James Cameron Tests the Titanic Door Theory
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so glad to see an expiriment not ruined by bias… oh wait
I think it’s hilarious the James Cameron is apparently so annoyed with the “room for both of them on the door” controversy, that he conducted a whole damn experiment and made a documentary just to prove he was right 😂
I would've been too cus the way people were testing it out was on the ground with just tape or cardboard cut outs. I even saw someone do it in a completely controlled environment in a pool instead of the ocean with waves and cold temperatures. I'm glad he put the debate to rest lol
The only thing that keeps me annoyed with this controversy is that everyone calls it a door
@@birdiuy149 I always thought it was a cabinet door or sth
@@lyrax1812 it’s actually the panel above the door to the first class lounge
He spent years making a movie so essentially someone else would pay for him to go on a deep sea excursion to find the titanic. And that’s peanuts compared to what all he did for Avatar.
If you didn't know about the titanic, this could easily be from a Saw movie
Damn James Cameron even look kinda like JigSaw XD
Its literally in the movie that the doors buoyancy isnt enough for both of them. Still both could have survived if the girl didn't unnecessarily jump out of the rescue boat.
I say this everytime and no one wants to listen, I'm glad I'm not the only one !!!
Finally someone who agrees with me 😂
No one ever heard us!
Actually wouldn’t Jack still be handcuffed to a pipe in the bottom of the ship?
how would jack get off the handcuffs if rose didint jump from the lifeboat?
"Thus there was no way they could both survive. The test subjects' sacrifice will be remembered. "
RIP stuntpeople
James Cameron: now stfu already
Everyone wants to bring up the size of the door, but just HOW floaty would that piece of wood be? Two people, Rose at 125 and Jack at maybe 160 give or take, that's already nearing 300lb.
Everyone's focusing on the wrong things/aspects of this scenario.
Yup, that’s what I’ve always said! Jack even nearly flips the door in the movie trying to get on it with Rose.
Rose weighed more than 125
Put your life vest under the door boom
If you change Lbs to Kilograms it could totally be achieved.
And you have to take into account their wet clothes are also an added weight lol
I’ve always gotten so frustrated by the “tHeRe WaS rOoM fOr JaCk!” people. They never quite seem to have much of a grasp on physics. They even showed Jack try to get on the door frame in the film and he gives up after almost flipping it.
@@quorented2849 well said
Actually, there was room and they could have survived. They didn't try taking their life vests off and tying them underneath the door, which would lift the door so both would stay out of the water. Something that has been tried before and proved the movie wrong
@@desvexel840What are the chances they had the knowledge of doing that?
@Abaddon the Cat and Sevilla the Dog when I was a kid I did it in the pool with a boogie board (it was wrapped, so water got in and it didn't float like ot was supposed to). If a kid can think of it and the people who tested it (I can't remember the channel name cause it's been a few years), then it's possible they could too.
@@desvexel840 I’ve seen people test the “put the life vests underneath” .. problem- they had a single life vest. Rose’s. Jack didn’t have one on- remember he sank when rose let him go.
Not only that, but you’re talking about an idea coming to someone who is not stressed, uninjured, we’ll rested, and in a calm neutral environment.
Neither of them were thinking clearly at that point, they were just trying to survive. Jack knew he was going to die when he couldn’t get on the board… but he was willing to do so - silently - because he wanted Rose to live- or have the best chance to in their situation.
I remember over 10 years ago when people put tape on the ground to simulate the door and it's size just to prove 2 people could fit. It never made sense to me cus things in the water aren't as stable as the literal ground lol Cool to see now why they wouldn't both fit and that it wasn't just a plot hole.
But they did fit in the end of the short
@@PolarKnight404Somewhat, but keep in mind. When they both were at the piece of the Wood-panneling from the First-Class lounge, part of their body were still in contact with the water. Not to mention, they also need to endure the amount of pain-temperature from the water + with an icy-wind condition. Remember, this is not a warm water nor a hot water. We're talking about an extremely-freezing cold water that could literally zap your life in just 15 minutes or so, not an hour. So even if they did managed to get on the Wood-panelling together or as one. They wouldn't be able to survive like Rose did in the movie.
Dont know why people don't realise that Titanic is a masterpiece because of Jack's death. Jack actually represented the thousands of men who sacrificed their love for their loved ones . On the other hand rose represented the women who lived to justify their loved ones sacrifices with the memory of them . Titanic was already a tragedy with 1500 deaths so would an happy ending really have done justice to this fim ? No . Titanic is a masterpiece. James Cameron you are a legend, be proud of what you did
Perfect fitting reply to those who argued ,debated & criticized Kate Winslet on this topic
@@joannamalini3878 thanks a lot , actually some stupid will always be there to give hate on good things.
