Let's not get too crazy, we're just ribbing a fellow hunter who made a huge media mistake. It was just a hunting accident by a guy who should have known better. 3/4 oz of 7 1/2's from a 28 gauge almost did for that lawyer. Ya'll hunt safe, now.
Excellent review...I've carried the .38 shotshell here in AZ for quite some time and know for a fact it is a very effective round for rattlesnakes. I've found excellent patterns at 8 ft when fired from the 2" snub and the 4" smith.
Love these CCI shot shells. Use them all of the time in my 9mm to dispatch venomous snakes on my property in order to protect my dogs from a dangerous, even possibly lethal bite.
They deffanitly deserve a place in your ammo stach. I carry a box of the blue n red both in my tacklebox. I killed 2 cottonmouths last spring when I was fishing off the bank. It was climbing up a hill were I was sitting. Litteraly blew its head off and it landed back in the water lol
Many years ago, when I was actively reloading, I actually made seven rounds very similar to this. I cut off .308 Winchester brass, and then “necked down” the front end using a die... (a washer...) carefully measuring to get the headspace right. They actually worked pretty well... As I recall I used a cut cardboard wad both under and over the shot. They fed.... Most of the time.
The BEST target patterning ever of shotshell . Usually we see 2 or 3 shots into the same target leaving you wondering what the shell is truly capable of.
I carry a 1911 in the desert mountains, glad to see how these rounds cycled through the action, and terminal performance at close range. Good information for rattle snakes.
Or , if your in the mountains away from your home , just leave the damn snake alone. Why you going into THEIR home and killing them for being there . I kill them all the time on my property.. i have kids and pets. But when im hiking or on the river i leave them be . They no threat to you or yours in the wild. Snakes are a very important member of a fragile ecosytem brother.. and if not for snakes , mice rats and other pest would be falling off the rooftops and in every corner. Im not trying to be a dick.. but if you in thr woods and you see the snake enough to shoot it then younseen it enough to avoid it.. let em be if they aint a threat
In many states killing a rattlesnake is a FELONY with mandatory minimum prison time AND a 25,000 dollar fine.. thats a stout price pay for killing something that was MILES from your yard in a area where only hikers and outdoorsman frequent
I love this guys reviews. I'm gathering so much data between him and published data from manufactures. I have been using it to compile a spread sheet of the best ammo for various jobs. Though I wasn't expecting to see shot shells in a hand gun out side of .22LR
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you are my go to person for self defense handgun round person....you helped me pick the Federal Shockwave for my kimber stainless with a 5" barrel and moght consider the Federal hst i thank you for helping me out on all the 45acp self defense rounds out on the market. hell i even got spear gold dot gor my sig p226 in 9mm thanks to you
A very clear, concise demonstration of the practical use of this shotshell at the appropriate ranges for snakes and varmits. Very useful info down here in South Texas. Thanks!
"any questions?" Thanks for the laugh! I have had one of those come apart in a 357 and there were lots of little bbs to clean up. I think those were #12 shot. I also think it was just from the concussion of firing - I only do one round at a time in my revolvers now.
As usual, some of the best ammo videos on youtube. Thanks for the comparison at the end. Really puts it into a format newbies can understand. I think a lot of people see a small cal. shot shell and think it will work for home defense. The water jugs conclusively show that you will sting the bad-guy, not disable him. For home defense, stick to JHPs or frangible.
Very nice video. Good comparison on multiple types of rounds and their OAL. I liked the demonstration with the targets at various distances as well. My favorite was the Tennessee Foam snake, that actually made me laugh a bit. I've seen these rounds before and never bought them because they are freakishly expensive, more than most defense loads and you get less in rounds per box, about half. My dad used to have loads similar to these for one of his revolvers when I was a kid. Anyways, job well done.
No questions, that did a great job of adding that extra bit of clarity some might desire. Something about a 230gr bullet hitting things at 800 plus FPS that just makes a guy want to shoot lots of them and steel targets are IMO the most fun.
something that would be good to have while hiking. never know when your going to happen upon a copperhead, cottonmouth or rattler in thick brush or steep hillsides.....might even be effective against active wasp nests
Planning on keeping two of these in .38spc loaded in the cylinder of the Armscor M200 I'm looking at, as a snake/woods gun. Defensive ammo only in other scenarios.
Good review. I have shot those before and really like them over the 40 S&W and 9mm offerings, mainly due to the fact that these are loaded with #9 as opposed to #12 shot. The downside is that they are really expensive. Unfortunately, you cannot handload the .45 ACP ones. I have found the CCI shot capsules for .44 caliber though and really love loading them myself. Can do it for pennies on the dollar. Great fun!
Very visual demonstration and very informative. I would never have thought about using a shot shell in a 1911. I think if I was that close to a snake, I would prefer a hoe and garden rake to keep it off me and exit stage left than trying to use hardball in a stress situation. Biggest snake danger is Ky is stepping over a log without seeing what is already there. Snakes strike defensively. Cottonmouth here are the most angry and charging type.
