Arachnids are amazing creatures that definitely don’t get the respect and admiration they deserve. Which is why I worked to over come my fear and now own two beautiful tarantulas. One day I will have a third and several jumping spiders. That doctor pointing out the reality of the neighborhood and the fact that families are doing the best they can with what they have really hit the feels.
@@trivonnereid8877 I feel the same. I used to be horrified of most insects; now I’m getting out of the dogs’ water bowls and stuff all the time. Last week I got a bee out of my bird’s water bowl when he was outside. I mixed up sugar water and put some near her and kept an eye out while she was drying off…..
I feel like if you're promising your patients mum you can fix him with spider silk that you'd want to make sure you actually had enough silk to use BEFORE you started operating.
It's pretty against the rules to promise _anything_ when it comes to the hospital. Comfort a patient as best you can, but you cannot promise things will be fine, cause they could not go the right way
@@justlikerunningabicycle3783 Yeah that is something every hospital show fail on. They constantly promise things so that if something do happen to go wrong it gives the parents and patients something to yell about.
It’s a hard thing to measure, and it’s so fine that you can’t even imagine how much web it actually takes to do this stuff (source: I watched a youtuber make a spider web guitar string)
There is another problem with bones fractured this much. In the military they often have to amputate not bc they couldnt fix the legs but bc of abnormal very painful growths.
my aunt was in AF and jumped out a plane and her parachute malfunctioned n broke both legs. she’s had over 50 surgeries bc she didn’t want to amputate them. so sad to see her in pain often
@@rasmusdrongesen7043 Are you saying he can't get hurt playing in an apartment that's not what a kid needs you are missing the point of why he was showing her the map.
@@rasmusdrongesen7043 a kid can’t just play around the apartment, they need to be outside and have fun. Their children and his mother even said he’s the type to want to be outside everyday. So that wouldn’t be a solution.
That lady doctor just wants to be right. I encountered a couple of pediatricians when I was a kid who wanted always to be correct, because kids can't argue on the same level as the adults. But the guy doctor is exactly the type of pediatrician that my main practitioner was when I was kid, he would listened to everything I said, he made sure all conclusions and methods were considered before coming to my mother and me and giving us the options, and made sure we understood our options. As a doctor, you don't just make sure your patient lives, but you make sure your patient thrives as well. The "common" and "easy" solution is not always the RIGHT one.
well it's a risk vs reward curve... if the risk is him living possibly a very uncomfortable life vs a life without legs but still being able to utilise the ability to run and walk. I think the later is clearly better.... In a TV the outcome is always good, but it might not work out always
No this is what we call medical malpractice. Something this risky that's never been tried a doctor can't say this is absolutely what the decision we would make. We have to look at is the juice worth the squeeze. And young kids are very quick to bounce back from amputations and prosthetics below the knee don't stop you from running. I spent two years at Walter Reed with the best prosthetic doctors around not to mention I'm missing my entire leg so I have a little bit more information than you I've watched people try to salvage limbs for years before finally giving in and having it cut off the pain the anguish the depression you have no clue.
I'm not an expert, but even if you manage to somehow manage to fix the damage that's been done on his legs, I highly doubt he will ever properly utilize those legs, plus months if not years of pain medication, maybe never being painfree, most sports might be out of the question, the bones might grow wrong and any issues that stay into adulthood will grow worse.
The female doctor was just worried about the boys chance of survival. Shure, he would loose his legs, but he had a far higher chance of keeping his life.
My son had a pediatrician like that female doctor as well. I quickly got rid of her and put her down to never talk to us again. My other doctors for him are awesome.
Kid being concerned for his mom in the beginning was so heart warming. I had a situation like that. I was 17 almost 18 and I was at running practice. Our school was next to a decent neighborhood and we were running past it. My best friend and I were with our running coach and my coach was a few steps ahead of us and a drunk driver who was our age came ripping out. I remember moving as fast as I could and shoving my coach out of the way and the side of the car slammed me so hard when he came to a stop. Our coach was our best friend and a parent of three and was like a parent to us all. The only I remember after waking up was me in the back of an ambulance in serious pain and she stayed with me the entire time and she was thanking me for being able to live for her family and the rest of us. Drunk driver would have killed her if he didn’t stop and if I hadn’t shoved her out of the way. Doctor said I was lucky to be alive and still walking. Even said I was lucky to have just bumps, bruises, scrapes, and a hairline fracture in my pelvis and a small one in my skull. All I did was worry about her and my best friend being ok and not me. Not too many people think like that. I’m still to this day up and running and just had my 21st birthday and I still run into my coach from time to time. We’re both blessed and thank God for every day we have with our friends, family, and getting to run to this day.❤
When he said he wasn’t going to let them amputate the little boys legs, that’s the same idea my docs had when I suffered late stage CRPS in my right foot; except they were wrong. I pleaded 10 years for an amputation, but they insisted the pain would only get worse (not possible when you already want to end your miserable existence just to escape the pain, even though I’d never actually do that … that’s why they call it “The Suicide Disease”, though). Then in August 2019, I took an infection in that same right foot (secondary to sepsis, which I had almost 6 years prior) & it appeared to be moving up my leg … so, they finally amputated in September. Unbelievably, my CRPS was gone the moment they took away that diseased limb & the agony they said I would be in was absolutely laughable (I’ve had menstrual cramps far worse than that). The doctors were stunned by my recovery, as I was back home 3 days later, with regular checks on how the wounds healed. To this day, I’m still amazed at how long clueless doctors kept me in painful limbo, all because they didn’t know enough about CRPS. More & more people with the condition in its later stages have since gotten their amputation surgery & went on to lead normal lives. I’m only getting ready for my prosthetic now, though, due to Covid holding things up for so long. With any luck, I’ll soon be walking for the first time in 13 years… 🙂🏥🦿
