessary evil. If we don’t do this it ether stops helpful thing form coming out or slowing down. Source
@Treyson Bates Im a Vegan, though my cat and dog are currently not as I dont have ready access to proper vegan foods for them.. Very interesting information you supplied me (also dogs are omnivores not carnivores, which you even explained, despite calling them carnivores the same as cats) Very techy sounding, but I literally have no idea how to validate your credibility. How is it you know all this information? Are you a veterinarian or animal nutritionist? And what exactly is your point? As far as I've learned the science is beginning to show clearly that a dog can eat a (highly specialized) vegan diet, and there are a few pet food companies that have done and are doing research into it as we speak. As for cats I believe its less certain, but there is at least one study (bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8) showing that cats on a Vegan diet live just as long as cats on a meat diet(over 800 cats were in this study and like i said these pet foods are highly specialized for these animals to be able to fully absorb and utilize the nutrients) Also have you seen a gorillas teeth? Or a hippos teeth? We arent feeding our cats and dogs grass my friend... and did you know the number one oldest record setting athlete in the world at over 100 years old ran marathons in his late 80's and accounts his longevity and wellbeing to a whole-food-plant-based-diet? His name is Mike Fremont. Also have you heard of the woman named Rocky Luedeker? She ha 13 world records for weight lifting under her belt at 62 years old and is a Vegan... I mean these are just a couple examples but do you know how much disease high meat based diets cause? Its the leading cause of heart failure ( though possibly losing out to the vaccine now) I think the pros of a vegan diet on health far outweigh any cons alleged by one organization.. Do you know how many studied there are that shows how healthy a plant based diet is compared to other diets? BUUUT despite all this, i care about the animals my friend, and if i have a few percent more chance of getting a stroke by not contributing to the mass enslavement, torture, rape, and murder of animals, im okay with that.
Im willing to adapt to the necessary changes and "necessary evils" as you call it for the betterment of my children. I currently dont have any children so its a non-issue for me at the moment. Buut, over the next couple years I intend to have a child and will be doing my own extensive reading (actual research takes a lot more than just reading something and regurgitating it) on the topic of feeding our growing kids a whole-food-plant-based-diet. But considering my cousin is a strict vegetarian and doesnt eat much cheese or eggs anyway, her 2 young children seem perfectly healthy and normal for their ages and they have shared the same diet their whole lives thus far. But i will be doing a lot more searching and reading on it. Thanks for all your info I suppose.
@A.J. same with going plantbased. The difference is carnivore is cruel, unnecessary and not sustainable. We'd need 5 earths to feed everyone carnivore.
@@KevinLuna eating only plant base will make you develop nutrient deficiency like vitamin b12 iodine, iron, zinc, you have to take synthetic man made supplement to receive basic essential nutrition which is very stupid, people got healed from veganism because they reduced amounts of sugar intake they have but its still not healthy at all.
Man all of these people sound exactly alike- it’s like they have the same robot programming and ego defenses and all start malfunctioning once Ed starts asking them questions. This is fascinating. Like the ego under threat, in cognitive dissonance gives all the same scripted arguments. It’s mind boggling
Thanks for another great video Ed. I always appreciate your interview style, letting people talk and let the gears turn in their head while creating an open space for true discussion. I've seen several vegans lately attempt public activism where they rip away the microphone mid-sentence of the person they're interviewing, which isn't helpful to the cause. You're one of the voices that made me consider and eventually go vegan, and myself, the animals, and the world all thank you for it.
So appreciate this channel and all the work Ed & his team are doing on many levels. :’) As Ed educates people in these debates, he is also educating me. 🙌🐾💕
I wish you would tell them to watch DOMINION. it's one thing to simply IMAGINE another's suffering and quite another to actually SEE what they go through
@@alexhardy4559 If everyone had that attitude there'd still be slaves. I guess that's just the way some people are ... they aren't exactly the movers and the shakers, they won't be designing rockets or settling new planets, they didn't invent the wheel or the internet ... they're the ones who just sit around waiting for motivated, energetic people to lead the way and solve all the problems. Their motto ... their axiom's are "it's ALWAYS been done this way, why change?" Well guys, it hasn't always been done this way, in fact, you couldn't have your way of life if it had!
@@robinwallace7097 even if I was a vegan, I wouldn't have become a mover or shaker. Though did you veganism made you a mover and shaker ? Are you some kinda bigshot with annual turnover of millions of dollars ? How did being a vegan result in that. Personally I'm pretty fine being a average person with his average wife, average kids and average job in Nur-Sultan. Also what you mentioned was innovation in science, necessary for the greater success of human race. Veganism doesn't really appear to be that. As an agricultural firm executive, other than stopping animal slaughter veganism doesn't do anything for the success of the human race
@@robinwallace7097 also I was born in modern era so I'm not gonna waste my time in feeling all philosophical about people who didn't have these easy lifestyle. Though assuming you're from North America or Europe, you already have a dozens of times better lifestyle than us in central Asia. Also I take my lifestyle taken for granted. Our people struggled pretty hard under the USSR. We can enjoy the peaceful times instead of wasting time on animals
@@alexhardy4559 That's a logical fallacy ... I said people who are not inclined to make changes don't become those things, or haven't done those things. That does not mean that being open/inclined to change makes you automatically become those things. Nope, I'm just a normal person who recognizes the need for change. Sometimes, change can be a bad thing too. Case in point ... science has made it possible to provide meat on a massive scale, and now we have 8 billion people. That innovation is not sustainable, and if we continue trying to provide meat to 8 billion, that could spell the biggest collapse of humanity ever. As for your second comment, my statement was not meant to make you feel guilty, it was just an observation that we need to make plant based eating easy and meat production harder until it phases out. Peace to you, enjoy your life. Note, it's possible to really enjoy plant based food.
Honestly always the same arguments are brought up in those interviews, but this time it wasn't done with malice, he was really receptive and involved in the conversation, great talk!
I really admire the way Ed lets people talk so much and rather than trying to drive his point home really hard he asks the question back to the person. It is very admirable. I had a conversation with a non vegan and I felt sick after because I felt like I totally lost my cool and was just giving like a lecture by the end. Oh man….
Ed went to acting school and then started as a vegan ‘street preacher’. Like any other ‘street preacher’ who has been at it for years he has heard all the objections and answered them a hundred times. If you get his training and experience you will do just as well.
What an interesting , charismatic guy. Southern mom, Persian dad; I'd love to be a fly on the wall at family gatherings! Ed does a great job here, and it really feels like he has sparked a process.
With our amount of intelligence, we have the power to do amazing things and break horrible cycles. I feel we instinctually admire honorable ppl and legends because they defy odds and show us that we can do amazing things.
Yea his assistant specifically told us NOT to publicly announce it as this would prevent him from having good convos w/target audiences. Nonetheless we did have quite a few vegans come by, observe, and take photos w/him.
I went to UC Irvine, and stopped eating meat while I was there! Hopefully he has the same experience. What pushed me over the edge was twofold. 1. There’s an In-and-Out right across from campus where I ate all the time. It was cheap and tasty. The pure volume of burgers I was eating created a philosophical question in my mind about how many animals I was impacting just so that I could be eating.. and would I kill all of those animals to have as many burgers as I was having or was I overdoing it? 2. I went to Disneyland around the same time and they had this fall themed area with hay bales and a real life cow. And I met the cow and they were so sweet I realized in that moment I would *never* kill that animal just to eat it. And it sunk in how many burgers I was eating and how I had no connection between what I was eating and this being who I met. That sealed the deal for me and I’ve never eaten cow again.
he is really crying for help. this is basically a mentorship where you are walking him through how to speak up for himself on how to empower himself to speak to all the people around him who are drowning out his internal drive for change. thanks ed
Vegetarian since birth and vegan since the past 5 years for animals. I’m so thankful to Ed for inspiring me to go vegan. Also the fact that I became a mother and saw a PETA video of cruelty in the dairy farm got me thinking about my actions. Being vegan is easy if you remind yourself of the impact you are having in even one life around you. Your presence reminds others of the moral choices we can make.
What a nice conversation! It would be interesting to see how this young man is living his life today a year later. Has he reduced or even stopped consuming animals? :-)
I was a hardcore conservative and vegan hater and it was Ed's TED talk on veganism that petered out my conservatism-driven hatred towards veganism and it just happened almost 2 months ago. Before I was not listening to vegans and thought that vegans were unscientific, crazy, and always spout hatred, until I realized that mostly, it's the vegan critics who are unscientific, crazy, and always spout hatred, arrogance, and mockery. I was so blinded by my conservatism-driven and bible-based hatred that I always criticize and mock vegans, LGBTQ+, and others who are labelled today as non-conformists. Now, am I a vegan? No, but due to the awareness that I obtained from Ed's debate and talks, I am now making conscious decisions in my diet, and I am planning now to be a vegan. I know, it will be hard at first, but hopefully I'll get used to it. Probably, my innate dislike towards any type of burger, beef, ham, pizza, and the likes are blessings in disguise (yes, I don't eat burgers and hams, and I don't like beef and pizza. Ever since I was a child, I've been like this. Before, I tried to eat a burger and ham, but I really couldn't stand their taste. I don't know why). I think, it's also a blessing in disguise that I live in an agricultural country (the Philippines) which grows hundreds of varieties of fruits, crops, and vegetables, and that I am not heavily consuming chicken, fish, and pork in my daily diet. I think, on my part, one of the hardest things to give up is the fermented krill. I'm so used to eating fermented krill/ shrimp paste that, sometimes, I eat that for dinner (of course, with rice). Good luck to my kidneys and uric acid level lol. Also, I don't know if this also applies to the western countries, but we have this "culture" in our country called "meatless Friday", where every Friday, most households and local eateries will cook a delicious dish called "ginisang munggo" (it's a mung bean soup with jute leaves/ bitter gourd leaves and tofu- some would include pork or smoked fish to it, but many people use tofu as it is a lot cheaper than meat). Most Filipinos would eat ginisang munggo every Friday and it's very delicious! Another vegetarian dish that I love is the ginisang sayote (chayote soup). Sometimes, it's added with ground pork, but you can think of other alternatives to ground pork as it is not the main star of the dish. The first time I tasted it (almost 14 years ago), I already fell in love with it.