I've carried my 12 gauge with me while fishing for years to take care of snakes. Gonna find these in one caliber or another and just carry a pistol instead. Cool video. The foam snake and rubber lizard were excellent props to demo effectiveness. Good thinkin' 🍻
Very nice example at the end about the proper uses for this ammo. I read some comments arguing that this would be effective for self defense, and in a jam it would be better than nothing, but certainly not first choice. As you said it is "light shooting" and doesnt have anywhere near the velocity or transferred energy as a self defense round. Youre going to injure the target with this round, in a life threatening situation you want to put the guy down so he cant return fire. Ive used these rounds in .44 magnum and they do work great for snakes. BTW barrel length also greatly impacts spread.
i have for several years carried a cci shot sell in the chamber of m self def fence gun as a country boy im more worried about a snake than a person but i have no problem shooting a bad guy with it it that does not stop him a hollow point is next in the mag heck it my be enough to stop him without lethal force
so for home defense I've been told hollowpoint has tendencies to rip through walls whereas shell shot wont, but would shell shot out of a glock 21 just piss someone off or would it be effective in making the cease their actions?
Pistols aren't shotguns. These shotshells are for snakes, rats, and skunks that are too close. If you don't want it to go through your house get a 5.56.
Considering that it's lead, I'd say nothing more than a regular bullet passing through. But I think is also has some sort of wad material to keep it together until it is out of the barrel. If that it the case, then that material is likely even softer than lead.
Just one BB in an eye and you effectively stopped anything coming at you. The tears alone would render it/them blind. So if you have one chambered, I wouldn’t hesitate firing it in self defense. And when you are out in the wild (hunting or hiking) in snake country, I’d rather have my first three shots being snake loads and the rest being solid ammo. Just because it wont kill, doesn’t make it a bad defensive round, it all boils down to being smart enough to use it effectively.
Great videos.... I always check your channel for a review before I buy ammo.... You are the reason I use winchester ranger loads in my ccw 9mm..... Thanks for all the great info !!!
Amazing review as always. I've not commented before, but would like to commend you on your procedures. Amazing. I must say this is a cool and specific type of ammunition.. that being said is the Speer Gold Dot your go to self defense cartridge? Still reviewing your videos on SD ammo.
self defense? No way in hell I was in a life or death situation where I was shot from 7ft away with a 12 gauge shotgun with birdshot and I managed to pull my glock 21 gen4 45acp from laying on my back and placed 5 lethal shots into my attackers chest. So if I can take it from a 12 gauge at almost point blank range a lot smaller round from a 45acp most likely won't even knock me down but piss me off!!! and make me show that person what a 45acp hydroshok will do every time it hits it's target.
MAN, You do a really good job with these Vids. You are getting even better! This is good enough for TV! I wish you would let me send some Devestators in 38sp or 9mm though,,,
You keep saying they aren't for self defense, but lets just set up a "what if". Lets say you are in your house at night, and a burglar comes in. Your vision is impaired and you go to find him. Your adrenaline is pumping and you don't know what to do. You come around a corner and he tries to attack you. Chances are, you're going to be shaking, and scared. Having a widespread pattern like this will make it much more likely that you will hit him, and if you hit him in the face, he's blind and can't do anything. If you hit him in the chest he will most likely curl up in a ball due to shock as well. Ask yourself, do you really want to kill the guy in your house, or do you want to disable him? I think these guarantee a hit on target, and they do not have the same amount of energy to travel through walls. This is why I would choose a taurus judge to use as self defense rather than a regular pistol.
my thoughts exactly, you got sleep in ur eyes and ur aim is off due to just waking up. I would say having the first round be one of these aint a bad Idea, it sprays a wide area, has low penetration through walls, and its low recoil sets u up nice for a follow up shot. After that round I would suggest a fragmenting hollow point to finish the intruder before you find urself dead and ur family hurt.
These days, better to kill em than wound em. If you only wound them, believe it or not they can sue you and take everything you've got via the courts instead of breaking in. Dead men can't do that, tho the way it's getting, the family probably could. In one landmark case, a perp broke into a man's home, and was shot, but only paralyzed ... the perp sued and won on the grounds that the homeowner denied him his livelihood, breaking into people's homes and stealing. Better to put em down hard. Actually, that's why often homeowners get killed rather than the perps, the homeowners don't want to kill anyone, so they'll say something dumb like "freeze" the perp then freezes the homeowner's brains out in that moment they hesitate to fire.
tootall11211 that does not sound sound. That post alone is incriminating, its premeditated. Shooting an intruder should only be to preserve your life and the life of loved ones, only if its apparent you are imminent danger, not to avoid a law suit.
TiredOfApathy Yes, you only shoot if in imminent danger, I'm not saying otherwise, but if you shoot, shoot to kill, don't play. It could be said that if your intent is only to injure, then you're not really in fear for your life.