Oh this is so frustrating.
Surface area - yea there was room for Jack.
But if he had got on it, it would have flipped Rose off or sat below the surface of the water and been almost impossible to balance on.
I personally think, Jack was enough Brave, Smart & witty to somehow survive Titanic sinking. Had Rose not jumped back they both could've survived & met each other in NY.
It has always bugged me that people think he could have survived. No. He knew he couldn’t. It wasn’t about Rose being selfish; Jack tried to get up and they both fell back in the water, so he made the decision to save her life over himself. The only part I don’t understand is why frozen Jack sank to the bottom.
Because he didn’t have a life vest. Everyone who was floating had a life vest.
@@radicalpinkys humans float, even if they’re dead. Unless being frozen somehow changes buoyancy, he shouldn’t have sunk to the bottom.
@@ShatnerLover I would think it does.
@@ShatnerLoverhow do people drown then?
@davineuskens21 Your point? Humans do float because our bodies are naturally buoyant,
y’know, the whole reason swimming as a concept exists in the first place. But that fact isn’t mutually exclusive with humans drowning.
It's always bothered me so much.
There was "enough room" for Jack on the door with her
The problem is that they both would have been partially submerged in the EXTREMELY COLD WATER.
The bodies litterally froze in the water that night. Just a hand in the water could have been lethal let alone a few inches of water across your lower extremities.
I would have believed that he died of hypothermia on the door way more than I think that he could have survived in the water
She did
He really let this bother him. 😂😂😂
Well, it's kind of hard not to when people are STILL going on about it a whole, what, 20 fucking YEARS later lmao? Jack and Rose CLEARLY couldn't have both stayed on that door, because they would have fucking submerged it, and yet SO many people are dull enough to still think they are. There's making a little error, getting confused and shit like that, and then there's just throwing common sense out the window.
Nah people are annoying as hell, he can’t fit on the door so GET OVER IT! They don’t understand how weak Jack is right now and how extremely cold the water is and that he literally cannot fit with Rose. Jack’s character would not put himself on there for it to flip on them again, he would let Rose take the whole thing. People have no sense of cinema.
Don't be laughing at him.
I too would be too angry that people just can't let this Go.
That door was super light and not designed to hold people. The only reason Rose was able to stay on it is because she was a small woman who didn't weigh much. Even Jack alone would have likely caused it to sink too much so both of them together would have definitely capsized it. With water that freezing, the number 1 most important thing is to get out of it.
Rose survived because the door kept her out of the water completely and the life jacket kept her core temperature from dropping to a critical level. She would have still been freezing and wouldn't have lasted much longer than she did had the boats delayed much further anyway. But if they had both got on it and it had somehow managed to remain afloat, it would have still been partially submerged (as you can see in this video with the water reaching their hands) and that small bit of water would have killed them quicker.
It's maybe possible one of them could have stayed alive with their hands submerged by balancing with their body completely off the door (like doing a push-up). That's how the Chinese passenger Fang Lang survived in real life (there's also a deleted scene showing his rescue) by balancing that way on a table but it was incredibly difficult and two of them couldn't have done it on that door.
So really there was no way for Jack to survive unless he found another piece of debris to survive on.
That's a lot of time you're not ever getting back typing out a bunch of bullshit no one will read
that goes against all common sense from the era of the movie. the door would be heavy and solid. you are completely wrong. not to mention they just had to stay afloat long enough to get in the rescue boat that obviously picked her up.
@@mikechar17 You are underestimating how cold the water was and how long it took for the boats to return. It's stated in the movie that only six people out 1400 were pulled alive from the water. We could assume many others managed to find some of the various debris to get partially out of the water on but didn't survive. We know this from the real Titanic too. Most died within minutes and the lifeboats took far too long to return (due to their mistaken fear that they would swamp the boats). In that situation the key to survival is to keep your core temperature as warm as possible. If even some of their body was in the water it would have lowered their chances of survival. Being without a life jacket like Jack would lower it even more.
They demonstrate in the movie that the door cannot hold both of them and this video demonstrates it too. It's a matter of buoyancy. Doors on the titanic were made of one of 3 types of wood, teak, oak or pine. Teak would not have floated at all and pine would have supported their weight. Which means we can assume that the door was made of oak, enough buoyancy to support Rose's weight but with Jack's added on top, it would sink.