Meat is what humans was eatting for millions of years and now you abandoning you natural human food which have all essential nutrient in it, veganism is religion created to starve people and cause disease.
@@thomasphilip8916 The way meat and dairy are acquired these days is hardly natural at all. People used to hunt or scavenge for wild game meat and that is hardly done anymore. Much of the meat on the market is bioengineered and loaded with antibiotics and environmental contaminants and often too fatty to be considered healthy and anything like the wild game meat naturally and historically eaten.
Yay Ed! You’re out here in my neck of the woods!! Thank you!! Excellent interview. He’s a stubborn one and kept saying he was going to continue to eat “his” steak. That always bothers me, because that flesh wasn’t his… it belonged to someone!!!!!! 🐄
Them: It's so hard to enjoy food and get enough protein being vegan. It's also really expensive Me: Lying in bed eating a vegan salted caramel flapjack which contains 9g protein and cost £2 for 3. Yeah, it's so difficult.
Me: Eating a big bowl of home-made French green lentils with 36 grams of protein and quinoa with 8 grams of protein, both bought in bulk. Gee, protein is so difficult and expensive.
@@planetofthevegans880 sounds like a mediaeval peasant's meals tbh. Like if I'm gonna eat vegan food, better eat something tasty and appealing to palate and eyes. Rather than just eat to fill my stomach
@@drsalka nah man I get it, it's just when you're trying to advocate someone to change their diet, something as mundane won't be successful. You need tasty yet healthy cuisine
Taste is the big one. There is no justification for it. “But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy.” -Plutarch (c. AD 46) Thank you, Ed, again, for planting those seeds of change.
"we're talking about 15 minutes of pleasure vs the entire lived experience and life of someone else". I am actually vegan (or mostly), but I don't entirely understand this argument. Isn't it the case that these animals wouldn't have any lived experience or life at all, if they weren't bred into existence for food? On the other hand, it could be argued that regardless of 'why' a conscious being is brought into existence, they are deserving of rights. I would also be curious to know if Ed would be supportive of a hypothetical animal farm where animals live an entire happy, 'natural' lifespan before being slaughtered for their meat. (ignoring the environmental/resource argument). It brings up some interesting philosophical questions that reminds me of the book, "Never Let Me Go" by Kazuo Ishiguro.
@@nemo2341000 I'm not sure if that's really a fair dichotomy. We can give animals more rights than we currently do without equating animal rights to human rights
@@riley-pepper It's not my opinion that we should attribute this almost personhood state of "someone" to animals. I believe they're somethings. I value Humans differently than I value animals. I believe we should Treat Gods creation with Respect, regardless of your choice in Food Source. I believe both are Morally acceptable Food Sources, in accordance with The Bible.
when I'm doing those discussion, those ones are really the best we can get (aside from some that turn the person vegan on the spot, it does actually happen). but having someone logical and open minded enough to be willing to reconsider their life worth of habits and culture that's something important. that guy seems like a smart person honestly, hopefully he'll find his own way to veganism in due time, he sure has all the tools at his disposal.
Those are vegan propaganda that only appeal to gullible fools who think you can actually disguise hypocricy as virtue and recieve a plastic halo and a counterfeited sainthood.
Then again, our ancestors weren't in numbers of billions whilst completely annihilating the global ecosystem through generationally-lasting pollution spearheaded by massive corporations, which is doing way more damage than generations of animals would. Animals weren't being batter-caged or shoved into massive warehouses back then, nope. Although plants do give protein, they are incomplete, & cannot be solely survived off of; us humans DO need it in our diets.
People will draw a line thar includes the more intelligent animals but have no problem with chicken. I started raising them at the start of covid and can say with certainty, they have brains and personalities and feel pain. I can't eat something that trusts me and I've always hated eggs, but feel fine trading eggs for other foods, or since I live in a poor, but developing community, I mostly give them away. They free range, I am very grateful to have a large enough yard.
Our taste buds change over time, so if we stop eating something that tastes good to us now, we can adjust and won’t miss that taste anymore. It’s only a matter of time. 🌱
I don't have any pride an ego of being born human but still I am powerfull and yes i required meat in atleast moderate quantities Humans also have genetic names , they breath oxygen ,they drink water , they are hetrotropic just like animals and I accept it i will not hesitate if any wild animal comes to kill me because it is nature but society and laws made by constitution i been protected and animals does not
Morality is individual humans state of mind so don't enforce them on other creatures espicially one which are breed to be killed and eaten but if you are worried about environment yes we can minimize meat consumption at very great proportion but if you say 0 meat consumption then it will never happen in my or meat lovers life ,👎
I have been a vegetarian for most of my life now. Over 25 years. I have to say that I'm pretty sure I look much better than most people I see that are my age. So, clearly, there are health benefits of not eating animal meat.
"It is for this reason that men of wisdom who are endued with penances refrain from eating meat. Listen to me, O king, as I tell thee what the faults are that attach to the eating of meat. The meat of other animals is like the flesh of one's son. That foolish person, stupefied by folly, who eats meat is regarded as the VILEST of human beings." Bhīṣma, speaking to King Yudhiṣṭhira, Anuśāsana Parva 13:117:11 “Mahābhārata”, compiled by Kṛṣṇadvaipāyana (AKA Śrīla Vyāsadeva).
Yet all kind of scholars and scientists and the movers and shakers achieved their scientific successes with a non veg diet. Keep your religious texts to yourself doc
@@alexhardy4559 Did you know that in ancient Bhārata (India), a person who consumed ANY type of animal was known as a “Chandāla” (dog-eater) and was not even included in mainstream society, but was an outcast?🥩 So when a DOG-EATER such as yourself presumes to instruct a member of the Holy Priesthood (The World Teacher, in my particular case), it is rather amusing (and, of course, totally evil).👿 Bless You Always, Mr. DOG-EATING beta-male! 😇
I wish Ed would have like a platter of vegan options out on his table too to show people the different kinds of foods and vegan protein sources they could consume because a lot of people just plain don't know. Many people still in 2022 think Vegan = Plain Salad..
it's amazing how EVERY person, including me before going vegan, has the same excuses as if we were programmed, it is always Protein, Society, we've done it for years, we are omnivores, other animals kill for food, I enjoy it blah blah blah... I wish people opened their eyes and see that you can live perfectly as a vegan.
@@joeoleary9010 ohhh wow, where did you see this stuff? you 'read' it on joe Rogan's podcast? there are so many children living and thriving on a plant-based diet. I am sure there are cases, same as when people only feed McDonald's to their children and they have deficiencies or die. It is a fact, since 2009 researchers have concluded that whole food plant-based diets are not only appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.), but they also help reduce the risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, stroke, obesity on children when they grow up.
In today’s video I sit down with Cam, a student at UC Irvine. We discuss how much he loves animal products and also how his Southern family would laugh at this video if they ever saw it. He gives me 15 minutes to convince him - how do you think it went?
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are you aware that NLP is no longer hip, not since they invented google. that's why your claim that meat consumption is only for enjoyment seems kind of - hollow
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Vegans they don’t smell, because lots of fibre if you eat plants and fruit and nuts and berries and tubers and lentiIs beans and potatoes etc. Lots of fibre !! PH 7-10. Smooth arteries. ToiIet ✅❤️💩🚽😉 neutral. And you get bigger and stronger and fitter when you go plant based. No fat deposits because fat deposits is animals and cheese and fish etc. Herbivores like gorillas and bonobos and Orangutans, no plaque because plaque is eating corpses 🧟♂️🦠🍖🔴... Hard arteries. No fibre !! We are herbivores. Like bonobos and orangutans and gorillas. Ape family. They are herbivores like humans. We act like ‘Omnivores’, and get heart attack and cancer and high blood pressure and strokes no fibre and fat deposits clog your arteries !!!! 51% death rate !!!! Vegans have 4% cancer. And Gorillas they have 1% cancer in the wild 😜. And they don’t eat meat, and they are huge, 97.6% the same as us !!! Fibre is plants and fruit and nuts and berries and sweet potato 🍠 and lentils and beans and rice and oats etc. Peer reviewed scientific fact !! Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural, 🦠 (hint hint🥖🍞B12). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!. Nori sheets B12 46% 1 piece......