Loved the comparison with the 230g, that is a great way to demonstrate to most what the difference is. I wouldn't use them myself but I was curious, but I am going to go pick some up at the store today if they have some, got a possum problem that this may be the solution.
someone explain to me how firing two or three rounds of this into intruder would not stop them ? it wouldnt kill them no, but it would cause surely enough pain to send the intruder packing. so in that sense, being a nonlethal round, its perfect for self defense, unless your intruder is immune to pain or is wearing goggles,
Jesse Mitchell Yep. And truthfully, I want the most lethal round I can find for self-defense. Not because I want to kill anyone, but the most lethal round is going to stop the threat the most quickly. If I ever have to use my firearms against someone, it is because they are threatening my life or the life of someone else. In that case, I want to incapacitate in the fastest way possible.
Jesse Mitchell Many people continue on with 5-6 pistol caliber JHPs in them. Pain is basically a factor for voluntary ceasing of violence. Pain may persuade someone to quit. Some people ignore pain or power through it, or don't notice it until after adrenaline wears off. This is why LE and defensive ammo is designed to have a high probability of involuntary incapacitation. I.e. they stop, because major systems quit working, not because they choose to stop. If someone is trying to kill you you may only get one or two chances to make them stop. (if you get any...) Are you going to spend your only chance on something that might persuade them to quit, or on something that is nearly a guarantee they will be unable to continue? Then there is the issue of time. Even with a lethal wound, an attacker may continue for several minutes before he dies. A shot which has the penetration power to either penetrate or bruise the heart and spine is far more likely to disable the attacker instantly or within a minute than a surface wound. This still counts as lethal force from a legal standpoint, and still has the potential to kill. It just has a poor chance of doing that fast enough to stop an attack.
I have thought about buying some of these and loading the first round or two in my 1911. It gives idiots the chance to not die when I shoot them, but still gives me the option to drop them if the pain is not enough to stop them.
I am ready for someone to make a video shooting this ammo at a thawed chicken or turkey and show the penetration of the pellets. Anyone still convinced that these would make good self defense rounds needs to sell their guns and buy pepper spray.
@tnoutdoors9 i guess that would also make sense, i was thinking about that after i posted the comment, and then i realized that it might have been low power.. what is the Approx. grain amount for one of those shot shells? because i have a few for my Sig in a .22, as well as my Ruger Bearcat 50th Anniversary, and from my experience, they seemed to be low power. but then again, they took off a Western Diamondback's head..
Lead doesnt ricochet at the velocities firearm push them, lead splatters at high velocities like water. A grazing hit on a hard surface would change the bullet's course (still with some deformation) but a square on hit sends little pieces of the bullet (called spalling) up, down, left, right and everywher in between, just not foward or backwarx
the goal of SD is never to kill, it's to stop the threat, and I feel that the use of a standard defensive load would be the most reliable way to do so....as compared with a birdshot load designed for dispatching rodents and snakes.
Last spring I was fishing for blugills for catfishing bait when a huge ads cottonmouth came up the hill were I was sitting and I pulled my ruger sps101 out loaded with cci 357/38 shotshells and literally blew it's head off. It landed 10 ft back in the water. I keep a box in my tacklebox at all time.
Depends on how much work you wish to do & how many of these shells you intend to use. I used to walk in the high sierra desert quick drawing on running jack rabbits with my old 1911 series 80. These rounds came in handy for the occasional rattler at my boot tips.
Aug 2022 that 45 shot shell is pretty good (product), for me educaitonal video demo today, stuff I di not know. thanks this was a geeat channel when content was created
Lol, any questions? Got to love your style! Great demonstration and thanks for all the work. I EDC a Glock 30sf and have considered those for hiking/farm snake carry.
thinking of tossing 1-2 of these rounds in the mag and following up with nothing but Federal HST for my 45. thoughts? figured it'd be good to have have a cautionary round first. alot of people on here keep in mind that alot of people here say that if u have to defend yourself lethality is the only important factor, but where I live petty crime is VERY common so you may find yourself in situations where it's hard to tell if deadly force is needed, which is why I was considering loading 1-2 rounds and following up with the pain.
Any gunshot is considered deadly force, according to law. If the suspect is dangerous to your well-being, you need to be using real bullets and not birdshot. If not, refrain from shooting. And God help you if you blind someone with you shot loads, thug or not.
Redding manufactures dies to make 45 shotshell loads at home from .308 shells. I found that 7.62x51 NATO brass made better shells than civvy .308. Lots of work to make the shotshells yourself, but they are reloadable & once the shells are made can be reused multiple times. The custom dies are expensive ($200+) although there are plans online for those who might wish to make their own dies.
I use the 38 spl loads on water moccasin. Even aiming at a coiled water moccasin's head at 8 ft from the muzzle, the snake is badly injured, but a long way from being dead. At about 2 feet away shooting at the head usually does the head in and most reflexes are gone. Still disposing of the snake use an implement or a stick to transport it. My gun has a 3 inch barrel. I wonder if those shot shells will function in a .45 ACP hipoint pistol.
