@@thecalieffect Folks shouldn't blame Ibra, the rule needs to be changed. Side decking should have a maximum time-limit. On stream at the very least. I'd imagine people flaming Ibra aren't very competitively minded. This is the kind of behaviour that should be expected.
I was getting back into the game coming out of covid and decided to play in my first tourney. I had a judge say to my face that casuals shouldn't be allowed to play the game. I want to like the game but the community is so toxic I have no desire to.
I mean it’s the players fault no one called it out the first place. Judges are doing their jobs. But if no one is calling them out and using judges to call out a misplay then whose fault is it? The obvious answer is the players
@weasol judges like that shouldnt be allowed to judge, and should be stripped of all their judging rights and banned. Keep your remarks to yourself, and actually represent konami since they hired them as some one who will be representing them. Honestly, cant wait until somebody says this stuff to the wrong person and it becomes news that konami is forced to address.
@@ennyho1144 that’s not incorrect, however, players in person are guaranteed to miss things here and there, the judges and in this case- the commentators are a second-sixth set of eyes to catch things like that.
6 of his games were won by going into time and gaining life. He slow played the whole tourney. His opponents have posted about him, 2 of which posted right after their loss to him.
@@thecalieffect the biggest giveaway that he maliciously slow played the side decking is by how quickly he extended his hand for the shake. There needs to be formal complaints made to Konami of the failure of procedure on the judges part, they were in the feature match area and there was a giant game time clock in front of them, one of the judges should have said something about taking excessive time for side decking when it hit the 2 min mark into side decking. Failure to perform should penalize the judges because they are there to ensure the game is played fairly and each player has fair chance to win. They all failed to do that by allowing a bad apple to abuse the clock in the manner he did. There were multiple game play errors all day long throughout the event and on camera. Either there wasn't proper amount of judges on the play floor, or the judges they had on hand were not prepared for the task at hand. Fault lays in both the judges hands and Ibra's.
@@thecalieffect im sorry my man i can vouche this claim its not the first time i heard of thing about him doing this im sorry but 3 jduge miss the call and that a shame about the the game that we love
Is he not playing Runick? When has Runick ever been about winning games fast? Man picked a deck that gave him the best odds at winning and won at least 6 games. Ya'll acting like he wasn't good enough to be there, but he won at least 1 game against every opponent to be able to win 6 games via time.
Seeing how Ibra played this top cut, you just know he was utterly abusing this strategy during Swiss. I couldn’t believe he had the audacity to pile shuffle after pretending to side for 5 minutes. His top is entirely tainted to the point of being illegitimate.
I'm sure Jose also played intentionally slower knowing he'd be the one to most likely win in time. Just so happened that Ibra used every rule to his advantage. Look at it this way people "cheat" just for a play mat, now imagine there was better prizing 🤣🤣.
If you're going to say "You should use the rulebook to your advantage," then you should also strictly enforce that rulebook...which means that sideboarding DOES need to be timed.
Stream pressure is 1000% real, I was a feature game for a large warhammer 40K tournament. For 3 hours I had to be on top of not only my own rules, my opponents rules, and stay on top of my own gaming WHILE under that spotlight and commentary and both my opponent and I misplayed at one point. It felt embarrassing sure but that pressure is honestly something not a lot of people get to experience and therefore don’t really understand how that affects the players
Nah the handshake offer was so out of pocket and calculated, Cali just a fence sitter 🗿 Better answer for time in top cut is make em play it out until a win con other than time is met
I like the digimon end of time rules. Both players get 2 turns and you have 5 minutes to complete those turns. If the 5 minutes are up then the game is done. Whatever action you’re doing you complete then it stops and you do the comparing.
There is supposed to be a judge test. But it should probably be updated or do like magic and have multiple levels of judging. That being said I know how to fix Yu-Gi-Oh implementation of choice restrictions. Ie: if you are playing the fiend smith engine you cannot play snake eye with it, you could however play fabled fiend smith and be just fine. Another example being diabelstar and snake eye, one or the other not both, or if you do play both you get a limited number of each card you can play, say 1 fiend smith 1 ash 1 poplar and 1 of the big guy.... but choice restrictions or a full on hard reset as this now becomes modern, and we start a new version of standard with rotating sets that way certain decks don't stay on top forever and ever
I would like to see the rule change, at least for Semi's and Final, to remove time. Let the top duelists of that weekend duke it out for that dub without time gimmicks.
I feel like there should be two timers one for each duelist, and if that one runs out that person loses no matter what the life point count is that is why I enjoy Master Duel more for the timer
@PheonixT-ki8rx you missed AGOV format which was arguably the best and most fun format yugioh has had since like 2018. It's a shame it only lasted like 6 months
@namenlosNamenlos that's nice for you, but the overall numbers prove that yugioh as a whole is down. Which means that the majority of people are not happy with yugioh
This reminds me of the terrible ruling that happened during the Pokemon world tournament. Where the judge ruling gave a penalty to a player that won top 8. Did an unsportsmanship act. And they decided to give the loser the spot in the top 4 instead of the victor who did the unsportsmanship act. And then the loser went on to win worlds. What should have the unsportsmanship person automatically lose in top 4. Check out tricky gym video on this.
The main issue with the format is time rules. Nothing is more annoying than getting hit with a scummy life gain card or burn card as time expires. They need to change it
Without the time rules, we could actually get more significant LP gain cards like Spook Dogg and burn cards like Red-Eyes support that actually swing hard enough to be worth considering as opposed to slapping 1 LP chip damage onto generic board builders just to pull ahead in time then filibuster the opponent for the remaining minutes.
It was definitely intentional bruh, he even gave it a little wiggle room so it looked a little less obvious. The hand shake from gaining life points lmao
I think at a certain point in the tournament the time requirements should be waved to prevent players from trying to time out opponents. Another option could be chess clocks.
That *look* at the end, that is just the utmost definition of a *tell*. It's unconscious and it's out of a deceptive intent. You don't get more blatant as a human being.
Honestly I think the chess timer would be dope but it could be bad too, on the good side you press your timer when you activate a card, they press theirs when they decide they do or don’t have a response. Its active for you when you have priority (your turn/certain responses) It’s bad though because any deck with a big combo could run down your timer before your first turn even starts unless you’re hitting instantly
I fail to see why they don't implement a chess like clock(though more complex to take into account chains etc etc) that works essentially like on Duel Masters we have the technology. that way time wasters cause their own loss and gain nothing from doing so.
The chess timer would totally work. You would be timed in your responses as well. As soon as I declare activation, I press the timer to allow you a chance to respond. This would also allow improved awareness of game state.
A simple solution to side deck stalling is simply have side deck time not count towards the round time. Still have a 3 minute timer so not to take forever but now there is no incentive to side deck stall since it doesnt take away from remaining play time. For the burn damage shenanigans, that is trickier. Dont want to create rules that make it unfair in other ways. Honestly the fairest way to do this is round 3 is sudden death with turn time limits and a reduced total play time. First to get their win condition (reduce LP to 0, exodia, etc etc) is the winner. If that time runs out whoever has the most LP (burn damage and increasing with something like dogwood are ignored in the calculation) is the winner.
time rules are so annoying i don’t understand why it can’t just end with a winner. only good thing i can think about time rules is the deck building choices(other than dogwood). but i’d like to see it removed, i also feel bad sometimes when playing and i need to think or want to read a card feels like i’m trying to waste time on purpose.