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"...I'm not going to lie..." - My wife and I DID go vegan over night. We had a discussion much like this one in our 50's and decided we had taken the wrong path. The remedy? Change our path. We have never looked back and now are both vegan.
That's fantastic!
Good man. And please tell your wife that she's a good woman.
I am so happy for you
If something worked for you, doesn't always mean it'll always work for everyone in just one go.
That's amazing ❤
People sit down thinking they’re going to debate Ed but end up having a free therapy session lol
I had this similar mindset. As a Mexican, eating meat was a large part of our cultural dishes.
I never thought I would go vegan but I’ve managed it for years.
People won’t connect the dots unless they actually want to.
I hear that! The reason I ate as much animal product as a did for years was tradition and social. I wish we had close vegan friends but luckily I always find something to eat or I prepare something for others to show how good & satisfying plant-based meals can be.
So what was the moment that converted you and made you go green
Same!!! But as a Peruvian
Also for people in Mexico and throughout Central and South America where the diet is very heavy with beef and dairy, these are direct products of colonialism. There are some really interesting folks that are doing pre-colonial foods, there was a Vice episode I saw about plant-based Mexican food and some of the ideas there. Definitely check it out. But I would say that over time, everyone’s diets became more meat and dairy-fied lol with some exceptions like Inuits and such.
@@scerb100 as people progressively got better off, meat which was for novelty was made available to middle class. Henceforth the increase in consumption.
This guy was definitely much more open-minded and understanding than most meat eaters I encounter
perhaps you just don't encounter enough meat eaters
Might be your approach
I don't think he was more open minded, I believe he just wasn't as argumentive... but I felt he had no empathy for animals. Plus it's such an insult to think those animals are dumb and stupid. I have rescued hens and roosters. They are even smarter than dogs and cats. They are like little humans, full of emotions, very vocal (a varied language) and capable of taking decisions and creating drama lol. I saw it all the time! Pretty awesome beings. I am so blessed to have had them in my life!
@@v.a.n.e. I mean almost everyone I know and basically all my friends are lol. I just don’t have the energy to debate them and listen to their mental gymnastics like Ed does
@@laurab3876 I agree. he represents most people I know. “Yeah… i get why youre vegan, animals and stuff, but, you know, bacon taste good so shut your mouth”. it’s hard trying to convince those with less empathy than you to empathize like you. Possible, but hard.
i became vegan this week because of your channel!
edit: im allergic to wheat so if anyone knows any good vegan/gluten free channels, pages, websites etc, please let me know!
edit 2: still going strong!!!
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When you know better, you gotta do better. Good man/woman!
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever thank you! i realised my actions didnt line up with my morals, and i have to change that
Well done!
@@KnittyKnut thank you :)!
I’m so sick of the protein “argument”. Whenever anyone asks me where I get my protein from, I simply ask them how much protein do I need? And they themselves don’t know the answer.
I just tend to flop on the ground, flapping my arms, gibbering - "protein, prooootein, proteinnnn" - until they go away.
Kidney beans have more protein per 100g than Beefsteak
@@JB.zero.zero.1 rofl
Or they'll ask about vitamins you can "only get from meat" as though they're a paragon of personal nutrition that gets 100% of every vitamin every day
I would guess this guy needs around 120 g of Protein max. He is not very tall, trained, but not overtrained (you could see it at his legs and arms). Even without shakes, etc it's easy to maintain this amount of protein intake on a vegan diet. He shouldn't worry.
This guy was so open and honest. Lovely discussion and very eye opening.
I love how you say 'have a great life' at the end because it's sort of a subtle reminder that they get to enjoy their life but the animals they eat do not.
Lol ,I have a great life enjoying a great variety of animals
@@rondarkman. you do? Bc you’ve left 468 troll/hate comments on this channel bc spreading negativity makes you feel better somehow. What a great fulfilling life you must have….
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Where's the hate? I love animals because someone doesn't agree with you prin doesn't mean it's a troll.
Now put your big boy pants on and suck it up
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Ps thoughts and prayers prin
@@rondarkman. and the animals you eat do not. I guess reading comprehension and understanding the point are things you have yet to enjoy.
Vegan for the animals!! Steak tastes good but animals not suffering is worth so much more
Isnt that a tautology?
Even if steak tasted like crap, I would still eat it for health and nutrition but taste tho
steak tastes good and animals suffering is worth it all
@@MrBCB thanks for commenting it helps the video be more popular.
@@x-latetv-x6816 No you wouldn't that's complete bull, but I have come to expect that from you
"As a society it's hard to change"
Yes but *you* are not a society. You're a person. And it's easy for people to change.
You might not _want_ to change, but if you do, it's not actually hard. You just do it.
It is interesting isn’t it how people seek the shelter of the herd (society) rather than accept personal responsibility. That’s why a movement needs a tipping point. If we ever got to a point where most people under age 30 (us older ones can be a lot more resistant to change) were vegan the protection of the herd would no longer exist and individuals would necessarily have to own their choice to consume animals.
@@robsengahay5614 well it's pretty hard. For a large population of under 30 individuals to be largely vegan is for what I see an insurmountable wall but if it ever happens then it'll become like racism. You can't blame peer pressure anymore
@@alexhardy4559 Given how long it took for most societies to realise human slavery was immoral, that universal suffrage was necessary, and that homosexuality shouldn’t be illegal then, sadly, I think it will be a long time changing. Possibly sometime next century in my estimation.
@@robsengahay5614 the things you mentioned was inequality between objectively equals. A white man realising he isn't superior to a black man was hard but in the end, a human realising he isn't superior to another human is a lot easier process and men realising women are just as good is even easier. But a person realising their cow or pig also has rights is totally different ballgame. Like they can't speak so they can't protest no. I think not even next century. It'll countinue as long as the current world doesn't collapse.
@@alexhardy4559 Yes, except the bar isn’t that high. Non-human animals bred for slaughter don’t need equal rights to humans. They simply need the same rights that humans already grant to many other species.
“culture is not your friend.”
- terence mckenna
Legend
Many people don´t really know ¨their¨ culture. Cows, milk, Chicken and pigs are not indigenous to many lands but you see it in their so called cultural dishes. They look up what the food was in their original culture and most barely have any meat at all. That´s why 68% of people worldwide are lactose intolerant yet cheese and milk products are part of how many cultures?
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@@oddballjake229 - Well when in your culture where 7 out of ten people are sloppy fat and the number one cause of death is heart disease because you are all addicted to eating dead animals....yeah, I'll choose something else.
shame he wasn't a vegan
1) Acknowledges what they’re doing is bad from the animals perspective
2) Knows theres also environmental and health benefits
3) Says they aren’t going to change but it made them think
This is the most common thing I experience in outreach. It can feel like a grind but every nudge helps.
I was the same. All I needed is to try it for a week for the light bulb to switch on.
I wish people would just try it for a week
Yes I know what you mean it can be frustrating but I would still have more hope that someone like that will change than someone that keeps making excuses all the time
There's many health benefits to a well balanced diet, and you don't have to always buy pre pack rubbish from supermarkets, your points are rather flawed
@@rondarkman. yes a balanced plant based diet
@@lorissupportguides Loris Support Guides
A PLANT-BASED DIET ISN'T BALANCED.
This dude is super open-minded and honest. Great convo!
I wanted to sincerely thank you, Ed, for doing this; It was mainly because of you and CosmicSkeptic that I'm a vegan now!😀
Peace!
Nice 👍 Cosmic’s pretty good
Ngmi
follow ComicSkeptic's lead; he's becoming less and less vegan every day
@@v.a.n.e. what a bizarre comment. He’s currently still very active in vegan advocacy and has some of the best vegan philosophy since Peter Singer.
Wasn’t Joey Carbstrong or Mic the Vegan saying something similar recently?
Accepting our own weaknesses as inevitable is why we are in the mess we are.
Weaknesses are inevitable but that doesn't mean you have to embrace them. Just don't feel guilty if you did your best and slipped up. Pick yourself up and go again.
It's also a condition of apathy, which is prevalent nowadays. A lot of people are chemically dumbed down almost to the point of stupor, and others are just totally self-absorbed narcissists.
@@Empathy4Animals411 I think apathy has always been deep in society. It's just that people have no problem with admitting it now.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Besides drugs, mindless scrolling on social media sites can be addictive, and a massive waste of time. What am I doing here? If you are selective, there is some great content, and it can be an effective way to advocate for veganism.
You're not an herbivore. In fact, humanity as a whole are not herbivores. So please quit pretending as though you are.
You are such an incredible person Ed ❤️ Thanks to your activism, I became vegan. Feeling happier and healthier than ever 🥰
more productive
It is NOT A DIET!
That's great! Don't forget to take Vitamin B12 supplements :)
@@pennymac16 All people should. Especially non-vegans.
@@pennymac16 Oh the good old B12 bullshit that carnivore assholes like to throw around. Here is the deal you stupid clowns, I dont take any supplements and my vitamin levels are all good.
