I was sexually abused by my father. No one believed me even though he was terrible. I turned to drugs and alcohol for relief. I am now 54 and only smoke pot, which is a minor miracle. My brother committed suicide I feel due to the abuse by my father. Trauma causes multiple kinds of illness in a person.
Your bravery and discretion in addressing this subject matter are to be commended. I don't follow any of these people, so thanks for wading into the swamp and pointing out the pitfalls.
Thank you so much for this comment! ❤ This was a pretty difficult topic for me to talk about, so I really appreciate everyone who took the time to watch!!
Never idolize people. Just enjoy the work someone does and see it separate from the person. Humans are flawed. ALL of them. Some do or make great things, but they are still flawed.
@@slither7760 Nah. If you want to go to the extreme as to not even wanting to pay for their work, you can always pirate it. But then you will also potentially not get new work. So that's a double edged sword. Also that's why I say:"Never idolize people." If you don't get emotionally invested in the person, it's much easier to just appreciate the art they make. Invest your emotions on the people around you that matter, not on everyone else in the world. You'll live a much happier and less stressful life.
@@Zeitgeist6 You can't separate a sculptor from the sculptures any more than a writer from their works. their experiences, feelings and thoughts will always show in their writing. however, like you said pirating is a good choice for those who want to enjoy the media but not support the creator. it's a rough time for the victim and we should all try to not engage with his works or pirate and not engage in fandom as to not give gaiman free publicity thru it
@@slither7760 Well, your never going to read a book, watch a movie or listen to music ever again. They're all imperfect human beings having said something, done something or believe something you or I would consider morally reprehensible. They say you should never meet your idles as they always fall short of our expectations.
The problem with separating Gaiman from his writing is his sexual proclivities are throughout his work. I’m just unable to enjoy his writing anymore. That’s just me personally though. I don’t judge anyone for what they read.
I am with you all the way. Just put all my Gaiman comics in the free bin outside. Energy is energy and I don't want that kind of energy. No more excuses. Let's move into an age of responsibility. No one has it figured out and making mistakes is part of this life.
Not looking like a predator is such a weird thing to say, especially with people like Ted Bundy, who was literally know to be charming and charismatic. Looks doesn't make a bad person, actions however do.
I agree. I think some people have a hard time wrestling with the fact that someone they like/could be attracted to could end up being a bad person. But at the end of the day, it's our actions that define us.
Thank you for making this. You've articulated so well exactly all the nuance of what's wrong about this situation, outside of the allegations themselves. I was in the middle of making a video about Sandman when I found out, and felt quite blindsided. I've wanted to talk about it, but haven't felt like I could do it justice. You most certainly have.
Thank you so much for this comment. I really appreciate it. These events have taken a lot of us back, for sure, but it's still important to talk about. If you really want to and have the energy to do so, you should definitely make a video yourself! If not, that's okay too!
The Alice Munro thing reminds me of the Marion Zimmer Bradley situation, although Bradley may have been even more of a monster. The art/artist thing is difficult and personal. I know I wrestle with it a lot, and I can't claim that I'm consistent with it. I enjoy reading H.P. Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard, even though both men had ideas I find reprehensible. But after the truth about M.A.R. Barker came out a couple years ago, I dropped his books completely. I wasn't a huge fan of Neil Gaiman, but I had some of this books, and I've tossed those. Jimmy Stewart was a raging racist, but I still love a lot of his movies, and while I'm not planning on ever going to another Johnny Depp film, I still own a bunch on DVD. I still love Gloria Grahame films, even after I learned about her super, super creepy private life. Am I a hypocrite? I don't know. Why do I pick one and not another? I don't know. Why does everyone mention H.P. Lovecraft's racism whenever they talk about him, but I never hear anyone talk about Bram Stoker's, Agatha Christie's, or Patricia Highsmith's when they talk about them? I don't know. I don't have any answers. I just wish people would stop being so awful all the time.
