Others strategy - use advance weapons Earthlings - I want to look like a hero Therefore I will ram my ship and die Even if I have dozens of escape pods
He did indeed (though Eric did come back for the last episode!) However, in terms of the Ship, it opens up an interesting philosophical question. From a temporal 'destruction' point of view, if a species technically never existed in the first place, can you really describe it as being destroyed?
You should've included V'ger from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." As Spock and Kirk discovered, "It became a living thing," meaning it *does* meet the rules stipulated in this video. Nothing at *all* could harm or damage it. If Kirk and crew hadn't found out how to placate it, it would've easily devastated and sterilized Earth. It's energy cloud was 82 AUs in diameter (Wow!), and its "12 power" field rating was more powerful than what thousands of other ships could generate. It had in fact reached the utmost potential for development in this universe and dimension, so much so, that it felt an irrepressible yearning to evolve; and was *only* evolved further by literally transcending this entire realm of existence, into, as Captain Decker put it "Other dimensions. Higher levels of being." ... Pretty. Damn. Cool!
I agree with the top three, the two time ships and the voth city ship, and for the same reason: Being able to, in various different ways be completely out of phase from normal space-time makes them almost completely immune to almost all attacks.
Tinman could have a crew so it should've made this list. incredibly powerful to be able to throw two other vessels across large distances or destroy them.
I would find it hard to believe that the 29th century star trek ships could challenge the Voth who are on a whole different level. No doubt they know everything that the people who built the Relativity did about time travel and more. And while there's less certainty about how advanced the Krenim are, it's hard to see them matching the Voth either. The Voth are probably tens of thousands of years more advanced technologically. Not even the Borg can teleport starships or make systems just shut down.
I like my sifi. When I play Battlestar Galactica deadlock I often to uses ramming speed to take out base star. Every time I do it i use my best wolf impress, and then take out base star.
If all 10 if these ships were to fight, it would come down to the Relativity. Simply put, the crew of the time ship could simply send one person back in time to take out the primary designer of most of the other ships, is almost certainly capable of disabling a Borg Cube by the 29th century, and could likely look up Seven's nanoprobe warhead designs.
@@jamesmacleod9382 They've used it exactly once, and I would contend that it would take them at least some interval of time to prep a ship to pull that stunt. And, even if they did, the Relativity's sensors would detect any attempt by the Borg to screw with history, and they could (theoretically) intervene to stop whatever they tried. As an example - *one* Borg drone with 29th-Century-based tech was able to overpower and hijack an entire Borg sphere with basically no effort whatsoever. I suspect an entire ship full of Starfleet's finest from that same time could do far better.
Voyager during it's last episode, was arguably the most lethal ship in starfleet during the time if you wanna count future technology and take a dump on the temporal prime directive
kurt engel I never thought of that before if they implemented that technology on our Federation ships then every ship could be as powerful as a borg cube
To be fair The Force is more than just cool powers but a primordial force of nature that permeates everything. From a strictly holistic standpoint it really is bigger than any weapon since it will still be around long after everyone else is gone.
Year of Hell was originally going to be an _entire season's_ storyline, they had been planning it for ages (Kes traveling backwards in time from her elderly self encountered them and mentioned it to past Janeway, a few seasons earlier), but they had to cut it down to a double episode for some reason. Maybe do a video on it, and see if you can uncover any details on the original Xindi style epic.
The reason that idea was scrapped was partly budget restrictions but mostly because Paramount wanted Voyager to be different from Deep Space Nine and wanted every episode to be a new adventure. That way people could watch the episodes on any order and not be lost. Voyager had a lot of dropped ideas. Species 8472 were suppose to be the primary villain for the rest of the shows run, Seska and the Kazon storyline was suppose to last longer then it did, the Vaudwaar (probably misspelled that) were suppose to be another reoccurring villain, but never showed up again after Dragon's Teeth. That's just to name a few.
They were going to do it as the entire season, but then the writer's strike happened and they couldn't get enough scripts done, so they took the best parts and made a damn good two-parter at the very least.
@@nuclearsimian3281 what a shame. Just imagine what a year of hell season would have looked like. Still a hell of a two parter, one of my. Favourite trek episodes!
The thing that bothered me most with the way Year of Hell ended up was the fact that they had that Kes-reverse-life thing where she gets the temporal variance of the Krenim temporal torpedo, and gives that information to the crew, but then Seven ends up having to re-find the temporal variance herself... 'cuz Janeway apparently forgot. The fact that Janeway apparently forgot is made more frustrating by the fact that during the episode with Seven acting as a temporal agent, Janeway remembers THE EXACT CHRONITON FLUX of the temporal transporter several years later. So she should have been able to remember the temporal variance of the Krenim torpedo as Kes told her. I think there were a few other things that were hinted at in earlier episodes and altered in Year of Hell, but that was the thing that really got me.
That pales in comparison to the sheer slaughter of Miranda crews. I mean, how many Oberths have we actually seen on screen, vs the legions of Mirandas that got obliterated in the Dominion War?
@@weldonwin Well to give some credit to the Mirandas they are if I am not mistaken about 80 years old. And they were able to make quiet a dent when they were new, which can't be said for the Oberth haha
@@jonathanmarois9009 No, the crew mutinied because it malfunctioned; by the time the mutiny happened there was already a mass casualty event going on due to the accident. Also, not for nothing, but while the phasing cloak makes you effectively invincible to external attack (assuming the enemy ship isn't also similarly phased, which WAS a relevant point in a later episode), it also makes you impotent to attack others, as your phased weapons will also pass through what you attack. Thus, it's not a lethal ship because it's purely defensive, unless the lethality comes from the ship itself malfunctioning and lodging half the ship in solid rock.
@@LabTech41 Precisely. Weapons had not yet been developed... so it did not have any special offense. The Federation never got to design weapons for it but you basically did... a simple rock or anything dense in mass... all the ship has to do is direct it where it wants and unclock the mass anywhere IN an enemy... the main bridge, warp core, weapons systems, etc... Thinking about it... they could just replicate a large mass on their ship... teleport it anywhere and uncloak it and... that's pretty damn invincible and powerful. Nothing the enemy could do to stop that.