Wait, we're debating whether or not a RUNNICK player is scummy? Bro had proven that before that round, before submitting his Deck list for the event, before practicing against the unfortunate souls who he practiced against, all the way to when he clicked submit on that TCG player order after he lost to whatever that made him salty enough to pick up runnick
@@thecalieffect I'm of the opinion things like runnick are bad for the game, and I won't support any player who endorses these things. A hyper generic engine that gives board breaking potential+bodies to extend+ free draws+ a field spell that turns any runnick card into a hand trap+ a time win condition +the ability to banish the opponents deck before they can access it. And any deck that's not named super heavy samurai can take advantage of it. It promotes stun strategies, but can be played in essentially anything.My issue is that it does so much while also being designed to grind the game to a halt. Neither player can do much in terms of finishing the game while one player generates crazy card advantage,while the other player gets their deck taken from them before they can even "draw an out". God forbid they banish your out to fountain or even worse essential combo pieces. It creates an extremely unfair gamestate that is horrible to watch and even worse to be on the receiving end of. And even if you deal with the runnick cards, prepare to enjoy the actual deck they are playing. I love gimmick puppets,my 2nd favorite zexal deck. But I don't bring it to locals or regionals. I loved tear, as a water deck enthusiast. But I stopped playing it during tear format because i understood it wasn't good for the game. It's just my personal opinion, I'm not gonna be pitchforks and torches in anyone's front yard. But I can't support other players who are willing to "do what it takes to win". Same with fiendsmith. Same with whatever BS they come out with next to sell sets. If it isn't good for the game,even if it's something I like I can be the bigger man and accept when something's not good for us as a whole.
People are hard coping when they hate on runnick. Runnick is fine. People hate Runnick STUN! it's the FLOODGATES that are toxic, not runnick itself. That said, fountain should at LEAST be semi-limited, though I'd say limited as it's game warping if you don't have a way to out it more than once, which is already hard enough ro out once given how it works.
I have said it before, but we should adapt Lorcana’s tournament structure. Each round you play two games, awarded 2 points per win. Each player gets to play one game going first and no siding is allowed. You solve the issue of people siding blow outs. Also, end of round procedures, if that game isn’t done and at end of phase, a winner has not been decided, then it’s a draw and you get one point each
Making the duel automatically end in a draw is probably the best solution. The one downside to that is that players would then start to develop a "if i cant top you wont top either" mentality depending on how late in the round a tournament is taking place.
@@M4rk889 Then they each get two points, we would still have a tiebreaker situation in place based on points and rankings to decide top cut they way that it is now for people that go x-1 and x-2. One other positive is that you are technically playing less games and therefore you SHOULD go to time less often
@@RayMon504 Im not entirely sure what you mean. If someone starts acting like they are stalling or something, then you call a judge and they decide the appropriate action to take
The fact that he looked around shows he knows what he was doing also the fact that he started picking up his cards before the ruling was given was super scummy
I think its scummy for sure assuming it was intentional, but the fault lies in Konami for not giving players enough time in the first place, and the idiotic time rules. There's no reason to make it so that a player who gains life points wins, you're literally creating a win condition that does not exist in normal gameplay. Of course that is going to get abused. They could easily just make the the rule "whoever takes damage first" and only count damage dealt, not cost effects.
Pros of Yugioh in my mind 1. Childhood memory, not so important anymore 2. Theme-distinguished decks like Heroes DM BE 3. Amazing core game mechanic with no mana Cons of Yugioh in my soul 1. Lame prize advertising organisation of events from a company it has not made their mind if they really care. 2. The anime wagon carried many insta-heroes that are not drawn for the right reasons into the game, compete, meet people, sharpen your skills. This is why from 4 major other TCGs I can guarentaredee that Yugioh community, even though better than the past believe it or not, has most cheater unclean rude non-knowledgeable child-mentality players, who complain on every format, too few decks, too many decks, cause I didn’t do well, winning-focused-by-any-means players out there! It is sad so heal yourselves buddies. 3. Uninteresting tier0 no-brain formats making their cameo every now and then. I am one inaccurate banlist away from ditching competitive yugioh and I have already started two other competitive TCGs in the meantime. Enough is enough.
Due to the change of game play over the years it's time to update with the times. So matches should be 60 minute matches which gives 20 minutes for each game and 3 minute siding is enough they have timers for the digital game so real play should be the same you can provide a timer for siding or something should be used to manage it especially feature matches
I think 50 or 55 minutes may be better and perhaps a sand dial for 3 minutes of siding otherwise you get a warning. It just doesn't seem enforced enough
It’s worth trying longer match times, but there could be an issue of the tournaments running really late. That being said, won’t know until it’s implemented and put into practice
Top 32 player at a YCS, you should know your deck and the side deck like the back of your hand. You take more than 2 minutes to side? Pack up, duels over, your opponent wins by default. The judges are liable here, but the player was completely scummy, he know what he needed to side in and stalled to get to that advantage, and throwing out that handshake confirmed it. As a swordsoul player for years I've seen this so much, we get a bad wrap for Longyuan 1200LP burn when it comes to "end of time" games.
I think, this became a problem because of the current format, people are just taking too much advantage of time rules, what would have happened if the opponent would have had spooky dog wood, then the controversy would be the Ban spooky dog wood because is a toxic hand trap and not that a player deliberately played slow (witch by the he did), and all this is because the game changed from dueling and bypassing monsters and actual traps to taking insanely long turns build an unbeatable fields (board), and let’s face competitiveness brings out the good of people as it does the bad.
As a judge myself, it doesn't help the cause when less skilled players do stuff like what he did and immediately blame the judge. If you don't know your cards or understand what your deck does, maybe don't play that deck.
Game design being capable of taking 30 minutes to conclude 1-3 turns is the problem. Not the player leveraging the rules. It’s bad sportsmanship to purposely look to cheese out a win utilizing the entire “time” rule book to your advantage.
Time rules have always been an issue. Not only is it just unfun gameplay, but it's inherently toxic. I'm still a fan of the 5 turns after time is called, which is standard for most all card games. People argue that's literally a whole game of yugioh, but like so what? If people are gonna complain that they don't wanna be leaving the event at like midnight, then the event needs to have fewer rounds. Simple as that.
Just spitballing here, and not saying these are good ideas (These are all separate ideas) Bo1 Preside each player starts with 20k life points. (Ban tenpai and cards like psychic end punisher). ________________________ You can only side if you lose . ________________________ End of time rules, each player gets 1 turn at 3 minutes. Whoever does most battle damage wins. __________________________ Extend top 16 rounds to to 55 minutes, top 8 to 60 and finals has no time limit. __________________________ Both players can only side after game 1.(they cant side game 2 or 3)
This is why the chess timer should be implemented in the physical card game. They already started it with Duel Links and then in Master Duel. Doing this will weaken the power of these gain LP or burn LP for time cards because you can still lose even if your LP is higher.
I'm a casual player, I knew Snake Eyes is problematic, but this is the first time I heard players used the deck to abuse the ruling. Edit : Excuse me if I'm being a smartass, but did I heard Atelier Sophie OST as the bgm? If it's right, kudos to the editor. 🍺
I think the best way to solve time issues is change the 40 min matches to 20 min games so potential for each game to go to time but that's still 2 turns plus current turn with highest LP winning it'd put a lot more emphasis on actually winning instead of stalling
Why can't they just pause match time, set a separate 3 minute timer for side-boarding, then resume match timer when both players finish/ the 3 minutes is up?
Instead of us, the players, paying more for these events, how about Konami actually use some of the money we are already giving them and put it into their game? $25 entry fee is plenty. Konami can step up. The players already basically play their game at a massive loss.
