The Greeks and their Heroes
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I am sorrowful that Doc has left us today and in addition that his plan to read and analyse Plato's Republic throughout the year did not come to fruition. I am still deeply appreciative of all he has left us with, including this video, which I will share! All the best to his daughter and his family.
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I am so sad! He was so exceptional. I will miss him greatly.
He left us work for this year. Eternal homework if you will. Plato is the subject and his republic is our problem. I find that consoling to say the least. The why now and for what is for us to discover.
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Thank you for telling him this. I’d wanted to send him a message myself before he passed, but I just never made time for it. I’m grateful he had and still has such a following of people like you who let him know how meaningful his work has been.
Thanks to you Michael! Gratitude.
I just recently (by happenstance) had the good fortune to stumble across this fine individual and his sage wisdom…I’m can only say I’m so gratified that his our lives (via this channel) intersected…
The gentleman lays it out in a very comprehensible manner that even a mechanic from rural Texas can follow.
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Seeing a professor Sugrue upload makes me want to do a backflip and land in the splits position and scream "aaahhh! " like Michael Jackson. In other words, thank you professor! Lol
Hahaha SPEAK ON HIT 😂
You have the perfect voice to read the iliad audiobook
This was the first video of you that I've seen that wasn't taped thirty years ago. I really appreciate this. I'm not well educated but the way you lecture allows me to follow along. Thank you
One of the engaging academic lecturers I've ever heard.
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Thank You Dr. Sugrue so very much for the invaluable knowledge I have learned as your "Internet Student". Your ability to reach a person such as myself who was quite successful in Business Administration but knew next to nothing about Philosophy before you became my all time best Professor is mythical to me.
I'd just like to add my own personal "Thank you" and express my gratitude to you professor!
I’m so glad you’re making these videos, Michael. The world needs more content like this on the internet! Thank you so much 🙏
Hope you are feeling better professor!
Thanks for the lecture, hope everything’s okay! Will there be a Q&A section tonight?
I believe Achilles represent the greek idea of θυμός and Odysseus represents the greek idea of λόγος and how greek culture evolved from the barbaric culture of θυμός to the political culture of λόγος. Because Achilles dies and Odysseus survives representing the change in values. Basically it's a story about the domestication of the greeks. Its the change from might makes right to political savy.
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I listened to this talk from near Ave Maria while vacationing. Looking forward to Plato.
Great as usual!
Thank you so much ❤️
To me, the Iliad is really like an "action movie" just as Sugrue suggests. Between the witty banter, astounding spectacle, and iconic standoffs it leaves me entertained in a beautifully simple and gratifying manner.
Also, with Wittgenstein, it reminds me of Nietzsche, too. In BG+E at the end, he says that all philosophers have a secret philosophy, an esoteric Ideal that they share with no one. Something to the effect of philosophers choose to look at 'this' closer and 'that' at a distance, etc.
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Homer, the greatest name in epic poetry, has come down to us, unfortunately, a little better than a name, and many theories of his poetry hardly leave us the name. Some traditions agree an Asiatic Greek, probably an asiatic Greek. all scholars believe that poems were not written but handed down by memory .The Iliad and the Odyssey are referred to different writers and sometimes to the later periods of Homer's genius.
Great lecture, Dr. Sugrue and I thank you.
You lost me with the comparison of Arnold Swartzniger. Lol
Thankfully, we have Plato.
I im looking forward to reading platos republic. Did you say there at the end that you should first read some other works? If so which ones?
Benjamin Franklin's 1789 Constitutional Convention remarks.
What's your thoughts on that oration, Dr. Sugrue?
I hope you're feeling well!
10:00 //// Well, how so much coincidental the epidemic comes upon the Greeks, not long before, neither long after, but just after the priest of Apollo left the Greek military compound utterly disappointed ....
Wow never knew how much the experience of my 20s actually related to Prometheus- daily destruction of the Liver can be a real b!tch!
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RIP Professor
Okay, I'm gonna finish this book on Wassily Kandinsky then am gonna read the Republic!
There doesn't seem to be any audio, is this happening for everyone?
Im sorry my friend, it seems the video has audio, might be something on your end.
Double reupload, Dr sugrue. This is already on the channel 3 months ago
Aren’t professors absent minded? His brain can’t keep track of all lectures and uploads he’s given while also hosting an encyclopedic mind. But thanks for the heads up Goofy
@hoosierbaddy3052 I watch his lectures multiple times, so I didn't mind. I also thought he should know
I can’t help but wonder…
When Odysseus opens his big fat mouth and brags that it was Odysseus, not Nobody, that blinded Polyphemus, is that where we get the phrase “Loose lips sink ships?” 🤔
Being from Chicago, Just heard some Laughable Accents.
I like how we still hail Zeus by using electricity.
Around 6:00-8:00 I recoiled in quick succession from the ideas that 1. Achilles is one-dimensional; 2. The Iliad's topic (or Plato's interest in it) is human excellence ; 3. The Iliad collates a previous oral tradition. I didn't watch the whole thing to see what opposing viewpoints are presented - but I wonder if the video might have benefited from introducing the Homeric Question _as_ a question, and some discussion early on of the hero-cults. Very briefly, I think points 1-3 have tended to arise together at an extreme of the spectrum - a somewhat 1960s, somewhat left-wing school of thought that emphasizes literary "progress" within historic context, and the poem as a cultural product of the poet. I take more of an Oxford Movement -type stance that the Iliad reveals eternal truths about the human condition through technical character-writing, and the way it rests on an earlier oral tradition is an essential attribute of all great literature. I mean that works don't connect to each other via formal structural beams: to possess intertextuality is really to float in the "soup" of the spoken word.
Iliad is a cautionary tale of the dangers of hubris.
Achilles is the hero to avoid emulating because of his hubris this is what the Iliad was used to teach first and foremost.
Sorry to disagree with you professor but it is true.
His point is that in later Greece it was not used this way, but rather as an ideal to follow. Socrates was the one who primarily refuted the Iliad as a bad role model for greeks, however it was the standard for every Greek man
I believe Achilles represent the greek idea of θυμός and Odysseus represents the greek idea of λόγος and how greek culture evolved from the barbaric culture of θυμός to the political culture of λόγος. Because Achilles dies and Odysseus survives representing the change in values. Basically it's a story about the domestication of the greeks.
I don't believe the point of Achilles' character is to serve as some kind warning about the folly of pride. I think that's a christian mindset reaching back in time and imposing their values onto the story.
@@Laocoon283 look into Aristotles explanation of Arete as the mean between two extremes.
With this in mind Achille’s role as an example to avoid becomes clearer.
Odysseus also is punished for his hubris against Poseidon.
The Delphic maxims are also a guides to help us interpret the Greeks.
@@magouliana32 I'm familiar with Aristotle's philosophy but this story came long before Aristotle was even born so I'm not sure what your trying to say. Aristotle's philosophy of perfection through balance was a direct refutation of Plato's theory of the forms. He was saying that there is not some external metaphysical idea of perfection but instead perfection was an internal balancing act. Completely unrelated.
@@Laocoon283 Aristotles explanation of Arete as a mean between two extremes was a diachronic theme in Greek culture he simply had the best explanation of how to achieve it.
I am assuming you know what Arete is.
Digitally different haha
41:27 "Homo", I'm no psychologist but, Freudian slip? Come on Michael :)
Thank you!