These would be perfect for my Para. Especially on that last trip to check out an abandoned, track-side lodge and be met with rattlers on the other side of the door frame!!
Having lived in both heavy copperhead and rattler country I often carried first and maybe second rounds of shot followed by standard rounds is great when you or your companion and I guarantee that even CCI .22 shot (@ 5ft) will make mincemeat out of snakes. Great for anything like rats, squirrels or other small varmints.
In Central America, I always loaded my first round as a shot round against snakes. When Fidelistas showed up from El Salvador, it took me 3 more shots to defend us at 15 yards.
I found this video very informative. I just received some 45 shot shells along with some various rounds I bought from Gunbroker.com. I wasn't sure about the self defense aspect of them. I will stick to my hollow points for self defense. Here in Michigan we have the Castle Doctrine. If someone breaks into my house I shoot to kill, not wound. I too have heard of cases where the wounded perp sues the home owner. It ain't gonna happen here.
5 rounds of fine birdshot to the torso is called "The Cheney".
+Davey Bernard i get the feeling thats really funny but im not in on it.
+Ivan Emrich just google "cheney hunting incident"
+Davey Bernard and yes that was pretty funny.
Let's not get too crazy, we're just ribbing a fellow hunter who made a huge media mistake. It was just a hunting accident by a guy who should have known better. 3/4 oz of 7 1/2's from a 28 gauge almost did for that lawyer. Ya'll hunt safe, now.
+Universal Kombat i thought it was funny. penis head
I'd love to see this stuff run through a UMP on full auto
Sounds like an AA-12 with extra steps lol
probably wont cycle
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I was thinking the same thing
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Excellent review...I've carried the .38 shotshell here in AZ for quite some time and know for a fact it is a very effective round for rattlesnakes. I've found excellent patterns at 8 ft when fired from the 2" snub and the 4" smith.
Love these CCI shot shells. Use them all of the time in my 9mm to dispatch venomous snakes on my property in order to protect my dogs from a dangerous, even possibly lethal bite.
That's what they're for...and they work
They deffanitly deserve a place in your ammo stach. I carry a box of the blue n red both in my tacklebox. I killed 2 cottonmouths last spring when I was fishing off the bank. It was climbing up a hill were I was sitting. Litteraly blew its head off and it landed back in the water lol
Red Elite Defensive shooting isn’t frivolous shooting.
I used 9mm also but stopped. For rattlesnakes it worked to well. Scattered head remains everywhere. 22 just right.
@Red Elite So you eat rats?
Many years ago, when I was actively reloading, I actually made seven rounds very similar to this. I cut off .308 Winchester brass, and then “necked down” the front end using a die... (a washer...) carefully measuring to get the headspace right.
They actually worked pretty well... As I recall I used a cut cardboard wad both under and over the shot. They fed.... Most of the time.
The BEST target patterning ever of shotshell . Usually we see 2 or 3 shots into the same target leaving you wondering what the shell is truly capable of.
I had no idea these kinds of rounds existed. Saw the 9mm video and immediately I was like "I can turn my .45 into a shotgun!!" This is great.
I carry a 1911 in the desert mountains, glad to see how these rounds cycled through the action, and terminal performance at close range. Good information for rattle snakes.
Or , if your in the mountains away from your home , just leave the damn snake alone. Why you going into THEIR home and killing them for being there . I kill them all the time on my property.. i have kids and pets. But when im hiking or on the river i leave them be . They no threat to you or yours in the wild. Snakes are a very important member of a fragile ecosytem brother.. and if not for snakes , mice rats and other pest would be falling off the rooftops and in every corner.
Im not trying to be a dick.. but if you in thr woods and you see the snake enough to shoot it then younseen it enough to avoid it.. let em be if they aint a threat
In many states killing a rattlesnake is a FELONY with mandatory minimum prison time AND a 25,000 dollar fine.. thats a stout price pay for killing something that was MILES from your yard in a area where only hikers and outdoorsman frequent
Not a steep price to avoid a bite out in the wild though
"ANY QUESTIONS" Busted out laughing
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I love this guys reviews. I'm gathering so much data between him and published data from manufactures. I have been using it to compile a spread sheet of the best ammo for various jobs. Though I wasn't expecting to see shot shells in a hand gun out side of .22LR
LOL love the the Dreaded Tennessee Square Foam Snake reference. Great review.
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I think that out of all the shot shells you have reviewed this is the best one of all of them.
you are my go to person for self defense handgun round person....you helped me pick the Federal Shockwave for my kimber stainless with a 5" barrel and moght consider the Federal hst i thank you for helping me out on all the 45acp self defense rounds out on the market. hell i even got spear gold dot gor my sig p226 in 9mm thanks to you
You counted all those pellets ain't nobody got time for dat
Thats why HE did it for us.