The answer to this problem is right in front of all of you. Konami needs to obviously reinvent the duel disk with built-in chat GPT to run the clock automatically 😂 and feature matches should be held in a dual stadium. Duh. Hey Konami! Why hire judges when you can make the players buy a device that has the judge built into it? Mind blown 🤯
He cheated. The fix would be a strict 2:30 times and if one player isn’t ready, shuffled and presenting the deck by that time the other player gets to pick who goes first and gets a 2:30 time extension. This will promote quicker siding.
I only play at a local level and we often judge ourselves, so the whole “you finish your current phase” just promotes slow and stalling play, the game needs to have better rules about stalling because it is by far the most annoying but legal strategy
The thing that makes me laugh about yugioh is non of yall actually “build a deck”. You copy and paste the best deck to win. Just to have a chance to win a…. Switch?!? Lmao
Coming from a background of playing chess tournaments growing up, I can see a world where the timer is taken away completely, or at least upped to 2 hours. I know this might not be as feasible for something like locals, but at a big tourney like this, where you’re playing most of the day anyways, it makes sense to me to just remove the time and let people play.
This looks like an example of slow playing to run time out. And the judges failed to call it out. But to be honest, the game allows this to happen, and we can't hate Ibra for that. A lot of other players would do what he did. Honestly, to fix this, the Yugioh games should have a timer overall, and when players are siding, there should be a SEPARATE timer that lasts 3-5 minutes flat. Then, when that side timer is done, the MAIN timer activates for the game. Similar to when time out, I'd called in an NBA game.
What if you made a rule that in order to win in time, you have to have dealt X damage (Say, 2000?) and gaining lifepoints doesn't contribute to a win. That means Dogwood becomes irrelevant and singular burn cards don't do enough to seal game?
Are we blaming the judges for someone abusing the rules? This is the opposite of accountability “I wouldn’t cheat if it wasn’t so easy” type energy. Not saying he cheated just that this isn’t exactly the way to win and gain respect from the audience/your peers.
Someone slow played against me at a regional. The judge said, the second you think someone is slow playing, call the judge immediately because until they see it, it’s your word vs theirs. They should create clocks similar to Chess clocks. Instead each player should have to provide a clock and it should be required to be sold by or if it’s third party, certified by Konami. The clock should be able to inter lock with another clock on either side forming a typical “chess” style clock. It would have buttons for game 1, side 1, game 2, side 2, and game 3. And any other buttons that seem necessary. Then for example, you both press side 1 on each of your clocks. Now you both have 3 minutes to side. If your opponent uses all 3 minutes, yeah that sucks they are using the time mechanics against you but if they take any longer you can call judge
Such a good take, "if there are officials on stage its there job to uphold the rules". I dont even play Yugioh just like your content but i played a lot of sports and i PROMISE you if the ref doesnt call something no one is gonna raise their hand and say yo i did it blow the whistle.
The current EoM procedures aren't the problem. It is the people who intentionally want to abuse them. Those that use the policies to create an advantage for themselves or a disadvantage to the opponent is cheating. People should be suspended for doing this. The part that is hard to prove is intent. You can only DQ someone for this based on intent. Additionally, Julia has already told us that the judges for feature matches aren't even there for the expected purpose. They are just there to keep track of the cards. If she won't hold them accountable, good luck doing it as a player.
here's the issue: Konami and the judges are actively ENCOURAGING this intentional abuse gameplay play whether it be card design on konami's end or the judges just straight up not calling out players who slow play
People will always use every advantage they can in a competitive setting. It is also a fine line to prove intent without it seeming like a dictatorship.
@@RayMon504 They are not encouraging it. They do want to spend as little money as possible running these events. Card design has nothing to do with this in the argument. Burn and life gain are just apart of the game and always will be. They are apart of every card game. Judges not giving the warnings for this on live streams comes down to what the head judge, TO, and Konami instructed them to do prior to the event starting.
@@thecalieffect That is the hard part. Drawing the line in the sand of slow play and stalling. There is no way to do it without upsetting players. If players are going to intentionally abuse policy, then you are punishing for those reasons. Not what part of the policy that was abused per say. That doesn't mean policy cannot change or be improved on, but it does mean no matter what happens you didn't solve the problem. The problem is abuse of policies. Every TCG suspends players for this, konami just seems to prefer to do it after the fact rather than in the moment.
Nah, the EoM procedures are a huge problem. The turn player gets to play cards, the opponent doesn't (with some few exceptions that don't change LP such as Ash Blossom and Maxx "C"). Gosh, who's going to change LP in their advantage first? It's a total mystery! The current procedure may as well say "if the timer ends, the turn player automatically wins". Which is a BS way of determining the victor.
Interesting you mention chess rules would be overcomplicated IRL (which I do agree with that take) but then we also technically have that in Master Duel with a back and forth timer so it is food for thought
Bruh, Stream pressure is real. Back in one of the PPG final games, which was my 1st time being in Stream ever. I summon Savage Dragon without having a material to attach, and attempted to use effect 😅 lmao. The live Chat destroyed me lmao
Unfortunately given how the turn structure works there isn’t a good way to make extra time work. Life points being the final arbiter is very flawed on a number of levels but most ways I could think to resolve the problem would require a fundamental rewrite of how going first or second works.
When you do your “dont let the beginning of your day ruin the rest of your day” intro it honestly helps me so much. Best intro in the business🤝🏾. The positivity is so refreshing in the yugioh community. Please keep creating content!
I believe the TCG should adopt The MAster duel approach and GIve Timers that count down both sides get 30mins an time counts down when either party Interacts once It hits 0 you lose
Great video. What really makes this situation so infuriating is after he does all the slow playing bs he has the nerve to stick out his hand like he did something impressive. Like he 100% knew what he was doing and was clearly proud of it. Gotta love how Konami lets these cheaters get as far as they do
In regards to the siding time, I believe the timer should be stopped, eg when basketball time outs called by the managers the timer stops. Only the actual playing tine should be timed, and the issue will be solved.
That immediate attempt to handshake was, imo, disrespectful & a clear indication of what his intent was during those last few mins. I agree about judges being on the same page. Konami needs to get a group of long time/knowledgeable judges together to make a handbook/guide full of rules, interactions etc that can be given to judges at the tournaments. Could be sectioned by summoning mechanics, niche interactions, faqs. At least something. They also need to really think about & update the times rules or the procedures for end of match. At minimum there should be a 3 minute timer started when players begin siding so this is less likely to happen again. They should be investing more into the game because it's felt like the bare minimum for a while now.
I wonder how it'd work if you give both players a duel links turn at time. Like, no Main 2, just one of each phase and that's it. Either hit a win con or deal the most damage. It'd at least discourage trying to go to time a little I'd think. But I do think going to time should be discouraged more
I think there should be 2 alarm clocks. One set for 15 min. 3 separate times to keep them on their toes and one set for 4 minutes to ensure the side decking rules are upheld.
@@RayMon504 too many ppl crying. Same thing as pak losing on stream to dog wood then saying it's unfair and it should be banned. Even tho he had dogwood in his own side deck to 🤣🤣
@@RayMon504 Shit I would've. I watched the YCS and DAY 1 I think in the THREE different feature matches I saw them Lacrima for game and win. It was 2 or 3 times, but if it happened that many times Day 1 in FEATURE matches just imagine how many times it happened to people throughout the entirety of the tournament. Even day 2 I saw people getting Lacrima'd in feature matches shit is disgusting the amount of people winning buy burning/gaining life in time.