Lovecraft is an interesting example to me. He was notably racist for his own time, with prejudices that are both boringly expected, like his prejudice against black people or his homophobia or misogyny, and some that are incomprehensible to someone who is modern, like his prejudice against the welsh. And while he was percolating these prejudices in his head, he wasn't very successful in his time, and between the discourse educating people about that brand of foolishness and the reclamation of his ideas by the same people he looked down on. His legacy has honestly done probably more good than he caused harm in his life. Besides, the more of those categories you meet that he hated, the more it would piss him off to have you reading it, much less if you were to adapt or build off it. Especially if you are welsh.
Bram Stoker makes H.P. Lovecraft look like a civil rights champion. 'Lair of The White Worm' is so full of racist language, that I'm amazed it still gets published. I'm a massive 'Dracula' fan, and always will be, but even in that novel, the Count's description is extremely, almost laughably, anti-Eastern European (let's not get started on the anti-Semitic caricature that the original Count Orlok is).There's a HPL documentary somewhere where NG almost excuses Lovecraft's racism. I love the work of both men, but again, that doesn't excuse their failings as human beings.
@@ambience273 he won his case against Amber Heard's article, but that doesn't clear him of his abusive behaviour. I like a lot of his movies, but the guy himself has issues.
I have only read few Niel gaiman books, but I remember reading stardust, and I just thought, the boy and star's 'wholesome' relationship was actually built on a foundation of coercion. It gave me a bad taste even though it supposedly had a nice ending. That's not to say you can infer this from anyone's work, but it's still funny how it maps onto real life
I was side eyeing him when he broke up with his former partner and apparently by "accident" some of his search history was leaked and he was searching things like "living with a psychopath" or something like that. This just reminds me of the SNL sketch where everyone is trying to hit on a girl and telling her how much of a feminist they are but the moment she tells them she's not interested they call her a b*tch and get aggressive. I'm pretty sure that everytime he committed some heinous act, he would do something that would make him seem like more of a feminist just so he could keep "tricking naive females"(because at this point I can't imagine him any other way then using this kind of gross language). Thank you for sharing your own story, the thing is, there is a lot of nuance to every situation and we can't be no nuance nellies and compare this situation with Gaiman to every relationship and deem it as bad just because it has some similarities to it.
This is very disheartening but it proves why we should not put anyone- celebrities, authors, family members -on a pedestal. Considering his stance with how they tackled the SA in The Sandman series, it's absolutely awful and horrific. While I am someone who believes in innocence until proven guilty, it definitely is something that should be investigated and looked into. And he and his wife are actually divorced or undergoing divorce as well. But I think you handled this discussion and topic very well.
Its not surprising. The entertainment industry is literally Hell. The big stars in film, music, literature, dance, the big corporations like disney, sony etc all have these predators. Its horrific and sad.
Gaiman wasted his talented because he couldnt keep his pants zipped up. He could not control his libido. And he thought he could get away with it because he is a successful writer.
You did pronounce Gaiman correct, other TH-camrs are pronouncing it wrong. Be confident in yourself (: Not the biggest deal considering the content of the video 😂
@@kutiefly In less than 1 minute, I googled his name and found a clip where he states how to pronounce his last name. GAY-muhn. Your uncertainty immediately made me think "if she can't even get the name right for sure, what else is she being sloppy about/not getting right, vis-à-vis the content?" I'm just saying.
JP is big on promoting youth reading could be these ‘cp’ creeps are seeking aligning with JP to pull them into young reader circles. If I were JP I would be very Leary unfortunately until cp’s are caught a background check wouldn’t show anything.
Was there a full script for this? The stream of consciousness / tangents / backtracking made it hard to follow. I also think it would help to be sure about pronunciations before filming instead of guessing in the video. Sorry!
The real question is why Salman Rushdie was stabbed? Not other people’s sex lives. If they’re a great author then love them. If not read another book. Salman Rushdie is an author. Edited to correct grammar.
I was sexually abused by my father. No one believed me even though he was terrible. I turned to drugs and alcohol for relief. I am now 54 and only smoke pot, which is a minor miracle. My brother committed suicide I feel due to the abuse by my father. Trauma causes multiple kinds of illness in a person.
Your bravery and discretion in addressing this subject matter are to be commended. I don't follow any of these people, so thanks for wading into the swamp and pointing out the pitfalls.