I’m on my way home from a family gathering where I’m the only vegan. It can be so tough socially sometimes. I don’t care, I’m never going to stop being a vegan. But Ed your videos help so much. Your work is so amazing and so respected. I truly believe you are divinely guided and I thank the universe for you. #veganjesus
Here’s my biggest problem with veganism, it’s not a choice. It’s a requirement by you guys, you feel like a victim because people do something different well your not a victim this is your choice no one else’s. Stop saying who are evil or bad or wrong if they don’t subscribe to your opinion
@@treysonbates6110 Yes we are not victims (or at least no more than most of all other people) of non-vegans but there are victims. The main victims are the exploited and killed animals. To a much smaller degree, those slaughterhouse workers that have little choice of other jobs, who are suffering from mental trauma that also affect people close to them could be considered victims. Finally natural environment degradation and climate change that the animal farming industry is one of the main contributors to have many victims both human and not. So there are definitely victims.
We can’t just fully accept a personal choice that does so much harm. Believing in animal rights is similar to believing in human rights, you think they should be respected by everyone.
One of the hardest things in this world is to walk the path of a true human being. It may be lonely sometimes. But, it's true and noble. And I will take that a thousand times over acceptance.
You don’t have to embarrass your family publicly for the selfish choices they make, speak with them when you have a chance to when you are alone with them individually. This will help avoid the “tough” social situations. My point is they are the ones who should be embarrassed.
@@treysonbates6110In my experience it’s everyone else who has a problem with ME being Vegan. I don’t tell people I am, I don’t talk about it, I don’t say anything about THEM eating meat. But if they happen to find out I am a vegan, they’re the ones who have a problem and make me uncomfortable
I just love the way Ed handles these interviews.. So kind, articulate and he diffuses any comment that could rile even the most peaceful of ppl. I study him often to help with my own personal confrontations with non vegans. Thank you Ed, you'll be remembered as one of the original if not the original pioneers of animal advocates 👍👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️
This was not one of his best, I don't think, but the guy had his mind made up. Ed kept trying to convince him that he had empathy and was a good person, which won't work when someone believes animals are stupid. He should have gone for the repulsion factor, like telling him to envision the steak with maggots wriggling out of it, that it's a rotting bloody corpse. Let that image stick in his apathetic mind.
What about Gary Yourofsky?
@@Empathy4Animals411 and if even then he doesn't care about it then you'll shut up and keep to your own lane no ?
@@CoolRandomJunkForYou Unfortunately a lot of these newer vegans have never heard of Gary Yourofsky, or Gary Francione, for that matter, or Will Tuttle, or dozens of others.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Lol what's with the 'rotting' stuff? Do you think people are leaving their steaks on hot car dashboards for weeks? Eggplants and apples rot, should I refer to them as 'rotting apples' and 'rotting eggplants'?
Maybe write a Rob Zombie fan-fiction script instead and come up with some better persuasion techniques.
it's so funny when people talk themselves in circles when they clearly have no actual argument lol
I just like eating meat no need to argue
You don't actually need an argument, but the reason I won't go vegan is because long term data for born vegans is very limited if at all and until that is rectified I won't be considering veganism
@@x-latetv-x6816 No It's because you like the taste, and you are not a born Vegan so what are you worried about
@@36ELRIC yeah it taste good but if I woke up in the morning with some weird disease that makes steak taste like crap I would still eat it
@@x-latetv-x6816 Oh go on, push the boat out, live life dangerously. I dare you. It's only the lentils and their mates
In an increasingly polarized and angry world, I find Ed's respectful discussions to be so-o-o refreshing.
The poorest countries eat mostly plantbased. Its way more expensive to raise an animal. Eating animal products has always been a Luxary as in more expensive. The cheapest foods in the supermarketare plantbased. The cheapest meal on most menus is always the veggie option.
Which poorest countries ? Many of those poorest countries have barren or inhospitable lands unsuitable for large scale agriculture. So most people are cattle herders. In central Asia, in many sub Saharan countries, in South America, Pacific Islands. What you are describing are tropical or subtropical countries with large arable land such as India or Bangladesh. In those kinda countries veg options are so cheap. But if you come to a country like Kazakhstan, of Somalia or Swaziland, it's the opposite. Chicken and beef and lamb is hella cheap
Actually, the poorest countries just don't eat.
@@Cheximus they do , else they'll perish which they obviously don't so they must be eating something
@Kevin Luna Yes, I'm surprised Ed dropped the ball on that one. Maybe by that point he was already realizing the guy was a waste of time.
@@Empathy4Animals411 Ed realised most people couldn't care less about an animal dying. To them even before the slaughterhouse they appear as 800 kilos of beef
Loved how you held him accountable when he mentioned "well I'm just heartless". In my conversations and outreach i always try to emphasize the point that vegans aren't especially empathetic to animals - after all, who isn't against animal abuse?
He did not say "well I'm just heartless", he said "I'm not like heartless".
He's in California, in college, how is he so disconnected still? It's so obvious and easy to be vegan in Irvine, CA! Every single place either is vegan or has plant based options.
he'd make for a great race horse with those blinders intact...
I love Cam's willingness to respectfully put it all out there. I heard every argument! Religion, culture, fitness morality, habit, etc. - This video is a great, all-in-one summary of how to talk with a non-vegan about all the main issues.
I feel like this guy is aware, to the extent that he understands the disconnect. I hear people saying it's about choice. Of course, we're not obligate omnivores. However, if children are educated on where their food comes from (the whole process) they will not have a disconnect by blindly following, and they will be allowed the opportunity to make informed choices. When I was around 13 years old, my mother brought home a live chicken and asked me to kill it for her to cook it. I attempted to do it, but could not feel any feelings in my hand, and could not look at the chicken. Realizing I couldn't do it, my mother asked my brother, who was younger than me. He couldn't do it, neither could my mother. A neighbour eventually did, and my mother cooked it. But, although I was very hungry, I never touched the food. I went without food the whole day. I remember seeing pigs, ducks and chickens being killed when I was a child, and I still remember each and every one of them. I always knew that it wasn't right, but always dismissed what my heart said in favour of tradition. Thankfully, as I learned more about veganism, the light went on over my head. I think I needed confirmation that what I felt in my heart was real, and was therefore able to connect with my actions.
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Some people are capable of killing, some people aren't. You can't change that. The killers rule the world for that exact reason - you aren't capable of killing like they are and are easily manipulated i.e. you are the prey who needs other killers to protect you. Don't force your values onto others
@@SmartDumbNerdyCool The biggest and strongest land creatures are not predators, but they will and do kill to protect themselves. If you like killing just for the sake of killing because you are a killer, then you are a psychopath. Psychopaths don't care about anyone except themselves. Why would you be on a vegan channel reading comments and complaining about values being forced on you? You're the one forcing your psychopathic, narcissistic beliefs. Now, move on.
@@SmartDumbNerdyCool, says the person who goes by “Light of Earth”. 🙄
@@rainedyani8505 Yeah I'm saying Veganism is nothing but an agenda/movement pushed by the elites, not based on the true nature of reality (i.e. suffering), and have yet to see a single vegan who isn't completely soft on the inside like a marshmellow. It appears certain people gravitate towards veganism, similar to the tree-hugging, peace 'n' love 'hipsters' from back in the 60's except with a new twist, with no drugs involved or spiritually, essentially Atheism masquarading as animal activism. Now that's en-"lighten"-ment for ya.
What made me become vegetarian was when I finally realized what I was eating. I always knew a steak was a part of a cow, but I wasn’t fully aware. However, the day when every time I took a bite out of a steak, I realized that it was flesh, like mine, and I saw images of them being killed and tortured with every bite I took, that was more than enough to take the good taste off my mouth permanently!
It would be like having this great dinner that tastes great. Then asking the cook, “What did you do to make it taste soooo good? This dinner was delicious!” Then he tells you he used some of his boogers and phlegm to give it that amazing, oh so good taste! After hearing this, you probably would vomit because you know now what it actually is. Even if he tells you the cooking destroys all bacteria that may be in it.
We also must stress out that taste buds adapt to new food. I don’t miss great taste in my life at all. I enjoy food as much as ever! Veganism was not a sacrifice, at all. This is something that must be told! It is just like when I was a kid, I hated avocados. Today, I love them on rice, on California rolls, which I consider to be the best food I have ever tasted. Something happens to my tastebuds when avocado, rice, cucumbers, and sea weed combine with soy sauce. Every time I eat it, I feel angels coming to arrest me, for they don’t have it in haven.
This was it for me. I was always aware where it came from as a child, I just never thought about it and it was just normal to me, but one day it just really sunk in and I broke down crying just trying to eat a meal, I remember sitting alone feeling such an amount of guilt and having to refuse that meal. I quit meat that day and haven’t (intentionally) broken that since.
I love Japanese food even though I've always been allergic to fish, yam tempura and tofu skin in a roll with some wasabi and sauce are delicious.
@@godaininja that was me exactly in 1976, I haven’t regretted it for a moment since.
Ed you do such a great job planting seeds. Brilliant work.
This is like a class that Ed has introduced so he could go through all the arguments that meat eaters come up with, so he could teach animal activists how to counteract these arguments. Well done Ed.
He’s written a book about that! Try checking his website, there should be a free PDF available to download with all those arguments and how to respond.
@@secutina read it.
It takes only 2 weeks to change our taste buds and 1 month to change our microflora. The taste transition is really not as hard as people think. Of course if you have an emotional connection to food that will be harder, but it helps to remind yourself why you're doing it for those parts ❤️
I will always eat meat lmao.