Tbh I understand the time rule because some players would drag matches but the simple thing to have done I feel would of been to either get rid of the problem with stalling or judges can do their job properly before the time rule I felt players played faster
Really just need more streamlined time structure. Something like master duel where time gets semi added after your turn is complete. And each player gets a timer like chess. Or even just more time in general. The current time may be enough for 2 games but its basically impossible to get in a 3rd game in modern, without running cheesy burn strats
One of the reasons I left the game besides power creep was because of the time rules. I know ygo and Lorcana are different but top cut games get I think 70 minutes and finals is untimed but the judges have the discretion to issue slow play warnings if it's going that way. It's pretty sucky tbh
I pretty much agree with cali’s take. Being a serious competitor, your goal is to win. People are going to do gimmicky stuff within the confines of the rules if the rules don’t change. The time rules have been pretty jank for a long time anyway but the current meta shows why even worse.
I honestly believe everyone was at fault for the mess. The player shouldn't be allowed or even try to resort to winning that way. The judges not catching him doing so and calling him out, and even the opponent for possibly not saying anything and being a little rude to not shake hands afterwards.
back in 2004- 2010 judges with Upperdeck would get paid in boxes of sets. not sure if its the same now but back then it was like that. The other issue was when official judges use to be apart of teams so they would purposely give conflicting rulings to benefit their friends and teams. Nyc regional at Neutral ground in Manhattan 2005 had alot of that bafoonery going on.
I appreciate the video! It's a good topic, but saying in a video that someone (even in your opinion) is slow playing in a Konami event, is EXTREMLY DANGEROUS. We've seen people get banned for something really similar.
Personally, I feel the criteria when time is called is what matters most in situations like this. From my understanding, when time is called, whoever has the most LP is the winner, right? If that's the case, then it's no wonder defensive play and LP gain is emphasized... If you were to judge on how much damage was dealt, then you can bet burn cards would be used instead. but I would think games would be more aggressive, maybe even shorter. I'm mainly a Master Duel player, though, so I wouldn't know entirely...
Time being a problem has been a thing for a while now, and I'm not even sure that this format is the worsly affected by them. However, since Konami decided to implement it, then it should be uphold. In my opinion, the fact that Ibra took a full minute over what is allowed (3 minutes instead of 4) should have been caught and punished regardless of him being in a difficult situation during his siding process or not. And honnestly, it wouldn't be that difficult to fix, you just have to have a judge determining when the siding starts and starting a timer.
Another thing people are not mentioning is he was winning regardless of what happened. He could have scooped later than he did, sided faster and still won. He was playing 15+ cards that win him the game in time. Also its his opponents fault for 1 not notifying the judges that his opponent was talking an unusual amount of time to side and 2 he was taking what I would consider a lot of unnecessary game actions with the intent to burn enough time so that he can have the best to get 1 turn to burn his opponent or gain lp through time max cc.
I never play on competetive tournament but wouldn't stoppping the timer would fix most of these" slow play" problems since there's the 3mins rule in side decking anyway. Please do enlighten me if I'm missing something.
Homie was slow playing like crazy. When he first was pile shuffling, the other guy had his deck ready for cut and he was still shuffling before the cut. Then he knocked over homie’s deck when he was cutting. I’m surprised he didn’t get a warning at the start of the match. He definitely took way too long to side for game 3. He should have gotten DQ for an upgraded slow play warning which he rightfully should have gotten when shuffling at the beginning of the match.
This is normal in a game growing. Always is going to exist people that takes any advantage possible, cheating or not. Yugioh must be open to change their rules anda adapt in the moment we see something like this.
U can hate the games too because some of things with yugioh wrong like the time rules and power lv with cards like ip that just get over power as time goes on
Its quite simple really you run a tornament in a 3 tier structure (One for long ass combo players , One for fast back and forth games and One egg timed.) for the fast back and forth stuff turns are no longer than 60 seconds and the faster you win and more opponent's you play if you lose more than 4 times however your out and games of two rounds must take a minum of 20 minutes. The combo players have 80 minutes to finish 2 rounds and finally the egg timer duelists agree to time enforced procedures aka when time called or egg timer hits the 60 second mark whatever time is immediately started. This way you have the fast format for the duelists who hate god dam hand traps and just sitting there watching opponents for 10 minutes do snake combo , combo format for those who want to experience full yugioh with its annoying hand interaction and then the egg timed format which is where snake eye duelists attempt to do the long combo under a real egg timer conditons aka try to get a 10 minute combo done in 5 minutes where interaction exists.
I never knew about that Life Points ruling to where you can just gain Life Points to auto-win in time. They need to take that away and make it to where you only have 1 minute to side deck. The current time rules are so bad.
@@KatherineBelaribi Take away the side deck then you might as well play one game and not best of 3. That is one idea which would make it to where you wouldn't need time rules, but still not allowed to slow play in tournaments due to stores not being able to stay open past their open hours.
now if someone could go through a tournament and count the amount of rounds / games that were won due to time with burn cards... We'd get a rule change
I genuinely despise the current time rules. I don't think we should go back to 5 turns but 2 or even 3 would be much better. The way it is currently results in to many draws and to many scummy situations with lp gain or burn effects
I thought Jose was going to be the problem with slow siding, but nope, reversed. It was defintiely a scummy move and I would've given a game lose if possible for slow play. Offering the hand shake is just a insult to the face. I'm pretty sure it was this same clip or a similiar one,shown in a video about people not shaking hands and all, but I wouldn't either in this situation; I know it's technically bad sportsmanship, but I'm still not doing it after a scummy play like that.
The whole heart of Yugioh is the spirit of an ancient egyptian pharaoh inhabiting the body of a Japanese teenager and challenging criminals to games of shadow to punish them for their crimes. The story Kazuki Takahashi wrote. Not this crappy game run by a soulless corporation.
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Do you guys think Ibra cheated or is legit?
What would you do to prevent this in the future?
@@thecalieffect Folks shouldn't blame Ibra, the rule needs to be changed.
Side decking should have a maximum time-limit. On stream at the very least.
I'd imagine people flaming Ibra aren't very competitively minded. This is the kind of behaviour that should be expected.
I have known Ibra for a long time since we play around the same locals and no he did not cheat. You need both side of the stories.
At YCS Indianapolis, on stream- a player activated bonfire in the imperm column and no one called it out. Konami needs new judges
I was getting back into the game coming out of covid and decided to play in my first tourney. I had a judge say to my face that casuals shouldn't be allowed to play the game. I want to like the game but the community is so toxic I have no desire to.
I mean it’s the players fault no one called it out the first place. Judges are doing their jobs. But if no one is calling them out and using judges to call out a misplay then whose fault is it? The obvious answer is the players
@weasol judges like that shouldnt be allowed to judge, and should be stripped of all their judging rights and banned. Keep your remarks to yourself, and actually represent konami since they hired them as some one who will be representing them.
Honestly, cant wait until somebody says this stuff to the wrong person and it becomes news that konami is forced to address.
@@ennyho1144 that’s not incorrect, however, players in person are guaranteed to miss things here and there, the judges and in this case- the commentators are a second-sixth set of eyes to catch things like that.
@@weasol that sucks man, that’s why I’ve been on master duel more often than not. I hope you find a good locals for in person events
6 of his games were won by going into time and gaining life. He slow played the whole tourney. His opponents have posted about him, 2 of which posted right after their loss to him.
@@caseystrong9582 damn, that's some serious claims.
@@thecalieffect the biggest giveaway that he maliciously slow played the side decking is by how quickly he extended his hand for the shake. There needs to be formal complaints made to Konami of the failure of procedure on the judges part, they were in the feature match area and there was a giant game time clock in front of them, one of the judges should have said something about taking excessive time for side decking when it hit the 2 min mark into side decking. Failure to perform should penalize the judges because they are there to ensure the game is played fairly and each player has fair chance to win. They all failed to do that by allowing a bad apple to abuse the clock in the manner he did. There were multiple game play errors all day long throughout the event and on camera. Either there wasn't proper amount of judges on the play floor, or the judges they had on hand were not prepared for the task at hand.