@@Vixin24 im still seeing the guy alive in the video, even at double time. im a cold weather survivalist, so it doesnt go over my head. Ive done cold water exposers, rescues, escapes. One thing that doesnt seem to be coming into play is physical activity. And with all things considered the water temp is likey around 3-4 degrees. If i threw you outside in the middle of winter, and you didnt get frost bite and were moving, your chances of survival goes up immensely. This person floating, torso supported with leg movement, circulating blood likely survives this long. Most people likley couldnt swim. people are routinely staying in colder water than this for double or triple the time.
@@Vixin24 If you are just a joe blow who cant swim well and isnt supported, maybe, maybe, you get exhausted, get cold. But being on a floating door with torso supported and moving your legs, talking, staying awake, you liley survive this. If you sit in the water like a bouy and do nothing, like a complete fool, you will die. Unless someone had like a door they were floating on and gave you a tiny little piece to support you, then you might make it out.
I actually have a critique for this experiment. You'll notice the man acting as Jack doesn't have the metal handcuffs on his wrists. I would think having metal in 20⁰ water sitting at your wrists would play a fairly substantial role in freezing you faster.
He has them.
I love that he did the legit experiment😂 I am no longer mad at Rose tbh. I thought she was a selfish bitch all these years but all along, it was Jack who was a damn hero 🥺❤
He actually hit the guy 🤣😊
Mythbusters actually proved that if they put the life vest under the door it would have given enough buoyancy for them both to be on the floating door
Thank goodness Jack and Rose were both well versed in science and buoyancy. They chose to ensure the door couldn't float. Phew!
And who would think of doing something like that??
@@sarah-annecarney7552 floaty things float its not rocket science
@Damian Nichols It's a joke calm down. They're not real, both actors are alive and well. That being said, they wouldn't have understood that a small life jacket would keep the door level. Maybe I'm wrong. Either way he had to die!!
Except the Mythbusters did it in a controlled environment with an already formulated plan in mind.
They ignored so many of the variables that the characters in the movie were facing like Extremely cold temperature, hypothermia, poor visibility, shock etc.
So they didn't actually prove anything.
The fact he did this at all is soooo cool. I appreciate him.
James Cameron why you being PETTY THO?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I still don't understand why he couldn't survive if he was able to get up on the door. He would have been shivering less than he was in the damn water, and this seems to prove that they could both fit on the door, like we've all been saying all along. RIP Jack. If only Rose had been nice enough to share her door with you
I think it’s safe to assume if they both got on the door, eventually it would’ve sank both since it’s in the middle of the ocean and it has tons of feet underwater. And they’d be there for tons of hours with cold temperatures.
the door is only so buoyant, her being on it alone means she's in contact with much less water than if they're both on it and it sinks down slightly
Physics don't work that way
I don't understand how people even debate this, it doesn't remotely look like it's buoyant enough to support two people in the film, the stupidity is scary
@@robbie5181 it's like tiktok trends
They were literally both on the door in the experiment. Could have huddled together to save the tiniest amount of warmth.
He’s talking about the energy that Jack would’ve had to use which in turn would’ve made him die faster. Therefore adding dead weight which Rose already being exhausted, couldn’t push off. Especially if he goes into rigor mortis (body essentially seizes up) no way of unclamping his hands.
James Cameron is such a dork. But it is also his super power.
There was litterally debris everywhere, and he could have hoped on another door.
The guy pretending to be Jack didn't die during the making of the experiment, so...Jack still survives from my assessment.
It's insane how people even debate on this. It's like physics and panic aren't a thing.
He never said anything about there not being enough room… he just confirmed that the hypothermia due to Leo’s actions, would put him into shock faster. So basically, there’s enough room, but may as well keep him in the water because he’s going to die anyway.
I feel so bad that he finally had to do this to shut people up. I mean they even proved this on myth busters!
Jack could've tried finding something else to float on 😅
They actually did this on myth busters and said they could survive if they had taken the life jackets and put it under the door to add more buoyancy. But yah probably still wouldnt have survied that cold 🥶
Do you think that they floated back to newfoundland on the door? They had to get in a rescue boat.
They would have to tape the life jackets under the door or tie it... it would be impossible to even think about something like that...