I have CRPS in my left arm. I don't think I am in the later stages but they are not really treating me the moment. All I get told is medication is bad and that I need to come off it. Yet I have to use all my tools that are non medication based to just cope with the pain. I have built tolerance to medication but never dependent on the meds and always took the dosage suggested by my doctor. I love how they just lump this pain with other pain and say "well long term pain meds are bad and so you get nothing, even though this condition is excruciating". I am now only on Lyrica and thats all. No pain meds (well paracetamol with ibuprofen and an anti-histamine that can know me out for the night), no anti-inflammatory meds or anything else really. Even CBD oil with additives didn't work. I can cope with it most times but other times I just want something to stop the pain
@@droid88-b56 Yeah, I wish I could say that I’m up & walking, but alas; things are more complicated than that. Because I’ve been immobile for 10 years & my legs have wasted over time, my attempts at using the prosthetic were a huge failure. I left the clinic, only being able to take a few steps with the wheeled zimmer walker … & then I had to stop using the prosthetic, because I was getting too much weakness in my good leg & I knew I was going to have a fall if I continued. I’m sadly now bedridden again, only getting up with my powered wheelchair. My fam have promised to make my life a good one, though & as I’m also awaiting a major court case to be settled (medical negligence for life-threatening errors & life altering consequences), they’ve put a large sum into an account for me to use in the meantime & I only have to ask my mum or sisters when I want something, then they’ll get it for me. Got some new clothes, new supplies for art & craft stuff, as well as a lot of games I’ve been wanting (including a few rare collectible PS1 games that I wasn’t able to get before). I’ve been glued to my Nintendo Switch for a while now, playing “Pokémon Shield”, so I’m still reasonably happy. We’re hoping the court case is settled by my upcoming birthday (May 2024) & perhaps we’ll even get a new place to live that’s more spacious & caters to my disabilities. Anyway, I’ve been told not to worry about it, so I won’t. I’m a little sad that I won’t be able to climb into a rollercoaster, but you just never know what the future holds. Maybe with a few years of recovery & gentle rehab, I’ll be able to wear the prosthetic again. I’m not going to stress about it, though. My mum & sisters have promised to take me on trips (which I’ve insisted that my little chihuahua with PTSD will be coming too) & some plans for those future trips have been discussed. I’ll be alright, with my wonderful fam & our family solicitor sorting all the legal stuff. I’m just glad to be alive. 🥲💖👩🦼
Spider silk is an amazing substance that is theorized to be stronger than steel cables (obviously when on the same thickness of a steel cable) It's a shame it is a nightmare to synthesize
I’m no expert but I’m learning right now, didn’t they put that kid on the spinal board wrong? If he possibly haves a spinal injuries, they need to tip him to one side and slide the board under him, not lift him onto the board, if I’m not mistaken. And I think they did suspect a spinal injury considering they immobilized the neck.
Speed, vs. everyone's safety yoinking the kid out from under a car on a jack that was applied in a hurry that may slip, and a crowd of rescue workers is pretty tricky to film correctly. Immobilizing the neck is a default for extractions, it's easier and safer and helps prevent people from thrashing around. It's been decades since I worked ambulance, but some things seem not to have changed.
So, here's the thing. What is the risk of taking the chance on the spider web surgery as opposed to amputation? The infection? Then, you try the spider web option and if its goes wrong then use amputation as the last resort. Amputation shouldn't be the first go to when there is another option that they can think of.
If you have to amputate, you try to do it as soon as possible so you amputate as little as is necessary. Those bone fragments are going to move and cause other issues the longer you wait. And they didn't have enough spider silk to be ready to do the other thing quickly.
The reality is even if you put the bones back together and don't cause an infection. Chances are the bones wouldn't heal properly. The kid would be stuck to a wheel chair for the rest of his life till he chose to amputate. Also with being in horrific pain the entire time. With a much longer recovery time from the amputation that he put off.
@@nathaniels9141 to be fair there are some case studies that patients had time to come to terms with their limbs needing to be amputated so having the limb attached for a couple of days could help with phantom limb and helps them adjust to a life without that limb. As suddenly not having a certain body part to a very jarring experience.
I don’t want anyone to think this is how we would actually work this. As far as I’m aware, spider silk isn’t tested for something like this. Also that fracture is so incredibly bad that I’m shocked he didn’t die within 6 hours. He’s not walking again and he isn’t keeping his legs. And 0% he could wiggle his toes after that
I love how the boy immediately asked about his mum to make sure she was okay before he even not at himself. He’s so precious and so kind to think about his mum!
I think they are both at fault. The woman is somewhat dismissive of at least better exploring the option to keep the legs with the patient and her comment was uninformed at best. She should have given more consideration to the possibility of avoiding amputation. However, from a purely practical standpoint, she did have the better option in terms of risk vs outcome. (Saying this as a student of health sciences) The male doctor was assuming prejudice on her part and, therefore, was being unnecessarily critical of her analysis. He has difficulty being objective toward his college's suggestion of amputation due to his ethnic connection to the patient and her uninformed comment. However, he is expanding the options with his creativity which does drive healthcare into new realms: a good thing. They should have been professional, carefully explaining the risks and benefits of both in a neutral manner without hijacking the conversation. With both there would likely be no guarantee of removing pain-- nerve damage would occur regardless of the choice and could cause chronic issues-- there is a risk of losing functionality in the legs if they are kept, risk of infection for both, but increasingly higher with more internal manipulation (infection could easily lead to gangrene or septic shock which would threaten his life and be cause for amputation). The male needs to be gracious towards his college's valid, though misguided, frustration and not let defensiveness or even counter-prejudice against perceived prejudice influence his decisions. Likewise, the woman needs to be more careful with her words at best, worst, or put aside her prejudice, at worst, and be as objective as possible in her decisions.