Fault lays in both the judges hands and Ibra's.
@@thecalieffect im sorry my man i can vouche this claim its not the first time i heard of thing about him doing this im sorry but 3 jduge miss the call and that a shame about the the game that we love
@@thecalieffect dont fence sit
Is he not playing Runick? When has Runick ever been about winning games fast? Man picked a deck that gave him the best odds at winning and won at least 6 games. Ya'll acting like he wasn't good enough to be there, but he won at least 1 game against every opponent to be able to win 6 games via time.
Seeing how Ibra played this top cut, you just know he was utterly abusing this strategy during Swiss. I couldn’t believe he had the audacity to pile shuffle after pretending to side for 5 minutes. His top is entirely tainted to the point of being illegitimate.
He's just a cheater bro 😂 they are a dime a dozen in this game and a lot of the people who top do it without care. This is the reality
You right but the snake eye dude took 9 minutes for one turn
@@EDTheOneable I guess that's why Konami doesn't bother prizing properly: so that cheaters barely get rewarded making them even more pathetic
I'm sure Jose also played intentionally slower knowing he'd be the one to most likely win in time. Just so happened that Ibra used every rule to his advantage.
Look at it this way people "cheat" just for a play mat, now imagine there was better prizing 🤣🤣.
If you're going to say "You should use the rulebook to your advantage," then you should also strictly enforce that rulebook...which means that sideboarding DOES need to be timed.
Stream pressure is 1000% real,
I was a feature game for a large warhammer 40K tournament. For 3 hours I had to be on top of not only my own rules, my opponents rules, and stay on top of my own gaming WHILE under that spotlight and commentary and both my opponent and I misplayed at one point. It felt embarrassing sure but that pressure is honestly something not a lot of people get to experience and therefore don’t really understand how that affects the players
Nah the handshake offer was so out of pocket and calculated, Cali just a fence sitter 🗿
Better answer for time in top cut is make em play it out until a win con other than time is met
I like the digimon end of time rules. Both players get 2 turns and you have 5 minutes to complete those turns. If the 5 minutes are up then the game is done. Whatever action you’re doing you complete then it stops and you do the comparing.
That's in master duel and dueling nexus basically
There is supposed to be a judge test. But it should probably be updated or do like magic and have multiple levels of judging. That being said I know how to fix Yu-Gi-Oh implementation of choice restrictions. Ie: if you are playing the fiend smith engine you cannot play snake eye with it, you could however play fabled fiend smith and be just fine. Another example being diabelstar and snake eye, one or the other not both, or if you do play both you get a limited number of each card you can play, say 1 fiend smith 1 ash 1 poplar and 1 of the big guy.... but choice restrictions or a full on hard reset as this now becomes modern, and we start a new version of standard with rotating sets that way certain decks don't stay on top forever and ever
I would like to see the rule change, at least for Semi's and Final, to remove time. Let the top duelists of that weekend duke it out for that dub without time gimmicks.
Buddy was 100% slow playing, no question. That look at the end tells it all.
glad i stopped playing competitive Yugioh so many years ago
I feel like there should be two timers one for each duelist, and if that one runs out that person loses no matter what the life point count is that is why I enjoy Master Duel more for the timer
@PheonixT-ki8rx you missed AGOV format which was arguably the best and most fun format yugioh has had since like 2018. It's a shame it only lasted like 6 months
@jeanpitre5789 but.... but... "tOo MAny DeCkS" 🙄
I'm still enjoying Yu-Gi-Oh.
@namenlosNamenlos that's nice for you, but the overall numbers prove that yugioh as a whole is down. Which means that the majority of people are not happy with yugioh
This reminds me of the terrible ruling that happened during the Pokemon world tournament. Where the judge ruling gave a penalty to a player that won top 8. Did an unsportsmanship act. And they decided to give the loser the spot in the top 4 instead of the victor who did the unsportsmanship act. And then the loser went on to win worlds. What should have the unsportsmanship person automatically lose in top 4. Check out tricky gym video on this.
The main issue with the format is time rules. Nothing is more annoying than getting hit with a scummy life gain card or burn card as time expires. They need to change it
Without the time rules, we could actually get more significant LP gain cards like Spook Dogg and burn cards like Red-Eyes support that actually swing hard enough to be worth considering as opposed to slapping 1 LP chip damage onto generic board builders just to pull ahead in time then filibuster the opponent for the remaining minutes.
It was definitely intentional bruh, he even gave it a little wiggle room so it looked a little less obvious. The hand shake from gaining life points lmao
I think at a certain point in the tournament the time requirements should be waved to prevent players from trying to time out opponents.
Another option could be chess clocks.
maybe i just lack sportsmanship, but i would not shake hands after something like that. that was disgusting and the time rules are idiotic
It was blatantly disrespectful. It's like saying "GGs too EZ" after stun locking an opponent in a fighter.
That *look* at the end, that is just the utmost definition of a *tell*. It's unconscious and it's out of a deceptive intent. You don't get more blatant as a human being.
Honestly I think the chess timer would be dope but it could be bad too, on the good side you press your timer when you activate a card, they press theirs when they decide they do or don’t have a response. Its active for you when you have priority (your turn/certain responses) It’s bad though because any deck with a big combo could run down your timer before your first turn even starts unless you’re hitting instantly
I fail to see why they don't implement a chess like clock(though more complex to take into account chains etc etc) that works essentially like on Duel Masters we have the technology. that way time wasters cause their own loss and gain nothing from doing so.
The chess timer would totally work. You would be timed in your responses as well. As soon as I declare activation, I press the timer to allow you a chance to respond. This would also allow improved awareness of game state.
also in that scenario, he could've side decked in a minute, but the whole turn would still ate that time up.
A simple solution to side deck stalling is simply have side deck time not count towards the round time. Still have a 3 minute timer so not to take forever but now there is no incentive to side deck stall since it doesnt take away from remaining play time.
For the burn damage shenanigans, that is trickier. Dont want to create rules that make it unfair in other ways. Honestly the fairest way to do this is round 3 is sudden death with turn time limits and a reduced total play time. First to get their win condition (reduce LP to 0, exodia, etc etc) is the winner. If that time runs out whoever has the most LP (burn damage and increasing with something like dogwood are ignored in the calculation) is the winner.
time rules are so annoying i don’t understand why it can’t just end with a winner. only good thing i can think about time rules is the deck building choices(other than dogwood). but i’d like to see it removed, i also feel bad sometimes when playing and i need to think or want to read a card feels like i’m trying to waste time on purpose.