Interesting experiment. With the situation on Titanic, I'm sure it took just 2-3 minutes before the real passengers died of exposure. How tragic. A few more boats and properly filled, so many more people would have been saved. What a horrible way to go!
heard its actually peaceful
Regardless with the test or not. The movie showed that if both jack and rose went on the door but as soon as they did it almost flipped over. So no they both couldn’t be on the door. Self sacrifice on jacks part, which love will have u do some crazy things. I love the movie cried every time I see it, watched it yesterday for the 30th time. Well made movie
That "Jack, save me!" from James was the most unenthusiastic I could've ever heard 😆
man made a whole documentery to prove it was impossible, only to show both of them sitting on the door out of the water in the final shot
I've never understood this whole situation or why people are so frustrated by it. It's always "if they could've done this" or "if they would've done that." They never focus on what actually happened.
Jack helps Rose to the door.
He helps her get onto the door.
He tries to get on the door but it capsizes.
Jack pushes Rose back onto the door, nods his head in assurance with his decision and stays in the water.
Rose did as Jack instructed. Jack, himself, was pleased with what he'd done and was hopeful that the boats would return. He didn't complain. He didn't whine. He even assured her that she would go on to live a full life whether he did or not. He sacrificed his own life so that she would live and made her promise not to give up so his sacrifice wouldn't be in vain. It was a selfless final act of love on Jack's part. Complaining about the mathematics and possible alternatives steals from the poetic and heroic nature of the scene. It also steals from the altruistic core of Jack's nature which was what made him a polar opposite to Cal's self centered snobbery and callousness.
They might not have both survived but he could still fit on that door
I'm sure they both could survive 😅
But they're both on the door!!! Lol
Jacques Cousteau would be proud of James Camerons achievements
The real jack has iron lungs he don’t shiver like this lil boi here
*Everybody arguing about the door.*
Me: that's a headboard.
It was never a door
but there was room for both of them on the door!
Hands off to Jack for figuring that all out using is computariez quantum computariez brain in so little time while James Cameron used a whole team to do it.
People need to realize there's so much more to factor in than just the size/boyancy of the door glad he put it to rest
They will reshoot that movie and change the ending mark my words.
Jack!!!
My jack!!! Wait that was Avatar?
I am a firm believer that they both couldn't fit on the door. But! I am also a firm believer it was indeed rose's fault. Jack started to swim away to search for another thing to float on and guess what rose said. She said "don't leave me jack" and this hopeless romantic decided "okay". Just let the man go and find something to damn float on goddammit.
the real thing to get upset about is rose would’ve made it if she stayed on the boat and i’m sure jack would’ve found a way to land and they would’ve been able to see each other like 😭😭😭
LOL He just proved there was Room. LOL
i need to try this ASAP
So he starts shaking and shivering and probably would die of cold...but still he could get on that damn door with her, so there WAS room for Jack
... Depends how you look at it. If you literally mean surface space, then obviously, but generally when people say that there was enough "space", they mean they both could have fit comfortably without tipping the door, which is just not true.
And they did another test aaaaand he had room in the door
Wasn’t about them surviving the cold it was about surviving drowning so the door theory still hols up
There's one thing he couldn't enact and that's the will to live, that can make miracles
Great directing James Cameron. Good acting n testing. 🙏❤
First off there is so many factors they didn’t look at like the wood was treated wood so it would float way better and not in the test cant just half ass it
I think either way one them had to die to appease some wrathful spirit that sought the "heart of ocean". It took Jack cos it thought he had it, but we all know what happens. That's why granny had to give it back to the ocean.
Anyone who knows fuck all about physics at even a basic level knows that that door could only save one. I knew it as a child, before I'd ever learned the formulas... it just doesn't make any sense that two people could use a door as a floatation device...honestly 1 person on a door in the Atlantic would be a fucking miracle! The waves alone!
It's still my plan for surviving if I'm on a cruise that sinks! A bottle of bourbon and a door;) lol
My friends and I had a joke about this for years - we'd say "find another door" when things got tough - for us, it wasn't about them both fitting on the door.. the Titanic was a 28,000 sq ft ship that snapped in half like a damn toothpick breaking thousands of floatable-sized pieces off into the water around them. I know Rose didn't want him to leave her, it was dark & cold, but he could've just found something else to float on real quick! Ugh! Lmao we just wished Jack had survived 😭 true love is all this controversy was ever about! Lol 😅
he could have clearly floated on that door. they acting like they both have to stand and dance on top of it.
It was a moonless night. Nearly pitch black. He could not have easily left to find a piece of wood unoccupied and then bring it back to be next to her. Also, as we saw with the man who was using Rose's head to stay afloat, who knows what would've happened to Rose if Jack left her side. Someone else could've swamped the panel she was on in an effort to save themselves.