Thank you so much for this comment! ❤ This was a pretty difficult topic for me to talk about, so I really appreciate everyone who took the time to watch!!
Never idolize people. Just enjoy the work someone does and see it separate from the person. Humans are flawed. ALL of them. Some do or make great things, but they are still flawed.
Kind of impossible to separate the work from the artists especially for the artists that receive money from people consuming their content.
@@slither7760 Nah. If you want to go to the extreme as to not even wanting to pay for their work, you can always pirate it.
But then you will also potentially not get new work. So that's a double edged sword.
Also that's why I say:"Never idolize people." If you don't get emotionally invested in the person, it's much easier to just appreciate the art they make.
Invest your emotions on the people around you that matter, not on everyone else in the world. You'll live a much happier and less stressful life.
@@Zeitgeist6 You can't separate a sculptor from the sculptures any more than a writer from their works. their experiences, feelings and thoughts will always show in their writing.
however, like you said pirating is a good choice for those who want to enjoy the media but not support the creator.
it's a rough time for the victim and we should all try to not engage with his works or pirate and not engage in fandom as to not give gaiman free publicity thru it
@@slither7760 Well, your never going to read a book, watch a movie or listen to music ever again. They're all imperfect human beings having said something, done something or believe something you or I would consider morally reprehensible. They say you should never meet your idles as they always fall short of our expectations.
The problem with separating Gaiman from his writing is his sexual proclivities are throughout his work. I’m just unable to enjoy his writing anymore. That’s just me personally though.
I don’t judge anyone for what they read.
I am with you all the way. Just put all my Gaiman comics in the free bin outside. Energy is energy and I don't want that kind of energy. No more excuses. Let's move into an age of responsibility. No one has it figured out and making mistakes is part of this life.
Not looking like a predator is such a weird thing to say, especially with people like Ted Bundy, who was literally know to be charming and charismatic.
Looks doesn't make a bad person, actions however do.
I agree. I think some people have a hard time wrestling with the fact that someone they like/could be attracted to could end up being a bad person. But at the end of the day, it's our actions that define us.
Thank you for making this. You've articulated so well exactly all the nuance of what's wrong about this situation, outside of the allegations themselves.
I was in the middle of making a video about Sandman when I found out, and felt quite blindsided. I've wanted to talk about it, but haven't felt like I could do it justice. You most certainly have.
Thank you so much for this comment. I really appreciate it. These events have taken a lot of us back, for sure, but it's still important to talk about. If you really want to and have the energy to do so, you should definitely make a video yourself! If not, that's okay too!
The Alice Munro thing reminds me of the Marion Zimmer Bradley situation, although Bradley may have been even more of a monster.
The art/artist thing is difficult and personal. I know I wrestle with it a lot, and I can't claim that I'm consistent with it. I enjoy reading H.P. Lovecraft and Robert E. Howard, even though both men had ideas I find reprehensible. But after the truth about M.A.R. Barker came out a couple years ago, I dropped his books completely. I wasn't a huge fan of Neil Gaiman, but I had some of this books, and I've tossed those. Jimmy Stewart was a raging racist, but I still love a lot of his movies, and while I'm not planning on ever going to another Johnny Depp film, I still own a bunch on DVD. I still love Gloria Grahame films, even after I learned about her super, super creepy private life. Am I a hypocrite? I don't know. Why do I pick one and not another? I don't know. Why does everyone mention H.P. Lovecraft's racism whenever they talk about him, but I never hear anyone talk about Bram Stoker's, Agatha Christie's, or Patricia Highsmith's when they talk about them? I don't know. I don't have any answers. I just wish people would stop being so awful all the time.
Lovecraft is an interesting example to me. He was notably racist for his own time, with prejudices that are both boringly expected, like his prejudice against black people or his homophobia or misogyny, and some that are incomprehensible to someone who is modern, like his prejudice against the welsh.
And while he was percolating these prejudices in his head, he wasn't very successful in his time, and between the discourse educating people about that brand of foolishness and the reclamation of his ideas by the same people he looked down on. His legacy has honestly done probably more good than he caused harm in his life.