The voth are yet 1 more reason to have good old fashioned projectile weaponry aboard. Tuvok: Our hand phasers appear to be inoperative. Me: Thats ok. I have a spas12 right here.
Also done in Star Gate against Replicators: "We're too advanced to consider using controlled explosions to hurl solid projectiles." --- Really? This is why Star Fleet's phasers should all come with an underslung shotgun or rifle attachment. Add to that the Borg actually don't seem to be able to repel physical attacks with their shields...*logical processes trend back to the 40k Bolter as weapon of choice for interactions with advanced aliens*
This logic works until you end up with a Dr writer involved who remembers that sufficiently advanced species, make all guns not work. The Sontarans use a bit of tech to stop guns working somehow. Also star trek technically did do this, Picard used a holographic machine gun kill some borg, it only works until the sufficiently advanced species remembers 1 of 2 things, their sheilds stop projectiles so lets use them, or "we can teleport things around" and teleport your guns off the ship.
It stands to reason that they probably have personal shield generators if they have personal cloaking technology. But why take the chance when you can just shut down their weapons at will? Shutting down their weapons was just an added redundancy and tactical strategy. No need to use their personal shield generators if they don't have to. No doubt they would have a countermeasure to deal with projectile weapons as well. Speaking of: Starfleet did have a version of a projectile weapon that could shoot through walls and scan it's target from virtually anywhere. It was on the last season of ds9 with the crazy Vulcan serial killer. No doubt they could render that weapon inert as well pretty easily.
The fact that "When in doubt, ramming speed!" is time and again an employed tactic, is the best argument for Star Trek being a prequel for Warhammer 40k...
Not to mention the astartes have encountered ancient human vessels from the golden age of technology possessing advances beyond they’re comprehension with sleek elegant designs, kind of sounds like a Star fleet vessel to me
The USS Relatively should also include Capitan Braxton's timeship *Aeon,* a one man ship that almost took out Voyager and then proceeded to alter Human history by being salvaged and _causing the computer tech boom of the 70's, 80's and 90's…_ So Humanity (and the Federation) live in a an altered timeline that they created by the actions of Voyager and a Bill Gates wannabe. So what happened in timelines where Voyager didn't get stuck in the Delta Quadrant ? - it's enough to give you temporal psychosis…
Just a thought, what if the producers had asked Bill Gates to play a satirical version of himself and he agreed, instead of using the character of Henry Starling and Chronoworks - for a complete mind fuck joke. Trouble is some nutcases would take it seriously.
The issue here was that Starling could reverse-engineer the basic stuff but had no understanding of the more complex things, which is why he just improved computer tech rather than start his own space program. That’s why he wanted to go to the future: to find intermediate tech between the basic stuff and the complex stuff
@@artembentsionov that never made much sense to me, some of the stuff he showed off was pretty advance. He actually like he created the doctor portable hologram unit.
A simple google search puts its length at 9,368.7 meters, which actually _is_ over ten times longer than the Burj Khalifa is tall. He probably just misspoke, and whoever edited this was asleep.
One thing that has always bugged me about Star Trek is the varying degrees of Technology even among the same group. You're telling me a species that can make matter out of energy and warp travel can't create advanced power armor for security or boarding parties. And lets be honest while the Borg ships are cool the drones are pretty lame, if they couldn't adapt to tech they'd get wiped.
Yeah, Star Trek 90s TV tech (Borg drones) looks kinda lame today. Star Trek utilize robots far too less, they have e.g. nanobots but combat is still fought between individuals using handheld weapon.
I think it was IRL because of the budget, but also for a philosophical reason. In the begining, starfleet was supposed to represent a pacifist and united earth and the Enterprise is suppose to be an exploration vessel, ergo no power armor or advanced military equipment. It's the same for the Borgs. The drones are expendable and easy to replace. It would be a waste of ressources to upgrade the drones when they can simply use it to make more drones.
@@Raeinok there probably are tactical drones, after all there are tactical cubes. Real issue tho is, why have drones perform boarding actions at all? You've developed nanites, why haven't they been weaponized. Beaming them directly into enemy ships or onto planets to automatically and autonomously assimilate everything.
Voyager somehow, even before it's last episode upgrades, went toe to toe with Borg ships many times and survived. I know it was newer than any ship at Wolf 359 but there is no way the Borg should not have been able to destroy Voyager.
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought it was massive. They only built a handful of them. A Defiant class could fly between the gaps in its hull between pylons it was so big.
@@poxzen Is that a joke? The utter generic schlocky garbage being shit out these days with the Star Trek name slapped on has NOTHING to do with actual Star Trek. Bring it back to life my ass.
I wouldn't be surprised if these "Humanity First" jokes get flagged for racism. Lore Reloaded's channel just got flagged for it for discussing the Ferengi.
Maybe THIS is what is gonna happen to the Federation. When Discovery goes to the future nothing is almost left. I think, in theory, Section 31 really fu@@ed things up....some type of a battle happened. We already saw how the androids attacked Mars during Picard's time of retirement, we could perhaps speculate that Section 31 could of been part of a setup years back. We saw how the group for centuries wanted the stop of many species......but then again species that hated the Federation so much they would destroy it themselves. No matter how powerful the Federation's ships are, will be, or were...the Section 31 will find a way to get onto those ships and try to stop many species out there.....then again many species will make their ships stronger too....if not, for sure a great deal of the universe will tear the Federation apart....like this damn virus on Earth!
I don't think the enterprise J deserves an honorable mention. It didn't do anything on screen aside from a quick clip of it firing a phaser. The others you mentioned definitely do, so does the defiant.
@@Reepicheep-1 The original Husnock ship was real (it wiped out the colony on Rana IV) but the ones that played cat & mouse with the Enterprise were indeed illusions.
@@telephony Right. But we don't know the strength of that ship. It was an illusion, meaning that the strength it showed was the strength given to it by its maker. It could have been far weaker then the Enterprise D. Would a guy trying to chase them away give the Enterprise crew a realistic illusion? Think about it. In that time frame, space has been explored quite extensively. If a species was bent on conquest existed with tech more advanced then the Federation that close to them, they would have heard about them already. More then likely, they where quite weaker.