The door sank! It was insanely cold. The door started to sink under his weight.
“THERE WAS NO WAY THEY COULD HAVE BOTH SURVIVED”
I mean, you could have just written in a bigger door but okay I guess
So there was room in the door he would have still died from hypothermia though and somehow Jack knew that...
But they also did get on the door frame in the same side. If they had gotten on the opposite sides of the door maybe it could have evened out a little bit. But I feel like if they had both gotten on it wouldn’t have stayed upright. 😕
🤔 I always love how the people who disagree try to prove the movie wrong by not using a similar design of the board like their supposed to.
This makes me so incredibly happy bc the controversy has bothered me for years, YEARS I tell you
because titanic famously only had the one door in the wreckage. No other floating objects in the water.
But technically I think bot rose and jack (especially rose) expected jack to survive cause he hadn’t drowned as was holding on to the door..I think they expected to make it back to some land together so she dint exactly ask him to get in the door
We all know there was enough room for them on their.
Myth busters proved they both could survive
Probably the most unrealistic part is the fact that not a single person actually fought jack and rose for the door. There was only the initial encounter at the start but you would think that that door would be like Shangri-la to everyone is that cold ass water.
Theyre literally both upnon the board at the end though
Still had the wrong sky
There was a way both could have survived. Rose should never have jumped off the lifeboat. Jack would have floated on the door. The end. It was Rose that killed Jack.
Yep everyone mad that he couldnt get on the board. I was always mad that people believe she survived.
I saw somewhere that they did same experiment and their solution bwasvto take off her lifesaver and wrap it around the wood and voila! both survived! 😍🎉
Yeah but the actor didn’t die so technically this is still plausible 😂😂
well they had to get rescued to survive, they weren't going to float around on a piece of wood all day. but they both could have survived because they both would have been able to have been rescued lol. that shows that they were both able to stay afloat and get rescued. yes there is room for both, you just needed to float dummy!
Let's not forget people often survive certain death.
answer was, DUDE WAS SHIVERING EVEN MORE ON PURPOSE AND HE COULD HAVE SURVIVED- also, just doubling the time they are in the water doesn't make sense for how cold the water is, right? I don't get that part
Actually the life jackets wouldn’t let you go under the water
Honestly like if they got on one side of the door then the door wouldn’t flip over and Jack would be alive
It would sink, causing them both to be in the water (even a little bit), which would speed up Rose's hypothermia, causing her to die. Plus, they were tired, they didn't have the strength to keep trying.
Learned recently that one passenger on the titanic drank a whole bottle of whiskey before jumping in the water and survived a long time in the cold water until he was rescued
But they didn’t try to put the life vest underneath like myth busters just saying
Your right!!!
Enough with the door, that wasn't the real problem, they both were soaking wet, and after the titanic sinked, the first boats that came to the rescue was an hour or two. The harsh climate conditions wad the problem
And mythbusters did the same thing with a different result. Now I don’t now what to believe
Rose survived barely alone and with jack lowering both of them in to the cold water they'd be dead both lot sooner
Well, that gives me a little comfort, at least, knowing that Rose wouldn’t have made it either 😂😂
If Jack survived he would have knocked Rose up, gambled away tge heart of the sea and cheated on her while she raised their kids.
You know Cameron could be the next Saw.
He made this whole experiment and got two people through that just to prove a point.
they were both able to get on the door but the guy shivered a lot. well guess there's no way they would have both survived ....
Women have an extra layer of fat (don't use that as a pick up line, they don't like being told that) - but seriously, I'm not saying women are fatter, I'm saying that they have another layer of fat that men don't and thus can handle low temperatures better than men can. More than likely, Jack and Rose could both fit on the door, but Jack would have still died from hypothermia while Rose would have survived just long enough for the boat to get her.
The funniest part out of all of this is that James Cameron was petty enough to make a documentary about this just to show everyone how wrong they are and how right he is XD
You're not married with a wife who's always too cold when you're always too hot.
@@bodyofhope How skinny is the wife and how fat is the husband?
Don't get me wrong, Kate Winslet is HOT and in great shape, but Leo is pretty skinny in the movie, so objectively speaking, she will probably handle the cold better than him.
The both could have fit you know the people are right could have kept each other warm
Though I truly love her I hope that Keke Palmer is watching this right now and she can finally shut the hell up about it
I mean If they cuddled 🤷♀️
Still jack may have survived if the huddled together
Except they both got on the door so… I never said they’d both make it the odds were astronomical and it’s amazing that anyone did. Im just saying Rose could have shared the damn door