This is how I wish all conversations should go. Can definitely tell he got some gears turning in this guy
Having empathy is the barest minimum.🌱 This guy is going in circles all throughout the interview
Oh and for all those thinking vegan is expensive... anyone can eat plentifully plant based diet for $5 a day - or even less. There are plenty of video examples of this right here on Good Ol YT.
For sure! I walk by the meat section of the grocery and rejoice in the amount of money I’m NOT spending on it. Several tasty vegan meals for the price of 1 pound of animal flesh. Win -win situation.
Yep. Here in Mexico I can buy like $4 in legumes for a whole month and prepare ridiculously good dishes for $0.5. Veggies, cereals and fruit are also very affordable so all the money I don’t spend on meat, I use on vegan junk food lol
Saved thousands of dollars over the years being vegan. Grocery bills are consistently $150-300 less per month. Average about $150 per week and that’s for three people.
You never know who you're going to meet and where someone is at with their discovery of ethical veganism. Outreachers like Ed being there for them is so important! Sharing their voice and message is something powerful you can do effortlessly.
You’re a great outreacher too. Love your channel!
@@av6500 aww thank you ! 🤙😁🤙
This message is to the entire world every last person. Being vegan is easy as can be. Loving animals and being vegan is good.
Great conversation. This is such a good example of an open-minded, civil discourse between two parties that disagree. Videos like this give me hope… thanks Ed!!
He realised really quickly that he. had no argument at all. I think there is potential there. He has more empathy than he realises and hopefully will look more into it.
Its impossible to argue virtue signalling.
Virtue signaling' is the practice of using moral talk in an attempt to enhance one's moral reputation. Virtue signalling actively undermines the proper functioning of public moral discourse and impedes moral progress. An example of virtue signalling would be comparing hens to humans or equating the slaughter of a pig as murder.
You just have to smile and nod and remember that vegans are the cult of virtue signalling and change nothing.
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@@Trolloftruth Yes. Maybe?
@@fuxinferior2195 only in a vegan hope
@@Trolloftruth Why would anyone hope not? I don’t see the connection.
Ed was at UC Irvine! 💚 How cool to see him at my alma mater. I went there as a vegan over 20 years ago when few people knew what the word meant. Now a famous vegan activist visits there to spread the message.
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Take a drink every time he says "Ya know what I mean?"
I was looking for this comment! By now I drank 50 drinks, you know what I mean?
That discussion was really respectful on both sides
Love this
I am already a vegan before knowing you and after watching all your videos even convincing me that being a vegan is one the of wisest choice that i have ever made
Freakin Earthling Ed says everything I wanna say in these conversations, but mine comes out as word salad and his is impeccable!!
could you expand, please? I couldn't make any sense of your word salad
There's a reason this is a cut of many conversations
Amazing as always, I wish more people I meet were willing to talk about veganism. Most don't want to even touch on the subject
Oh it's always a fun topic, so long as both parties can be respectful.
Yes, I haven’t met anyone willing to engage. When I was vegetarian a few people would ask if it was for health reasons. Once I said it was not they immediately lost interest in discussing it further. Now when I say vegan the only response I get is “I could never do that” and then change the subject.
I did not change until I was nearly 60 yet I struggle to recall if I was ever truly ignorant of my hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.
@@robsengahay5614 Hey Robsenga you could find a local activist group and start having productive conversations. For example anynymous for the voiceless. My point is that you can learn to have these conversations. Cheers
@@letransformateur6477 Thanks for the information. I just researched them and have applied to join my nearest group so I will see where that goes. I have never been an activist for anything my whole life so to do so is alien to me and scary tbh.
THAT'S BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE JUST WANT TO ENJOY THEMSELVES. SOMETIMES, I GET A HEADACHE WHENVER I READ COMMENTS DISCUSSING VEGANISM.
As always….genius and so respectful 🍃🙏🏻🐄❣️
Its such a disconnect. It took me well over a decade of conflict eating meat, and living with a strict vegetarian(for the animals) for 4 years before It finally "clicked.". (we are both Vegan now, she helped inspire me to go Vegan and I inspired her to go all the way!
Being carnivores, dogs and cats both have a short intestine length and are predisposed to do best on diets composed of quickly digestible foodstuffs like protein. Evidence for this can be found in their highly concentrated stomach acid, which has a high amount of enzymes that break down protein, and the lower levels of enzymes that break down carbohydrates (amylases) in their intestines. Cats and dogs also don’t have many of the specific enzymes that are required to digest many complex plant proteins. While not all carbohydrates are like this (corn and rice are easily digested by both species, if processed correctly), this can mean that less-digestible high-carbohydrate diets pass through the intestines of cats and dogs too quickly for the carbohydrates to be properly broken down and absorbed, and the end result is a lot of poop and not much nutrition. All animals need some amount of fiber to maintain a healthy intestinal lining and to prevent diarrhea, but too much fiber can impair protein absorption and cause digestive upset (Case et al. 2014). Based on the short, simple intestines of dogs and especially cats, we can see that they have fast passage rates, and therefore need easily-digestible, nutrient-dense food so that their physiology can make the most of what they do eat, and meat best fulfills all of those those requirements.
Obligate carnivores like cats and ferrets have a limited ability to digest carbohydrates and are instead extremely efficient at making new glucose from non-glucose materials (a process called gluconeogenesis). Humans are also capable of using the gluconeogenic cycle to get energy, but we can turn it on and off as needed because our liver is able to regulate it. For cats the gluconeogenic cycle is always on, and that causes big problems when their diet does not contain enough protein. Since the cycle is always running, a cat’s body preferentially burns protein for fuel over everything else - if they don’t get enough easily digestible protein, the body will start breaking down and digesting its own muscles for energy. A recent study found that cats fed high-carbohydrate diets were unable to stop their bodies from breaking down any available protein to create glucose, rather than shifting gears and utilizing the glucose from the carbohydrates in their food (Harmon, 2016). In extreme cases, this could mean that the cat would wind up digesting its own muscles for energy.
The inability to efficiently utilize carbohydrates as sources of energy is not the only problem with grain-heavy diets for dogs and cats: there’s also the issue of essential nutrients. The concept of essential nutrients is a common one - they are nutrients the body cannot create for itself that must be acquired regularly from the diet for an animal to survive. (For instance, vitamin C is a well-known essential nutrient for humans, guinea pigs, and some bats.) These can be amino acids, which build proteins; fatty acids, which build lipids; or vitamins. Imbalances or deficiencies in any of these can make a dog or cat very ill, and many of them are very hard if not biologically impossible for carnivores to synthesize from plant-based diets.
Most mammals (including dogs) are able to process beta-carotene from plant tissue in order to get enough Vitamin A in their diet - cats, however, lack this pathway and require a dietary source of pre-processed vitamin A such as animal fat or organ meat (McNamara, 2014). Vitamin A is crucial for proper skin, fur, muscle, and nerve function, and chronic deficiency will lead to night blindness and muscle weakness.
All animals need vitamin B in their diet, but cats have a unique requirement for high levels of the vitamins B3 and B6. Dogs also need B vitamins to stay healthy, but they are able to break down the amino acid tryptophan (McNamara 2014) to create a small amount if their diet doesn’t provide it. Because a cat’s digestive system burns through protein at such a high rate, their bodies don’t convert tryptophan into B3, which means they are obligated to get all their B vitamins from their diet. While B vitamins do occur naturally in many foods (Higdon et al. 2013, 2014), it is most efficiently acquired through a meat-based diet: in the wild, the high concentrations of B6 and B3 in organ meats would fulfill a cat’s daily requirements. B vitamins are water-soluble, which means cats cannot store them for later and must always have a steady supply, as the excess amounts each day are excreted in their urine. Without proper levels of B3 and B6, cats are unable to use protein to provide energy. (McNamara 2014).
don’t worry only 5% of life feels pain (note this is rough estimate it most likely to be less) According to the U.S. National Research Council Committee on Recognition and Alleviation of Pain in Laboratory Animals, pain is experienced by many animal species, including mammals and possibly all vertebrates. Witch mean all invertebrates can’t feel pain and sense Vertebrates make up less than five percent of all described animal species; the rest are invertebrates, which lack vertebral columns. Witch mean 95% of life can’t feel pain
also it is debated on weather all vertebrates can feel pain, also what kind of pain they feel witch will lower the amount of life that can feel “pain”. This info is based on the definition of pain “An unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with, or resembling that associated with, actual or potential tissue damage,” if your definition is “a response to outside damage” then that means all Multi cellar life can feel pain witch mean plant to.
Going vegan side effects sometimes include anemia, disruptions in hormone production, vitamin B12 deficiencies, and depression from a lack of omega-3 fatty acids. That's why it's crucial to include plenty of proteins, vitamin B12, vitamin D, iron, calcium, iodine, zinc, and omega-3s in your diet.
-Timesofindia
Vegetarians and vegans may have an increased risk of stroke
The types of stroke were also analyzed, including bleeding into the brain (hemorrhagic stroke) and nonbleeding stroke (ischemic stroke).
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In the course of normal gestation plasma volume expands, producing a decrease of vitamins and minerals concentrations; however, plasma lipids and cholesterol arise. During early gestation the fat stores of mothers increase, whereas the last gestation is characterized by increased insulin resistance: these are metabolic changes essential to support fetal growth [29].