I thought I was going to see the Enterprise with the cloaking-device from the Pegasus on this list (Season 7 Episode 12.) I guess it never saw any action but it had some incredible abilities, it can cloak and ignore physical matter as well.
I just came up with the idea that the phase cloak was the direct descendant to the "Trans-phasic Torpedos" that Janeway brought back from the future. Its very similar to the phasing cloak, a way of going through both matter and energy (such as shields) in order to bypass defenses and take down an enemy ship. The next question would be did Janeway and the crew develop them on the way home or after they returned? I doubt the tech was listed on Voyager's computer records as its illegal. I've assumed that she and Star Fleet developed the weapons upon Voyagers arrival home (before she interfered with the time line): The Borg may have been following them close behind or even already attacked the Federation. Adding Voyager's data and experience fighting the Borg would have led to all those nice new weapons and armor and technology. My only issue is that when Admiral Janeway had that neuro link put in to connect her to her ship's computer, wouldn't that both have left a danger point for someone like the Borg to exploit as well as almost becoming more Borg-like herself in order to defeat her enemies?
What about the ship that the enterprise-d encountered known as Tin Man organic and the only way they could destroy itself with parking itself right off of star that was going to go Nova
Great video! Relativity is the clear heavy weight: If you're playing a full scale war scenario, intelligence is key to victory. It can travel through time and even send away teams through time. It can fight it's targets 4th dimensionally and against foes who cannot engage in 4d combat, there is no contest. It has all the time it needs to peruse the entire history of it's target and find the exact worst points in time for it's target to have to repel an attack. Though in fairness, while it could probably destroy the Voth ship while it was being built, it probably wouldn't work on the Krenim ship unless it's time shields were down. Even then, being able to manipulate time to that fine of a degree makes victory against such an opponent improbable in the extreme. The Krenim ship cannot time travel, nor can it send others through time. It can only erase targets. It has to fight 3 dimensionally. The Voth ship can't manipulate time so it can be destroyed before it was built. In fact, once you get the ability to time travel, everyone else who doesn't have it is at your mercy. Also surprised the Enterprise J didn't end up on the list.
Romulan drone ships from Enterprise. Husnok warship TNG. Tin Man TNG. The Doomsday Machine the original series. Nomad MK-15c After coliding with another alien probe became powerful enough to destroy a Constitution class starship and kill over 4 billion people on four planets. VGER from the motion picture. Fesarius From the original series. Borg tactical cub from Voyager. Though I hate it the Starship Discovery. Dyson sphere TNG Episode Relics. Ship? I am sure it could move itself and its core star. Tholian ship One not so much but a group creates a web that most starships can't defeat. the Whale prob. Xindi prob. People say it was a one hit wonder. But it was only destroyed due to a malfunction.
The Andromeda Ascendant may not be in this franchise, but she can obliterate 40 star systems without much effort (her Nova bombs neutralize a star’s gravity, thus causing them to expand). And her primary weapons can depopulate a planet in under 2 minutes (40 torpedo tubes, standard offensive KK torpedoes accelerate to 90% of lightspeed, at a mass of 1 kilogram, the impact force is equal to an 8 megaton bomb, Andromeda can fire 19,200 missiles per minute; so 2 minutes is if she’s being lazy). Oh, and she can go to other galaxies in minutes. And let’s not get into Invictus-class podnaughts
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Yep. It could be even worse for the Borg if they ever encounter the Daleks from "Doctor Who" or even the mysterious and terrifying Shadows from "Babylon 5."
I'm surprised that there are so few comments on 8472. The Borg, in their arrogance, bit of waaaaay more than they could chew. That ship could wipe out all of the others. Just my opinion. Not right or wrong.
The Voth sadly can and would capture an Astarties battle cruiser with a legion aboard with next to no effort. Your forgetting these guys can beam your ship around at will, turn it off, and supposedly read your entire database at will. They turned off your energy weapons and knew they had no other effective weapons in voyages case. Let's look at a battle barge, so now you have guns, they also know this, they aren't idiots. And now you don't have guns, they are no longer in your ship and can be found orbiting a nearby star. You have swords, same thing happens. A sufficiently intelligent species with transporter tech has a god weapon. They can at will, remove anything you would use to defend yourself with with ease. Or they could just remove you from your weapons, and leave you floating in a zero G environment in your birthday suit. Don't mistake bad writing for tactical inability.
Borg ships can also mend themselves. This was shown when combating with the Enterprise. Star Fleet developed Trans-Warp Drives which was featured briefly in Star Trek 3 with the Excelsior. Spock's tiny ship that held a huge ball of Red Matter would be the deadliest ship. Many Star Ships can separate their saucer section from the rest of the ship to effectively create "multi-vector attack mode".
Wait the Narada was only 900 meters long in the 2009 film? I could’ve sworn it was far bigger than that, as the Kelvin timeline Enterprise is like somewhere around 700 meters and the Narada still dwarfs it. It’s like several times bigger
In the movie the measurement was 30700 feet/9300m - a super massive ship. I think he just made a mistake. But he said the Narada was more than 10 times bigger than the actually biggest building, which is the Burj Khalifa with 830m.
Hmm. I think that NCC 1031, Discovery, would be a good candidate for this list. It can basically teleport wherever it wants, and I guess if you want to count all the wacky technology that Michael Burnham works with (like the time travel suit) it's a pretty badass ship.
Crew was optional, plus it didn't do anything cool while anyone was aboard. It was empty when it defended itself from the Romulans, if I remember right.
The most powerful federation ship in star trek if not one of... Designed not for discovery, recon, exploration hybrid usage etc. but designed to destroy and kill; make things dead!!! There are many star trek ships for subtle reasons: they have special abilities and tricks up their sleeves to help them stand out from the pack. That’s not the case with the USS Vengeance, though -- Vengeance Federation ship is simply pure power! It was built in secret by Admiral Marcus, who himself was involved in Section 31. This secret division had the right to sanction any enemies of the Federation, and the Vengeance has enough firepower and shielding to make good on that threat. Fortunately, the Enterprise crew was able to defeat the giant ship through some creative strategies. And bombs. Lots of bombs.