Amputation, at that point, would also have been much cheaper and faster for the hospital. Hospital budgets are not bottomless, and surgical theater time is not endless nor are the hours of available surgeons. Triage, using resources to treat the most people effectively, is a thing.
I feel so sorry for that boy, when I saw the x-ray and saw Clay's neighborhood my heart broke, I even almost cried, and I've never heard of spider silk screws until now it's amazing doctor's invented these to help keep bone's together but they dissolve after a while and the bones are healed and the nerves stay together
It's been tried, but hasn't caught on. I'm not sure why, whether it's not yet strong enough or still way, way too expensive, or there is some compatibility problem, or what.
Resource-allocation, that and human incapability with patience. Spider farms are a thing and very profitable in both silks and meats but is focused purely on long-time profits which is an uncanny concept to mortal men. That kid would literally be much better if the hospital board weren't possessed by their troubled childhoods.
My mother told me a story when I was probably 4-5 about them having to use a spider web in a tough scenario on one of her siblings ( I can't remember, it was 11 of them total) when they were kids and playing one was cut real bad. This was 1989-1990,when she told me this and I was just as fascinated then! I'm shocked to see this it took me back to her telling me about it and I'm like an actual spider web? She was like yep! Now, to see it and it's amazing.
One of my most FAVORITE critters in the world! Ironically, I made up a treatment involving a fantasy spider for a story that allows the body to absorb it as an energy source while the injuries healed! This is awesome when I see it in this! ^^ BTW, the way this pediatrician, NOT a doctor, goes on and on about prosthetics like it's EASY to chop off your own legs and replace them with metal contraptions! She's a chatacter who needs to pull her head out of her ass and grow up! New Medical treatments are popping up every day, and it takes a slecial kind of person to think outside of the box and maske it happen!
The actual cost of the screws, all the costs related to complication, and all the costs related to this 1 in 1000 chance literally would cost tens of thousands more than prosthetics. These medical dramas are just getting wayyyy too focused on the drama.
The council who owns that city should make a grass verse or a park in that area where the doctor showed in his neighborhood but not being horrible or anything but the mother should of made a plan to take the kid to a park that's close by to play with his friend. But tbh i think it's the council's fault for this one, they decide to create buildings instead of creating parks or play areas for kids to play around.
probably would amputate, the doctor got his feelings on the way which is absolutely dangerous and can lead to malpractice, but this show's writers managed to turn it to a race problem
Amputation would be best in my opinion. His bones may fuse abnormally and he could have chronic pain for the rest of his life. He’s also much more likely be able to run again in prosthetics than his legs like this.
I ACTUALLY USE THESE WHEN I GET A CUT. IF U PUT A WEB ON IT, THE WOUND WILL CLOSE UP IN 2 DAYS. I WAS TAUGHT THAT FROM MY PARENTS WHO WAS TAUGHT THAT FROM THEIR PARENTS AND GREAT GRAND PARENTS.
Spider silk is made up of chemicals, one if which is the same thing that clots our blood. I'm a nurse, and got into a discussion with a surgeon (1980s) about this. He was surprised I knew about that effect. Told him I watched my dad walk up to web in the woods a grabbed a handful to STOP a bleeder from a fishing cut. I was 8 yo,and never forgot it, used it a couple times, too.
Woah that's actually so cool! (Especially as someone who is working to become a chemistry major) My family uses Manuka honey, it helps things heal faster too! I wonder what would happen if you used both of them together if it would like combine the two different healing types?
@@madelyn1233 WELL UR THE CHEMISTRY MAJOR. TRY IT AND SEE IF U CAN COME UP WITH UR VERY OWN NEW HEALING POWER.. I USE LIKE THE WEBS THAT BE OLD NOT NEW. THE OLD WEBS WORKS A LOT BETTER.
If the mom thought he was climbing up the walls before, just wait till he stands too close to a microwave while making popcorn. Wait, is this how Miles Morales got his powers?!
I was hysterical when I heard the kid say "its ok mom, don't worry everything is ok!"😖 In pain 🤕as he was put in the truck...he didn't care about the physical pain he was in, he cared about the mentalp ain his mom was in💗
this hospital it like star trek level advanced. 99% of normal hospitals barely have bandages and this place has artificial wombs , spider factories, advanced gene labs. its nuts
I don't understand why they needed screws. i thought the screws were suppose to hold in a plate to keep the legs straight. drilling into a leg thats already shattered just makes it worst? i was thinking of sewing the bones back together. but they would need to cut open the leg almost completely. since silk is stronger that steel but more flexible why didn't they just sew the bones to connect them. they only have to make a small hole compared to the large screws he showed them.
Those legs are smooshed. They'd have to open up the leg to apply the plates anyway, and plates in growing bone can distort their growth. They can also require removal years later. I still have mine from 35 years ago,, but the screws heads have worked their way out a bit. Not quite enough to need surgical removal, but enough to be cautious about them.
To think London would go from billionaire kid to chief biomedical engineer at a hospital. Meanwhile, Bailey got hired as a nanny before becoming an actress. Man, these girls went far after graduating from that cruise ship.
Idk, it's pretty obvious he's projecting a lot. Her medical recommendation had nothing to do with race. I think the male doctor is the one struggling to be objective. I'd argue it's more unethical to be glossing over the options with mom. The male doctor is basically trying to ensure she's not informed of all her options because he thinks she might take the less controversial medical option of amputation. Manipulating her is worse than a flippant comment by the female doctor.
It’s always worth the risk to try what exactly going to happen he loses his legs anyway and the problem was partly with the comment more to do with her lack of compassions and disregard or their situation.