According to the 2015-2020 Dietary Guidelines for Americans (DGA), pregnant women have to consume a variety of foods to maintain energy and nutrient requirements and to gain recommended amounts of weight. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes (DRIs) and Institute of Medicine (IOM), caloric necessities are no higher than the estimated energy requirement for nonpregnant women until the second trimester. The extra energy requirement per day is 340 kcal in the second trimester and 452 kcal in the third trimester (IOM), or 260 kcal and 500 kcal, respectively (according to European Food Safety Authority-EFSA) [30,31]. The Guidelines recommend practicing moderate intensity physical activity during pregnancy for benefits to both the mother and fetus [32].
All pregnant women need appropriate nutritional supplementation. Iron supplementation is essential for iron deficiency anemia during gestation [33]. Folic acid consumption of 600 mcg/day from fortified foods and dietary supplements is needed to avoid neural tube defects (NTD) [34]. In addition adequate levels of vitamin D (600 UI/day), choline (450 mg/day), and iodine (220 mcg/day) are needed for normal fetal growth and brain development [35,36,37]. During a normal pregnancy the efficiency of calcium absorption increases, so the intake of calcium is equal to a nonpregnant woman of the same age. During pregnancy and lactation, adequate calcium intake is considered to be 1000 mg/day. Women with calcium intakes less than 500 mg/day need additional amounts to achieve maternal and fetal bone requirements [38]. Supplementary Materials Table S1 shows the daily nutrients requirements of the principal macro- and micronutrients during pregnancy and lactation, as well as a comparison between the American Guidelines, IOM, EFSA, and International Federation of Gynecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) [39,40].
The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine suggests that vegetarian pregnant women have to follow the recommendations for protein intake and should increase up to 25 g of protein each day to reach 1.1 g/kg/day as in pregnancy the demand of protein increases [40,41]. The recommendations are to consume daily portions of dark green vegetables (1-2 servings), other vegetables and fruits (4-5 servings), bean and soy products (3-4 servings), whole grains (six or more servings), and nuts, seeds, and wheat germ (1-2 servings). Vegetarians should include sources of protein, iron, and vitamin B-12 intake, as well as calcium and vitamin D if avoiding milk products. Charts listed in these guidelines are useful for substituting beans, tofu, nuts, eggs, and seeds for meats, and include alternative food sources for calcium if milk and dairy products are rejected [3,41].
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“The rising popularity of vegan lifestyles has led some people to consider feeding vegan diets to their pets as a “cruelty-free” alternative to normal meat-based kibble. Because marketing has led people to believe that their dog or cat is able to thrive on a meatless diet, they feel comfortable imposing their ethical views about eating animal products or the agriculture industry onto their pet’s lifestyle as well. However, this is a situation in which human morality not only does not apply to animals but also ends up being dangerously inhumane when expected to be ethical. Canine and feline bodies are not built to subsist singularly on plant matter; both cats and dogs evolved to subsist on a meat-based diet - dogs as opportunistic omnivores and cats as obligate carnivores. Dogs on a vegan diet are very likely to suffer from malnourishment that will drastically affect their quality of life, while vegan-fed cats are guaranteed to be sick and risk death from malnutrition. Recent research into the evolutionary history and gastrointestinal tracts of both dogs and cats proves that it is unwise, if not outright cruel, to feed them a truly vegan diet.
Pets Evolved From Obligate Carnivores
Of the two pet species, dogs fare better than cats (but not optimally) on plant-based diets due to adaptations towards omnivory during the domestication process. The domestic dog evolved from ancestors of the gray wolf some 15,000 years ago (Driscoll et al. 2009). In the wild, the gray wolf is a carnivore, deriving most of its nutrients from hunted or scavenged prey, and any vegetable matter came from the guts of their prey, or from self-medication (like how dogs will eat grass to induce vomiting). During the domestication process, dogs adapted to utilize a more omnivorous diet while scavenging around human settlements, and therefore have more flexibility regarding nutrient sources (McNamara 2014). However, their gastrointestinal tract is still primarily geared towards digesting a higher protein diet and their bodies still respond best to nutrients from animal sources. In contrast, the digestive system of domestic cats is still very similar to that of their wild counterparts. The domestication of cats mostly modified their flight distance and tolerance of human proximity, rather than radically altering their physiology as occurred with domestic canines (Driscoll et al. 2009). Without significant physiological changes during the feline domestication process, it follows logically that cats still get the most nutrition from a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet that maximizes available protein sources.
Visible Physical Attributes Indicate Meat Is A Primary Food Source
There are multiple places in which the physiological evidence for this evolutionary predisposition to carnivory is easily visible in domestic cats and dogs. Both species have molars that are shaped to best crush bone and grind viscera. Animals with a more herbivorous diet will have differently shaped dentition: cows have flat molars to pulverize plant matter and humans have a mix of grinding and tearing teeth to allow an omnivorous diet. Cats have far fewer grinding surfaces than dogs do - their dentition is entirely geared towards shearing meat and bone (Bowen, 2006). This is even evident in regard to jaw motion, as herbivores like cows have wide, flat molars and jaw muscles that allow them to chew side to side with repetitively with ease (Orr, 2016), while carnivores like cats and dogs have a large vertical range of motion in their jaw that allows for efficient removal of a single mouthful of food without the need for chewing. “ This is from whyanimalsdothething
They only people saying this is peta and there dumb while (Standard co uk) there no different, also while I was researching this clam I found that vegan kid are shorter and weaker then non vegan kids. Sources: (theconversation) & (totallyveganbuzz)
Also (shutterheath org) says it not Heathy for baby’s and toddlers, and (webmd)
(ncbi nlm nih gov) says that it not Heathy for for all stages of development to be vegan. In fact all Scientific date point to only adults being able to be vegan.
Mice and ants are still used in test but this is the last test before humans so it has to go through a hundred more test before the get to animals test and this has lead to very few mice death. Also this is a necessary evil. If we don’t do this it ether stops helpful thing form coming out or slowing down. Source
@Treyson Bates Im a Vegan, though my cat and dog are currently not as I dont have ready access to proper vegan foods for them.. Very interesting information you supplied me (also dogs are omnivores not carnivores, which you even explained, despite calling them carnivores the same as cats) Very techy sounding, but I literally have no idea how to validate your credibility. How is it you know all this information? Are you a veterinarian or animal nutritionist? And what exactly is your point? As far as I've learned the science is beginning to show clearly that a dog can eat a (highly specialized) vegan diet, and there are a few pet food companies that have done and are doing research into it as we speak. As for cats I believe its less certain, but there is at least one study (bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8) showing that cats on a Vegan diet live just as long as cats on a meat diet(over 800 cats were in this study and like i said these pet foods are highly specialized for these animals to be able to fully absorb and utilize the nutrients) Also have you seen a gorillas teeth? Or a hippos teeth? We arent feeding our cats and dogs grass my friend... and did you know the number one oldest record setting athlete in the world at over 100 years old ran marathons in his late 80's and accounts his longevity and wellbeing to a whole-food-plant-based-diet? His name is Mike Fremont. Also have you heard of the woman named Rocky Luedeker? She ha 13 world records for weight lifting under her belt at 62 years old and is a Vegan... I mean these are just a couple examples but do you know how much disease high meat based diets cause? Its the leading cause of heart failure ( though possibly losing out to the vaccine now) I think the pros of a vegan diet on health far outweigh any cons alleged by one organization.. Do you know how many studied there are that shows how healthy a plant based diet is compared to other diets? BUUUT despite all this, i care about the animals my friend, and if i have a few percent more chance of getting a stroke by not contributing to the mass enslavement, torture, rape, and murder of animals, im okay with that.
Im willing to adapt to the necessary changes and "necessary evils" as you call it for the betterment of my children. I currently dont have any children so its a non-issue for me at the moment. Buut, over the next couple years I intend to have a child and will be doing my own extensive reading (actual research takes a lot more than just reading something and regurgitating it) on the topic of feeding our growing kids a whole-food-plant-based-diet. But considering my cousin is a strict vegetarian and doesnt eat much cheese or eggs anyway, her 2 young children seem perfectly healthy and normal for their ages and they have shared the same diet their whole lives thus far. But i will be doing a lot more searching and reading on it. Thanks for all your info I suppose.
I was the same as this guy until I got sick and then went vegan at 29
So basically it took a sickness to make you a vegan and not empathy for animals. So it's health reasons no
Veganism ain't healthy either
@@thomasphilip8916 some how I was able to reverse my autoimmune disease, I developed from eating animal products, woth only plants...
@A.J. same with going plantbased. The difference is carnivore is cruel, unnecessary and not sustainable. We'd need 5 earths to feed everyone carnivore.
@@KevinLuna eating only plant base will make you develop nutrient deficiency like vitamin b12 iodine, iron, zinc, you have to take synthetic man made supplement to receive basic essential nutrition which is very stupid, people got healed from veganism because they reduced amounts of sugar intake they have but its still not healthy at all.
Man all of these people sound exactly alike- it’s like they have the same robot programming and ego defenses and all start malfunctioning once Ed starts asking them questions. This is fascinating. Like the ego under threat, in cognitive dissonance gives all the same scripted arguments. It’s mind boggling
Thanks for another great video Ed. I always appreciate your interview style, letting people talk and let the gears turn in their head while creating an open space for true discussion. I've seen several vegans lately attempt public activism where they rip away the microphone mid-sentence of the person they're interviewing, which isn't helpful to the cause. You're one of the voices that made me consider and eventually go vegan, and myself, the animals, and the world all thank you for it.