Husnock Warship for the win. Cheat mode. Controlled by a living being but from the ground so more of a drone. Not sure what if anything could beat it. Perhaps a Q.
The Enterprise is always the most lethal ship with its hero plot armour
Unless it's in a movie. Then it just has plot hard points
Galaxy x or sovereign class
@@Phil-D83 Galaxy x have it on STO my favorite it,s beast:)
"Fate protects fools, little children, and ships named Enterprise."
LOL
Prometheus, Akira and Gagarin Class will always be my favourite battle orientated Starfleet vessels. 👌
Love your star trek videos, British Ben!
Others strategy - use advance weapons
Earthlings - I want to look like a hero
Therefore I will ram my ship and die
Even if I have dozens of escape pods
the commander of the Krenim Time Ship was Red Forman. He deleted Eric.
He did indeed (though Eric did come back for the last episode!) However, in terms of the Ship, it opens up an interesting philosophical question. From a temporal 'destruction' point of view, if a species technically never existed in the first place, can you really describe it as being destroyed?
You should've included V'ger from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." As Spock and Kirk discovered, "It became a living thing," meaning it *does* meet the rules stipulated in this video. Nothing at *all* could harm or damage it. If Kirk and crew hadn't found out how to placate it, it would've easily devastated and sterilized Earth. It's energy cloud was 82 AUs in diameter (Wow!), and its "12 power" field rating was more powerful than what thousands of other ships could generate. It had in fact reached the utmost potential for development in this universe and dimension, so much so, that it felt an irrepressible yearning to evolve; and was *only* evolved further by literally transcending this entire realm of existence, into, as Captain Decker put it "Other dimensions. Higher levels of being." ... Pretty. Damn. Cool!
I agree with the top three, the two time ships and the voth city ship, and for the same reason: Being able to, in various different ways be completely out of phase from normal space-time makes them almost completely immune to almost all attacks.
Tinman could have a crew so it should've made this list. incredibly powerful to be able to throw two other vessels across large distances or destroy them.
Send someone back in time to prevent that the ship attacking you is ever build, sounds pretty much invincible to me.
I would find it hard to believe that the 29th century star trek ships could challenge the Voth who are on a whole different level. No doubt they know everything that the people who built the Relativity did about time travel and more. And while there's less certainty about how advanced the Krenim are, it's hard to see them matching the Voth either. The Voth are probably tens of thousands of years more advanced technologically. Not even the Borg can teleport starships or make systems just shut down.
The entire Macross & Gundam Universe needs to be covered.
So many Anime franchises with "Mecha" can be covered.
ESCAFLOWNE. Mechs and dragons, what more do you need.
I like my sifi. When I play Battlestar Galactica deadlock I often to uses ramming speed to take out base star. Every time I do it i use my best wolf impress, and then take out base star.
Funny that like half of this list is just from Voyager. There were a lot of heavy hitters running around that time
Voyager with it's armour and transphasic torpedos
On that list should have been quantum- I man temporal no. The uss voyager and equinox episode
I wander where V'Ger stand in this list (Star Treck Motion Picture).
Only 1 ship the borg feared the type 003 code named tempest fury it was a liberated assimilated vaadwaur juggernaut from the 27th century
If all 10 if these ships were to fight, it would come down to the Relativity.
Simply put, the crew of the time ship could simply send one person back in time to take out the primary designer of most of the other ships, is almost certainly capable of disabling a Borg Cube by the 29th century, and could likely look up Seven's nanoprobe warhead designs.
The Borg also have time travel ability
@@jamesmacleod9382 They've used it exactly once, and I would contend that it would take them at least some interval of time to prep a ship to pull that stunt.
And, even if they did, the Relativity's sensors would detect any attempt by the Borg to screw with history, and they could (theoretically) intervene to stop whatever they tried.
As an example - *one* Borg drone with 29th-Century-based tech was able to overpower and hijack an entire Borg sphere with basically no effort whatsoever. I suspect an entire ship full of Starfleet's finest from that same time could do far better.
9:36, actually Worf did destroy the Enterprise E possibly by ramming
6:12 the aliens will remember that
Nice vid
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"Magnetic Ship City"
Thank You
Enable the temporo-quantum slipstream drive. Charge the temproro-quantum phasers and get me a temporo-quantum coffee.
Anything "temporal" wins by default. Dude, they can change TIME! 😆
6:15 🥺... guess I'll go then...*sniff sniff
I just wanted to stream quality entertainment...😭
One word...VGER!
I didnt know red foremen played in star trek
No USS Vengeance ?
Temporal phase variance.
Year of Hell should have been an entire season.
Voyager during it's last episode, was arguably the most lethal ship in starfleet during the time
if you wanna count future technology and take a dump on the temporal prime directive
Pretty sure the Temporal Ship had already HAD that kind of tech and had passed it up by that point for more advanced stuff.
although the last season had some questionable decisions I liked the armored Voyager
@@IsaiahAmos017 as if plot armor wasn't enough
wonder whatever happened to all that tech
kurt engel I never thought of that before if they implemented that technology on our Federation ships then every ship could be as powerful as a borg cube
@@IsaiahAmos017 The Temporal Ship would STILL be more advanced than that would be... By centuries.
The most lethal person to star trek universe: Alex Kurtzmen
Right on
KAAHHHNNNNN!!!!
Nah, I like what he's done with DIS and PIC :) Very enjoyable shows for me
Followed closely by JJ Abrams.
@@frankmaston lol troll
"If you can't beat an ultra-powerful ship, you just ram it!" is the motto of the 40K Imperial Navy :)
Not the Tau but yeah.
General Cheng's House of noodles, you won't see the spices coming
and for a few strips of gold pressed latinum they'll recite Shakespeare's Hamlet in Klingon for your enjoyment 😊
House if Noodles ? 😜
I might be wrong but, that sounds like a Ninjago reference.
@@incogni-bro8276 nope lol, closer to General Tso's chicken
😅
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force"
--A force wielding nut job
To be fair, in the novels, it really is
@@colinsmith1495 well i mena why destroy it when you can eliminate time where it never even existed life gets alot stranger then
To be fair The Force is more than just cool powers but a primordial force of nature that permeates everything.