You could very well argue that her approach is more coming from a place of dismissiveness. The easiest thing is amputation, so that's what she wants to do. And why go through the trouble of saving the boy's legs if his careless, lackluster mother is just gonna put him in harm's way again anyway? The lack of sympathy and the lack of motivation to give the boy more options is telling
No but seriously. What happens after the surgery? His pain would be out of control. His legs would be saved, but would their functionality, would his pain? I get that the female doctor’s statements aren’t right either, but neither are the other doctor’s.
@@monmon-vk8rz It's not about effort because amputation is not easy. They don't just pop them off, it's a long surgical procedure. Also the boy would need to be fitted for custom prosthetics which is an incredibly time consuming endeavor. Outside of a tv show, there's no way an ethics board would approve an experimental procedure on a kid like this when at best he'll only have partial functionality of his legs. (Also insurance wouldn't cover costs for experimental procedures.)
She wanted to know which hospital, nothing crazy about wanting to know which hospital your loved one is being taken to. Duh! You're not very smart, are you? 😢
That's what I love about my country Germany, we might have pathetic politicians, but we have playgrounds in every district, no matter how poor. And not just like a sandbox, German playgrounds are one of the best playgrounds worldwide
I use to live in a neighborhood that had no parks and had locks all over the school because the schools were having a high risk of robberies and school shootings it got to the point where they had to have security cameras and too check people's bags and the neighbors were the worst there were so many robbed people and kids were constantly getting hit by cars or almost or getting shot due to the high crime rate that part where he said that there were schools were padlock or parks really touched 😭😭😭😭😭
See something I've always wondered, of someones bones were shot like that, but averything else was fine... I mean people get hip replacesments and stuff, so with all the kinds of modernt materials and compersite materials why not make a replacement bone inside the orginal leg.
man back when I was a kid even growing up in a green country like NZ we still played on the street. Didn't need speed bumps or zones or anything like that, we just paid attention and got out the way when someone called out "car!" then get back to playing when they had passed.
I know this is a fictional show haha. But I’ll be damned if I don’t feel bad for the pain the functional kid will experience as an adult if he keeps those busted legs haha.
Spiders are essential to the world. They kill bugs so you don’t have to. Spiders won’t bite unless you bother them. So maybe think twice before you squish that spider.
That’s wild. The kid didn’t care about him he quite literally made sure his mom was okay first. What a legend
From the beginning, that kid's concern was making sure his mom was ok 😭❤️ they better get him that pizza
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Relax, it’s a film my friend.
@@FemboyEngineer yu missed the joke
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Arachnids are amazing creatures that definitely don’t get the respect and admiration they deserve. Which is why I worked to over come my fear and now own two beautiful tarantulas. One day I will have a third and several jumping spiders.
That doctor pointing out the reality of the neighborhood and the fact that families are doing the best they can with what they have really hit the feels.
spider man makes spidere's popular doesn't he
@@trivonnereid8877 I feel the same. I used to be horrified of most insects; now I’m getting out of the dogs’ water bowls and stuff all the time. Last week I got a bee out of my bird’s water bowl when he was outside. I mixed up sugar water and put some near her and kept an eye out while she was drying off…..
@@trivonnereid8877 ?? I actually started with jumping spiders they are adorable. I don’t relate real spiders with him, lol
I don't like spiders so no thanks
@@downhomesunset dogs are not insects etc
I feel like if you're promising your patients mum you can fix him with spider silk that you'd want to make sure you actually had enough silk to use BEFORE you started operating.
It's pretty against the rules to promise _anything_ when it comes to the hospital. Comfort a patient as best you can, but you cannot promise things will be fine, cause they could not go the right way
@@justlikerunningabicycle3783 Yeah that is something every hospital show fail on. They constantly promise things so that if something do happen to go wrong it gives the parents and patients something to yell about.
It’s a hard thing to measure, and it’s so fine that you can’t even imagine how much web it actually takes to do this stuff (source: I watched a youtuber make a spider web guitar string)
Writers: How fake do want this episode
Director: yes
There is another problem with bones fractured this much.
In the military they often have to amputate not bc they couldnt fix the legs
but bc of abnormal very painful growths.
my aunt was in AF and jumped out a plane and her parachute malfunctioned n broke both legs. she’s had over 50 surgeries bc she didn’t want to amputate them. so sad to see her in pain often
its a tv show
"Where's the kid supposed to play"... that needs to be addressed
Play inside the appartment.
@@rasmusdrongesen7043 Are you saying he can't get hurt playing in an apartment that's not what a kid needs you are missing the point of why he was showing her the map.
@@rasmusdrongesen7043 a kid can’t just play around the apartment, they need to be outside and have fun. Their children and his mother even said he’s the type to want to be outside everyday. So that wouldn’t be a solution.
@@rasmusdrongesen7043 riiiight. play basketball inside, thats a great idea /s
@@tieflingcorpse9817 yep if you want new furniture etc. Btw that was sarcasm
That lady doctor just wants to be right. I encountered a couple of pediatricians when I was a kid who wanted always to be correct, because kids can't argue on the same level as the adults. But the guy doctor is exactly the type of pediatrician that my main practitioner was when I was kid, he would listened to everything I said, he made sure all conclusions and methods were considered before coming to my mother and me and giving us the options, and made sure we understood our options. As a doctor, you don't just make sure your patient lives, but you make sure your patient thrives as well. The "common" and "easy" solution is not always the RIGHT one.
well it's a risk vs reward curve... if the risk is him living possibly a very uncomfortable life vs a life without legs but still being able to utilise the ability to run and walk. I think the later is clearly better....
In a TV the outcome is always good, but it might not work out always
No this is what we call medical malpractice. Something this risky that's never been tried a doctor can't say this is absolutely what the decision we would make. We have to look at is the juice worth the squeeze. And young kids are very quick to bounce back from amputations and prosthetics below the knee don't stop you from running. I spent two years at Walter Reed with the best prosthetic doctors around not to mention I'm missing my entire leg so I have a little bit more information than you I've watched people try to salvage limbs for years before finally giving in and having it cut off the pain the anguish the depression you have no clue.