Wait, we're debating whether or not a RUNNICK player is scummy? Bro had proven that before that round, before submitting his Deck list for the event, before practicing against the unfortunate souls who he practiced against, all the way to when he clicked submit on that TCG player order after he lost to whatever that made him salty enough to pick up runnick
@@jayduel7897 so you saying Pak is scummy too? 🤔
@@thecalieffect I'm of the opinion things like runnick are bad for the game, and I won't support any player who endorses these things. A hyper generic engine that gives board breaking potential+bodies to extend+ free draws+ a field spell that turns any runnick card into a hand trap+ a time win condition +the ability to banish the opponents deck before they can access it. And any deck that's not named super heavy samurai can take advantage of it. It promotes stun strategies, but can be played in essentially anything.My issue is that it does so much while also being designed to grind the game to a halt. Neither player can do much in terms of finishing the game while one player generates crazy card advantage,while the other player gets their deck taken from them before they can even "draw an out". God forbid they banish your out to fountain or even worse essential combo pieces. It creates an extremely unfair gamestate that is horrible to watch and even worse to be on the receiving end of. And even if you deal with the runnick cards, prepare to enjoy the actual deck they are playing. I love gimmick puppets,my 2nd favorite zexal deck. But I don't bring it to locals or regionals. I loved tear, as a water deck enthusiast. But I stopped playing it during tear format because i understood it wasn't good for the game. It's just my personal opinion, I'm not gonna be pitchforks and torches in anyone's front yard. But I can't support other players who are willing to "do what it takes to win". Same with fiendsmith. Same with whatever BS they come out with next to sell sets. If it isn't good for the game,even if it's something I like I can be the bigger man and accept when something's not good for us as a whole.
People are hard coping when they hate on runnick. Runnick is fine. People hate Runnick STUN! it's the FLOODGATES that are toxic, not runnick itself.
That said, fountain should at LEAST be semi-limited, though I'd say limited as it's game warping if you don't have a way to out it more than once, which is already hard enough ro out once given how it works.
@@jeanpitre5789 Fountain is already semi-limited tho
Runnick shouldn't exist.
I have said it before, but we should adapt Lorcana’s tournament structure. Each round you play two games, awarded 2 points per win. Each player gets to play one game going first and no siding is allowed. You solve the issue of people siding blow outs. Also, end of round procedures, if that game isn’t done and at end of phase, a winner has not been decided, then it’s a draw and you get one point each
I absolutely love this!
Making the duel automatically end in a draw is probably the best solution. The one downside to that is that players would then start to develop a "if i cant top you wont top either" mentality depending on how late in the round a tournament is taking place.
What if each palyer wins one game? (obv during the swiss round)
@@M4rk889 Then they each get two points, we would still have a tiebreaker situation in place based on points and rankings to decide top cut they way that it is now for people that go x-1 and x-2.
One other positive is that you are technically playing less games and therefore you SHOULD go to time less often
@@RayMon504 Im not entirely sure what you mean. If someone starts acting like they are stalling or something, then you call a judge and they decide the appropriate action to take
The fact that he looked around shows he knows what he was doing also the fact that he started picking up his cards before the ruling was given was super scummy
I think its scummy for sure assuming it was intentional, but the fault lies in Konami for not giving players enough time in the first place, and the idiotic time rules. There's no reason to make it so that a player who gains life points wins, you're literally creating a win condition that does not exist in normal gameplay. Of course that is going to get abused. They could easily just make the the rule "whoever takes damage first" and only count damage dealt, not cost effects.
Pros of Yugioh in my mind
1. Childhood memory, not so important anymore
2. Theme-distinguished decks like Heroes DM BE
3. Amazing core game mechanic with no mana
Cons of Yugioh in my soul
1. Lame prize advertising organisation of events from a company it has not made their mind if they really care.
2. The anime wagon carried many insta-heroes that are not drawn for the right reasons into the game, compete, meet people, sharpen your skills. This is why from 4 major other TCGs I can guarentaredee that Yugioh community, even though better than the past believe it or not, has most cheater unclean rude non-knowledgeable child-mentality players, who complain on every format, too few decks, too many decks, cause I didn’t do well, winning-focused-by-any-means players out there! It is sad so heal yourselves buddies.
3. Uninteresting tier0 no-brain formats making their cameo every now and then.
I am one inaccurate banlist away from ditching competitive yugioh and I have already started two other competitive TCGs in the meantime.
Enough is enough.
Due to the change of game play over the years it's time to update with the times. So matches should be 60 minute matches which gives 20 minutes for each game and 3 minute siding is enough they have timers for the digital game so real play should be the same you can provide a timer for siding or something should be used to manage it especially feature matches
I think 50 or 55 minutes may be better and perhaps a sand dial for 3 minutes of siding otherwise you get a warning. It just doesn't seem enforced enough
It’s worth trying longer match times, but there could be an issue of the tournaments running really late. That being said, won’t know until it’s implemented and put into practice
@@Team-Goodfellas noooo 😭😭
I also think to make it fair when time is called you should be 2 to 3 turns before calling round this will keep from getting a win by time
@@Team-Goodfellas that was the old rules, and then you are asking for end of time procedures to be about as long as a normal game
Top 32 player at a YCS, you should know your deck and the side deck like the back of your hand. You take more than 2 minutes to side? Pack up, duels over, your opponent wins by default.
The judges are liable here, but the player was completely scummy, he know what he needed to side in and stalled to get to that advantage, and throwing out that handshake confirmed it. As a swordsoul player for years I've seen this so much, we get a bad wrap for Longyuan 1200LP burn when it comes to "end of time" games.
I think, this became a problem because of the current format, people are just taking too much advantage of time rules, what would have happened if the opponent would have had spooky dog wood, then the controversy would be the Ban spooky dog wood because is a toxic hand trap and not that a player deliberately played slow (witch by the he did), and all this is because the game changed from dueling and bypassing monsters and actual traps to taking insanely long turns build an unbeatable fields (board), and let’s face competitiveness brings out the good of people as it does the bad.
As a judge myself, it doesn't help the cause when less skilled players do stuff like what he did and immediately blame the judge. If you don't know your cards or understand what your deck does, maybe don't play that deck.
@OWTLAWSTAR63 I'm sorry buy judges suck at their job. I'm embarrassed how many things they don't catch. And I'm not even a judge!
Game design being capable of taking 30 minutes to conclude 1-3 turns is the problem. Not the player leveraging the rules. It’s bad sportsmanship to purposely look to cheese out a win utilizing the entire “time” rule book to your advantage.
Maybe they should adapt Japan's best of 1 rule, watch chaos ensue.
@ralman88 that's a good idea. Tbr
Apparently, issues are still the same, but time rules needs to change too
Time rules have always been an issue. Not only is it just unfun gameplay, but it's inherently toxic. I'm still a fan of the 5 turns after time is called, which is standard for most all card games. People argue that's literally a whole game of yugioh, but like so what? If people are gonna complain that they don't wanna be leaving the event at like midnight, then the event needs to have fewer rounds. Simple as that.
As a magic player, I 100% believe they should go by the time rule Magic uses.
That was sus. He definitely abused the time rule. This is the crap that makes people stop playing on that level and just stick to casual or locals.
Just spitballing here, and not saying these are good ideas
(These are all separate ideas)
Bo1 Preside each player starts with 20k life points. (Ban tenpai and cards like psychic end punisher).
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You can only side if you lose .
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End of time rules, each player gets 1 turn at 3 minutes. Whoever does most battle damage wins.
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Extend top 16 rounds to to 55 minutes, top 8 to 60 and finals has no time limit.
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Both players can only side after game 1.(they cant side game 2 or 3)
This is why the chess timer should be implemented in the physical card game. They already started it with Duel Links and then in Master Duel. Doing this will weaken the power of these gain LP or burn LP for time cards because you can still lose even if your LP is higher.
I'm a casual player, I knew Snake Eyes is problematic, but this is the first time I heard players used the deck to abuse the ruling.
Edit : Excuse me if I'm being a smartass, but did I heard Atelier Sophie OST as the bgm? If it's right, kudos to the editor. 🍺
I think the best way to solve time issues is change the 40 min matches to 20 min games so potential for each game to go to time but that's still 2 turns plus current turn with highest LP winning it'd put a lot more emphasis on actually winning instead of stalling
Why can't they just pause match time, set a separate 3 minute timer for side-boarding, then resume match timer when both players finish/ the 3 minutes is up?