From a strictly holistic standpoint it really is bigger than any weapon since it will still be around long after everyone else is gone.
Yeessssss!
kyriss12 in KOTOR, the Rakata used the Force to power a massive factory that could churn out spaceships on a whim
Year of Hell was originally going to be an _entire season's_ storyline, they had been planning it for ages (Kes traveling backwards in time from her elderly self encountered them and mentioned it to past Janeway, a few seasons earlier), but they had to cut it down to a double episode for some reason.
Maybe do a video on it, and see if you can uncover any details on the original Xindi style epic.
Whole voyeur was a mess tbf
The reason that idea was scrapped was partly budget restrictions but mostly because Paramount wanted Voyager to be different from Deep Space Nine and wanted every episode to be a new adventure. That way people could watch the episodes on any order and not be lost. Voyager had a lot of dropped ideas. Species 8472 were suppose to be the primary villain for the rest of the shows run, Seska and the Kazon storyline was suppose to last longer then it did, the Vaudwaar (probably misspelled that) were suppose to be another reoccurring villain, but never showed up again after Dragon's Teeth. That's just to name a few.
They were going to do it as the entire season, but then the writer's strike happened and they couldn't get enough scripts done, so they took the best parts and made a damn good two-parter at the very least.
@@nuclearsimian3281 what a shame. Just imagine what a year of hell season would have looked like.
Still a hell of a two parter, one of my. Favourite trek episodes!
The thing that bothered me most with the way Year of Hell ended up was the fact that they had that Kes-reverse-life thing where she gets the temporal variance of the Krenim temporal torpedo, and gives that information to the crew, but then Seven ends up having to re-find the temporal variance herself... 'cuz Janeway apparently forgot. The fact that Janeway apparently forgot is made more frustrating by the fact that during the episode with Seven acting as a temporal agent, Janeway remembers THE EXACT CHRONITON FLUX of the temporal transporter several years later. So she should have been able to remember the temporal variance of the Krenim torpedo as Kes told her. I think there were a few other things that were hinted at in earlier episodes and altered in Year of Hell, but that was the thing that really got me.
most lethal ship, at least for its own crew, is unrivaled: the Oberth
It's made out of explodium, what so you expect
That pales in comparison to the sheer slaughter of Miranda crews. I mean, how many Oberths have we actually seen on screen, vs the legions of Mirandas that got obliterated in the Dominion War?
Nemesis ship is still cooler
@@weldonwin Well to give some credit to the Mirandas they are if I am not mistaken about 80 years old. And they were able to make quiet a dent when they were new, which can't be said for the Oberth haha
@@weldonwin which is worse? who knows, kind of like the question of if a storm trooper could actually kill a red shirt.
“Except for you Worf, you don’t get to ram anything.”
RIP Jadzia
"except for you word , you don't get to ram anything "
Word:and i took that personally(proceeds to ran British Ben )
*grumbling Worf noises*
I'm thinking he got to "ram" her a few times. 😉
The *USS Pegasus* had a phasing cloaking device that allowed it to _pass through matter._
That's pretty much invincible.
Didnt that ship end up into an asteroid because of a malfunction?
@@operationmisanthropia5831 It happened because the crew mutanied if I remember right... sabotage.
@@jonathanmarois9009 Ouch, thats even more cruel than just a simple Malfunction
@@jonathanmarois9009 No, the crew mutinied because it malfunctioned; by the time the mutiny happened there was already a mass casualty event going on due to the accident.
Also, not for nothing, but while the phasing cloak makes you effectively invincible to external attack (assuming the enemy ship isn't also similarly phased, which WAS a relevant point in a later episode), it also makes you impotent to attack others, as your phased weapons will also pass through what you attack.
Thus, it's not a lethal ship because it's purely defensive, unless the lethality comes from the ship itself malfunctioning and lodging half the ship in solid rock.
@@LabTech41 Precisely. Weapons had not yet been developed... so it did not have any special offense.
The Federation never got to design weapons for it but you basically did... a simple rock or anything dense in mass... all the ship has to do is direct it where it wants and unclock the mass anywhere IN an enemy... the main bridge, warp core, weapons systems, etc...
Thinking about it... they could just replicate a large mass on their ship... teleport it anywhere and uncloak it and... that's pretty damn invincible and powerful. Nothing the enemy could do to stop that.
The voth are yet 1 more reason to have good old fashioned projectile weaponry aboard.
Tuvok: Our hand phasers appear to be inoperative.
Me: Thats ok. I have a spas12 right here.
Oh- that doesn’t work, either? Grab me that Viking spear from the Museum Deck. Maybe a few.
Also done in Star Gate against Replicators: "We're too advanced to consider using controlled explosions to hurl solid projectiles." --- Really? This is why Star Fleet's phasers should all come with an underslung shotgun or rifle attachment. Add to that the Borg actually don't seem to be able to repel physical attacks with their shields...*logical processes trend back to the 40k Bolter as weapon of choice for interactions with advanced aliens*
Look out! He has a board with a nail in it!
This logic works until you end up with a Dr writer involved who remembers that sufficiently advanced species, make all guns not work. The Sontarans use a bit of tech to stop guns working somehow.
Also star trek technically did do this, Picard used a holographic machine gun kill some borg, it only works until the sufficiently advanced species remembers 1 of 2 things, their sheilds stop projectiles so lets use them, or "we can teleport things around" and teleport your guns off the ship.
It stands to reason that they probably have personal shield generators if they have personal cloaking technology. But why take the chance when you can just shut down their weapons at will? Shutting down their weapons was just an added redundancy and tactical strategy. No need to use their personal shield generators if they don't have to. No doubt they would have a countermeasure to deal with projectile weapons as well.
Speaking of: Starfleet did have a version of a projectile weapon that could shoot through walls and scan it's target from virtually anywhere. It was on the last season of ds9 with the crazy Vulcan serial killer. No doubt they could render that weapon inert as well pretty easily.
Species 8472 is by far the most powerful ship for it’s size and it only had one pilot.
But, was ( were ) stronger when the plasma type weapons joined together to blast away any Borg ship!