I'm not an expert, but even if you manage to somehow manage to fix the damage that's been done on his legs, I highly doubt he will ever properly utilize those legs, plus months if not years of pain medication, maybe never being painfree, most sports might be out of the question, the bones might grow wrong and any issues that stay into adulthood will grow worse.
The female doctor was just worried about the boys chance of survival. Shure, he would loose his legs, but he had a far higher chance of keeping his life.
My son had a pediatrician like that female doctor as well. I quickly got rid of her and put her down to never talk to us again. My other doctors for him are awesome.
Kid being concerned for his mom in the beginning was so heart warming. I had a situation like that. I was 17 almost 18 and I was at running practice. Our school was next to a decent neighborhood and we were running past it. My best friend and I were with our running coach and my coach was a few steps ahead of us and a drunk driver who was our age came ripping out. I remember moving as fast as I could and shoving my coach out of the way and the side of the car slammed me so hard when he came to a stop. Our coach was our best friend and a parent of three and was like a parent to us all. The only I remember after waking up was me in the back of an ambulance in serious pain and she stayed with me the entire time and she was thanking me for being able to live for her family and the rest of us. Drunk driver would have killed her if he didn’t stop and if I hadn’t shoved her out of the way. Doctor said I was lucky to be alive and still walking. Even said I was lucky to have just bumps, bruises, scrapes, and a hairline fracture in my pelvis and a small one in my skull. All I did was worry about her and my best friend being ok and not me. Not too many people think like that. I’m still to this day up and running and just had my 21st birthday and I still run into my coach from time to time. We’re both blessed and thank God for every day we have with our friends, family, and getting to run to this day.❤
When he said he wasn’t going to let them amputate the little boys legs, that’s the same idea my docs had when I suffered late stage CRPS in my right foot; except they were wrong. I pleaded 10 years for an amputation, but they insisted the pain would only get worse (not possible when you already want to end your miserable existence just to escape the pain, even though I’d never actually do that … that’s why they call it “The Suicide Disease”, though). Then in August 2019, I took an infection in that same right foot (secondary to sepsis, which I had almost 6 years prior) & it appeared to be moving up my leg … so, they finally amputated in September. Unbelievably, my CRPS was gone the moment they took away that diseased limb & the agony they said I would be in was absolutely laughable (I’ve had menstrual cramps far worse than that). The doctors were stunned by my recovery, as I was back home 3 days later, with regular checks on how the wounds healed. To this day, I’m still amazed at how long clueless doctors kept me in painful limbo, all because they didn’t know enough about CRPS. More & more people with the condition in its later stages have since gotten their amputation surgery & went on to lead normal lives. I’m only getting ready for my prosthetic now, though, due to Covid holding things up for so long. With any luck, I’ll soon be walking for the first time in 13 years… 🙂🏥🦿
Awesome success story, I hope the prosthetics go well!
I have CRPS in my left arm. I don't think I am in the later stages but they are not really treating me the moment. All I get told is medication is bad and that I need to come off it. Yet I have to use all my tools that are non medication based to just cope with the pain. I have built tolerance to medication but never dependent on the meds and always took the dosage suggested by my doctor. I love how they just lump this pain with other pain and say "well long term pain meds are bad and so you get nothing, even though this condition is excruciating". I am now only on Lyrica and thats all. No pain meds (well paracetamol with ibuprofen and an anti-histamine that can know me out for the night), no anti-inflammatory meds or anything else really. Even CBD oil with additives didn't work. I can cope with it most times but other times I just want something to stop the pain
Apparently osseointegration is the most comfortable type of prosthetic
I hope you are doing well now, a year later!
@@droid88-b56 Yeah, I wish I could say that I’m up & walking, but alas; things are more complicated than that. Because I’ve been immobile for 10 years & my legs have wasted over time, my attempts at using the prosthetic were a huge failure. I left the clinic, only being able to take a few steps with the wheeled zimmer walker … & then I had to stop using the prosthetic, because I was getting too much weakness in my good leg & I knew I was going to have a fall if I continued. I’m sadly now bedridden again, only getting up with my powered wheelchair. My fam have promised to make my life a good one, though & as I’m also awaiting a major court case to be settled (medical negligence for life-threatening errors & life altering consequences), they’ve put a large sum into an account for me to use in the meantime & I only have to ask my mum or sisters when I want something, then they’ll get it for me. Got some new clothes, new supplies for art & craft stuff, as well as a lot of games I’ve been wanting (including a few rare collectible PS1 games that I wasn’t able to get before). I’ve been glued to my Nintendo Switch for a while now, playing “Pokémon Shield”, so I’m still reasonably happy. We’re hoping the court case is settled by my upcoming birthday (May 2024) & perhaps we’ll even get a new place to live that’s more spacious & caters to my disabilities. Anyway, I’ve been told not to worry about it, so I won’t. I’m a little sad that I won’t be able to climb into a rollercoaster, but you just never know what the future holds. Maybe with a few years of recovery & gentle rehab, I’ll be able to wear the prosthetic again. I’m not going to stress about it, though. My mum & sisters have promised to take me on trips (which I’ve insisted that my little chihuahua with PTSD will be coming too) & some plans for those future trips have been discussed. I’ll be alright, with my wonderful fam & our family solicitor sorting all the legal stuff. I’m just glad to be alive. 🥲💖👩🦼
It will always amaze me on just how great spider silk can be used for medical practice
its a tv show
Spider silk is an amazing substance that is theorized to be stronger than steel cables (obviously when on the same thickness of a steel cable)
It's a shame it is a nightmare to synthesize
I’m no expert but I’m learning right now, didn’t they put that kid on the spinal board wrong? If he possibly haves a spinal injuries, they need to tip him to one side and slide the board under him, not lift him onto the board, if I’m not mistaken. And I think they did suspect a spinal injury considering they immobilized the neck.