Instead of us, the players, paying more for these events, how about Konami actually use some of the money we are already giving them and put it into their game? $25 entry fee is plenty. Konami can step up. The players already basically play their game at a massive loss.
The answer to this problem is right in front of all of you. Konami needs to obviously reinvent the duel disk with built-in chat GPT to run the clock automatically 😂 and feature matches should be held in a dual stadium. Duh. Hey Konami! Why hire judges when you can make the players buy a device that has the judge built into it? Mind blown 🤯
I like the chess timing rule. Though they would have to extend the timer, because some deck take more time to set up.
He cheated.
The fix would be a strict 2:30 times and if one player isn’t ready, shuffled and presenting the deck by that time the other player gets to pick who goes first and gets a 2:30 time extension. This will promote quicker siding.
I only play at a local level and we often judge ourselves, so the whole “you finish your current phase” just promotes slow and stalling play, the game needs to have better rules about stalling because it is by far the most annoying but legal strategy
The thing that makes me laugh about yugioh is non of yall actually “build a deck”. You copy and paste the best deck to win. Just to have a chance to win a…. Switch?!? Lmao
Coming from a background of playing chess tournaments growing up, I can see a world where the timer is taken away completely, or at least upped to 2 hours. I know this might not be as feasible for something like locals, but at a big tourney like this, where you’re playing most of the day anyways, it makes sense to me to just remove the time and let people play.
This looks like an example of slow playing to run time out. And the judges failed to call it out. But to be honest, the game allows this to happen, and we can't hate Ibra for that. A lot of other players would do what he did.
Honestly, to fix this, the Yugioh games should have a timer overall, and when players are siding, there should be a SEPARATE timer that lasts 3-5 minutes flat. Then, when that side timer is done, the MAIN timer activates for the game. Similar to when time out, I'd called in an NBA game.
The judges hate being held accountable i swear.
Judges appointed by konami are somehow the only judges that suck ass at doing their job
we should bring back Edison time rules
What if you made a rule that in order to win in time, you have to have dealt X damage (Say, 2000?) and gaining lifepoints doesn't contribute to a win. That means Dogwood becomes irrelevant and singular burn cards don't do enough to seal game?
I think adding chess clocks would help with slow playing tbh. Sorta like how master duel puts you on a timer
Are we blaming the judges for someone abusing the rules? This is the opposite of accountability “I wouldn’t cheat if it wasn’t so easy” type energy. Not saying he cheated just that this isn’t exactly the way to win and gain respect from the audience/your peers.
Someone slow played against me at a regional. The judge said, the second you think someone is slow playing, call the judge immediately because until they see it, it’s your word vs theirs.
They should create clocks similar to Chess clocks. Instead each player should have to provide a clock and it should be required to be sold by or if it’s third party, certified by Konami. The clock should be able to inter lock with another clock on either side forming a typical “chess” style clock. It would have buttons for game 1, side 1, game 2, side 2, and game 3. And any other buttons that seem necessary.
Then for example, you both press side 1 on each of your clocks. Now you both have 3 minutes to side. If your opponent uses all 3 minutes, yeah that sucks they are using the time mechanics against you but if they take any longer you can call judge
Such a good take, "if there are officials on stage its there job to uphold the rules". I dont even play Yugioh just like your content but i played a lot of sports and i PROMISE you if the ref doesnt call something no one is gonna raise their hand and say yo i did it blow the whistle.
10% of the match time to side one game 😬
The current EoM procedures aren't the problem. It is the people who intentionally want to abuse them. Those that use the policies to create an advantage for themselves or a disadvantage to the opponent is cheating. People should be suspended for doing this. The part that is hard to prove is intent. You can only DQ someone for this based on intent. Additionally, Julia has already told us that the judges for feature matches aren't even there for the expected purpose. They are just there to keep track of the cards. If she won't hold them accountable, good luck doing it as a player.
here's the issue: Konami and the judges are actively ENCOURAGING this intentional abuse gameplay play whether it be card design on konami's end or the judges just straight up not calling out players who slow play
People will always use every advantage they can in a competitive setting. It is also a fine line to prove intent without it seeming like a dictatorship.
@@RayMon504 They are not encouraging it. They do want to spend as little money as possible running these events. Card design has nothing to do with this in the argument. Burn and life gain are just apart of the game and always will be. They are apart of every card game. Judges not giving the warnings for this on live streams comes down to what the head judge, TO, and Konami instructed them to do prior to the event starting.
@@thecalieffect That is the hard part. Drawing the line in the sand of slow play and stalling. There is no way to do it without upsetting players. If players are going to intentionally abuse policy, then you are punishing for those reasons. Not what part of the policy that was abused per say. That doesn't mean policy cannot change or be improved on, but it does mean no matter what happens you didn't solve the problem. The problem is abuse of policies. Every TCG suspends players for this, konami just seems to prefer to do it after the fact rather than in the moment.
Nah, the EoM procedures are a huge problem. The turn player gets to play cards, the opponent doesn't (with some few exceptions that don't change LP such as Ash Blossom and Maxx "C"). Gosh, who's going to change LP in their advantage first? It's a total mystery! The current procedure may as well say "if the timer ends, the turn player automatically wins". Which is a BS way of determining the victor.
Interesting you mention chess rules would be overcomplicated IRL (which I do agree with that take) but then we also technically have that in Master Duel with a back and forth timer so it is food for thought
Master Duel isn't really the same as TCG. There's a bit more nuance.
Bruh, Stream pressure is real. Back in one of the PPG final games, which was my 1st time being in Stream ever. I summon Savage Dragon without having a material to attach, and attempted to use effect 😅 lmao. The live Chat destroyed me lmao
Unfortunately given how the turn structure works there isn’t a good way to make extra time work. Life points being the final arbiter is very flawed on a number of levels but most ways I could think to resolve the problem would require a fundamental rewrite of how going first or second works.
When you do your “dont let the beginning of your day ruin the rest of your day” intro it honestly helps me so much. Best intro in the business🤝🏾. The positivity is so refreshing in the yugioh community. Please keep creating content!
I believe the TCG should adopt The MAster duel approach and GIve Timers that count down both sides get 30mins an time counts down when either party Interacts once It hits 0 you lose
Great video. What really makes this situation so infuriating is after he does all the slow playing bs he has the nerve to stick out his hand like he did something impressive. Like he 100% knew what he was doing and was clearly proud of it. Gotta love how Konami lets these cheaters get as far as they do
In regards to the siding time, I believe the timer should be stopped, eg when basketball time outs called by the managers the timer stops. Only the actual playing tine should be timed, and the issue will be solved.
That immediate attempt to handshake was, imo, disrespectful & a clear indication of what his intent was during those last few mins.
I agree about judges being on the same page. Konami needs to get a group of long time/knowledgeable judges together to make a handbook/guide full of rules, interactions etc that can be given to judges at the tournaments. Could be sectioned by summoning mechanics, niche interactions, faqs. At least something.
They also need to really think about & update the times rules or the procedures for end of match. At minimum there should be a 3 minute timer started when players begin siding so this is less likely to happen again.
They should be investing more into the game because it's felt like the bare minimum for a while now.
I wonder how it'd work if you give both players a duel links turn at time. Like, no Main 2, just one of each phase and that's it. Either hit a win con or deal the most damage. It'd at least discourage trying to go to time a little I'd think. But I do think going to time should be discouraged more
I think there should be 2 alarm clocks. One set for 15 min. 3 separate times to keep them on their toes and one set for 4 minutes to ensure the side decking rules are upheld.