Brilliant, as always! Thank you Ed! Wonderful conversation. The point is to connect with the person.
What a handsome, reasonable kind person this guy is. The student I mean. Ed is veteran of course.
I thought he was a bigot for the most part.
That was a good debate. This guy was open minded and very nice to you :) ❤
So appreciate this channel and all the work Ed & his team are doing on many levels. :’) As Ed educates people in these debates, he is also educating me. 🙌🐾💕
I wish you would tell them to watch DOMINION. it's one thing to simply IMAGINE another's suffering and quite another to actually SEE what they go through
Translation: I don't want to change until everyone else does, or someone forces me.
And what's wrong with that.
@@alexhardy4559 If everyone had that attitude there'd still be slaves. I guess that's just the way some people are ... they aren't exactly the movers and the shakers, they won't be designing rockets or settling new planets, they didn't invent the wheel or the internet ... they're the ones who just sit around waiting for motivated, energetic people to lead the way and solve all the problems. Their motto ... their axiom's are "it's ALWAYS been done this way, why change?" Well guys, it hasn't always been done this way, in fact, you couldn't have your way of life if it had!
@@robinwallace7097 even if I was a vegan, I wouldn't have become a mover or shaker. Though did you veganism made you a mover and shaker ? Are you some kinda bigshot with annual turnover of millions of dollars ? How did being a vegan result in that. Personally I'm pretty fine being a average person with his average wife, average kids and average job in Nur-Sultan. Also what you mentioned was innovation in science, necessary for the greater success of human race. Veganism doesn't really appear to be that. As an agricultural firm executive, other than stopping animal slaughter veganism doesn't do anything for the success of the human race
@@robinwallace7097 also I was born in modern era so I'm not gonna waste my time in feeling all philosophical about people who didn't have these easy lifestyle. Though assuming you're from North America or Europe, you already have a dozens of times better lifestyle than us in central Asia. Also I take my lifestyle taken for granted. Our people struggled pretty hard under the USSR. We can enjoy the peaceful times instead of wasting time on animals
@@alexhardy4559 That's a logical fallacy ... I said people who are not inclined to make changes don't become those things, or haven't done those things. That does not mean that being open/inclined to change makes you automatically become those things. Nope, I'm just a normal person who recognizes the need for change.
Sometimes, change can be a bad thing too. Case in point ... science has made it possible to provide meat on a massive scale, and now we have 8 billion people. That innovation is not sustainable, and if we continue trying to provide meat to 8 billion, that could spell the biggest collapse of humanity ever.
As for your second comment, my statement was not meant to make you feel guilty, it was just an observation that we need to make plant based eating easy and meat production harder until it phases out. Peace to you, enjoy your life. Note, it's possible to really enjoy plant based food.
Honestly always the same arguments are brought up in those interviews, but this time it wasn't done with malice, he was really receptive and involved in the conversation, great talk!
I really admire the way Ed lets people talk so much and rather than trying to drive his point home really hard he asks the question back to the person. It is very admirable. I had a conversation with a non vegan and I felt sick after because I felt like I totally lost my cool and was just giving like a lecture by the end. Oh man….
Ed went to acting school and then started as a vegan ‘street preacher’. Like any other ‘street preacher’ who has been at it for years he has heard all the objections and answered them a hundred times. If you get his training and experience you will do just as well.
Knowing he is in control of the situation means he can relax and listen.
Ed is unreal!!! I would love to have his superpowers
What an interesting , charismatic guy. Southern mom, Persian dad; I'd love to be a fly on the wall at family gatherings!
Ed does a great job here, and it really feels like he has sparked a process.
With our amount of intelligence, we have the power to do amazing things and break horrible cycles. I feel we instinctually admire honorable ppl and legends because they defy odds and show us that we can do amazing things.
Thank you for all you do. 💚💚💚💚.
definitely another seed has been planted 🌱 thank you Ed!
I’m vegan and from the Middle East A bit stereotypical of him…
All that great lamb you are denying yourself
@@shanewilliam
Nah I'm all good
Ya not many people in the middle east are vegans
@@rondarkman. how could a human have the heart to eat a sheep they’re so cute I could never even before I turned vegan
@@hannaha3469
Because we do and A human ? Lol over 7 billion people use animal products
His arguement essentially boils down to "it's just what everyone else is doing so I take comfort in not feeling singled out."
id eat gruel to save animals. taste is not more important than life. luckily, plant foods (many of them) are actually awesome
God bless you Ed, keep being the voice for those who don’t have one!!
Ed needs to announce when he’s going to these schools. To think I could’ve driven 15 minutes to meet him at UCI 😭
I think that's exactly why he doesn't announce where he's appearing, since us vegans aren't really his target audience 😅
Yea his assistant specifically told us NOT to publicly announce it as this would prevent him from having good convos w/target audiences. Nonetheless we did have quite a few vegans come by, observe, and take photos w/him.
It's really nice to see conversations like this!
Family and society influences are strong. But as Ed points out, you have to take personal responsibility for every choice.
I went to UC Irvine, and stopped eating meat while I was there! Hopefully he has the same experience. What pushed me over the edge was twofold. 1. There’s an In-and-Out right across from campus where I ate all the time. It was cheap and tasty. The pure volume of burgers I was eating created a philosophical question in my mind about how many animals I was impacting just so that I could be eating.. and would I kill all of those animals to have as many burgers as I was having or was I overdoing it? 2. I went to Disneyland around the same time and they had this fall themed area with hay bales and a real life cow. And I met the cow and they were so sweet I realized in that moment I would *never* kill that animal just to eat it. And it sunk in how many burgers I was eating and how I had no connection between what I was eating and this being who I met. That sealed the deal for me and I’ve never eaten cow again.
did you actually calculate how many animals you killed? Its probably less than you think
@@MrJavacash haha no, overall it was probably less than one cow that school year. but it's the thought of it. chickens? way more of them....
he is really crying for help. this is basically a mentorship where you are walking him through how to speak up for himself on how to empower himself to speak to all the people around him who are drowning out his internal drive for change. thanks ed
You are a great man Ed! All my love always. Endless blessings beloved brother! Namaste 🙏💖🌹💖🙏
Vegetarian since birth and vegan since the past 5 years for animals. I’m so thankful to Ed for inspiring me to go vegan. Also the fact that I became a mother and saw a PETA video of cruelty in the dairy farm got me thinking about my actions. Being vegan is easy if you remind yourself of the impact you are having in even one life around you. Your presence reminds others of the moral choices we can make.
🌍 Vegan for life 🍀
❤💚
Vegan is made up propaganda thats why food industry are accepting Vegan foods everywhere now
@@thomasphilip8916 you know that "vegan food" is fruits, seeds, grains, legumes and veggies, right?
I wish I knew you were in Irvine! I would love to sit and watch this in real time.
I hate the "because it tastes good" argument.
Thats all the justification we need. If yiu dont like it thats bad luck. Meat and dairy isnt going away. Not today not tomorrow not ever.
What a nice conversation! It would be interesting to see how this young man is living his life today a year later. Has he reduced or even stopped consuming animals? :-)
Wish I could speak as eloquently as Ed :)
I was a hardcore conservative and vegan hater and it was Ed's TED talk on veganism that petered out my conservatism-driven hatred towards veganism and it just happened almost 2 months ago. Before I was not listening to vegans and thought that vegans were unscientific, crazy, and always spout hatred, until I realized that mostly, it's the vegan critics who are unscientific, crazy, and always spout hatred, arrogance, and mockery. I was so blinded by my conservatism-driven and bible-based hatred that I always criticize and mock vegans, LGBTQ+, and others who are labelled today as non-conformists. Now, am I a vegan? No, but due to the awareness that I obtained from Ed's debate and talks, I am now making conscious decisions in my diet, and I am planning now to be a vegan. I know, it will be hard at first, but hopefully I'll get used to it. Probably, my innate dislike towards any type of burger, beef, ham, pizza, and the likes are blessings in disguise (yes, I don't eat burgers and hams, and I don't like beef and pizza. Ever since I was a child, I've been like this. Before, I tried to eat a burger and ham, but I really couldn't stand their taste. I don't know why). I think, it's also a blessing in disguise that I live in an agricultural country (the Philippines) which grows hundreds of varieties of fruits, crops, and vegetables, and that I am not heavily consuming chicken, fish, and pork in my daily diet. I think, on my part, one of the hardest things to give up is the fermented krill. I'm so used to eating fermented krill/ shrimp paste that, sometimes, I eat that for dinner (of course, with rice). Good luck to my kidneys and uric acid level lol. Also, I don't know if this also applies to the western countries, but we have this "culture" in our country called "meatless Friday", where every Friday, most households and local eateries will cook a delicious dish called "ginisang munggo" (it's a mung bean soup with jute leaves/ bitter gourd leaves and tofu- some would include pork or smoked fish to it, but many people use tofu as it is a lot cheaper than meat). Most Filipinos would eat ginisang munggo every Friday and it's very delicious! Another vegetarian dish that I love is the ginisang sayote (chayote soup). Sometimes, it's added with ground pork, but you can think of other alternatives to ground pork as it is not the main star of the dish. The first time I tasted it (almost 14 years ago), I already fell in love with it.