The ship is actually one of their 5 genders.
I counter that with Captain Braxton and the timeship Aeon of the 29th and a half century.
The fact that "When in doubt, ramming speed!" is time and again an employed tactic, is the best argument for Star Trek being a prequel for Warhammer 40k...
Starfleet = Imperium
Klingon = Ork
Vulcan = Eldar
Warhammer 23hundred confirmed!
Gorn=ork
Romulan=drukari
Borg=necrons
Andorians=tau
Not to mention the astartes have encountered ancient human vessels from the golden age of technology possessing advances beyond they’re comprehension with sleek elegant designs, kind of sounds like a Star fleet vessel to me
Today is a good day to WAAARGH!!!
Forget my Gorn analysis your right Klingon is more Orcish
The USS Relatively should also include Capitan Braxton's timeship *Aeon,* a one man ship that almost took out Voyager and then proceeded to alter Human history by being salvaged and _causing the computer tech boom of the 70's, 80's and 90's…_
So Humanity (and the Federation) live in a an altered timeline that they created by the actions of Voyager and a Bill Gates wannabe.
So what happened in timelines where Voyager didn't get stuck in the Delta Quadrant ? - it's enough to give you temporal psychosis…
Just a thought, what if the producers had asked Bill Gates to play a satirical version of himself and he agreed, instead of using the character of Henry Starling and Chronoworks - for a complete mind fuck joke.
Trouble is some nutcases would take it seriously.
Arent ALL timelines altered?
The issue here was that Starling could reverse-engineer the basic stuff but had no understanding of the more complex things, which is why he just improved computer tech rather than start his own space program. That’s why he wanted to go to the future: to find intermediate tech between the basic stuff and the complex stuff
Also about the Aeon, if you miscalculate a time jump, you could wipe out an *entire star system*
@@artembentsionov that never made much sense to me, some of the stuff he showed off was pretty advance. He actually like he created the doctor portable hologram unit.
4:23 900 meters long which is like ten times longer than the tallest building is high.... the burge khalifa is 800 meters tall lol
his math is very good
in the kurtzmen timeline 2 + 2 = 5, but math is racist
A simple google search puts its length at 9,368.7 meters, which actually _is_ over ten times longer than the Burj Khalifa is tall. He probably just misspoke, and whoever edited this was asleep.
Why do we spend 95% of our time on your face rather than the ships? Which is the reason we tuned in, per the tittle.
One thing that has always bugged me about Star Trek is the varying degrees of Technology even among the same group. You're telling me a species that can make matter out of energy and warp travel can't create advanced power armor for security or boarding parties. And lets be honest while the Borg ships are cool the drones are pretty lame, if they couldn't adapt to tech they'd get wiped.
I hear power armor and my bolter loads itself...
Yeah, Star Trek 90s TV tech (Borg drones) looks kinda lame today. Star Trek utilize robots far too less, they have e.g. nanobots but combat is still fought between individuals using handheld weapon.
I think it was IRL because of the budget, but also for a philosophical reason. In the begining, starfleet was supposed to represent a pacifist and united earth and the Enterprise is suppose to be an exploration vessel, ergo no power armor or advanced military equipment. It's the same for the Borgs. The drones are expendable and easy to replace. It would be a waste of ressources to upgrade the drones when they can simply use it to make more drones.
@@Torlik11 i still think theyd keep a few like speciality combat drones
@@Raeinok there probably are tactical drones, after all there are tactical cubes. Real issue tho is, why have drones perform boarding actions at all? You've developed nanites, why haven't they been weaponized. Beaming them directly into enemy ships or onto planets to automatically and autonomously assimilate everything.
Voyager somehow, even before it's last episode upgrades, went toe to toe with Borg ships many times and survived. I know it was newer than any ship at Wolf 359 but there is no way the Borg should not have been able to destroy Voyager.
Ablative plot armor
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought it was massive. They only built a handful of them. A Defiant class could fly between the gaps in its hull between pylons it was so big.
4500m or 4.5 times bigger than a star destroyer and would utterly rape that and a executor class too
I personally loved the mirror verse Negh'Var. It was supposed to be several times the size of the regular one.
@@Bitchslapper316 like a gigachad version?
The USS Discovery and the Kelvin timeline Enterprise …
They almost _killed a Franchise._
Almost ... hmm ... jury is still out on that one. But yeah, STD sucks - the abbreviation says it all.
@@Taiken83 The actual abbreviation is DIS but you do you.
Pretty sure Discovery and Picard are responsible for that fatality.
Almost killed a franchise? brought back to life is more like it. Not since the 90's has star trek had this many shows and been this popular.
@@poxzen Is that a joke? The utter generic schlocky garbage being shit out these days with the Star Trek name slapped on has NOTHING to do with actual Star Trek. Bring it back to life my ass.
The most lethal ship is one commanded by a main character
Because...
PLOT ARMOUR
The USS Vengeance was a very powerful ship for its time. Made mincemeat out of the Enterprise.
I wouldn't be surprised if these "Humanity First" jokes get flagged for racism. Lore Reloaded's channel just got flagged for it for discussing the Ferengi.
That's why we can't have nice things
6:12 Someone just blew their section 31 cover. Alien Lifes Matter.
Maybe THIS is what is gonna happen to the Federation. When Discovery goes to the future nothing is almost left. I think, in theory, Section 31 really fu@@ed things up....some type of a battle happened. We already saw how the androids attacked Mars during Picard's time of retirement, we could perhaps speculate that Section 31 could of been part of a setup years back. We saw how the group for centuries wanted the stop of many species......but then again species that hated the Federation so much they would destroy it themselves. No matter how powerful the Federation's ships are, will be, or were...the Section 31 will find a way to get onto those ships and try to stop many species out there.....then again many species will make their ships stronger too....if not, for sure a great deal of the universe will tear the Federation apart....like this damn virus on Earth!
Please look at the SDF-1 from SDF Macross.
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Zentradi
You should have covered the USS Vengeance, from Star Trek Into Darkness. It was huge, had advanced weapons, and could be operated by a skeleton crew
A few honorable mentions: Enterprise J, AGT future Enterprise D, armored Voyager, Husnock Warship and Tin Man (Gomtuu)....