Cali Cowboy. Who are you? Jesse Ventura, as Blane in PREDATOR? You - "Ain't got time to bleed?"
Weigh one weigh all of them divide the combined mass with the mass of one and you get the number of shot.
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According to this video, at least one person had time for that
A very clear, concise demonstration of the practical use of this shotshell at the appropriate ranges for snakes and varmits. Very useful info down here in South Texas. Thanks!
"any questions?" Thanks for the laugh! I have had one of those come apart in a 357 and there were lots of little bbs to clean up. I think those were #12 shot. I also think it was just from the concussion of firing - I only do one round at a time in my revolvers now.
Mine too. The recoil pulled the plastic cap off the next round out. You can pull them out with your fingers
Just bought some of these! I can't wait to test them out! Good to hear they cycle in the G21.
As usual, some of the best ammo videos on youtube. Thanks for the comparison at the end. Really puts it into a format newbies can understand. I think a lot of people see a small cal. shot shell and think it will work for home defense. The water jugs conclusively show that you will sting the bad-guy, not disable him. For home defense, stick to JHPs or frangible.
Very nice video. Good comparison on multiple types of rounds and their OAL. I liked the demonstration with the targets at various distances as well. My favorite was the Tennessee Foam snake, that actually made me laugh a bit. I've seen these rounds before and never bought them because they are freakishly expensive, more than most defense loads and you get less in rounds per box, about half. My dad used to have loads similar to these for one of his revolvers when I was a kid. Anyways, job well done.
Lol, "any questions!?" Good video. Very informative ammo reviews.
No questions, that did a great job of adding that extra bit of clarity some might desire. Something about a 230gr bullet hitting things at 800 plus FPS that just makes a guy want to shoot lots of them and steel targets are IMO the most fun.
"Any questions?" love it. love your videos tn
I love the side by side with the gold dot. Any questions?
something that would be good to have while hiking. never know when your going to happen upon a copperhead, cottonmouth or rattler in thick brush or steep hillsides.....might even be effective against active wasp nests
In .22, this used to be called "snakeshot."
If you can see a snake soon enough to shoot it, you can leave it alone and avoid it.
@@williamsiler494 If it's a rattler and it's close to people, it gets shot. If it's way out in the middle of nowhere, it gets left alone.
cool video, I liked that you gave the percentage hit within the 8inch area, helps to put the accuracy into perspective.
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Happy to see that they cycled perfectly in his 1911. It patterned really well at close distances.
Planning on keeping two of these in .38spc loaded in the cylinder of the Armscor M200 I'm looking at, as a snake/woods gun. Defensive ammo only in other scenarios.
wow, this was really cool, and i love how you put the ''self defense considerations'' to rest at the end
Just aim for the face. Blind men don't usually return to mugging.
True, but I still wouldn't use #9 shot for self defense. #4 shot looks like a better choice.
@@kevindotson740 At home defense distances it won't matter very much. Your attacker will get the whole load.
Why not use real ammo and not something designed for mice?
@@rob.3575 Over-penetration can be a real problem. You don't want to kill someone outside or on the other side of a shared wall.
Good review. I have shot those before and really like them over the 40 S&W and 9mm offerings, mainly due to the fact that these are loaded with #9 as opposed to #12 shot. The downside is that they are really expensive. Unfortunately, you cannot handload the .45 ACP ones. I have found the CCI shot capsules for .44 caliber though and really love loading them myself. Can do it for pennies on the dollar. Great fun!
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Very visual demonstration and very informative. I would never have thought about using a shot shell in a 1911. I think if I was that close to a snake, I would prefer a hoe and garden rake to keep it off me and exit stage left than trying to use hardball in a stress situation. Biggest snake danger is Ky is stepping over a log without seeing what is already there. Snakes strike defensively. Cottonmouth here are the most angry and charging type.
Great Review. Im Glad the lizard got away :)
I've carried my 12 gauge with me while fishing for years to take care of snakes. Gonna find these in one caliber or another and just carry a pistol instead.
Cool video. The foam snake and rubber lizard were excellent props to demo effectiveness. Good thinkin' 🍻
what would happen if you filled the shell with wax to make a wax slug shot shell?
jerry vella You'd have something that was still vastly inferior to a proper JHP.
true, but it might hold together until it hits the target and make for a decent home defence round
jerry vella Even a 12ga wax slug doesn't do very well in ballistics tests. Do you really think think the .45 ACP version is worth trusting?
i think it would be worth trying
Youd have hot wax. Pronto. Try 2 part epoxy.
Nice video . Clear audio and visual. Edited well. Shooter is knowledgeable . Thanks
Pretty cool ammo. I'll stick with my 230gr gold dots though.