Very interesting, how you changed your mind after the talk. I hope you' ll be able to go vegan
This was good. Hopefully another seed has been planted.
I agree, and when he blooms we can eat him😜
Meat is what humans was eatting for millions of years and now you abandoning you natural human food which have all essential nutrient in it, veganism is religion created to starve people and cause disease.
@@thomasphilip8916 The way meat and dairy are acquired these days is hardly natural at all. People used to hunt or scavenge for wild game meat and that is hardly done anymore. Much of the meat on the market is bioengineered and loaded with antibiotics and environmental contaminants and often too fatty to be considered healthy and anything like the wild game meat naturally and historically eaten.
Yay Ed! You’re out here in my neck of the woods!! Thank you!! Excellent interview. He’s a stubborn one and kept saying he was going to continue to eat “his” steak. That always bothers me, because that flesh wasn’t his… it belonged to someone!!!!!! 🐄
My man, there's a shit ton of awesome vegan food in irvine and LA and smaller spots throughout OC. Its not hard in SoCal, so many options now.
He was lying about 'trying vegan food."
cows and chickens are bright and cute amen
Them: It's so hard to enjoy food and get enough protein being vegan. It's also really expensive
Me: Lying in bed eating a vegan salted caramel flapjack which contains 9g protein and cost £2 for 3. Yeah, it's so difficult.
Me: Eating a big bowl of home-made French green lentils with 36 grams of protein and quinoa with 8 grams of protein, both bought in bulk. Gee, protein is so difficult and expensive.
@@planetofthevegans880 I mean, that sounds boring af though
@@planetofthevegans880 sounds like a mediaeval peasant's meals tbh. Like if I'm gonna eat vegan food, better eat something tasty and appealing to palate and eyes. Rather than just eat to fill my stomach
@@alexhardy4559 no need to meal shame, bro :)) they just wanted to share:)
@@drsalka nah man I get it, it's just when you're trying to advocate someone to change their diet, something as mundane won't be successful. You need tasty yet healthy cuisine
Taste is the big one. There is no justification for it. “But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy.” -Plutarch (c. AD 46) Thank you, Ed, again, for planting those seeds of change.
Meh, the soup is in the genes, and they continue to live and reproduce
"we're talking about 15 minutes of pleasure vs the entire lived experience and life of someone else". I am actually vegan (or mostly), but I don't entirely understand this argument. Isn't it the case that these animals wouldn't have any lived experience or life at all, if they weren't bred into existence for food? On the other hand, it could be argued that regardless of 'why' a conscious being is brought into existence, they are deserving of rights.
I would also be curious to know if Ed would be supportive of a hypothetical animal farm where animals live an entire happy, 'natural' lifespan before being slaughtered for their meat. (ignoring the environmental/resource argument).
It brings up some interesting philosophical questions that reminds me of the book, "Never Let Me Go" by Kazuo Ishiguro.
Yea, Let's give Cows Freedom of speech and the ability to run for president. They should have every right extended to Humans.
@@nemo2341000 I'm not sure if that's really a fair dichotomy. We can give animals more rights than we currently do without equating animal rights to human rights
@@riley-pepper It's not my opinion that we should attribute this almost personhood state of "someone" to animals. I believe they're somethings. I value Humans differently than I value animals. I believe we should Treat Gods creation with Respect, regardless of your choice in Food Source. I believe both are Morally acceptable Food Sources, in accordance with The Bible.
when I'm doing those discussion, those ones are really the best we can get (aside from some that turn the person vegan on the spot, it does actually happen). but having someone logical and open minded enough to be willing to reconsider their life worth of habits and culture that's something important.
that guy seems like a smart person honestly, hopefully he'll find his own way to veganism in due time, he sure has all the tools at his disposal.
Vegan protein is simple. Beans, nuts, seeds and grains. Healthy whole foods.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 just eat trash,it is healthier than beef or fish nowadays lol
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 wanna bet 50 grand on it? Chicken breast has 31 grams of protein per 100 grams of meat.
Meat poultry and fish. All protein packed.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 make it 200k
Lol yeah we know how much protein seeds have ! Such thriving foods ! Why eat some liver or steak when you can have seeds ! Lol
The kid says “a nice steak”, that shows his mindset. I see or smell a steak and I gag and see a dead potential friend.
Watch "Eating our way to extinction" and "Dominion" on yt. These are really eye-opening films. Highly recommend watching
I don't like dinosaurs
@@rondarkman. what have the birds done to you? Tell dad to buy the milk?
@@ARKSURVIVOR879
What milk
Those are vegan propaganda that only appeal to gullible fools who think you can actually disguise hypocricy as virtue and recieve a plastic halo and a counterfeited sainthood.
Then again, our ancestors weren't in numbers of billions whilst completely annihilating the global ecosystem through generationally-lasting pollution spearheaded by massive corporations, which is doing way more damage than generations of animals would. Animals weren't being batter-caged or shoved into massive warehouses back then, nope. Although plants do give protein, they are incomplete, & cannot be solely survived off of; us humans DO need it in our diets.
People will draw a line thar includes the more intelligent animals but have no problem with chicken. I started raising them at the start of covid and can say with certainty, they have brains and personalities and feel pain. I can't eat something that trusts me and I've always hated eggs, but feel fine trading eggs for other foods, or since I live in a poor, but developing community, I mostly give them away. They free range, I am very grateful to have a large enough yard.
I grew up eating animals too, but I don’t consume them anymore. I’m sure many plant based vegans are the same. It’s a choice.
I'm sorry to hear that. I'm hoping that things will get better for you soon so that you can continue eating meat
*Create a Better 🌎 and a Better You by.................Living Vegan* 💜
Our taste buds change over time, so if we stop eating something that tastes good to us now, we can adjust and won’t miss that taste anymore. It’s only a matter of time. 🌱
you will always crave meat
@@CookieCrisp97if you are a lion 🦁
I don't have any pride an ego of being born human but still I am powerfull and yes i required meat in atleast moderate quantities
Humans also have genetic names , they breath oxygen ,they drink water , they are hetrotropic just like animals and I accept it i will not hesitate if any wild animal comes to kill me because it is nature but society and laws made by constitution i been protected and animals does not
Morality is individual humans state of mind so don't enforce them on other creatures espicially one which are breed to be killed and eaten but if you are worried about environment yes we can minimize meat consumption at very great proportion but if you say 0 meat consumption then it will never happen in my or meat lovers life ,👎
I have been a vegetarian for most of my life now. Over 25 years.
I have to say that I'm pretty sure I look much better than most people I see that are my age. So, clearly, there are health benefits of not eating animal meat.
"It is for this reason that men of wisdom who are endued with penances refrain from eating meat. Listen to me, O king, as I tell thee what the faults are that attach to the eating of meat. The meat of other animals is like the flesh of one's son. That foolish person, stupefied by folly, who eats meat is regarded as the VILEST of human beings."
Bhīṣma, speaking to King Yudhiṣṭhira,
Anuśāsana Parva 13:117:11
“Mahābhārata”, compiled by Kṛṣṇadvaipāyana (AKA Śrīla Vyāsadeva).
Yet all kind of scholars and scientists and the movers and shakers achieved their scientific successes with a non veg diet. Keep your religious texts to yourself doc
@@alexhardy4559 Did you know that in ancient Bhārata (India), a person who consumed ANY type of animal was known as a “Chandāla” (dog-eater) and was not even included in mainstream society, but was an outcast?🥩
So when a DOG-EATER such as yourself presumes to instruct a member of the Holy Priesthood (The World Teacher, in my particular case), it is rather amusing (and, of course, totally evil).👿
Bless You Always, Mr. DOG-EATING beta-male! 😇
I wish Ed would have like a platter of vegan options out on his table too to show people the different kinds of foods and vegan protein sources they could consume because a lot of people just plain don't know. Many people still in 2022 think Vegan = Plain Salad..
Yes, he hardly addressed the "taste though" idiocy. And the guy was lying about trying anything vegan.
it's amazing how EVERY person, including me before going vegan, has the same excuses as if we were programmed, it is always Protein, Society, we've done it for years, we are omnivores, other animals kill for food, I enjoy it blah blah blah... I wish people opened their eyes and see that you can live perfectly as a vegan.
Why then can't children live on a vegan diet? Medical science says they can't -- physical and cognitive damage result from an animal-free diet.
@@joeoleary9010 ohhh wow, where did you see this stuff? you 'read' it on joe Rogan's podcast? there are so many children living and thriving on a plant-based diet.
I am sure there are cases, same as when people only feed McDonald's to their children and they have deficiencies or die.
It is a fact, since 2009 researchers have concluded that whole food plant-based diets are not only appropriate for all stages of the life cycle (pregnancy, infancy, childhood, etc.), but they also help reduce the risk for heart disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, stroke, obesity on children when they grow up.
I'm not vegan but I agree that most people use the same argument
Nope I don’t need an excuse
My taste buds out values an animal life
More power to your work💐
Nothing tastes as good as plant based feels 😁
You can say one thing about this guy... He's definitely.