I don't think the enterprise J deserves an honorable mention. It didn't do anything on screen aside from a quick clip of it firing a phaser. The others you mentioned definitely do, so does the defiant.
The Husnock ship was arguably an illusion, and therefore crewless.
@@Reepicheep-1 The original Husnock ship was real (it wiped out the colony on Rana IV) but the ones that played cat & mouse with the Enterprise were indeed illusions.
@@telephony Right. But we don't know the strength of that ship. It was an illusion, meaning that the strength it showed was the strength given to it by its maker. It could have been far weaker then the Enterprise D. Would a guy trying to chase them away give the Enterprise crew a realistic illusion? Think about it. In that time frame, space has been explored quite extensively. If a species was bent on conquest existed with tech more advanced then the Federation that close to them, they would have heard about them already. More then likely, they where quite weaker.
Star Trek 2009 was a JJ Abrams' practice run for destroying Star Wars.
7:48 Red decided to put his foot in the galaxy's ass.
Ben: Worf doesn't get to ram anything.
Jadzia: Could have fooled me
Worf: (mischievous smirk)
I thought I was going to see the Enterprise with the cloaking-device from the Pegasus on this list (Season 7 Episode 12.) I guess it never saw any action but it had some incredible abilities, it can cloak and ignore physical matter as well.
I just came up with the idea that the phase cloak was the direct descendant to the "Trans-phasic Torpedos" that Janeway brought back from the future. Its very similar to the phasing cloak, a way of going through both matter and energy (such as shields) in order to bypass defenses and take down an enemy ship. The next question would be did Janeway and the crew develop them on the way home or after they returned? I doubt the tech was listed on Voyager's computer records as its illegal. I've assumed that she and Star Fleet developed the weapons upon Voyagers arrival home (before she interfered with the time line): The Borg may have been following them close behind or even already attacked the Federation. Adding Voyager's data and experience fighting the Borg would have led to all those nice new weapons and armor and technology. My only issue is that when Admiral Janeway had that neuro link put in to connect her to her ship's computer, wouldn't that both have left a danger point for someone like the Borg to exploit as well as almost becoming more Borg-like herself in order to defeat her enemies?
What about the ship that the enterprise-d encountered known as Tin Man organic and the only way they could destroy itself with parking itself right off of star that was going to go Nova
Nah the enterprise incident
@@krisgonynor689 Janeway got the technology from the Srivani (the race encountered in the episode, "Scientific Method").
USS defiant would be a good one to ad with its 6 rapid fire fasor disruptors and 6 ion torpedo tubes
Great video!
Relativity is the clear heavy weight: If you're playing a full scale war scenario, intelligence is key to victory. It can travel through time and even send away teams through time. It can fight it's targets 4th dimensionally and against foes who cannot engage in 4d combat, there is no contest. It has all the time it needs to peruse the entire history of it's target and find the exact worst points in time for it's target to have to repel an attack. Though in fairness, while it could probably destroy the Voth ship while it was being built, it probably wouldn't work on the Krenim ship unless it's time shields were down. Even then, being able to manipulate time to that fine of a degree makes victory against such an opponent improbable in the extreme.
The Krenim ship cannot time travel, nor can it send others through time. It can only erase targets. It has to fight 3 dimensionally.
The Voth ship can't manipulate time so it can be destroyed before it was built. In fact, once you get the ability to time travel, everyone else who doesn't have it is at your mercy.
Also surprised the Enterprise J didn't end up on the list.
Good thing WH40K nerfed time travel.
More Warhammer 40k Videos please
"No alien scum. We're about humanity first here!". Chill, Inquisitor..
Purge the Xenos with Fire and Bolter.
Not very Star Trek.
Ah yes, it's twenty years later and I'm still being reminded of how Voyager butchered the Borg.
What they did with species 8472 was pretty bad as well. They created this cool, scary, powerful, alien race and then went and totally neutered them.
Romulan drone ships from Enterprise. Husnok warship TNG. Tin Man TNG. The Doomsday Machine the original series. Nomad MK-15c After coliding with another alien probe became powerful enough to destroy a Constitution class starship and kill over 4 billion people on four planets. VGER from the motion picture. Fesarius From the original series. Borg tactical cub from Voyager. Though I hate it the Starship Discovery. Dyson sphere TNG Episode Relics. Ship? I am sure it could move itself and its core star. Tholian ship One not so much but a group creates a web that most starships can't defeat. the Whale prob. Xindi prob. People say it was a one hit wonder. But it was only destroyed due to a malfunction.
The Andromeda Ascendant may not be in this franchise, but she can obliterate 40 star systems without much effort (her Nova bombs neutralize a star’s gravity, thus causing them to expand). And her primary weapons can depopulate a planet in under 2 minutes (40 torpedo tubes, standard offensive KK torpedoes accelerate to 90% of lightspeed, at a mass of 1 kilogram, the impact force is equal to an 8 megaton bomb, Andromeda can fire 19,200 missiles per minute; so 2 minutes is if she’s being lazy). Oh, and she can go to other galaxies in minutes.
And let’s not get into Invictus-class podnaughts
DAMN RIGHT,
No alien scum watching this show.
In fact, no alien scum watching ANY human TV.
HUMANITY FIRST.
Species 8472 are AWESOME the way they kicked the Borg's ASS!
That's the last time the Borg will ever quote futurama.
@@cormacmacsuibhne2867 Yep. It could be even worse for the Borg if they ever encounter the Daleks from "Doctor Who" or even the mysterious and terrifying Shadows from "Babylon 5."
I'm surprised that there are so few comments on 8472.
The Borg, in their arrogance, bit of waaaaay more than they could chew. That ship could wipe out all of the others. Just my opinion. Not right or wrong.
The “Husnock” ship in TNG episode, THE SURVIVORS has to be the most deadly.
But there were no survivors... Of the entire race. Besides, we never see the husnock ship on screen
@@christopherharsch4352 The conjured ship that we see is I think meant to be a Husnock ship, and it would have been as powerful as it needed to be.