I was at the YCS and the time extensions were ridiculous. It was like 25-30 min each post round. Takes way too long.
if it wasnt a runick player then there would be no debate
100% correct. As stated in the video the snake eyes player was gonna do the exact same thing via lacrima and most players wouldnt have batted an eye.
@@RayMon504 too many ppl crying. Same thing as pak losing on stream to dog wood then saying it's unfair and it should be banned. Even tho he had dogwood in his own side deck to 🤣🤣
so true , Runick players are so boring to play against
@@RayMon504 Shit I would've. I watched the YCS and DAY 1 I think in the THREE different feature matches I saw them Lacrima for game and win. It was 2 or 3 times, but if it happened that many times Day 1 in FEATURE matches just imagine how many times it happened to people throughout the entirety of the tournament. Even day 2 I saw people getting Lacrima'd in feature matches shit is disgusting the amount of people winning buy burning/gaining life in time.
Tbh I understand the time rule because some players would drag matches but the simple thing to have done I feel would of been to either get rid of the problem with stalling or judges can do their job properly before the time rule I felt players played faster
Really just need more streamlined time structure.
Something like master duel where time gets semi added after your turn is complete. And each player gets a timer like chess.
Or even just more time in general. The current time may be enough for 2 games but its basically impossible to get in a 3rd game in modern, without running cheesy burn strats
A summoning limit would cut down on long turns. No one wants to sit there watching you summon 10+ times.
One of the reasons I left the game besides power creep was because of the time rules. I know ygo and Lorcana are different but top cut games get I think 70 minutes and finals is untimed but the judges have the discretion to issue slow play warnings if it's going that way. It's pretty sucky tbh
I pretty much agree with cali’s take. Being a serious competitor, your goal is to win. People are going to do gimmicky stuff within the confines of the rules if the rules don’t change. The time rules have been pretty jank for a long time anyway but the current meta shows why even worse.
I honestly believe everyone was at fault for the mess. The player shouldn't be allowed or even try to resort to winning that way. The judges not catching him doing so and calling him out, and even the opponent for possibly not saying anything and being a little rude to not shake hands afterwards.
what a surprise time rules f-up players....and runick players making the games unplayable bad who could've seen this happen
back in 2004- 2010 judges with Upperdeck would get paid in boxes of sets. not sure if its the same now but back then it was like that. The other issue was when official judges use to be apart of teams so they would purposely give conflicting rulings to benefit their friends and teams. Nyc regional at Neutral ground in Manhattan 2005 had alot of that bafoonery going on.
I appreciate the video! It's a good topic, but saying in a video that someone (even in your opinion) is slow playing in a Konami event, is EXTREMLY DANGEROUS. We've seen people get banned for something really similar.
Personally, I feel the criteria when time is called is what matters most in situations like this. From my understanding, when time is called, whoever has the most LP is the winner, right?
If that's the case, then it's no wonder defensive play and LP gain is emphasized...
If you were to judge on how much damage was dealt, then you can bet burn cards would be used instead. but I would think games would be more aggressive, maybe even shorter.
I'm mainly a Master Duel player, though, so I wouldn't know entirely...
Time being a problem has been a thing for a while now, and I'm not even sure that this format is the worsly affected by them. However, since Konami decided to implement it, then it should be uphold. In my opinion, the fact that Ibra took a full minute over what is allowed (3 minutes instead of 4) should have been caught and punished regardless of him being in a difficult situation during his siding process or not.
And honnestly, it wouldn't be that difficult to fix, you just have to have a judge determining when the siding starts and starting a timer.
Another thing people are not mentioning is he was winning regardless of what happened. He could have scooped later than he did, sided faster and still won. He was playing 15+ cards that win him the game in time.
Also its his opponents fault for 1 not notifying the judges that his opponent was talking an unusual amount of time to side and 2 he was taking what I would consider a lot of unnecessary game actions with the intent to burn enough time so that he can have the best to get 1 turn to burn his opponent or gain lp through time max cc.
I never play on competetive tournament but wouldn't stoppping the timer would fix most of these" slow play" problems since there's the 3mins rule in side decking anyway. Please do enlighten me if I'm missing something.
I feel like we need turn timers to prevent stall and over complicated combos time wasting.
Uphold between side decking time.
Homie was slow playing like crazy. When he first was pile shuffling, the other guy had his deck ready for cut and he was still shuffling before the cut. Then he knocked over homie’s deck when he was cutting. I’m surprised he didn’t get a warning at the start of the match. He definitely took way too long to side for game 3. He should have gotten DQ for an upgraded slow play warning which he rightfully should have gotten when shuffling at the beginning of the match.
This is normal in a game growing. Always is going to exist people that takes any advantage possible, cheating or not. Yugioh must be open to change their rules anda adapt in the moment we see something like this.
9:36 Before i even hear your response, this is exactly what the game needs...
Don’t hate the player, hate the game 🤷♂️
hate the game AND the player
U can hate the games too because some of things with yugioh wrong like the time rules and power lv with cards like ip that just get over power as time goes on
How about when side deck starts the time pauses?And it's a separate time for side decking
Its quite simple really you run a tornament in a 3 tier structure (One for long ass combo players , One for fast back and forth games and One egg timed.) for the fast back and forth stuff turns are no longer than 60 seconds and the faster you win and more opponent's you play if you lose more than 4 times however your out and games of two rounds must take a minum of 20 minutes. The combo players have 80 minutes to finish 2 rounds and finally the egg timer duelists agree to time enforced procedures aka when time called or egg timer hits the 60 second mark whatever time is immediately started. This way you have the fast format for the duelists who hate god dam hand traps and just sitting there watching opponents for 10 minutes do snake combo , combo format for those who want to experience full yugioh with its annoying hand interaction and then the egg timed format which is where snake eye duelists attempt to do the long combo under a real egg timer conditons aka try to get a 10 minute combo done in 5 minutes where interaction exists.
Having a chess timer would be a great idea. Make it like how they do it in Master Duel. Give each player 25 minutes
This also just feels like Konami's crappy card design and poor banlist not being cognizant of how Time rules work yet again.
Between masterflop servers and the state of paper. Komoney needs to
FIX. THEIR. GAME.
I never knew about that Life Points ruling to where you can just gain Life Points to auto-win in time. They need to take that away and make it to where you only have 1 minute to side deck. The current time rules are so bad.
Time rules should be no one is allowed to side.
@@KatherineBelaribi Take away the side deck then you might as well play one game and not best of 3. That is one idea which would make it to where you wouldn't need time rules, but still not allowed to slow play in tournaments due to stores not being able to stay open past their open hours.
now if someone could go through a tournament and count the amount of rounds / games that were won due to time with burn cards... We'd get a rule change
I genuinely despise the current time rules. I don't think we should go back to 5 turns but 2 or even 3 would be much better. The way it is currently results in to many draws and to many scummy situations with lp gain or burn effects
I thought Jose was going to be the problem with slow siding, but nope, reversed. It was defintiely a scummy move and I would've given a game lose if possible for slow play. Offering the hand shake is just a insult to the face. I'm pretty sure it was this same clip or a similiar one,shown in a video about people not shaking hands and all, but I wouldn't either in this situation; I know it's technically bad sportsmanship, but I'm still not doing it after a scummy play like that.
This is lowkey the whole heart of yugioh.
Doing sneaky stuff like this to win
The whole heart of Yugioh is the spirit of an ancient egyptian pharaoh inhabiting the body of a Japanese teenager and challenging criminals to games of shadow to punish them for their crimes. The story Kazuki Takahashi wrote. Not this crappy game run by a soulless corporation.