Very nice example at the end about the proper uses for this ammo. I read some comments arguing that this would be effective for self defense, and in a jam it would be better than nothing, but certainly not first choice. As you said it is "light shooting" and doesnt have anywhere near the velocity or transferred energy as a self defense round. Youre going to injure the target with this round, in a life threatening situation you want to put the guy down so he cant return fire. Ive used these rounds in .44 magnum and they do work great for snakes. BTW barrel length also greatly impacts spread.
i have for several years carried a cci shot sell in the chamber of m self def fence gun as a country boy im more worried about a snake than a person but i have no problem shooting a bad guy with it it that does not stop him a hollow point is next in the mag heck it my be enough to stop him without lethal force
001tonbushcrafting Hollow point and not lethal? XD
A hollow point bullet is the most deadly you may find.
The hell are you on
He saying that the first round which is a shot shell is non-lethal but the second round is a hollow point which is lethal
so for home defense I've been told hollowpoint has tendencies to rip through walls whereas shell shot wont, but would shell shot out of a glock 21 just piss someone off or would it be effective in making the cease their actions?
Pistols aren't shotguns. These shotshells are for snakes, rats, and skunks that are too close. If you don't want it to go through your house get a 5.56.
If your vids aren't educating me, then I'm usually lmfao! Your channel is one of THE best on YT! Looking forward to the next vid...
What does all that shot do the the barrel's interior?
Not sure.. But thats why I've never tried it.. LOL
Considering that it's lead, I'd say nothing more than a regular bullet passing through. But I think is also has some sort of wad material to keep it together until it is out of the barrel. If that it the case, then that material is likely even softer than lead.
sounds legit
So the Speer Gold Dot 45 ACP stays at the top of my list for defense against 2-legged predators. Shot shells for mice, rats and snakes. Thank you!
great vid!
Just one BB in an eye and you effectively stopped anything coming at you. The tears alone would render it/them blind. So if you have one chambered, I wouldn’t hesitate firing it in self defense. And when you are out in the wild (hunting or hiking) in snake country, I’d rather have my first three shots being snake loads and the rest being solid ammo. Just because it wont kill, doesn’t make it a bad defensive round, it all boils down to being smart enough to use it effectively.
"It's a poisonous beast." Haha!
Great videos.... I always check your channel for a review before I buy ammo.... You are the reason I use winchester ranger loads in my ccw 9mm..... Thanks for all the great info !!!
Amazing review as always. I've not commented before, but would like to commend you on your procedures. Amazing. I must say this is a cool and specific type of ammunition.. that being said is the Speer Gold Dot your go to self defense cartridge? Still reviewing your videos on SD ammo.
+AlittleSmokey I run with the Gold Dot and HST primarily, 147 gr. Also a fan of 135 gr Critical Duty.
Alrighty then. Will see what I can find. I do think the Gold Dot was on boss level. I do have the .45 ACP for Glock 30. Thank you once again.
tnoutdoors9 I love the .45ACP 230gr HST from Federal Ammunition.
Great reviews,Thank you!
AlittleSmokey
I personally used one of these on a copperhead once. It turned that snake into snakeburger, & it cycles the gun just fine. It's a handy round.
hot wax in it ?
ouuuuuuuuuuu now there's an idea!!! LOL
I Thank You. I've been eyeballing those for rodents on the farm from my old Beretta Cougar. I was worried about cycling.
I need the box with the picture of the looter on it. 🤣
Excellent Comedy at the End. Great timing between shots, made the joke great !!!
Thank-you, Again, you will be Missed !
Hill Shepherd
self defense? No way in hell I was in a life or death situation where I was shot from 7ft away with a 12 gauge shotgun with birdshot and I managed to pull my glock 21 gen4 45acp from laying on my back and placed 5 lethal shots into my attackers chest. So if I can take it from a 12 gauge at almost point blank range a lot smaller round from a 45acp most likely won't even knock me down but piss me off!!! and make me show that person what a 45acp hydroshok will do every time it hits it's target.
@@stetlan5582 shut up Chad. You would probably freeze up if any one really broke in ahaha
Magnificent, outstanding, completely well thought out test. You are the best my friend.
"Any questions" I almost pissed myself laughing!
MAN, You do a really good job with these Vids. You are getting even better! This is good enough for TV! I wish you would let me send some Devestators in 38sp or 9mm though,,,
You keep saying they aren't for self defense, but lets just set up a "what if". Lets say you are in your house at night, and a burglar comes in. Your vision is impaired and you go to find him. Your adrenaline is pumping and you don't know what to do. You come around a corner and he tries to attack you. Chances are, you're going to be shaking, and scared. Having a widespread pattern like this will make it much more likely that you will hit him, and if you hit him in the face, he's blind and can't do anything. If you hit him in the chest he will most likely curl up in a ball due to shock as well. Ask yourself, do you really want to kill the guy in your house, or do you want to disable him? I think these guarantee a hit on target, and they do not have the same amount of energy to travel through walls. This is why I would choose a taurus judge to use as self defense rather than a regular pistol.