11:35 This is why you can’t just have laser guns on your ship. If they were packing automatic rifles and shotguns, it’d be a different story
With the ranges imposed by starship corridors a modernised m1911 with hollow points wouldn't be out of place.
The Voth sadly can and would capture an Astarties battle cruiser with a legion aboard with next to no effort. Your forgetting these guys can beam your ship around at will, turn it off, and supposedly read your entire database at will. They turned off your energy weapons and knew they had no other effective weapons in voyages case. Let's look at a battle barge, so now you have guns, they also know this, they aren't idiots. And now you don't have guns, they are no longer in your ship and can be found orbiting a nearby star. You have swords, same thing happens. A sufficiently intelligent species with transporter tech has a god weapon. They can at will, remove anything you would use to defend yourself with with ease. Or they could just remove you from your weapons, and leave you floating in a zero G environment in your birthday suit. Don't mistake bad writing for tactical inability.
900 metres long is not ten times as long as the tallest building is high. I think you mean 9 kilometres. The Burj Khalifa is 830 metres tall.
Voth ship clearly wins. They have this 60+ billion years of tech advantage.
If the Dominion Battleship don’t make this list PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED!!!
Perfect timing, I’ve been binge watching Star Trek... made it through original, STNG, and now I’m on Enterprise.
Which one would win... Why the Enterprise of course. They always win. :)
do you want to see my chance cube I’m putting all my bets on the enterprise IT ALWAYS wins
the most lethal ship is the one Kirk/Picard/Sisko/Janeway/Archer is commanding.
not really, the voth only spared voyager because one their species cut a deal with the council.
@@DavidKnowles0 the point stands. voyager still survived, because Janeway was commanding.
General Chang didn't send two people in Starfleet uniforms. Lt Valeris sent two Starfleet cadets to kill the Chancellor from the Enterprise.
I know this video was made before this ship was introduced, but I think the Shrike is one of the most beautiful and lethal ships ever conceived
Borg ships can also mend themselves. This was shown when combating with the Enterprise. Star Fleet developed Trans-Warp Drives which was featured briefly in Star Trek 3 with the Excelsior. Spock's tiny ship that held a huge ball of Red Matter would be the deadliest ship. Many Star Ships can separate their saucer section from the rest of the ship to effectively create "multi-vector attack mode".
Wait the Narada was only 900 meters long in the 2009 film? I could’ve sworn it was far bigger than that, as the Kelvin timeline Enterprise is like somewhere around 700 meters and the Narada still dwarfs it. It’s like several times bigger
In the movie the measurement was 30700 feet/9300m - a super massive ship. I think he just made a mistake. But he said the Narada was more than 10 times bigger than the actually biggest building, which is the Burj Khalifa with 830m.
@@ChrisIsMeinName that's a literal monster.
The USS Vengeance. Also breaks Starfleet’s class naming scheme by not being named after a lead ship, unless there really is USS Dreadnought
got to be the kremin ship. your civilization no longer exists. goodbye.
unless you have temporal shielding then the ship becomes useless.
🖖😎👍Very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way and detail indeed 👌.
I was kinda hoping for the Dreadnaught class (USS Vengeance). I love that ship. Oh well. All of these are awesome.
Like for the "general chang"
Hmm. I think that NCC 1031, Discovery, would be a good candidate for this list. It can basically teleport wherever it wants, and I guess if you want to count all the wacky technology that Michael Burnham works with (like the time travel suit) it's a pretty badass ship.
And all you would need to do in order to stop any and all of these ships is to Reverse the polarity.
Or emit an inverse tachyon pulse.
its 2020 lets not shame people for reversing their polarity.
9:20. Does he mean 9000m? The burj khalifa is 820m tall.
Yes. Memory Alpha lists its length as 9,368.7 meters.
yeah should have said 9000
@@StealthyJim the meme is there...
The Narada IS a meme.
The existence-deleting ship from VOY Year of Hell better be on here
Edit: aww yeaaah
Ahem VGER
I'm surprised there hasn't been a purely mechanical species like the Replicators of Star Gate or the Men Of Iron from WH40K in Star Trek.
Only one I can think about is the 'Pralor'. They were built by a species they later destroyed.
@@TheCJUN i musta missed them, I've many only watched a few seasons of DS9 and some of TNG
Wasn't Vger built by a purely mechanical race.
@@aneophyte1199 Thats the rumor.
@@Raeinok I recommend the episode, its from Voyager.
species 8472 lives in a pocket dimension in my nose
Galaxy X dreadnought was a beast. 👍
You forgot about "TIN MAN" from Star Trek: The Next Generation. TIN MAN had a crew of one.
the previous crew was more than one if I recall correctl, but yes, very powerful ship / entity
Crew was optional, plus it didn't do anything cool while anyone was aboard. It was empty when it defended itself from the Romulans, if I remember right.
@@nodak81 No, actually Deanna's old friend Tam Elbrum, another Betaziod, were aboard. And Elbrum was in telepathic connection with it at that moment.
*Elbrum and Data were aboard.
I love the concept of bioships and species 8472. Biotechnic is super cool.
The nabel class star ship is one of the most baddest ships you will ever see.
The most powerful federation ship in star trek if not one of... Designed not for discovery, recon, exploration hybrid usage etc. but designed to destroy and kill; make things dead!!!
There are many star trek ships for subtle reasons: they have special abilities and tricks up their sleeves to help them stand out from the pack. That’s not the case with the USS Vengeance, though -- Vengeance Federation ship is simply pure power!
It was built in secret by Admiral Marcus, who himself was involved in Section 31. This secret division had the right to sanction any enemies of the Federation, and the Vengeance has enough firepower and shielding to make good on that threat. Fortunately, the Enterprise crew was able to defeat the giant ship through some creative strategies. And bombs. Lots of bombs.
How about the Defiant? Or the Husnock Warship (even though it was a recreation of the Dowd) of what about the Dreadnought Class (USS Vengeance)?
Husnock Warship for the win. Cheat mode. Controlled by a living being but from the ground so more of a drone. Not sure what if anything could beat it. Perhaps a Q.
My bet is the Bio Ship because it's a heavy fighter and it must cost less.
They can made thousands of them.
USS Prometheus is my top fave Star Trek ship.
Same