Speed, vs. everyone's safety yoinking the kid out from under a car on a jack that was applied in a hurry that may slip, and a crowd of rescue workers is pretty tricky to film correctly. Immobilizing the neck is a default for extractions, it's easier and safer and helps prevent people from thrashing around. It's been decades since I worked ambulance, but some things seem not to have changed.
It is best practice to log roll a patient who’s on spinal precautions onto a board
Spinal boards can also used for short transport if a patient isn't ambulatory
its a tv show
This is tv people please shut up so what you know something
Poor boy he was so good too his mum 😭❤️ and he was so good and brave
London Tipton once again helps to save the day😌
Yey London Tipton what she use to say yey me London Tipton 😩👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Ikr😭
I love this kid he dont want his mom to worry he is brave
This kid is a great actor, im crying for him
I am not
IS THAT LONDON TIPTONNNNNN
YES! Brenda Song!
I am uncultured, but is that the one and only Brenda Song?!
I saw her to!
It is!!! I was so surprised
So, here's the thing. What is the risk of taking the chance on the spider web surgery as opposed to amputation? The infection? Then, you try the spider web option and if its goes wrong then use amputation as the last resort. Amputation shouldn't be the first go to when there is another option that they can think of.
If you have to amputate, you try to do it as soon as possible so you amputate as little as is necessary. Those bone fragments are going to move and cause other issues the longer you wait.
And they didn't have enough spider silk to be ready to do the other thing quickly.
The reality is even if you put the bones back together and don't cause an infection. Chances are the bones wouldn't heal properly. The kid would be stuck to a wheel chair for the rest of his life till he chose to amputate. Also with being in horrific pain the entire time. With a much longer recovery time from the amputation that he put off.
@@nathaniels9141 to be fair there are some case studies that patients had time to come to terms with their limbs needing to be amputated so having the limb attached for a couple of days could help with phantom limb and helps them adjust to a life without that limb. As suddenly not having a certain body part to a very jarring experience.
an infection in cases like this can spread into the blood and kill him. The risk is death.
its a tv show
I don’t want anyone to think this is how we would actually work this. As far as I’m aware, spider silk isn’t tested for something like this. Also that fracture is so incredibly bad that I’m shocked he didn’t die within 6 hours. He’s not walking again and he isn’t keeping his legs. And 0% he could wiggle his toes after that
Thankfully this show isn't meant to be realistic.
I love how the boy immediately asked about his mum to make sure she was okay before he even not at himself. He’s so precious and so kind to think about his mum!
Someone get this poor child some pizza
I think they are both at fault. The woman is somewhat dismissive of at least better exploring the option to keep the legs with the patient and her comment was uninformed at best. She should have given more consideration to the possibility of avoiding amputation. However, from a purely practical standpoint, she did have the better option in terms of risk vs outcome. (Saying this as a student of health sciences) The male doctor was assuming prejudice on her part and, therefore, was being unnecessarily critical of her analysis. He has difficulty being objective toward his college's suggestion of amputation due to his ethnic connection to the patient and her uninformed comment. However, he is expanding the options with his creativity which does drive healthcare into new realms: a good thing. They should have been professional, carefully explaining the risks and benefits of both in a neutral manner without hijacking the conversation. With both there would likely be no guarantee of removing pain-- nerve damage would occur regardless of the choice and could cause chronic issues-- there is a risk of losing functionality in the legs if they are kept, risk of infection for both, but increasingly higher with more internal manipulation (infection could easily lead to gangrene or septic shock which would threaten his life and be cause for amputation). The male needs to be gracious towards his college's valid, though misguided, frustration and not let defensiveness or even counter-prejudice against perceived prejudice influence his decisions. Likewise, the woman needs to be more careful with her words at best, worst, or put aside her prejudice, at worst, and be as objective as possible in her decisions.
Amputation, at that point, would also have been much cheaper and faster for the hospital. Hospital budgets are not bottomless, and surgical theater time is not endless nor are the hours of available surgeons. Triage, using resources to treat the most people effectively, is a thing.
I feel so sorry for that boy, when I saw the x-ray and saw Clay's neighborhood my heart broke, I even almost cried, and I've never heard of spider silk screws until now it's amazing doctor's invented these to help keep bone's together but they dissolve after a while and the bones are healed and the nerves stay together
its a tv show
@@aliceramdom.s I know it's a TV show but that doesn't mean I can't feel sorry for that boy
@@desertpack9580I think they meant about the spider silk screws. It's a partially sci-fi medical show
A busy street? every street is busy that was an stupid remark and common! Also he was right the black community does get second rate treatment!
He'd be in shock, the adrenaline would be flowing, and he wouldn't feel the pain.
Those two spiders shouldn't be in the same cage together.
For real, is it possible to use spider silk on damaged bones let alone in that scale? Fake or not I'm fascinated
the issue would be getting enough spider web but it should be possible. and also one would have to exactly calculate the decay rate of the web itself
It's been tried, but hasn't caught on. I'm not sure why, whether it's not yet strong enough or still way, way too expensive, or there is some compatibility problem, or what.
Resource-allocation, that and human incapability with patience. Spider farms are a thing and very profitable in both silks and meats but is focused purely on long-time profits which is an uncanny concept to mortal men. That kid would literally be much better if the hospital board weren't possessed by their troubled childhoods.
My mother told me a story when I was probably 4-5 about them having to use a spider web in a tough scenario on one of her siblings ( I can't remember, it was 11 of them total) when they were kids and playing one was cut real bad. This was 1989-1990,when she told me this and I was just as fascinated then! I'm shocked to see this it took me back to her telling me about it and I'm like an actual spider web? She was like yep! Now, to see it and it's amazing.