I see your point, but I still wouldn't even think about using these for self defense. I'd rather know the threat is neutralized rather than injured.
my thoughts exactly, you got sleep in ur eyes and ur aim is off due to just waking up. I would say having the first round be one of these aint a bad Idea, it sprays a wide area, has low penetration through walls, and its low recoil sets u up nice for a follow up shot. After that round I would suggest a fragmenting hollow point to finish the intruder before you find urself dead and ur family hurt.
These days, better to kill em than wound em. If you only wound them, believe it or not they can sue you and take everything you've got via the courts instead of breaking in. Dead men can't do that, tho the way it's getting, the family probably could. In one landmark case, a perp broke into a man's home, and was shot, but only paralyzed ... the perp sued and won on the grounds that the homeowner denied him his livelihood, breaking into people's homes and stealing. Better to put em down hard. Actually, that's why often homeowners get killed rather than the perps, the homeowners don't want to kill anyone, so they'll say something dumb like "freeze" the perp then freezes the homeowner's brains out in that moment they hesitate to fire.
tootall11211 that does not sound sound. That post alone is incriminating, its premeditated. Shooting an intruder should only be to preserve your life and the life of loved ones, only if its apparent you are imminent danger, not to avoid a law suit.
TiredOfApathy
Yes, you only shoot if in imminent danger, I'm not saying otherwise, but if you shoot, shoot to kill, don't play. It could be said that if your intent is only to injure, then you're not really in fear for your life.
Loved the comparison with the 230g, that is a great way to demonstrate to most what the difference is. I wouldn't use them myself but I was curious, but I am going to go pick some up at the store today if they have some, got a possum problem that this may be the solution.
someone explain to me how firing two or three rounds of this into intruder would not stop them ? it wouldnt kill them no, but it would cause surely enough pain to send the intruder packing. so in that sense, being a nonlethal round, its perfect for self defense, unless your intruder is immune to pain or is wearing goggles,
Jesse Mitchell The problem is that your gun probably won't cycle reliably.
wjennin1 solid enough answer, best not to have a jam when youre being intruded
Jesse Mitchell
Yep. And truthfully, I want the most lethal round I can find for self-defense. Not because I want to kill anyone, but the most lethal round is going to stop the threat the most quickly. If I ever have to use my firearms against someone, it is because they are threatening my life or the life of someone else. In that case, I want to incapacitate in the fastest way possible.
Jesse Mitchell Many people continue on with 5-6 pistol caliber JHPs in them. Pain is basically a factor for voluntary ceasing of violence. Pain may persuade someone to quit. Some people ignore pain or power through it, or don't notice it until after adrenaline wears off. This is why LE and defensive ammo is designed to have a high probability of involuntary incapacitation. I.e. they stop, because major systems quit working, not because they choose to stop. If someone is trying to kill you you may only get one or two chances to make them stop. (if you get any...) Are you going to spend your only chance on something that might persuade them to quit, or on something that is nearly a guarantee they will be unable to continue?
Then there is the issue of time. Even with a lethal wound, an attacker may continue for several minutes before he dies. A shot which has the penetration power to either penetrate or bruise the heart and spine is far more likely to disable the attacker instantly or within a minute than a surface wound.
This still counts as lethal force from a legal standpoint, and still has the potential to kill. It just has a poor chance of doing that fast enough to stop an attack.
you have never dealt with people on pcp. it is obvious.
I have thought about buying some of these and loading the first round or two in my 1911. It gives idiots the chance to not die when I shoot them, but still gives me the option to drop them if the pain is not enough to stop them.
And if you blind them, it'll cost you way more than if you killed them outright.
I am ready for someone to make a video shooting this ammo at a thawed chicken or turkey and show the penetration of the pellets. Anyone still convinced that these would make good self defense rounds needs to sell their guns and buy pepper spray.
Jeremy Lafary ....... then do it.
Beautiful pattern for snake shot, very humorous review!
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I really hope no one is enough of a freaking moron to carry this round for self defense. But I'm willing to bet someone is.
When it was all I could find yes. But I quickly found a better round.
18 of these bad boys would stop anyone lol
@tnoutdoors9 i guess that would also make sense, i was thinking about that after i posted the comment, and then i realized that it might have been low power.. what is the Approx. grain amount for one of those shot shells? because i have a few for my Sig in a .22, as well as my Ruger Bearcat 50th Anniversary, and from my experience, they seemed to be low power. but then again, they took off a Western Diamondback's head..
Tennessee square foam-snake!!! LMAO :)
Yes, it does add a considerable amount of lead fouling. Harder (chilled) shot is preferable.
i'm glad you didn't get hit with any ricochet from that distance
Lead doesnt ricochet at the velocities firearm push them, lead splatters at high velocities like water. A grazing hit on a hard surface would change the bullet's course (still with some deformation) but a square on hit sends little pieces of the bullet (called spalling) up, down, left, right and everywher in between, just not foward or backwarx
I like your channel especially for your very precise and well worked numbers. This time you had to do tedious counting, very nice work.
the goal of SD is never to kill, it's to stop the threat, and I feel that the use of a standard defensive load would be the most reliable way to do so....as compared with a birdshot load designed for dispatching rodents and snakes.