Besides, the more of those categories you meet that he hated, the more it would piss him off to have you reading it, much less if you were to adapt or build off it. Especially if you are welsh.
Isn't Depp inocent?
@@ambience273I wish
Bram Stoker makes H.P. Lovecraft look like a civil rights champion. 'Lair of The White Worm' is so full of racist language, that I'm amazed it still gets published. I'm a massive 'Dracula' fan, and always will be, but even in that novel, the Count's description is extremely, almost laughably, anti-Eastern European (let's not get started on the anti-Semitic caricature that the original Count Orlok is).There's a HPL documentary somewhere where NG almost excuses Lovecraft's racism. I love the work of both men, but again, that doesn't excuse their failings as human beings.
@@ambience273 he won his case against Amber Heard's article, but that doesn't clear him of his abusive behaviour. I like a lot of his movies, but the guy himself has issues.
I have only read few Niel gaiman books, but I remember reading stardust, and I just thought, the boy and star's 'wholesome' relationship was actually built on a foundation of coercion. It gave me a bad taste even though it supposedly had a nice ending. That's not to say you can infer this from anyone's work, but it's still funny how it maps onto real life
I was side eyeing him when he broke up with his former partner and apparently by "accident" some of his search history was leaked and he was searching things like "living with a psychopath" or something like that.
This just reminds me of the SNL sketch where everyone is trying to hit on a girl and telling her how much of a feminist they are but the moment she tells them she's not interested they call her a b*tch and get aggressive. I'm pretty sure that everytime he committed some heinous act, he would do something that would make him seem like more of a feminist just so he could keep "tricking naive females"(because at this point I can't imagine him any other way then using this kind of gross language).
Thank you for sharing your own story, the thing is, there is a lot of nuance to every situation and we can't be no nuance nellies and compare this situation with Gaiman to every relationship and deem it as bad just because it has some similarities to it.
Absolutely depressing.
This is very disheartening but it proves why we should not put anyone- celebrities, authors, family members -on a pedestal. Considering his stance with how they tackled the SA in The Sandman series, it's absolutely awful and horrific. While I am someone who believes in innocence until proven guilty, it definitely is something that should be investigated and looked into.
And he and his wife are actually divorced or undergoing divorce as well. But I think you handled this discussion and topic very well.
Its not surprising. The entertainment industry is literally Hell. The big stars in film, music, literature, dance, the big corporations like disney, sony etc all have these predators. Its horrific and sad.
Gaiman wasted his talented because he couldnt keep his pants zipped up. He could not control his libido. And he thought he could get away with it because he is a successful writer.
You have a nice demeanor Kutiefly. Keep up the work🎉thanks
Thank you!!
You did pronounce Gaiman correct, other TH-camrs are pronouncing it wrong. Be confident in yourself (:
Not the biggest deal considering the content of the video 😂
lol Thank you for this!!! ❤
@@kutiefly In less than 1 minute, I googled his name and found a clip where he states how to pronounce his last name. GAY-muhn. Your uncertainty immediately made me think "if she can't even get the name right for sure, what else is she being sloppy about/not getting right, vis-à-vis the content?" I'm just saying.
goodness, i just learned about this through tumblr. i'm so disappointed man. why do people....
JP is big on promoting youth reading could be these ‘cp’ creeps are seeking aligning with JP to pull them into young reader circles. If I were JP I would be very Leary unfortunately until cp’s are caught a background check wouldn’t show anything.
Side Note: Adore your glasses!
@@MIchelle_Patrick Thank you so much!
you have my sub for your candor.
Thank you 🧡
Was there a full script for this? The stream of consciousness / tangents / backtracking made it hard to follow. I also think it would help to be sure about pronunciations before filming instead of guessing in the video. Sorry!
Also Marion Bradley Zimmerman and Walter Breen.
His last name is pronounced Gayman. You had it right. Also I thought his wife divorced him awhile ago.
She most like knew about it her new album sorta speaks volumes about their relationship
Gay-min, Not Guy-mun
The real question is why Salman Rushdie was stabbed? Not other people’s sex lives. If they’re a great author then love them. If not read another book. Salman Rushdie is an author.
Edited to correct grammar.