This show, is exactly that, a show
One of my most FAVORITE critters in the world! Ironically, I made up a treatment involving a fantasy spider for a story that allows the body to absorb it as an energy source while the injuries healed! This is awesome when I see it in this! ^^
BTW, the way this pediatrician, NOT a doctor, goes on and on about prosthetics like it's EASY to chop off your own legs and replace them with metal contraptions! She's a chatacter who needs to pull her head out of her ass and grow up! New Medical treatments are popping up every day, and it takes a slecial kind of person to think outside of the box and maske it happen!
A pediatrician is a doctor that specializes in treating children.
right but its a tv show and not real
"Saving a Life Using Spider-Webs"
*🎶Spiderman, Spiderman...🎶*
7:36 - 7:43 is when the spider is in view for anyone also uncomfy w spooders
The actual cost of the screws, all the costs related to complication, and all the costs related to this 1 in 1000 chance literally would cost tens of thousands more than prosthetics. These medical dramas are just getting wayyyy too focused on the drama.
Never get ins to approve it
NEVA
@@YeshuaKingMessiah If the insurance had to pay the lifetime disability payments instead they would.
The council who owns that city should make a grass verse or a park in that area where the doctor showed in his neighborhood but not being horrible or anything but the mother should of made a plan to take the kid to a park that's close by to play with his friend. But tbh i think it's the council's fault for this one, they decide to create buildings instead of creating parks or play areas for kids to play around.
Hey has Dr. Mike reacted to this? I’d be curious to see what he thinks of the decision to not amputate and what the best course of treatment is irl
he didn't react to this yet
probably would amputate, the doctor got his feelings on the way which is absolutely dangerous and can lead to malpractice, but this show's writers managed to turn it to a race problem
Prolly hasn't seen it yet we autta bug him for it
He would veto it
He’s straight AMA
You saw those bones broken to shards.... Cut off.
Amputation would be best in my opinion. His bones may fuse abnormally and he could have chronic pain for the rest of his life. He’s also much more likely be able to run again in prosthetics than his legs like this.
I ACTUALLY USE THESE WHEN I GET A CUT. IF U PUT A WEB ON IT, THE WOUND WILL CLOSE UP IN 2 DAYS. I WAS TAUGHT THAT FROM MY PARENTS WHO WAS TAUGHT THAT FROM THEIR PARENTS AND GREAT GRAND PARENTS.
Spider silk is made up of chemicals, one if which is the same thing that clots our blood. I'm a nurse, and got into a discussion with a surgeon (1980s) about this. He was surprised I knew about that effect. Told him I watched my dad walk up to web in the woods a grabbed a handful to STOP a bleeder from a fishing cut. I was 8 yo,and never forgot it, used it a couple times, too.
@@kathimorrical9912 YES. THEY WORK PRETTY GOOD.
Woah that's actually so cool! (Especially as someone who is working to become a chemistry major) My family uses Manuka honey, it helps things heal faster too! I wonder what would happen if you used both of them together if it would like combine the two different healing types?
@@madelyn1233 WELL UR THE CHEMISTRY MAJOR. TRY IT AND SEE IF U CAN COME UP WITH UR VERY OWN NEW HEALING POWER.. I USE LIKE THE WEBS THAT BE OLD NOT NEW. THE OLD WEBS WORKS A LOT BETTER.
@@pecanbrown04l40 ARE YOU SCREAMING?
If the mom thought he was climbing up the walls before, just wait till he stands too close to a microwave while making popcorn.
Wait, is this how Miles Morales got his powers?!
they're gonn start calling that kid web legs bruh 😭
"I'm going to risk the kids life because I have an affinity for walking" said every doctor ever
BRENDA SONG!!😍😍💕
Looks like Odette Annabel couldn’t get away from playing doctors. Like her time as Adams on House.
Lol, i was about to say
That’s wat she looks familiar
this kid fancast himself as spiderman and I love it
I was hysterical when I heard the kid say "its ok mom, don't worry everything is ok!"😖 In pain 🤕as he was put in the truck...he didn't care about the physical pain he was in, he cared about the mentalp ain his mom was in💗
I remember this chick from house season 8
the other one who suggested using e coli is also on royal pains alot of similar actors on todays clip
Yeah
Odette Annabelle who played Adams
Bro that was so intense
this hospital it like star trek level advanced. 99% of normal hospitals barely have bandages and this place has artificial wombs , spider factories, advanced gene labs. its nuts
Olivia and Pinocchio are best friends forever and ever
I don't understand why they needed screws. i thought the screws were suppose to hold in a plate to keep the legs straight. drilling into a leg thats already shattered just makes it worst? i was thinking of sewing the bones back together. but they would need to cut open the leg almost completely. since silk is stronger that steel but more flexible why didn't they just sew the bones to connect them. they only have to make a small hole compared to the large screws he showed them.
Those legs are smooshed. They'd have to open up the leg to apply the plates anyway, and plates in growing bone can distort their growth. They can also require removal years later. I still have mine from 35 years ago,, but the screws heads have worked their way out a bit. Not quite enough to need surgical removal, but enough to be cautious about them.
@@pullybungieharder cool thanks for sharing.
That's still sci-fi where medical systems can show 3D renderings of a patient on a screen. AND what is that green lattice in the background 😅
The kid is concerned more about his mom than him. the way he would rather spend his energy to ask if his mom was alright
To think London would go from billionaire kid to chief biomedical engineer at a hospital. Meanwhile, Bailey got hired as a nanny before becoming an actress. Man, these girls went far after graduating from that cruise ship.
Whys the thumbnail a intubated kid being fed a tarantula
Damn now i feel bad for killing all those spiders.