Last spring I was fishing for blugills for catfishing bait when a huge ads cottonmouth came up the hill were I was sitting and I pulled my ruger sps101 out loaded with cci 357/38 shotshells and literally blew it's head off. It landed 10 ft back in the water. I keep a box in my tacklebox at all time.
great video, I have been wanting to get some shot for a while now but did not know if it would cycle. thank you
yep ill take my gold dots thanks to your vids you made my choice easy the only round i carry is gold dots and stockpile the 50 round boxes
I'd be a bit concerned about ruining the rifling
Any questions?
No Sir I believe you summed that up correctly!
Depends on how much work you wish to do & how many of these shells you intend to use. I used to walk in the high sierra desert quick drawing on running jack rabbits with my old 1911 series 80. These rounds came in handy for the occasional rattler at my boot tips.
enjoy your demonstrations!
Request:
.45 Glock model 41
230gr RIP ammo vs. ball ammo vs. gold speartip ammo penetration.
Thank you sir.
Thank you for these videos. Looking at this as an option to deal with water moccasins
Aug 2022
that 45 shot shell is pretty good (product), for me educaitonal video demo today, stuff I di not know.
thanks
this was a geeat channel when content was created
Lol, any questions? Got to love your style! Great demonstration and thanks for all the work. I EDC a Glock 30sf and have considered those for hiking/farm snake carry.
Wow that was friggin amazing!!!! I love those little killers!!!
thinking of tossing 1-2 of these rounds in the mag and following up with nothing but Federal HST for my 45. thoughts? figured it'd be good to have have a cautionary round first.
alot of people on here keep in mind that alot of people here say that if u have to defend yourself lethality is the only important factor, but where I live petty crime is VERY common so you may find yourself in situations where it's hard to tell if deadly force is needed, which is why I was considering loading 1-2 rounds and following up with the pain.
Any gunshot is considered deadly force, according to law. If the suspect is dangerous to your well-being, you need to be using real bullets and not birdshot. If not, refrain from shooting.
And God help you if you blind someone with you shot loads, thug or not.
Redding manufactures dies to make 45 shotshell loads at home from .308 shells. I found that 7.62x51 NATO brass made better shells than civvy .308. Lots of work to make the shotshells yourself, but they are reloadable & once the shells are made can be reused multiple times. The custom dies are expensive ($200+) although there are plans online for those who might wish to make their own dies.
really want to see you shot Ballistic gel with these... thx for the vid! good job!
Thank you for a well done, very informative video. Exactly what I wanted to know.
I thought the foam snake was extinct. Glad you did not kill one. Good video.
I use the 38 spl loads on water moccasin. Even aiming at a coiled water moccasin's head at 8 ft from the muzzle, the snake is badly injured, but a long way from being dead. At about 2 feet away shooting at the head usually does the head in and most reflexes are gone. Still disposing of the snake use an implement or a stick to transport it.
My gun has a 3 inch barrel.
I wonder if those shot shells will function in a .45 ACP hipoint pistol.
These would be perfect for my Para.
Especially on that last trip to check out an abandoned, track-side lodge and be met with rattlers on the other side of the door frame!!
The your math, gives a better perspective of the round it's self. Thank you
Having lived in both heavy copperhead and rattler country I often carried first and maybe second rounds of shot followed by standard rounds is great when you or your companion and I guarantee that even CCI .22 shot (@ 5ft) will make mincemeat out of snakes. Great for anything like rats, squirrels or other small varmints.
I'm MUCH more impressed with the .45 ACP shotshell than the 9mm. it looks like it actually holds somewhat of a pattern
In Central America, I always loaded my first round as a shot round against snakes. When Fidelistas showed up from El Salvador, it took me 3 more shots to defend us at 15 yards.
I'd like to see the possible internal damage of the shot shell on ballistic gel
Excellent demonstration. I bet the effect on ballistic gel would have been even wimpier.
I found this video very informative. I just received some 45 shot shells along with some various rounds I bought from Gunbroker.com. I wasn't sure about the self defense aspect of them. I will stick to my hollow points for self defense. Here in Michigan we have the Castle Doctrine. If someone breaks into my house I shoot to kill, not wound. I too have heard of cases where the wounded perp sues the home owner. It ain't gonna happen here.
We are loading 5.56 and 300 blk with birdshot that cycles in the AR platform. Soon we will have video up on our channel.
Nope...No questions. That pretty much sums it up!!
I really enjoy your videos. Informative, succinct and interesting.
Great for what they're for if your liking, good product and vid. Thanks for the post..
Why did the green bottle explode and the blue one didn't with the 45acp shotshell.