Never seen this show before but that female doctor got on my nerves so bad lmao
Idk, it's pretty obvious he's projecting a lot. Her medical recommendation had nothing to do with race. I think the male doctor is the one struggling to be objective. I'd argue it's more unethical to be glossing over the options with mom. The male doctor is basically trying to ensure she's not informed of all her options because he thinks she might take the less controversial medical option of amputation. Manipulating her is worse than a flippant comment by the female doctor.
It’s always worth the risk to try what exactly going to happen he loses his legs anyway and the problem was partly with the comment more to do with her lack of compassions and disregard or their situation.
You could very well argue that her approach is more coming from a place of dismissiveness. The easiest thing is amputation, so that's what she wants to do. And why go through the trouble of saving the boy's legs if his careless, lackluster mother is just gonna put him in harm's way again anyway? The lack of sympathy and the lack of motivation to give the boy more options is telling
No but seriously. What happens after the surgery? His pain would be out of control. His legs would be saved, but would their functionality, would his pain? I get that the female doctor’s statements aren’t right either, but neither are the other doctor’s.
I don't think she was wrong to tell the mother. It's her job to inform her of all the options so she could make an informed decision.
@@monmon-vk8rz It's not about effort because amputation is not easy. They don't just pop them off, it's a long surgical procedure. Also the boy would need to be fitted for custom prosthetics which is an incredibly time consuming endeavor. Outside of a tv show, there's no way an ethics board would approve an experimental procedure on a kid like this when at best he'll only have partial functionality of his legs. (Also insurance wouldn't cover costs for experimental procedures.)
body armors using spidersilk have prepared my reaction for this.
Spiders on stairoids, webs used in leg surgery, growing silk in a dish from Ecoli lol I really like this show this is my first time ever seeing it.
They should of named him miles
What a brave kid
The most crazy thing I hear on this episode: where you taking him.
Like girl are you blind can't u see it's an ambulance??
She wanted to know which hospital, nothing crazy about wanting to know which hospital your loved one is being taken to. Duh! You're not very smart, are you? 😢
That's what I love about my country Germany, we might have pathetic politicians, but we have playgrounds in every district, no matter how poor. And not just like a sandbox, German playgrounds are one of the best playgrounds worldwide
funfact: we build playgrounds with a touch of extra danger, so kids will learn more, faster
I would die if I seen them spiders on me
The wrist band on the mother is an Amazon wrist band that monitors the blood pressure and heart rate
This is hysterical 😂 spider webbing in his legs?! Give me a fucking break
well it's possible in real life.
You know this is becoming possible in real life right?
😂😂😂😂😂
I use to live in a neighborhood that had no parks and had locks all over the school because the schools were having a high risk of robberies and school shootings it got to the point where they had to have security cameras and too check people's bags and the neighbors were the worst there were so many robbed people and kids were constantly getting hit by cars or almost or getting shot due to the high crime rate that part where he said that there were schools were padlock or parks really touched 😭😭😭😭😭
Best short films ever keep up the work
this screams budget House M.D
"Yeah, you could get prosthetics... what about we put spiderwebs into your bones tho?"
DAMM IT GET THE BOY PIZZA HE LITERALLY DIDN'T EVEN CRY TvT
"You're saying there's a way to grow silk in a petri dish?" yes and it has been done so many times before.
I'm seeing a lot of future tech here
"where is a kid supposed to play" oh he ate with that line
This is how miles morales became spider man in the spiderverse
"Where are you taking him?!"
Well they're loading him into an ambulance so.... Disney Land?
See something I've always wondered, of someones bones were shot like that, but averything else was fine... I mean people get hip replacesments and stuff, so with all the kinds of modernt materials and compersite materials why not make a replacement bone inside the orginal leg.
That was insane when they were doing the surgery I was like omg I can't watch!
he worries about his mom so much 😭♥
man it's so convientient they were experimenting with spider silk that day
and not the neural-brain-eye vision-reviving computer from last week
i really thought he was gon ask "wheres my leg?" XDDD
The boy is like "Where's my pizza" on the verge of death, kind of find that part funny not gonna lie
The lawsuit for failure would put all these docs off the AMA, the APA. He’d have solid gold prosthetics 😂
"where are you taking him"💀"gonna take him to get ice cream so he stops crying".🤓
Who knew an arachnid on steroids can save a life.
The mom looking at the doctor like you really think I'm gonna cut my kids legs off if there might be a way to save them
"Where's my pizza?"
I died laughing😂
man back when I was a kid even growing up in a green country like NZ we still played on the street. Didn't need speed bumps or zones or anything like that, we just paid attention and got out the way when someone called out "car!" then get back to playing when they had passed.
Same but I’ll be lying if I say no one ever got hit or almost hit by a car. Times were different
Those poor spiders are so stressed like get that tarantula off the wall of its enclosure if it falls it's dead.
bro this is such advanced technology, also this isn't even medical stuff it's more like science bro..
I love how the second the doctor said something to him he said some “where’s my pizza” with a attitude too 💀
Same
I know this is a fictional show haha. But I’ll be damned if I don’t feel bad for the pain the functional kid will experience as an adult if he keeps those busted legs haha.
What show is this from because it looks very good
6:21 there no green, where else are kids going to play
Me: that a good point
6:15 ... Inside? So you're telling me that a experimental treatment with spider webs are cheaper than videogame console?
Bro that kid whats woried for his mom
I hate it when they don’t show ending LOL!!
Spiders are essential to the world. They kill bugs so you don’t have to. Spiders won’t bite unless you bother them. So maybe think twice before you squish that spider.
Not all spiders won't bite. Some do, feeling threatened.
That kid is such a fucking trooper! Scews made of spider silk?! Who thinks of that!!! That is so cool!!!
Doctor Mike should see this!
Does anyone know which episode this is?! I can’t find it anywhere!
*I freakin love spiders so dam much!!* 💖
What paramedic would say that right in front of the kid and his mom? Also, how could you possibly know that without so much as a damn x-ray?